Stop saying this. The Dragonborn LITERALLY has no claim to the empire. He/she's rule wouldn't even be legitimate nor is this really realistic. No one in their right mind would ever follow the dragonborn as emperor/empress
WW1: Germany didn’t invade Russia first or at the same time as they invaded Belgium. They set up a token defensive force, incorrectly assuming that Russia would take an extremely long time to mobilize an attack. Russia invaded Germany while the crack troops were bogged down in Belgium causing Germany to have to split its forces even more. At least that’s what I recall.
@@livethegame4680 But they didn't intentionally started the war on two fronts, the geopolitics of Europe ensured that they would have to fight nearly every European nation this is why Ferdinand tried to preserve peaceful relations with most of the Nations surrounding them.
@@EyesonscreenstudioThey could've just... NOT fought everyone around them. Like. It would've been easy. All they had to do was NOT invade anyone around them. It's actually super easym
@@thespanishinquisition4078 That was true for WWII, but during the July Crisis of WWI, Kaiser Wilhelm and Tsar Nicholas actually tried to stop a war from breaking out between Germany and Russia.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul Austria LITTERALLY asked Germany for permission to invade. And Germany knew damn well invasion meant ww1. All Germany had to do to avoid ww1 starting was tell Austra "Dude chill tf out, we ain't winning this one."
I do not think the war would be anywhere near modern battlefront-based war, even with magic involved. My guess, based on the technology and social structures of both parties, would be that it would resemble warfare from antiquity, with armies moving around, laying siege and trying to find the best time and place for pitched battles.
The fundamentals of war don't change. They are engaging in semi pitched battles, but neither By the time of the Roman empire their was no longer pitched battles at least regarding the romans. For the Greeks they did engage in pitched warfare; however, seeing different ways of the Altmer it wouldn't be that straightforward. They would do whatever to achieve Victory.
There would likely be other reasons for the Skyrim Civil War. One Skyrim would be heavily taxed to pay for damages. It wouldn't nearly be as big; however, there would still be one. The Thalmor would still be looking to influence things. Like Ulfric or even Orsinium. They would be trying to play every side and the empire may just play in to them.
sort of the reason the imperials are forced into it is because Ulfric brought attention to skyrim after what happened at markarth if ulfric kept still they could most likely have kept praying to talos in relative peace
@@Ghost-jq4ey not exactly but the thalmor are indirectly supporting ulfric even trying to stop his execution after he is captured and being taken to helgen
@@banegas0411 every city that the storm cloaks take in game stop the spawn of thalmor patrols in that area. The ulfric being a good thing for thalmor is a brain dead take from people that only read the first half of a single note in the game
The narration for the video is difficult and not easy to understand. Thank you for -not- using an AI narrator. As hard as it is to understand at times I have much more respect for "doing it yourself".
Well thank you. I'm working on not slurring as much it's part of the reason I do TH-cam. Unfortunately I was born with a tongue a little too large for my body.
Bro nerfed the roided up argonians so bad why would they care about cyrodiil when they just sacking morrowind for fun in canon 😂 also thalmor had unstoppable intelligence on the empire until red ring they are stomping the empire
Acting like argonians are good is pretty incorrect since they couldn't take a divided and abandoned morrowind that got volcanic holocausted. Argonians are overhyped tbh
@@Minka-ot9xl Probably to some extent; however, lore indicates they may be technologically more advanced in a way. Two you have to look at it as Morrowind is a different opponent with different skillsets. They also couldn't take much of Morrowind because they never fully succeeded from the empire at least in my timeline. In this scenario they play the opportunists, in which they only attack Southern Cyrodil due to minimal security and not thinking they'll come back. As in the middle of this conflict the Empire's primary concern in the Thalmor.
Post White Gold concordat, my money would actually be on the Dominion. The Concordat was a stupid move on the sort of scale to be apocalyptic. It gave the Thalmor effectively every diplomatic objective they could've wanted. Denied the Empire the province of Skyrim pretty much regardless of the Civil war outcome, and made them lose face with Hammerfell. And time is on the Dominion's side, they take losses worse then the empire, and so will benefit much more from time to replenish their numbers. The empire is disorganized and diverting it's force against it's own people in a moronic attempt to enforce a Aldmeri treaty on them. Utterly ridiculous world building, a commander as competent as Mede, would not turn away the momentum from two devastating victories over a foe with little ability to quickly recoup losses, in order to simply guarantee a second war, that he is essentially certain to lose.
