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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2015
- These 2 were sent to me both dead, for restoration. Here you'll get to see, what are probably both 1957 PAF's, being opened 58 years after they were soldered closed at the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, Michigan. There are some pretty unique things about this set, hopefully I can restore them without having to rewind them, but we'll see. If so, they will be correctly machine wound to the same winding pattern found in all vintage PAF's, but will be wound with modern wire. This is my process with every dead PAF that comes in, the solder joints are opened without damaging the cover or baseplate, please watch my video on how to safely take covers off with the razor blade method. Enjoy this rare video look at the fun of working on these amazing old pickups.
Dave Stephens
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Good demonstration.
Great opening riff played!
Glad you liked it!
Very cool dave
really cool video~!
Thanks.
If you don't mind my asking.....what do you usually charge for rewinding vintage pickups of this caliber?
$125. If its a rare PAF that I want to see, sometimes I do those for free for research value. I've seen vintage PAF's from every year now except late '56 that were in lap steel guitars, usually with the pole screws cut short to fit in the guitar.
Good approach; just like a win-win situation.
SDPickups .....where are you located to do pickup rewinding?
super !!
Does anyone know where you can get the sharp edge covers? ive been after a set for decades.
DMC makes them, but they are the wrong material and KILL the tone in your pickups. Mine are pretty close but not real sharp. Those type of PAF covers weren't around for very long, the dies for the covers wore very fast probably in less than a year.
Just curious to know if those pole pieces when taken out of the pickup is attracted to a magnet or is it a paramagnetic material? Lightly attracted?
Old steel, magnetic. Screws back then were much lower carbon than they are now.
I have a set of mint 61s that came out of a lp and was wondering what they are worth also a prototype bridge and tailpiece set for the 594 (both aluminum) from prs any idea on value?
The '61's if they have the brownish, reddish wire and black leads off the coils, are actually real PAF's. Otherwise with black and white leads they are Patents. Worth very good money. Not sure what you're talking about on the bridge and tailpiece though.
Hi, it looks as if the 6 pole pieces without screws don't touch the magnet. There seems to be some space. Is that correct?
No, the pickup was apart and the two bobbins were not touching, as they were separated at that point.
@@SDPickups Thank you for your reply. I understand both screws AND plain pieces should touch the magnet, right? Even though it looks differently here: th-cam.com/video/MFQ_JcN3Ghk/w-d-xo.html
Hmmm looks like the steel backing plate screws.....on both pickups. I don't see tarnished brass heads..... Do you consider the steel screws inserted in the rear of the coils for the backing plate as hidden pole pieces between the high E & B string...and the low E & A strings......since they are ferrous and magnetic due to being steel like the normal 6 pole pieces in the bobbins ????
The early ones were stainless steel and not magnetic, but it varies and you can't tell by looking at them, you have to pull one out and see if a magnet holds it. No, they are so tiny to have any tonal effect at all. They only go to just under the top of the bobbin and the very tiny point isn't going be picking up signal from the strings. There would be some tiny effect, but you really couldn't hear it.
That was a joy to watch. thanks for the peek into your world. Can't you rewind with the original wire?
***** I've tried to save the old wire a couple times but generally the tape adhesive and age gets hard rock glue stuck in the winds and it breaks the wire if you try to unwind it. Or some winds will be undercut beneath other winds and it breaks there and you can't find the end because it breaks inside. I'm going to try rigging up a new jig and try it on this one coil to see if I can get it off intact. Probably won't work but its worth trying. I did have some NOS 50's wire, for awhile and sold 14 sets off 3 rolls, but that wire is extremely rare to find in this gauge and specific measured diameter.
Probably a slim chance I'll get an answer since this was 5 years ago but I'm curious. Were these old PAFs wax potted at all? It doesn't look like it to me. When did they start using wax in humbuckers and what type of wax was it? Thanks.
SURPRISE SURPRISE, HERE I AM! LOL. No they did not pot PAF's. But, I did see them pot P13's, which were the predecessor to P90's. But it was a light potting by brushing lacquer on the coils. PAF coils don't need potting, because the insulation on the old magnet wire, was almost abrasive and grippy. So even the coil was wound loosely, the coil feels rock hard, so its not going to squeal. Squeal comes from the air gap over the slugs, under the cover. Gibson's covers were not flat but slightly concave, so they were very tight against the slugs. But, PAF's can squeal when you got Jimmy Page standing in front of 100 watt stacks and facing the speakers :-)
@@SDPickups thanks for the reply! This is a surprise ha ha. That is some pretty neat information on how they made the pickups. I have a high quality "lawsuit" era guitar that has very authentic sounding and looking PAF style pickups. I compared it side by side with a 68 Gibson of the model mine is copying. They were spot on. My pickups are a bit microphonic but not enough that they squeal when the amp is cranked. I'm assuming, like the old PAFs, mine are unpotted as well. It even has braided wires and everything. I'd like to find out who made them.
