10 bad career moves F1 drivers never recovered from
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- Moving around the Formula 1 driver market is a risk. Sometimes it goes well - see Lewis Hamilton's switch from McLaren to Mercedes for 2013 - and sometimes it turns into a disaster. In this list we've picked out 10 drivers whose F1 careers were never the same again after a switch of teams. The reasons for the change, and subsequent failure, don't have to be the driver's fault, we're simply highlighting moves that cost them career momentum. Who would you have on this list? Let us know in the comments!
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Alonso: "The engine feels good, much slower than before. Amazing."
Thierry Ohlmann GP2 engine
@@gianluccasimao arrgh
Original.... Not
I remember this. Soooo funny.
Gp 2 engine gp2 arghh
Alonso to McLaren was one the biggest oofs in F1
Both times
Thomas Bennett first time was a big W. It was an oof when he stupidly decided to go back to Renault.
biggest oof of his career was turning down red bull
He had no choice as he was fired, along with Andrea Stella and the entire side of his garage. Domenicali, Montezemolo and Massa's ousting and the introduction of Mattiacci and Raikkonen were there to pave the way for what Marchionne really wanted to do: get rid of Alonso. He wanted to do the same thing with Vettel eventually, but he only put half his plan into motion (replace Raikkonen with Leclerc, mandate a Sauber-like car design that suited Leclerc perfectly, put Binotto in charge despite him being a poor fit as a team boss and swap much of the two sides of the garage) before he died.
The real oof is saying no to Red Bull, AFTER they'd gotten their hands on Newey.
Hardbeat Eurobass agree, obviously hindsight is 20/20 but Newey is a winning machine. I think i’d have gambled on Red Bull but they wouldn’t give him a one year deal and I think he was scared of things not working out and then the Ferrari seat closing.
Ayrton Senna to Williams. The guy gets a seat in the car that won several championships, discovers it’s a dog of a car and dies in the process of waiting for improvements that came in two races later and pretty much made it a decent car so that the 2nd driver almost won the championship.
I don't know about you but I try to think as little as possible about the Senna in blue overalls days.
When he signed for Williams it was by far the fastest car on the grid and actually turned out to be much more competitive than McLaren in 1994. He couldn't have anticipated the rise of Schumacher with Benetton or even his very unfortunate death.
Senna did put that car on pole in every single occasion tho, i believe it would have been his absolute year if he didn't have so much extreme bad luck he never deserved to get...
It's true that the car was nothing like the FW14B and FW15C but he could still do miracles with it, and it's true that it was incredibly hard to control, yet eh, just everything went much, much worse than it ever should have
Lol, Williams was the fastest car during those years. He got 3 poles out of 3 races he participated in before he died. The team was still adjusting earlier in that season because of big regulation changes that was intended to hurt the Williams car badly ( banning active suspension etc etc ). End of the season? Williams won the constructor and their 2nd driver almost won the championship lmao. If Senna didn't die, he could have 5 or more WDC.
Hard pills to swallow: Ricciardo will probably never win a championship.
oof
Lewis Hamilton will never die and win in perpituity
Unless he gets really lucky like Button right time right place he may never even win another race let alone a championship.
@@natlmm1 or become like Webber and got no championship
as much as i like danny, he's not as fast as the top 3 drivers right now (Hamilton, Verstappen, Leclerc) so even if he gets a shot at a top team, he has to wish the other 3 drivers has a terible car / season.
1. Alonso Mclaren-Honda 2015
2. Alonso Mclaren-Mercedes 2007
3. Alonso Renault 2008
4. Alonso Ferrari 2010
5. Retiring in 2018 few months before McLaren became the best of the rest
5. Alonso Mclaren Indycar 2019
@@mayser9361 meh being best of the rest wouldnt have really meant anything for alonso anyway.
Those moves apart from the Renault in 08 seemed logical choices when he made them. Had Honda got their engine right like in the 80s we'd be calling him a genius.
Moving to McLaren in 2007 was actually the best decision he could have done that year. It was the best car on the grid and it was only Alonso's ego which lost him the championship back then.
"Andrea Moda were a joke of a team" is saying it nicely.
That's because a joke is succesful
Spyker, super Aguri, some other ones that lasted like a year and left,
On the bright side, it gave us one of the Stigs.
@@supercooled but those left because of funding (and in Super Aguri's case they even managed to be better than Honda while being the B team sometimes), Andrea Moda was basically kicked to the curb for being a disgrace
Roberto Moreno, the eternal "supersub"
The fact the he classified in Monaco 92 with the Andrea Moda is a miracle
Reminds me of Webber's Australian outing in the Minardi.
Is this the only race the true wankers anticipated truly
Ricciardo to Renault it seems.
Yep. #11 for this list.
If he gets the Ferrari seat next year it'll have been worth it
Harry Redmond why couldn’t he of got the ferrari seat if he’d stayed at red bull though?
