Hi all! Hope you enjoyed the video. An AEI scholar has a proposal to help protect free speech at America's colleges, while also protecting individual choice. Check it out: goo.gl/fVf7Cn
Would you cooperate with Jordan Peterson in creating an alternative to the university system by providing a quality less strictly politically correct education product online? The American University system is not salvageable.
As the father of a bright active four year old girl i appreciate your calm, factual thoughts and presentations. Please keep up the good work our little boys and girls need some reason and common sense
Dain i sadly agree with you. I have genuine concerns for the state of our university systems. I agree with Dr. Peterson when he states they do more harm than good.
I enjoyed the video. But I have to ask, would the Oberlin professor who penned that defense of "censorship" on the grounds of "discursive violence" be prepared to debate Ms. Sommers in a public forum? I think it is time to put these individuals on the spot and force them to defend their fascism publicly.
Robert, that's, I believe, the problem with so many from the left side - and it's not a US specific thing - we have the same here in Germany, though, I'd say - a group of people behaving like that would most likely have been removed from campus. Although back in the 70s this was common in Germany as well. The problem I am talking about is that they do not see what they do as something bad. They are right, the others are wrong and stopping them from spending falsehoods is a noble deed. They would, I say, protest most violently when you'd accuse them of Nazi-style discussion suppression techniques - though this is EXACTLY what they do. It does not matter if it's a religion or some other form of ideology - when you drift off into the land of faith and leave the land of facts, proof and reason behind you, you end up in a totalitarian system. But "faith" will throw in the filters so that you don't even notice.
College kids also say 'hate speech is not free speech'. So, while it is true most of them support 'free speech', it is a redefined version of free speech that does not include anything they consider offensive. Which nuters the entire point of free speech laws.
Exactly. I wonder how warped the surveys would appear if the question was phrased, "Do you support free speech that includes hate speech or no free speech at all?" Force the issue on them by wording it like that. I'm real curious to know what the response would be.
The very first restriction, even one entirely innocuous, Negates free speech. Speech is either free or it isn't. The first sets the precedent for all those to follow. Eventually, all will be silenced.
...hate speech is not free speech.I think I am sure that those kids who interrupted the lecture are more informed of what is going on in college campuses than she is.They are adamant for a reason.I think it is foolish to be reassured the kids are fine by The New York Timed they don't think assist that college. They are a minority and people tend to disregard that almost always.I would take a closer look at what is going on because they know free speech means and involves hateful speech.But I think they refer to hate speech as OTHERS NULLIFYING WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT RAPE IS GOING ON IN THESE COLLEGES.IN FACT I AM SURE OF IT. There's no way someone is going to disrupt a perfectly respectable lecture like this one to express something in such a strong way! Something definately is wrong here. What works against these kids is that they are young women is it is a cultural custom for their voices to be drowned out by respectable men or at times even other women in power.So this is exactly why I believe they are getting assaulted the system of mysogony is working against them at it's finest. Before you say they are just emotional I say to that you would get emotional also if you mattered so little to the system that when you cry wolf THE NEW YORK TIMES DROWNS YOU OUT!!!
When these protesters say they are for free speech, too often what they really mean is that they are for their own free speech, and anyone who disagrees with them should be censored (or apparently shouted down). It would be interesting to see what would happen if these protesters shouting down anyone whose speech they don't like were shouted down themselves when they tried to speak, or had their own speakers shouted down similarly. The reason that they can't see why free speech is so important even to them is because they are the ones doing the shouting down, but they are not experiencing their own speech being shouted down similarly. They behave like toddlers who feel that they should be free to play with any other toddler's toys, but no other toddlers should be allowed to play with their toys. It's long past time for them to grow up and behave like adults who realize that other people have just as much rights as they do.
if designing the survey i might try and express it that way. "would you support your being silenced on subjective grounds in the name of the public good". But the problem with voluntary surveys is people can simply not return them if answering them honestly becomes incriminating.
In her Lewis & Clark misadventure, Christina got bitten by censors, Don't hire their grads, They're totally mad, And they all fall apart under pressure!
Dear Christina, about 10 years ago I worked in the main Brazilian statistical institute: a government agency that is responsible for measuring inflation, population growth, unemployment levels and ... gender pay gap. Working at this institute I realized that I had been deceived by the media, academy and politicians on this subject, but I could not find anyone who confronted this data. That's when - by searching the internet - I met you. You have guided me to a whole new world of ideas, from you, I met new thinkers, reformulated most of my political convictions. I left the left guided by you (and Sowell, and Scruton, and Karen Straughan... and a lot of privileged minds I met once I met you) I thank you so much for that. Brazil suffers the same as the US on these issues of 'minorities' and 'freedom of expression'. Months ago I myself was cursed and physically assaulted by university students and professors in a college where I study (the second most important university here) by questioning - in a lecture - the data of a fraudulent survey on deaths motivated by prejudice against homosexual women (they include as "death motivated by prejudice against lesbians" any death of lesbian - including assaulting lesbian who died after the stolen car he was driving to overturn, during a police chase). I always mention you in my conversations on the subject and there is a large and growing legion of people inspired by your work here. Thank you.
@@stevekravcik609 a fairly wise person once noted,(I don't know who or when)that the people best suited for political office are also those wise enough to not run.
I'm a parent of two teens, and one is heading to university this fall. Nowhere in all their formal schooling (we homeschooled for a few years) were they taught to read much of anything, to think critically, to debate, or to see things from alternate perspectives. Their teachers (here in Canada) are all of one single political stripe and entirely beholden to left-wing unions. They spout any and all of their personal or union views with complete impunity, but don't teach children how to think, or that educated debate is healthy (critical!) for a democracy. Not only don't they learn about the values that created our nation and the West, but their heads are filled with every possible sort of SJW trash. NOT SURPRISING that they land in colleges and universities as junior-SJWers, are unable to think for themselves, and 'feel threatened' by what they 'feel' are 'dangerous' opinions. All I can do is arm my children with information and knowledge, but it feels like they're swimming against a current of wilful ignorance bordering on fascism. Additionally, Canada's current government (headed by uneducated train wreck Justin Trudeau) is run by the same SJW people who are screaming at these speakers, and they're CREATING new legislation into LAW that gags and stifles free speech. So these idiots are emboldened everywhere. Thank God for Hoff Sommers, Jordan Peterson, Gad Saad, Camille Paglia, Dave Rubin, and others!!!
