the best way to bleach your knots | updated method 2022

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  • @ldenirg
    @ldenirg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Instant follow because you got right to it. No long drawn out stories. Just straight to the directions. Very easy to follow as well!! ❤

  • @jazzyjaz2024
    @jazzyjaz2024 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Out of all of the videos I have seen, this is HANDS DOWN the BEST video I have seen!!!!! I been paying people to bleach my knots and since no one out here is willing to do it without an install (I already learned how to install so I don’t need to pay someone for that ) - I have to finally learn how to do this myself. I have a job interview next week so I want to use my brand new unit I bought 2 months ago. This video is so THOROUGH and I’m about to go to the store and buy everything you mentioned here. I’m terrified to do this today by myself but I feel like this video is giving me the confidence to finally learn how to do this myself and stop paying others. Thank you ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @Souplady22
    @Souplady22 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I’m an old head (50) who JUST started wearing (and is addicted) wigs… this is gonna put me in the game!!! Say less!!! Beautiful presentation and even I can understand it!!!!! Thanks young lady! 😊

  • @krystaltimberlake
    @krystaltimberlake ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I love how she got straight to it

  • @thehoneyasmr
    @thehoneyasmr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I am binging your content because my birthday is coming up. Girl you are my fave hairstylist in LIFE. NO ONE on this platform is more skilled at hair. I wish you did hair in my city. I don’t let anyone touch my hair but I def wouldn’t be scared to book an appointment! Anyway, thanks for getting the girls together!! We appreciate you.

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🥺🥺🫶🏽🫶🏽🫶🏽

  • @NeilGates
    @NeilGates 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just started wearing a lace front and have been needing help. Thank you very much!! Your videos are so detailed and really take the time to explain. As a guy I never knew anything about wigs or anything! I was always so confused how some girls would come to work with all of a sudden long hair and it looked natural! Now I know!!! So now I have to go watch your plucking video to learn that part now.

  • @WeThePeopleTV14
    @WeThePeopleTV14 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This the best bleaching video on here for beginners tbh

  • @theposhceo
    @theposhceo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    GREAT TUTORIAL THANKS FOR ACTUALLY EXPLAINING EVERYTHING 💕

  • @traeannahbrown5699
    @traeannahbrown5699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Girl when you say let's play find the knot I was like Ooooh yasss 🤩🤩Not a Knot to be found! Definitely slayed that!

    • @Sanderson5CLC
      @Sanderson5CLC 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought that was awesome when she said that❤️😊

  • @michelleharrison3793
    @michelleharrison3793 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love how it was simple to follow, thanks for sharing

  • @EbaniDawson
    @EbaniDawson ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like this video. She made me laugh a few time but this video was very helpful for me. I’ve been getting better and better every time I apply a wig. I think this is one of the things that is is really going to change the game for me.

  • @mybackup6651
    @mybackup6651 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Just did it!! The best explanation ever!! Thank you so much. I used the exact same product too

  • @bevielle
    @bevielle 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    That was beautiful! I've watched many bleaching videos but this one did it. Thank you!

    • @Justbrousing
      @Justbrousing 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I was just about to say the same thing...

  • @lenadut9234
    @lenadut9234 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    THANK YOU!!! Imma be following these exact step...step #1: BE PATIENT

  • @Kimiah-r7d
    @Kimiah-r7d หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello new subscriber, I like how you just take your time and you do it real slow a lot of videos there so fast so thank you so much. I've learned so much just watching two of your videos then I have with other TH-camrs and watching several❤❤❤

  • @Ms.Sunshine420
    @Ms.Sunshine420 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great work!! 💯 The unit is 🔥

  • @PhenomenalChoklit
    @PhenomenalChoklit ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Very thorough and easy to follow. Thank you!