Do you think there is more original wire out there? It would be great to find more. Your pick ups are amazing!
Grant Prokop I am always looking, but in 12 years I only found 3 small rolls. There's alot of vintage wire on Ebay but its all real fat wire for motors and transformers, the right size wire for pickups is incredibly rare to find.
At what point would it it be worth buying the thicker vintage wire and having it re-spun in to smaller wire? :)
When I saw this video in my feed, I immediately thought to myself 'my God, I hope the person taking this thing apart is as good as Possum'. I was relieved it turned out to be you, I cannot think of anyone who is better qualified to dissect this costly piece of history than you. A question I have though is if the slug side was mounted a little crooked? Is this something that would occasionally happen with some PAFs or did spacer/keeper tolerances become more consistent after 1957? If there is one thing I recognize well from my own pickup misadventures is crooked bobbins due to undersized spacers🙄
You have to realize those pickups were all hand made parts. If you get a bobbin thats really full, or both bobbins really full of wire, they bump into eachother and cause a gap between bobbins. There is no magical effect from that. It just was. PAF's changed every single short year they were made. the steels didn't stay the same, as steel manufacturing dramatically changed quickly. The bobbins were really crudely made and are not all identical, from slug to pole. Pickup guys don't know any of this. The butyrate bobbins made now are all wrong, too. Not accurate at all. The pole keepers at the end were stamped holes instead of drilled. I'm in the process of writing a book about PAF's, there's just too much BS written about them by unqualified people who just copy wrong information off the internet. Stay tuned, as I hope to have it done by end of year.
@@SDPickups I can't imagine how misaligned bobbins could be attributed to anything 'magical' at all either, what I see a microphonic nightmare waiting to happen when it gets stuffed into the cover.
I'm familiar with the differences in the types of steels used for the poles/slug/keepers and how the copper manufactured back in the 1950s-60s is different than it is today; I learned it from you on the music electronics forum. I wasn't aware that the bobbins varied all that much aside from the color. I had always thought they were consistent from one to the next because Gibson had them manufactured for them by an outside plastic molding company.
The PAF and it's history/construction for me is a very interesting topic to think about but in practice I couldn't give a damn about stuff like butyrate bobbins in my own pickup projects; plastic is plastic as far as I'm concerned. The way I see it even if I 'do everything right' by using butyrate bobbins, cast alnico 2 magnet, nickel silver cover/baseplate/plain enamel wire, ect, it will still fall way short of the objective, so why bother? If there is any one person who is qualified to write a book about the PAF it would be you. I wish you luck getting it out there, I'm sure it will make a big splash in the PAF resale market 😀
WOW those magnets are quite tall aren't they?!
Great vid!
+morbidalex666 Good eye. Yes, the older PAF magnets were thicker than the later ones. By the time you get to later TTops the magnets got really thin. The oldest ones in PAF's were long but around late '59 they were shorter, probably to make it easier to assemble....
The dark maroon colored wire looks the same as some old pre cbs fender pickups.
Yes, but only in Tele bridges and neck pickups. In strats they used heavy formvar which is a golden color. Jazzmaster and Jaguar also used, plain enamel.
True, I've mostly seen the maroon colored wire on jaguars and jazzmasters. but in some rare cases, I've seen the plain enamel maroon colored wire on some mid 60's strat pickups.
When CBS took over, THEN they started using plain enamel wire, maroon reddish. CBS bought Fender in 1965, thats when the wire changed and the pickups were wound by automated machines, no more hand winding.
that writing at the start was hard to read why didn't you have the words scroll upwards instead of up and back?
Slow your play speed down and you can read it.
Sorry to resurrect an old video, but I just watched it today. Your video does a great job focusing up close on the pickup--how'd you do that? Most videos are a mess of unfocused garbage up that close. Macro lens? What kind of camera? Thanks!
This older video was done on a Canon pocket camcorder, camera. It had macro capability and a great wide angle lens. Unfortunately the damn thing locked up and there was no way to fix it. No more Canons for me. My newer videos where you see extreme high res close up details, I did get a macro lens for my Panasonic G7 camera. I have a bunch of macro photography of vintage PAF's using that camera as well, great camera.