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- 2024 KTM 300 XCW vs 2024 KTM 300 XC in a head to head shoot out. youtube.com/@dirtabletv?sub_co... This dirt bike comparison was made with the average or regular rider in mind. The pro's can ride anything and most don't spend hard earned money on a bike. Regular riders do. I have put together this video with the help of my friend Sean Bryant, the owner of the 2024 KTM 300 XCW in this video. I couldn't have done this without his assistance. Huge thanks, Sean! If any of you have questions, feel free to ask in the comments and I will do my best to answer each one. Hope you enjoy the video. If you are a regualr rider and like content from riders like you, please consider subscribing.
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@ 82 years old I just bought a new 2023 KTM 300 Erzbergrodeo, me @ 145 lb. this bike rips, I rode it over Imogene Pass @ 13,114 elev.
Gotta love the grunt traction in the rocky switchback climbs and quick speed needed passing Jeeps on tight narrow sections ...57 hp & 85 mph...yeah make my ride. ~Go faster than the crash~~~~~~Braaap!
82??? Man, you are an inspiration!!! Love it! Congrats on winning life.
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10. Hemorrhoid channeled seat
9. Med's assortment fanny pak
8. LED apply brakes reminder
7. Helmet mount IV drip unit
6. Recluse Geezer clutch
5. Over~rev hearing aid
4. Tip overs 911 dialer
3. Chase Nurse 450
2. Wheelie assist kit
1. Defibrillator grips
~Gasser Classic
@@gastonbelanger5346bad ass !
"You don't stop playing because you get old. You get old because you stop playing." (Saw that on a T-shirt). 60 here, and you are my hero sir. :)
In my late 20's, I had ridden with a guy who was 85. Young fella. :)@@gastonbelanger5346
Great content man! exactly what I was looking for! Good work.
Thank you, glad it helped you! Thanks for the sub too!
Thanks heaps. I really like your your honest approach. In Aus, we mostly need registerable bikes; so the exc. I am looking forward to 300 exc as I have finally decided to upgrade my 525 exc. I’m 54 and being able to walk; get my gear off and load the bike on the trailer after a ride is becoming more important. Again; thanks for taking the time to share you experience.
Very nice, thank you! Happy you enjoyed it.
I have been wondering about this for a while. Thanks.
No problem! Glad I could help ya!
Slower is smoother. Smoother is faster! I am a believer too. Rock on, brother.
Thanks for the insight! Great info
Thanks!
Nice video. I have a 23 300xc all ive done is spring it for my weight. It's an absolute ripper of a machine but most of my riding I use the white map and its extremely manageable and luggable down low for technical trails. No matter which you choose these tbi 300s are excellent machines.
I geared mine down to 13/48 and have the most recent map update. I always run in green and am shocked at how good it lugs!
Im 60 and a new rider I bought a XC because I liked the quickness in the lower gears than the XCW i rode both im 180 lbs in gear . I learned how to ride on the XC and im so happy the bike dances.
As someone who is shopping for a desert race bike and does some single track here in california, this is a perfect review. Thank you for this content!
Man! Great response. Many thanks. Glad I could help, that was the goal.
Man I’m glad I came across your video, great video, really appreciate the honest opinions on both bikes, it’s good coming from an everyday rider, meaning like the other 90% weekend none pros. I’m curious have you ridden the Beta 300 RE would you compare the power of the Race Edition to the XC-W , I’m torn between the Beta and the KTM, all nice rides. Any thoughts or opinions?
Funny you should mention that. Buddy of mine just bought a 23 Beta 300 RR RE. Hoping to shoot that video next. I have already ridden it and it’s a very nice bike too. Motor is closer to the XCW in my opinion. I’ll have to wait until that video comes out to spill the beans but definitely a great bike. While technology is great, there’s something to be said about simplicity. Beta is still old school carb. I do like that!
Yup I’m big, 6’0 220 w/o gear and re-springing my 23’ XCW is all I had to do. I love TPI but look forward to TBI in a few years 🤙
Thanks for watching!
Just brought 2024 ktm 300 xc best bike I’ve ever owned , Great video everything you said is spot on !
Great choice! Thanks for watching!
Great review man! Excellent job comparing the two.
Super nice, thank you!
