Netflix Did it Again! Was Hannibal Barca Black?
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Netflix is back at it once again with their politically motivated race swapping of historical characters.
Link to my video on the Carthaginians
• Who Were The Carthagin...
So where do the people who present this “truth” of hannibal Barca being black get this idea, what do they base it on? Archaeologically.
All of this stems from one specific finding, This coin. So let's talk about this coin.
What you'll notice is that the people who push this coin as a true representation of Hannibal Barca never tell you where the coin comes from, who made it, what period is from, what the historical context was when it was made. What proof they have that it indeed represents Hannibal's true features, as opposed to what we usually imagine.
Check it. They tell you nothing of this coin's origins, material, constituents, weight. I'll tell you everything there is to know about it, including the weigh, which you'll see is an actually very important aspect to consider, when we try to uncover the real history and truth about this coin.
This coin dates to the Roman era. On the surface of this coin we see the image of an elephant with a golden bell on one side, and the face of what clearly is a black African man on the other.
The coin is usually presented as a Punic coiniage, which would allegedly show the real face of Hannibal. This is pure baseless speculation. The coin is NOT of punic origin at all, as we'll see.
The reality is that this specific coin, of which we have several samples by the way, is not Punic, and most likely does not represent Hannibal Barca. So who does it represent then?
One thing at a time.
This is an Etruscan mint. Also it might not have anything to do with the second punic war either. That's still under debate. I have a lot of interesting information to share today, so make sure to watch until the end, we'll explore several theories and discuss the pros and cons of such theories, you won't regret it I promise.
Let me show you then how I support the claim that the coin is Etruscan. If you disagree with me I'll respect it, it's your right, but at least hear me out and let me present the evidence first.
3 - An Etruscan Coiniage
As we always do the way to validate any historical statement is to cross reference it with other media. Let's start at the literary mentions of the coin. The first reference to this specific coin with the head of a black gentleman with an elephant is in a letter written by the erudite Reginaldo Sellari, dated to the second half of the 8th century. In this letter the place of the original finding is indicated, Here in Italy, in la Val di Chiana, specifically in the fraction between the regions of Umbria and Toscana including the towns of Arezzo, Chiusi, Cortona and lake Trasimeno.
If by the end of the 1700 the numismatist (that's someone who studies coins) Joseph Eckel in his Doctrina numerorum veterum, had generally mentioned, without being fully convinced, that according to some the coiniage were of Punic origin, already “Sellari” had correctly attributed the origin of these coins to the Etruscans. That's thanks to the following letters, written on the coin, in the Etruscan alphabet v,c,m and ś, which appear sometimes under the elephant's stomach. These were initially interpreted as the initials of several hypothetical urban centres, although they are probably just the initials of the makers or their workshop.
The coins, of which today about 40 specimens are known, are made of bronze, and weigh about 5 and a half grams each. The style is homogenous, and even though usually differences in printing may be an indication of different mints, the issuing centre was one.
4 - What did Hannibal Look like?
As we try to frame this coin culturally and contextually to the best of our abilities, we need to see where the image of Hannibal as a light skinned individual comes from instead.
Let's first look at the famous bust of Hannibal, found in Capua. The attribution of this remains still strongly debated. Was it really Hannibal or not? Difficult to say.
There are no extant autobiographies of Hannibal or Carthaginian works on Hannibal, which has resulted in a historiographical bias
However, we can find a strong inkling as we look at the other members of the Barca family, which we do find represented on the Spanish Carthaginian coin issues. At first glance we can see how these representation strongly negates the interpretation of a black or subsaharan Hannibal, as we see faces and heads which are clearly of a different phenotypic variant. Differently from this coin, these are Carthaginian mints. This is Hannibal. This is his brother Hasdrubal. This is Hamilcar, the father. Why should we believe that he looked like this, if the rest of his family looked like that?
#netflix #hanniballshow #denzelwashington
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This was a good one! I always wondered how the phonecians of carthage looked in reality. They were so widespread for such a long time that i speculated they may haven interbred on their travels and settlement periods. The berbers as they were then were thought to be blonde and blue eyed. As some to this day still have but its rare. I met a modern ‘berber’ as he claimed as a moroccan who was clearly arabic. Thats an immigration of muslims into north africa after rome collapsed. And as we know rome cruelly slaughtered carthages inhabitants and destroyed its civilization. You did a fantastic job collecting hints and context on this. Much appreciated
All good Metatron, love your work, I'm with you, support you and also won't be silenced towards the truth.
But don't give them ideas on Hellenic Mythology.
They already think that Zeus, Heracles, Achilles, Memnon, Odysseus, Andromeda, Busiris, Agenor, Aegytus even throwing out ideas that Alexander the Great might also came from African decent etc... were Nubian African characters in Hellenic Culture.
They already think that Africans built Athens, Thebes, Argos etc...
Don't encourage them.
The nymph is "Μελάνθεια"="Melantho" in Hellenic Mythology not "Melina" and does NOT mean "black" as in African.
The definition of the name is: "μέλας"="μαύρος"="black",
It also means "μελαμψός"="dusky", as in a tan.
And "άνθος"="flower" = meaning "she Who is rare as a black flower " (for example a black tolip) = meaning hard to find in the myth.
Nothing to do about her being African or having Nubian Sub Saharan features and characteristics.
carthage's inhabitants would have done the same to the romans.@@azurebadger
So did anyone have an issue with Gerard Butler playing Leonidas?
@@jmay5406 Irrelevant.
First of all that was a Hollywood entertainment film based on a comic book.
Not a documentary.
Just like the Netflix series about Cleopatra was ridiculous and Unethical.
Secondly.
The difference is that Gerard Butler can pass as a Hellen.
Adele James can't pass as a Hellen.
Denzel Washington can't pass as Hannibal Barca.
Learn the difference.
My grandma told me once, no matter what they say….Ghengis was a non binary, black person who cared for her/he/thy’s people. And also a vegan who was concerned about the environment
funny enough the last part about veganism and environmental concern might not be so far out
well....he genocided tons of people so in some weird way he was concerned about the enviroment. And actually, he did care for his people, he was a good and reasonable leader for them..... not the others. So a 50% of what you said is true.
I eat mostly plant-based but I wouldn't expect nomadic people from the Steppes to rely on plants to survive. They did have some sort of agricultural patches around though.
And everyone clapped
@@matho6003 Even for the others that he conquered. IF you treated his envoys well and submitted. Refusing submission would get you conquered and plundered. Mistreating his envoys got you on the naughty list.
I can't believe it needs to be said but just because you are physically on the continent of Africa that does not mean you are "black".
People generalize, especially in America. That's why they often think Indians aren't Asian. They think Asian only applies to EAST Asians.
*caveman confusion*
when you know so little about the continent you don't even know there is a desert the size of the USA that forms a huge natural obstacle, as opposed to the sea just north of the continent that is functionally a highway.
I used to work with Egyptians and, boy, did they get annoyed about this kind of ignorant nonsense. And...to be fair they didn't like Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra either.
Elon Musk. African, therefore black 😁🤣
If they cast Samuel L Jackson as Julius Caesar I can't wait for the line "I have HAD it with all these motherf***ing Gauls on these motherf***ing plains"
Or Denzel riding an elephant and shouting Rome ain't got shit one me 😂
I like what you did there🌾🌾🌾
Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
@@Gideon-ky6mr that doesn't mean shit. Cannanites are definitely not black. The Carthagenians came from Syria (tyre in modern day Lebanon) and before that from Bahrain, There's plenty of evidence for that.
@@tylerdordon99 Canaan is the grandson of Ham(Africa) and cousin of Cush(Ethiopia) so definitely black. The land of Syria? you mean the land of Babylonians? Yeah Babylon was Cushite.
