Agreed - wear the Sub and start saving for the 16710. Together with the Speedy they’ll make a very nice 3 watch collection. I don’t have a stainless Sub or 16710, but I DO have a modern all-black ceramic GMT and a neo-vintage Pepsi 16700. The modern watch is great for everyday wear. It’s been my daily for over a decade. My 16700 is extra minty. I baby it much more, even being mindful of sun exposure and potential fading of bezel or dial. In short, my advice would be similar. Start wearing the Sub and saving for a nice older GMT. There’s definitely room for both in the collection.
Awesome video! A very thorough response! (I smiled when at 2:11 you featured a black-dial 16570 while saying "I'm a Wilsdorf guy.... The more Rolexes in a collection the better.")
Thank you, Mr. Coronet! The more Rolex watches the better, and yet, less is more. As Wilsdorf men, we must live the riddle, and embrace the paradox of The Crown.
I traded my ceramic Sub for a neo-vintage, minty Day Date 18238. Best trade I've ever made. If he hasn't worn his Sub in the 2 years he has owned it, then the answer is obvious - trade it for a minty 16710. The pre-ceramics wear a lot better. Cheers!
That's a good point. If the Sub hasn't tempted him into wearing it for 2 years, it just might not be the watch for him. Something tells me that him pulling it out of the box and wearing may be a form of settling. And I'm no fan of settling, as it usually ends in regret. If it's been a struggle for him to resist wearing the watch, that one thing. If it's been a struggle for him to appreciate it, it's another.
I would suggest he try on the 16710 and compare the wearing comfort with the new sub. My personal experience is the new sub wear too bulky while as the gmt is so comfortable especially on a jubilee bracelet. Like Austin mentioned you can also switch the gmt to the oyster for a more tooly feel and looks. Having the various bezel insert options really make the difference especially if he doesn’t want too many expensive watches around but yet have the option to ‘switch up’ his ‘collection’ with the 16710. Not mentioning the fun of hunting for the genuine bezel inserts.
I feel the same way, having Tudor, Omega, IWC and Rolex. In the end, only a Rolex quenches that ‘thirst’. As much as I dislike the grey market and Rolex AD, it’s still one of the best choices. Omega and IWC etc are great watches, just didn’t work for me somehow.
I went to Nakano yesterday and saw several black bezel 16710’s! Not a lot of coke and the pepsi seemed the rarest. All are quite pricey though hovering around 1.8m yen. It seems like people have been buying them up 😄
castillo - i wear my rolex sub date as my daily wear watch. it is a fantastic rolex watch. - wear it, go for a GMT in a couple of years ( or sooner ). good luck on your call . -- WS - is a great channel, no BS . thanks. ~. JDS/CT
hi austin - i'd say castello has 2 questions: 1) modern or vintage, and 2) sub or gmt. without answering those 2 questions, we will forever speculate what's best for castello
I think thats a great advice for him to wear the sub since it makes the most sense for his age. Also the sentimental value of being able to buy it brand new with his name on the papers. On another note, younger enthusiasts who like preceramics are in a bit of a difficult decision since Tudors are really the only brand left who does aluminum bezels 😅
My advice: as the Speedy is already a monochrome Watch, I would Go for the 16701 with all the options to adapt this Watch. I had a Similiar Problem: speedy or Sub. The result After 20 years was: speedy and later 16701 😅
I'm just curious about why he is not wearing the Sub. I sincerely don't think you'll lose any money by wearing it. Do you really need the extra premium you'll get by not wearing it? I'd wear that thing. I have it and it's a great watch. I'm lucky to have a new ceramic Pepsi, but I'm also looking for a 5 digit model as well. I may come to Japan and ask Austin to help me. LOL. I have actually discussed it with my wife.
I think thats perfect advice Austin, enjoy what you have and bide your time because yeah that would be a near perfect steel 3 watch collection (although ive always preferred the sub with no date) .
Great points amigo! BTW Austin, I'm heading to Tokyo in a couple weeks. I know you've mentioned Nakano Broadway as the place to go in Tokyo but are the deals better in smaller towns? What about Osaka? Lol, tried using rakuten to find an early 2000 explorer 2 with the new movent but the translation app is killing me 😂.
Great to see you Austin. This completely depends on this guy’s lifestyle IMO. The modern sub has superb durability. The Pepsi is a true vintage piece. Gotta be a bit more careful
I have the current model Submariner. To be honest, I do, in many occations, want to replace it with a pre-ceramic Sub or GMT Master II. What prevents me from doing so is the lack of access to brick and mortar shops and I am not comfortable with doing such purchase online.