This is a rough translation of a real world analysis of the situation. The reason I put it this way is because at this point Cyrodil is devastated by war. It's populace and economy exhausted. It's not necessarily about momentum, it's about prolonging the war. To win this war they would have to take both Valenwood and the Summerset isles by force. Which may or may not happen. Somewhat similiar to why America dropped the atomic bombs on Japan, except the Empire doesn't have that kind of power. It's simply both would reach some sort of compromise for the meantime; however, neither secretly plan on giving in. The only thing the Thalmor accomplished in this scenario is really disbanding the blades. As in this circumstance would be a small price to pay and they are the most replaceable in the emperor's eyes.
@@livethegame4680 I'm confused I thought this was about the war pre white gold concordat. I was asserting that if you take a realistic look at a similar scenario post White Gold concordat The empire loses every time. Because of what an awful decision it was.
How can we forget that aldemri dominion army or significant part of army got decimated when imperial city was recaptured.... now if white gold concordat was signed cz both parties had significant loses althoug empire had a lot more, it still places empire at advantages.. see Elves are more introverted in nature in a sense ,so their marriages thus breeding process is slow....also due to their eugenic practices,not all elven children born are left to live....combine that they have longer lives and thus takes more time to reach puberty now human,,,we know humans....even at 1 percent increase of population a year compunding over and over ...u can see...if war to come is delayed for lets say another 25 years (elves need more time),human will be replenished more.... and according to lore dragon borns have near god like powers...even unrelenting force is can decimates columns of infantry.... in dominion favour is that Khajits and aragonians are allied that can be thier meat sheilds, heck multiple frontier invasion....also contienant of aldmier can replenish them in theory...also humans are more disorganized...i was reading about fall of france and i felt that france and eng were fighting two seperate wars....their disorganized collaboration was significant part of fall of france..when i see empire i see same stuff, thats why ulfrric needs to die....
@@nosharwali6663 Your mostly right, and I've definitely heard alot of people say the same, but I would argue that while reasonable and respectable this idea is still wrong. You're right about the Dominion receiving a crushing defeat at the White Gold tower, but that means that the Dominion's political and strategic objectives had to change. They needed time to regroup and recruit, but real life isn't like civilization, you can't just breed a new army in the 20 or some odd years that such an armistice would last. The Empire has just gone through two major economic disaster's that have wrecked it's ability to recuperate through simple population growth. Armies need food, weapons, and leadership, and these things were devastated for both sides by the battle of the Imperial city, but time is on the Dominion's side because the elves are fewer, and have less formalized industry, with Alinor relying mostly on boutique craftsmen, not full scale fabrica style production center's like the Empire would have to in order to equip a force as large as the Legions once were, but Alinor was not touched by any of the war's devastation directly while Cyrodiil was devastated. But Cyrodiil ,could use captured elven gear, plus they could have moved it's operations and production to the Illiac Bay, and operated it's recovery out of High Rock while the Dominion would just have to wait for their arms and armor to replenish, meaning the Empire get's it's time whether the Dominion likes it or not. Then Mede could have pressed more of it's larger population into service to begin invasions of Elven Territories immediately, especially with a focus on undermining high elf control of their vassal states, by proving the Legion's to be professional and gracious victors to locals, but brutal to captured high elves. And as for Ulfric, if the concordat is never signed he never becomes a problem. But even if the Concordat is signed and Ulfric kills Torygg as in canon, deploying the Imperial Legion to pacify Skyrim is still the wrong choice, even if you rely mostly on local recruitment, you still decimate the local population of your most valuable province of heavy infantry, which is exactly what the Dominion's objectives were. No matter who the Dragonborn backs Skyrim has been effectively neutralized by the concordat, either it's a devastated war torn occupied slave state, operating at maybe half strength and requiring more manpower to control then it returns in value, or it's a devastated war torn independent state, with so much justified hatred for the empire and all it stands for that it will not intervene to aid it when the time is needed. All those people blaming Ulfric are missing the point. Elven death squads were allowed to drag citizens away in the night to torture them to death in remote facilities. It is only a matter of time before another Ulfric will come along and revolt again, the Empire instead of using good sense and a little trust in the concept of a common enemy, uses it's forces to crack down in favor of the death squads. Of course the people would be furious, they should be, to say otherwise is to say the people in Vichy France should have "followed the law." The actual smart move following Torygg's death would be to back Ulfric's claim, and immediately offer the new High king of Skyrim, a mutual defense treaty against the dominion, and the help of Legion advisors and formerly controlled Legion assets like forts and supply cache's to assist Ulfric in making sure the Dominion was properly expelled. Then utilize Skyrim's navy which is is fairly renowned as well, to work with Hammerfell to make elven resupply efforts on the continent even slower and more expensive then they already are. The other thing Mede should have done immediately was expel or inter the high elf populations in Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and High Rock, and begin dismantling the Thalmor intelligence network. As them having basically perfect information was a great deal of the problem in the first war. As for the Dragonborn's interdiction, I believe Bethesda's canon ending for the Dragonborn takes him off the board, as he becomes the champion of Hermeus Mora, I agree it's lame, the DLC's for skyrim should have basically been the plot of that Mod that lets you go back to Cyrodiil in current year, except you get to usurp the emperor, by right of your dragon blood, but we all know that would have involved way too much ambition on Bethesda's part.