I’m from Tunisia 🇹🇳 or Carthage, Denzel playing Hannibal is like me playing Dr Martin Luther King.
I bet your people are not indigenous to the continent.
@@amonone399 Amazigh are yes, I doubt you've been to Africa.
@@Liquidsback Amazigh Nice try, but a fail.
@@Liquidsback Next.
@@Liquidsback The Original Berbers are descendants of Phut and Lib, so no, they are not Caucasians. Peace out.
Watching a Netflix documentary for historical accuracy is like watching "Pets" for veterinarian medicine.
No y'all are assuming all black ppl look alike & we're not a diverse race based off what TV cast us as 1 or maybe 2 looks. When we're more diverse than North Africans & Middle Eastern ppl. "Black" is an umbrella term for any brownskin African ethnic group. Creole are French speaking & French mixed black ppl in Louisiana USA both lightskin & darkskin with thick curly hair, Dominicans like Ice Spice & Cardi B are 2 different shades of "Black" Afro-Latinas, some Columbians, Brazilians Haitians, Hondurans, Cubans, Jamaicans lightskin, brownskin, Darkskin curly hair, kinky Nappy hair, I have a lightskin bro & darkskin bro, & I'm brownskin, our mom is lighter than all of us. None of my family is the same shade of brown. Look at Obama, Osama, & Nipsey Hustle, Arabs are "Black" they originate from Africa. Look at the Host of (Fresh and Fit) on TH-cam he's "Black" his parents are from Arabia somewhere moved to Sudan & he was raised in the US as a Muslim.
This is an accurate representation of "Black" ppl: instagram.com/reel/Ch0jjhLoqYX/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== The only difference in between North Africans, & Middle Eastern ppl & American Black's is hairstyles, haircuts, & clothes. That's why Nipsey Hustle & Osama & Obama look like bros.
Netflix is just copying Hollywood.
I can't wait for someone to do an accurate documentary about Joan of Arc. Not many people know that he was an old black man and that is why the Swedes burned him at the stake.
It's like watching an adult movie for the plot.
And you know Hannibal was black? do educate me plz.
The big question is whether or not they'll also make Scipio Africanus black, and his brother Scipio Asiaticus asian. After all it's in their name, right ?
😂 oh my.
So you're saying the Scipio family wasn't multi racial? Racist 😂
No. This is from a Carthaginian POV, so the Romans will be the bad guys, and therefore White.
lol that's leftist logic on point
LOL
Ideas for upcoming netflix "documentaries"
Richard Lionheart - Jamie Foxx
Attila the Hun - Idris Elba
Chistopher Columbus - Will Smith
Archimedes - Forest Whitaker
Romulus and Remus - Tiki Barber and Ronde Barber
Julius Caesar - Samuel Jackson
You are welcome to suggest more.
I think Netflix intentionally picks characters who could be reasonably misunderstood as Black. Hannibal and Cleopatra both being North African is no accident.
Samuel L Jackson as Caesar sounds pretty bomb, not gonna lie, lmao.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not interested
@@John-mf1szthat's it! I've had it with this motherfuckin senate and these motherfuckin term limits. Imma be dictator for life.
My Grandthem told me Hannibal was a non-binary two-spirit BIPOC intersex attack helicopter. Bless them’s souls
I remember being like 8 years old and arguing with my mom about which race Hannibal was. I remember very clearly my mom telling me just because someone was from Africa doesn’t mean they’re black. It’s wild that these conversations are still raging on
"These conversations" are getting worse and stupider. Absolutely nobody in the US seems to know that the vast majority of Berbers are Caucasoid, let alone that the Carthaginians were Semitic/east Mediterranean.
Would anybody stand for ELON MUSK playing MANDELA? All of this race-lifting goes ONE way.
what's wrong with being black?
@@rhumash5977 Ask yourself, you assumed that so you answer it. No one said anything about black being wrong.
@@rhumash5977come on my brother no need for such bigoted assumptions.
@@rhumash5977not all Africans are black . North Africans are a thing
I’m black and I know you’re not attacking me. Just defending history and I appreciate it. I’ve tried to explain the stupidity of this claim many times on My instagram but I’m often called an Uncle Tom or a WS lmao
That's terrible. We're all God's children.
Stay strong. Sad to hear that you and other truth tellers are called Uncle Tom and other horrible slurs.
As a North African I’m tried to explain to them my own history and my people ( it’s quit sad and funny in the same time 😂)
Indeed, unfortunately, some people are still going yo attack him and ignore the evidence he puts forward. It's such a shame, but I respect Metatron for not reacting with the same energy as these types of people.
Ironically enough Uncle Tom was actually a hero who freed slaves. They can't read the book so they have no idea they're inadvertently praising you once you realize this fact.
But yeah, it blows the mind so many are so incompetently illiterate. It actually hurts after so long of hearing the nonsense.
As a kid I preferred historical documentaries over cartoons, to the dismay of my 5 siblings. I was enthralled with Hannibal and his many feats at a very young, even saying I wanted to name my first son Hannibal (not knowing about the horror movie). When I first saw that people insisted he was of African decent rather than Phoenician, I knew then, it was only the beginning of a downward decline of historical putrefaction. Thank Minerva for historians like you!
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KING MACINACEUS was black and said hannibal was ethiopian. He wanted to marry his ethiopian niece. He immediately joined Scipio africanus in 202bc.
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Great great general ❤
And yet when whites play black historical figures, you're fine with it. lol
Honestly you truly make me smile especially how you explain your subjects. Thank goodness for your sense of humour and your knowledge of history. Bravo.
The race swap irritates me, but let’s also address that Denzel is almost 70. Hannibal died when he was 66. He was a young man when he went to war with the Romans. He wouldn’t look like someone in his late 60s. While Denzel is a great actor, even he can’t convincingly pull this off.
It's like the new Napoleon movie - Joaquin Phoenix is a good actor but he's much, much older than the character he is playing.
Phoenix is alot taller, too 😊
@@sopwithsnoopy8779 Actually Napoleon height of 5' 2" was recorded using French Feet which are larger than English Imperial feet making Napoleon seem shorter than he actually was if you convert it Napoleon was 5' 6" which is only 2" shorter than Phoenix reported height.
@@11BscoutNG My point is the idea that Napoleon being short is due to the English and others not realizing that his height was measured in French feet and these are not the same as English Imperial feet.
He did a really great MacBeth, I can see him pulling off a Hannibal. The issue isn't the race of the actor. It's all the wokewashing.
I’m a black guy and I enjoy Roman history, Norse history, Greek, Persian, Turkish, Chinese, Germanic, etc and study them extensively. It’s quite telling that when these afrocentrists claim a certain historical figure (Hannibal, Septimus Severus, etc) was black, they cannot tell me anything besides that. They don’t know anything at all about the topic aside from the fact that this guy was born in North Africa or had a name with Africa in it so therefore he must be black. This of course leads to them saying “since he was black, all of their culture is black and white people should pay homage to black people because of it.” It’s very frustrating and I get second hand embarrassment.
I end up shacking my head and pointing out that how these companies are low key saying that actual black history is not important.
you probably not black
@@imlaughinq7445 I knew someone would say that. Why do you think I’m not black?
@@Sikandrosmaybe the strange choice of your pfp 😂 (I’m not judging only curious)
@@Luna-dh6yt McGregor is the 🐐 and its a fire pic.
Thanks Metatron! Keep up the good work.
In Malta there's a tradition that Hannibal was born on the island when Malta was under the Carthaginians (it fell to the Romans in the second Punic war).We have a place called Ħal Barca ( Ħal means village). Barca means lightning in Maltese Lightning is Berqa.