3:45 the conflation of speech and violence is why just general text of flirtation between an employer and an employee is considered sexual assault in a workplace. AND I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, RIDICULOUS AND DOWNRIGHT WRONG!!!!!!!!!
I wish my introduction of feminism was factual feminism at a younger age, time and prejudice against me for being white and male (especially in my childhood years in foster care, focusing on foster mothers and social workers). The levels of discrimination done too me and towards me has done more damage too any feminist movements. Yes, I believe in gender equality, no I don't believe in feminist movement can be salvaged. I'm too bitter and too much damage over the years to ever care to show support. I applaud you for being a better and stronger person than me.
I think that, at this point, calling universities breeding grounds for echo chambers is pointless. Which solution(s) are we left with? People like Jordan Peterson can only pushback so far. I guess it's up to enough students to push even harder.
I think the problem starts much earlier. Children have a tendency to like clear morality. Education also wants to teach lessons about issues but has limited interest in moral complexity (like telling kids in the right circumstances, they'd be nazi prison guards). Children's media often deals with the child messiah overcoming the evil, ugly adult or a society that's a thin metaphor for their parents and teachers. If you've been raised to think you're the hero not the fascist, then you can be a fascist with blissful ignorance. If evil is constructed as external, it's not constructed as something inside. Additionally, teachers and parents are expected to be encouraging even if kids are bravely not letting their inability to think affect their desire to parade how wonderful they think they are. Universities are the intersections of different pipelines in terms of lecturers and students. To change anything, you'd likely need to affect changes at various levels. I doubt you're going to have any luck trying to overthrow the self esteem movement or infiltrating educational theory. nb: there's probably some kind of balance to be achieved between making kids pronoid with excessive praise and a side of infantalism and traumatizing them with criticism and a dangerous moral universe. And I'd note that any account of the instinct to censor is likely to be incomplete. There's likely to be different things in play.
Mike Schnobrich Culture tends to have an arbitrariness, but I think psychology has some clearish ideas about what constitutes adulthood or mental health. And there are practical requirements to even have a society. I think you use these as moral precepts or for deriving them. Granted with some of this stuff (self esteem, assertiveness, confidence, compromise, shelter, exposure), too much or too little for a kid and you're cultivating a disorder.
I guess it's up to enough students to push even harder. Or better yet, find other forms of entertainment aside from showing up a speech that no one is obligated to attend to begin with, for the express purpose of shouting that person down. I mean think about it...if folks started buying tickets to a Tyler Perry movie for the express purpose of disrupting the show or showing up at a Fifty Shades flick just to screeching about rape culture, no one would think of trying to market these lunatics as heroes. We'd rightly cart them off to a psych ward where they could get the stability that they require
Such an important point! The growing conflation of speech and violence is truly a frightening trend. In Canada, where I now live, there is a creeping trend in law to criminalize speech. What they call hate speech may not be things that we want to hear (or even need to hear) but outlawing it is wrong on its face.
Is this a late April Fools video? I am so shocked at people even remotely thinking that Sommers is a fascist, and a "well known one" at that. I'm frightened by the fact that it is accepted to shout down people you don't agree with and just label them a fascist... Which sounds an awful lot like fascism. Never would I have guessed that someone as calm and rational like Sommers would be protested. I would expect this (albeit disapprove it) at a lecture by someone like Yiannopoulos, who can have some very controversial "hot takes". What an absolute bizarre world we are living in right now.
We live in a world where parasites have attached themselves to good causes and have bloated and distorted the entire thing out of control. We live in a world where people feel entitled to be victims and to be protected from having their feelings hurt, and like spoiled brats that don't get their way, they take violent actions to silence the people opposing them.
@@Hauptseite Folks like my parents always said Benjamin Spock was full of it. Thirty years later, on his deathbed, he agreed. This is the result of many of my fellow late end boomers being raised according to his theories, spawning participation trophies and a general lack of accountability for one's own actions. In the same time frame we had Roe v Wade, the explosion of "no fault" divorce, and rather than giving a "problem" child a swift hard smack on the ass or finger snap the top of the head, we decided it would be far better to chemically delete their personalities altogether. Until my senior year I was never in a class of less than 40 students. We behaved because there were real consequences if we didn't.
Milton Friedman's position was that "Freedom to Listen" is a direct consequence of "Freedom of Speech". By not allowing students to listen, those students were denied their freedom of speech.
Imagine feminists and SJWs, now make that the *entire left wing* and even some of the right, there you got Brazil's Political climate, about leaders, Brazil is as divided as the US, there's the crocked corrupt left winger, and the dumb conservative right winger, and if you don't like one, you must love the other, everyone's after everyone's, and that's pissing me off... That's exactly why I want someone like Miss Sommers to have a voice here, I'm a Libertarian, and she's a liberal, but she inspires me everyday , and if someone's a truth advocate, it doesn't matter their political affiliation...
The saddest part of this is the part that wasn't addressed in the video. Universities and Colleges should have a zero tolerance policy regarding interrupting classes/lectures/guest speakers. If someone wants to disagree, let them put up the speakers and organize it, not just drown out others in idiotic displays of ignorance. THIS is the real problem.
I possess a unique ability that's an ancient talent long lost. It involves listening to what people say and disagreeing without shutting them down, or ignoring ridiculous ideas. These screaming children need a reality check.
I once called myself a 2nd wave feminist, because I wanted equality for all. Now I refrain to myself as a left of center libertarian, because 4th wave feminism, even at it's base, is against everything I used to stay for ( and yes, I know I'm late to the party ). But thank you Prof. Sommers (nice german name you have there btw) for being one of the two feminist on TH-cam to actually make sense. BTW: Communists should be controversial (coming from someone whoe grew up in a communist country, so I might be biased) Yours truly Shin (not disclosing my real name, for work related reasons, I work at a gamedeveloper)
Dude, these people are adults!! They should not be afraid to hear offensive opinions. What is the point of being an adult if you are too scared of listening something that you do not agree with with? That is something children do. Children are meant to be the whiny ones UNTIL they grow up and realise that being whiny is not acceptable any more. Ridiculous.