from memory Tullius says they are refusing to send reinforcements and what they did send was so little imperial forces in skyrim are recruiting locally so the legions arent deploying anything significant in skyrim as you said if they did the storm cloaks would be annihilated the empire most likely already turns a blind eye to talos worship where the thalmor arent looking as it is implied multiple legates are still worshipping talos if ulfric didnt shine a massive beacon on skyrim they would very much have been capable as they would have had even imperial forces after the markarth incident agreed with ulfric to not crack down on talos worship breaking the white gold concordant you even see in game with multiple NPCs saying how the civil war has torn families apart the storm cloaks arent exactly popular and how majority of the imperials you see in game are Nords i believe the empire has been in a cold war keeping the very vast majority of the legion in the western regions of cyrodiil and along the borders of Valenwood and Elsweyr for the past 40 years prioritizing rebuilding and fortifying as you mentioned with the defeat of the dominion at the battle of the red ring political and strategic objectives change for them but it also changes for the empire they had one of their gods banned and more importantly SEEK the end of the Empire not just its weakening they would definitely understand the concept of reorganizing and rebuilding and how incredibly important it is you are ignoring things like the Orb of Vaermina which the thalmor lost during the great war that is why their intelligence was so perfect and is what let them win the vast majority of their battles there was no thalmor intelligence network at the time they were using a daedric artifact and the also the empires own efforts with things like the penitus oculatus they are far more then body guards they are trained for spying and assassinations there is no way those thalmor agents are allowed to freely move unwatched also the dragon born has no right to rule that entirely came from the need of having one on the throne for the dragon fires but since they havent been lit in 200 years theres been no need for a dragonborn emperor in 200 years its like if you took one ancient Chinese emperor threw him few hundred years in the qin dynasty they wouldnt have any legitimate right to rule either
This makes no sense. 1. Argonians aren’t marching out in force to attack Cyrodil the Argonians are a tribal people with the only source of centralised authority comes from the Hist so you’d have to somehow convince all the tribes some of who hate and war with each other to attack and seize land from the Empire which would only benefit the tribes closest to the border. Unless the Hist orders this their is no reason for them to do so combined with the fact they are notoriously weaker the farther they are from their Marsh homeland and direct connection to the Hist their armies would be at a disadvantage. The only group that could motivate the Argonians this act would be Morrowind and even then only as a large scale raise not a permanent occupation. 2. The High Elves do live longer true which gives them a larger pool of experiences veterans to pull from and their natural magical abilities make them formidable mages but everyone of them lost is significantly harder to replace as Elves are slower to reproduce.
1. The Hist does centralize the Argonian's; however, they do have politics and are still warlike like every medieval culture. If they see opportunity they'll take it. Like the Great War. Plus Bravil and Leyawiin are more in Argonians terrain and Black Marsh may secretly be the most technologically advanced province. 2. This is a real life translation analysis. Not necessarily a lore analysis. 3. One of the reasons the High Elves lose is they can't replace their fallen mages. Which is why the later have to rely on slave soldiers from Valenwood.
@@livethegame4680 1. Okay I didn't say they aren't warlike I called them tribal people and tribal people tend to be more warlike because they often fight with each other which is the problem with your scenario why would the Argonians amass to conquer these lands that they know they likely cannot hold and would only allow the tribes on the border to benefit from these conquests. What is the motivation for the Southern Blackmarsh tribes to put aside their feuding to attack lands they will never live in. 2. It doesn't matter that the lands are similar they are less effective in terrain that is not the Blackmarsh hence why the Empire never truly conquered the whole of Blackmarsh which indicates they are capable of holding the lands of Blackmarsh but not its fringes. The Argonians may strike out towards Morrowind which makes sense based on their historical rivalry and enslavement but to march against the Empire makes no sense. If the Empire survives or recovers they will easly push them back as they have in the past and if the Empire falls they would stand no chance against the Thalmore they'd just be driven back. 3. Their is no logic behind this attack maybe raiding I could understand tribes do that a lot but conquest makes no sense as either a very powerful tribe in the North would have to waste men and resources occupying land they are less effective in and potentially opening up a weakpoint for their rivals or the Argonians would have to be directed by the Hist to do so neither option is even likely. More than likely they would stay out of it as they have for most their history.