  • @reallyazaria
    @reallyazaria 2 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    Love how you got straight to it 😭

  • @ashleymorra6725
    @ashleymorra6725 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Girl I followed and was patient and so far it’s looking good thank you ! You just gained a subscriber. I’m trying to do this myself cause I still wanna look good and wear wigs to leave my hair alone but at the same time this helps me save for things I’m working towards but still look good lol. So thank you !!!

  • @jantherealtorchic
    @jantherealtorchic 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent tutorial video! I will be using this method. Thanks for sharing this golden nugget🥰🥰🥰

  • @OfficialTamHam-yx8bl
    @OfficialTamHam-yx8bl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It looks amazing, you did a great job 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

  • @toyar3132
    @toyar3132 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This has been the best explanation & presentation! Well done! 🙌🏾🙌🏾

  • @raerae8428
    @raerae8428 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Should I also use 2 bleach packs for a glue less wig? It’s a 5x5 26 inch lace frontal wig. Just wondering cause the lace is not that wide

  • @teemkay111
    @teemkay111 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the video. Just got my first wig and I’m about to make a run to Sally’s. 🤞🏽Hope I can do this.

  • @milaj7074
    @milaj7074 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this video! I’m doing this tomorrow and I’m nervous 😬 but I’m ready 😂🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @eleezab
    @eleezab 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much for your step by step process.

  • @lanorapeters972
    @lanorapeters972 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My #1 go to video when I’m bleaching my knots… I literally just come here when I’m bleaching my knots just to watch as I go 😅

  • @acasseus78
    @acasseus78 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am going to try this on my next wig...

  • @hollybriggs8558
    @hollybriggs8558 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very cool! Thank you for the educational vid!❤❤❤

  • @vikayyyye
    @vikayyyye ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank u so much for this! I'm new to bleaching knots and I can't wait to try this!

  • @a1asiaaa_602
    @a1asiaaa_602 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So I can use the orange shampoo right? They say it has to be purple or blue or something to cancel out the color

  • @pberry1924
    @pberry1924 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can I just send my wigs to you gurl!!!!! ??? Because you did that.

  • @lucrecia_chinaa
    @lucrecia_chinaa ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You did a great job explaining it for us slow learners 😂😂

  • @randomsstudioo
    @randomsstudioo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you soo much for this!

  • @asimon7887
    @asimon7887 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do you put the aluminum foil back on after you add more developer?

  • @starb73
    @starb73 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is very informative. So is the neutralizing shampoo absolutely necessary?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      A shampoo like isoplus gets hair completely clean from chemicals, oil, dirt..

  • @nessascastle5189
    @nessascastle5189 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What else Can I Use Besides Purple shampoo/conditioner??

  • @Alimaway
    @Alimaway ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What other shampoos have anyone used for bleaching lace and for wigs in general?

  • @pinkcilantro4261
    @pinkcilantro4261 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lovely video , thank you for the tips

  • @nancyama7609
    @nancyama7609 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you pluck before bleaching or bleaching before plucking

  • @73pinkchocolate53
    @73pinkchocolate53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great method!! Thanks for sharing!! 💕

  • @chocolatemami0608
    @chocolatemami0608 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for uploading this video very helpful 🥰

  • @aaliahfuller1609
    @aaliahfuller1609 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey love can you telling me everything you used like what u need down below I wanna do this with my blonde wig 🥹 & is it ok for me to use my own shampoo and conditioner ?

  • @FaraDat456
    @FaraDat456 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can I use developer liquid vol 20 ?

  • @_Marissathom
    @_Marissathom 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank u so much I understand so much better very detailed video ❤

  • @allforlovely4394
    @allforlovely4394 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much! This video just blessed me, I have not seen a tutorial that calls for long timeframes to bleach and treat brassiness of the frontal so thank you for showing that more time yields quality results! May God bless your channel for the helpful tips you share and I love your temperament as well! 💕💗

  • @Sc-ib6qq
    @Sc-ib6qq ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I have to use the neutralizing shampoo?

