Let’s Talk About: Brawl Stars Pay to Win issue.

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  • @gilbertbrawl7642
    @gilbertbrawl7642 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    People seem to be either downplaying or dismissing the issue but addressing some free rewards in the past? I don’t understand how that ever an excuse of the current problem of what this game has on P2W. I know brawl stars can be genuineness at times but to many new players like myself I didn’t get the opportunity to have those rewards. At least it won’t matter if the game wasn’t pay to win. I know someone might find this dismissive but other like myself fine this a huge problem and I’m glad other understood that too. We should never downplay the problem and we should address and fix the issue.

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you some time i feel like some people thing more for themselves than anything

    • @Victoryeah8431
      @Victoryeah8431 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah I feel like many are not understanding the problem with the game or just choose to ignore it.

  • @pecileraser5629
    @pecileraser5629 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Since the change to the purchasing of the pass, im getting more lazy day by day

  • @JustKarimm
    @JustKarimm 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    honestly as a mobile player i cant find fun games to play other then brawl stars and it pisses me bc i litterly hate the fact that brawl stars became soo pay 2 win i hope it doesnt get worst and am kinda hoping to find a game to play alongside brawlstars that is less p2w and less stressful

    • @frostbite14
      @frostbite14 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@JustKarimm it isnt p2w

    • @rubenlohata5263
      @rubenlohata5263 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Coc clash royal
      any game made before 2018

  • @user-qp5yu1zq1m
    @user-qp5yu1zq1m 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Didn't help they increased the power gap between power levels.

  • @Willistheclown
    @Willistheclown 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    1:59 I hate Vanish so much.

  • @hgrunt73
    @hgrunt73 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i dont think brawl stars is pay to win, but it sure as hell is getting close to being "pay to play". its absolutely impossible to upgrade a single power 1 brawler to power 11 on the free side of the pass, as it only gives 2500 power points, and you need 3700 to max out a brawler. old players dont care but for returning/new players, the power point shortage is a real thing. its very hard to get powerpoints from stuff like masteries too, as you get like what, 250 per rare/super rare/epic brawler?

    • @yzxz9012
      @yzxz9012 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The power points are the same as the old BP, the old one was 2 moths long, I felt that power points were low too, but slowly the money will be the problem

    • @frostbite14
      @frostbite14 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hgrunt73 i too am going through a powerpoint shortage but you have to keep in mind that brawl pass isnt the only source of powerpoints and that once you have all brawlers at power 11 you cant do anything with powerpoints

    • @Grrgrr20073
      @Grrgrr20073 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I had a problem with power points like 1 and a half year ago i think but know its like power points dont exist for me as i have so much becouse it will be the coin need that will slow down your progress not power points.

  • @StarsShatteredBeyond
    @StarsShatteredBeyond 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Legit seeing Maxed brawlers already around 300 matchmaking is so fxxked, imagine if it’s the old times where it’s based more on total brawler trophies.

  • @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125
    @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The game is not really p2w. But that time Dani said in time to explain thaf f2p shouldn't be competitive and max out makes me question it

    • @yzxz9012
      @yzxz9012 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      When did he says that? It's kinda iffy

    • @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125
      @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @yzxz9012 maybe he worded it badly but it was in the time to explain at the end of some explanation about coin shortage if i remember correctly

    • @frostbite14
      @frostbite14 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@vazamentossuper-sonicos1125 I think he said something more along the lines of "f2p players shouldnt progress as fast as paying players"

  • @stevenleewijaya4107
    @stevenleewijaya4107 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    F2p is start your jounary, enjoy your experience. Is not "i want to be the max out my account".

    • @yzxz9012
      @yzxz9012 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Real words, too many playing for hours a day instead of 15 min every day, BS it's a game that needs to be played consistently

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It’s unfortunate that problems like these make it difficult for others to do.

    • @yathercantillano3874
      @yathercantillano3874 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's why you see smart youtubers like SnakeThug, Crying Man, and Bedlam have multiple accounts. You can have steady progress topping off starr drops/season/brawlpass quests on multiple accounts playing for just around 2 hours a day, versus topping one singular account's starr drops/quests in 30mins~ and then wasting your time slogging trophy progress with your underpowered brawlers pushing masteries for more PP/GOLD.
      The game literally encourages and rewards casual play.
      The skills/game knowledge you obtain from trying different brawlers on your accounts only helps you be a better player 🤷‍♂️

    • @stevenleewijaya4107
      @stevenleewijaya4107 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yzxz9012 that more make sense thank you

    • @stevenleewijaya4107
      @stevenleewijaya4107 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@yathercantillano3874 I currenty at more than 40k thropies count. And i had decent max out brawlers with hypercharges. And something i play just for fun, don't take this be so serious, that make fustrated.