@@ariki9797 The logic is loot and the empire being vulnerable. Also tribal people aren't warlike. All medieval kings were expected to be warlike. The Argonians still fit into this category. The terrain is still buggy where they can deploy they're guerilla tactics. I'm not saying they would hold it forever; however, I think they would hold it for a little while.
@@livethegame4680 Tribals are more warlike then a medieval I know because I come from one the Maori we literally considered a warrior culture, the Zulu, Huns, Mongols all tribal all very warlike. Tribals are more warlike because every clan has their own armed fighters who can at anytime fight over individual feuds, insults or land claims. Without a centralised government their is more conflict.We live in the most peacful point of human history. Medieval Kings still had to convince large numbers of men to fight for them. A tribe only has to convince a small number of men suddenly now their fighting. Medieval armies take a lot of time and resources to muster tribal warriors are a much more rapid response force.
@@ariki9797 Being light warriors are not more warlike. It's a quicker response. All monarchs in feudal society are warlike. They we're all expected to be warlike. As constantly they were at war. Constantly crusading and disputing territories in one way or another. The fundamentals of life don't change. Whether that be war, economy or anything else.
It doesn't matter who wins the war, really. The Aldmeris cannot maintain an occupation beyond Cyrodiil. And they definitely cannot maintain an occupation for a long time... Whether the empire exists is really irrelevant. It's just another polity. But whether you can practice your religion freely is something truly worth resisting and keep fighting for.
I agree with you. In this scenario I see the Thalmor regrouping for some years and trying again later. As their religion is also in their ideology. It's a main fundamental of their overall strategy of taking over.
nah, unified Empire is only shot humans have at fighting thalmor off, if empire and skyrim split it wouldn't achieve anything but splintered human realms that are way easier for the elves to conquer, you're wrong if you think the thalmor are just elves from their island, they're virtually everywhere, they can't maintain occupation beyond cyrodill? sure tell that to valenwood and Elswyr latter of which is literally forgein jungle to other races way more forgein to thalmor than human nature is, yet thalmor still keeps it occupied, they also hold portions of Hammerfell occupied and constantly war with redguards over it, lets also keep in mind that nobody especially nords in Empire even take talos worship ban that seriously it was just one of policies Emperor had to sign to stop the war, stop killing of his people (both nords and imperials) and massive destruction of human realms, thats a small price to pay for survival, it was also the Emperor who led counter attack on imperial city and managed to force the thalmor to negotiating table. stormcloak rebellion did nothing but destabilize already weak Empire (this includes skyrim too) this isn't even just me speculating its pretty much in the game, at thalmor embassy you can see that thalmor wanted ulfric to create a civil war, its obvious why humans slaughtering each other benefits them, at the end of the day, when stormcloak rebellion is crushed, tullius clearly states that sooner or later another war with thalmor will come and that Empire has to prepare for it, the next war will likely make stormcloak rebellion look like a joke in comparsion and if any stormcloaks have any senses left they'll join (or in some cases rejoin) the Empire after all Talos created the Empire in first place if anyone thinks Talos worship ban is something serious or permanent then they haven't been paying attention at how many imperials and pro imperial nords still worship him or at least still hold him in high regard despite what thalmor wants.
The Empire is also seated with High Elf ruins. The Romans after conquering Greece adopted their culture and in their eyes modified it to suit Roman ambitions.
Another ceasefire and the Aldmeri Dominion in serious debt. Which will help ignite the Second Great War. Plus it's more of a Cold War period. Than a ceasefire.
I think you need to site more sources and better explain where you're drawing your info from.... This feels like im proof reading a middle school essay...
It's speculation and translation. It wasn't made to be extremely straightforward. I draw from history and the lore involved, plus a little roleplaying.
The Altmer can be seen similar to the Greeks in their architecture. Other than the Greeks in this situation they are compared to the Germans in World War 1.
I bet on the empire if the dragonborn just decides to usurp the empire
Possible, though he'll need a strategy.
Stop saying this. The Dragonborn LITERALLY has no claim to the empire. He/she's rule wouldn't even be legitimate nor is this really realistic. No one in their right mind would ever follow the dragonborn as emperor/empress
No imperial soldier would lay a finger on the last dragonborn. The Dovakiin is the rightful ruler of the continent.@@livethegame4680
@@livethegame4680 allying with the stormcloaks and using the bend will shout to get an army of dragons
С чего бы ему узурпировать трон? Просто присягнуть Империи, а там уже предъявить свои права на него
WW1: Germany didn’t invade Russia first or at the same time as they invaded Belgium. They set up a token defensive force, incorrectly assuming that Russia would take an extremely long time to mobilize an attack. Russia invaded Germany while the crack troops were bogged down in Belgium causing Germany to have to split its forces even more.
At least that’s what I recall.