GREAT video man. Thank you for a good comparison
Awesome to get a compliment! Thank you! Much appreciated.
much more down to earth than Dirtbike channel... great video. we use to ride Royal Blue.. Not sure what part of Tenn.. your doing.
That’s West Point. Appreciate the compliment.
I think Kyle @ Dirt Bike Channel is pretty down to earth. Each his own I guess 🤔
Kyle is a great guy…
Great review, nicely articulated...I appreciate the work put into it!
Thank you! Very kind. More “regular rider” content to come!
great vid! getting back into riding after about 15 years, rode constantly when I was a kid. Am now living in central Texas and will just be hitting trails. Am 6'5 190, any recommendations? 300s scare me from the outside looking in.
Love this message! Always like to hear about people getting back into dirt bikes. At 6'5" I would rotate the factory bar mount to the forward position, likely go with a taller bar and some lower foot pegs. Highland Cycles just did a video on these, check his page out. Don't be scared of the 300. If you leave it in stock form, even gearing, it's not a fire breather. It can take off without ya but any bike can do that. Honestly, the 300 can be so mellow on bottom. I think more than most bikes! The 250 two strokes like to run at higher RPM's and the 4 strokes can get hot and flame out. I'd personally recommend a 300 2t or a 4t like a 350 dual sport. The motors in those are not as high compression and a bit more tame. Regardless, welcome back to the greatest sport on earth! Hope ya consider subscribing, more "regualar rider" content to follow!
Love my 24' 300 XCW.. Just finished 800 miles of Colorado with it. It's a great trail bike and it really feels like a four stroke with lots of bottom end power. I came off two KTM 500's to the 300 and I felt right at home. No doubt the XC would be the faster of the two, but I enjoy the closed cartridge spring forks and the PDS works great. Just wished it came with a map switch.
Damn! 800 miles??? That awesome! Are you still running stock gearing or did you change? I really felt like both bikes need lower gearing for the tough, slow stuff. Thanks for watching!
@@dirtabletv My buddy with a TE300 told me I had to change the gearing to 13/50 and the bike would be perfect. I didn't listen to him and I ran the stock gearing which is 14/45, it's only 2 less teeth less on the rear than the magic combo of 13/50. I thought the stock gearing was perfect. It's got plenty of bottom end to crawl in tough single track and can cruise at 55mph on the transfer sections. For my riding style the stock gearing was perfect. .
I'm 6'1 240 California rider novice rider at that. I have a 450fx so I feel like hearing this I should get the xcw? I ride in Nevada and California mountains a lot. Nothing crazy.
Great video, new subscriber! Your buddy definitely has a little buyers remorse after riding your XC, no doubt!
Thanks for the sub! He definitely liked the added spice and feel/handling of the XC. That said, the XCW with a head and ECU will absolutely rip! I think he is trying to read these comments. If so, Sean, feel free to jump in here!
This is Sean, the XC does have more spice than the XC-W. Can’t really say buyers remorse, but based on that first loop we made if i decided only from that loop yes the XC, however I bought the XCW for what it was built for. Slower, harder obstacles. I do believe once the xc-w is set up for my weight and size it will be an amazing bike. It’s great at stock just not as in your face as the XC. The XC handlebars were set better for my height. The pds is not as stable at high speeds, but mostly because of the rider is way over weight for this suspension. The motor is great. The power is great. You can’t go wrong with the XC-W cause like Chad said, you can spice it up. I’m 52 and a very average rider, the xcw is great. Hope this helps.
@@SeanBryant-mw5jf thanks for your comment. I’m 50 and I’m riding an ‘18 300 xc, which I love, but I do hate how the linkage is more vulnerable to damage, so I might try a xc-w next! Looking forward to more videos of you guys!
@PezRacer. I know you already know about skid plates but I bought an Axp skid plate for my YZ250X and it has protected the linkage from everything. Some reviews showed it was hard to install but actually very easy. We’ll worth the investment.
@@SeanBryant-mw5jf yeah I have an AXP skid plate on my ‘18 and it works well for the linkage, but I hate the look of that tail hanging down. I’ve also used a BPD aluminum linkage guard too.
I got a 21 Husqvarna te300i (tpi with a map switch) last year, which is basically an xcw. I came off of years of mx bikes but wanted something different and was leaning towards an xc type model. However I got a great deal on my te. I absolutely love the bike. I live on the east coast as well so I think the bike fits the trail style here best. Plus it is road legal which gives me better access, as a lot of trails here are closed or are for snowmobiles. Anyway, the xcw would not have been my first choice, since years of owning mx bikes, but I’m more than happy with what I got.
