Laser guided bombs can track moving targets while GPS guided bombs do not, but you would need to start lazing much earlier and for much longer to get that to work.
Finally. I've only been able to make the laser guided bombs work in the tutorial, and even that was hit or miss. But I loaded up a mission and followed along with the video, and bullseye. Then I tried it alone; another bullseye.
I love how you and all the other tutorials glide over the hardest part which is using TMS and DMS to move the targeting pod around and actually lock onto something
regarding 18:48 do NOT use point track mode if you maneuver enough that your TGP loses sight of the tracked target, it will try to auto-adjust when the target is masked (e.g. terrain, turning and looking at own wing/aircraft). Area mode is superior because it latches onto the coordinates itself that were previously slewed on. Point track mode is good to designate JDAMs because on area track you can sometimes designate the ground below/besides the tank without realizing. :)
I saw on a couple different vids that when creating a SPI in area mode you should fire the laser to precisely pin point the target. Then you won't accidentally designate below'beside target by mistake. It worked well in all cases.
17:20 You could have something small or blurry enough (infantry, foggy weather) that you can't lock onto, but you can see it with your eyes so you can manually keep the laser on target while the bomb falls.
@17:25 Controll Question? LGB would have the upper hand on JDAMs when targeting a moving target :) *nods proudly and realises ppl bellow have answered too*...
About LGBs vs JDAMs. JDAMs can only hit a fixed position in space. If the target moves, the JDAM will still fly at the position where the target was when the bomb was dropped. LGBs on the other hand can track moving targets so long as the laser designator is also tracking that target
LSS Code (LSS), data entry OSB 17. Using the scratchpad, you may enter the laser code that will be searched for when in laser spot search (LSS) mode. The entered value can range from 1111 to 1788, but the first digit of the series must be a 1 and the last three digits must be between 1 and 8. The inputted number is displayed below the LSS OSB label. If an invalid number is inputted, an “INPUT ERROR” WCN is displayed in the center of the display.
Actually the book says the LSS Code is 4-digit octal. So that’s four numbers in range 0-7. I don’t think zero is allowed, so becomes 1-7. Strange that the default 1688 would be an illegal code. I often use 1677 for my own code.
JDAM Pros: -Less things to do and more practical to drop -Is smaller in dimensions as they just add extra control surcfaces and GPS/INS guidance system -Can be used in both VFR and IFR conditions -What is a TGP? Cons: -Less flexible towards changing situation (e.g. the target location and waypoint is incorrect, or the target is moving,etc.) -Is slightly less accurate Paveway Pros: -Very accurate (sometimes) -Very flexible and enables the aircraft to react according to the changing situation -The name is badass -Could track a moving target Cons: -Lot of things to do for dropping and therefore, not practical in the heat of combat -Larger in size (the GBU-12 is probably bigger than the GBU-31 or -32) -Requires TGP -Clouds could block the IR sensor of the TGP -Can only be used in VFR conditions
@@brandonchappell1535 Likewise. Besides the shift, I was having issues where I could drop mk82s more accurately than GBU-12s! Turns out I wasn't dropping the GBU-12s from high enough for the seeker to work.
You asked if the LGB has any advantage over the JDAM. The LGB can hit moving targets while the JDAM cannot. There is an "upgraded" JDAM called the LJDAM, for Laser Joint Direct Attack Munition which can use either GPS guidance for structures and such or the laser for vehicles.
Hi did someone knows whether the GBU-12 can manoeuvre to offset the wind effect now? I dropped a few GBU-12s in the latest version of the DCS world by A-10C, and they all have missed the target under wind condition. I am pretty sure it can accurately hit the target in an old version like DCS 1 OR 1.5.
So the front fins guide the bomb. I was told that the fins adjust a lot to the point where you'll hear a bunch of slapping noises on the way down and before it hits the ground...... So pretty much the last thing you'll hear if this bomb is coming for you in *Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Silence*
I'm running into this weird issue where it's not shifting to the new spear when designated, any ideas what I'm doing wrong? The hornet's shifting fine as would be intuitively expected.
I wonder can you use the ripples say you had three different people with three different lasers on three different targets in the same area that you set your laser guided bombs up to would the ripple essentially track all three targets?
That should work, if they have different laser codes and each bomb is set up to follow one of them, and if the targets are close enough that all the bombs can guide to their target.
I do not believe that "area" or "point" mode on the TGP will have any effect on LASER guided bombs. It would be nice if you could find out and explain to us the use of the 2 modes, related to the type of bomb. I guess that it could be a whole, separate tutorial ;-) As for the steering of the bomb, I believe that it is tiny device on the nose (as it seems to be the only moving part).