Isn't Maltese related to the know dead Siculo-Arabic dialect
@@abdibgm5748 maltese does sound Arabic and its roots are semitic but it has many foreign words from former occupiers of the island French English Italian.
@victorpulis5113 I was taking about the dialect of Arabic that was spoken bg the Moors of Sicily and Malta
Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
Netflix: *misrepresents x historical character*
Metatron: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, Old Man?"
It will become an ongoing series.
Metatron Corrects: Netflix
What currency is ARS?
Argentinian Peso
If someone made a playlist of that, I'd binge watch it for knowledge and fun@@EclipseWarlord
@@Romczy So, about 1 cent I guess.
Black Historian here. Keep up the good work Metatron!Very frustrating that films don’t even put forth a modicum of effort towards getting history accurate.
Thank you sir and I surely will!
@@metatronyt Boudicca kills Emperor Nero in the (2023) movie Boudicca - what's happening to history? I live in Africa, my family were all born here, I bet most of these guys have never set foot on the continent.
@@andydavis8437 I wonder if Boudicca and Emperor Nero were depicted as black on Netflix?
Why can't they just literally make an authentic African movie/series based on historical sub-saharan people?
@@vane909090
Simple, first they would have to do a lot of homework for such a movie/series and they couldn't push thier agenda.
My Grandma told me Alligators is angry cuz they got 17% of the teeth, but commit 50% of the toothbrush theft.
I think it's more like 13 and 55 but she was on the right track...
You, Sir, are very eloquent and the accent is lovely.
Thank you kindly
Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
Can't wait for Netflix's next historical epic "Shaka the Zulu King" starring Brad Pitt as Shaka !
Yeah that will never happen, Because they would consider whitewashing history as racist. If you black wash history apparently that's good.
Or Jackie Chan.
Why even a male? Why even a human?
I want to see the roots remake with a hemsworth as toby.
In all seriousness they won't do that bc they are trying to write a narrative that doesn't exist and try to make ppl look bad and continue to pander to everyone and everything when they are actively destroying themselves
The cover art for all of Netflix's 'historical documentaries' are going to be in the next dictionary right next to the definition for insanity.
Nope, "Mockumentary," like the Discovery Channel's "Mermaids: The Body Found" video.
Dude, take a reality check yourself, too. Human History itself is the definition of Insanity. Netfix is just entertainment TV.
@@HeathenDance except Netflix is actively pushing a racial narrative with false information. Did they learn NOTHING from the Cleopatra failure? This is the LITERAL definition of insanity.
@@HeathenDanceIt does not matter if its for entertainment or not, Its misinformation and most people watch it as history.
@@HeathenDance They are trying to pass this fiction as a documentary
The illustration you showed of Hannibal as black was in an Ebony magazine I saw back as a teenager. I also read a book back in the early 90’s which also depicted him as black. The sculpture clearly shows he in fact was not. Africa is a vast continent and not everyone is black that is from there. As a black person who has studied art history extensively in college. I appreciate your accurate in depth information.
Black in terms of race is a nebulous term. You should know that. Hannibal was likely a Berber. Berbers are indigenous to Africa and are a brown skinned people now and in antiquity. They are indistinguishable from 10’s of thousands African Americans.
@@ethanthomas68Well to be fair, Hannibal could have very well been of mixed origin, berber and phoenician. And besides, berbers come in all different colors.
I take issue with a few things, but regardless one's opinion, this was a very well, 'put-together' presentation. I had my speculations based on the title of the video alone, but this was an intriguing presentation. Very engaging. I'm a bit surprised he didn't mention the use of the now endangered Forest Elephant specie, which is closer to the size of its Asiatic cousin. Again, engaging presentation. Will share channel.
i’m a black man who’s into history metatron thank you for speaking out against the race swapping in these films
Yeah but Denzel Washington is perfectly suited for a role of a great general who loves his homeland and has made it his life's mission to destroy his beloved homeland's greatest enemy, who humiliated them severely in the past.
@@Wasserkaktusyeah, have him play shaka then
well, he can be Bannibal Harca for that not historically Hannibal Barca if the series is made to portrait a historical figure@@Wasserkaktus
@@Wasserkaktusyup just not Hannibal
@@leonardoferrari4852 Shaka's story is not like Hannibal's at all, and African Americans are pretty detacted from Southern Africans.
I’m one of those “Black Subscribers” 😅 Nigerian American to be exact.
I don’t think your racist Metatron. Thank you for constantly giving us amazing content 🫶🏾
Fun Fact: As a ‘history nerd’ I usually have people foaming at the mouth when I tell them Cleopatra was not black 😂
As an Afro Carribean Latino I feel the same and I want them to start doing actual African underrated stuff like the Malian and Songhai Empires, the various kingdoms and Empires of Ethiopia and Nubia (Aksum, Meroe, Kush, of course Ethiopia), the many Sultanates and city-states of the Kenya-Tanzania-Somalia area, and many more.
I am so happy to know that Metatron has subscribers like you that put simply, have healthy self-esteems, and don't fall into the 'I-must-prove-to-the-world-I-am-sombody!' ....of course you are! Heck, everyone is, and Africa has plenty of awesome history for everyone to go-around!
@@Raccon_Detective.That would be great but it doesn't suit the agenda.
So, what you are saying is, Greeks and Palestinians are not black?
So, what you are saying is, Greeks and Palestinians are not black?
Meta, you win again. Opinion back by facts is unstoppable! Well done sir.
Thanks you for your support
Have a chat with hades 🤙🔥😂
You’re awesome metatron💯
Love your channel 💚
My dad was born in Sicily and came to the US as an infant. He died in 1999. When he began school his teachers classified him in the school roster as "Negro" because of his black hair and swarthy complexion. Yet, when WW2 began and he was drafted, his race magically changed to Caucasian with the stroke of a pen. Amazing. And Netflix wasn't even involved in his racial journey.
People don't understand history once the white man came in to power they made every white like king Arthur he was black and all of Europe was black the Anglo Saxons are originally black and lots of great people of history they made white
Your testimony sounds more of a legend than a historical fact
I was born in SICILY and We are not Black,
@@michealsweat4444😂😂😂 You've been brainwashed!
@@enzos6743Obviously not! Generally speaking a lot of Greeks, Italians, Portuguese, Spanish are "Morenos" for obvious Geographic/Historical reasons (People around the Mediterranean Sea mixed for thousands of years) and 'cause of the sunny climate.
Btw as stated in other videos, I'm Black and I support historical accuracy and thus supporting Metatron lol
Thanks!
@@metatronyt have you seen the trailer for “The Book of Clarence”? It seems like something you could make a video on (though I’d prefer if you didn’t)
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699then why did you suggest it 😂
@@iaaf_nw2367 idek. Maybe a part of me wanted to be the one to be the inspiration for a vid? I really don’t know
@@outsideiskrrtinsideihurt699 that's fair
In many places at various times around Mediterranean the images on the coins referred to the person given the rights to mint them. NOT necessarily the king, tyrant, autocrat or whatever authority was effective then and there. Especially before Imperial Rome times.
Oh man what i feared that day when Netflix's Cleopatra was announced happened ! The direct misinformation about Hannibal really happened. Now as a Tunisian i deeply feel what my Egyptian friends went through. Here we go again.....
I hope Tunisia also sues Netflix
Achilles was also turned to a black guy.
@@Ravishrex1 That's really infuriating how they do this, history professors need to really make a stand against this type of media. People should be focusing on historical authenticity and honesty in analyzing multiple data not serving flawed political agendas.
Well. hey if you feel so strongly about it, why not work to somehow help worthy Tunisian actors get the fame so that one day THEY can play Hannibal? Ditto for any Lebanese folks on here, too.