@@bymafia2606 He could have, it just means his career didn't go backwards because of the move. Plus he got a huge paycheck to sit and wait for Ferrari to open up, instead of having to deal with being in Max's team for that time
Harry Redmond Ferrari probably won’t open up and even if it does he’ll find himself playing second fiddle to Leclerc, so what’s the point? Also everyone rates Max highly if he’d spent a couple of seasons losing to Max it wouldn’t have affected his image much
Eddie Irvine went for the money and he makes no apologies for it
Aidan Moloney same with Ricciardo. If you cant win the WDC might as well go for the money.
were
He also put nothing into the car and everything into being a playboy. Instead of going for the title when he had a chance with Ferrari he just whined that the team didn't back him up.
Kabosumama Doge I don’t agree with that. Ricciardo left because he felt Red Bull were favouring Verstappen and that Renault we’re on an upwards trajectory. He moved there because he thought it would be his best chance to win the championship and he’s moving to Mclaren next year for the same reason
@@Deevo037 I don't remember him ever complaining at the time that the team never backed him, in fact I remember him saying the Ferrari was constantly pushing (whether he really believed that I don't know). Also I don't think it would have mattered what driver jaguar had in their formative years due to the state of senior and mid-level management. Additionally he blew away every teammate he had at Jaguar and got 2 podiums in a car that had no right to be anywhere near the top 3 during those 3 years.
Every move of Alonso basically
Exept when he moved to Renault for 2004 to win his championships
@@Spido68_the_spectator he was with Renault since 2002 mate.
@@TheDiasporaMedia After only a year at Minardi? Ohh... well, let's say him and Renault got f**** up by Michelin leaving F1
One of the most mis managed careers in F1 history. Difficult to give a damn looking at his behaviour .
@@jonathangriffiths2499 that's what happens when you have Flavio managing your career.
God Bless Roberto Moreno and his willingness to drive literally any F1 car. His results in CART later on proved that he was a more than capable driver
Top risky career moves that had paid off:
1. Hamilton from McLaren to Mercedes who only had 1 win at the time. Everybody was questioning his move back then. Some people even thought he wouldn't be able to win a WDC again, you can look up old BBC articles or F1 forums posts from 2013 if you wanna know further of what I'm talking about.
2. MSC from Benetton to Ferrari who were absolutely shit at the time. Even with people like Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne at the team following Schumi's move, Ferrari hadn't been championship contenders as they've only managed to get 1 win in the previous season. Tbh Schumacher could've won more titles in the mid to late 90s if he choose to stay with Benetton but he wanted a challenge.
3. Button staying at Brawn for 2009 season. Allegedly had an offer from Torro Rosso and other teams which seemingly look like the better option at the time given how shit the car Honda built the previous season. It was truly a fairy tale story though how Button went from driving a mediocre car for 2 seasons, watching his team go bankrupt and get (barely) saved by his team boss by acquiring the team and making it his own into winning the WDC despite of the number of people writting him off throughout his career.
Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head pretty sure there's plenty more
All of these moves have actually been very well calculated: Hamilton is a Mercedes' "protégé" and knew what was going on with their "Works'" Team; Schumacher moved to Ferrari all of the crew gave Benetton the 1994 and 1995 Titles; Button knew Brawn was designing a car tailored to 2009 major rule change since late 2006. Yes, they probably had been a bit risky; but it was a very calculated risk, which is what you have to do in F1.
@@TenorCantusFirmus I agree and that's the case in any sport really, you can't be successful if the risks you're taking aren't well calculated. Having said that though, I'm sure none of these people knew for certain that they would be challenging for the title let alone winning it when they've initially joined their respective teams - especially JB who despite having confidence that the 09 car was going to be good he and the team didn't have any refrences to compare/know how good they were, same can be said with LH and MSC too.
Jean Alesi is a good example of this. Without the hindsight we have now, turning down Williams who haven't been title contenders for 3 seasons prior, to join Ferrari alongside his hero and countrymen Alain Prost - who showed Senna and McLaren that Ferrari can fight toe to toe with them, doesn't seem a bad option at the time. But we all know how that had turned out.
EXCELLENT POST!
vettel going to redbull in 2009, after a season in which toro rosso was better than redbull
Stefano Modena: Scored Brabham's last podium, had several strong performances with Tyrrell in 1991 (2nd on the grid at Monaco comes to mind) and then suffered a disastrous move to the Jordan team, running an unreliable and uncompetitive V12 Yamaha engine for 1992, which completely killed his F1 career. Scored just one point for the team in his final F1 race at Adelaide.
Pastor Maldonado: Extremely up and down 3 years with Williams, ending with Pastor accusing the team of sabotage and moving to the race-winning Lotus team...Just in time for the V6 hybrid era, where Williams suddenly became much more competitive and finished 3rd in the constructors, whilst Lotus suffered financial problems and became a backmarker team. Pastor lasted two seasons, and scored 29 points before his sponsor PDVSA hit financial trouble, and his contract with Lotus for 2016 was torn up when Renault bought the team.
Jos Verstappen: After a mixed first season at Benetton, Verstappen senior made a succession of poor career moves. Firstly, he went to Simtek, which folded in the middle of 1995. For 1996 he drove for the Footwork Arrows team, before he was dropped in favour of Damon Hill for 1997. He then went to Tyrrell, Honda, (Until they pulled out from a 2000 entry due to Harvey Postlethwaite's death) back to Arrows and finally finished his career at Minardi. After his first season at Benetton he never had a competitive car again.