  • @Daniyal731
    @Daniyal731 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    its weird a game is p2w win the progression in the actual game is good. what would you get rid of p2w

  • @RodBeingShy
    @RodBeingShy 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The brawl pass only gives enough to upgrade a brawler from 1 to 11 and upgrade 1 to 3 brawlers from power 10 to 11, this with the +, the free side gives so little

  • @albi3365
    @albi3365 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    f2p since 2019!!!! it really does suck when trying to get friends newly into this game since they get fucked by all the high level opponents its fun when you've been playing for years and have tonnes of progression stuff though!

  • @Dishwasherinwater
    @Dishwasherinwater 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    i have a big promblem with brawlstars and why i call it p2w, star road. Instead of picking the brawler you want you gotta get ahole lotta others before the one. Now if the ones you were getting were good ok, BUT NO they lock up newer brawlers that are more op later on. And also if i have enough for a mythic brawler let me get him dont lock him behind 10 others. They should do it like chromatics more like a shop were you use the credits you have to buy brawlers

    • @lettucebob7395
      @lettucebob7395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      No if anything they're helping you because all the op mythic brawlers got nerfed and are now mid.

    • @Dishwasherinwater
      @Dishwasherinwater 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @lettucebob7395 wait next brawl talk, new legendary/mythic brawler that has a bs breaking mechanic

    • @lettucebob7395
      @lettucebob7395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Dishwasherinwater and by the time you would have gotten them they get nerfsd

    • @turrican3839
      @turrican3839 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@Dishwasherinwater no no, lettuce does bring up a good point because as much as nobody really wants to admit, the brawl team has gotten faster in nerfing down brawlers that definitely were overpowered, Moe, Kenji, Charlie, Hank, Grom and other historically overpowered characters were reduced in a relatively fair amount of time to a point that they're now at least viable but not completely usable against every situation imaginable as they once were
      Which brawlers that typically do get nerfed down lose their appeal relatively quickly to boot, like Chester or Larry

  • @turrican3839
    @turrican3839 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Literally every single video you slop up chalks down to problems that are greatly exaggerated beyond belief, my brother in Christ the pass is cheap and gives you exactly everything you paid for in addition to the game having hosted multiple events that provide resources for the greater good of players

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Dude please don’t take these video personal dude… your enjoyment of the game is different to other at the end of the day. While you call it an exaggeration other call it a problem and downplaying these problems is what causes players to quit the game. Address the issue don’t ever dismiss it.. it can or will grow over time.

    • @turrican3839
      @turrican3839 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @MiniNEDYT well the issue in question really has not, it isn't exclusively on the basis of free passes provided monthly now as opposed to every 2 months
      We shouldn't forget about challenges, special drop types (like angel / demon drops, monster capsules, presents and dead boxes) alongside normal starr drops and special events are all part in helping players progress as much as they can, mastery rewards also help out a lot but people do not want to put in the effort to actually play more consistently which is something Brawl Stars *incentivises* to begin with, of course by proxy you can't level yourself up any further if you don't play often as one should for games that have leveling systems implemented to have depth and overall retention

    • @rubenlohata5263
      @rubenlohata5263 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      buddy its his channel not yours

    • @turrican3839
      @turrican3839 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rubenlohata5263 does not automatically make you immune to critique or rebuttals

    • @StarsShatteredBeyond
      @StarsShatteredBeyond 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Preach my man, how dare they insult our glorious Multi billion dollar company

  • @monomoji1727
    @monomoji1727 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Bro your OC is cute as heck 😂

  • @Tomášcz11
    @Tomášcz11 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hypercharges ruined everything it takes no skill

  • @lettucebob7395
    @lettucebob7395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    You know you can save mastery rewards to unlock new brawlers immediately right?
    And no idea why you think that brawl is "Now p2w" when it has had power progression for the past 8 years

    • @Scratcho293
      @Scratcho293 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why not save brawl pass rewards? Or why be locked from later unlocks on trophy road until you pick up the credits? Mastery rewards are fairly underwhelming for credits especially when you realise you can get enough coins to get a brawler to power 7 with a gadget (maybe 8 + gear) so yes you can, but how worth it is it?

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Your last statement make no sense

    • @frostbite14
      @frostbite14 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@Scratcho293 If you have all of the brawlers unlocked with the brawl pass alone you can unlock most new brawlers (except for higher rarities) and with the trophy road rewards and mastery rewards you can unlock every brawler no matter the rarity and it is just a matter of being active. I have been doing this since the new brawl pass came in 2024. As for being locked from unlocking further rewards on masteries and trophy road I have to agree it is dumb but on the other hand its not that big of a deal because it is just a matter of time before you get them. Those rewards arent going anywhere.