You have a great bike! I much prefer the TE over the XCW for the linkage. I had a TE in ‘16 and a TX in ‘21. TX had the TSP kit. Over 260 hours and it’s been flawless. The added power (smooth power) is awesome but it gives the engine much more oil and the TPI’s are super lean from the factory. My 24 XC seems to be the opposite, very rich off bottom. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! Much appreciated.
Good comparison video. My buddy just got a 23 KTM 300 SX and loves it. I’m looking at getting a 24 or 25 Husky TX300 next year. Kyle @ Dirt Bike Channel said about the same comments on the 24 XCW while Jeff Slavens said the new XCW is the best KTM yet. I think he likes the mellow power versus the XC. Where did you ride out west ? We like going to the desert outside of Bend Oregon 👍
Yep, some like the mellower hit and some of the fastest guys I’ve ever seen prefer it that way. To each their own. I am just an average rider with an opinion that carry’s no weight in the Moto world. That said, I don’t think the XCW is the best KTM ever but it is definitely one of the best platforms ever and this platform gives many riders a base bike that rocks and can get way better with a few cheap personal upgrades. They can’t make everyone happy nor build THE very best bike ever-for all people and all locations. This bike is a giant step in the right direction!
Pretty much what Kyle said about a week ago. He’s giving away his 24 300 XCW and a 23 250 XC in September
I went with the 24 300xc. love it, no regrets. I like that it does not have oil injection. 14/48 gearing, white map. Rekluse. Its like a magic carpet ride.
I just dropped to a 13t and it’s amazing!
@@dirtabletv Single best way to change the power delivery. I bet it rips. cool thing is its easy to try, and the different will be noticeable. I like your vids.
@@eugrules that really means a lot, thank you!!! Yeah, for $11 it’s a cheap way to add power.
I converted my 2022 300 XC TPI to premix and into TBI after it seized 2 times before it had 8 hours in it (trail riding).
After the 2nd time KTM replaced the complete motor with a new crate motor and I was not taking any chances with the new motor.
I did this a few months before KTM came out with TBI and premix. LOL.
I’ll be looking for a 17’-18’ KTM 250 W with a carb. For the North East of the US.
I just got into riding trails and a little bit of hard enduro but still have a lot more to learn and my height definitely a struggle at 5’6” but do you think the xcw would be a good fit?
I do think the XCW is a good choice. It’s the more mellow of the two by design and it feels that way. At your height and weight (me too) any bike will need to be properly set up specifically for you. I’ve seen guys shave seats a bit and even lower the bike but I’d go to a real suspension pro first and work directly with them to get you dialed in! Post pics when you get it! Enjoy!
Lmao! I completely missed that. I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Another thing. I like the bottom end snap. Does the XC Have more of that?
Yes, much more bottom end on the XC. I just had the latest map update and it really cleaned up. Also just put on a 13 tooth countershaft sprocket. Huge difference! Just rode it in the tight stuff and now you can click into 3rd and it’ll pull thru most situations like a 4 stroke. So much better! The XCW could use a hearing change too! It’s 13/45 stock and the XC is 14/48
@@dirtabletv thanks for the info. Just bought a 13 front myself
Sometimes you have to ride slower to get to the finish line quicker! I understand exactly what you're saying.
My 02’ 300 EXC ripped.
I want a one bike quiver for Northern Mi...
I weigh about 230 with gear and like to ride single track, a little bit of moto, and race harescrambles.
I'm torn between a 300 XCW, 350XCF, or 250XCW. I agree that it's easier to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike smooth.
Any advice?
Hmm… based on your situation, I think I’d go for the 250 2 stroke. Can crush enduro and can still scream on the track/cc course. Can still lug as well!
XC-W has a much heavier flywheel stock. less snappy but more inertia for clearing obstacles and maintaining traction. can always add a flywheel weight to the XC.
I haven’t looked into the flywheel weights XC vs XCW but last week we did a 23 mile loop of hard enduro terrain and at 13/48 with the most recent map update, my XC rocked! I was shocked at how well it would lug at less than walking speed. Super impressed. A buddy with me was on a 24 300 XCW and we both had about equal results. These bikes are fantastic! To be fair, the Beta was with us again and he also did very well. Regardless of bike, we’re addicts. I love riding!!!