Phil Hill: The world champion in 1961 with Ferrari, Phil Hill had a disappointing title defence in 1962 which led him to leave the Scuderia. Many employees of Enzo were unhappy with the way the team was being run, so they left to form ATS, and convinced Hill and teammate Giancarlo Baghetti to join them in defecting from Ferrari. This turned out to be a disasterous decision, since the team struggled to get the car ready in time for their one and only season in 1963, competing in five races and retiring in four of them. When they did finish at Monza, they were miles off the pace, with Hill trailing in 11th. Hill went on to drive one more full season for Cooper in 1964, but his career as a top-line F1 driver was well and truly over.
Damon Hill was already in his late thirties when Williams let him go, and at least he was a good racer when he was on form. Eddie Irvine however I never rated at all
@@allthekingshorses7178 Irvine never took it seriously enough
"Roberto Moreno"
*Story Time intensifies*
I'm so sad for Jean Alesi, he should've been a Williams driver.
Gave up the chance to drive a red car
I think he got an F40 out of the Ferrari deal though, that's a pretty good silver lining!
@@awesomeduder yeah not really comparable to being a World Champion but hey, still a nice car.
He made the right choice at the time.
@@srdjankos4254 Yeah, you have to remember he's making this choice at the end of 1990, when Ferrari came within a Senna barge of the driver's title and Williams were doing well but had just had the first year of engines from a company that at that point in F1 were mostly known for peaking at about that level, both with their own team and Williams. Even if you take out the fact that understandably Ferrari was a massive, massive draw, it's not a silly decision based on what was known at the time.
Overlooked but Kovalainen and Timo Glock never recovered from their moves in 2010
But I thought kovalainen was trusted to push lotus/caterham to high positions. (Something that barely ever happened
DriftyBoi
Kovalainen actually performed very well in 2010 and 2012, shame the car was a brick painted green
Oh cool, an entire Video about Fernando Alonso!
How about Jody Scheckter, who ended his career by NOT moving somewhere else after he won the Championship in '79.
Imagine how dominate Alonso wouldve been had he went to Mercedes-Benz
I doubt it tbh. Lewis was bound to beat him again. Alonso is a legendary driver, but, say, Nico Rosberg had more ambition and was younger to give Lewis strong competition, even though he only won 1 out of 3 WDC against Lewis.
Pretty sure Alonso turned down Red Bull in 2009 which would have been a fantastic move given what era was about to begin.
Nah pretty sure it would have ended in disaster. rosberg and hamilton getting in each others way was bad enough. With alonso and rosberg, fist fights would have begun.
@@bobbyde_pressed4023 Rosberg would have never won a world title had Alonso joined Mercedes
@@kreshnik9354 Alonso and Hamilton were very close in 2007, when Alonso was a two times World Champion and Hamilton was a rookie
10:08 can we take a moment to appreciate how gorgeous the 90s Indycars were, before they moved to an F1 style intake? So sleek.
Story of the 90's: Lot of good drivers making questionable career moves!
Ah, you've been watching Aidan Millward's channel, haven't you? Roberto Moreno gets his very own spot though! To be fair, he did go to CART as it was then and win. I even managed to watch one of those wins in a whacky race lol. He deserved it, though, but boy, he was such an unlucky driver. Good list though!
Great channel. Amazing story time.
It's weird to realise that Villeneuve took his last race win two races BEFORE he won the championship.
xD true
Why is that weird?
There's a few more examples... Scheckter, Andretti, Prost spring to mind
@@gorkab8461 Prost and Schekter retired in short order though (along with others like Stewart and N.Rosberg)
What makes Villeneuve and Andretti odd is that they immediately fell from grace and spent years there.
@@gorkab8461 Also thinking about it, which Champion holds the record for fewest career wins. Keke Rosberg at 5?
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I reckon if Damon Hill had taken a pay cut and gone to Jordan in 1997 he would have won races, judging by Ralf Schumacher's 2nd in Argentina and Giancarlo Fisichella's 2 podiums in Canada and Spa and challenging for the win in Germany in the 197.
True, Jordan had a wonderful car back in 1997, but unfortunately two inexperienced drivers.
Hill was also interviewed by Alain Prost, but said he was concerned the team might be too French, upsetting Prost. Before his accident, Olivier Panis showed the car was very competitive, and Hill could possibly have challenged for wins in it.
Riccardo Patrese from Williams to Benetton for 1993 is worth a mention too. It proved to be his final season in F1 and he scored less than half as many points as teammate Michael Schumacher. He didn't get on with Flavio Briatore either because he felt as though all of the team's focus was on his younger teammate. Williams had offered him the opportunity of staying on for 1993 too.
Kubica signing for Williams in 2019, he could've dominated the midfield in, say, a Haas, because the Haas was bad in one way - overheating tyres. The FW42 was horrendous in different ways thru the season
Haas never tendered
A lot of Kubica fans can't seem to accept that he's a fraction of the driver he was before his accident. He wasn't dominating anything
Watching this today when Alonso is back in the front with Aston Martin is unbelievable. Imagine telling people in 2020 Racing Point would be fighting Mercedes and Ferrari
The Andrea Moda Qualyfing in Monaco is often called Moreno's Miracle, because of the teams reputation as the worst in Formula 1 history.
