Arrma Granite is a Tank
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I just bought a this vehicle as a result of research and the timely offering of a payment plan on Amazon with no interest.
I tried 2 of the MJX vehicles first, the H16BM had a diff fail within a month (on 3s with only mild bashing) then i got the H14BM which lost 2 hex screws because a rock jammed the steering arm. Then a rear wheel arm (whatever that bottom section is called) got loose and the pin keeps wanting to fall out, which is probably from wiping out 2 or 3 times on asphalt at top 3S speed. I upgraded with 25mm wheel spacers, which got much better stability.
But the MJX is still sorta toy grade, never can trim properly to drive straight.
I enjoy the MJX 14301 for drift. The Infraction seems to be a money-pit that i can't afford, so i went with the Granite BLX. I can already tell I'm going to enjoy replacing the diffs with the easy access part you didn't mention in your video. I don't think they even talked about that feature on the Amazon product page.
I'm not a seasoned mechanic, and i had to draw a picture of the 14301 and tape the screws to various areas of the picture, so i can remember where all the different screw sizes go while waiting 5 days for a new spur.
Great video, I'm glad to see this Granite can take a beating, since this is my first 1:10 scale, and there will be a learning curve, since I'm new to the hobby.
Glad you like the video. Ya I didn’t really realize quite how easy it was to work on for this video. Much easier than the mix I agree. The servos are junk in the hypergos and I believe that’s one reason it won’t go straight. I widened my hypergo H14BM not too long ago if you haven’t seen that video. Actually I also just widened a granite. That’s pretty sweet too.
I am new to RC, but I can already tell this is gonna be my fav channel. Very entertaining and informative, slick edits and no beating around the bush. Except when its for durabiliti testing, of course! Keep up the great work, Max & Evan!
Thanks man! I’ve got quite the catalog you can watch at your leisure.
We have fun making the videos and super happy everyone has fun watching!
Fact!! 😂
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GUN TO HEAD, YOU CAN HAVE 1 : BRUSHLESS STAMPEPE OR THIS ?
SEMPER FI
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@BOOSTEDLASER I don’t have a stampede so under that pressure I’d say this! Lol
Awesome vid n nice air
Nice, let's watch 👍
So the most common question. Granite or MT10? 😂
Haha! Still a tough question to answer. I’ll be doing comparison video/s with this and the rival and redcat mt10. All have amazing qualities!
Those 3 are on my short list of gonna buy one ASAP....That's only when I can decide tho!
Haha! Eventually I’ll do a comparison on all 3 but not sure when as I have 5 new RC review videos minimum next on the list. So many new cars in Spring season!
Mt 10
@@DerbyCityRCu convinced me to get the granite I have the mt10 which I like very much it’s light and jumps so I hope this will be a good basher as well
Making it my sons first big rc car. I'm excited, more than him. Watched 2000 hours of videos just to learn about rcs, lipo batteries, chargers, connectors, smart batteries, tools, your channel is my favorite. Thank you
awesome!! Thanks man! 😊😊 hope you both enjoy!!
All their cars are some of the best. I have a few! No I’m not a fan boy I have about 12 cars. And 5 are Arrma!
Good video mate. You really can't go wrong with one of these. I know whenever I get ask what to buy when 1st starting out bashing I always suggest a 3s Arrma or the Team Associated Rival MT10. There's truly a lot of fun and value for money in rigs like these. They are tough, easy to work on and have plenty of parts availability. Basically everything you could want 💯
Yes the rival has been a long time favorite and this one and the redcat mt10e are both freshly favorites as well now!
I looked at the Granite for a while a couple years ago and discovered the Big Rock to be even better. Definitely doesn't have the tip over problem with its stance! Big Rock was our first Arrma and still gets a ton of use to this day.
Awesome! I’ve almost gotten the big rock a few times now!
Great vid Evan. This Granite is so fun and takes a pounding…obviously. The thing jumps and stunts so nice! Widening the stance is a nice mod and the wing saves the body….Gonna run mine tonight. !
Thanks Phil! Ya it was awesome and I’ll be doing the mod for sure. What did you use, talion arms?
@@DerbyCityRC Typhon 3s arms. I have a video showing it…
Thanks, I’ll check that out!
