I believe this match happened on an earlier version of this map, which is why some movements look bizarre (infantry moving through pipes, Bboat going through bridges). The replay viewer uses the current map version which added these terrain features which weren't present when the match actually happened.
yeah, this is very likely. i was looking into it and the game was ended on the nov 19, but in the comments it was noted there was at least an edit around the 18th and 23rd. so im guess the map creator was watching the map while it was going on and decided to change things up to keep the BB in check.
Yeah I was thinking huh can black boats move on bridges now because this is weird. Glad this comment explained though. Those BB's from Elagatua were something else though and I would wager he picked Sami because of just black boat mobility being so OP on the old map.
as others have pointed out, this was played on an earlier version of the map, and neverlocke was kind enough to humor my idea of a practice match to see if my strategy concept would be effective. my original idea was that the HQ bboat is so effective for center access, that sami can guarantee a capture of the opponent's COM tower, and then force fights around the middle since the opponent will be needing that tower back. and if sami's opponent ever removes the bboat from the HQ, then a front shift to take the HQ is basically undefendable for sami's opponent. neverlocke wisely thwarted my plans by sacrificing a lot of early utility by leaving the bboat on the HQ but in the end the game long income advantage was a lot to overcome. the map was adjusted shortly after this match, so apologies to everyone who wanted to see the original version make the GL rotation!
Hachi might be bald underneath the hat but he has side burns so I think Orange Star needs a Bald CO. 😄 Any chance you might do a follow up video on Wargroove 2, such as its meta or current balance at some point?
16:03 black boats go on roads?! 11:51 mechs on the pipes?! 10:26 black boats going under a bridge?! 10:58 artillery move like it has extrea move?! what?! edit: ok so apparently, it might be a case of a _pre-update_ match being shown on a _post-update_ map, some tiles have changed explaining the discrepancies/anomalous moves.
Haha gald I'm not the only one who noticed. I'm hearing Mangs say "If only boats could go under bridges" at 7:41 as I look at a Black Boat that somehow got on the opposite side of the bridge. Edit: and then at 8:23 it goes right through the bridge lol
That was actually really well played by Elagatua. The early capture of the enemy Comm Tower combined with the Recon spam cased Neverlocke to over-focus on taking it back, while Elagatua focused on stalling and picking off his infantry. That early firepower advantage from both towers helped Elagatua punch through Neverlocke's weak side more effectively, while also allowing him to stall out Neverlocke's attempt to recapture it just a bit longer. In the end, Neverlocke didn't have enough infantry on the frontlines of his strongside to secure the HQ capture, especially with the fire support from the Battleship. The Port's position means that only two direct attackers can hit the Battleship, and even with Hyper Upgrade, a full HP Tank does 0-7% damage per attack, which is repaired back on Elagatua's turn. It would be another 2 Turns before his Medium Tank could attack the Battleship, but by then Elagatua's Artillery would have destroyed the defensive Black Boat on his HQ. Neverlocke realized this, and knew he couldn't win the race due to needing to footslog more Infantry to the frontlines, and by the time they would have arrived, Elagatua would have capped his HQ.
@emdivine yep! Known replay viewer bug, it caches an old version of the map and won't make sure it's still accurate when loading a new replay on the same map.
Awesome! Great to see a Sami game where she actually wins. The Battleship was the final nail in the coffin, but the real day saver this game were those amazing transport and supply lines with the Black Boats holy crap.
I was hyped by the bboat moving through bridges, but no :( 8:24 Mangs looking at this sus bboat on a river, seeing that something is off, and finally virtually shruging and going "nah, it's not a sea tile, it's a river actually so you can load units" is hilarious
It is important to bring up that Sami stealing the com tower is crucial because she can now reliably destroy units, and that is brutal for Andy, who needs to keep all his units alive.
