Is Dorje Shugden A Demon or Buddha?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2025
- Dorje Shugden's practice has been established for over 350 years yet since 1996, some have labeled this protector a demon instead of an enlightened Buddha, thus causing confusion and fear to arise in the minds of those new to the dharma.
In this video, the question of whether Dorje Shugden is a malicious spirit or in fact a fully enlightened Dharma Protector is discussed and addressed with fact and logic.
For more introductory videos on Dorje Shugden's practice: www.tsemrinpoch...
The video was very clear in it's explanation based on several crucial points :-
1) The past reincarnations of Dorje Shugden were all highly attained and enlightened masters
2) Many fire pujas and other powerful "evil-removing" rituals failed to remove Dorje Shugden's spirit
3) Many other High Lamas and enlightened masters, including the 5th and 13th Dalai Lama have wriiten prayers and praises to Dorje Shugden. They too rely on his practice to benefit others.
4) Other sects of Tibetan Buddhism like the Sakyas and Kargyus also relied on Dorje Shugden as their Dharma Protector
5) The junior and senior tutor of the current 14th Dalai Lama propiatiates the practice of Dorje Shugden. In their current new reincarnation they are still practicing Dorje Shugden.
There were definitely many very valid points presented in this video which proves to everyone that Dorje Shugden is not a demon but instead without doubt Dorje Shugden is a BUDDHA !!
Thank you for this very enlightening video and series of videos !!
+meru land It is very nice to see your deep understanding about this issue..I have my own experience since I start praying to Dorje Shugden and from that i realize he is Enlightened being , not a Demon.
If Dorje Shugden is a demon he's a really helpful one (speaking as someone from a judeo christian background)
If you have a pure mind then all living beings; including dorje shugden, are pure
carlos happy-house Thank you for your comment here. I guess you’re referring Buddha’s nature in each and everyone of us. There’s many more videos pertaining this matter in this channel. Do search for more
To keep strong, remember your initial purpose.
To keep calm, forget grudges.
Transcend gain and loss.
Cultivate your virtue by despising empty glory.
🙏🙏。Dorje Shugden 🙏🙏
Some very valid logic discussions about whether Dorje Shugden is Buddha or demon. Thank you Li Kim, Pastor David Lai and Pastor Shin Tan for making this video.
Would be interesting to see an episode of comparing the different deities between Tibetan buddhism and Thai buddhism. For example of how Tibetan would view thai Phra Rahu and Vice versa from their perspectives and such.
Hi Meng Wan, What's important is not how much one studies & reads but understanding the subject in question. I'm switching between Karandavyuha Sutra(everything you wish to know on "OM MANI PADME HUNG' and the 'Mani Kabum' (all about Avalokiteshvara), literally telling you I'm struggling & have no focus. As mentioned in my earlier posting, nobody can take your belief away from you, "ITS YOUR BIRTH RIGHT". Your friends or enemies, remember them in your dedication prayers, period! Trust me, they come and go as 'A flash of lightning in the summer cloud, A star at dawn, a bubble in the stream"...Dhammapada.
Good morning (1) You should go beyond opinion and belief, you can rightly reject anything which when accepted, practised and perfected leads to more oversion, more craving and more delusion. They are not beneficial and are to be avoided. (2) Conversely, you can rightly accept anything which when accepted and practised lead to unconditional love, contentment and wisdom. These things allow you time and space to develop a happy and peaceful mind. (3) This should be your criteria on what is and what is not the truth ; on what should be and what should not be the Spiritual practice. This is the teaching of all BUDDHA the enlighten One be happy be happy be happy ❤️❤️❤️
a big question is : how can the Dalai Lama consider a Buddha to be a demon , this is a contradiction . please , is something wrong with the current Dalai lama ?
I would say that perhaps His Holiness the Dalai Lama and others lama are working hand in hand to spread Buddhism farther. An illusory play.
Dalai Lama is following Buddha but not this Because Chinese has create this all problem between Tibetan ,Chinese government has already taken Tibet country and now still creating problem .
*GonG108* Indeed there's something wrong with the fraudulent 14th Dalai Lama. He is not a Buddhist ... he's a rakshasa who promulgates violence & the demonic consumption of flesh. ॐAmitabh
This is a great dialogue. Yet human failings are human. This protector's teachings are important because not everyone is on the same levels and his more "wordly" way can resonate with those who are just coming into the concepts of the Dharma. It can bring people who might not otherwise want to deal with it. It is up to each individual to keep his/her Mind and Heart pure, avoiding compulsion and fanaticism, by employing Compassion and keeping service to others as the primary focus. Not the deity. H. H. the Dalai Lama has never told them *NOT* to practice their beliefs. He merely asked that they not attend *his* teachings. If those who deal with Dorje Shugden refuse to understand that then that is their problem. As the head of the *entire* order His Holiness has the authority to make these decisions and they *should* be respected regardless of how one *feels.* Emotional maturity is a critical aspect of Spiritual growth.
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Oh the suffering within and attachment of having to prove oneself... I think it is more important just to simply be a good human being in the present. PEACE ^_^
Hi Pastor, the Gyenze statue in your video! is it available for invitation?
Is there a Gyenze in this video please let me know the timing I only saw Duldzin.
Informative video but this led to another very important question which I hope can be clarified as well. In view of such strong lineage of Dorje Shugden then why is the Dalai Lama renouncing it? Surely to do that he needs to convince himself with very strong reasoning too in view that he too took Dorje Shugden as protector before. Hope this program can also address this to provide viewers with a balance view to consider.