Hi i want to make statement, you are the first person to make actual and factual sense on the internet in the last 20 years please keep doing this thank you
Wow, this is good. I would respect anyone with such a calculated, level headed approach, but it just so happens I completely agree. Keep up the good work.
I'm so ashamed of my generation for containing imbeciles that would shout this brilliant woman before hearing her side of the discussion. Your a class act, Christina.
That group shouting was extremely violent, in thought, deed and words. They are the ones who should be brought to account for their actions that are worse than that they are "protesting" about.
There can be no social justice without intellectual justice - or free speech or fairness to all opinions. Social justice begins with free speech. Different people have different opinions of what constitutes "social justice" and without free speech anyone's concocted definition of social justice cannot be challenged and tested for bias - and, therefore, for unfairness or injustice.
Christina Hoff, You are a sweet bundle of intelligence and logic wrapped with a ribbon of awesomeness. Keep up the good work! I hope to hear you at a function or lecture someday. You have a true grip on reality unlike these fascist pieces of crap on campus.
"Speech is how we avoid violence," no truer words have been said. Because at some point at one of these disruptions someone is going to get up and punch these people in the face. On another note its quite odd that these people think that everyone else should listen to their disruption. Why is their speech acceptable but not the speaker's? Very odd.
No, free speech is not in danger according to them since their definition of "free speech" is comparable to an apologist's defense of slavery saying they're just "property". As long as slaves are not considered human, it's not "slavery", they're just "property". "Hate speech" being censored or shut down isn't a threat to "free speech."
they would be wrong, though. since even offensive speech is protected under the law, in fact, especially offensive speech, like when opposing a tyrannical government.
"No, free speech is not in danger according to them since their definition of "free speech" is comparable to an apologist's defense of slavery saying they're just "property"." Your statement is a classic straw man fallacy. Just because I want anybody to be able to express their views (including Black Lives Matter people, whose views that I consider extremely destructive, hateful lies) does not mean I want to defend the evil institution of slavery (still alive and well in Africa, BTW).
The question is, why is one person's lived experience more important than another person's? Why should one be treated as sacred and protected, and the other not allowed to even be spoken? Why should one person deserve to be heard but not another? Do they ever think about these things, or is it supposed to be self evident.
I'm so happy I found this channel. I was raised in a very... male dominated? home. As in, my dad should never have to cook, clean, or do anything. I had to be careful of my thoughts, speech, attitude, dress, etc in order to be a lady, make men happy, and not labeled a slut. It made me who I am today, but the reason I'm happy to have found this series s because recently my mom has finally started believing in female rights and empowerment, voted for the first time, and all kinds of things I'm so proud of. Unfortunately she has been getting all her info from some misguided and crazy feminists and I can't wait to show her these videos and Christina Hoff Sommers work to hopefully help her have a more rounded, real view of where women truly have made it to and she can be proud and happy instead of sad or angry that she stepped out of her box.
It is a troubling trend. I wonder if the rise in intolerance of certain speech is correlated to the rise in obvious hate speech. When you have people shouting "Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville, it seems natural to me that they would be shouted down. So, I think those kinds of examples are what many students are thinking about when they said that it is OK to protest offensive speech. But, a civil lecture, like you were giving, is not offensive speech. I am embarrassed by loud-mouthed activists that take over lectures.
Critical thinking is no longer part of the degree course. I did a Mathematics first degree in the 1980’s and a subject called “Analysis” was a core unit in the first year. It required you to check facts first before arguing a point. Proving that 1+1=2 is actually a long and protracted process and involved philosophy. Mathematics was once one of the hardest degrees you could study, today’s many Mathematics graduates are sadly lacking basic analytical skills. I am finding those with 2.1 degrees are the least capable and those with 1st Class equivalent to the lower end of a 1980’s 2.2 degree.
This "free speech" problem is exaggerated. Only 34% of Americans graduate from college and these protests are at a handful of universities, with a small number of speakers. The vast majority of speakers talk every day at colleges and have no problem. Shouting down a speaker, while frustrating for the speaker and the audience, isn't a freedom of speech violation but an issue of decorum. Words ARE NOT violence and getting shouted down isn't violence. No one's legal rights are being violated here. Unruly students are a problem for college administrators and campus security.
I was a college student and the idea of actively disrupting a presentation at a college is something that I could never agree with no matter the topic. The fact that you were shouted down shows more then just a loss of free speech, it also shows a lack of basic respect for the people who are willing to volunteer their time to speak about the subjects that the university or college deems important. If one is invited to speak on a college campus it is almost never an impromptu event but a scheduled one with both the students and the campus fully aware of both the person and the topic being covered. Well this can be more of an outline then anything I would find it hard to believe that they would have you speak with no understanding of what you were going to say. This means that the actions of the faculty for not stepping in was something that I would consider shameful both for not stepping in to quiet a disruptive student during the presentation but for also not understanding that your material could cause problems within the student body when they first invited you. Each speech is a important educational opportunity the same as any of the classes a student is enrolled in. If someone's agrees to speak on a topic they should be treated the same respect and status that a professor of the college would get during their class.
Florida State University would love to have you. Power of WE FSU is an initiative to build shared spaces and bridge civic divides; I feel you would love one of our events.
Most people can loudly and proudly admit "I am in favor of free speech*". You'd need a survey designed to see if views are remotely coherent. I mean some people could have a theoretical commitment to free speech and justify free speech spaces to ghettoize it. Or justify mental gymnastics that allow people to speak provided they can ensure no one is able to hear.
I will weep when this series ends. The factual feminist is one of the last true bastions of thought, objectivity (To a subjective standard) and intellect. A flickering candle of carefully gathered thoughts, arguments and opinions in a vast, dark sea of outrage, accusation and ignorance (Not particularly idiocy, just the state of being uninformed). We have entered the age of reputive accusatory assassination; where people don't argue the validity of a claim, rather react based upon its magnitude and shock factor.
The foundation of most of these problems in my mind boils down to the over coddling of children and a fundamental lack of a knowledge of history. The over coddling leads these children into thinking their feelings and ideas are more important than any other feelings or ideas. The lack of knowledge in History makes them perceive their hurt feelings or challenge to their ideas as oppression or an actual attack. Maybe an over simplification but hey I'm a simple guy.
For goodness sake, is greenscreen shot of a bookshelf containing a clock, a birdcage, a flowerpot, a bust supposed to mean something? I'm just asking because it zooms in.