I didn't say it was first or at the same time. I said they started a war on two fronts. Fr
@@livethegame4680 But they didn't intentionally started the war on two fronts, the geopolitics of Europe ensured that they would have to fight nearly every European nation this is why Ferdinand tried to preserve peaceful relations with most of the Nations surrounding them.
@@EyesonscreenstudioThey could've just... NOT fought everyone around them. Like. It would've been easy. All they had to do was NOT invade anyone around them. It's actually super easym
@@thespanishinquisition4078 That was true for WWII, but during the July Crisis of WWI, Kaiser Wilhelm and Tsar Nicholas actually tried to stop a war from breaking out between Germany and Russia.
@@KaiHung-wv3ul Austria LITTERALLY asked Germany for permission to invade. And Germany knew damn well invasion meant ww1. All Germany had to do to avoid ww1 starting was tell Austra "Dude chill tf out, we ain't winning this one."
I do not think the war would be anywhere near modern battlefront-based war, even with magic involved. My guess, based on the technology and social structures of both parties, would be that it would resemble warfare from antiquity, with armies moving around, laying siege and trying to find the best time and place for pitched battles.
The fundamentals of war don't change. They are engaging in semi pitched battles, but neither By the time of the Roman empire their was no longer pitched battles at least regarding the romans. For the Greeks they did engage in pitched warfare; however, seeing different ways of the Altmer it wouldn't be that straightforward. They would do whatever to achieve Victory.
Without the Talos ban there would be no Skyrim civil war. Certainly not one caused by Ulfric.
There would likely be other reasons for the Skyrim Civil War. One Skyrim would be heavily taxed to pay for damages. It wouldn't nearly be as big; however, there would still be one. The Thalmor would still be looking to influence things. Like Ulfric or even Orsinium. They would be trying to play every side and the empire may just play in to them.
sort of the reason the imperials are forced into it is because Ulfric brought attention to skyrim after what happened at markarth
if ulfric kept still they could most likely have kept praying to talos in relative peace
@@banegas0411 ulfric is the only one fighting the thalmor in skyrim. The empire let the thalmors take over
@@Ghost-jq4ey not exactly
but the thalmor are indirectly supporting ulfric
even trying to stop his execution after he is captured and being taken to helgen
@@banegas0411 every city that the storm cloaks take in game stop the spawn of thalmor patrols in that area. The ulfric being a good thing for thalmor is a brain dead take from people that only read the first half of a single note in the game
I'D win!
Maybe you would.
@@livethegame4680 Lol, well I seem to be able to win the Skyrim civil war. :)
The narration for the video is difficult and not easy to understand. Thank you for -not- using an AI narrator. As hard as it is to understand at times I have much more respect for "doing it yourself".
Well thank you. I'm working on not slurring as much it's part of the reason I do TH-cam. Unfortunately I was born with a tongue a little too large for my body.
@livethegame4680 congratulations! you must be good with the ladies if you catch my drift😂
Interesting video concept but I have a difficult time understanding you. You slur your words together a lot
I'm a fast thinker.
Bro nerfed the roided up argonians so bad why would they care about cyrodiil when they just sacking morrowind for fun in canon 😂 also thalmor had unstoppable intelligence on the empire until red ring they are stomping the empire
This isn't as much a lore analysis as a real life analysis.
@@livethegame4680 ayt
yeah but the thalmor lost the orb so that intelligence is gone
Acting like argonians are good is pretty incorrect since they couldn't take a divided and abandoned morrowind that got volcanic holocausted. Argonians are overhyped tbh
@@Minka-ot9xl Probably to some extent; however, lore indicates they may be technologically more advanced in a way. Two you have to look at it as Morrowind is a different opponent with different skillsets. They also couldn't take much of Morrowind because they never fully succeeded from the empire at least in my timeline. In this scenario they play the opportunists, in which they only attack Southern Cyrodil due to minimal security and not thinking they'll come back. As in the middle of this conflict the Empire's primary concern in the Thalmor.
Post White Gold concordat, my money would actually be on the Dominion. The Concordat was a stupid move on the sort of scale to be apocalyptic. It gave the Thalmor effectively every diplomatic objective they could've wanted. Denied the Empire the province of Skyrim pretty much regardless of the Civil war outcome, and made them lose face with Hammerfell. And time is on the Dominion's side, they take losses worse then the empire, and so will benefit much more from time to replenish their numbers. The empire is disorganized and diverting it's force against it's own people in a moronic attempt to enforce a Aldmeri treaty on them. Utterly ridiculous world building, a commander as competent as Mede, would not turn away the momentum from two devastating victories over a foe with little ability to quickly recoup losses, in order to simply guarantee a second war, that he is essentially certain to lose.