Been watching your vids for a while and just subscribed.
Love the genuine and honest style that comes over in your content! The Granite is a beast!
Thanks man I appreciate it!
can't wait for the rough session....
a must do with those slipper clutch from arrma is to seal it for sand where the spur is. otherwise motors get stuck and spurs get shredded, A metal spur is important too but if you run on sand and dirt the sealing is a must.
Lol me too.
That’s a good tip.
Thanks! Likely won’t see sand but it will see dirt.👍
Not sure if you have ever listed it, what type of hex bits do you use
I haven’t found a set I really like yet lol
I’m going to be doing a video on things like that soon. I do have some hand tools coming in that I’ll be testing out. For now these are the ones I have: amzn.to/3PLT2zp
Your reviews are the best and the real world pavement bashing is absolutely the best way to see if a RC vehicle is truly durable.
I can't believe the massive cart wheel at 1:40. worlds record. Great jobs landing off the ramp. Thanks for sharing. Arrma tough 💪 💯💯👍👍
Ya it was crazy! Lol
Would have been the world record if it wasn't for that dam tree that got in the way
for sure@@peteralbury7724
I love your channel keep up the good work.
Thanks! No plans to slow down!!
It is quite interesting that a 3200KV motor can deliver so much power.
But why? Why you didn’t wait for Max?!! 😁 nice test as always and with happy kids around 👍😊👍
Haha! Wife was ready to go right then lol
Thanks and thanks!!!
Hello! :-)
can you make a video of how to control the car flipping in the air??
Hi. Actually I’ll be working on a video with that in it very soon!
@@DerbyCityRC Can you also make a video about the things that the viewers would ask you..
for example: WHY?
Do RC cars have rear wheels crooked?
I’ll get into as much as I can!
Jus wanna say thank you for your help on 2995 tires...much better bigger , 3s battery ..Yes please!!! So so much more fun again thank you love you n your lil mans vids!!!👊❤️🔥
I agree those tires are great!
You’re welcome and thanks for always tuning in!
Next video. Can you compare it to the latest Traxxas Stampede 4x4?
0:55 i Just wanted to take a second to say, you're most humble youtuber i know 😅😂🤣
Haha! I could do that 50 times in a row if I wanted 🤣not!
WOW! This thing has some punch to it!
Very much punchy!!!
That was quite the tumble wumble!
Thought it would never end lol!
Love your vids, bro, always put smile on my face, was that an heuy cop, & sherman tank 🤔,,hey your son dos good jumps, shame on me, still don't know how to back flip 😱😱lol,Love to see your kids enjoying life, oh to be a kid again, 😁👍
That’s awesome, man! Thanks for telling me! 😊
I’m not sure what type of chop chop or tank, but they sure are cool!
Yes he’s getting the hang of the backflips.
Just takes practice and a powerful enough motor with heavy enough tires!
No kidding! Even to be 25 again! 🤣
Broke it on the first ride ,,,wait 4 months for the parts ,,,broke again wait another 4 months huge lag in the Stering département if some one offer me 100$ its is ,,,,but i guess if its the only rc you have you think its good over the 100 rc i have this one is my biggest dissapointment. Broke the tower suspension broke the suspension cant keep oil in the suspension i Will stop here i Just dont understand why no body call it for what it is ,,,,a lemon😮
Your experience isn’t the norm. I have a ton of RCs and this is still one of my favorites. Dont break it often at all, so I do call it for what it is. I know there are others who don’t have good luck so I understand and sorry your experience with it is bad.
Verry good man👍
What about this truck😀
I found on ebay for 300$
I looking 1/10 scale
Man i need your help to buy good and strong 10scale truck😊
Or recommend me arround 300$ if u think is better
Tnx man
This, and the Arrma vorteks are great 1:10 scales for $330. The rival MT10 is good too!
I love your channel. Rcs are about having fun especially with children. I own a couple of traxxases and need a fun durable basher. I was thinking of the these little chinese bashers hbx 16889a pro but they are getting expensive. They are almost half the price of an arrma granite. Do you think it is a better choice to just buy the granite and skip the hbx16889a pro?
Thanks!! Both the cars are awesome in their own way. Personally I like having the hbx also. Wait for a good sale and I’d say snatch up the hbx if you think it looks fun to you!