Can you something like this for rank beginners? There is so much happening, it makes this very hard to follow for someone with little or no experience with DCS.
Gregory Pruitt my advice is to start slow and have patience, learning this stuff takes time and repetition. A lot of repetition. Once you “learn” a new skill, do it over and over again until it’s muscle memory. Then move on to a new task. Once you are done with the new task, return back to your previous one and test yourself and see how much you retained. Also, start out just learning the basics of flight mechanics and cockpit familiarization. Those are crucial to ensure you can proceed further into learning your specific aircraft. Have fun!
@@TrooperStark agreed, these planes are so complex (no wonder why they called modules like uni) but usually takes a month or so of flying eryday to start getting proficient ive found. I think he goes fast because theres so much to cover most people want it quick as possible. @Gregory Pruitt u may like spudknockers channel as he covers things in more detail
Laser guided bombs can track moving targets while GPS guided bombs do not, but you would need to start lazing much earlier and for much longer to get that to work.
good call
I normally use 15 or 18 sec LASE time - that seems to work for vehicles or ships driving fairly straight and at normal speed..
Finally. I've only been able to make the laser guided bombs work in the tutorial, and even that was hit or miss. But I loaded up a mission and followed along with the video, and bullseye. Then I tried it alone; another bullseye.
by bullseye you're talking about the reference point on the map or a victory? that's a very confusing terminology in this case
@@jemand8462 Ah, checkmate, friend. Because I meant both; my target was the Bullseye, and I scored a direct hit.
I love how you and all the other tutorials glide over the hardest part which is using TMS and DMS to move the targeting pod around and actually lock onto something
A big thank you from a Frenchman who is always very happy to follow your tutorials and your exploits.⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
regarding 18:48
do NOT use point track mode if you maneuver enough that your TGP loses sight of the tracked target, it will try to auto-adjust when the target is masked (e.g. terrain, turning and looking at own wing/aircraft). Area mode is superior because it latches onto the coordinates itself that were previously slewed on. Point track mode is good to designate JDAMs because on area track you can sometimes designate the ground below/besides the tank without realizing.
:)
Good call thx
I saw on a couple different vids that when creating a SPI in area mode you should fire the laser to precisely pin point the target. Then you won't accidentally designate below'beside target by mistake. It worked well in all cases.
17:20 You could have something small or blurry enough (infantry, foggy weather) that you can't lock onto, but you can see it with your eyes so you can manually keep the laser on target while the bomb falls.
@17:25 Controll Question? LGB would have the upper hand on JDAMs when targeting a moving target :) *nods proudly and realises ppl bellow have answered too*...
They are manoeuvred by the fins on the guidance section on the front of the bomb. The fins on the back are to stabilize the bomb.
IYAAYAS!
My Trackir is turning up on Monday or Tuesday. I can't wait to try this :)
Oh. One pro for laser vs JDAM. Moving vehicle. The laser bomb can follow it
But now there's laser JDAMs
One thing I've noticed: on some pylons, you can put 3x GBU-12, but only 1x GBU-38 or GBU-54.
About LGBs vs JDAMs. JDAMs can only hit a fixed position in space. If the target moves, the JDAM will still fly at the position where the target was when the bomb was dropped. LGBs on the other hand can track moving targets so long as the laser designator is also tracking that target
LSS Code (LSS), data entry OSB 17. Using the scratchpad, you may enter the laser code that will be searched for when in laser spot search (LSS) mode. The entered value can range from 1111 to 1788, but the first digit of the series must be a 1 and the last three digits must be between 1 and 8. The inputted number is displayed below the LSS OSB label. If an invalid number is inputted, an “INPUT ERROR” WCN is displayed in the center of the display.
Thanks for the info
Actually the book says the LSS Code is 4-digit octal. So that’s four numbers in range 0-7. I don’t think zero is allowed, so becomes 1-7. Strange that the default 1688 would be an illegal code. I often use 1677 for my own code.
8:52 TMS up short, not DMS up short. I finally looked at the manual and realized it was TMS after an hour of thinking I was stupid lol
DUDE thank you -- I can't belive he glossed over it and gave the wrong info
JDAM
Pros:
-Less things to do and more practical to drop
-Is smaller in dimensions as they just add extra control surcfaces and GPS/INS guidance system
-Can be used in both VFR and IFR conditions
-What is a TGP?
Cons:
-Less flexible towards changing situation (e.g. the target location and waypoint is incorrect, or the target is moving,etc.)