50 year old definitions of what constitutes "controversial subjects" or "marginal", "minority" or "unpopular" opinion are how you can pretend there is no crisis because there is no crisis for YOU or for your own, preferred speech.
I noticed that roughly 1/3 of students in my Research Methods class made negative comments about me in my course evaluations -- because I had exposed them to different points of view. I've never seen this before in my course evaluations in the past. I've also never had students walk out of my Intro Psych class for putting information that I was conveying into a social or political context. The most recent example occurred when I said that I was about to discuss how the use of antidepressants has come about in a social context. Rather than listening to what I had to say, at least one student just walked out of the room. I hope that the silent majority will start to speak out soon so that the views of the vocal minority don't take hold.
Speech is how how we combat bad ideas . and when we strongly disagree , resentment and anger can easily bubble under the surface . When you can't express ideas through words , people will express their ideas and emotions through violence. Speech is how we keep things civilized .
1:10 Gaslighting. In 2022, AEI found that: "The data are clear: The more elite the school, the more likely that its students are willing to silence speech. For elite, academically minded schools, this is not only a complete repudiation of their very mission and reason for existence, it is also deeply saddening to watch as a professor."
if words are equated with violence, I would immediately hang big boards on every wall throught the school building, 'WORDS ARE NOT VIOLENCE'. with a subscript of 'if it were, we'd all need to keep our mouths shut'
I remember when I saw that video. It's disgusting how warped their poor little heads are that they ironically silenced a woman from expressing herself. Quite misogynistic of them.
How would they like it, if some loud group disrupted one of their lectures or similar events? It's downright rude to do this. It made me irate and such behaviour is only causing harm and fear.
Are you doing a reprint of War on Boys? I think it's been almost twenty years since your CSPAN appearance and launch of the last book. It would be nice to get an update on today's climate for boys.
It wouldn't matter if 99% of students supported free speech but not really strongly if the educational institutions don't want it- a lot of universities show they oppose free speech informally or formally.
These are law students. Law students often become lawyers. Lawyers often become legislators. Legislators often become judges. This is not a good future for our nation to be staring into.
Maybe it’s the university’s commodification of education that is the problem, with students being turned into consumers. The paying of large sums of money for these educations creates a situation where the consumer/customers rights might be at the heart of this level of college disruption. Education seems now to be based upon ability to pay rather than intellectual capability. Also we live in a world where many young people have been shielded from the harsh realities of life and from things that may make them feel uncomfortable, maybe due to being driven everywhere and perhaps cosseted, so when they first go into the world they are less hardened than previous generations and find that the world they believed to exist is massively different in reality. I think the world will bend them into shape in due course, as it does us all.
More importantly that denying the one person freedom of speech is denying the community the right to hear! That is what the three protesters were doing - not stopping the speaker and stopping the majority of students from hearing. That can't stand. The majority must have a right to enforce their right to hear - even if it means denying these three right of entry.
One would expect better behaviour from Law Students, but if that is the quality of today’s law students, it is no wonder why iniquity and injustice is sweeping through the legal system.
What CHS lectures about and advocates, open inquiry and criticism of established doctrines is not "hate speech" by any stretch of the imagination. She is not advocating for women to lose the vote, for gay people to be criminalized, or for a white nationalist ethnostate. And yet she gets shouted down at college lectures like nobody's business. It's shocking. I'm old enough not to have had this nonsense all around me when I was at university, but young enough to have seen it starting.
We have allowed ourselves to become a world of whiners in the pursuit of making things nice for everybody. Respect is good, but it must be tempered with good sense. Every crybaby does not necessarily have a valid point. In fact, this emotional need to enjoy a world where they are pampered is ultimately disastrous. We will continue to grow weaker and more disconnected until enough people get fed up with those of us who would rather complain than improve their position, learn to adapt, or just learn to deal with unpleasantness and steer us back into a world where facts aren't ignored in favor of feelings.
I would disagree that free speech is in trouble on campus, I took the opportunity to talk to the protesters outside a Milo's event, way more often than not the protesters weren't even involved in the school in any capacity. I know this isn't a study of any kind, but merely my experience of being a student.
Hi all! Hope you enjoyed the video. An AEI scholar has a proposal to help protect free speech at America's colleges, while also protecting individual choice. Check it out: goo.gl/fVf7Cn
Would you cooperate with Jordan Peterson in creating an alternative to the university system by providing a quality less strictly politically correct education product online? The American University system is not salvageable.
As the father of a bright active four year old girl i appreciate your calm, factual thoughts and presentations. Please keep up the good work our little boys and girls need some reason and common sense
Dain i sadly agree with you. I have genuine concerns for the state of our university systems. I agree with Dr. Peterson when he states they do more harm than good.
I enjoyed the video. But I have to ask, would the Oberlin professor who penned that defense of "censorship" on the grounds of "discursive violence" be prepared to debate Ms. Sommers in a public forum? I think it is time to put these individuals on the spot and force them to defend their fascism publicly.
Robert, that's, I believe, the problem with so many from the left side - and it's not a US specific thing - we have the same here in Germany, though, I'd say - a group of people behaving like that would most likely have been removed from campus. Although back in the 70s this was common in Germany as well.
The problem I am talking about is that they do not see what they do as something bad. They are right, the others are wrong and stopping them from spending falsehoods is a noble deed. They would, I say, protest most violently when you'd accuse them of Nazi-style discussion suppression techniques - though this is EXACTLY what they do.
It does not matter if it's a religion or some other form of ideology - when you drift off into the land of faith and leave the land of facts, proof and reason behind you, you end up in a totalitarian system. But "faith" will throw in the filters so that you don't even notice.
College kids also say 'hate speech is not free speech'. So, while it is true most of them support 'free speech', it is a redefined version of free speech that does not include anything they consider offensive. Which nuters the entire point of free speech laws.
Exactly. I wonder how warped the surveys would appear if the question was phrased, "Do you support free speech that includes hate speech or no free speech at all?"
Force the issue on them by wording it like that. I'm real curious to know what the response would be.
The very first restriction, even one entirely innocuous, Negates free speech. Speech is either free or it isn't. The first sets the precedent for all those to follow. Eventually, all will be silenced.