I just realized its Truck Month at Horizon and I can pick a granite up for 260.00. Im very much considering getting it. it looks amazing thanks alot for the vid. I just got me an aeroscout plane so now I need me a truck
Awesome man! Yes that’s a killer deal! I posted about it a few days ago! Love my granite! bit.ly/4708BvD
Yes, that link helps us out. I’m shameless! 🤣
Landscaping mesh with the smallest amount of shoe goo on the top screws to cover the fans is working great on my RC s . Cut it to shape , lay it on .a couple minutes later give it a push to make sure . I was going to use steel screen but blades of grass can still go through. There’s still an 1/8 on the sides for stuff to get in but I haven’t noticed anything on the k6s in three months or the rlaarlo .
Nice tip!! Thanks!
One of the top go to channels for durability testing , upgrades and general good information on RC cars . This is a great reason to support this channel in any way you can . A like , a sub or whatever feels right .
Thanks man! I always appreciate that!! 😊
This was a really well shot and well edited video! Loved it, keep it up and thanks for all the information you provide!
Thanks so much man and you’re welcome!
This car destroys MJX !
It cost more. But definitely awesome monster truck !!
Yes the way the mjx is now, the Granite is better, minus no center diff. But I did add a center diff to one and it’s not bad to do at all!
I was jumping this thing 50 feet in the Air summer of 2018 with an upgraded brushless system before they came out with the BLX and it survived countless 40 plus feet landings!
Oh, and what make you more proud, Max’s back flip at 5:23 or hitting a home run? 😮
Yes it’s been amazingly durable!
Well that wasn’t his first backflip, but man is he getting good at air controls! Can’t pin it down! 🤣
Oh and I picked that color before I saw the video… it’s different. Everybody does green and black
It’s weird I hadn’t seen many green/black ones, but it won best color on the poll I did lol Nice pick!!
That kart-wheel lasted FOREVER!
Lol man I tell you!
I made that cartwheel into a short a couple days ago I was so impressed lol. If that tree didn’t stop it, what you saw wouldn’t have even been half of it lol. Still had a lot more hill to go down and into a creek possibly 🤣
Safety first! Our kids love that veterans park. Awesome video man!
First time I’ve been in over 10 years since our old house was in the south and we always went to Iroquois park. I never knew they remodeled this one til we got there last week. Couldn’t believe how nice it was.
Thanks!
@@DerbyCityRC we will definitely be heading there this year. Never thought bringing my toys there.... 🤔
Not a world class RC spot but had a few nice spots away from the crowds
That is a tough RC. I have wondered about it too, never know if that may be one of my next RCs! Great video Evan!!
Yes it’s a tank!
Thanks Brad!! 😃
Good stuff
Thanks!!
Nice first bash. IMO nothing beats the Granite’s air control. So well balanced in the air, pulls more flips with less air than just about any other RC AND just as importantly, you can stop and control the flips really well thanks to the light weight. The only other RC I’m interested in is a Tekno MT410 (also light weight and great in the air).
I agree! The rival mt10 and the redcat mt10e can’t even get close to a backflip on 2s and the granite got it about 95% and still landed it.
Definitely a great choice for anyone!
I’m pretty new to rc cars I bought the arrma big rock and the granite the steering servo went out in the big rock one the 5 battery pack. And the granite I just bought the steering servo went out on it with 3 battery packs.
Dang that stinks. No issues here yet
Damn bro, that was awesome! Remind me how many kids you have again? 😂Man you do a great job keeping it all together! I also really appreciate you recognizing those flags flying at half staff for the lives lost on that horrific event. I’m right there with you bro!
This rig was an absolute stunner, and the fact that you could do a forward flip and then reverse it into a 3/4 back is wicked impressive! I’d dare say that Arrma has it going on. They may be a bit stiff and not as flexible, but at least they use a compound of plastic that doesn’t break easily. Most excellent and freakin radical stunt show bro! You are da man!👊🏼😎👍🏻🙌🏼💯
Thanks Robby!!
I’ve got 4 of those human-like creatures running around! Max (you might know of him 🤣) who just turned 6 in February, Sammie who will be 4 next month, and Cooper and Claire who will be 2 in August.