I had the 41mm Date Sub and it was incredibly boring. Much prefer my six digit GMT. As to the vintage watch, I was in a shop recently and tried on a 1680 - just like my first Rolex. And boy was that nice. Felt great and looked great. Made me mad that I sold that watch some 20 years ago.
Those are 2 of my favorite models, so though choice indeed! I'd probably let comfort and lightness win out, and go for the 16710. However, by 2006 the SD had the Bleu Parachrom upgrade, and knowing that makes the decision even harder.
Grand Seiko sports models are to chunky for me. He could also get a GMT Master II and then later grab the new Black Bay 41 Monochrome. I recently got the Monochrome and it's great. He probably wouldn't be as afraid to wear the Tudor either.
Hey Austin, I'm lucky enough to have all those watches Rolex, Omega & GS - The Sub is a keeper and wearer no matter what ! The 16710 GMT also a keeper but something you can buy any time there are so many available and getting cheaper the longer you wait to buy it, The Speedie also a keeper and a great watch, very cheap for an Icon - The GS is a novelty watch for me - I like it but don't love it like the Rolex ..............Time will deliver all your wishes so enjoy today and plan to buy your desire tomorrow.
He clearly never wanted the Sub in the first place. He only bought it because it was offered. His mind is already made up, he wants the GMT. Let's go get it!
No contest between the new Sub and the older GMT, take the GMT. Rolex make 1.2 million watches a day these days and few hundred thousand of those will be Subs. They are therefore not rare at all and never will be. The pre-ceramic watches were not mass produced in the millions and so they will always be far rarer. If value is of no consideration at all then the Sub is for sure better built, but most people who work hard for their spare money care about value long term. Both watches will last a lifetime but the GMT will be far more valuable 25 years from now.
the practical truth is that if you own 1 Rolex watch with a rotating bezel, you have them all. Doesn't matter if it is a diver or gmt, they aesthetically are the same thus a collection shouldn't have too many.
The biggest problem with a black Rolex sub....EVERYBODY has one. If you love it, keep it. If you don't, a 16710 can be six Roli in one (3 Rolex bezels and 2 Rolex bracelets). Plus, in addition to being a GMT, it is water resistant to 300 feet.
People like this are the problem. Why buy something you don’t want? If he had passed on the sub he never had planned to wear, Maybe somebody who actually wants this watch would have gotten lucky. It’s a basic submariner date. Is this 🤡 expecting it to somehow be worth much life than he paid?! Sell the watch to someone who will actually value having it. 🤡
*Marcelo's cousin* *Is what I thought everytime you said this person's name. lol* *I'd take the GMT all day everyday, I sold that shtter DateJust Sub in less than a month at the peak of the market, this is why he hasn't sold it because he'll get way below retail because he sat on it, it's time to take a loss and get that GMT, you won't be happy with a sub, it's a bland oreo looking run of the mill identity crisis of a watch, A sub date, Rolex was smoking some good swiss weed that's why their boxes are green too probably huh? No one needs a date with a dive watch. He's gonna miss the boat of cheap GMTs from Japan because the Yen is strengthening, GS GMTS are crap, GS is good for Evo9 and the high spec movements 80-120hr Power reserves, spring drives 9SA4s etc*
Great to see Austin Daniels making content again!! Cheers 🥂
Thanks Tim!
Agreed - wear the Sub and start saving for the 16710. Together with the Speedy they’ll make a very nice 3 watch collection.
I don’t have a stainless Sub or 16710, but I DO have a modern all-black ceramic GMT and a neo-vintage Pepsi 16700.
The modern watch is great for everyday wear. It’s been my daily for over a decade.
My 16700 is extra minty. I baby it much more, even being mindful of sun exposure and potential fading of bezel or dial.
In short, my advice would be similar. Start wearing the Sub and saving for a nice older GMT. There’s definitely room for both in the collection.
Airline captain checking in with a Y serial number 16710 black bezel from 2002 on my wrist.
Awesome video! A very thorough response! (I smiled when at 2:11 you featured a black-dial 16570 while saying "I'm a Wilsdorf guy.... The more Rolexes in a collection the better.")
Thank you, Mr. Coronet!
The more Rolex watches the better, and yet, less is more. As Wilsdorf men, we must live the riddle, and embrace the paradox of The Crown.
I traded my ceramic Sub for a neo-vintage, minty Day Date 18238. Best trade I've ever made. If he hasn't worn his Sub in the 2 years he has owned it, then the answer is obvious - trade it for a minty 16710. The pre-ceramics wear a lot better. Cheers!