I am so glad Mangs introduced so many people (myself included) to AWBW. I don't even play but have been obsessed with watching top level play. The gamecasts add a lot to a match but I have gotten hooked on watching people like Rip_, Elagatua, Go7, and Lord_Clefairy play different matches on the site as well.
So I randomly stumbled upon one of your videos a few months ago. And since then i stopped by every once in a while to watch a video and this whole time ive had no idea what was going on in game. Just liked the game I guess. After MONTHS I finally decided to try the game out and I stayed up all night last night until 5 am playing lol. Cant wait to learn a lot more about the game I am currently getting my butt kicked in a 3 star mission. Anyways, thanks for getting me into the game Mangs
Was the replay viewer showing an older version of the map somehow? There's no way black boats can move through bridges and rivers, or infantry moving through pipe tiles
Came here to comment on the many movement oddities in the map, glad to see the community is so on-the-money on these things (and that my guess, a map change between play and commentary, was the culprit). A great if sometimes baffling watch.
yeah, im guessing the game was played on an old version of the map, and that pipe section might of been a mountain. based on how infantry could move over it but vehicles avoided it.
Driving something on a beach is not easy... For the most part, yes. I believe there are exceptions though, this mostly boils down to the dirt's/sands chemical and physical state, and another factor. How compacted is the beach? How much moisture has the ground absorbed? Is it actually all sand and not some gravel under the layer of sand? How much has the beach sand gotten to set onto it's place? Another key to this discussion is: Weight of the vehicle. Considering that we are talking about Recon unit of Advanced Wars, it is safe to assume that the vehicle is very light, enough sturdy construction to take small arms fire (mainly assaults rifles, handguns etc.) You can make surprisingly sturdy equipment without increasing the weight of the vehicle and weight distribution to the points where it touches the ground. Sorry, that statement just prompted me to think about it.
Title spoils the video. Map was edited so a lot of strange things happening (black boat moving across bridges and onto a road next to the hq and a few infantry/mech movements). Overall, this made for a very strange viewing experience 🤔
mangs i must say im always excited when you get excited about things. i love your content and its always a pleasure to watch these. Ty for your hard work
I can highly recommend all the people here taking a look at some of elgatua´s videos. They are insanely detailed and thus are quite long, but you learn so much about Advance Wars.
Neverlocke saw the Battleship AND copter, then realized there wasn't enough to surround the HQ cap. Next turn, Elagatua would have shelled the HQ, copter was in range to clean up the remainder of the HP, or reduced to 1 is "best case" and broke the Black Boat and began capping Neverlocke's own HQ. MAX time left was 2 days due to capping Neverlocke's HQ, all without the ability to cover the Blue HQ at all
Ooh, Mangs, I wonder if Sonya would be any good on this map? Her Recon should be able to scout out TWO of the opponent's bases at the start of the game! That can be a pretty sizable information advantage!
At the end, Andy had no way to deal with the BS and the BC, at least not in time. No AA, no fighter, and no indirect anywhere close. Meanwhile, on the opposite side, that black boat was about dead and there was no other unit capable of defending the HQ. Only one way I can see this going. With a tank on the harbour, a battleship wasn't an option. Now, it would have been funny if Samy's BS hadn't been scouted... "Surprise!"
Fun video and nice to see more of Sami. One thing I would recommend is to not tell us who subitted the replay to you. This is because most of the time the winner of the game is the one who will subitt it, and that spoils the result.
Andy: Wait, armies wear specific colored uniforms so they know who the enemy is? I always just killed the units that were facing the wrong way! I wondered why Olaf wasn't trying to drown me in a snow bank.
I also love how he refuted your claim that Sami has (almost) no defense against Medium Tanks. I mean you get to use *5 1/3 mechs* to counter their value advantage...
Not using the black boat seemed like a huge mistake to me. Look at the insane capture advantage Elegatua got in the first few turns, including getting both comm towers without a fight and a big income lead. It was game over right there.
