Fun fact: Louis Andriessen was an anarchist, or at least held anarchist sympathies. Title of this piece literally translates to "The State", the Dutch name for Plato's republic. He was in the 20th century pretty politically active. His opera *Reconstructie*, dedicated to and about Che Guevara, almost got censored by the Dutch government due to its anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist themes, and it even caused Nixon to cancel a visit to the Netherlands.
I remember an interview with him about his beliefs on politics and music and it was pretty scuffed, because the interviewer seemed to think Andriessen was still the super-anti-authoritarian and Andriessen seemed to have tempered his beliefs a lot haha
As the composer's note, he was influenced by Indonesian music, Gamelan music to be exact. And that makes me very happy, we need more gamelan influenced music in our life 😊
You can absolutely hear the influence of gamelan in this, particularly during 'an extremely violent and thick texture'. Forget cowbell. Need more gamelan!
Louis Andriessen's breakout piece, it is intense and unforgivingly brash, yet in many places warm, sweet and sublimely beautiful (esp. 14:39). This is easily one of my absolute favorite pieces.
ご視聴ありがとうございます！アンドリーセンの『De Tijd』が雅楽の影響を受けました。最初はつまらない作品だと思いましたが、だんだん好きになりました。 Thanks for watching. Andriessen's De Tijd was influenced by gagaku. I thought it was a boring piece at first, but it's grown on me.
When the world crumbles, when the structures of a civilization falter, it is good to return to that which in history does not flex, but on the contrary recovers courage, gathers the separated, pacifies without bruising. It’s worth recalling that the genius of creation is also moving in an history devoted to the destruction💥
It’s crazy how much like Gamelan this sounds without being remotely at all gamelan. But even someone like me who only knows about one-month-of-a-high-school-music-history-class-worth of knowledge about Gamelan can instinctively hear those scales and cyclic, minimalistic, rhythmically dense but consistent melodies in much of this work. Wait. Is influence from Indonesian music part of what formed the minimalist movement in the Western classical scene???????? Because those repeating cycles changing lightly over time are key to both genres 😱😱😱😱😱😱
I don't think it impacts Andriessen's point much, but I have been told that what the Greeks called "mixolydian" does not actually correspond to what we call the mixolydian mode.
Yes, mixolydian for the ancient Greeks is basically independent from modern mixolydian. The text at choir entry 2 actually talks the modes and how mixolydian is a wailful mode inducing weepings and lamentations, and should be banned
This is why God made synths... play that s! on a Moog, those oboes are too disonant!!!! Lol! Oh cool the tubas coming in, and a choir! Whew blessed relief from the oboes!
Looks like 33 minutes of agression in the form of patterns without any musicality or imagination in it. Highly overestimated composer, although a nice person was my impression.
Only five minutes in so far, but this is amazing! Quick note, isn't it D lydian rather than mixolydian at 2:53? (Edit: unless you're analyzing it as E mixolydian?)
I'm glad you're liking it! I take it as E mixolydian because of the beginning E pedal, and because mixolydian reflects more of the funk influence (De Stijl is mostly mixolydian). It's a bit ambiguous, though, since it's just a tetrachord.
It's Greek, from Plato's The Republic (De Staat). Andriessen picked sections about the relationship between music and society. You can find a translation in the score linked in the description.
Oh god...I need to listen now to Dvorak 9th Symphony now to heal the ear cancer I got from this chaotic cacophonic non-harmonious noise. It actually made me irritated instead of feeling relaxed.
Despite understanding your will to have a sharp opinion to deliver, not liking a piece doesn't mean it is bad. No matter how technical and objective you can try being, you can never reach a neutrality when it comes to your opinion, therefore, your disliking is subjective. Many people enjoy this piece, including myself, and I could picture people having their confidence weaken by such a blunt comment, not even constructive whatsoever, causing these people to question the legitimacy of their musical taste. Wouldn't be too much to ask you to be more respectful with your comments as it's not the first one I see. For example, saying you dislike it instead of qualifying it as "garbage, bad" and explaining why, would be much more enjoyable and interesting to read.
Fun fact: Louis Andriessen was an anarchist, or at least held anarchist sympathies. Title of this piece literally translates to "The State", the Dutch name for Plato's republic. He was in the 20th century pretty politically active. His opera *Reconstructie*, dedicated to and about Che Guevara, almost got censored by the Dutch government due to its anti-capitalist and anti-imperialist themes, and it even caused Nixon to cancel a visit to the Netherlands.