Great Review!!!
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Thanks for doing the comparison. I ride out west and went with the XC. I'm comparing it to my 2018 XC (Carbureted) along with the 21,22 TPIs which I have rode. I have to say the 2024 is better in many ways. In my opinion, my 18 has more power than the TPI bikes, but with the 24, no contest in the power category. In the suspension category, the 2024 is the clear winner - no contest. I'm like you in that I wish the OEMs would stop specing suspension for 180 pound riders. The majority of every day riders with gear are well over 180 pounds. I also noticed there seems to be less vibration in the bars on the 2024 but I haven't seen anyone talk about that topic. As far as the cockpit, the foot pegs are higher, but for me doesn't make a big difference. I also have to add the stock tire selection is a much better choice for me in the west. Normally I switch the tires before the first ride, but in this case, I'm riding the stock tires. Good stuff Dirtable and keep the content coming.
Man, super cool of you to write all that! Thank you! My 21 TX 300 is the best damn bike I’ve ever had but I have a feeling this one, once I’m done “fixin” it, this bike is gonna be amazing. Power, handling, comfort, etc. Loving it so far. Hope you Sub’d. I’ve got some more “regular rider” kind of stuff in the works!
So you’re saying the ‘24 300 xc has more power and better suspension than your ‘18 300 xc? Any other notable differences? I’m contemplating the same move from my ‘18 300 xc.
i heard your 21 husky tpi is simular. can you compare the tpi with tbi a little more. Great to the smiles are the same
My Husky is a 21 TX 300 with the TSP head and ECU. That bike is flawless and has almost 300 hours now. The new forks are better on the 24’s but the TPI tuned is still hotter than the XCW in stock form. It’s a noticeable difference. That said, the XCW, with tuning will likely out perform the TPI by a great margin. I’m looking forward to riding one that’s been done.
Is the XCW like the XC on the “white” map, as far as power delivery? Thanks
I think the XC in the white map is still more spicy than a stock XCW. Fairly cheap to remap the XCW though and it would rip after that! Thanks for watching.
So I'm not to worried about power as I have no problem re tuning a bike with added compression and port hight and a re map. Suspension i always spring and valve anyway so my question is the two bikes have the same transmission transmission now but how does that transmission compare to the older xc and xcw ?
Adam! Thanks for watching my video. It’s been a while, hope everything is doing well back home. I had Two 2016 Huskies with the wife ratio gear box and me 21 Husky TX that was a pinch closer ratio I believe. My XC came with 14/48 gearing and it just felt weird. Very tall and it makes the tranny feel quite a bit different-taller. The XCW is geared at 13/45, it too feels very tall for our style of riding. When KTM changed the internals and external gearing, it’s kind of hard to pinpoint the new feeling. I’d say definitely taller but the spacing feels good and 1st is still usable at 13T. I know your trails, 2-4 gears are pretty awesome for that stuff. I could see maybe 13/49. I’m in TN now, so much different! More technical and slick as heck. Chad Dwyer
@@dirtabletv interesting for reference we all run around 13, 51 to 13,53 for the technical mountain stuff you guys didn't see and just start in second on the flatter faster stuff. Like you said can't really compare without having the same gearing on both old and new.
I’m at 13/48 now and I do know guys running 13/52 but they seem to do that for hard enduro events then drop back down to 13/50ish for recreational riding
If you ride mountains, the xcw is it. I want the light, PDS, & the lower gearing less clutching. If your xcw isn’t staying planted, increase the rebound on the shock.
speed up the rebound counter clockwise?
My 2023 XC-W (Just Sold It to get a 2024) had two throttle rings available to install. Did his 2024 come with two different rings and is the electronic power valve easily adjustable somehow or is it now all done through the ECU? Just thinking that with some minor tweaks and maybe a different pipe, a person could get closer to the best of both worlds on the 'W'.
I don't know if these bikes are coming with throttle cams or not. My 21 did but the 24 XC did not. My dealer isn't exactly up to date on that stuff and I had to actually tell them I had things owed to me... Dongle, fork decals, lever boots, etc. I didn't get throttle cams. I don't know if the XCW cam with any either. Power valve is now electronic and no adjustments. I like your thinking... I don't like PDS but a TE 300 with a head and ECU would be a great choice!