I personally feel the Dalai Lama is enacting a ban or discrimination against Dorje Shugden, so 1.3 billion Chinese and the rest of the world can practice Dorje Shugden. If the Dalai Lama had said oh Chinese , Dorje Shudgen is a wonderful practice the CHinese from China will probably not practice it. But make Dorje Shugden like an enemy of the Dalai Lama, then all the Chinese will practice it. The enemy of my enemy is usually my friend. Also in our times, bad news / or news that are not squeaky clean spreads faster, so Dorje Shugden has been spread much faster due to this ban.
i am from the Karmapa lineage , our protector is Mahakala but i don´t feel any connection , it is just Dorje Shugden am i in the wrong lineage or what went wrong with me ? i am really confused about it ( not to mention that we have two Karmapas right now )
Hi GonG108, do you have your own spiritual teacher or Guru right now? Have you discussed your concerns with them? This is because you have somehow karmatic connection with Dorje Shugden, that is why you have feeling with this great protector. :)
no , sadly right now there is no one available ,
Protest the Dalai Lama and you are doomed? You made the Dalai Lama seems like a Devil. Fact is every prophets and teachers were and still are been criticized by millions of the opposite faiths. If the Dalai Lama is a Bodhisattva, the compassionate wise being (he had on many occasion iterated publicly he's just an ordinary monk), he should ensure no one goes to hell instead, right? My humblest apology, as a Tibetan Buddhist who believes and honors the 4 sects of Tibetan Buddhism I feel compel to write what makes sense. I know, half boil eggs taste good as well.
I don't think if we say anything about the Dorje Shudgen ban, we are doomed. The Dorje Shudgen ban serves no purpose at all. We do not need the Dalai Lama to doom us, if we create negative karma we can head to the hells all by ourselves.
Dorje Shugden is a supra-mundane being, he is not enlightened and is not a world teacher.
Nigel Sheppard : Hello and thank you for your time to watch the video. In response to your statement, kindly please see the comment posted by meruland below. He has wrote extensively why Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being. There are many controversies regarding the practice of DS. However great masters who practice are reincarnated again as a human. Please do check out Rinpoche's blog for more interesting teachings : www.tsemrinpoche.com
+Kai Lynn Teh anything that causes this much controversy and argument cannot be true Buddhism. This is an illusion and beguiling entity that should be ignored. He is a worldly being not interested in benefiting all sentient beings but in cultivating devotees and harming Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism. Look at what Buddha Shakyamuni teaches first and last.
+Nigel Sheppard Yes Dorje Shugden is beyond mundane and is a Supramundane Protector. :)
+Nigel Sheppard The controversy was not started by Dorje Shugden it was started by the Dalai Lama. The Dalai Lama's escape from Tibet is documented in many books and he was accompanied by monks from Sera Monastery. When the ban first broke, many Sera monks were distraught in disbelief how can the Dalai Lama say such things about Dorje Shugden. It was Dorje Shugden who advised the Dalai Lama to leave for his safety, not Nechung. Why would Sera monks lie? Also what is the result of practicing a mundane being? Many lamas like Trijang Rinpoche and Pabongka Rinpoche returned back this life in perfect human form after practicing the mundane being, why?
+Wai Meng Wan Thank you for your perspective Me Wai .. I have to say when I did Shugden practice I was an incredibly negative angry rage filled person and when I gave this practice up I returned to being a calm serene person.
This is a wonderful discussion to clear up the misunderstanding and illogic.
Thank you for showing with supporting arguments that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being, a Buddha.
Am I enlightened one ? Since you decided it very fast and just by looking the paintings.
Sorry Lobsnag, I don`t get what you said. Who decided it very fast?
So many Tibetans are so angry and frustrated with their exiled communities in India and very angry at their leadership in Dharamsala. But dare not speak out as it would appear to be an attack on Dalai Lama. No one wants to attack the Dalai Lama but there are so many wrongs in the exiled communities. That is why so many Tibetans are leaving for the west where they eventually lose their culture. Being in the west creates a distance with their despised leadership in Dharamsala, North India. Everyone is so tired of all the religious politics. Religion is suppose to bring peace instead more confusion and anger.
Was/is Dorje Shugden one of the Bad Spirits that Padmasambhava converted to the Buddhist Dharma when he came to Tibet from India? Is their any record of any spirit converted by Padmasambhava going back to being bad or evil? My guess is that some bad people who for political reasons, not spiritual, killed some people and fled to communist China. This of course was and is used by China to bash the government-in-exile of Tibet and their leader the Dali Lama. I think the response is also political, making the killers and their communist backers less creditable by banning and demonizing their spiritual path. Seems that Dorje Shugden is still as good as when Padmasambhava converted him but some bad people and their communist supporters are hiding behind him. Have I got it figured out? If not please enlighten me. Thank You.
Dorje Shugden is not a spirit, Addison Smith. Dorje Shugden is emanation of Manjushri also known as Buddha of Wisdom. Prior to arising as the Dharma Protector, Dorje Shugden was Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen a great master and scholar. Please visit this link on Tsem Rinpoche's blogpost to read more about Dorje Shugden and how Tulku Drakpa Gyeltsen arosed as Dorje Shugden www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden.html
Omfg i was literally thinking this exact same thing the other day. Tibetan buddhism needs secularization, skepticism and objectivity to prevent political nonsense like the dalai lama. He is dated. Imo we don't need a buddhist pope.
The 14th dalai lama is not an enlightened being yet as he have been coming back to earth since the 1st dalai lama to help sentient beings..which means he can still make mistakes with his judgement with regards to issues and dorje Shugden, with this I have my answer..