As a brazilian, it is still teardropping to see the 1-2 finish Piquet and Moreno (two close friends, who grew up together and trusted 100% on each other) had in Benneton, Roberto had potential, but was scammed by Benneton, still, he has a respectable carreer in Motorsports.
"Engine feels good, MUCH slower than before. Amazing."
already knew alonso will be on the list before pressing the video lol
Even as someone who doesn't watch f1 too much i can know Alonso is there
Timo Glock destroyed his career when he moved to Virgin/Marussia/Manor.
Old Dill could have moved to a couple of different teams but seemed to go for the money at Arrows.
Jean Alesi seemed to always be in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's a shame that he didn't get to drive the Williams but I think it was more a case that Mansell became available and there was no room for him at the team anymore rather than he rejected the drive.
alesi career was ruined my schumi tbh ferrari got schumi and didn't want alesi berger was offerd chance to stay at ferrari
Kovalainen as well with the move to Lotus in 2010
Damn I wish those Lotus/Virgin teams had a chance to become midfield teams, it was just sad man
I only learned in the last 5 years that Alesi only won once, I was so surprised! When I was a kid it seemed like he was running near the front every week.
@@Duval-In-The-Wall Trulli as well from Toyota to Team Lotus in 2010.
This is a subtweet at my boy Danny Avocado and I will not stand for this.
😂😂😂
Vettel to Ferrari, especially this years they really screwed up everythin possible
Well it was driver + strategy mistakes that cost him 2017 and 2018 titles, not the car
@@zia1288 Even if you get the strategies right. Driver ruined it completely especially in 2018
@@dougjudy5352 then again ferrari ruined vettel quite a lot of times in 2020. kind of asshole in some way
@@ferryfernandus1423 Yes they did. I am just saying they had the best chance in 2018 and Seb ruined it
@@zia1288 No, he was going against a better driver.....we saw the same last year with Lewis almost taking the crown despite having a slower car, fortunately for Verstapen and RedBull Masi was there
5:04 Piquet says in interviews that Imola's 1987 crash was the end of his career... Not able to perform properly after it (Even winning 1987 championship).
(dis)Honorable Mention: Every Brazilian driver that moved to Williams in the last 3 decades.
Frank Williams has never seemed to value his drivers. There was a rumour that he referred to them as the "organic component of the car".
To a certain level it applies to Ferrari as well
Was a decent move for Massa though.
Piquet was successful in Williams.
@@Deevo037 very correct. not even the champions.
I miss Fisichella, who had been put out from the champion winning Renault (Alonso was preferred and probably better driver in situations with winning pressure). And after his Renaissance at Sauber and Force India, Ferrari offered him a seat to replace Massa After Badoer was a disaster), Fisico could not score any points and his F1 career was over. His last race with Force India was Belgium (his favourite track), where he gained pole (as I remember) and finished second, because the Ferrari with Kimi had KERS and Fisico didn't.
I would like to see a video about f1 drivers who never fulfilled their true potential
To me the hors concours of the who,e bunch was Fittipaldi going from, basically any team he would choose (only Lauda had the same status in 1975) to a family run team for "pateiotic" reasons. I believe Emerson could have been champion at least once more (he was only 28 in '75), and win quite a few races as well. 1976, for instance, he could have won as Hunt did, because if it wasn't for the accident, noone could have possibly had beaten Lauda. In essence he would have done a lot more "for Brazil" winning in a foreign team, than losing in a Brazilian team.
Yeah, he could've won a lot more than he did. He's still a legend but it was dumb af.
That 1996 Benetton was one of the best cars not to win. Great car
Alonso seems to have made a resurgence with Alpine, even outperforming Ocon
For an entire generation Michele Alboreto was known as "Michele Alboreto Seventh."
I think 3 entries on this list were Williams' champions who lost their jobs due to Frank's philosophy of it's the car and not the driver that's winning races and tittles. Sort of ironic to see how this philosophy unfolded in the long run…
Damon Hill failed to secure a seat whilst he was hot property and that's on him and his management. Piquet wanted to be number 1 and hated Mansell that's on him. Prost didn't want Senna as teammate that's on him.
@@markwilliams5540 Nope. First Damon asked more $$ as he was a champion and thought he deserved. Frank Williams denied and so he left the team. Same with pretty much all the others except Prost (which wasn't mentioned on the video so no point including here as circumstances were different and he left 'on top') and Piquet that felt he as 3 times champion deserved to be #1 instead of someone with NO TITLES (and would remain with ZERO tittles till after Piquet retired!) that only got better equipment due to being the same nationality of team owner.
@@caincha i know that if I had been in Hills position I wouldn't have rested until I had a race seat well ahead of time. Williams made him wait until it was too late to hinder a potential major rival ,he shouldn't have allowed that is my point.
Money was certainly a factor but Hill failed to have alternatives lined up and paid dearly.
@@markwilliams5540 Maybe being an English champion son of an English champion he thought Frank would cave - he didn't.
At that point the best thing would be to swallow the pride and take it then fight for the championship once again and use that time to secure a not-so-bad seat - I mean in those days there weren't better seats than Williams so… no real alternative I suppose…?