100% there is something fucky going on with the replay viewer here a mech stops on a pipe the black boat is on a road at the end and there is an infantry walking through a pipe at 4:24
"I've been casting a lot of Sami lately... completely by accident I promise you..." Yeah, and I definitely clicked on the Sami thumbnail completely by accident, I promise you. 😅 On a serious note though, Sami games are fun since it's pretty interesting to see how players circumvent her downsides, and a rare chance to see mechs actually be useful. Edit: Oh wow, that was a premature resign imo, he could've hyper upgraded and joined and took a gamble...
no, there were no changes to black boats. Mangs has a newer version of the map. It's why the second ports never get captured, & infantry walk over the pipes aswell.
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I believe this match happened on an earlier version of this map, which is why some movements look bizarre (infantry moving through pipes, Bboat going through bridges). The replay viewer uses the current map version which added these terrain features which weren't present when the match actually happened.
That explains why they never capped the second port, it most likely wasn't there in the original map
yeah, this is very likely. i was looking into it and the game was ended on the nov 19, but in the comments it was noted there was at least an edit around the 18th and 23rd.
so im guess the map creator was watching the map while it was going on and decided to change things up to keep the BB in check.
That would explain why the Black Boat drove onto a road at the end by the HQ.
I can't believe I didn't notice while recording. My bad!
Yeah I was thinking huh can black boats move on bridges now because this is weird. Glad this comment explained though. Those BB's from Elagatua were something else though and I would wager he picked Sami because of just black boat mobility being so OP on the old map.
as others have pointed out, this was played on an earlier version of the map, and neverlocke was kind enough to humor my idea of a practice match to see if my strategy concept would be effective. my original idea was that the HQ bboat is so effective for center access, that sami can guarantee a capture of the opponent's COM tower, and then force fights around the middle since the opponent will be needing that tower back. and if sami's opponent ever removes the bboat from the HQ, then a front shift to take the HQ is basically undefendable for sami's opponent. neverlocke wisely thwarted my plans by sacrificing a lot of early utility by leaving the bboat on the HQ but in the end the game long income advantage was a lot to overcome. the map was adjusted shortly after this match, so apologies to everyone who wanted to see the original version make the GL rotation!
"Battleships are great in the map! I'm not gonna spoil how it helped though."
The title absolutely foreshadowing. 😮
Yeah video title ruined any tension.
Mangs has joined Orange Star.
Hachi might be bald underneath the hat but he has side burns so I think Orange Star needs a Bald CO. 😄
Any chance you might do a follow up video on Wargroove 2, such as its meta or current balance at some point?
He’s joined orange egg
Profile pic checks out
@HauntedCorpseGaming Does any nation besides Comet have a bald CO
What would be his CO Power though? Invulnerable Mangs infantries while capping properties?
16:03 black boats go on roads?! 11:51 mechs on the pipes?! 10:26 black boats going under a bridge?! 10:58 artillery move like it has extrea move?! what?!
edit: ok so apparently, it might be a case of a _pre-update_ match being shown on a _post-update_ map, some tiles have changed explaining the discrepancies/anomalous moves.
That explains it
That B-boat just move over a bridge 5:55? They finally made the naval unit able to move trough them?
Yeah wtf?
WHAT THE HELL???
Haha gald I'm not the only one who noticed. I'm hearing Mangs say "If only boats could go under bridges" at 7:41 as I look at a Black Boat that somehow got on the opposite side of the bridge.
Edit: and then at 8:23 it goes right through the bridge lol
@@Mangs1337lol you missed the black boat traveling through the bridges so many times.
Holy crap, yet another completely sensible change that feels like how the original gba titles should have functioned in the first place.