@@MKfanmomohistorians, and scientists. Two of the most factual subjects, being polluted by all this toss. Its absolutely insane.
My grandmother told me that Hannibal was indeed black, and it didn't matter what historical artifacts, or even history itself says, because she's always right.
Yyp, just like the romans , Greeks, vikings and ancient Britons were all black.. facts... wankanda forever
@@factsdontcareaboutyourfeel7204
Wankanda forever in friendship and labor our mighty republic will ever endure.
Our great soviet Africa will live through the ages, why do I bother with this, last time they didn't get the joke.
Well, my grandmother Would call the metatron Black. It is the Word for dark haired people were she lives... so ...
@@i.b.640 My Grandmother from Naples was totally black prior to like WW2. And she's actually darker than many African Americans. But she got called black for the first half of her life.
Whats next Netflix? A Asian version of Zaka Zulu
Well done! I also am a fan of Denzel Washington! With Hannibals occupation of Italy so long. What 12 years? Do we not have coinage that he was using to pay his soldiers? Did he mint any coinage? And the sources are frustrating in their lack of descriptions of Hannibal. Ancient are notorius for lack of characteristics other than vague ones. Hannibal is sometimes like grasping at smoke. But there are tantalizing vapors there! Some coverage on the third century barracks emperors would be awesome! MERRY CHRISTMAS! ☃️
Truth is nowadays less important than "political correctness". This is both morally wrong and dangerous. Thank you for always watching over it. 🙏
Truth has never been important. White blue eyed Jesus proves that.
Black people have to substitute for their own lack of history by adopting the white man's conquests. I see their misfortune. If they don't project to the world a sense of equality by being equal to Europeans then they are automatically regarded as an inferior civilization. Which, regrettably, they were. But it doesn't matter. Under our Christian world view everyone is on equal terms regardless of how much they did, or didn't conquor. Black people are experiencing a racist inferiority complex. Someone should tell them. God loves us all the same.
It's literally a racist stand (truth being less important than "political correctness").
Then again you had Jeffrey Hunter,Max Von Sydow both portrayed. Not exactly an accurate depiction
The people of Netflix clearly said they want to "reimagine history". Basically, what they meant is " we will rewrite history"
They want reimagine history by making it worse, than it in reality is. They have no respect for real history, so thats why they keep rewriting history.
Cul ....mar...... ag......a
Ain't that terryfying, it is the exact same thing that totalitarian regimes were always doing?
Ussr hymn plays
They're not rewriting jack. They're just capitalizing on the political climate.
Im black...and I have been subscribed to your channel for r quite some time...but I am also a scientist/researcher (applied behavior analysis) as well so I completely comprehend your perspective on these matters. I love your channel.
Hey Metatron!!!
Where's the video summing up geopolitical and ethnic boundaries from the beginning of civilization until absolutely known history? I hope I worded that right.
I actually really like the way you phrased it: "black people do not need white charity" when it comes to history. actually really good point
Why do they even want to reimagine history as everybody black? 😂 Imagine white people doing that. "WE JUST WANT TO REIMAGINE HISTORY, MANSA MUSA WAS WHITE!"
I wonder why they don't make a movie on the Queen of Sheba , she WAS of black people , Ethiopian . She is presented in the Bible , so is quite famous . I guess , if we make a statistic , she is probably more famous/well known than Cleopatra
@@beatnik6806an outrage
@@costelbanasu6447that’s false while she is famous and they should make a movie about her Cleopatra is more famous and is a part of pop culture and is always brought up when talking about a pretty/beautiful woman
@@costelbanasu6447hell They had a chance to make Perseus wife Andromeda black as she was a beautiful Ethiopian princess
Is it really that hard for Netflix to stick to facts when their content involves historical figures? If Netflix wanted to do a series on Queen Victoria, it wouldn’t make sense to cast a Korean actress.
I don't mind them changing things as long as they are honest about it. Like "We are making a movie based on the life of Hannibal Barca but we'll change things up a bit for entertainment." Instead they are like "Couldn't history have been like that? Actually we're pretty sure history was like that."
Netflix would just follow BBC's lead and cast a black actress to play her.
Don't give them any damn ideas.
That would be awesome! And why not make her a martial arts expert while they are at it
@@basilmcdonnell9807 She should also invent things in her spare time. Submarines and planes maybe?
People on the left are saying, we'll have to RE-educate you on this subject sir
I give you 100% for presenting historical facts to those ignorant to history. Unfortunately, logic, facts, evidence cannot illuminate nor change the mind of those with such low self-esteem they adopt the histories of others. It's a form of self-hate. Only time, prayer, and facing the truth can help them. But Hollyweird, doesn't matter in the grand scheme of ETERNAL LIFE which is more important for all human beings.
Another example of cultural colonisation. As you can see with Hannibal or Cleopatra: This colonisation is not pan-African. No, the replacements must always be representatives of those sub-saharan African cultures from which the American slaves came from. In the end, behind all this stand the American black movements which want to occupy history to feel more important. And it casts a poor light on them that they always have to steal from others.
That cause sub hara africans don't have any good history to look towards
It's what you do when you have an inferiority complex, insecurity and feeling like your history isn't important, so you latch on to others'
black that steal from others? I have heard of that in the past
It's not "American Black movements", it's bankers. Divide and rule.
What type of anti-Black racist bullshit is this?! Let me give you hint, for something to be cultural colonization, it has to be said culture or group of people doing the colonization by producing media said media. Last time I checked Black Americans don’t own Netflix, and don’t control what Netflix puts out. You lame 🤡’s get way too comfortable putting Black Americans in your less than pleasant mouths.
I'm from Tunisia, country of Hannibal ..and it's really frustrating how Netflix is just taking a p**** at history...and black washing it ...thank you for making this video.
They also did that to cleopatra western liberals are obsessed with blk people
يعني مش بس مصر 😂
Blackwashing, really? You ignore the fact that the Saharan Rock Paintings are of black people.
You ignore the fact of Roman invasions, Arab invasions and enslavement of millions of Eastern Europeans via Barbary Slave trade across North Africa.
m so glad to Seeing a Tunisian Carthaginian brother talking about this when the media is sleeping .
Tunisia back then was much whiter since arabs had not yet invaded and raped everyone, also Hannibal was from a greek city so as white as it can get with a little bit of tan
I am a Tunisian and I am pretty damn sure i'm not black
I'd like to know more about Benin City. I was fascinated to learn recently that there was a sub-Saharan city of significant size.
As someone who studied little bit of ancient sub-saharan african art, I'd really like to see historically and culturologically accurate series about actual black figures and kingdoms. Wouldn't it be so interesting?
Exactly many black directors want these projects. But Hollywood doesn't want that.
Yes! I'm a huge fan of Egypt, Rome, Tudors etc. but it has been done to the death. Africa is a largely untouched source of stories and histories that absolutely deserve some spotlight.
I want a series of Ethiopian-Adal War.
I'm still waiting for a movie or high budget documentary of just Mansa Musa, we can't even get that.
@@Kaspar.C0LD Yep. Arguably the richest man who ever lived. He spent so freely that his largesse crashed the economies of some of the countries he passed through. Add in some jealousy, scheming and a love interest, and the plot almost writes itself.
I'd also be happy to see adaptations of African folktales, such as the stories of Anansi etc.
Denzel Washington is 68 years old. I cannot imagine how such an old dude can act as Hannibal Barka who took command of the Iberian Carthaginian Army at the age of 26, who defeated the Romans at Cannae at the age of 31 and who lost Zama at the age of 45. He even died younger. Even his father died at the age of 41 far younger than Denzel Washington. How the hell this actor can act as him?