Whenever anyone says "hate speech is not free speech" the next thing out of their mouth is sponsored hate speech.
...hate speech is not free speech.I think I am sure that those kids who interrupted the lecture are more informed of what is going on in college campuses than she is.They are adamant for a reason.I think it is foolish to be reassured the kids are fine by The New York Timed they don't think assist that college.
They are a minority and people tend to disregard that almost always.I would take a closer look at what is going on because they know free speech means and involves hateful speech.But I think they refer to hate speech as OTHERS NULLIFYING WHAT THEY ARE CLAIMING THAT RAPE IS GOING ON IN THESE COLLEGES.IN FACT I AM SURE OF IT.
There's no way someone is going to disrupt a perfectly respectable lecture like this one to express something in such a strong way! Something definately is wrong here.
What works against these kids is that they are young women is it is a cultural custom for their voices to be drowned out by respectable men or at times even other women in power.So this is exactly why I believe they are getting assaulted the system of mysogony is working against them at it's finest.
Before you say they are just emotional I say to that you would get emotional also if you mattered so little to the system that when you cry wolf THE NEW YORK TIMES DROWNS YOU OUT!!!
When these protesters say they are for free speech, too often what they really mean is that they are for their own free speech, and anyone who disagrees with them should be censored (or apparently shouted down). It would be interesting to see what would happen if these protesters shouting down anyone whose speech they don't like were shouted down themselves when they tried to speak, or had their own speakers shouted down similarly. The reason that they can't see why free speech is so important even to them is because they are the ones doing the shouting down, but they are not experiencing their own speech being shouted down similarly. They behave like toddlers who feel that they should be free to play with any other toddler's toys, but no other toddlers should be allowed to play with their toys. It's long past time for them to grow up and behave like adults who realize that other people have just as much rights as they do.
if designing the survey i might try and express it that way. "would you support your being silenced on subjective grounds in the name of the public good". But the problem with voluntary surveys is people can simply not return them if answering them honestly becomes incriminating.
Nailed it!
In her Lewis & Clark misadventure,
Christina got bitten by censors,
Don't hire their grads,
They're totally mad,
And they all fall apart under pressure!
Thank you, I needed Poetry
Speech is not violence, it's how we avoid violence
Dear Christina, about 10 years ago I worked in the main Brazilian statistical institute: a government agency that is responsible for measuring inflation, population growth, unemployment levels and ... gender pay gap.
Working at this institute I realized that I had been deceived by the media, academy and politicians on this subject, but I could not find anyone who confronted this data.
That's when - by searching the internet - I met you.
You have guided me to a whole new world of ideas, from you, I met new thinkers, reformulated most of my political convictions. I left the left guided by you (and Sowell, and Scruton, and Karen Straughan... and a lot of privileged minds I met once I met you)
I thank you so much for that.
Brazil suffers the same as the US on these issues of 'minorities' and 'freedom of expression'. Months ago I myself was cursed and physically assaulted by university students and professors in a college where I study (the second most important university here) by questioning - in a lecture - the data of a fraudulent survey on deaths motivated by prejudice against homosexual women (they include as "death motivated by prejudice against lesbians" any death of lesbian - including assaulting lesbian who died after the stolen car he was driving to overturn, during a police chase).
I always mention you in my conversations on the subject and there is a large and growing legion of people inspired by your work here. Thank you.
Thank you again Christina for your rational and factual analysis. Ever thought of running for political office?
In Canada, we’ll have Jordan Peterson run!
@@stevekravcik609 a fairly wise person once noted,(I don't know who or when)that the people best suited for political office are also those wise enough to not run.
I'm a parent of two teens, and one is heading to university this fall. Nowhere in all their formal schooling (we homeschooled for a few years) were they taught to read much of anything, to think critically, to debate, or to see things from alternate perspectives.
Their teachers (here in Canada) are all of one single political stripe and entirely beholden to left-wing unions. They spout any and all of their personal or union views with complete impunity, but don't teach children how to think, or that educated debate is healthy (critical!) for a democracy. Not only don't they learn about the values that created our nation and the West, but their heads are filled with every possible sort of SJW trash.
NOT SURPRISING that they land in colleges and universities as junior-SJWers, are unable to think for themselves, and 'feel threatened' by what they 'feel' are 'dangerous' opinions. All I can do is arm my children with information and knowledge, but it feels like they're swimming against a current of wilful ignorance bordering on fascism.
Additionally, Canada's current government (headed by uneducated train wreck Justin Trudeau) is run by the same SJW people who are screaming at these speakers, and they're CREATING new legislation into LAW that gags and stifles free speech. So these idiots are emboldened everywhere.
Thank God for Hoff Sommers, Jordan Peterson, Gad Saad, Camille Paglia, Dave Rubin, and others!!!
3:45 the conflation of speech and violence is why just general text of flirtation between an employer and an employee is considered sexual assault in a workplace. AND I FIND THIS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, RIDICULOUS AND DOWNRIGHT WRONG!!!!!!!!!
I wish my introduction of feminism was factual feminism at a younger age, time and prejudice against me for being white and male (especially in my childhood years in foster care, focusing on foster mothers and social workers). The levels of discrimination done too me and towards me has done more damage too any feminist movements. Yes, I believe in gender equality, no I don't believe in feminist movement can be salvaged. I'm too bitter and too much damage over the years to ever care to show support. I applaud you for being a better and stronger person than me.
I think that, at this point, calling universities breeding grounds for echo chambers is pointless. Which solution(s) are we left with? People like Jordan Peterson can only pushback so far. I guess it's up to enough students to push even harder.
Then at what point does there come the middle ground?
I think the problem starts much earlier. Children have a tendency to like clear morality. Education also wants to teach lessons about issues but has limited interest in moral complexity (like telling kids in the right circumstances, they'd be nazi prison guards). Children's media often deals with the child messiah overcoming the evil, ugly adult or a society that's a thin metaphor for their parents and teachers. If you've been raised to think you're the hero not the fascist, then you can be a fascist with blissful ignorance. If evil is constructed as external, it's not constructed as something inside. Additionally, teachers and parents are expected to be encouraging even if kids are bravely not letting their inability to think affect their desire to parade how wonderful they think they are.