    • @frostbite14
      @frostbite14 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I have been playing videogames for 12 years and I have seen a lot. I can confirm that brawl stars is one of the more f2p friendly games that I have ever played (in 2019 and now) especially compared to other mobile games today. I dont ever see anyone mention all the free stuff and events that we got in the past 6 years that the game went global and that we are still getting that massively help progression. Now, this doesnt mean that I completely agree with everything supercell does. For example, remember those power level stats changes? I thought then that they are bad and I still do because it doesnt make it fair towards new players. But I have to say that the brawl stars dev team (which is separate from other dev teams) genuinely listens to their community and takes their critisisms. I mean, they even have their own podcast to answer the questions of the community! Does the dev team care about money? I mean, yeah, its a bussiness but in the last 6 years (7.5 if you count pre-global) they have shown that they care about making a good game. Sure, they still have some problems, most notably brawlers being broken on release and updates being buggy but I think its more due to a lack of organization or something else rather than greed and a lack of care. Also, isnt it weird that once the game becomes "p2w" it experiences its best year player count wise, reaching higher player count amounts than in 2019? Saying that this game is on a path to becoming the next pixel gun 3d is just simply not true and honestly disrespectful. Simply checking the player counts and the money earned brawl stars has NEVER had a better year than 2024 and its still doing very good for a "p2w" game.

    • @lettucebob7395
      @lettucebob7395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Scratcho293 They lock the trophy road that way because of the early parts of it. Mastery rewards are not underwhelming at all there are like 25,000 credits stored in there

  • @yzxz9012
    @yzxz9012 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Its seems your not familiar with pc gaming
    1. Mobile games are almost all made for money and to little pasion
    2. Apex its free because in this time a lot of battle royals and other games are completly free and get money from skins and battle passes, so EA wanted they share in the market, if all the other games were with money EA wouldn't made the game free 🤣
    And also about that story the gamin its falling beacuse insted of fixing the problems and getting the comunity what they want, the EA its pumping skins and battle passes
    3 BS might be a little pay to win but its also fun with all of this events and stuf, at least for me who has all the bralers lvl 9+, and i only bought one BP and im playing almost for 2 years

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      1. I literally said in my video that most mg are doing pay to win…(either way that’s not an excuse two wrong don’t make a right)
      2. I also know about this issue of apex…uh idk what this problem have to do with pay to win tho.. nor know what the reason of this statement tho
      3. Well to be fair at least you it’s your perspective cause not every player got the same experience but I’m glad your having fun still but little pay to win is a huge understatement 💀

  • @lordtachanka903
    @lordtachanka903 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Starting your video with “I know all brawlstars players are just stupid little kids so I’ll explain it to you while talking down to you because I’m smart and you’re stupid” is a great way to make me completely disregard every opinion you have.

    • @Victoryeah8431
      @Victoryeah8431 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      This discussion is legitimately about Pay to win tho… there should be legitimately no agreement about it. Don’t get butt hurt about it. He’s literally went out of his way to make a video explaining to the younger audience why it’s bad. He is legitimately being honest even if it hurts you.

    • @Victoryeah8431
      @Victoryeah8431 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You should also be a shame of yourself for twisting his words to since he clearly did not say that.

    • @lordtachanka903
      @lordtachanka903 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@Victoryeah8431 you are literally one of the children he was referring to 😭😭 lil bro is in middle school and thinks he spittin 😭💀

    • @minesweeperfan5
      @minesweeperfan5 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      What is bro on about

    • @Willistheclown
      @Willistheclown 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ???

  • @What_R-Dose
    @What_R-Dose 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    pixel gun3d in its prime is a top 10 mobile game