  • @connikaden2605
    @connikaden2605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow. Super gemacht 👌

  • @veraveronica173
    @veraveronica173 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pls what is the foil used for?

  • @RapTalk33
    @RapTalk33 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How long did you let the bleach sit on the knots

  • @kailynblanchard62
    @kailynblanchard62 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Woww! Please do mine for me! I want to try this but am afraid I’ll over bleach still 😭😭😭

  • @19trwhite
    @19trwhite ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I like the detail video. I just use 40 developer and leave it on for 25 min and I dies in half the time the aluminum foil is a waste of product

  • @Fillinyourownblanks
    @Fillinyourownblanks ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you this was so helpful!!

  • @lalajones5887
    @lalajones5887 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel like I can do this.. thank you for being simple and to the point and clear!! Ok..imma do yall!! Question, I'm a tad bit browner than you and I was watching another video dating that 20 developer should be used for my complexion. What do you think? Xo

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The lower the developer the slower the belching process , I didn’t know it mattered what the skin complexion was? I honestly use 30 or 40 on every lace I bleach regardless.. but if it’s your first time bleaching go ahead and go for the 20 or 30

    • @lalajones5887
      @lalajones5887 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@thechachimarie thank youuuuuu so much.. can't wait to share the results with you 😃

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes Lmk how it turns out

    • @dehjhunaeday5743
      @dehjhunaeday5743 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can i did it for the first time yesterday, but got scared i didnt let it bleach too long.

    • @unique4532
      @unique4532 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bleach dosent bleach the hair when washing out ?

  • @simms386
    @simms386 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great job! The bleach doesn’t bother the black dye??

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not at all. I did soaked the frontal in hot water today. The water turned dark but the hair still looks black

    • @simms386
      @simms386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie Thanks for the information.

  • @key4152
    @key4152 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    if i was ordering a box braid wig would it be appropriate to do this? i mean i have seen people just throw makeup on it and went about their business 😂

  • @amberpo8093
    @amberpo8093 ปีที่แล้ว

    But Good Work Though ..I’m Going To Rewatch And Try This Method 😊

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      😭😭 glue your eyelids open this time

  • @ShortlyShort-w1o
    @ShortlyShort-w1o 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where u purchase that wig hun?

  • @preedestined1
    @preedestined1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So overall how long should the bleach be on?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I’d say Anywhere between 20-45 mins depending on how thick the knots are and the consistency of your bleach mixture

  • @arielrucker1363
    @arielrucker1363 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    girl u did yo thangggg😩ive never seen such a good bleached lace👏🏾

  • @TamiaBradford-pr5lw
    @TamiaBradford-pr5lw ปีที่แล้ว

    If I previously put a little makeup on the lace should I wash it off and then start the bleaching process. Or can I just wash it off when I’m taking the bleach off.

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t think it should be a problem 🤔 but if anything wash it and blow dry the inside of the lace to dry it then try to bleach the knots like normal

  • @jaquetteteemer6068
    @jaquetteteemer6068 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I only have a 40 developer , ima be care ful and quick when I apply it . And I don’t think ima use the aluminum because it processes quick

    • @demicuffie777
      @demicuffie777 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Me too!! I’m scared to use it 😭🥲

  • @spivey1218
    @spivey1218 ปีที่แล้ว

    @chachi marie So I attempted to bleach my knots and it got on the roots of the hair. 😫😫. Can I fix it? I wanted to show you but I dont see how I can attach the pic.

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea that happens when the bleach is too watery and it seeps through the lace onto the hair… You’d probably have to dye the roots but Depending how over bleached they are you can always just touch up the roots after you style your hair with a temporary color dye spray or even mascara.. that’s what I do.

  • @jayrussell99
    @jayrussell99 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Going to try this

  • @marinamanga9930
    @marinamanga9930 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Darling, would you please tell me the name of product? No shampoo, no conditioner but the ones you mixed. God bless you😍😍😍

    • @maki9972
      @maki9972 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All of the products are displayed in the beginning just got back a look

  • @deninekdw
    @deninekdw ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does bleaching make the unit shed faster??