Universities are the intersections of different pipelines in terms of lecturers and students. To change anything, you'd likely need to affect changes at various levels. I doubt you're going to have any luck trying to overthrow the self esteem movement or infiltrating educational theory.
nb: there's probably some kind of balance to be achieved between making kids pronoid with excessive praise and a side of infantalism and traumatizing them with criticism and a dangerous moral universe. And I'd note that any account of the instinct to censor is likely to be incomplete. There's likely to be different things in play.
Mike Schnobrich Culture tends to have an arbitrariness, but I think psychology has some clearish ideas about what constitutes adulthood or mental health. And there are practical requirements to even have a society. I think you use these as moral precepts or for deriving them. Granted with some of this stuff (self esteem, assertiveness, confidence, compromise, shelter, exposure), too much or too little for a kid and you're cultivating a disorder.
I guess it's up to enough students to push even harder.
Or better yet, find other forms of entertainment aside from showing up a speech that no one is obligated to attend to begin with, for the express purpose of shouting that person down. I mean think about it...if folks started buying tickets to a Tyler Perry movie for the express purpose of disrupting the show or showing up at a Fifty Shades flick just to screeching about rape culture, no one would think of trying to market these lunatics as heroes. We'd rightly cart them off to a psych ward where they could get the stability that they require
It's simple: don't go to institutions that allow a minority of crazies to dictate what topics can be discussed via their disruptive methods.
Always those in hegemony forget that some day they wont be in that position anymore and their right for speech might be limited.
Such an important point! The growing conflation of speech and violence is truly a frightening trend. In Canada, where I now live, there is a creeping trend in law to criminalize speech. What they call hate speech may not be things that we want to hear (or even need to hear) but outlawing it is wrong on its face.
Is this a late April Fools video? I am so shocked at people even remotely thinking that Sommers is a fascist, and a "well known one" at that. I'm frightened by the fact that it is accepted to shout down people you don't agree with and just label them a fascist... Which sounds an awful lot like fascism. Never would I have guessed that someone as calm and rational like Sommers would be protested. I would expect this (albeit disapprove it) at a lecture by someone like Yiannopoulos, who can have some very controversial "hot takes". What an absolute bizarre world we are living in right now.
We live in a world where parasites have attached themselves to good causes and have bloated and distorted the entire thing out of control. We live in a world where people feel entitled to be victims and to be protected from having their feelings hurt, and like spoiled brats that don't get their way, they take violent actions to silence the people opposing them.
@@Hauptseite Folks like my parents always said Benjamin Spock was full of it. Thirty years later, on his deathbed, he agreed. This is the result of many of my fellow late end boomers being raised according to his theories, spawning participation trophies and a general lack of accountability for one's own actions. In the same time frame we had Roe v Wade, the explosion of "no fault" divorce, and rather than giving a "problem" child a swift hard smack on the ass or finger snap the top of the head, we decided it would be far better to chemically delete their personalities altogether. Until my senior year I was never in a class of less than 40 students. We behaved because there were real consequences if we didn't.
If speech equals action, can i just stop working altogether, and get paid for talking about work?
Crickets chirping.
Yes people who give lectures get paid.
“ Speech is not violence,” end of moral analysis
The last time toxic identity politics got mixed up with a victim dogma, things did not turn out well.
What happened to. Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me.
tumblr.
I live in Portland and see the politics and these people that shout you down and disrupt you they are a disgrace and embarrassment.
I used to work there and I'm not going back if I can help it
Thank you for all that you do!
Milton Friedman's position was that "Freedom to Listen" is a direct consequence of "Freedom of Speech". By not allowing students to listen, those students were denied their freedom of speech.
Well presented and argued as normal.
Please, activate the option to community translations. I can help translating to portuguese.
Oh man, Miss Sommers words are exactly what people in Brazil need to hear, I wish they allow you to do it, because we need someone like her
Mihzvol Wuriar how is the political climate in Brazil, if you don’t mind me asking?
Imagine feminists and SJWs, now make that the *entire left wing* and even some of the right, there you got Brazil's Political climate, about leaders, Brazil is as divided as the US, there's the crocked corrupt left winger, and the dumb conservative right winger, and if you don't like one, you must love the other, everyone's after everyone's, and that's pissing me off...
That's exactly why I want someone like Miss Sommers to have a voice here, I'm a Libertarian, and she's a liberal, but she inspires me everyday , and if someone's a truth advocate, it doesn't matter their political affiliation...
vc por aqui tbm
spanish would be awesome too.
The saddest part of this is the part that wasn't addressed in the video.
Universities and Colleges should have a zero tolerance policy regarding interrupting classes/lectures/guest speakers. If someone wants to disagree, let them put up the speakers and organize it, not just drown out others in idiotic displays of ignorance. THIS is the real problem.
Shouting someone down is not censorship. It's retaliatory free speech.
You are not stopped from saying what you wanna say by mean words.
Also, there is speech which directly correlates with violence and must be treated this way.
Please keep making videos. I absolutely love your series!
It's typical of my gen z/Millennial peers to claim they believe in free speech, but by their actions and true intolerance this exposes the truth.
oh damn!
dear christina, please keep up the good work! this is unbelieavable.
I possess a unique ability that's an ancient talent long lost. It involves listening to what people say and disagreeing without shutting them down, or ignoring ridiculous ideas. These screaming children need a reality check.
I once called myself a 2nd wave feminist, because I wanted equality for all. Now I refrain to myself as a left of center libertarian, because 4th wave feminism, even at it's base, is against everything I used to stay for ( and yes, I know I'm late to the party ). But thank you Prof. Sommers (nice german name you have there btw) for being one of the two feminist on TH-cam to actually make sense.
BTW: Communists should be controversial (coming from someone whoe grew up in a communist country, so I might be biased)
Yours truly
Shin (not disclosing my real name, for work related reasons, I work at a gamedeveloper)
Dude, these people are adults!! They should not be afraid to hear offensive opinions. What is the point of being an adult if you are too scared of listening something that you do not agree with with? That is something children do. Children are meant to be the whiny ones UNTIL they grow up and realise that being whiny is not acceptable any more.
Ridiculous.
Hi i want to make statement, you are the first person to make actual and factual sense on the internet in the last 20 years
please keep doing this thank you
4:35 Ha ha ha. Dude is eating while they're protesting. Made my day.
* walks out of the classroom, goes to the student and faculty use Alcove kitchen, makes popcorn, shares with all* enjoy the show!