Agreed. Flawed human being with political agenda.
Thank you Pastor David, Pastor David and Li Kim for the clear explanation regarding Dorje Shugden is an enlighten protector or demon. Thank you for sharing this very informative video.
There is no much debate. He is a disciple who failed his masters and a master who failed his disciples.
Who's the master and disciple? How did you come to conclusion that they failed each other?
+Jacinta Goh you know very well
If I were to know, I wouldn't have asked in the first place. 😅. I wonder where did you get the info that they failed each other and who are they that you've mentioned?
very well observation but unfortunately not a complete Research i bliv ...there are some very imp Progression about the Shugden and his transformation as an Normal Peaceful yet highly attained Lama to an aggressive powerful Spirit ..
I hv been discussing this with a freind of mine who is a Monk and many others individuals ...
The question is When u are murdered so brutally will you not wish to be born again and take revenge if it is not in some human form atleast in some other kind of forms like a Spirit in regards to this case? or will you just let it go, ,accept the Brutality and just forgive them the Enemies?
which is the most you think it is likely possible?
With True Compassionate way forgiving even to the person who wants to have you killed or In a rage that you have been killed and now you want your avenge to the person or groups who murdered you?
+Wai Meng Wan. These I omitted in my earlier respond. In short I'm the same thousands of Buddhist you find walking in the street next door.And as to your irritation with some people I hope you remember the story of Lord Atisha. When asked why he tolerated his unruly, ill-mannered servant of his, his answer was, "He's my precious Guru for without him how could I have learned patience".
Yes Atisha's cook is a fine example. How can we possibly train our minds and practice, when everyone is a saint, it is only when we are challenged can we have a glimpse of who we really are.
I like a wise saying I once read. 'With fire We test gold, with gold We test Our servants'. Of coarse all these practices are easier said than done. You & Jacintha at least are fortunate to have a Guru for guidance, I don't.
Where do u reside? Is there no dharma centers where you are? Have you been reading Tsem Rinpoche's blog www.tsemrinpoche.com ?
Thank you for this video posting.
It is clear from the video, that Dorje Shugden cannot be a demon but an enlightened being. Indeed, if He was a demon, many of the highly attained buddhist masters would not have reincarnated back and be recognised by other holy beings.
Dorje Shugden arose from the death of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen who was a contemporary of HH the 5th Dalai Lama and shared the same Buddhist Master HH Panchen Lama Lobsang Chokyi Gyaltsen. who recognised both Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen and HH 5th Dalai Lama. If He can be mistaken in recognising Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen, then who is to say He could not have also mistakenly recognised HH 5th Dalai Lama.
This video has to be watched in its entirety in order to understand the nature of the so-called controversy. Each point of contention by anti-Shugden factions are being explained very lucidly by Pastor David Lai and Pastor Shin Tan.
It makes a lot of sense. Buddhism is a dynamic religion or philosophy as some may call it. It is 'fluid' and blends into people's lives and culture, whatever they are. What I found most intriguing is even the Sage Shakyamuni Buddha never force people to accept what He taught if they had any doubts but to question and ask. (this was 2600 years ago!)
In this 21st Century, people have more access to information and it would be a shame if they do not ask questions but blindly accept what is proferred.
Knowledge is a vital part of dharma practice acquired through reading dharma books and listening to dharma teachings but to gain realisation or wisdom, countless hours are spent meditating or contemplating. Without wisdom, knowledge is just like water in sand...
Thank you for this very interesting and lucid explanation who Dorje Shugden is. And I hope people should be open minded and watch this video and form their own judgement. In the end only Karma wins...
And by the way one does not need to be a scholar or a Buddhist teacher to understand the points discussed in this video. Some may proclaim to be tantric gurus but do not appear to exhibit any wisdom in their posts. To suggest that HHDL led a group to condemn Shugden practice yet deny there is a ban instead they call it an exclusion. Ban or Exclusion - there are discriminations against Shugden practitioners which is state sponsored. What 'democratic' government does that? And by calling it an Exclusion and not a ban, does that excuse the persecutions? Tantric practice is 'secret' and one would expect much more wisdom from such practitioners. When the work of Avalokiteshvara is done, those who abide in the true dharma will be standing with Him and those unfortunates who are ignorant and proud, and (to a certain extent rude) would have reaped their just desserts in samsara.
Before I respond to you I would like you to watch this video and contemplate hard on the contents and without any preconceived notion, then we can talk. www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-dorje-shugden-to-me.html
sorry but i am not convinced , only because certain groups of people recognize something it has not to be true ( i am from germany and can tell a lot about certain groups who had been convinced of a certain formulated truth but history has shown us how wrong it was ) , due to the teachings of Patanjali this is no evidence . so what went wrong either with the dalai lama or with those who keep Dorje Shugden ??? then why do we have two Karmapas ?
Sorry I don't quite get you.
i am talking about the Dorje Shugden bann from the Dalai Lama , how did it come , i saw a lot of suffering because of it . that is why i am asking what went wrong , there must be a mistake either in the decision the Dalai Lama made or something must be wrong with ppl who feel attracted to his worship ( Dorje Shugden ) . that was the first question and the second is : how is it possible that we have two recognized Karmapa
People suffer due to their own karma, many things can trigger their karma. It could be Dorje Shugden ban or it can some other occurrences, there can be many trigger points. Not even the Dalai Lama cannot give us suffering if we actually do not have the karma to suffer. Two karmapas, thats very possible, the higher level the bodhisattvas the more the amount of emanations can manifest, imagine what a Buddha can manifest.