That's a good point. If the Sub hasn't tempted him into wearing it for 2 years, it just might not be the watch for him. Something tells me that him pulling it out of the box and wearing may be a form of settling. And I'm no fan of settling, as it usually ends in regret.
If it's been a struggle for him to resist wearing the watch, that one thing. If it's been a struggle for him to appreciate it, it's another.
I would suggest he try on the 16710 and compare the wearing comfort with the new sub. My personal experience is the new sub wear too bulky while as the gmt is so comfortable especially on a jubilee bracelet. Like Austin mentioned you can also switch the gmt to the oyster for a more tooly feel and looks. Having the various bezel insert options really make the difference especially if he doesn’t want too many expensive watches around but yet have the option to ‘switch up’ his ‘collection’ with the 16710. Not mentioning the fun of hunting for the genuine bezel inserts.
I feel the same way, having Tudor, Omega, IWC and Rolex. In the end, only a Rolex quenches that ‘thirst’. As much as I dislike the grey market and Rolex AD, it’s still one of the best choices. Omega and IWC etc are great watches, just didn’t work for me somehow.
I went to Nakano yesterday and saw several black bezel 16710’s! Not a lot of coke and the pepsi seemed the rarest. All are quite pricey though hovering around 1.8m yen. It seems like people have been buying them up 😄
castillo - i wear my rolex sub date as my daily wear watch. it is a fantastic rolex watch. - wear it, go for a GMT in a couple of years ( or sooner ). good luck on your call . -- WS - is a great channel, no BS . thanks. ~. JDS/CT
That all black insert at the end in the grass... um yes please
hi austin - i'd say castello has 2 questions: 1) modern or vintage, and 2) sub or gmt. without answering those 2 questions, we will forever speculate what's best for castello
Definitely start wearing the sub and get the 16710 eventually. Great collection.
I agree with Austin, spot on!
I think thats a great advice for him to wear the sub since it makes the most sense for his age. Also the sentimental value of being able to buy it brand new with his name on the papers. On another note, younger enthusiasts who like preceramics are in a bit of a difficult decision since Tudors are really the only brand left who does aluminum bezels 😅
Keep the sub for inheritance and save up for the grail watch you dreamed of.
That’s a hard one for sure! hate to say it but he needs both.
Agree
He needs both.
My advice: as the Speedy is already a monochrome Watch, I would Go for the 16701 with all the options to adapt this Watch.
I had a Similiar Problem: speedy or Sub. The result After 20 years was: speedy and later 16701 😅
I'm just curious about why he is not wearing the Sub. I sincerely don't think you'll lose any money by wearing it. Do you really need the extra premium you'll get by not wearing it? I'd wear that thing. I have it and it's a great watch. I'm lucky to have a new ceramic Pepsi, but I'm also looking for a 5 digit model as well. I may come to Japan and ask Austin to help me. LOL. I have actually discussed it with my wife.
Austin--we’re baaaack.
Austin, i’d love to see you go over all of your collection if you haven’t done already
Castellan, I'd keep the sub. Watching from Taby Centrum, vacation day 35/37.
I think thats perfect advice Austin, enjoy what you have and bide your time because yeah that would be a near perfect steel 3 watch collection (although ive always preferred the sub with no date) .
Think he should stick with the Sub, it does feel really nice to be the only person to ever wear it, etc.
Great points amigo!
BTW Austin, I'm heading to Tokyo in a couple weeks.
I know you've mentioned Nakano Broadway as the place to go in Tokyo but are the deals better in smaller towns?
What about Osaka?
Lol, tried using rakuten to find an early 2000 explorer 2 with the new movent but the translation app is killing me 😂.
Great to see you Austin. This completely depends on this guy’s lifestyle IMO. The modern sub has superb durability. The Pepsi is a true vintage piece. Gotta be a bit more careful
Austin, Fantastic to see your putting out more content again, I love old vs new 16710 all the way every day
100% agree with Austin. Enjoy the sub, take your time to find & collect the next watch.
Always love seeing your videos, Austin
I have the current model Submariner. To be honest, I do, in many occations, want to replace it with a pre-ceramic Sub or GMT Master II. What prevents me from doing so is the lack of access to brick and mortar shops and I am not comfortable with doing such purchase online.
I had the 41mm Date Sub and it was incredibly boring. Much prefer my six digit GMT. As to the vintage watch, I was in a shop recently and tried on a 1680 - just like my first Rolex. And boy was that nice. Felt great and looked great. Made me mad that I sold that watch some 20 years ago.
