Origins: The Goths
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- Who were the Goths? Where did they come from? And what's the difference between the Visigoths and the Ostrogoths? I attempt to answer those questions and give a brief overview of the Goths.
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Genetic testing has been made on buried individuals from the Wielbark culture and the results showed that they were geneticly the same as modern Swedes.
That's why nowadays modern Suedes they will be Arabised. Punishment.
Extremely informative video with strong Historia Civilis vibes. Subbed!
They came in the Scythian way and made their way to Gotland like the Jutes and Jutland, Angle’s and Angland and The Frisians and Friesland
Cool accurate video!
I forgot who said it but i think it was Isidora of Spain where he made the connection that Getae and Sythi basically sound the the exact same.
Wether they were the Scythians or just migrated down there and mixed with them, we don’t know.
Only God knows, but the connections are pretty close
Cherniakhov culture was named after the village Cherniakhov near Kyiv🇺🇦 where the 1st cemetery and settlement of Goths waa found. Nowadays there are almost 300 archaeologacal places of Cherniakhov culture of Goths in Ukraine
😕ulfphila, ophila, ophila, ulphila's, ophila, ulphila's😕
Ulfilas (c. 311-383), also spelled Ulphilas and Orphila, all Latinized forms of the unattested Gothic form *𐍅𐌿𐌻𐍆𐌹𐌻𐌰 Wulfila, literally "Little Wolf" 🐺
Interesting stuff.
Seems to me that people forgot about the Damnatio Memoriae imposed by Caracala on the GETIC population, that had its home in the Carpathians, even the name of the book by Jordanes suggests that, also makes sense since the gets/dacians "swore to bring Rome down" for the earlier wars and slavery that was brought by the roman empire.
Gotenberg Sweden meaning Goth Mountain
So that's how Gog & Magog got out
Goths have no relationship with these two
who is the guta then?
Wielbark ydna analyzed had majority of I1 or IM253 which is the dominant ydna in Sweden today.
The first reference to the Goths is in Tacitus, who in the 1st century described a people whom he called the Gotones, on the Baltic coast near the mouth of the Vistula.
Thanks for the Goth lowdown
How does the (currently) Swedish island of Gotland fit into the equation? Some claim that it has something to do with the Goths.
R1b no have history they were slaves 😂😂😂
Even vikings also were related to indian aryans.
Shatpat braman old historians writen when indian aryans defeated his iranian indian aryan actully were cozns. They moved to Where sun only rise once in a years.
Gotland was named after the Gutes and Götaland, the region in southern Sweden, was named after the Geats. I believe all of these names are etymologically connected. There’s speculation of a relationship between these people and the Goths, especially with the similarities in the names, but nothing definitive.
@@Byztory I'm not a scholar but I cant help but wonder: The name different people call themselves seems to be the name for human or a young male like sven meaning a young male for example. People calling themselves just people (normal people , not strangers speaking strange tounges. But maybe all nordic people or at least a big chunk considered themselves basically thesame people. The langauges handn't diverged so much yet. The norweigan word for boy is gutt wich leads to my hypothetis that perhaps a majority of the nordic people counted themselves as goter, götar gutar or whatever but as people became less mobile there was a division, and a more local identification led to new words based on geografi or direction. So if there was a big migration it could emerge from a much bigger area.
Another question. In the time of Norcid bronze age and forward the waterways where conecting people while the the forests where dividing. And the culture was very maritime. So could it be that coastal reagions of the baltic sea was part of the norse coreland even some parts south of the baltic sea? Could the expanation why some features south of baltic sea were older then the onces in Scandinavia be explained by the fact that the goths were already there as inhabitants of a core region.
you are talking about Getae lands. Gatae/Dacs are the children of Pelasgi, who were also precursors to Greeks, Illyrians and Thace or Hyperboreans.
I can’t imagine how much crucial information that was destroyed in Alexandria. Will we ever rediscover our origins except only trusting sources like the Sumerians?
Hello thanks for that great content
I want to know what was the goths culture and how their culture has effected gothic jenre?