@@dirtabletv "Throttle Cam"... that's it! I couldn't remember the correct jargon for that part. A different throttle cam could add or decrease the engine characteristics, at an analog level, depending on the choice of the cam if available as you know. So that has me wondering. The inconsistency in the delivery of these smaller parts (that are supposed to come with the bikes) is perplexing. I'm starting to understand, after being out of the sport for a couple decades and now back in, that a lot of buyers don't even know about the throttle cam options and that they should receive those other small accessory parts with their bikes at purchase.
I also purchased a Beta Xtrainer for my wife and my youngest daughter to share along with it being "the buddy bike" for friends and family that don't have one. I lowered it for them with the 2" lowering kit, set the sag for about a 160 lb. rider and took a lot out of the seat foam too. After test riding it once I completed the suspension work, I was blown away at how nimble/fun that bike is to ride even with 2" + or -, of less travel. I'm starting to wonder if the linkage added to the experience between it and my XC-W's PDS. I still appreciate the fuel injection and the overall build quality that's far beyond with the KTM when side by side with the Xtrainer, and I like the added benefits of the PDS over the linkage, but I don't know if those benefits are worth it and I think I need more time on a comparable linkage bike (300 XC-W) to decide what I personally like more. Most of my riding is split between tight woods in the PNW coastal and Cascade mountain ranges and our more open and dry high desserts a couple of hours East. So I need a bike that can do it all well and make me feel/look better then I really am. 🤣👍
My new bike is suspected to be in sometime this month (KTM 300 XC-W HARDENDURO version) and with my 2023 selling so quickly along with a preplanned trip to Gold Creek Lodge in northern Idaho starting mid next week for a few days, I'll be taking the Xtrainer to ride. It'll get a serious workout there. See how it goes.😬
@matthewcrino5826. Yes the XC-W did come with an extra throttle-cam, haven’t had time to change it and see the difference but for my understanding this is the softer version. (If the right wording). Also got all the other extras that Chad mentioned he didn’t get, same dealer ship. Thanks to you tubers like Chad, I was able to figure out what some of the stuff that was in the bag. First time buying a brand new bike. Really like the Hardenduro model your getting, I know you’ll enjoy that one. Hopefully you can find someone to do a video on it so we can all see how it operates.
@@SeanBryant-mw5jf Once it arrives I'll try to put together some public vids on it. 👍🏻
The XCW set up properly is deceptavly fast and often looks and fells slow but man you can cover some very differant ground with very little efort!!!
No doubt that setup needs to be done on both bikes for guys our size. Yes, properly set up PDS works much better than stock. Thanks for watching!
Does the lower map on the xc not put it at xcw power level?
I still felt like the XC in white map was a bit snappier than the XCW. That said, mine is in green map 100% of the time since I shot that video.
The transmission differences would be good to consider.
I could be wrong but I think the only difference in the 24 300's in the exterior or final drive gearing. I believe these gear boxes are the same.
I agree 100% riding slow is faster in many area's, especially tight gnarly woods. The xc-w model is just geared a little wider.
I ride the XC up a gear whenever I can. Seems much easier to ride lose and fluid. Thanks for watching!
@dirtabletv I'm getting ready to buy my old 2011 KTM-300xc back off of my step-dad. I essentially traded it for his Hyundai Sonata because I needed street legal wheels badly!
I would love to buy it back & put a smartcarb on it + a new starter as well as a better stator.
I recognize those pine trees.
West Point?
Will those shrouds on the XCW fit my xc?
Good question. Not sure on that one.
What do you think about the differences in the fork valving?
The XCW just felt softer overall. I'm too big for these forks in stock form anyway but the XCW was noticably less stable in the tight stuff, even on a fire road. We both took off and ran thru the gears and you can visually see the back tire wobble/washing on the XCW. The PDS can be set up properly for your weight and it will then be much better. Still, I much prefer the linkage. If I wanted the XCW, I would buy the Husky TE so I could have linkage. Thanks for watching!
Where are you on your sprockets? Thanks.
13/45 XCW, 14/48 XC
@@dirtabletv So you're at 13 or 14 tooth front on your XC? Unless I misunderstood, thought I read a few posts above where you said you were at 13, which made the bike much more luggable.
@@JSCHNIEDERS1 I was at 14/48 but just after this video, I switched over to 13/48. Big difference.