Its like stupid Netflix has no respect for real history, because they put 68 year old man to act as the 30 year old man who beat three big roman armies. Why does the great actor Denzel Washington even accept this role that disrespects history so much?
Yeah I had the same gripes about Joaquin Phoenix being cast as Napoleon! Only 29 during is campaign in Egypt played by a man whos 49!
Easy. Ancient times were extremely rough. Adults looked twice their age compared to today🧐 If you can't accept that... then they will probably use the Hollywood digital magic of cgi and de-age him like Robert Downey Jr., Micheal Douglas and Kurt Russell in the Marvel movies🤓
Hollywood still grooming daddy fetishes… great
Maybe peasants looked older, but I can't see any plausible reason why pampered ancient aristocrats would age faster than modern pampered westerners.@@chrisortiz7487
Keep doing what you are doing Metatron. Keep speaking what is true, calling out the nonsense
LOL!
It’s indeed non sense. Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
Phoenicians are Canaanite, Canaan is is the grand son of ham and cousin of Cush. So cope, he is indeed black!
I will never watch a docudrama before watching one of your reviews. Epic.
I'm a little disappointed at Denzel, he's been one of the sane ones throughout all of this stupidity with identity politics. Maybe Sam Jackson told him about all the sweet cash he's missing out on by not appearing in every show ever made.
we is kangs!!! dey be lyins to us n sheet brotha!!
These guys have no soul. All it matters is their money. Who cares about the truth (?)
If it's not in the script then samule el jackoffson can't say it.
I was VERY disappointed by Denzel when I found out. Actually, I heard about the possibility of this over 10yrs ago. I hoped that it died a quiet death, but I was wrong.
You will see several actors trying to make a comeback, be it for money or renewed fame, he may even have been convinced it made sense. I mean, i definitely didn't know about this coin and nowadays "alternative truths" are very much on the plate. If he is smart or has someone smart around him, he will quietly reject the role, even if to just avoid the hassle (if he hasnt signed penalties if he doesnt complete the role...)
If I were Tunisian, I'd pull an Egypt and sue Netflix.
Tunisian here the money would be welcome but i don't think the concerned authority have the guts to do it, egypt invest in archeology and history as for my country am not noticing it i mean sure we have museum and historical sites but I don't believe the authorities have an ongoing interest in history
again i might be wrong and not looking enough
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The difference is of course that Egypt has a lot of famous archeological sites and Tunisia doesn't. There is not much left of the original Carthage. But now that I'm here, I'd like to ask: how do they see Hannibal in your country?
@@fransbuijs808 i agree
as for how tunsian see hannibal well he is an important figure, we studies about Carthage in history classes ofc and great deal of that lead to Hannibal at some point.
i recently discovered that the name is still used and legal through a football player also named hannibal we have a tv channel called hannibal too.
for me he is national hero even if he failed to take rome.
@@skyrimbear7106one of gaddafi’s sons was named hannibal
In my mind, Hannibal Barca looks more like Jose Murinho
I wouldn't expect Denzel to take this job. He's one of the few actors who doesn't like to play identity politics, and has said some very wise words for those who do play them.
Amazing how quickly ethics can be bought out isn’t it?
He has responded to it and he's like "meh, who knows". Good actor at least.
So, no James Earl Jones for Darth Hamilkar
Dude, he played Macbeth too. You know... the scottish bloke?
These people have no spine.
Entirely possible he hadn't reseached him before he'd signed on. A lot of people hear Carthage was in Africa and assume that, sadly.
I'm always so perplexed by the casting of some of the historical figures in movies. If they really wanted to cast a black actor then why not do a movie about an actual and confirmed black figure. There are plenty of interesting people that have lived throughout time that movie makers could use to give the spotlight to a certain race or ethnicity without having to alter history.
That doesn’t follow an agenda
No actor looks exactly like the historical figures they portray, so why give a shit if they're a different race but not if some other physical feature is different?
The sad thing is also that these revisionist movies supports the idea that there are no significant black historical figures.
@@Guerillatoker because it's important to keep history as accurate as possible for the future generations
@@canadian_american84 This is entertainment, not historical record. Regardless, that still doesn’t address that all historical entertainment uses actors that are not doppelgängers of the figures they play.
Hitler was from Nigerian with a Hawaiian grandma and a grandfather from Taiwan. Come on, man.
As usual, you always are spot on with your explanation and critiquing of every topic you go through. thank you for all you do. You are one of the very best at this sort of thing and you’re an incredible historian I think all your videos are amazing. Please keep doing what you do.
When it comes to netflix “documentaries”, They should be viewed and watched as comedy rather than actual history.
They should be viewed as propaganda, which is what they are.
More like a propaganda movie
They should be not watched at all. This is the only way to stop the process of producing of that garbage.
@@FeralMessTrue. the point of my comment is that netflix and their content is absolute shit and is supposed to be laughed at; Not as in they are funny, but instead because their content is so terrible and inaccurate, That its supposed to be laughed at, and not taken seriously by anyone on earth.
They should have “historical fictional” in big words above the description.
So first Netflix angers Egypt by portraying Cleopatra as black.
And now they are about to anger Tunisia by portraying Hannibal as black.
For a platform that prides itself for there inclusivity, they DO anger a lot of Nort African people.
Yeah true but tbh the Egyptians rn also kinda portray that they made the pyramids even though it was the black Egyptians that did before people came and invaded. North Africa has always been mixed especially back then. Just cause they chased blacks from there doesn’t mean North Africa is theirs. There are a lot of black North Africans.
@@chisome8465 did Netflix claim that?
WOW, they really go at it don't they.
@@chisome8465Egyptians didn't build the Pyramids. It was the Invading Semites who forced the Egyptian Pagan priests and population to build them in conscripted labor gangs
As the Egyptian Priests told the Ancient Greeks
Job was one of the Invaders.
They found Joseph's pyramid but that was later.
@@melaninsupergurl-vu4uv see that’s how I know you don’t know much aha why lie ir say something so strongly if you’re not sure! The Egyptians never even mentioned the pyramids so truly we don’t know who did or built it! Could be 20k yers old we don’t know! The pyramids were there before the Greeks or semites smh like what! Maybe the new pyramids later on that are shit now yeah but the old pyramids there are ancient! And it’s scientific fact that it wasn’t slaves lol they were noble men and they ate and lived well! No Egyptian scripts tell who, how or when it was made if they knew or did it they would have written it down !
@@melaninsupergurl-vu4uvwhere did you get what your speaking about from? I would like to know.
MY ITALIAN HISTORY JESUS : ) I am SO impressed by your videos. Thanks you very much !
One thing i dont quite understand about this videos methodology is how can we assume the skincolour of a person which is depicted on a coin? i get that the faces show characteristics which, according to stereotypes, are assosiated with a certain colour of skin. but can we assume that these stereotypes where already present at the time the coins where minted? i would have appreciated it if you could have explained in a little more detail how we can derive the skincolour of a person from a historic, monochrome depiction
You don't see those thick lips and wide noses. Y'all never had that.
You're being purposely obtuse. Racial features are not "stereotypes." It's not racist to say that there is such a thing as a black nose anymore than it is to say there are Asian eyelids. We can most definitely extrapolate skin color based on racial features on a coin.
@@Ben-zr4ho i am not saying it is impossible, i am merely saying i'd have liked an explenation of the methodology.
And i agree that there are certain physically features that have a very close link to a certain ethnicity, for example asian eyelids. But there are also definitely examples of physical features that are just part of a stereotype and have no bases in biology. the "big, crooked jewish nose" as it was described by the nazis would be an example. And i am not certain where to draw the line. i.e. what is a stereotype and what is based on actual biology. thats why i was, how you called it, "purposely obtuse"
They should make a documentary about Hitler, and make him black.