Wow, this is good. I would respect anyone with such a calculated, level headed approach, but it just so happens I completely agree. Keep up the good work.
I'm so ashamed of my generation for containing imbeciles that would shout this brilliant woman before hearing her side of the discussion. Your a class act, Christina.
very well said! It's creepy to see how far they have come already and majority don't stand up against them!
I would carry a megaphone with me and ear plugs; when these disrupters won’t shut up I would continue my talk 😂
This was a fantastic video. Can we get more of this series??!!!
That group shouting was extremely violent, in thought, deed and words. They are the ones who should be brought to account for their actions that are worse than that they are "protesting" about.
CHS on point once again. Keep up the good work.
There can be no social justice without intellectual justice - or free speech or fairness to all opinions. Social justice begins with free speech. Different people have different opinions of what constitutes "social justice" and without free speech anyone's concocted definition of social justice cannot be challenged and tested for bias - and, therefore, for unfairness or injustice.
Christina Hoff, You are a sweet bundle of intelligence and logic wrapped with a ribbon of awesomeness. Keep up the good work! I hope to hear you at a function or lecture someday. You have a true grip on reality unlike these fascist pieces of crap on campus.
Look forward to hearing you at Suffolk U this week.
The psychology of the masses is a pendulum, and we're reaching the tip of a swing. Equilibrium would be our salvation, but we keep overshooting it.
Insightful as always. Keep up the good work ma'am.
Very well done, great job
"Speech is how we avoid violence," no truer words have been said. Because at some point at one of these disruptions someone is going to get up and punch these people in the face.
On another note its quite odd that these people think that everyone else should listen to their disruption. Why is their speech acceptable but not the speaker's? Very odd.
Keep up the videos and thanks!
I've never seen a generation of people clamor so desperately to be victims? It is truly bizarre!
I have became a fan and love the logic you are spreading
I am sick of listening to women's issues! Forget them!
It's not so much of just he term that shows sexism, but the term "Shut Up & Listen' also brings control over a person.
No, free speech is not in danger according to them since their definition of "free speech" is comparable to an apologist's defense of slavery saying they're just "property".
As long as slaves are not considered human, it's not "slavery", they're just "property". "Hate speech" being censored or shut down isn't a threat to "free speech."
they would be wrong, though. since even offensive speech is protected under the law, in fact, especially offensive speech, like when opposing a tyrannical government.
Not in Canada, England, Germany or Australia.... to name a few.
"No, free speech is not in danger according to them since their definition of "free speech" is comparable to an apologist's defense of slavery saying they're just "property"."
Your statement is a classic straw man fallacy. Just because I want anybody to be able to express their views (including Black Lives Matter people, whose views that I consider extremely destructive, hateful lies) does not mean I want to defend the evil institution of slavery (still alive and well in Africa, BTW).
You may be right, TGM. But now my head hurts.
The question is, why is one person's lived experience more important than another person's? Why should one be treated as sacred and protected, and the other not allowed to even be spoken? Why should one person deserve to be heard but not another? Do they ever think about these things, or is it supposed to be self evident.
How the chuff is she 67?
she's been alive for 67 years without dying
crazy10bears you're a genius. Here's hoping that you don't make it that far.
I'm so happy I found this channel. I was raised in a very... male dominated? home. As in, my dad should never have to cook, clean, or do anything. I had to be careful of my thoughts, speech, attitude, dress, etc in order to be a lady, make men happy, and not labeled a slut. It made me who I am today, but the reason I'm happy to have found this series s because recently my mom has finally started believing in female rights and empowerment, voted for the first time, and all kinds of things I'm so proud of. Unfortunately she has been getting all her info from some misguided and crazy feminists and I can't wait to show her these videos and Christina Hoff Sommers work to hopefully help her have a more rounded, real view of where women truly have made it to and she can be proud and happy instead of sad or angry that she stepped out of her box.
I shld edit that he never had to do any "woman" work
The Question is, why do colleges allow some students to disrupt an invited speaker with impunity?
Like your Video. Excellent information.
It is a troubling trend.
I wonder if the rise in intolerance of certain speech is correlated to the rise in obvious hate speech. When you have people shouting "Jews will not replace us" in Charlottesville, it seems natural to me that they would be shouted down. So, I think those kinds of examples are what many students are thinking about when they said that it is OK to protest offensive speech. But, a civil lecture, like you were giving, is not offensive speech.
I am embarrassed by loud-mouthed activists that take over lectures.
I wouldn't be too worried about being shouted down by students at Lewis and Clark Law School. That was probably the high points of their lives.
Critical thinking is no longer part of the degree course. I did a Mathematics first degree in the 1980’s and a subject called “Analysis” was a core unit in the first year. It required you to check facts first before arguing a point. Proving that 1+1=2 is actually a long and protracted process and involved philosophy. Mathematics was once one of the hardest degrees you could study, today’s many Mathematics graduates are sadly lacking basic analytical skills. I am finding those with 2.1 degrees are the least capable and those with 1st Class equivalent to the lower end of a 1980’s 2.2 degree.
This "free speech" problem is exaggerated. Only 34% of Americans graduate from college and these protests are at a handful of universities, with a small number of speakers. The vast majority of speakers talk every day at colleges and have no problem. Shouting down a speaker, while frustrating for the speaker and the audience, isn't a freedom of speech violation but an issue of decorum. Words ARE NOT violence and getting shouted down isn't violence. No one's legal rights are being violated here. Unruly students are a problem for college administrators and campus security.
I was a college student and the idea of actively disrupting a presentation at a college is something that I could never agree with no matter the topic. The fact that you were shouted down shows more then just a loss of free speech, it also shows a lack of basic respect for the people who are willing to volunteer their time to speak about the subjects that the university or college deems important.
If one is invited to speak on a college campus it is almost never an impromptu event but a scheduled one with both the students and the campus fully aware of both the person and the topic being covered. Well this can be more of an outline then anything I would find it hard to believe that they would have you speak with no understanding of what you were going to say.
This means that the actions of the faculty for not stepping in was something that I would consider shameful both for not stepping in to quiet a disruptive student during the presentation but for also not understanding that your material could cause problems within the student body when they first invited you.
Each speech is a important educational opportunity the same as any of the classes a student is enrolled in. If someone's agrees to speak on a topic they should be treated the same respect and status that a professor of the college would get during their class.