Just my two cents':
Is DS good or evil?
Think:Does the durian(a fruit) smells nice or bad?
From the"Mind Only"school of Mahayan Buddhism,it seems increasingly,(well,to me at least),that there is no such thing as objectivity,only subjectivity,especially if one dwells deeper and deeper into "reality".
I'm sorry to say, Please. Nobody can say he is "Buddha", except Load Buddha himself. As the highest respect.
If you can be "Aradhan''. I will follow your path. You are as good as a Buddha Teaching. Thank you.
In some regions in India, we also call our ansestor who has done great in his time as deity over a living form. We call them kuldevta. But it is some risky because other beings instead of ancestor or with ancestors may also come. Musical instruments also plays its role in this activity.
But people call them as because of love for their ancestors. Or as annual rituals.
The problem typical in Mahayana Buddhism is the urged to create something out of nothing and have it debated over the next millennium as in the case with Prasangika and Svatantra Madhyamika. Have been wondering whether Arya Nagarjuna would have penned his MulaMadhyamika Karikas if he had known this would happened? If in doubt go back to the Tripitakas for guidance, the very core of Sakyamuni's teaching, period!
+Svaha Dear Svaha its nice to read your comment, can you please explain your comment in details. really interested to read your writings.
+Svaha We all know that Buddha did not immediately teach after His enlightenment because He knows that most of the 'human' could not comprehend the vastness of it. My point, even perhaps Arya Nagarjuna realized the situation that will happen in future, but, ,anyway He continued to teach what he knew with great compassion. We will not be able to comprehend the vast knowledge of the truth but He taught anyway.
the debate on dorge shugdeb (ds) has gone totally out of hand. Buddhism is about the teachings of the lord buddha who has reached enlightenment. pls read carefully the Buddha teachings. HH the dalai lama is correct is his edict the worshipping of DS is deity worshipping and hence outside the scope of mainstream Buddhism. comparatively, in other religions too, worshipping of other deities is frown upon or forbidden. if this is allowed, then followers of religion become devotees of deities. undeniably many devotees have had benefitted from DS and that is their personal choice. but to criticize HH the dalai lama who rightly disallowed worship of DS as part of Tibetan Buddhist, is shallow thinking even misguided. that goes for so called Buddhist pastors, rinpoches or other wiseguys. in short, Buddhism is the religion on teachings of the Lord Buddha, nothing more, nothing less. those who claimed otherwise can be termed as deviants.
Can people who take refuge in a non enlightened deity like DS, can they gain a perfect human rebirth again? Can relying on objects which are not worthy of being Buddhist refuge bring you rebirth that is not of the lower realms? The Dalai Lama had Gelug tutors since the formation of Gaden Phodrang, many of whom who practiced Dorje Shugden, to even suggest Dorje Shudgen is an unenlightened deity, then the previous Dalai Lamas prior to the 14th also had teachers who were deity worshippers.
For your information Dalai Lama still denies in the West that he started a ban/edict on Dorje Shugden, so I don't think your views represent the Dalai Lama's. Dorje Shugden is a manifestation of Buddha Manjushri.
There is a vast array of common popular opinions that cover MANY religious systems, and these often misconstrue actual ancient traditional writings in order to 'force' some reading of things. HH the Dalai Lama appears to me, to be attempting to manipulate what Universal Divinities want to, or intend, doing, by constantly stressing this idea of 'peace' apparently, at any price.
This is similar to the figure of 'the rider on the white horse' in the Book of Revelation in the Christian system, and modern people continuously over-work the idea that the Christian Divinity is ONLY about peace, whereas this is not only, not correct in terms of text, but a misunderstanding of terminology: 'Prince of Peace' does not mean 'does not make war;' in fact, the 'rider on the white horse' is an utterly devastating war-maker prosecuting enormous global violence but ON BEHALF OF GOD. 'I come with a sword' is hardly the saying of someone ONLY talking about 'peace peace' all the time and nothing else. ...Although necessarily, it is a complex matter to comprehend.
To my mind, the ideas of these videos above, are not 'one-sided' and stilted, but are logical and exhaustive, and expound a sound perception of reality as it IS, and not as people are inventing to suit themselves.
Peace is the natural response to Unconditional Love. War comes from a lack of Compassion and focus upon service to others. Even Dorje Shugden says human beings should concentrate upon keeping the Mind and Heart pure, free from jealousy, greed and hatred. His Holiness is merely emulating the teachings of the Dharma.
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@@libertine40 You know, funny thing - I was personally born and grew up, right there, in the Pahang Mountain forests... Fact. ; )
It was my kind of 'joke.' They said 'HIMalayan Mountains,' right...
...I must have mis-heard.
War comes from Evil. And Evil is to be decisively destroyed; we do not love Evil unconditionally - in fact, we do not love it, at all. The Dalai Lama is wrong.
+Meng Wan. Yes, the Kunu or Negi Lama Tenzin Gyaltsen from the Kinnaur valley of Himachal Pradesh. Perhaps a Dharmabanaka (lay tantric practitioner) but definitely a Vidyadhara (wisdom-holder). Sanskrit and classical Tibetan scholar, known foremost for his humble piety and great compassion. A great person, Santideva of this era.
Dorje Shugden is not Buddha.
Hi Linda Chee, how did you come to such conclusion?