Ya I can’t imagine the horror of situations like that, which happen way too often.
The Granite was awesome and yes the plastic is much more stiff but man is it tough. That being said, you may remember I broke the rear knuckle on my Senton a couple months back. They are the same part I believe but it was also cold outside that day. Thanks again!
I do it cuz it’s fun!!! 😀
@@DerbyCityRC Yeah, the cold will do it every time! I don’t care what it’s made of!🥶😂👊🏼✌🏻
Yup it sure will!
Just like my old-man joints!! 🤣🤣
I MUST BE THE ONLY RC GUY THAT DOESNT JUMP...EVER.ITS NOT FUN TO ME =p
Maybe! I do also like just power sliding all over the place, but ya I certainly like my jumps 😆
Hey bro can't find a bady for deerc 9201e Baja...can you place help me find one
Check pxtoysrc.com
They usually have the available bodies for these cars. Hope that helps!
It's a dank ride!! Wider is better, hot racing adapter with badlands I'm runnin
Nas nas, that’s real NAS!!!! I agree it needs some width!
Man I’m just gonna blow my Saturday rabbit holing all your vids on 3s bashers!!! Really love your taste in RC’s! Looking for the perfect 3s capable yard and park basher. 2s yard and 3s park. Seems best bang for the buck and getting good quality to boot is Arrma. Now just gotta decide Big Rock, Vorteks or Granite. 🤔
Haha, don’t leave 4s out!
Though pricier.
The other one to consider is my recent video on the WOV Racing car. Same price as the Arrma 3s. Not necessarily better, but it’s alot of truck!
@@DerbyCityRC I’ll have to check that out too. Funny I knew you might mention 4s. Yeah the budget is gonna top out at 3s batts for now. Really tight budget. But also want parts availability too. How’s the WOV parts support? Heading to work but will run that vid in the office while I work. 😎
Typhon 3s i think its the best of them, longer wheelbase, wider stance...cant beat that.
I’m sure that’s great too!!
I’m sure I’ll get more in the 3s lineup!
My Senton is awesome too just in a different way lol
i live in your area, i would like to make a few bash videos with you at the skate park or the louisville radio control club
Nice. Which skate park? I’m sure we could work something out.
What is the best jumper basher under$500 in your opinion buddy
The granite is awesome, but my favorite is the outcast 4s: bit.ly/derbycityrc
Arrma Outcast 4S NEW V2.5 - (Hard Testing!)
th-cam.com/video/o57jwcRYrNM/w-d-xo.html
Big Rock and Granite is hardest 1/10 platform
Good for sure!
This was a awesome video. Made me laugh with the cart wheel. Keep it up.👍👍
Thanks man! Ya that was quite the cart wheel 😅
Your right it's a superbeast it's fast fun & SUPER DURABLE I BOUGHT MINE A FEW WEEKS AGO,TO BE HONEST AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT was lame the brushed version out of the box overheated to the point were you could smell the motor burning up.thats fine because I only bought brushed version because I have a used blx100 system w/3200kvblxmotor I'm a cheap skate.trustme I saved acouple hundred bucks
Feel refreshed.
thank you.(^^)/
So glad!
Youre welcome!
What is the best rc car you would recommend under $120
$120 is a bit tough, but I’d check this video out if you haven’t seen it. It’s the best cars for $150 and under. A fe are under $120 though 👍👍th-cam.com/video/LnMqcFo1_0s/w-d-xo.html
Fun video as always.
Hey Evan! I am new to the RC world. Love your vids. Very informative and funny to. I have the Granite 4x4 V3 BLX as my first. I wanted to know what shock oil weight you would prefer? I love jumping and I keep getting a lot of chassis slap with the stock shocks and i used 60wt along with the shims. I have the Proline Power Stroke Shocks i was going to install. Please advise.🤘
Love from India, Please gift me any used car
Thanks!
Also, @ 7:25 the slipper, only prevents the spur/pinion from being chewed up, from shock to the drivetrain. You're talking about a differential.........Sorry, man, not trying to be THAT guy.........too late? lol
That’s what I mean. I kind of under-explained it a bit. Thanks for helping clarify lol
@@DerbyCityRC You're one of my new favorite RC channels, dude. Sure is cool seeing your boys involved too. Keep it up, man!