-Is slightly less accurate
Paveway
Pros:
-Very accurate (sometimes)
-Very flexible and enables the aircraft to react according to the changing situation
-The name is badass
-Could track a moving target
Cons:
-Lot of things to do for dropping and therefore, not practical in the heat of combat
-Larger in size (the GBU-12 is probably bigger than the GBU-31 or -32)
-Requires TGP
-Clouds could block the IR sensor of the TGP
-Can only be used in VFR conditions
I've noticed several times that my SPI shifts.
It particularly happens when slaving sensors to the SPI for shooting Mavericks.
Im just learning this module and noticing the same, seems to jump even after setting a point trak, good to know MAYBE its not me ! 😂
@@brandonchappell1535 Likewise.
Besides the shift, I was having issues where I could drop mk82s more accurately than GBU-12s! Turns out I wasn't dropping the GBU-12s from high enough for the seeker to work.
16:34 minutes, that was jolly good fun!! Hehe, :). Nice video thx!!
You asked if the LGB has any advantage over the JDAM. The LGB can hit moving targets while the JDAM cannot. There is an "upgraded" JDAM called the LJDAM, for Laser Joint Direct Attack Munition which can use either GPS guidance for structures and such or the laser for vehicles.
From what I've heard, the laser code you enter correspond to the lambda of the laser itself.
Hi did someone knows whether the GBU-12 can manoeuvre to offset the wind effect now? I dropped a few GBU-12s in the latest version of the DCS world by A-10C, and they all have missed the target under wind condition. I am pretty sure it can accurately hit the target in an old version like DCS 1 OR 1.5.
Things you dont want to every hear: Guy in A10C with 2000lbs guided bombs say "Ahhm whoops"
lol
Really sad how many times I have watched dcs 10c vids over the years and still I am not an expert :)
You need to do it your self - again and again and............
I did the exact things in this video except making hud soi but whenever i pressed and hold weapon release bombs arent go away
Totally insane a10 as we all know
So the front fins guide the bomb. I was told that the fins adjust a lot to the point where you'll hear a bunch of slapping noises on the way down and before it hits the ground......
So pretty much the last thing you'll hear if this bomb is coming for you in *Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Slap**Silence*
do u have to keep the tgp on target until impact? even with auto lase?
I'm running into this weird issue where it's not shifting to the new spear when designated, any ideas what I'm doing wrong? The hornet's shifting fine as would be intuitively expected.
Sorry I had written that the zoom was missing I found it in your commands with the opportunity I wish you and family a happy new year
News headlines: GBU10s hit rave mistaking laser show for designator.
now to test if i can drop bombs on a laser shot from an OH-58
Would LGB be ideal if an adversary is Jamming GPS? Thought I seen the Russians were jamming Jdams in Ukraine and the accuracy was like 60%?
I wonder can you use the ripples say you had three different people with three different lasers on three different targets in the same area that you set your laser guided bombs up to would the ripple essentially track all three targets?
That should work, if they have different laser codes and each bomb is set up to follow one of them, and if the targets are close enough that all the bombs can guide to their target.
I do not believe that "area" or "point" mode on the TGP will have any effect on LASER guided bombs. It would be nice if you could find out and explain to us the use of the 2 modes, related to the type of bomb. I guess that it could be a whole, separate tutorial ;-) As for the steering of the bomb, I believe that it is tiny device on the nose (as it seems to be the only moving part).
Yup just recorded the TGP vid Cam. Took 4 bloody hours to make lol
Can you something like this for rank beginners? There is so much happening, it makes this very hard to follow for someone with little or no experience with DCS.
Gregory Pruitt my advice is to start slow and have patience, learning this stuff takes time and repetition. A lot of repetition. Once you “learn” a new skill, do it over and over again until it’s muscle memory. Then move on to a new task. Once you are done with the new task, return back to your previous one and test yourself and see how much you retained. Also, start out just learning the basics of flight mechanics and cockpit familiarization. Those are crucial to ensure you can proceed further into learning your specific aircraft. Have fun!
@@TrooperStark agreed, these planes are so complex (no wonder why they called modules like uni) but usually takes a month or so of flying eryday to start getting proficient ive found. I think he goes fast because theres so much to cover most people want it quick as possible. @Gregory Pruitt u may like spudknockers channel as he covers things in more detail
Good video!
Cap I'm struggling with the new hornet update
sup?
@@grimreapers sorry I ment A10c
they beat JDAM on moving targets.
So much stuff huh Cap?
Good Lord...
Worth it. It spreads freedom so well