Florida State University would love to have you. Power of WE FSU is an initiative to build shared spaces and bridge civic divides; I feel you would love one of our events.
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Most people can loudly and proudly admit "I am in favor of free speech*". You'd need a survey designed to see if views are remotely coherent. I mean some people could have a theoretical commitment to free speech and justify free speech spaces to ghettoize it. Or justify mental gymnastics that allow people to speak provided they can ensure no one is able to hear.
I will weep when this series ends. The factual feminist is one of the last true bastions of thought, objectivity (To a subjective standard) and intellect. A flickering candle of carefully gathered thoughts, arguments and opinions in a vast, dark sea of outrage, accusation and ignorance (Not particularly idiocy, just the state of being uninformed). We have entered the age of reputive accusatory assassination; where people don't argue the validity of a claim, rather react based upon its magnitude and shock factor.
people have gone mad with social media
Well said
The foundation of most of these problems in my mind boils down to the over coddling of children and a fundamental lack of a knowledge of history. The over coddling leads these children into thinking their feelings and ideas are more important than any other feelings or ideas. The lack of knowledge in History makes them perceive their hurt feelings or challenge to their ideas as oppression or an actual attack. Maybe an over simplification but hey I'm a simple guy.
For goodness sake, is greenscreen shot of a bookshelf containing a clock, a birdcage, a flowerpot, a bust supposed to mean something? I'm just asking because it zooms in.
50 year old definitions of what constitutes "controversial subjects" or "marginal", "minority" or "unpopular" opinion are how you can pretend there is no crisis because there is no crisis for YOU or for your own, preferred speech.
I noticed that roughly 1/3 of students in my Research Methods class made negative comments about me in my course evaluations -- because I had exposed them to different points of view. I've never seen this before in my course evaluations in the past. I've also never had students walk out of my Intro Psych class for putting information that I was conveying into a social or political context. The most recent example occurred when I said that I was about to discuss how the use of antidepressants has come about in a social context. Rather than listening to what I had to say, at least one student just walked out of the room. I hope that the silent majority will start to speak out soon so that the views of the vocal minority don't take hold.
As soon as she said she was giving a lecture in Portland Oregon my thoughts were this poor woman...and I was right.
Speech is how how we combat bad ideas . and when we strongly disagree , resentment and anger can easily bubble under the surface . When you can't express ideas through words , people will express their ideas and emotions through violence. Speech is how we keep things civilized .
1:10 Gaslighting.
In 2022, AEI found that: "The data are clear: The more elite the school, the more likely that its students are willing to silence speech. For elite, academically minded schools, this is not only a complete repudiation of their very mission and reason for existence, it is also deeply saddening to watch as a professor."
What do you mean in danger????? It’s gone!!!
Good channel!
Thanks.
if words are equated with violence, I would immediately hang big boards on every wall throught the school building, 'WORDS ARE NOT VIOLENCE'. with a subscript of 'if it were, we'd all need to keep our mouths shut'
**sigh**..... whatever happened to students just going to college and focusing on getting good grades? 😪😪😪
I remember when I saw that video. It's disgusting how warped their poor little heads are that they ironically silenced a woman from expressing herself. Quite misogynistic of them.
How would they like it, if some loud group disrupted one of their lectures or similar events? It's downright rude to do this. It made me irate and such behaviour is only causing harm and fear.
Are you doing a reprint of War on Boys? I think it's been almost twenty years since your CSPAN appearance and launch of the last book. It would be nice to get an update on today's climate for boys.
It wouldn't matter if 99% of students supported free speech but not really strongly if the educational institutions don't want it- a lot of universities show they oppose free speech informally or formally.
These are law students. Law students often become lawyers. Lawyers often become legislators. Legislators often become judges. This is not a good future for our nation to be staring into.
Miss your videos.
Maybe it’s the university’s commodification of education that is the problem, with students being turned into consumers. The paying of large sums of money for these educations creates a situation where the consumer/customers rights might be at the heart of this level of college disruption. Education seems now to be based upon ability to pay rather than intellectual capability.
Also we live in a world where many young people have been shielded from the harsh realities of life and from things that may make them feel uncomfortable, maybe due to being driven everywhere and perhaps cosseted, so when they first go into the world they are less hardened than previous generations and find that the world they believed to exist is massively different in reality.
I think the world will bend them into shape in due course, as it does us all.
She actually said the "gauge rap" is real, she was confused
The kids are definitely Not alright.
More importantly that denying the one person freedom of speech is denying the community the right to hear!
That is what the three protesters were doing - not stopping the speaker and stopping the majority of students from hearing.
That can't stand.
The majority must have a right to enforce their right to hear - even if it means denying these three right of entry.
One would expect better behaviour from Law Students, but if that is the quality of today’s law students, it is no wonder why iniquity and injustice is sweeping through the legal system.
Oh it's simple. You can say whatever you want as long as you're not conservative. Seems simple enough.
Well NBC, the Washington Post and Vox say no. So the answer is yes.
just in my own opinion but freedom of speech gives me the right to say anything i want how i want.
#NotificationSquad
Dont you think the problem is that everyone is afraid of hurting everyone elses feelings?
What CHS lectures about and advocates, open inquiry and criticism of established doctrines is not "hate speech" by any stretch of the imagination. She is not advocating for women to lose the vote, for gay people to be criminalized, or for a white nationalist ethnostate. And yet she gets shouted down at college lectures like nobody's business. It's shocking. I'm old enough not to have had this nonsense all around me when I was at university, but young enough to have seen it starting.
We have allowed ourselves to become a world of whiners in the pursuit of making things nice for everybody.
Respect is good, but it must be tempered with good sense.
Every crybaby does not necessarily have a valid point.
In fact, this emotional need to enjoy a world where they are pampered is ultimately disastrous.
We will continue to grow weaker and more disconnected until enough people get fed up with those of us who would rather complain than improve their position, learn to adapt, or just learn to deal with unpleasantness and steer us back into a world where facts aren't ignored in favor of feelings.
I would disagree that free speech is in trouble on campus, I took the opportunity to talk to the protesters outside a Milo's event, way more often than not the protesters weren't even involved in the school in any capacity. I know this isn't a study of any kind, but merely my experience of being a student.