I remember an interview with him about his beliefs on politics and music and it was pretty scuffed, because the interviewer seemed to think Andriessen was still the super-anti-authoritarian and Andriessen seemed to have tempered his beliefs a lot haha
baaaaaaaased
That IS a fun fact!
An anarchist who likes Che Guevara?
well, ya know..
As the composer's note, he was influenced by Indonesian music, Gamelan music to be exact. And that makes me very happy, we need more gamelan influenced music in our life 😊
pantes kayak suara Tn pelog/slendro yak
I studied gamelan influenced pieces very briefly, and yeah! That section at 3:00 is a dead ringer for gamelan!
Agreed! Immediately noticed the pelog influences.
You can absolutely hear the influence of gamelan in this, particularly during 'an extremely violent and thick texture'. Forget cowbell. Need more gamelan!
I love to see multiple composers being inspired by the gamelan
Louis Andriessen's breakout piece, it is intense and unforgivingly brash, yet in many places warm, sweet and sublimely beautiful (esp. 14:39). This is easily one of my absolute favorite pieces.
2:53 the bass entry with the chorus gets me every time. Love it!
So simple yet so effective. And for me with synesthesia it is especially vivid (D lydian/E mixolydian for me is a bright gold/orange).
I love the fact that the Mixolydian section contains text from Plato denouncing the Mixolydian mode.
Never have heard about it. It's astonishing. Thanks for promoting it. Abraços do Brasil.
In one word: WOW
Wow. Now I see where the Matrix OST composer (among other movie composers) could have gotten his inspiration from...
Yeah, Andriessen and John Adams I reckon.
lol I always used The Matrix as a great example of Adams’ orchestration approach for comp students, that soundtrack kicks butt 😂
I never listened to Andriessen before, this is so good!
Same. Mind blown.
日本には、この曲と同様のスケールを使った民族音楽があります。日本人の私にはとても聞き心地がよいです。
ご視聴ありがとうございます！アンドリーセンの『De Tijd』が雅楽の影響を受けました。最初はつまらない作品だと思いましたが、だんだん好きになりました。
Thanks for watching. Andriessen's De Tijd was influenced by gagaku. I thought it was a boring piece at first, but it's grown on me.
When the world crumbles, when the structures of a civilization falter, it is good to return to that which in history does not flex, but on the contrary recovers courage, gathers the separated, pacifies without bruising. It’s worth recalling that the genius of creation is also moving in an history devoted to the destruction💥
Massive work, thanks for uploading!!
Outstanding music!
Ambitious work!
Great performance!
Thanks for uploading the score 👍
Really like this, reminds me of Reich's The Desert Music, but with a very different arranging style
Extremely powerful.
This is really great! Thank you for making this wonderful time-map of the piece in the description. Extremely useful!
Great piece!
Thank you for uploading, I absolutely love this piece!!
I'm exhausted! The intensity starts at 11 and stays there till the end. How have I not heard this piece before! Has to be impossible to play
Conducting this must look like having an epileptic seizure.
Who is the sick bass player that can shred all those 16ths man? Got Jaco in the orchestra.
It is Erik Olsman
This is awesome!
It's like John Adams but there's more violence.
I didn’t know a different tonal language could equate violence!
It's like John Adams but without talent
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Thank you so much !!! Absolutely increadible and beautiful
Interesting, and held my attention.
This is one of those pieces that I don't understand at all! :P But wow, is it fun to listen to.
Thank you ❤❤❤❤
It’s crazy how much like Gamelan this sounds without being remotely at all gamelan. But even someone like me who only knows about one-month-of-a-high-school-music-history-class-worth of knowledge about Gamelan can instinctively hear those scales and cyclic, minimalistic, rhythmically dense but consistent melodies in much of this work.
Wait. Is influence from Indonesian music part of what formed the minimalist movement in the Western classical scene???????? Because those repeating cycles changing lightly over time are key to both genres 😱😱😱😱😱😱
It's the scale too especially Do-Mi-Fa-So-Ti-(Do)
This slaps hard.
Mmhmm!
10:29
That part transcendet me. Literally felt hunted. This is a masterpiece
Great performance. Interesting music too
I really don't know how to feel about this piece. I both hate and love it at the same time.
Repetition legitimises.😎
4:39 Sounds like Piano Phase by Reich
InTeReStInG combination of instruments.
It’s basically just Tubular Bells for classical music snobs.