This is a rough translation of a real world analysis of the situation. The reason I put it this way is because at this point Cyrodil is devastated by war. It's populace and economy exhausted. It's not necessarily about momentum, it's about prolonging the war. To win this war they would have to take both Valenwood and the Summerset isles by force. Which may or may not happen. Somewhat similiar to why America dropped the atomic bombs on Japan, except the Empire doesn't have that kind of power. It's simply both would reach some sort of compromise for the meantime; however, neither secretly plan on giving in. The only thing the Thalmor accomplished in this scenario is really disbanding the blades. As in this circumstance would be a small price to pay and they are the most replaceable in the emperor's eyes.
@@livethegame4680 I'm confused I thought this was about the war pre white gold concordat. I was asserting that if you take a realistic look at a similar scenario post White Gold concordat The empire loses every time. Because of what an awful decision it was.
How can we forget that aldemri dominion army or significant part of army got decimated when imperial city was recaptured....
now if white gold concordat was signed cz both parties had significant loses althoug empire had a lot more, it still places empire at advantages..
see Elves are more introverted in nature in a sense ,so their marriages thus breeding process is slow....also due to their eugenic practices,not all elven children born are left to live....combine that they have longer lives and thus takes more time to reach puberty
now human,,,we know humans....even at 1 percent increase of population a year compunding over and over ...u can see...if war to come is delayed for lets say another 25 years (elves need more time),human will be replenished more....
and according to lore dragon borns have near god like powers...even unrelenting force is can decimates columns of infantry....
in dominion favour is that Khajits and aragonians are allied that can be thier meat sheilds, heck multiple frontier invasion....also contienant of aldmier can replenish them in theory...also humans are more disorganized...i was reading about fall of france and i felt that france and eng were fighting two seperate wars....their disorganized collaboration was significant part of fall of france..when i see empire i see same stuff,
thats why ulfrric needs to die....
@@nosharwali6663 Your mostly right, and I've definitely heard alot of people say the same, but I would argue that while reasonable and respectable this idea is still wrong. You're right about the Dominion receiving a crushing defeat at the White Gold tower, but that means that the Dominion's political and strategic objectives had to change. They needed time to regroup and recruit, but real life isn't like civilization, you can't just breed a new army in the 20 or some odd years that such an armistice would last. The Empire has just gone through two major economic disaster's that have wrecked it's ability to recuperate through simple population growth. Armies need food, weapons, and leadership, and these things were devastated for both sides by the battle of the Imperial city, but time is on the Dominion's side because the elves are fewer, and have less formalized industry, with Alinor relying mostly on boutique craftsmen, not full scale fabrica style production center's like the Empire would have to in order to equip a force as large as the Legions once were, but Alinor was not touched by any of the war's devastation directly while Cyrodiil was devastated. But Cyrodiil ,could use captured elven gear, plus they could have moved it's operations and production to the Illiac Bay, and operated it's recovery out of High Rock while the Dominion would just have to wait for their arms and armor to replenish, meaning the Empire get's it's time whether the Dominion likes it or not. Then Mede could have pressed more of it's larger population into service to begin invasions of Elven Territories immediately, especially with a focus on undermining high elf control of their vassal states, by proving the Legion's to be professional and gracious victors to locals, but brutal to captured high elves. And as for Ulfric, if the concordat is never signed he never becomes a problem.
But even if the Concordat is signed and Ulfric kills Torygg as in canon, deploying the Imperial Legion to pacify Skyrim is still the wrong choice, even if you rely mostly on local recruitment, you still decimate the local population of your most valuable province of heavy infantry, which is exactly what the Dominion's objectives were. No matter who the Dragonborn backs Skyrim has been effectively neutralized by the concordat, either it's a devastated war torn occupied slave state, operating at maybe half strength and requiring more manpower to control then it returns in value, or it's a devastated war torn independent state, with so much justified hatred for the empire and all it stands for that it will not intervene to aid it when the time is needed. All those people blaming Ulfric are missing the point. Elven death squads were allowed to drag citizens away in the night to torture them to death in remote facilities. It is only a matter of time before another Ulfric will come along and revolt again, the Empire instead of using good sense and a little trust in the concept of a common enemy, uses it's forces to crack down in favor of the death squads. Of course the people would be furious, they should be, to say otherwise is to say the people in Vichy France should have "followed the law." The actual smart move following Torygg's death would be to back Ulfric's claim, and immediately offer the new High king of Skyrim, a mutual defense treaty against the dominion, and the help of Legion advisors and formerly controlled Legion assets like forts and supply cache's to assist Ulfric in making sure the Dominion was properly expelled. Then utilize Skyrim's navy which is is fairly renowned as well, to work with Hammerfell to make elven resupply efforts on the continent even slower and more expensive then they already are.