That was actually really well played by Elagatua. The early capture of the enemy Comm Tower combined with the Recon spam cased Neverlocke to over-focus on taking it back, while Elagatua focused on stalling and picking off his infantry. That early firepower advantage from both towers helped Elagatua punch through Neverlocke's weak side more effectively, while also allowing him to stall out Neverlocke's attempt to recapture it just a bit longer. In the end, Neverlocke didn't have enough infantry on the frontlines of his strongside to secure the HQ capture, especially with the fire support from the Battleship. The Port's position means that only two direct attackers can hit the Battleship, and even with Hyper Upgrade, a full HP Tank does 0-7% damage per attack, which is repaired back on Elagatua's turn. It would be another 2 Turns before his Medium Tank could attack the Battleship, but by then Elagatua's Artillery would have destroyed the defensive Black Boat on his HQ. Neverlocke realized this, and knew he couldn't win the race due to needing to footslog more Infantry to the frontlines, and by the time they would have arrived, Elagatua would have capped his HQ.
Honestly,, I don't mind the Sami content. She's insanely fun to both play and watch. Victory March can be a game changer and it's really fun
16:01 ah yes blackboat defying the physics going on a road to defend the hq
Sami showing why the Marines are a department of the Navy.
BB going over bridges, rivers, roads; infrantry walking on pipes... It sure is a crazy game, he didn't lie
Mangs wants to make Norway great again
Orange mangs bad
Sami armpits in the thumbnail, nice
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@@oof5992 that mans chronically down bad. There is no cure.
Go straight to jail.
Do not collect 200$
4:24 did that orange infantry just move THROUGH a pipe?
It sure did I was about to comment this same thing wtf happened there?
He climbed over it
apparently that's from the map being changed since the game was recorded, according to another comment
@emdivine yep! Known replay viewer bug, it caches an old version of the map and won't make sure it's still accurate when loading a new replay on the same map.
Awesome! Great to see a Sami game where she actually wins.
The Battleship was the final nail in the coffin, but the real day saver this game were those amazing transport and supply lines with the Black Boats holy crap.
I was hyped by the bboat moving through bridges, but no :(
8:24 Mangs looking at this sus bboat on a river, seeing that something is off, and finally virtually shruging and going "nah, it's not a sea tile, it's a river actually so you can load units" is hilarious
Another weird thing nobody has mentioned so far: At 10:58, an artillery uses 6 movement (5 tiles, one is a forest).
It is important to bring up that Sami stealing the com tower is crucial because she can now reliably destroy units, and that is brutal for Andy, who needs to keep all his units alive.
I am so glad Mangs introduced so many people (myself included) to AWBW. I don't even play but have been obsessed with watching top level play. The gamecasts add a lot to a match but I have gotten hooked on watching people like Rip_, Elagatua, Go7, and Lord_Clefairy play different matches on the site as well.
This was a good match. I definitely think he resigned prematurely. It was quite close
10:15 One thing I really liked about Days of Ruin was making anything with tires cost 2 move on shoals. Helped reign in recons a bit.
I really enjoy seeing a lot of Sami lately
Mangs in on his orange arc
Hello Mangs. You can pass off as Grimm if you wear an orange jumpsuit.
So I randomly stumbled upon one of your videos a few months ago. And since then i stopped by every once in a while to watch a video and this whole time ive had no idea what was going on in game. Just liked the game I guess. After MONTHS I finally decided to try the game out and I stayed up all night last night until 5 am playing lol. Cant wait to learn a lot more about the game I am currently getting my butt kicked in a 3 star mission. Anyways, thanks for getting me into the game Mangs
"enlightened" egg ;-)
Egg-lightened
the egg lord is one step closer to becoming a true egg, he's even egg coloured now
Was the replay viewer showing an older version of the map somehow? There's no way black boats can move through bridges and rivers, or infantry moving through pipe tiles
in the end a blackboat olaso moved onto a road next to the HQ
The era of Sami has only just begun.
7:39 "if only boats could move over bridges right?"
Meanwhile, the black *boat* on the other side of the bridge
Came here to comment on the many movement oddities in the map, glad to see the community is so on-the-money on these things (and that my guess, a map change between play and commentary, was the culprit). A great if sometimes baffling watch.