Hmm, perhaps not; albeit evidence suggests otherwise. Well, we can agree though that the 14th Dalai Lama is not a Buddhist; a Buddhist does not consume flesh, nor do they advocate violence. Amitabh
tq all my dorje shugden tem we love dorje shugden
+Jacintha Goh. Never did accuse of anyone being paid to do the job, the word 'unless' is stated in the sentence and understanding the context from the angle I'm coming from will help clarify my statement. No commotion and not pointing at whose right or wrong. Matter of fact if you read through all my comments, I'm asking reasons for all these commotion? Slavery - you've to know how to distinguish the difference between social laws and divine laws before passing it off for the sake of comparison. Milk and water are both liquid but again are entirely different in nature and intrinsic value. Be weary, lack of understanding leads to wrong views which leads to ignorance; one of two obscurations preventing the accumulation of merits.
respected and most admired Tsem Rinpoche la and your esteemed students. i have been listening and analyzing you and your teachings many years and you helped many people through your precious teachings including me. i appreciate it.but from the past few years, there are some confusion with shugden. i really dont know whether you are practicing it for ur own well being or your own benifit to practice dharma.if its for you own good, its ok no problem what so ever the case is but you know Rinpoche, think of your students, are they really qualified to? i expect answer. people are good and true to their heart but do you really think that what you really told to your students is true to their heart? if yes then what about the teachings of the BUDDHA?was that the teachings of dorjee shugden to protect you or was that the buddha to lead us the stages of enlightenment? for you rinpoche la. i was shocked to see in your new temple that dorjee shugden staue is bigger than the buddha statue in your new temple. isnt its buddhism or shugdism? i reallly doubt but without any excuses or blaming, lets just end that rinpoche la please undersand that how we six millions suffer due to people who use shugden. BA. BAN BAn BAn. for six milloins people its not gud for us but what abt the rest few people including you n your disciple rinpoche la. please i beg you teach dharma not to make money or help from the so called wisdom buddha . are you sure wisdom buddh? teach dharma. DHARMA.
+Choeden Tashi The way have said it is before Rinpoche came out as a Dorje Shugden practitioner he is a Buddha and enlightened and now after knowing he is a Dorje Shugden practitioner he is not enlightened anymore? I am one of Rinpoche's students, I have practiced the Dorje Shdugen practice, it only benefits and helps us to do more on our spiritual path. In Wisdom Hall and this has been said many times before the Shakyamuni is not really to be placed permanently there, it should be shifted to gompa at the front of KFR. Buddha practices dharma 24x 7.
+Choeden Tashi I am Dorje Shugden practitioner since one year now...hope you are a Vajrayana practitioner, if not is not easy to understand way of Vajrayana, I realize by myself Dorje Shugden is enlightened being because so much spiritual benefits i got since i start practicing... about the big statue and small statue, i saw many have problem with this, I see statues are as five elements as same as our bodies and things around us, they will decay some day for sure, we should not flight or worried our minds on some thing decaying..We should remember that buddhas mind is not something decaying... I don't think Sakyamuni Buddha Dharmakaya face will be small seen his statue is small and Dorje Shugden , who was Sakyamuni Buddhas student in many previous incarnations, statue is bigger ... Buddhas have no ego or any, Up most respect for buddha is in our hearts... 'letting go' is teachings from Buddha, practicing letting go and following Buddhas teaching is the highest respect that we give for buddha, in Abidharma text buddha says when the time come for our enlightenment we have to let go buddha and even the dharma to attain enlightenment...also I like to say there is nothing wrong about we calling enlightened beings as BUDDHA, In Sanskrit meaning of BUDDHA is " enlightened one" ..... it is nice to hear that you got benefits from Tsem Rinpoche teachings as many had, including me, Keep it up ...I wish you may the jewels of Dharma penetrate deep in to you and realization raise within... may the Buddhas and bodhisattvas in ten direction bless you and guide you always. _/\_
kali yuga... end of dharma age.... money power position sex political position etc...
buddha said question if you doubt....
defination of fool ...buddha also said seeing the truth feeling the truth and still believing the lies is a fool.
That is the truth of the samsara. If we do not get enlightened, we are still being trapped in this cycle continuously. :)
+Christine So Khapa dont follow dorge shugden please .we dont follow siprit we follow only Nalandha bhuddist .His holiness himself accept shugden is only a distroyer of pure Nalandha bhuddist ...
There is a reason Gautama never taught all of these.
As a Hindu this issue does not make any difference to me. But it is painful to see this great tibetan buddhism in such doldrums. Hope this issue gets solved as soon as possible. Both the parties should sit together, refer to texts or decide any other appropriate way to resolve this issue amicably. As a Hindu I have best wishes for buddhism.
Dear Anand, Thank you very much for your wishes and may all sit down to iron out all these issues.
Shame that David Lai does not know much history. Galdan Boshigt was Western Mongol king, the kingdom was called Zuungar/Jungaria, who at some point was a monk and was residing in Tibet. Western Mongols were supporters of Gelugpa.
So the Eastern Mongolians were not Gelugpas?
Thank you very much... This was very much educating and enlightening... Dorje Shugden's practices can't be evil... He is truly BUDDHA...
Sameer Bomdzon Knowledge is the key to clear up any confusion. It is also important that we question the subject matter with an open mind. Happy that you can see things through.