Vettel from lead into the wall, Germany 2018, also
Montoya leaving F1
Alonso's whole career after Renault 😂
Racing part time in other series when he couldn't get a better ride in f1 doesnt mean jack.
Ricciardo, Red Bull > Renault 2019
Someone tell Renault to remove Cyril !!!
Indeed
I think that's to early to say
It's only a two year contract and honestly, he's spent his whole career with Red Bull and he hasn't won a championship
Don't forget Sainz's move to Ferrari, that was a really bad decision and it hasn't even happened yet
to be fair ferrari might still have more potential to be a winning car than mclaren in the next few years.
ferrari has never not bounced back to top 3, and plenty of money and resource to throw at the 2022 regulations when its time. still a very high potential gamble even if it looks gloomy right now.
Who knows bro with new reg in 2022 they will be back.
@@test-tl8dt that back fired
@@core_russell3869 for now, yes but on a longer term nothing is confirmed. current season is only 1 race in and they already look better than last year.
@@test-tl8dt I was saying that about last season cause sainz almost won
Alesi and Berger worked really well together. They were good friends. Problem is, they worked too well together and were too evenly matched, so there was nothing that made them want to push harder.
As for Hill, afaik he actually got an offer from McLaren which he inexplicably rejected. In fact, so did Barrichello.
And as for Alonso, all but one move was not entirely his choice. He had no drive for 2008 so Briatore gave him a seat while Alonso made it clear that he wanted to go elsewhere, and in 2014 at the end of Marchionne's long and convoluted plan he was fired and once again had few choices available, with McLaren being by far the best one. He should've said yes to Red Bull, but he sorely underestimated Newey and especially Vettel.
Totally agree
These videos are great. (Still driving them well, despite the fact you've "switched teams" 😉)
Sergio Perez also made a blunder moving to Mclaren from Sauber rather than waiting for Ferrari seat. Sad thing is he was still so young when it happened.
Easy to say in hindsight but it was a great move at the time
@@englandgoals9672 Not sure leaving Ferrari young driver program was a great idea
Ferrari never backed youth though and McLaren was a car that consistently won races and had championship potential
@@englandgoals9672 what about Leclerc then?
I feel the most for the drivers here who left to start new projects rather than just switched a team. Drivers with ambition beyond driving should be respected. What else drives (sorry) the sport forward?
Stefano Modena moving from Tyrrell to Jordan in '92 is up there aswell
I thought Piquet would be there, though he did manage to salvage some credibility right at the end at Benetton.
A bit of a shame really, placing the responsability for the McLaren-Honda faillure squarely with Honda!
As is widely known, McLaren buildt a few horrendous cars in that period and placed some idiotic requirements with Honda. Requirements that severely hampered Honda to make a decently fast and reliable power-unit.
Don't believe me? Look at 2018! Who was better, McLaren with (racewinning > Red Bull) Renault engines or Honda with new racing partner Torro Rosso?!
Honda has already proven that in a healthy work-relationship, they can be outstanding!
Besides, Alonso may be one of the best racingdrivers in the world, but he is *no* development-driver! He just yells "It's shit!" and lets the mechanics deal with it...
All his decisions to switch teams were out of frustration, because he expects (besides a hefty fee) the teams to solve *his* problems, always pointing fingers towards others, without *ever* looking in the mirror and search for the flawes in his own approach!
Indeed, the rebound of both Honda and McLaren in recent years proves that neither were complete trash. Maybe they needed to be apart to realize what they had to work on to improve but I feel a frustrated driver like Alonso didn’t help them.
@Gray Catbird
Oh, I think the McLaren *was* complete trash...
This was because in their hubris they thought the car was perfect.
However several people (like Martin Brundle) had been paying attention to the car's behaviour on track (especially in the corners).
It was a p.o.s to drive.
And because the British team had all kinds of limiting demands, Honda was unable to meet those and at the same time guarantee a both powerfull *and* reliable product.
Their challenge was hard enough to step back into the deep end of motorsports (F1) in the new hybrid-era. They were very enthousiastic about their renewed collaboration with McLaren, but instead of ensuring a smooth synergetic flow into a symbiotic partnership, McLaren expected Honda to make everything fit the caoncept *they* had in mind!
McLaren expected the same as their old works agreement with Mercedes, Honda expected to build an engine and McLaren to work the car around it as they did in the 80s and 90s.
It's also worth noting that Honda has significantly shaken up their staff in the F1 department and hired a lot more seasoned F1 staff. And they have twice as much data from testing runs.
The real winner is Red Bull tbh, they get competitive engines for free and commercial support from Honda, as well as more money to spend on car development.
The only thing I can't work out is why Alonso had to cover up the car's performance by blaming the engine.
@Roman Baranovichi
That was naive from both sides.
Yeah, because they are willing to kick anybody out if need be.
Notice how McLaren only started to turning things around after they sacked Ron Dennis and some of the lesser known individuals down the hierarchy and Zak Brown really started to get a grip on the team.
Not sure RBR are getting their engies for free (that *was* the case under Honda's McLaren deal!)
Both RBR and Honda can be considered winners in this case.