  • @shiningaquarii4092
    @shiningaquarii4092 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    This video is generally a lot of talking while saying a lot of nothing.
    It doesn't seem like you know the definition of "p2w" as you said that people missing the free buzz lightyear brawler and having to deal with him is a "p2w aspect"....when it was a free gift?
    That logic does not make any sense as any type of free gift would be considered p2w, as there's always new players coming to the game that'll miss those offers.
    Were the deadboxes p2w? Were the 100 starr drops p2w? was Mico p2w? was Gray p2w?
    See how it doesn't make sense?
    That point you make is insanely horrendous and it really seemed like you pulled that issue, and instead of addressing as a balance issue (which is what it truly is) you addressed as a p2w issue, which comes off as very disingenuous. And even calling it a horrible thing to do, as if it was predatory of supercell to give everyone a free maxed out brawler that helps a lot with trophy boxes, which a lot of newer and f2p players don't have easy access to.
    The early access offers are seriously not a big deal, as even i who pushed on high and low trophy levels didn't really come across any moes or kenjis except for 1 game (when they were at early access). And generally calling it "progression lock" is once again disingenuous as it's only locked to people who already have all of the brawlers. As everyone else, aka the majority of brawl stars players, don't have all the brawlers and will be busy during those short 7 days unlocking the brawlers they choose. You do not seem to state all the objective and factual information into account when talking about these issues. You strip the nuance out of something, and then create a narrative that this thing is "p2w" when the last 2 brawlers were not op or broken in any capacity. Those being meeple and shade. Most people seem to agree they're balanced, and there's a lot of people who are saying ollie won't be strong too.
    The "fame issue" is so contradicting to your own points regarding your p2w issues in brawl stars, because again, it's only a small percentage of players that has all of the brawlers and thefore fame. And shouldn't that small percentage of people be almost exclusively made of players who pay?
    So that'd make majority of f2p players not affected by the fame issue at all. As they all would be using their credits to unlock their brawlers.
    And guess what you can still save the credits for a new brawler, even if you have fame and is f2p. As they make sure to release them before the season end.
    The limited modes point were pretty bad honestly. As most of the points could be debunked by simply having two eyes and realizing the special abilities were only available in two maps per day. And the fact that aside from Godzilla, f2p players could easily get all of the power meals and angelic and demonic abilities. The point is just ranting mindlessly and hoping the impressionable kids that watch your channel will agree. The gatcha mechanics were seriously not the issue you make them to be. Because the main rewards of these were....skins. Something that doesn't change the game at all. Incredible, Supercell is truly the spawn of satan.

    • @gilbertbrawl7642
      @gilbertbrawl7642 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Dude why are downplaying the issue? Like dismissing the problem is not the solution dude… like bro this comment just gives me a huge headache right now 😭. Also why are you bring up thing that doesn’t even apply to the topic??
      Like mico? Grey? HUH what they gotta do with the problem of P2W? Like it’s so nonsensical and borderline absurd idk if that supposed to cover the issue but it’s doesn’t at all.? I think at least cause honestly it’s very ironic that you are saying that he’s saying a lot of nothing when this comment exists. Talk about emotions over logic dude…

    • @shiningaquarii4092
      @shiningaquarii4092 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @gilbertcamero3424 I brought up mico and gray, because just like buzz, they were free brawlers. The point was that calling buzz lightyear a "p2w" aspect just because new players won't get him is idiotic.
      As 1. He was literally FREE
      2. Using that logic it can apply to literally any free reward. Such as Mico, and gray. Deadboxes, 100 starrdrops, etc. which is dumb
      You do not seem to have good reading and interpretation abilities, as that was a very obvious point. I'm not dismissing the issue, I'm saying how dumb it was to call it a "p2w issue" when in reality it's more of a balancing issue. p2w means Pay 2 win.
      Can you tell me what part of buzz lightyear, a FREE brawler, is p2w?

    • @gilbertbrawl7642
      @gilbertbrawl7642 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@shiningaquarii4092 Bro he said in the video that Toy Story was the exception of the P2W. Seem like you need to open your ears bro. I mean he did go on a rant about an other topic but at least he went back on the main one. Like relax

    • @shiningaquarii4092
      @shiningaquarii4092 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@gilbertbrawl7642 on minute 12:30
      He says "But they have to deal with this brawler 24/7, which is such a horrible thing to do. Because of this >P2W ASPECT OF THE GAME<
      It's very ironic how you tell me i don't listen, when he quite literally calls it a p2w aspect. Maybe you should actually watch the whole video, instead of defending like a minion.

    • @MiniNEDYT
      @MiniNEDYT  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@shiningaquarii4092 Relax you two. Also gotta apologize about that part of the video I meant to say rushed product but P2W lol. Nothing pay to win about Toy Story was going on a tangent about that event😭 should have when back on the main topic. But I have to agree on Gilbert we shouldn’t dismiss the issue I know BS sometimes can be good with the free rewards but that’s not an excuse of what going on problem wise we always head first to the problem and not ignore it.

  • @Scratcho293
    @Scratcho293 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Is brawl stars worse than zooba???

    • @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125
      @vazamentossuper-sonicos1125 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No way. I've played this game a bit a long time ago so idk how it's now, the gameplay could be fun but the progression is terrible, you take too long to get any characters ans take forever to level up (there are like double the levels than in brawl stars and each level is much more expensive)

  • @Aner_YT
    @Aner_YT 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    FIRST