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Jacinta Goh
+Shane J. I'm not for or against anyone therefor I've no comment of who or whatever anybody chooses to believes or follows, that is their birth right. My point here is simply a question of whether there is a need for all these disharmonies in a faith with already such small band of followers? And we all know scenarios like these usually starts from the people right on top followed by those with little understand of what's really going on or the masses who have no understanding of the religion itself. Example, I've heard and read miracles happening if one invoke such and such a deity. Do they know why the Buddha was here in the first place and what was he teaching in all the 45 years of His ministry? He taught and advocate just one thing and that is contain in the 'Four Noble Truth'. The one and only miracle Buddhist should concern themselves with is the eradication of sufferings from all sentient beings. Believe me, easier said than done! Forget about all other sentient beings, if only the human realm can be free of sufferings that itself is a grand feat and a true miracle to reckon with. Someone out there unknowingly is downgrading their belief into a folk lore. What a mess. These are the types one has to be very weary of or you'll have the blind leading the blind to Timbuktu. .
There is disharmony stemming from such an issue, but please bear in mind that the ban or discrimination stemming was not started from Dorje Shudgen people and organisations. Buddha's teaching is about the eradication of causes of suffering, sometimes before we talk about dharma, we sometimes need to help solve the problem at hand, and once the problem is resolved the practitioner can then embark on a his spiritual journey, this where Dharma Protector practice can be of benefit to many others.
Pehar Gyalpo bound by Padmasambava, IN SERVICE OF DHARMA …. He was a high level monk who was initiated into spiritual Sindhis but failed to cleanse himself of his ego influence, he therefore possesses power within his second body, he was a waste to dharma unless bound. This current end of the age of Kali sees Pehar Gyalpo,trying to manovre himself into a favourable position in order to break free from the bound by dharma oath that Padmasambva placed on him … time not to give him Deity status but prepare to rebound him to dharma, it would seem this is harder than it seems as the capacity of the being that bound him is not currently present in this world
Seria extraordinário se os videos tivessem legendas em português. Ha muitos praticantes Kadampa no Brasil que não falam inglês, e eles seriam imensamente beneficiados com essas palestras. É um pedido que faço aos divulgadores desses vídeos: Por favor, tentem organizar legendas em português.
Gratidão a todos. Namastê!
Hello, Paulo thanks for the nice words.Do you know anyone good in translating from English to Portugese?
No...
Wai Meng Wan maybe I could help.
What if shudgen is a bodhisattva instead?
Hi, the Enlightened Dharma Protector, Gyalchen Dorje Shugden is an emanation of Buddha of Wisdom, Buddha Manjushri whereby the Buddha of Wisdom emanate in this deity form to benefit all beings in the samsara. Just like Dharmapala Setrap to protect the Buddha's teaching and the practitioners of the teaching. Here is a link for introduction on Dorje Shugden and if you have already know about this Great Dharmapala, there are more articles in details with regards of Dorje Shugden and it's practice. www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/beginners-introduction-to-dorje-shugden.html
The Chinese playing the divide and rule card, demon or god does not matter what matters is the unity against the oppressed of the beautiful land called Tibet
the only degenerator of this "truth" is the interviewer..
How so?
The truth is presented very clearly in the video, why do you say so?
+Jacintha Goh. The point was succinctly spoken in the Kalama Sutta, in the passage 'Access to Insight' by Lord Sakyamuni Himself on types of teachers, teaching, scriptures. logic, traditions etc, to follow. Please check it out for yourself. I am telling you this cause you are follower of the Gelupa school, who's teaching is direct from Lord Sakyamuni in the Vinaya tradition. If you were from the Nyingma, Sakya or Kagyu whose teaching are directly from Guru Rinpoche, Virupa and Naropa respectively and hence Tantric in nature I would have commented slightly differently in terms of the social aspect but the Divine teachings remain as it should be... pure, unscathed.
Thanks for the suggestion...
Jacintha Goh. Wasn't suggesting anything, merely telling you the points I made earlier wasn't from me but the Buddha himself. I don't do 'copy and paste' stuff.
At least your knowledge will benefit someone like me and to those who will see this post.
So my question is why does H.H. 14th Dali Lama not want this practiced?
Head off to here www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/to-sum-it-up.html
+Wai Meng Wan. "Neither you nor them'. Sino-Tibeto politic. And you are neither Tibetan nor Mainland Chinese, just a lay follower of Tibetan Buddhism. In fact I would say 99% of people posting their comments here ain't even eligible to speak up for Tibet or China, why get so worked up in matters totally unrelated to you? If you have faith in your deity or protector no one can take it away from you least fighting over a 'mere ban' on your believe. And even if it had where's your practice of 'Tonglen'(Giving and Receiving), as Tibetan Buddhist it must have been your core teaching and practice?? Unless of coarse you are an employee paid to do the advertising. Or perhaps you are dreaming you are the warrior protecting Suchandra the King of Shamballa?
Svaha, whoooaaahhh, please hold your horses! What's the commotion here? I've known Wai Meng for quite sometime, let's give both a credit on this though! Both of you are defending on what seemed right to you both. I can reassure you that he is not an employee being paid for this. Perhaps it's time for personal reflection and do respect that there's no one here wanted disharmony. However, this issue is raised as we have seen the illogical of its ban. Just like the slavery in America, what deemed to be right is condemned as wrong now. Sadhu
Hi Svaha, I do think you are quite learned and studied, thank you for sharing your post and the dharma you have learnt. My teacher Tsem Rinpoche is a Dorje Shudgen practitioner, and so am I, and I got the practice from TSem Rinpoche. Yes I am neither Mainland Chinese nor am I a Tibetan, though the conflict does not affect me adversely like Tibetans in India, I have lost 'friends' since they found out i practice Dorje Shugden. I believe Dorje Shudgen is not just a merely an ordinary dharma protector, he does bring you closer towards Je Tsongkhapa's lineage. Having seen how beneficial Dorje Shugden is to many people, I also do want more people to get help from Dorje Shudgen, so the sooner this ban against Dorje Shudgen is resolved the sooner Dorje Shudgen practice pervades the world, and the more Tsongkhapa's teachings will be accessed by more people.