One of your black subscribers here.. I was raised in a very politically pro black/pro african family.. One thing I was taught at an early age was to value history and not to let anyone sell you on stories that aren't true whether they cater to you or not.. I want to thank you for this video because as someone who leans politically into pro blackness I also stand for proper representation for all people and especially for Africa as a whole and the constant revisionist history of modern day cinema does nothing but add to systemic erasure of my people and other people throughout the world.. African history deserves to be perserved and not used as a racialized political tool by people who dont truly care about representation or history.. Thank you again for this.. 🇳🇬✊🏾🖤
stop lying you are not black
absolutely agree and it’s to sow division nothing else. divide and rule
Pro blackness? What does that mean? Because it just sounds like racism from the outside. Please correct me if I am wrong.
@@mwfmtnman you are completely wrong.. pro blackness is simply putting the advocacy of black-african descendants across the world affillicted by the effects of colonialism and systematic racism first and foremost in your political life especialy if you are a descendant of those enslaved in the United States and United Kingdom.. that doesnt mean you dont stand for the rights, representation, and and equality for others it simply means you have a devotion to black-african descended people in order to add to quality of life, representation, and economic growth.. its a dedication to Africa and her people and a useful tool in uniting her children all over the world.. aint nothing racist about it.. and it might be one of those things where you may just have to be a black african directly afflicted by these social issues placed upon us to understand..
@MagcargoMan you obviously don't understand the question. If you can't answer with an adult, rational answer, let the adults speak please.
As a North African Amazigh, I remember being quite intrigued when I saw a black Hannibal in History Channel's docu series on the Punic Wars.
This is condescending to Africans both North and sub-Saharan, and to people's intelligence. We also had our civilizations both native and foreign-controlled and would like some respect.
I also wish for my fellow sub-Saharan Africans to have some historically accurate series or movies on their civilizations. It's quite remarkable that no big studio thought about making anything of value concerning Mansa Musa.
Also, salute to you @metatronyt for always doing your best. Funny thing is, we might have some common ancestry due to both our regions' common history.
What civilizations?
Im saying. All they had was mud huts and two story structures
@@luckylarry88At the time of the Punic Wars, there were the Numidians, who, led by King Massinissa, an ally of Rome, went on to control a territory spanning from Western Algeria/Morocco to Libya. Fun fact, his descendent, Juba II, married the daughter of Cleopatra.
You may add some other states after the brief Arab control as well as individuals who contributed to both Western and Muslim civilizations like Saint-Augustine and Ibn Firnas.
If you're asking about sub-Saharan Africa, Axum, Dm't, Kush, Mali. You might add Zimbabwe, Swahili and Yoruba as interesting subjects to study as well.
@@gts1300And Wakanda 😋
@@Abovethehorizonyea cope
I was always skeptical inside about the claim that the image on the coin was of Hannibal. Lile how did they definitively determine that?
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Well king macinaceus wanted to marry hannibals ethiopian sister. He was the King of Numidia. He could not marry her and immediately joined Scipio africanus in 202bc at the battle of zama. Hannibal was a black ethiopian. Big hidden history because it'll show the the blacks beginning the italian race. Black cartheginians raped so so many pale women in sicily the babies came out with black straight hair. ITALIANS WERE CONSIDERED A HIDEOUS RACE AT ONE TIME BECAUSE OF THIS. Here in NY it's known. Old 1900s ny hated italians because of the negro blood in them. Big history of Hannibal and ethiopian carthage. I'm sure you didn't know that. But Quentin Tarantino put that historical part in his movie true lies. Go listen to it and be amazed how it's explained.
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It's actually sad that there are so many, actual, important people who were continental Africans yet don't get any acknowledgement. People focus on this Macedonian named Cleopatra (who did what?) but what about the Catholic Churches official and number one philosopher: the Berber, Saint Augustine of Hippo? He was a heavy hitter and quite scary in his own right. Speaking of Berbers (an indigenous ethnic population in the northern part of the African Continent) we have the real life Zena Princess warrior: Queen Kahena. She was Berber Queen (also known as Dhiya) who was killed in battle, leading her armies and princess against foreign Arab invaders. I found out about her by accident while reading a quote from the famous Berber sociologist, Albert Lemme, in his book: Colonialism and The Colonized. Berbers are fairly light skinned and are often mistaken for Arabs. Or, as best put by Lemme: "in France they hate me because I'm an Arab, back home, they hate me because I am a Jew". The guy can't win.
Actually, I started reading a manga called "Ad Astra", which is set during the second punic war. Here Hannibal is a mix between Keanu Reeves in his 30s and Aragorn of "LOTR" of Peter Jackson. Obviously, it has some of the features of the statue of Capua, too.
In fact, a Japanese mangaka has been more historically accurate than the Netflix tv series.
Very much so, and not only Netflix. As a manga reader myself i couldn't agree more.
I love the part where Hannibal took his Panzer tanks over the Caucauses. Truly mind blowing stuff.
hey wait a minuet@@migangelmart
I loved that manga for its faithfulness to the original sources, which often found their way into mangaka notes. There were a very few small errors, but on the whole the it was a solid piece of historical adaptation for an entertainment medium.
the image/ethnicity of Hannibal Barca has never been authenticated by anybody so you don't have a clue if that's more historically accurate or not.
Mangas make near enough every character look like what yo udescribed to appeal to the western markets that they aim at.
Netflix Director : "Let's change all the characters to be black. Let's put some chicks in it and make half the cast gay."
Source Material Fans : "Um..."
Activists : "The original authors said it was okay themselves!"
Original Authors : "According to my contract with Netflix, I am apparently okay with these changes."
You left out the part where Netflix faces another lawsuit over misrepresenting history in a documentary. Otherwise spot on.
@@CommanderRedEXE They got too confident after getting away with butchering so much fiction. They tried it out with historical figures, and now are learning there is only so much people will tolerate with this altering the past, whether it be historical or popular fiction.
You forgot to make it lame
Original Authors: "We died several centuries ago. Nonetheless, you will be hearing from our legal team.
Who is the original author of Carthage? I mean besides Dido
Nice video, very well researched thought out, and prepared.
Much appreciated
Is that a box for 5,25'' floppy disks I see on the shelf?
Without even watching I can say “NO” emphatically. Carthaginian ruling class, merchants and most military leaders were all descended from Phoenicians from the eastern shore of the Mediterranean who settled Carthage.
You know Phoenicians were black right?
@@deathkittenk.5471Phoenicians originally from modern Lebanon and would have been middle eastern/Mediterranean
@@deathkittenk.5471Just…No. They were a Semitic people descended from Canaanites.
Carthaginians weren't berbers.
Berbero-centrics are not much better than sub-saharan centrics in this regard.
There are no any serius studies on Punic DNA, all we have are studies with very, and I mean very small number of samples, problematic thing is that Punics used cremation for longer than historians initially thought.
Kerkouane study shows 30% north african genetics (out of which only one was pure north african, all others admixed), 10% subsaharan african, 5% middle eastern and the rest 55% European (mostly Italian, Iberian and Sardinian, but also Greek and Gaelic/Celtic).
Again, this study was done on very low number of samples.
The idea that Phoenicians didn't colonize Western Mediteranean contradicts literally every historical source on the matter, yes they did, they colonized it in both peace time and in war time when they sent refugees during the Assyrian and Babylonian wars who went west, also during Alexanders siege of Tyre, this is very well documented. Population explosion and limited lifespace in their homeland on Levant (they lived in city states cramped between mountains of Lebanon and the sea) was one of the major reasons for phoenician colonization of the western mediterranean.