The pds is going to be bad until it's set up for your weight and speed.
For sure and that is expected but in the spirit of this video, stock against stock (as many riders will leave them) I wanted to show them that way. Appreciate the view and comment
True but there’s no way around the fact the linkage will always perform better
@@aaronnortje3474the pds set up poperly is veey good and does have its own strenghts finding traction in extream conditions and no liinkagae to catch on things is actually a game changer if your in the really tricky stuff
Great honest review 👍🏼
Have you guys set up the suspension for your weight? Set your sag with stock springs as a heavy guy, and the bike will be so nose down, the bike will be un-ride-able. I did not know that in my racing days at 180, but 40 lbs and 18 years later, and a new YZ250 2-stroke I bought,--------needed a lot of work. I don't know what weight those bikes are set for stock, but I would bet a bit you guys need stiffer springs front and rear and make the ride much more confidence inspiring/enjoyable. Unstable bikes can be fixed.
They can absolutely be made better for each rider and their weight/preferences. Nothing was done to these bikes suspension wise for these videos. As I explained in the clip, I wanted to keep them bone stock to give the most equal review and first impression I could give. Yes, both bikes need to be re-sprung. That said, in hard enduro situations, the new suspension (forks) are fantastic in the slow gnarly stuff even though we’re heavier than recommended. They do blow thru the stroke and sit too deep in the stroke as is-for us.
Yeah they most definitely can't use stock springs and expect the bike to handle like it should. That's the first thing I do being a fat fuk myself 6 foot 250. 🌭😋
He said in the video the bikes needed to be re-sprung,... for their weights.
Did you listen to the video?
Great video! I’m still torn between the xc and xcw. I’m picking up a 24’ tomorrow from 3Bros in CA. Im torn cuz im moving away from a 17’ 450RX (Honda) due to having way more power and weight than I need. The bike kicks my ass. I’m 44 and I’m not an overly aggressive rider but I do ride the sand dunes occasionally. Here in the NV desert it’s a mix of hard enduro and open desert. I like the xc but I’m worried that going from the RX to XC, I’ll be dealing with some of the same issues.
3Bros is a great dealer! Took them on a ride in NorCal 2 years ago and had a blast!!! I’m very familiar with your terrain and because of that and your prior bike, I’d only have the XC in those areas. The XCW is clearly capable but given your location, go XC. I absolutely love mine! Better power and overall more aggressive and snappy feel. Whoops are also not uncommon in the desert. Having linkage is much preferred by most in high speed-bumpy conditions. Just my thoughts. Either way, great bikes and a fantastic dealer!
Thx for the response!! I appreciate your content!!!
Anytime! Happy to help!
Got the XC. No regrets 🤙
@@mikemiller8492 great choice! I ride desert in Las Vegas and in northern Washington state. The XC is a great compromise with the map switch. Have plenty of seat time on my buddies TE300i and it’s nice, but lacks the punch of the XC.
Does it feel taller?
In stock form yes, the XCW feels taller
Wonder if longer xcw silencer would tame the XC?
Not sure. Why do you want the longer silencer?
Xcw and TE run longer silencer
Milder power on those
Love mg xcw so far I wish I could have rode them both side by side before I bought them maybe next time I'll buy an xc. But I may not considering they are going to start building them in China this will be my last if that's the case.
Many are saying this but I think Y’all only read the headline. The 790 Duke and Adventure is what China will build. Not dirt bikes we care about.
@@dirtabletv The engine parts on the 2 strokes for sure and probably many more are built by Kymco. Major engine parts like cylinders and such. I wont buy a new one. Hopefully he YZ is still built in japan.
KTM’s are great, but hear me out..for the weekend warrior consider the KLX300R for about 4K less. 1st gear is useless, but 2nd is a tractor. Fast enough in open areas at 65 mph. Spend an additional $1500 for full exhaust and Dyno jet commander and you have a beast.
Could be a great bike but I highly doubt a shopper seriously considering one of these bikes will go to a Kawi 230 but point well taken. Any bike that gets someone out riding is great!
Those bikes are not even slightly comparable
That’s debatable but this isn’t so much about the bike as it is an attempt to tell a potential buyer which bike might best suit them. I thought I made that pretty clear but maybe I didn’t. I appreciate you watching anyway.