The other thing Mede should have done immediately was expel or inter the high elf populations in Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and High Rock, and begin dismantling the Thalmor intelligence network. As them having basically perfect information was a great deal of the problem in the first war. As for the Dragonborn's interdiction, I believe Bethesda's canon ending for the Dragonborn takes him off the board, as he becomes the champion of Hermeus Mora, I agree it's lame, the DLC's for skyrim should have basically been the plot of that Mod that lets you go back to Cyrodiil in current year, except you get to usurp the emperor, by right of your dragon blood, but we all know that would have involved way too much ambition on Bethesda's part.
from memory Tullius says they are refusing to send reinforcements and what they did send was so little imperial forces in skyrim are recruiting locally so the legions arent deploying anything significant in skyrim as you said if they did the storm cloaks would be annihilated
the empire most likely already turns a blind eye to talos worship where the thalmor arent looking as it is implied multiple legates are still worshipping talos if ulfric didnt shine a massive beacon on skyrim they would very much have been capable as they would have had even imperial forces after the markarth incident agreed with ulfric to not crack down on talos worship breaking the white gold concordant
you even see in game with multiple NPCs saying how the civil war has torn families apart the storm cloaks arent exactly popular and how majority of the imperials you see in game are Nords
i believe the empire has been in a cold war keeping the very vast majority of the legion in the western regions of cyrodiil and along the borders of Valenwood and Elsweyr for the past 40 years prioritizing rebuilding and fortifying as you mentioned with the defeat of the dominion at the battle of the red ring political and strategic objectives change for them but it also changes for the empire they had one of their gods banned and more importantly SEEK the end of the Empire not just its weakening they would definitely understand the concept of reorganizing and rebuilding and how incredibly important it is
you are ignoring things like the Orb of Vaermina which the thalmor lost during the great war that is why their intelligence was so perfect and is what let them win the vast majority of their battles there was no thalmor intelligence network at the time they were using a daedric artifact and the also the empires own efforts with things like the penitus oculatus they are far more then body guards they are trained for spying and assassinations there is no way those thalmor agents are allowed to freely move unwatched
also the dragon born has no right to rule that entirely came from the need of having one on the throne for the dragon fires but since they havent been lit in 200 years theres been no need for a dragonborn emperor in 200 years
its like if you took one ancient Chinese emperor threw him few hundred years in the qin dynasty they wouldnt have any legitimate right to rule either
This makes no sense.
1. Argonians aren’t marching out in force to attack Cyrodil the Argonians are a tribal people with the only source of centralised authority comes from the Hist so you’d have to somehow convince all the tribes some of who hate and war with each other to attack and seize land from the Empire which would only benefit the tribes closest to the border. Unless the Hist orders this their is no reason for them to do so combined with the fact they are notoriously weaker the farther they are from their Marsh homeland and direct connection to the Hist their armies would be at a disadvantage.
The only group that could motivate the Argonians this act would be Morrowind and even then only as a large scale raise not a permanent occupation.
2. The High Elves do live longer true which gives them a larger pool of experiences veterans to pull from and their natural magical abilities make them formidable mages but everyone of them lost is significantly harder to replace as Elves are slower to reproduce.
1. The Hist does centralize the Argonian's; however, they do have politics and are still warlike like every medieval culture. If they see opportunity they'll take it. Like the Great War. Plus Bravil and Leyawiin are more in Argonians terrain and Black Marsh may secretly be the most technologically advanced province.
2. This is a real life translation analysis. Not necessarily a lore analysis.
3. One of the reasons the High Elves lose is they can't replace their fallen mages. Which is why the later have to rely on slave soldiers from Valenwood.
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1. Okay I didn't say they aren't warlike I called them tribal people and tribal people tend to be more warlike because they often fight with each other which is the problem with your scenario why would the Argonians amass to conquer these lands that they know they likely cannot hold and would only allow the tribes on the border to benefit from these conquests. What is the motivation for the Southern Blackmarsh tribes to put aside their feuding to attack lands they will never live in.
2. It doesn't matter that the lands are similar they are less effective in terrain that is not the Blackmarsh hence why the Empire never truly conquered the whole of Blackmarsh which indicates they are capable of holding the lands of Blackmarsh but not its fringes. The Argonians may strike out towards Morrowind which makes sense based on their historical rivalry and enslavement but to march against the Empire makes no sense. If the Empire survives or recovers they will easly push them back as they have in the past and if the Empire falls they would stand no chance against the Thalmore they'd just be driven back.
3. Their is no logic behind this attack maybe raiding I could understand tribes do that a lot but conquest makes no sense as either a very powerful tribe in the North would have to waste men and resources occupying land they are less effective in and potentially opening up a weakpoint for their rivals or the Argonians would have to be directed by the Hist to do so neither option is even likely. More than likely they would stay out of it as they have for most their history.