It was because of the toxic politics within McLaren under Dennis.
Until the late 2000s, Dennis's "hard-ball" tactics worked well for McLaren, but after that the internal political games and schemes started to take its toll.
I liked Alonso when he came into F1, but as years went on, his inadequacies began to become more and more obvious.
This probably began to annoy him, but he couldn't criticize his boss, so he therefor threw Honda (whom he had a good relationship with for years. [which is the main reason why Dennis hired him again...])
In these modern times a team's topdriver must be a bit of a renaissance-man.
Schumacher started this in the nineties, with fitness training, using a dietitian, working with engineers to learn about the technical side, so he was able to give better, detailed feedback in order to help them develop the car.
Today Hamilton and Verstappen are the best at this kind of work-ethic on the grid today.
@@MasterSandman i wonder if they will experience the same Honda issues when they partner Mercedes in 2021. After all, they didn't do well with Merc (the fastest engine at the time) in the beginning of the hybrid era... Williams and even Force India were outdoing them and their poor chassis.
Jacques really got screwed over after 97. He wasn't like his dad (Who may have won a championship if not for what happened). If Williams didn't fuck up or had he found a better opportunity, he wouldn't have sunk so low. Tragic really.
Agreed!! Alonso made the worst decisions. 1st leaving a McLaren World Champion car to return to Renault and then, after moving to Ferrari, leaving the Italian Scuderia to move back to McLaren-Honda, as mentioned on your very accurate description as the N°1 catastrophic move.
I enjoyed this vid.
Keep up the good work!!
Alonso also leaving McLaren the year before they were back up to the top of the mid-runners in a solid 4th..
U could argue Senna could be in that list. Cos when he went to Williams in 94 he didn't win a race or score a point. But of course he got killed too early in the season to be judged more
I don't think you can add Senna to this list. Only because what Senna signed on to drive and what he got were two different cars. The off-season rule change made the FW16 a stripped car and a real beast to drive. Adrian Newey designed the FW16 around rules that allowed active suspension, traction control and anti-lock brakes. All of that was banned for the 1994 season. Senna was boned because he had signed on before the rule change. Plus he died in only the 3rd race of the season. I think if anybody could have figure out a way to drive that car fast, it would have been Senna.
I would like to remember, although Senna scored no points in 1994, he got all pole positions on the three races.
Damon Hill, which also had a not brilliant season start, almost won the championship after Schumacher's penalties.
It was such a shame Tamburello had no tyres protecting the hard wall.
I remembered that when Senna moved to Williams, FIA banned that active suspension thing. Even Senna complained about the handling.
@@fhz3062 I'd forgotten that. He did score the pole at all three races. Thanks FHZ Zu for reminding me. 1994 was a mess of a year. A lot of finger pointing and I believe cheating. I don't think the Benetton or the Ferraris were legal for much of the season.
Bentton got busted for the fueling system and Ferrair's Nicola Larini told the press he'd been using traction control. He later denied that.
How was Fittipaldi a bad move? He went and won two Indy 500s after leaving F1. His worst career move was drinking orange juice.
About Villneuve's move to BAR: the sad part is BAR wasn't a slow car. Villneuve had several high qualifying positions with it. Not once he was in top 5 during the races too. The car "just" kept dying under him. During races he was several times the first after the McLarens and Ferraris, then bammm, his car slowed down and retired.
In San Marino he qualified for 5th, his car couldn't move from the grid.
In Monaco he started from th 8th, his car got an oil leak.
In Spain he started from 6th, and was p4 when his gearbox died.
In England he qualified for 9th, got stuck on the grid.
In Austria, started from 9th, started well, retired out of mechanical problems once again
On Nurnburgring he started from 8th, was among top5 when retired few laps before the end of the race.
Yeah, i think you can add Ricciardo to this list in 5-6 years.
I think you can already add him to this list
@Aussie Jules Wiener He's 30, and in his 10th season
Red Bull ain’t gonna win him championships.
Aussie Jules Wiener Nah, he's passed his time now. If u don't win before mid 30s the odds go way down. He's gonna be at least 32 after this year and Mclaren.
If Ricciardo had stayed with Redbull..........What would have changed?
Alonso made the mistake when he went from McLaren to Renault in 2008.
I have it on good authority that Damon Hill's move away from Williams was down to him (under guidance from his manager) asking Sir Frank for astronomical wages. To which Frank said a firm no. So Hill put himself in that position by listening to a manager who was branded by my source (who was senior within Williams at the time) as 'a clown'.
Really interesting video - thanx for serving us F1 fans some fine juice to keep us going in these strange and perilous weeks following the coronavirus breakout. Appreciated ! All the best in future. Rx
Ricciardo to Renault... disastrous move. His only hope this year would be if Ferrari sack vettel and offer the job to Daniel.
@@coletrickIe atleat he still has opportunity to win races and consistently fight for podiums.
What is the best that he can hope for at Renault..fucking P4 is like a win for those mid tier teams. Most of the time he would finish P8 to P10 if he has a decent race.
@@coletrickIe and no one said that he has to play second fiddle to Leclerc. If he's quick enough Ferrari will give him equal opportunities. At the start of 2019 the same was expected to happen to Leclerc too but by mid year he'd proved that he was quick enough and could win too.