Hello Austin , hope he pays you well for all your consulting. 😊😊😊
I just had to decide between keeping my 2006 SD 16600 or upgrading to a minty 2005 black GMTII 16710.
That was toughhhh... thoughts?
Minty Gmt II for sure!
Those are 2 of my favorite models, so though choice indeed! I'd probably let comfort and lightness win out, and go for the 16710. However, by 2006 the SD had the Bleu Parachrom upgrade, and knowing that makes the decision even harder.
@@watchsymposium It kept me up at night for a month.... Specially the blue PCHS argument. For context: I also have a Milgauss and an Omega PO 2500...
Grand Seiko sports models are to chunky for me. He could also get a GMT Master II and then later grab the new Black Bay 41 Monochrome.
I recently got the Monochrome and it's great. He probably wouldn't be as afraid to wear the Tudor either.
Convert the mint submariner for as much money as possible, and use the cash towards the dream watch. The fat lugs are very inelegant
I have the the 126610 ln . And I'm really want a 16710. But wouldn't swap my sub for it.
Hey Austin, I'm lucky enough to have all those watches Rolex, Omega & GS - The Sub is a keeper and wearer no matter what ! The 16710 GMT also a keeper but something you can buy any time there are so many available and getting cheaper the longer you wait to buy it, The Speedie also a keeper and a great watch, very cheap for an Icon - The GS is a novelty watch for me - I like it but don't love it like the Rolex ..............Time will deliver all your wishes so enjoy today and plan to buy your desire tomorrow.
I would sell the ceramic sub and with the proceeds I'd buy a 14060 and a 16710.
He clearly never wanted the Sub in the first place. He only bought it because it was offered. His mind is already made up, he wants the GMT. Let's go get it!
No contest between the new Sub and the older GMT, take the GMT. Rolex make 1.2 million watches a day these days and few hundred thousand of those will be Subs. They are therefore not rare at all and never will be. The pre-ceramic watches were not mass produced in the millions and so they will always be far rarer. If value is of no consideration at all then the Sub is for sure better built, but most people who work hard for their spare money care about value long term. Both watches will last a lifetime but the GMT will be far more valuable 25 years from now.
the practical truth is that if you own 1 Rolex watch with a rotating bezel, you have them all. Doesn't matter if it is a diver or gmt, they aesthetically are the same thus a collection shouldn't have too many.
Absolutely excellent advice!
Sub all day in the circumstances
Wear the date sub. Slowly save and get the GMT in a couple years. Eh?
The biggest problem with a black Rolex sub....EVERYBODY has one. If you love it, keep it. If you don't, a 16710 can be six Roli in one (3 Rolex bezels and 2 Rolex bracelets). Plus, in addition to being a GMT, it is water resistant to 300 feet.
@@leefromflorida can also be a 10 Roli if you add two more ghosted pepsi and coke bezels.
It's a tough choice. Buy the seller. That's my advice. Go with a seller who has a stellar reputation.
If he's asking you then he's looking for someone to push him towards the 16710
New watch is a new watch, pre ceramic GMT is deep water plus jingly jangly bracelet.
Call me crazy, but I just can't bring myself to buy a used watch that's more expensive than the new one from an AD.
When I buy my sub - I’m wearing the F out of it !
Vintage Rolex is awesome but modern Rolex is better.
Its tough for me - I prefer the newer bracelets and general chunkiness but also much prefer a bezel that patinas
@@Whizzer_ TBH the case dimensions of old sports models are better too.
Wear the watch
People like this are the problem. Why buy something you don’t want? If he had passed on the sub he never had planned to wear, Maybe somebody who actually wants this watch would have gotten lucky. It’s a basic submariner date. Is this 🤡 expecting it to somehow be worth much life than he paid?! Sell the watch to someone who will actually value having it. 🤡
*Marcelo's cousin*
*Is what I thought everytime you said this person's name. lol*
*I'd take the GMT all day everyday, I sold that shtter DateJust Sub in less than a month at the peak of the market, this is why he hasn't sold it because he'll get way below retail because he sat on it, it's time to take a loss and get that GMT, you won't be happy with a sub, it's a bland oreo looking run of the mill identity crisis of a watch, A sub date, Rolex was smoking some good swiss weed that's why their boxes are green too probably huh? No one needs a date with a dive watch. He's gonna miss the boat of cheap GMTs from Japan because the Yen is strengthening, GS GMTS are crap, GS is good for Evo9 and the high spec movements 80-120hr Power reserves, spring drives 9SA4s etc*