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s what ppl say but if you don’t have trash hair the shedding won’t be anything alarming just because you bleached your knots

    • @BriannaLifeCoach
      @BriannaLifeCoach ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes

  • @alexisbradley4481
    @alexisbradley4481 ปีที่แล้ว

    I forgot to buy aluminum foil. Can I jus use a paper towel to cover the lace after applying the bleach and the developer

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would just let it sit without covering it before putting anything else that’s not aluminum foil

  • @charward2531
    @charward2531 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can this same bleaching process be used for a closure unit?

  • @SnacckyChanT
    @SnacckyChanT ปีที่แล้ว

    does it have to be 30 developer? im planning on bleaching my knots/hair soon too with 40 developer.

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can but 40 will lift faster so check on it every 15 minutes

  • @niyahlynnnn
    @niyahlynnnn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do you have to use ah specific shampoo ?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      For which part because I used like 2 different ones.. the isoplus makes sure all the bleach is out and the purple one makes my lace not look so orange..doesn’t have to be the exact brands I used but they have to do the same things

    • @niyahlynnnn
      @niyahlynnnn ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie the part after you washed the bleach out but i get it now your video helped sm thank you !

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      🫶🏽🫶🏽

  • @christinamcintyre2253
    @christinamcintyre2253 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do this with a synthetic hair lace front?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have no clue

    • @yoyomama9858
      @yoyomama9858 ปีที่แล้ว

      I say no that's not real hair sure it will melt don't do it

  • @torisole5195
    @torisole5195 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I went to get the supplies but I noticed on the bw2 tube it said that it is to be used with Clairol developers but I got something called Super Star 40 volume developer…can I still use it to bleach the lace or??

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I used a different developer with bw2 before and it bleached the knots But I only used it cause the hair store was out of the Clairol and I had to get something.. but I definitely prefer the clairol idk if it’s a mind thing cause I’m so use to it but if the hair store has it that’s what I’m getting

  • @naturesgirl3078
    @naturesgirl3078 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video ❤

  • @ChinaEnjoli
    @ChinaEnjoli ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I need to use aluminum foil? I don’t have any so will a plastic bag be fine?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว

      I learned a long time ago that the foil causes it to heat up and bleach better/faster.. I’m not sure a plastic bag will do the same but sometimes when I don’t have foil I just follow the same steps

  • @Unique1.
    @Unique1. ปีที่แล้ว

    So easy to follow thank you x

  • @spivey1218
    @spivey1218 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a container of
    The BW2. So how much would I use?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try 2 scoops at first with some developer and if you need more to coat the lace mix up some more

    • @spivey1218
      @spivey1218 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie Thank you!💕

    • @spivey1218
      @spivey1218 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie I didnt see how you used thr foil. And how long did you leave the bleach on?

    • @spivey1218
      @spivey1218 ปีที่แล้ว

      @chachi marie So I attempted to bleach my knots and it got on the roots of the hair. 😫😫. Can I fix it? I wanted to show you but I dont see how I can attach the pic.

  • @nwalden5744
    @nwalden5744 ปีที่แล้ว

    What’s holding wig up

  • @ellel9579
    @ellel9579 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey. Do I need to use a neutralizing shampoo or can I use regular shampoo???

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      A neutralizing shampoo makes sure the chemicals from bleach are completely out the hair

  • @bribreeze4243
    @bribreeze4243 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you use a conditioner after you shampoo?

  • @yuritardid3961
    @yuritardid3961 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will this work on a synthetic lace wig from shein?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have no clue but I doubt synthetic hair can handle the chemicals . I’m about to to a video using a shein wig in the next week but i don’t think it’s synthetic

  • @chigetchocho
    @chigetchocho ปีที่แล้ว

    dis was so perfect baby thank uuuuu #beginner 💕

  • @JamalNunnery-yr5cx
    @JamalNunnery-yr5cx 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well explained

  • @elogan4820
    @elogan4820 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video.. Thank you so much.