Phil Hill leaving Ferrari for ATS was, in retrospect, a bad move
Good video. One of the other reasons Villeneuve didn't succeed at BAR was that Jenson Button turned up and started outshining him, which made him quite grumpy
Very nice video. You didn't mention that Schumacher was supposed to have Barrichello in Ferrari the year Irvine arrived. He asked of the team to try Irvine first because he didn't want Barrichello next to him, until he established his reputation in the Italian team.
Looks like ricciardo to Renault/mclaren might be going this way…
Now Alonso is finally back in a frontrunner.
Should Gerhard Berger be on this list....? Great Video....I remember being very excited at the idea of Capelli to Ferrari...and sitting there with my jaw on the floor at how bad that team was that year.
Piquet and Lotus - to this day I still cannot believe that didn’t work out- Lotus never really recovered after the turbo era was done! I feel sorry for Capelli, he was given possibly the worst Ferrari ever in competitive terms, I feel that team/driver synergy played the biggest part of all in all of these partnerships that ultimately failed.
mclaren in 2018 was essentially as slow as williams, his teammate finished 16th on the championship, alonso finished 11th and people say his carrer is over, you cant win with a car that is 2 seconds slower than the mercedes
Top teams won't take him anymore cause everyone sees now what an asshole he is and don't want to work with him. He did this to himself and deserves it
Bonus 11: Vettel moving to Ferrari.
Now he's getting smashed by Leclerc apparently.
If Red Bull had won titles since then I would have agreed but given they have been on par with Ferrari post Vettel´s move to Ferrari (Some wins here and there but no title contention).
Hell, Ferrari have arguably been closer to a title than Red Bull.
@@gamefan56 well, Ferrari could have been much closer (or even get the championship title) if it wasn't for a certain driver that randomly spinning on the track during race.
@@titan_fx Doubtful. in 2017 their reliabiltity and slower engine would have let them down regardless of if Vettel had his Singapore collision.
2018 people seem to forget/ignore the fact that car upgrades did leave Ferrari behind Mercedes in the later part of the season. The upgrades were so bad that once they were taken off the car was competitive again.
So yes while Vettel´s mistakes did hinder their title chances, Ferrari deserves blame for it as well.
As if staying at Red Bull was any better of a choice.
Good old Roberto Moreno. Wonder when Millward will actually make a storytime about him, comnsisting entirely of snippets from his other storytimes where he keeps popping up
I accept this as my life now watching old F1 videos to fill the void waiting for the next race weekend
I skipped the Damon Hill part of as he doesn't deserve to be included still not forgiven Frank Williams for the way he treated Damon (and Nigel four years earlier)
Williams man management and the lose of multiple world champs has always appeared incomprehensible.
Senna would had been the perfect Williams pinnacle of absolute reward. But fate decided otherwise.
I dont blame Frank for getting rid of Hill after how he massively wasted what should have been a championship winning car in 1995 and got utterly destroyed by Schumacher in an inferior Bennetton that season.
Gamefan56 yeah but he helped Williams emotionally in 1994
@@deadmarch101 that's nice, still does not change the fact how he massively bottled 1995 for them.
Ayrton Senna when he moved to Williams...
Technically.
lol
His career hit a wall.
@@DrJReefer bro
why
@@DrJReefer I feel guilty for laughing.
😞😭
the Ricciardo - Renault one looks unpromising at the moment. Guess we'll just have to wait and see but I doubt that choice will bear any fruit.
alesi's spot should be going to ferrari in 1991: his alternative was going to williams, where he would've probably become world champion eventually. instead he only won 1 race in 5 years... but at least he became a hero for every ferrari fan
Also vettel from RBR to Ferrari. He never fully recovered his previous glory
It wouldn't have gone much differently for him if he stayed at Red Bull.
GP2 Engine
Is it just me or 90s' cars looked better than today's cars?
The one race in 1988 McLaren failed to win was the Italian Grand Prix due to one car having engine trouble and the other being beached on a kerb from a run-in with a slower car driven by substitute driver Jean-Louis Schlesser (the nephew of the namesake for Ligier's various F1 chassis), leading to Gerhard Berger (who claimed a win with Benetton in 1997) leading home a Ferrari 1-2 in the first race after Ferrari founder Enzo's passing.
Let add Riccardo to the list eh. Hopefully like Villeneuve he made tons of money as a substitute for not winning any championship, ever.
I don't think he needs money. His father is one of the richest men in Australia. He wants that championship.
he's still got a chance when the new regulation car arrives, that always mixes up the field
Err, the worse move for me was Senna's move from Maclaren to Williams.
Still got pole on every 3 races if i remember right. Just not a right fit for is height since the car was designed for a shorter person aka Prost 🤔
@@CoughingPig nah not the race result he's talking about
@@CoughingPig what are 3 poles if you lose your life? So thats pretty much the worst move possible
@TheWeeaboo how do you came to this conclusion?
@@CoughingPig No because prost already retired.
Egbahl hamidy leaving Stewart might have contributed to Jaguars slump.
He did wonders for Arrows afterwards.