Reich meets Stravinsky :-D
Neat
At 13:40 , do I detect a parody of In C?
I don't think it impacts Andriessen's point much, but I have been told that what the Greeks called "mixolydian" does not actually correspond to what we call the mixolydian mode.
Yes, mixolydian for the ancient Greeks is basically independent from modern mixolydian. The text at choir entry 2 actually talks the modes and how mixolydian is a wailful mode inducing weepings and lamentations, and should be banned
@@Cmaj7ah but what was ancient greek mixolydian then?
Like a Xenakis XAS ?
this inspired hundreds of years by thinking fellers union
Интересный композитор, раньше я его не слышал. Он чем то напоминает Прокофьева.
This is why God made synths... play that s! on a Moog, those oboes are too disonant!!!! Lol! Oh cool the tubas coming in, and a choir! Whew blessed relief from the oboes!
What is this?
really good work
made my day!
is it bach/mozart?
minimalism
Impressive and depressive.
22:10 - 23:30
Not quite as funny as his stand up, but still pretty good. Thanks for the upload!
You won't care about my particular comment, but yours is one of the best and funniest comments I have ever read on TH-cam. Thank you!
Ah yes loud = funny
23:23 amogus
I love how all the metric changes are irrelevant in the first half
28:45
performing objectivist theater on the world stage
Looks like 33 minutes of agression in the form of patterns without any musicality or imagination in it. Highly overestimated composer, although a nice person was my impression.
No
Well, it is meant by the composer to depict anger.
You're a philistine.
Terribile! Rumore molesto!
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EFBC...imagine creating something so profound with such little material. Louis was a genius. Thankfully we'll have his music forever.
Neat
Only five minutes in so far, but this is amazing! Quick note, isn't it D lydian rather than mixolydian at 2:53? (Edit: unless you're analyzing it as E mixolydian?)
I'm glad you're liking it! I take it as E mixolydian because of the beginning E pedal, and because mixolydian reflects more of the funk influence (De Stijl is mostly mixolydian). It's a bit ambiguous, though, since it's just a tetrachord.
@@oio_8100 Me!
I've immediately been extremely fascinated by this piece. Does anyone have the text the choir is singing?
I wonder what Alban Berg would have thought about this piece....
Wow...This must be the best I have ever found.
love the thick support of the bass guitar sound in all these bold and sharp textures
Love the gamelan influence!!
This piece must have inspired Don Davis in composing the score for The Matrix.
I agree! This and Ligeti's "Atmospheres" have that very peculiar use of the brasses
Am I the only one hearing faint whispers of Adams here and there?
21:20 why do some of the trombones play a pedal F not the written low F? I think it sounds cooler with the loud pedal F but why is it there....?
It is because Brandt Attema plays bass trombone in this recording...
Hey, De Staat, love that band lol
If you hate brass players and want to injure them, program this piece!
Thanks for highlighting the score so that it can be followed.
Reminds me of steve reich mid-beginning.
Great! Thanks and congratulations!
.... jeez
Wow
What language is the chorus singing in????
It's Greek, from Plato's The Republic (De Staat). Andriessen picked sections about the relationship between music and society. You can find a translation in the score linked in the description.
@@Cmaj7 Ok. Thanx.
Obrigado por publicar, essa música está é incrível!
What the heck is this.. To me this isn't even pleasant to listent to. Just don't get it. Sorry but, not my cup of tea.
I think 2:53 is quite a beautiful moment. give it another listen, the piece is quite dissonant but has some amazing moments
its entrancing once you get into it :)
Oh god...I need to listen now to Dvorak 9th Symphony now to heal the ear cancer I got from this chaotic cacophonic non-harmonious noise. It actually made me irritated instead of feeling relaxed.
Cry more
Garbage politics, garbage music. L'etat....est BAD!
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Booo this guy boooo
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Despite understanding your will to have a sharp opinion to deliver, not liking a piece doesn't mean it is bad. No matter how technical and objective you can try being, you can never reach a neutrality when it comes to your opinion, therefore, your disliking is subjective. Many people enjoy this piece, including myself, and I could picture people having their confidence weaken by such a blunt comment, not even constructive whatsoever, causing these people to question the legitimacy of their musical taste.
Wouldn't be too much to ask you to be more respectful with your comments as it's not the first one I see. For example, saying you dislike it instead of qualifying it as "garbage, bad" and explaining why, would be much more enjoyable and interesting to read.