Thanks my dhrma sisters and brothers.. so nice
+Tenni Jim Hello Tenni Jim, thank you for your kind comment. We hope this video clarifies the controversy surrounding Dorje Shugden. Please do visit His Eminence Tsem Rinpoche's personal blog for more inspiration: www.tsemrinpoche.com
i feel every action has a consequences.after studying for sometime about god dorje sugden i found that he was killed because he was more popular than the dalai lama at his time .that was the most wrong thing that a lamas could do and after that incident after many many years dalai lama him self and the followers had to leave their own country or manastry and had to suffer .so moral of the story lama dorje sugden was a pure soul .my sixth sense tells me this .
A real buddha can tame demons and make them work for dharma, but dalai lama is not a buddha!
The Dalai Lama I feel he wants bring Dorje Shugden to the world using the ban on Dorje Shugden. It seems counterintuitive but that is the truth.
dalai lama is a samaya-breaker! a demon!
Remember [Coffee][Yeah!][Shake]Not in the sky,nor in mid-ocean, nor in a mountain cave, is found that place from (the consequences)of one's EVIL deed. sadhu sadhu sadhu to all
+Jacinta Goh You are absolutely right, no one said he did wrong. Arya Shantideva, Saraha, Aryadeva and the likes wrote and taught out of compassion in order to benefit all sentient beings. Problem are us, just look at how we have divided an otherwise pure path into groups fighting each other. Sorry for saying this but when I say 'we' I don't mean lay followers but 'some of those supposedly sitting on the high throne'. I would like to think most lay followers are simply 'blind followers'. Imagine taking the Bodhisattva vow just because 'my guru' said so! Tell me, how many of us have read, scrutinized and understood the Bodhicaryavatara before jumping into the vows?? Its like getting a Brahmin initiated into the order without even knowing the names of the 10 Upanishads in running order. Sorry, the Truth hurts, the Truth always hurts. You wrote about knowledge clearing confusion, haven't you acquire the knowledge yet to see all these thru and thru?
You have your points there...
Discussion amongst people who can't even pronounce names of incarnates and incarnation line properly.a bit of joke here
Dorji Lew That’s not the point here right? Whether the pronunciation is correct or otherwise, it will not override the logic behind it.
there are high lamas/rinpoche do say d.s. is demon. as i said. its depends on a person (to whom is the rinpoche students). to me d.s. is a wisdom deity, to the other person is a demon. i did not say all people say d.s is a demon.
If in that case, what do you think of DS? For you, is DS a demon as claimed?
R these people Tibetan ...or very high scholars or very highly known masters...who r these people??..many great masters from all traditions of vajrayana are of the opinion that shugden is a evil spirit... please clear yourself first ..you people need to learn
Is Dorje Shugden is evil, surely a wrathful fire puja would have solved Dorje Shugden? Also I think the person who needs to learn is you. Check out what happened in the Gelug monasteries, why is there a split amongst the Gelug monasteries. Most of the lemmings jumping off the cliffs also think they are right, are you a lemming also?
@@wanwaimeng i don't need to learn because what happened in the tibet is the clear result of it and by the way were you there when fire ritual was performing..
Do you know who is H. H. The Dalai Lama’s guru? Check it out.. His reincarnation is back and H. H. Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche even gave Dorje Shugden sogtae.
@@gohjacinta28 tibetan Buddhism is a pure lineage of nalanda tradition but today some people are turning this pure lineage into spirit worship...and worshipping these spirits or even buddha won't give you enlightenment...you have to do it yourself
When you start follow you will know.
you decide
That's right. To each his/her own belief. Respect that.
its hard to say. its depends on the individual. of cause the pastors will say he is a buddha because their guru say so. if ask other people may be they will say he's a demon.
Do you have evidence proving Dorje Shugden is a demon? - Do high lamas who practice demonology or demon practice come return back with a perfect human body, recognized by the Dalai Lama and the monastic institution as well?
+Shane J. Have you ever heard the Dalai Lama himself saying 'anyone talking against him or acting against his wishes are been hellbounded or cursed at'?. It's people who puts these claims on his behalf, people who lacks the understanding of Buddhism, in fact I should say in all religions for that matter. I also see lots of foreigners, non-Tibetans being caught up in this spider-web of Tibetan politics, forgetting their own root. I can imagine these could well be the same groups I usually see wearing a huge turquoise around their necks believing their parents are some nomadic Khampa warriors from the highlands of Eastern Tibet or custodians of Shamballa. If they can't distinguished between belief and race, dream and reality how on earth do you expect them to propagate anything right to the world? When a religion absorbed such groups its when it gets into trouble. Please read my posting in 'Is Buddha Lucifer', another half boiled egg who gave up answering my questions against his divine claims.
Hi.. perhaps you should visit here before you go on further to comment on this. www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-dalai-lama-speaks-clearly-about-the-dorje-shugden-ban.html
dear Svaha, I really appreciate your very clear understanding about spider web of Tibetan politics.. I have read your this comment many time to understand where you stand and what you trying to express from your words. saying 'anyone talking against him or acting against his wishes are been hell bounded or cursed at'? this kind of sayings also i hear in bible saying who ever pray to different gods will go to hell for eternity.. can you give me your comment on what you think about Dorje shugden ban. Also pls give your posting links on 'Is Buddha Lucifer', another half boiled egg who gave up answering my questions against his divine claims.
let me say this way well i will try my best to resolve the confusion.
actually this isnt too easy as it is look like nor can be simply go to the past incarnation and say that shugden was once a great Soul and can never be born in his next or in the future life as an Distruction Spirit? well i mean this makes no sense rite? ...its just that like we as an normal human being ....we see people changes according to the situation some people chose the good and peace luving and compassionate... life and some chose to find the best resource to develop oneself no matter if he or she has to kill sumone or hurt someone while he feels betrayed or thinks the world is against him and if he dont fight back he will not survive rite ...True or Not?
so what i am saying is if Shugden is the one among enlightened ones then its different case but many Says He isnt an enlightened one ...and thats the most Interesting part many experts fails to resolve it....