  • @jennym732
    @jennym732 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a transparent laced wig. Please the lace, the hair did bleach but the middle part where there is no hair is white & clear. What do I do in that case?

    • @Wangzz
      @Wangzz ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine too😒my roots turned orange on my wig

  • @roselove7676
    @roselove7676 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have to use foil?

  • @hellosunshine3647
    @hellosunshine3647 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If i bleached for the first time and I feel like all my knots didn't take on the 1st round, cAn I redo it? How long should I wait and should I wait

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I mean you can butttt depending on the hair quality it can make your wig start shedding bad, I usually just bleach once and whatever didn’t take I say oh well lol

  • @tf8187
    @tf8187 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you know when to bleach the knots? I have an HD lace but I’m not sure if I need to bleach the knots or not. They said the wig came bleached already, help.

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Most lace I’ve come across don’t come pre bleached but If they say it is maybe it is. You have to put it up against your hand and see if you see the intense black dots all over the lace as you part through it

    • @tf8187
      @tf8187 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie thanks so much. 💕💕💕

  • @serenelyfe5
    @serenelyfe5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m trying this today! Pray for me 😂.

  • @RebeltashOfficial
    @RebeltashOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This explained what I want

  • @HOLLYHOUSE11
    @HOLLYHOUSE11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    You could just use a spray bottle of water to wet it up again, and not have to touch it and risk pushing the bleach thru.

  • @brownskinbeauty.
    @brownskinbeauty. ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you bleach a wig but the knots are still visible can you go back in and do it again? I let it sit for 30 minutes and it didn't work. And they said not to leave it in longer than that
    I wish I seen this video sooner for the tip about the consistancy earlier because my wig looks brassy 🥺

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I never double bleached before .. ppl say not to because it may be too harsh and cause the wig to start shedding ..I’d just leave it alone and try this technique when you get a new lace

    • @yoyomama9858
      @yoyomama9858 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      maybe try again but use 20 and just eyeball but perhaps cut the time to 10 min with the foil and condition well if still nothing just scrap this one but don't be discouraged

  • @charlettebattle4327
    @charlettebattle4327 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How long do I leave the bleach on for ?

    • @kymieemmanuel9522
      @kymieemmanuel9522 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She said 45 minutes in the video

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      20-45 mins but Check on it every 10-15 mins

  • @SakeniaMonique
    @SakeniaMonique ปีที่แล้ว

    Will 40 developer work or do I have to use 30?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it’ll just bleach faster so you have to check it every 10-15 mins

    • @SakeniaMonique
      @SakeniaMonique ปีที่แล้ว

      @@thechachimarie OK Thanks, it'll be my first time so I want to make sure I do it right 😊

  • @milnontaylor668
    @milnontaylor668 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice!

  • @Mrs.Taylor90
    @Mrs.Taylor90 ปีที่แล้ว

    Girl I am screaming for u to put in sum gloves but I ❤️ ur 💅

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😭😭😭 I never do but Thankyou 💗

  • @AllThingsNani
    @AllThingsNani 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great vid But it’s not suppose to have an orange tone or seep through the lace. & Why not show us how it looks, on your head ?

  • @TheChinadoll1978
    @TheChinadoll1978 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Excellent video! My knots NEVER cooperate.

  • @camillelooper5118
    @camillelooper5118 ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn’t ask for better directions, I swear!

  • @karimahhenry6631
    @karimahhenry6631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you pluck first and then bleach the knots?

    • @thechachimarie
      @thechachimarie  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think it’s easier the other way around and the bleach softens the knots ..makes them easier to pluck

    • @karimahhenry6631
      @karimahhenry6631 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thechachimarie thank you

  • @danielleprince100
    @danielleprince100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok. I need to save this because obviously I've been doing it wrong for years