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Kind of alot everywhere by now in the world. It's the unique islanders, part of why hard to figure out what all are Basques in Spain and France. 👽 What Eastern European, Vikings Mongols Turkic countries languages have similarities to Basque. 🪐Indo European. Steppe culture, but seafarers. Highlanders. That's pretty easy to geographically globally figure out. Cappadocia and Goth, Caucasian🪐. Including Japanese and Pacific and Atlantic Oceanside coastal cultures. Here, fears of Aryan race, but I think that's kinda blind spot. Anywhere high cliffs and seas. Had to develop inland to survive through agriculture, develop cultural academic excellence, and create civilizations ALL over the world. Obviously Goth Caucasian are important. Blending North and South. That's totally DaVinci Code. Makes think about it ALL.
@anaibaranga 👉You👈 may have trouble figuring out what Basques are, but Basques don't. Instead of living in confusion, ask them.
If it is about GOTHS, then why is Jordanes' book called GETICA?
Yeah I'm a goth! ♥️
They are more like dacians mixt with germanics/ bastarnae for praying to Zalmoxis!
I am a Jat from Pakistan the Jats were called Geate(massageates i.e. the greater geates) and they migrated from central Asian steppe to india and pakistan and also towards europe
The goths of europe are the descendants of Massageates in europe
And the Jats of india and pakistan are their descendants in indian subcontinent
Reverse, germanics mixed with dacians, goths came from Scandinavia to modern day Romania.
@@Diddiwehy No, Gots came from prsent Poland and they were a Slavic tribe. The scandinavian connection is a fake.
@@Lechoslaw8546 gotland island in sweden the origins, to poland. Then moves to central europe around the crimea peninsula. They ill invade a rome peninsula and enter in greek. Mixed with huns and divided in two groups. The visigoths established in spain and ostro goths or esstern goths in italy. And in balkans establishment too.
and if you want more proof I'm Gothic descendant and I'm 6.23 feet tall with VERY large jaws I'm mean large I'm from Latinamerica
The latest data on Goths is that they liked to party, tall, short, jaws or not. From which tribe[s] do you descend? The Ostrogoths (Eastern), were led by the elite Germanic military Amal clan, and the Visigoths (Western) by the Balto royal line. Ocasionally they inter-married.
Marcomanni*
*sigh*.... yep, I missed that typo. My mistake. Good catch!
@@Byztory hey no big deal. I learned something from this video. Very informative. Keep pumping them out!
The Origins part misses out on telling that there are areas (Gotland) and cities (Göteborg) and names (Göta, Gustav (staf aka king of the Goths)) all in Sweden and quite typical Gothic. Further, that the Gothic tribe, The Danes first ventured down into eastern Europe from Skåne (Scandinavia) and stayed for a couple of generations only to return, go back and then (by the mythical queen/witch Gefion and her four bewitched bull sons plow out of Sweden) conquer Zealand (Sjælland) to become the leading tribe in what is today Denmark, land of the Danes. Furthermore, a Gothic people migrated from the island Bornholm down through Europe in these times to become The Burgundians of France.
The Danes are Danish, and not Goths.
I'm a total outsider when it comes to the origin. The burial method, traced via archeology, is located in Poland and predates the method in Sweden. This is thus evidence that these people originated from Poland. That makes no sense to me, for the following reason:
Vikings came to Normandy and took the land, so the story goes. However, we know heavy cavalry was first used in Normandy before Norway/Sweden/Denmark. The fact that the chivalric culture originated from Normandy, is proof that Vikings came from Normandy..? No. It's probably more complex. Ideas have always come late to Scandinavia - the fringe of Europe - northward from the continent.
Anyway, interesting video.
I was not trying to say that the dating of the finds proves, by itself, an origin in continental Europe. However, the dating also does not prove that the Goths originated in Sweden and then migrated to what is today Poland. When these finds were originally discovered, it was thought to be evidence that backed up the account given by Jordanes. However, since we can date these finds, we now know that this is not the case. Is it possible that the Goths did, in fact, originate in Sweden? It's possible. And maybe we'll find evidence of that someday. But right now, we don't have it.
There is other evidence that the Goths originated along the Vistula River and then moved south, although this is debated. So we can maybe trace the Goths from the Danube River to the Baltic Sea, but we can't make that jump to Sweden with what we have
Normandy came to be because the French weary of Viking murderous assaults and pillage gave these "north-men" a chunk of France. Kinda like you give a troublesome child something to keep him busy. Read your history, and try not to share bad guesswork... 🍷🤔
Huns and goths are cousins. Blood related.