Many people can say this or that, based on their knowledge. But my experience with Dorje Shugden and many of my colleagues is that Dorje Shugden helps us to traverse the Tsongkhapa's practices and teachings. With Dorje Shugden in our lives, it helps us to practice Dharma even much much more.
Dorjshugden is 5 th Dalai lama of the Mongolia
Dorje shugden is actually a spirit
eric woody, Hi, not sure how you come to this conclusion but hopefully not just blindly listen to some statement made by certain parties. We should made our own research and study before we make such an allegation especially against diving beings. You can check a huge selection of works, articles about dorje shugden from this link,
www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/category/dorje-shugden. Read with an open and unbiased mind.
but these are supporters1,no?
Supporters, Lee Jim?
+Wai Meng Wan. There are but my ideal Guru would be someone like the Kunu Lama whom unfortunately, lived in a different era.
Do you mean this lama -> Khunu Lama Tenzin Gyaltsen?
Demon, Drakpa Gyaltesn himself said it from his own mouth that he was a gelug Dhamsi (vow breaking spirit)
Trijinag Rinpoche also calls him dhamsi, dogyal in his own book.
+Buddhist Warrior I really don't think Trijang Rinpoche would call Dorje Shudgen a negative being and carry on practicing it till the end of his previous life. Explain how Trijang can practice a negative spirit and reincarnate back as a human with perfect rebirth and senses? Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche was recognised by both the Dalai lama and Dorje Shudgen in trance.
Enlightening =)
wcangel Excellent, maybe your undistorted efforts will change the world.
wcangel I respect that, bow to no man or thing.
What would Buddha do? (about your cause)
something to think about =)
wcangel Well said/written. I guess the truth and time will allow the truth to illuminate all this at the right time. I appreciate the detailed explanation. You have given me much to contemplate. May Buddha Bless Us All.
BHUMA Metta and Namaste =)
So where was Dorje Shugden hiding when Tibetan monasteries were being destroyed and Lamas murdered in the 50s. by the red army ? or am I just showing my ignorance here ?
Hi Johnny Henderson
, no one should be blamed for the incidents happened during the 50s and we must understand that what happened, happening and will be happened are all due to our common, interdependent karma. We are not attained and have no clairvoyance to look behind all the reasons for these to be happened. If I'm thinking like you, should I ask the question where are other dharma protectors, for example Nechung during the incident happened? In fact we get to know that Dorje Shugden is the one who play a vital role in protecting the H.H 14th Dalai Lama safely escape from Tibet unharmed by the intruders so that until today people's are able to receive teaching from His Holiness. We can see from the history, regardless of islam, christian, hindu etc. Countries, community, culture have been invaded, destroy, manipulated and create suffering to others due to ignorance, hatred, greed, jealousy and desire. The incident happened in the 50s as alleged by you is an important lesson to us to contemplate whereby the the whole country, religions and Lamas destroyed/sacrificed/murdered due to the three poisons. If you understand the concept of Karma and dharma protector correctly, I believe your question will be totally different. Do visit Tsem Rinpoche's blog @ www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/category/dorje-shugden . I wish you and the people around you to have peace and happiness.
I love DS and wanna statue.
+Jacinta Goh. Knowledge largely comes from your own interest, like the Tathagatagarbha that exist within all. Its not an entangle hierarchy. I bet you would not want to try the food I cooked or request teaching from your Guru on how to wheel and deal in business, just not our interest and may well end up in disaster.
Knowledge can be our own interest or it can be from our past experiences.
It's a demon, definitely
LockedPig Czacza Do you know that His Holiness the 5th Dalai Lama enthroned and propitiated Dorje Shugden before? Here is the prayer composed by the 5th Dalai Lama. www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/one-minute-story/the-great-5th-dalai-lamas-special-prayer-to-dorje-shugden
Maybe you can read the stories here on how Dorje Shugden arose as Dharma Protector here www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/downloads/the-fifth-dalai-lama-dorje-shugden.html And then, do read this article on His Holiness Panchen Lama. Although it’s about H.H. Panchen Lama bit the story line goes along the way with the issue of Dorje Shugden. Take your time and read carefully, particularly the part on “Inconsistent or Skilful Means?” Inside this article, you’ll find out why a high Lama, an enlightened being such as H.H. the Dalai Lama will acted upon in such a way that brings discomfort to many parties. Instead of the controversial part, we should think further on the reason why His Holiness is seems to be making “mistake”. Did he or did he not?
Dalai Lama is the demon he was practicing Dorje shugen
Hi Richard. I will not address a person who has saved and benefits thousands of people as such. Be it right or wrong, it will not be good. Good demeanor is much more appreciative here. However, you are right that H.H. Dalai Lama practiced Dorje Shugden in His early days and He even wrote a prayer here www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-14th-dalai-lamas-prayer-to-dorje-shugden.html
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Thank you for showing with supporting arguments that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being, a Buddha.