Thanks man we appreciate that a ton!!!
Damn...I thought you only had 2 of those! And by that I don't mean the RC cars...haha...you have my respect as a father of 2 boys...keep up the informative and funny videos
Been to that park, very nice. i work in jtown. good review.
Awesome! Ya I hadn’t been in over 10 years. They really revamped it. Super nice!
Thanks!
Random...but what do you use for the gos/speedometer? The faster the car goes the more hesitant i am to keep using my phone 🤣
In this video I had this one: amzn.to/3vi1oH7
Then I got a different one but it recently exploded from too many crashes, so now I’m back to this one 🤣
Awesome. Thanks! We just got another foot of snow so i have some time to fix stuff @@DerbyCityRC
Definitely the best RC here on the channel, I even think it to be better than the rival one
That’s a tough call. They both have a few qualities the other doesn’t have. I’ll be doing a thorough comparison soon enough!
Damn that thing is a tank.
Granite Power i love my Granite best rc car
Yes it’s a blast!
Dollar for dollar, best 3s truck on the market!!
Definitely!
If you were to buy it all over again, what would you pick between the Granite, Big Rock, or Vorteks from the 3s line? Or would you step up to the Kraton 4s model for a few more $$?
I’m happy enough with the granite that I’d do it again, however the 4s line is awesome. Have you seen my new 4s outcast video? It’s probably my favorite RC car. Almost finished with the 4s Mojave video too, and that ones incredible as well if you don’t plan on doing tricks and flips. It’s ground control is awesome.
@DerbyCityRC The 4s outcast and 4s kraton appear to share a lot of parts and build quality. Coming from you stating it's your favorite says it all. Sounds like a clear winner to me. Can't wait to check out the new videos!
@theCHAD_official Awesome man, glad you trust my judgement 👍 If you’re able and when you’re ready to buy, using the links I provide in the description helps us out immensely. Feel free to ask if you have any other questions bro.
Thanks!
Now that's a REAL car, not an Amazon Cheapo
Sure is!
Arrma Granite body shell is a noticeable thinner and more fragile body shell than my Typhon’s and Big Rock’s
Interesting. It seems about the same as my Senton, but definitely not as thick as my 6s Kraton. Good to know though!
@@DerbyCityRC after just two battery runs on my granite the body already have cracks in the back. My other Arrmas body`s Typhon and Big Rock feels unbreakable compared and i haven't a clue how many runs those cars have,
they have been trough some pretty rough jumps and crashes but they're body`s dont crack even if they get twisted or land ugly on the body shell, you just bend the body`s back in place if its bad and they are good again with some visible marks OFC but still in very good shape. If i had put the Granite trough this there wouldn't be any body left LOL
I'm going to try strengthening the Granite body with fibertape and glue, if that don't work i will get me a durable body from a different brand :)
I hear ya!
Even the 6s Kraton body is a bit flimsy. I went with a Basher Bodies and it’s been tough AF so far
It's Really monter indeed 👌
That it is!!
1:33 😅 plus the rc car that rolls 100 times wtf 😄
Haha! I thought it would never end!
The kids are awesome
Haha, thanks, I agree!
My boys have the granite they are great trucks.
Yes it’s n my top 3 favorites
Your driving skills are A-1 & those front flips are🤯🤯🤯
Thanks my friend!!! 👍👍
I pretty much front flip every car I’ve got 🤣🤣
Awesome vid aa always max is funny 👍
Thanks! Yes he is lol!
My rear tire ripped the same day I got it
I ripped one too, but it took a few months. It happened when the truck leans under throttle and makes one tire spin double the speed. Most people upgrade them with Proline Badlands once that happens, and probably what I’ll do too. Tires blowing out is common for many high powered RCs.
Awesome video! Good laughs
Thanks!! 😀
Ok very good video/ info! +1
Thanks!!
Awesome truck!!!
Absolutely is!
Nice review! That thing took a pounding. But the most impressive thing about this vid is that you got through it without a busybody self-appointed code enforcer confronting you at that memorial park. 😂
Thanks!
Ya there was a dude driving around emptying trash cans. But I was trying to be as respectful as possible and stayed mostly way down that hill the car crashed down lol most “code enforcers” won’t want to walk that far 🤣
There was one trash can down there and it was overfilled so I felt safer lol!