Certainly there is no base for modern day North Africans to claim this civilization. Even if they were predominately of north african genetic origin (which is very dubious) ethnicity is defined by language and culture, and in the case of Punics it was semitic Phoenician, not North African. They spoke Phoenician language (no it was not "a mix of phoenican and local languages" like berbero-centrics would like to claim, it was semitic language), had phoenician culture and religion, and self-identified as Cananites and Phoenicians.
We have first hand sources of Punics themselves and they called themselves Cananites and Phoenicians, so it was not some name Greeks or Romans invented for them, quite the contrary.
Ultimately, modern day North Africans are not genetically same people as people that lived there during the antiquity, they have Arab penisula genrtics (non-existant in ancient North Africa) and they have higher Sub Saharan genetics than in the antiquity, and lack European admixture which was present in Norhtern Africa during the entire antiquity and ceased to exist only after the Arab conquest
@@ivandicivan4189 Very well said. Basically they were incredibly diverse but likely only a minority had very dark skin, and as we have descriptions from many Greeks etc, likely would have been similar in appearance to those native to Northern India, assuming I'm understanding what you wrote out.
The worst thing about this is that Carthage had this fascinating military culture going on, casting Denzel as an aged, experienced and wise mercenary respected by the soldiers would have been fully within the possiblities and noone would have bat an eye at that
They have all the tools, one of the most multicultural societies of its time and still find the need to fuck it up
Specifically as a mercenary commander, as Carthage made heavy use of non-Carthaginian auxiliaries, including those from further south iirc. Being a trading power, hiring your army makes more sense than raising it yourself… though it leaves you vulnerable to the consequences of relying on men whose loyalty can be bought.
@@samaritan_sys as was seen post first Punic war in the mercenary war were Hannibal’s father had to put down the rebellion of the mercenaries.
Don't get me wrong but Denzel Washington can do a great Hannibal*.
*And I talking about Abram Petrovich Gannibal/Hannibal. But knowing netflix I will surely find a dinosaur walking in front my house waiting for them do something HISTORICALLY CORRECT.
BE CAREFUL sir...King macinaceus wanted to marry hannibals ethiopian sister. He was the king of numidia. He was a moor. He immediately joined Scipio africanus in 202bc at the battle of zama when he could not marry her. Yes hannibal was ethiopian. Carthage worshipped the cow. Same as ethiopians. You better be careful the scholars know.
@@hernanreipp3321be careful sir
Loved the StarCraft reference 😂
21:31 also, the aspect about being tactically oversmarted by Scipio, is a myth as well. Hannibal lost a major section of his experienced force, when the Numidian cavalry switched sides to Rome. There were other major changes which played a massive role. You can say he was administrarively beaten, but he was not tactically outsmarted. Scipio used almost the same tactics as Hannibal's own in Cannae. Fyi, Hannibal survived and fought against Rome for a long time after that, even till fighting with Antiochus the Third against Rome during the vestiges of the Seleucid Empire. You need to portray correct information mate. Very poor portrayal on Hannibal himself, who for me was the foremost of all generals, ever.
You cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into.
this quote needs to be on something, i don't know what, but just put in on something... anything
to be fair, the reasoning is hannibal was carthaginian, carthage was in africa, africans are black. so there is a reasoning there, its just shallow and incorrect. i love the quote though.
@@NemoA90 so you are racist to all north african peopele
@@giulioiodice2114 I have no idea how you reached that conclusion...
I once had a conversation that started out by saying Carthage was Phoenician colony city probably by settlers from Tyr. No doubt there were other people there when they founded it. It then grew into the Capital of the Carthaginian Empire. I was basically called every name in the book, including non myelinated. I did not know that was a word.
That sounds like Herodotus's account of the founding of Carthage. According to Herodotus, the city of Tyr was experiencing a terrible famine which culminated in the desperate decision to split the population in half, one group remained at Tyr and the other half was exiled to seek resettlement where they could find it: they found Tunisia, whereupon the former Tyrians founded the city of Carthage and became Carthaginians.
Probably lacking the myelin coating around your neurons, making them dysfunctional and you therefore brain dead
I guess Queen Dido was Black too, by those people's reckoning
It was Phoenician and African.
*Phoenician and Amazigh (Berber) @@80antonc
I really enjoy your videos. I would be very interested to learn your sources about Delfos being an African. Cause from what i knew in Pausanias version of Delfi origin, Delfos was a dark skinned Cretan young man.
Great discussion. Thank you.
You point out something without pointing it out .
Modern society and the film industry try find things that were not there, for gender or race reasons.
This idea has unfortunarely begun to trickle down into history and facts of history. Showing just how influential T V is.
Honestly , it seems to be an asumption pushed by the movie industry based on popular ideas of historical figures mixed with what many would call woke culture.
It is okay to make a film and assume that hannibal wss coloured, but the reality is , that he was not , important to distinguish between fact and fiction, science and entertainment.
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My uncle's dog once told me that no matter what they tell me Hun Atilla only spoke in a cute anime girl voice. I'm surprised they haven't made a historical documentary about this yet
My granny's dog agrees.
And Attila is also a Santa Claus! Look it up!
You mean about dogs accurate knowledge of History? -The talking thing I find less surprising.
Bro i thought i was the only one with this experience.
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I was reading a book and my grandma told me Hannibal was adopted as he was found in a basket Sailing down stream. He also won the medal of honour iron class prestige lvl4 but couldn’t defeat final boss..
Flaming pigs proved to be his downfall.
Yea and someone's brain dead grandma said that Cleopatra was black
im prone to believe most folk have an idea of how people in roman das looked from the marble statues they had lying around
Ok so then what do we get to make a movie about?
I agreed with you, as a Nigerian, we have a very rich history of conquerors and empires, and even traded with Portuguese and Europeans wayyy before colonisation. One of my favourite is Queen Amina and Jaja of Opobo. Why Netflix wouldn't focus on them is honestly just laziness. The more interesting thing is that these warrior Kings and Queens were dietified when they died, e.g Shango.
Secondly, if you guys want to understand the Second Punic War in more detail and see the genuis of Hannibal and Scipio, read the manga Ad Astra: Hannibal to Scipio
Shango's a copy of Thor. i don't know how he ended up in Nigeria. Maybe the Vandals or Vikings.
@ario2264 Well that line of thinking is shaky at best, because by your logic I can say Thor is a copy of Zeus and we can not go round in circles
Also, what evidence do you have that Vikings interacted with tge Yorubas?
Additionally, I am willing to say, if you believw Shango is Thor, then Odin is Olorun🤷🏿♂️
Its not just Lazyness its just that its not Popular enough to bring in money AND advance the political agenda, which westerner barely educated on their own continent's History would care about another continent let alone one traditionally less cared about in global history enough to see a movie about it.
However Hanibal? Roman History something teached for litteral thousands of Years by Europeans and places they settled en masse and North African and Middle eastern to an extand too, now thats popular stuff.
Which makes it even more disgusting since they prefer to spread lies over an badly known truth on purpose
@@ario2264 🤣🤣 Little Eurocentric spreading more BS, get real. Do you know how many thunder deities there are out there? Not everything revolves around European myths troll. The Orisha pantheon has nothing to do with any European pantheon. There is no link in the slightest. Only North African pagan deities and possibly some Horner ones are related to Eurasia.
@@gbengaadeogun5573 The Norse never stepped foot on Sub Saharan soil. Hek its unclear if they even saw black people in the Viking age. This guy is a known extreme Eurocentric. He dedicates his time mocking and undermining black African histories and cultures.
It's like the more people talk about it and the more outrage there is, the more they mess with you. "Ah, this button does this, keep pushing it!" -- it's an ugly trait humanity has.