11:50 mech finishes turn on a pipe tile wtfff
16:08 and black boat ends turn on a road WTFFFFFFFF?????
yeah, im guessing the game was played on an old version of the map, and that pipe section might of been a mountain. based on how infantry could move over it but vehicles avoided it.
Woah, black boats can travel across bridges now? Nice!
I mean it could always be worse.
It could have been a Max battleship.
It would have reached, too. What a way to go out...
Wait, black boat moving through rivers and bridge tiles? Is this an update or am I insane thinking that wasn't possible before?
What in the world...
Help stepbro I'm trapped in the missle silo
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Driving something on a beach is not easy... For the most part, yes. I believe there are exceptions though, this mostly boils down to the dirt's/sands chemical and physical state, and another factor. How compacted is the beach? How much moisture has the ground absorbed? Is it actually all sand and not some gravel under the layer of sand? How much has the beach sand gotten to set onto it's place? Another key to this discussion is: Weight of the vehicle. Considering that we are talking about Recon unit of Advanced Wars, it is safe to assume that the vehicle is very light, enough sturdy construction to take small arms fire (mainly assaults rifles, handguns etc.) You can make surprisingly sturdy equipment without increasing the weight of the vehicle and weight distribution to the points where it touches the ground.
Sorry, that statement just prompted me to think about it.
Title spoils the video.
Map was edited so a lot of strange things happening (black boat moving across bridges and onto a road next to the hq and a few infantry/mech movements).
Overall, this made for a very strange viewing experience 🤔
mangs i must say im always excited when you get excited about things. i love your content and its always a pleasure to watch these. Ty for your hard work
BBs can move under bridges and onto rivers?????
Something is not right here
wth it even goes on a road next to HQ... that is not normally
the biggest question i had was at the end... the BB moved onto a road.
I can highly recommend all the people here taking a look at some of elgatua´s videos. They are insanely detailed and thus are quite long, but you learn so much about Advance Wars.
Neverlocke saw the Battleship AND copter, then realized there wasn't enough to surround the HQ cap. Next turn, Elagatua would have shelled the HQ, copter was in range to clean up the remainder of the HP, or reduced to 1 is "best case" and broke the Black Boat and began capping Neverlocke's own HQ. MAX time left was 2 days due to capping Neverlocke's HQ, all without the ability to cover the Blue HQ at all
Sami has called in the Orange Egg! **BOOM**
When you look at it, Black Boats are APCs. And we all know what's been shaking up the metagame.
New Orange Star CO Confirmed!
he's got the fetty wap ranking: 1738
3:32 blue infantry moving through pipe?
Orange infantry does it too at 4:24
Something is weird as hell here
I love Coom Towers.
Just when I was looking for something to watch…
Thanks for the upload.
Mangs going for the 'cooked egg' look, I see.
10:20 In fact, Dangs, that's why they changed shoals in DOR. Wheeled vehicles are slowed down as if they were plains. :)
You're so wholesome, watching these videos is amazing mangs!
Excellent commentary as always Mangs, with a lovely battleship ending to seal the deal. I look forward to our match and good luck to you.
turns out
double-time is still a good CO power
Ooh, Mangs, I wonder if Sonya would be any good on this map? Her Recon should be able to scout out TWO of the opponent's bases at the start of the game! That can be a pretty sizable information advantage!
Bro got the Trump Tan
14:56 remembermangs in the mech Unit Review saying you will never see 4 mech ambush a medium tank? Well, Now we see it
Samis battleship can save the fe last boss arena stream!
Jake would be proud
1:55
I donkno man, that video title gives me a BIT of a hint. :P
Mangs became Orange Star
Today I'm really angry, nothing better to cheer me up as MAAAAAANGSSSSS, keep it up man
At the end, Andy had no way to deal with the BS and the BC, at least not in time. No AA, no fighter, and no indirect anywhere close. Meanwhile, on the opposite side, that black boat was about dead and there was no other unit capable of defending the HQ. Only one way I can see this going. With a tank on the harbour, a battleship wasn't an option.