Johnny Herbert, Benetton to Sauber; Barrichello from Ferrari to Honda and the late Andrea di Cesaris, from McLaren to almost every mid to low field team.
Fernando Alonso would've won in 2017, 2018. Coming from a Vettel fan.
If Alonso would have driven the way he drove in 2012,he would surely win the championship in a 2017 Ferrari.
2017, yes. 2018 I'm not so sure as Hamilton was in the form of his life!
@@Euclides287 Vettel almost had it in the bag in the first half.... So yeah.. could've been better.
overrating Alonso as always
Shoulds, coulda, woulda, blah! 😂
What about Ferrari ending Fisichella's F1 career?
Adam Barton it was already pretty much over..what more could he have done? Wasted his chance in 2005/2006
That wasn't Ferraris fault, he had his shot at Renault in 2005-06 and only got two wins out of it...
Fisichella was already on his way out at that time
Almost won in a force India. Didn’t really show much promise with a championship winning car. Gen solos, you are 2 seconds slower than Fernando, how is that possible? Come on, get a move on!
What a disaster for Fittipaldi... He was so good in the 70's and lost his time with Copersucar. I'm sure he could go to Ferrari or return to Lotus... However his Indy's career was excellent with the tittle in 1989 and 2 victories in the Indy 500. But what a shame to have destroyed his second half of his F1's career...
how do i get these amazing pics you have for this video?
GP2! GP2 engine! Arghhhhhhhh!
I hope Alonso returns and this time,the gamble pays off. Lady luck just has to smile upon him should he return.
Only if there's any top team who will accept him. Ferrari and Red Bull are already focused with Leclerc and Verstappen and Mercedes will try to keep Hamilton
@@aslamnurfikri7640 yes you are right. But ther reg changes is anyone's gamble. Maybe Renault can pull it off again. Who knows. I wish if he comes back , he is lucky this time.
He should not come back to F1 at all. He has had his time. Give someone else a seat. Overrated Driver in my opinion anyway. Won his WDC titles because of a superior car.
And who would put up with his arrogance.
@@MJTAUTOMOTIVE superior car? Lmao you have no clue what you are talking about.
@@filipposstavro1233. Ok Fanboi.
The only thing "more to it" with Alboreto joining Larrousse was that his personal sponsor, Marlboro, dropped him from their line up which enabled him to ironically join a team with a sponsor that had previously clashed with Marlboro causing him to leave Tyrrell.
There was more to it than that. Alboreto (Marlboro) paid for the testing of the new Postlewaite Tyrrell and developed into a podium finisher (Mexico 89), Ken Tyrrell then did a deal with Camel without informing Alboreto. Alboreto gets dropped and replaced by Alesi who takes the Alboreto developed Tyrrell and makes his name.
Prior to joining Tyrrell, Alboreto had shook hands with Frank Williams on a deal for 89 until Patrick Head pushed for Patrese leaving Alboreto hunting for a drive late in 88.
@@RobertCorrigan ... yeah I'll agree that Alboreto should have gotten the Williams seat in 1989. He got screwed over there because he wasn't told until just about every other decent seat was filled that they were keeping Patrese (apparently he was also talking to Benetton, but instead of a 5 time GP winner, they went with Johnny Herbert, a rookie who was still in hospital and who they would dump before half season because his injuries hadn't healed. And from what I've heard there, a lot of that had to do with Ford and Cosworth wanting a British driver. Benetton already had Nannini.....).
And I knew about the Tyrrell testing, but didn't know that Marlboro actually financed it prior to his Mexico podium. The things you learn....
Also Fisichella from FI to Ferrari. Ended the guy's career effectively.
He was a,ready past his sell by date.
My selection for #1 F1 and Bernie Ecclestone
Ecclestone turned F1 into a show it is today. He may had his antics but without his contribution F1 will not be the popular sport we know
@@aslamnurfikri7640 Exactly - its a sh^%tshow. He made decisions for short term gain only. Positive feedback loops, uneven distribution of funds, ignoring electric power, making stupid rulesets, band aid techniques.
Hes not a billionaire by accident - hes a great businessman, but he was never in it for the sport of F1, he was only ever in it to make money - there is no argument.
F1 has never recovered. F1 is becoming less relevant as a sport.
I hope Liberty can turn it around.
Graeme S Bernie’s influence peaked in the mid 2000s and I know for a fact you don’t think that was shit.
Why are you so bothered about the money anyway? Didn’t affect you sitting on your ass at home
@@graemes8187 Not going to happen. F-1 has been talking about cost cutting for many years, and now F-1 has to face the music.
Worthwhile mentioning that Alonso is now a double Le Mans winner although the Indy 500 still remains elusive.
Funny how he waited until there was no competition at Le Mans.
tbh I doubt he'll ever win the 500, the only old guys that win it are the guys that have already won it before or raced in it for a long long time. LeMans is a whole different thing (specially when your only competition is exactly one single car)
Really good video. Seemed like a lot of moves to and moves from Ferrari were involved. Roberto Mereno was the King Innocent Victim of the group. I personally think that Fittipaldi was the #1 worst move. The move made absolutely no sense and was far crazier at the time than Alonso's.
its pretty scary when fernando move explaination rolls , i got honda brio ads