Nailed it! It's all clout chasing because they know their show is weak by itself, but playing a race card automagically gets it attention.
It really is though
No what y'all assume is all black ppl look alike & we're not a diverse race based off what TV cast us as 1 or maybe 2 looks. When we're more diverse than North Africans & Middle Eastern ppl. "Black" is an umbrella term for any brownskin African ethnic group. Creole are French speaking & French mixed black ppl in Louisiana USA both lightskin & darkskin with thick curly hair, Dominicans like Ice Spice & Cardi B are 2 different shades of "Black" Afro-Latinas, some Columbians, Brazilians Haitians, Hondurans, Cubans, Jamaicans lightskin, brownskin, Darkskin curly hair, kinky Nappy hair, I have a lightskin bro & darkskin bro, & I'm brownskin, our mom is lighter than all of us. None of my family is the same shade of brown. Look at Obama, Osama, & Nipsey Hustle, Arabs are "Black" they originate from Africa. Look at the Host of (Fresh and Fit) on TH-cam he's "Black" his parents are from Arabia somewhere moved to Sudan & he was raised in the US as a Muslim.
This is an accurate representation of "Black" ppl: instagram.com/reel/Ch0jjhLoqYX/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== The only difference in between North Africans, & Middle Eastern ppl & American Black's is hairstyles, haircuts, & clothes. That's why Nipsey Hustle & Osama & Obama look like bros.
Or they have an agenda
it reminds me of how A24 cast Denzel as Macbeth
As a Filipino, I can't wait for Netflix to make a show about Dr Jose Rizal and the starring actor is Dwayne Johnson
I remember reading about hannibal and the carthaginians in middle school. The book i read (cant remember the name of it) said the carthaginians were descendants of Phoenician sailors who settled in coastal north africa. Phoenicians were of middle eastern origin, so i always assumed they probably looked similar to other people of middle eastern origin. Olive skinned, brown eyes, etc.
And then you learn about how they traveled to Briton, Ireland etc, and you realize sub saharans wouldnt be doing that, there is no evidence of them ever dojng this,,nor is there any written or symbolic connections between the two
That sounds like Herodotus's account of the founding of Carthage. According to Herodotus, the city of Tyr was experiencing a terrible famine which culminated in the desperate decision to split the population in half, one group remained at Tyr and the other half was exiled to seek resettlement where they could find it: they found Tunisia, whereupon the former Tyrians founded the city of Carthage and became Carthaginians.
They were decendents or closely related to cananites. And cananites were black.
@@kevlark3184 huh? black? are you nuts? they are semi-black and not totally black. Which isn't African sub Saharan black but Canaanite tanned skin. Study again kid.
@@kevlark3184canaanites were not black, but camitic or semitic so likely not black/subsaharian
I hate using logic and reason against stupid unreasonable and manipulative people. I had to break up with my girlfriend because of that.
"You can't logic someone out of a position they didn't logic themselves into." -AP4Liberty
Fr i hate it when people take an argument too seriously and say ‚we cant be friends if we disagree on this‘ happened to me; but we made up
Yeah sadly they will never be convinced that they are wrong - no matter what. But these videos have a great educational value for me. I already knew part of it but can learn bunch more. Stupid people will willingly stay stupid - thats where they feel comfortable I guess.
@tlilmiztli There's a difference between stupidity which is inherent and immutable and ignorance which is something that can be changed
@AllTheOthers Collectively humanity suffers from the paradigm blindness. That means we cannot see another way of life or any solutions beyond our paradigm that we are operating from. When there are belief systems that we are so conformed to, that we actually see any solutions or anything that resides beyond our belief systems as dangerous, impractical or unattainable.
No matter what everyone says, my grandma told me that the Romans were descendants of the black Chinese that only minted coins in the ancient Sumerian cuneiform language.
I'm no expert, but theories are not facts, and ancient Carthage was in North Africa.
Another idiotic move by Netflix, why am I not surprised? Thank you for shedding light on this topic time and time again
Original black history is apparently not interesting enough for Netflix
@@ravanpee1325 Or for Metatron either.
@@MagcargoMan Nice whataboutism.
@@oz_jones That's an odd way to describe a fact.
@@MagcargoMan ''From Nothing'' has some pretty good videos about African history.
I thought that I had enough with that "documentary" series on the History Channel where they put Anibal Barca as someone from southern Africa (in addition to putting the barbarian peoples as victims of an oppressive Rome, something that does not fit at all with the reality of ancient times), but it seems that Netflix wants to make things worse, as if Cleopatra were not already an obvious lesson that we will not accept their attempt to rewrite history...
What do you expect from a channel that hosts the Ancient Aliens series. 💀🤣
@@umar8558 Maybe for them, Anibal Barca is even an Alien too. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh yeah! I remember that series. Only managed to stomach two episodes. I specifically remember they had the dishonorable rev Jackson and other activists as expert consultants.
What y'all assume is all black ppl look alike & we're not a diverse race based off what TV cast us as 1 or maybe 2 looks. When we're more diverse than North Africans & Middle Eastern ppl. "Black" is an umbrella term for any brownskin African ethnic group. Creole are French speaking & French mixed black ppl in Louisiana USA both lightskin & darkskin with thick curly hair, Dominicans like Ice Spice & Cardi B are 2 different shades of "Black" Afro-Latinas, some Columbians, Brazilians Haitians, Hondurans, Cubans, Jamaicans lightskin, brownskin, Darkskin curly hair, kinky Nappy hair, I have a lightskin bro & darkskin bro, & I'm brownskin, our mom is lighter than all of us. None of my family is the same shade of brown. Look at Obama, Osama, & Nipsey Hustle, Arabs are "Black" they originate from Africa. Look at the Host of (Fresh and Fit) on TH-cam he's "Black" his parents are from Arabia somewhere moved to Sudan & he was raised in the US as a Muslim.
This is an accurate representation of "Black" ppl: instagram.com/reel/Ch0jjhLoqYX/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== The only difference in between North Africans, & Middle Eastern ppl & American Black's is hairstyles, haircuts, & clothes. That's why Nipsey Hustle & Osama & Obama look like bros.
They will keep pushing their agenda eitherway, they have no respect for anyone outside their ideology.
Soon there will be documentary about a black bear, guess what? They filming a polar bear instead.
I agree w/your analysis,,,,,
A lad named Orwell once said "He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future". Maybe this has something to do with rewriting history.
No kidding. The movie gets millions of views. How many does this video get? Adolf Schickelgruber knew that too.
And about erasing entire cultures
The Battle of Zama took place near Carthage in North Africa. Scipio carefully prepared his army, incorporating new tactics based on those used by Hannibal himself, such as the use of Numidian cavalry. During the battle, the Roman troops managed to break through the Carthaginian infantry lines and encircle Hannibal's forces. The Numidian cavalry, which was a key element of the Carthaginian army, turned against Hannibal and joined Scipio's ranks.
Hannibal was from North Africa, modern Tunisia, where I am from too and we are Mediterraneans just like Italians and Greecs or Turks.
Y’all African
@@thefifthanproud4031 In this instance, the Mediterranean has a greater geographic demarcation than simply being on the same continent.
@@markusgorelli5278 Don’t matter the African period.
@@markusgorelli5278 I’m from California. Would that make me poly because my state face the pacific No!! So either way they are African
North Africa was invaded by Rome and and by Arabs long after Hannibal was long passed. Actually in AD. Known as the Common Period. Therefore all the mixing of cultures happened long ago and guess what? Lighter skin tones. The same thing happened in Egypt as well.
Can't wait for Netflix's documentary about a failed West African painter who moved to Germany in order to give passionate political speeches in order to restore the glory of the Fatherland.