@@dirtabletv I’m talking to Troy, I agreed with your comment
I had one, but it was sooo heavy and I taxed the suspension immediately. Not for faster riders IMO
The XC has a SX head from what I heard.
Not sure.
I'm not sure about the extra 9 horsepower. Slavens did a video recently of a halfass drag race with them (although the xc was a 23) and they seemed to have equal acceleration.
That's as unscientific as it gets. Of course Slaven's did that.
I saw that video. Jeff does a lot of great videos, I don't think that was one of them.
@@dirtabletv I agree. But, if they both had it wide open, 9 horsepower would have shown a big difference.
I hear ya but coming from a guy that has ridden them side by side, there’s a big difference man, this is the point of the video. Just look around TH-cam at the high level riders saying the same thing. It’s not to say the XCW can’t make the same or near same power, this is a stock against stock review. In this regard, as per KTM’s own admission, these bikes are a fair amount apart in the HP stats and seat of pants dyno. I respect your opinion but if you’re basing this on Slavens video, I strongly but respectfully disagree.
I have seen some of Slavens vids. I saw enough that I did not agree with and know he has some wrong thinking going on up there. @@dirtabletv
I have never liked the feel of PDS.
Me neither. Properly tuned they can be pretty good but… still prefer linkage.
Back in 2011 I bought a KTM 300xc because I knew in 2012 the linkage was going to be put on. The PDS suspension is great when it's tuned by a good suspension tuner, but I've ridden a lot of KTM's linkage models and have to say they seemed a lot less sketchy and didn't wallow nearly as much as the old PDS with the straight rate rear shock did bounce too much until I went up to a stiffer springs front and rear.
how bout guarding?
What do you mean?
between the two? skid plate? rotor protection? does the xc have less?@@dirtabletv
Gotcha. Sorry about that. Yes, handguards, skid plate (AXP) and rear disc guard.
xcw=hard enduro xc=cross country. buy the right bike
You’re correct. Hard to argue against keeping it that simple.
Thanks for the video. I find it funny when you Californians say West coast trails are no as tight as East coast. The majority of the West coast is dense tight forest not Southern California.
Bob, I spent 30 years helping build and maintain many of the best trails on NorCal and you’re right, there are forested areas with great single track and bunches of it. That said, the south east is much tighter. Cutting down your bars just to get thru is common out here and it’s not just small sections, it’s everywhere. It doesn’t mean that I’m saying one is better than the other but riding east vs west is 180* different. I’d say this to push it a little further… I think east coast riders would adapt much faster out west than a west coaster adapting out here (East). Then there’s the soil… lots of traction out west and super slick in the east. Just my opinion and I’d be happy to ride with ya on either coast.
I think everyone already knows what you said, so this was a captain obvious video. Would have been much better if you would have ridden the bikes filming them in the same areas back to back, and describe the differences. You have both bikes sitting there...
I’ve done that before and got blasted for posting another video of handlebars flying thru trees. I agree with you but I can’t make everyone happy. Sorry you didn’t like it.
If you didn’t like it
Don’t watch
Go to fys and do your videos, I guess you are a awesome rider so you can show us your videos
@@ivnepe Wow, I'm just providing feedback, you have a guy talking in the camera for 15 minutes saying the W is more tame and the XC has more rip to it. I think we all know that, meanwhile you have both bikes sitting there, it would be more interesting to strap that camera to your helmet and have a few minutes on both bikes to put things in perspective. Sorry you can't take constructive feedback.
@@dirtabletv Thanks for your reply, I still enjoyed your discussion. Handlebars flying thru trees? sounds good to me😂 I'll watch that...Take care and I'll keep my eye out for your vids, I appreciate you.
Appreciate the feedback and took it as constructive criticism. All good here. Check out my earlier video. This was my first real tight ride on it and the intent was to ride slower and let the viewer hear the motor lug in lower rpm’s. Remember though, the darn GoPro makes everything look flat and easy…. Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/-T5sU4M1Yzw/w-d-xo.html
9 horsepower more that sounds a little excessive I'm kind of doubting that one
I got that info directly from the KTM site.
@@dirtabletv wow that's incredible
the less HP is actually better with the 300 because it moves the power to a lower more usable RPM, which is what we want for the tight stuff. who of us really keeps our bikes at peak power anyway except for maybe a long sandy hill climb? i'm sure a dyno chart will show the XC-w having way higher torque numbers.