Now, it would have been funny if Samy's BS hadn't been scouted... "Surprise!"
Fun video and nice to see more of Sami. One thing I would recommend is to not tell us who subitted the replay to you. This is because most of the time the winner of the game is the one who will subitt it, and that spoils the result.
Great fight I watched because it's Advance Wars aside, damn Mangs with the Sami armpit bait kek
Andy: Wait, armies wear specific colored uniforms so they know who the enemy is? I always just killed the units that were facing the wrong way! I wondered why Olaf wasn't trying to drown me in a snow bank.
I also love how he refuted your claim that Sami has (almost) no defense against Medium Tanks. I mean you get to use *5 1/3 mechs* to counter their value advantage...
11:52 the Mech Topright is on a Pipe o.O
Not using the black boat seemed like a huge mistake to me. Look at the insane capture advantage Elegatua got in the first few turns, including getting both comm towers without a fight and a big income lead. It was game over right there.
orange egg
Wow Mangs, you look really Orange. You should run for president
Battleship didn't even have to fire in order to win. The style points alone made sndy regret his decision.
100% there is something fucky going on with the replay viewer here a mech stops on a pipe the black boat is on a road at the end and there is an infantry walking through a pipe at 4:24
Why doesn't Andy have the Daily Power: "Repairs gain +1 HP"? Give the poor kid *something*
This Battleship did not get sunk instead it floated, Like cream to the top O YEA!.
"I've been casting a lot of Sami lately... completely by accident I promise you..."
Yeah, and I definitely clicked on the Sami thumbnail completely by accident, I promise you. 😅
On a serious note though, Sami games are fun since it's pretty interesting to see how players circumvent her downsides, and a rare chance to see mechs actually be useful.
Edit: Oh wow, that was a premature resign imo, he could've hyper upgraded and joined and took a gamble...
black boats can go under bridges? Black boat on road next to capital at end? Am i missing something?
6:00 BLACKBOATS CAN GO ON BRIDGES? I just learned something very important
8:32 AND RIVERS
It would be even funnier to see an Eagle battleship saving the day.
Looks like Mangs got the Trump appointment to the Department of Advance Wars! Congrats!
16:02 Orange Blackboat drives onto the road next to his HQ. Side effect from code for letting them go onto bridges?
no, there were no changes to black boats. Mangs has a newer version of the map.
It's why the second ports never get captured, & infantry walk over the pipes aswell.
you arent orange you're golden....you're the golden child...uhm man...then again you look like mr.clean right now with the glow
Is it just black boats that can cross bridges, or are there more among the navy units?
Sup Orangs, Your aesthetic works well for Sami games! I am going to assume it was intentional. hehe
Wait since when do Black Boats pass over bridge tiles? Is this an update? At 4:21
08:35 Waitwaitwait Black Boat can go on rivers ? I'm so confused right now.
Missed opportunity to not put Neverlocke as black hole since he is playing Andy.
Why did that black boat move over a bridge
Battleships can sometimes be worth it.
I'm more confused than ever about seeing the Black Boat on a river, a bridge AND a road... what the heck was going on??
Love your videos but how do you get music and sound effects ? Keep up the good work :D
Could we get an Eagle game casted at some point? I can't recall the last time I've seen him on the channel lmao
Are there any REBOOT CAMP mods? Id love to build this map, but Com Towers dont exist 😕
Mangs secretly has a thing for Sami.
An Battleship = WE NEED SEE THE MATCH!
Orange Mangs? Are you hard-boiled?
Orange Star mangs: Whats an mangs infantry?¿?🤔
Elagatua sounds like a sneeze. Ugh it's sk annoying when they resign early.
Did that black boat go through bridge at 4:25?!
what is the lonely tower on the island ? Why don't they cap it ? :o
Hi there, Mangs.