Wtf ????? How are a Germanic people and Turkic people related?
No they were not. The Huns came to dominate the goths and there were no similarities with each other besides a warrior culture.
The danger is even greater they are all horsemen like sarmatians... that's the way they destroyed Roman Empire in 378 Adrianople, on the horse, cavalry baby kataphraktes
I'm a gepidae 🙄
A pitty that this presentation is disturbed by Jazz !
I'm sure the music becomes more dramatic once there are wars to talk about
The gods did truly shape Europe in a positive way they were great people who were genocide it for their beliefs. Wherever the goths went in Concord they became the royalty and Before world war two all royal families in Europe traced their ancestry back to the goths
the Goths were blonds blue eyed and tall really tall like 6.4 6.5 feet tall people many of them were like that and IT IS TRUE THE TRUTH LET ME TELL YOU which lead us to know they were Blonds many of them with no doubt and these are the best proof of evidence to say they were scandinavians or at least partly scandinavians because the norse white blonde race only origenated in scandinavia in southern scandinavia in the swedish side to be more precise so there you have it they were SCANDINAVIANS
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R1b no have history they were slave 😂😂😂
Even vikings also were related to indian aryans.
Shatpat braman old historians writen when indian aryans defeated his iranian indian aryan actully were cozns. They moved to Where sun only rise once in a years.
R1b = British Raj never forget this indian lol
was the slavs, that's why the Balkans are Slavic the goths where a mix of Germanic and Slavic that took more Germanic attributes
lol
@@Lord_Lambert plenty of evidence the goths were a union of Scythians, slavs and Germanic tribes, would of been similar to the Rus, few Nordic tribes uniting the native inhabitants of the land aka the slavs that have been in the area since the 1st centry ad, makes more sense than a bunch of central asians with red hair and light eyes just sprung out of nowhere in the 700s Germans are franks and slavs are the true natives of central europe
@@Lord_Lambert just look at the maternal haplogroup L121 most prominent in Scandinavia and the Balkans, while Poland and east Germany have R1a1 from the paternal haplogroup the slavs are a mix of these peoples
the modern Germans share more with the celts and romance peoples of the west
genetically speaking
goths were slavic, not germanic.
@@human7491 “When spring arrived [of 589] and provided the earth with a gentle, happy aspect, the customary distribution of gold was dispatched to the soldiery by the emperor. The war between Romans and Persians was flourishing and restive. As for the Getae, that is to say the hords of Sclavenes, they were fiercely ravavgin the regions of Thrace; the Medes encountered the Roman generals and were squandered in slaughter; the elder Rome withstood the incursions of the Lombards…”
www.jassa.org/?p=5274
if you want to go back in time, 70% of europe was inhabited by slavs and our keltik-gaul brothers, all this before germanic and roman invasions, germanic states england, germany, swissland and france are the result of those invasions, and spain and italy the result of roman wars, this were not latin lands, but celtic with who we slavs lived side by side for thousands of years.
@@solinvictus2880 Goths king name Radogost, in 405 AD he conquered Florence. Can anyone say he was not Slavic?
@@Lechoslaw8546yes, the goths were not Slavic. The Slavic people didn't come to be until around the 5th and 6th century.
@@mickeytwister4721 What you are saying is preposterous, NONSENSE. Why all major river names in Germany are Slavic? Radgast/Radogost , a historical Gothic king has a Slavic name. Just stop spreading nonsense disguised as knowledge. There are plenty other evidence Goths were Slavic, same regards to Vandals, Sueves.
@@Lechoslaw8546 where are you getting any of your information? Your claiming I'm spreading false information but literally every source backs up my claim. We simply don't have any records of anyone like the Slavic people until the 5th century. The goths, vandals and suebi all had Germanic names and Germanic customs. The reason you think some of the these Germanic names are Slavic is because eastern germanics contributed a lot of cultural influences on what will become the Slavic peoples. The Wends and the Obertrites are the first people who are known as Slavic. But you could say that people like the gepids who were eastern people rules over by the huns were a proto Slavic people. Again the earliest this happened was the 5th century.
well thats just plainly wrong, both written accounts of the Gothic culture and archeological evidence shows they come from Scandinavia.
most likely a large part from Götaland and Gotland.
Such annoying music!
Thanks for the Goth lowdown