Good stuff man
Thanks!!
Great video again, buddy! Lots going on, you and that oldest boy are having the best time with little plastic toys cars possible! The truck looks great, definitely seems like good quality for sure!
Thanks!!!
What a great video!! Lmao
Lol thanks!!
Just subscribed. Picked up this hobby when my wife asked me to quit playing computer games all day lol. Thanks to your review, among others...I'm certain I will be buying this truck. I was into Kevin Talbot's page for a bit but got tired of seeing him purposely destroying good RCs. Nice to come to your channel where I can watch an RC be put to the test without being destroyed. kudos my friend, and I look forward to watching more of your videos!
Hey man thanks! Yup I try to find that middle ground where we show durability, but never purposely break anything. Yup this is an incredible truck for sure!! Have you ordered one yet? They’re on sale!
Granite or Big Rock?
I don’t have the big rock, but I’d say more than likely granite for stunts and flips, big rock for more stability.
Another close contender would likely be the vorteks which I believe I’m getting soon.
How often do new videos come out?
I try to do one a week but I’m a super busy dude and usually ends up being one every 2 weeks. 😎👍
I have it narrowed down to a Granite or Rival MT10. Same price, what you think?
Or the Big Rock? I've heard that breaks the arms more because they are longer?
It’s a toss up. Durability is definitely very similar and the granite is faster and has more torque, but the rival handles better. I’ll know more once I do my comparison if the two which should be soon. I don’t have a big rock but I would say more breaks is definitely possible since it’s a slightly larger car.
@@DerbyCityRC THanks for the input!
Your welcome!
Really nice, good content
Thanks!
Thx for the great vid.
You’re welcome!
Don't take it for Granite!
Nice one!! 🤣
Close enough lol
So much a ripper ...And " Ladies n Gentleman the best Truggie cartwheel EVER!!!❤️🔥👊
Haha! Almost thought it would go on forever!
You've got the Granite, I finally got the Kraton 4s! Yess!! First little modifications are already on and waiting for the other parts (M2C etc.). But damn it looks awesome! And I might edit the video how I was unboxing it and building it
Awesome!! Glad you finally got it and getting it dialed in!!! 😎😎
Any recommendations for battery and charger? Trying to keep it inexpensive
Are you wanting 2s or 3s?
@DerbyCityRC I bought 3s 5200 80c zeee and the smart charger from spectrum g2. But I'm not sure if that's the right choice
@goofymaniak20 I think zeee batteries are awesome actually. Just make sure you got the ones with the EC5 connector: amzn.to/3YK1e7t
Also, that charger should work, but I don’t believe it will have any of the “smart” functions without using their “smart” batteries. I’m not sure fan of the spectrum batteries though. I think zeee is better.
@@DerbyCityRC thank you. My son and I love watching your videos.
@goofymaniak20 you’re welcome and I’m super happy to hear that!!
Looks like a lot of fun😎
Definitely!
Yessir!! That Granite took a beating!! The Mad Man himself calling for the front/back flip‼️👍👍🦾🦾😎😎
Sure did!
The mad one will eventually land his own I’m sure!! 😉🤣🤣👍
When he said do a front flip then a backflip I was thinking who does he think he is @richduperbash lol
Haha! I’ll get it soon enough!
Great stuff. You have some crazy luck. One video you drift slap a wheel and your son catches it. This one you manage to side tumble your Granite all the way down a hill.
And do a perfect limbo under a picnic bench 🤣🤣
The Granite was my first MT and by far is a very fun truck that I still own. The body hold downs not that good, the back of the body will get severely damaged but if you install a wing from a Typhon it won't be as bad. Definitely fun RC and have a blast with it every time it comes out.
Thanks for the tips! Ya it’s an awesome truck!!
Excellent review!!!!! You just sold another one lol. But I might go with the green one. Thank you
Awesome, thanks!
The green looks awesome too!
i'm amazed when you drop the box 😀
Haha!
Me too!
Just found your channel and loving it! You’re like a less annoying Kevin Talbot who’s also a family man😂
Awesome, thanks!
So only “less” annoying? 🤣🤣jk.
Thanks I appreciate!!