@@ariki9797 The logic is loot and the empire being vulnerable. Also tribal people aren't warlike. All medieval kings were expected to be warlike. The Argonians still fit into this category. The terrain is still buggy where they can deploy they're guerilla tactics. I'm not saying they would hold it forever; however, I think they would hold it for a little while.
@@livethegame4680 Tribals are more warlike then a medieval I know because I come from one the Maori we literally considered a warrior culture, the Zulu, Huns, Mongols all tribal all very warlike.
Tribals are more warlike because every clan has their own armed fighters who can at anytime fight over individual feuds, insults or land claims. Without a centralised government their is more conflict.We live in the most peacful point of human history. Medieval Kings still had to convince large numbers of men to fight for them. A tribe only has to convince a small number of men suddenly now their fighting. Medieval armies take a lot of time and resources to muster tribal warriors are a much more rapid response force.
@@ariki9797 Being light warriors are not more warlike. It's a quicker response. All monarchs in feudal society are warlike. They we're all expected to be warlike. As constantly they were at war. Constantly crusading and disputing territories in one way or another. The fundamentals of life don't change. Whether that be war, economy or anything else.
It doesn't matter who wins the war, really. The Aldmeris cannot maintain an occupation beyond Cyrodiil.
And they definitely cannot maintain an occupation for a long time... Whether the empire exists is really irrelevant. It's just another polity. But whether you can practice your religion freely is something truly worth resisting and keep fighting for.
I agree with you. In this scenario I see the Thalmor regrouping for some years and trying again later. As their religion is also in their ideology. It's a main fundamental of their overall strategy of taking over.
nah, unified Empire is only shot humans have at fighting thalmor off, if empire and skyrim split it wouldn't achieve anything but splintered human realms that are way easier for the elves to conquer, you're wrong if you think the thalmor are just elves from their island, they're virtually everywhere, they can't maintain occupation beyond cyrodill? sure tell that to valenwood and Elswyr latter of which is literally forgein jungle to other races way more forgein to thalmor than human nature is, yet thalmor still keeps it occupied, they also hold portions of Hammerfell occupied and constantly war with redguards over it, lets also keep in mind that nobody especially nords in Empire even take talos worship ban that seriously it was just one of policies Emperor had to sign to stop the war, stop killing of his people (both nords and imperials) and massive destruction of human realms, thats a small price to pay for survival, it was also the Emperor who led counter attack on imperial city and managed to force the thalmor to negotiating table.
stormcloak rebellion did nothing but destabilize already weak Empire (this includes skyrim too) this isn't even just me speculating its pretty much in the game, at thalmor embassy you can see that thalmor wanted ulfric to create a civil war, its obvious why humans slaughtering each other benefits them, at the end of the day, when stormcloak rebellion is crushed, tullius clearly states that sooner or later another war with thalmor will come and that Empire has to prepare for it, the next war will likely make stormcloak rebellion look like a joke in comparsion and if any stormcloaks have any senses left they'll join (or in some cases rejoin) the Empire after all Talos created the Empire in first place if anyone thinks Talos worship ban is something serious or permanent then they haven't been paying attention at how many imperials and pro imperial nords still worship him or at least still hold him in high regard despite what thalmor wants.
In what way are the Altmer similar to the Greeks? If anything the imperials are closest to both Romans and Greeks.
The Empire is also seated with High Elf ruins. The Romans after conquering Greece adopted their culture and in their eyes modified it to suit Roman ambitions.
another ceacefire
Another ceasefire and the Aldmeri Dominion in serious debt. Which will help ignite the Second Great War. Plus it's more of a Cold War period. Than a ceasefire.
I think you need to site more sources and better explain where you're drawing your info from.... This feels like im proof reading a middle school essay...
It's speculation and translation. It wasn't made to be extremely straightforward. I draw from history and the lore involved, plus a little roleplaying.
first comment muahahaha im so evil and sigman wigman
I'm okay with that.
@@livethegame4680 well thats good. have a fantastic day
You too.
Yeah i can't finish this, sounds like nonesense rambling bro
It seems game theories no your thing.
Jesus patreon already set up with only 40 subs? And what are those prices? Absolutely foul
Patreons a tip jar.
In what way are the Altmer similar to the Greeks? If anything the imperials are closest to both Romans and Greeks.
They also have a good navy like the ancient Greeks.
In what way are the Altmer similar to the Greeks? If anything the imperials are closest to both Romans and Greeks.
The Altmer can be seen similar to the Greeks in their architecture. Other than the Greeks in this situation they are compared to the Germans in World War 1.