I once worked on a juvenile (13-17 year olds) unit in a state prison, with many serving 10, 20 or more years. There was a 15-year-old serving 103 years; in the sentencing report, the judge said "I'm sorry to give you such a lengthy sentence, but due to your age, I can't have you executed." Most came from multiple-generation gang families, and really had no chance. The modal crime was abduction, torture, rape and then murder of random strangers. They all thought it was so cool to be in prison. I felt 1 kid there out of 150 had a chance to get out and go straight. 0:02
That's nobody else's responsibility. Nobody else should need to worry that he relapses. He's a victim, sure, but he is also creating them and his life is not more valuable than anyone else's
Yeah. This is the exact problem with the prison system. It doesn't address the root cause of the issue. It's painful to know that so many children won't have a chance because they are taught by their parents, who most likely were taught by their own, that crime is the only way. How many Einsteins have we lost to this?
@@LeonMortgageexcept when you have never seen, known, or been taught anything other that the crime and violence of the life youve grown up in, then you wont go down a different path without help. And by just putting them on prison all you do is put them with adults who can torture them mentally and physically leaving them scarred, but also can teach them to commit more crimes or get them into their gangs. And when you havent had anything to help you change you wont so when youre released you are even worse. Its a cycle. Go to prison, get worse, get released, reoffend, go back to prison. Theres almost no way to get them off that hamster wheel. And when it comes to children who commit violent crimes we immediately label them as 'evil' but children dont commit acts like this without a reason. But the system never bothers to learn why - what mental illness did they have that no one noticed? How many years had they been spirraling? What kind of abuse had they themselves suffered which changed them? That they would never talk about? And putting a bit of time, effort, and money into helping turn a childs life around can lead them to be released a changed person. Give them a grace period to prove themselves, lock their record so it wont effect their chances or getting a job or going to school, and that person will be a member of society who in turn will make that money out into them tenfold.
My SO was one of this teens in the 90's that got sent to adult prison at 16. He still an old lady's purse. He'd been homeless for weeks and was starving. The old lady went to court and asked the judge to be lenient due to the back story of my SO. He was sentenced to 8 years in adult prison. He beat the odds and didn't go back to prison. But even over 20 years later, he still struggles to find steady work because if one dumb mistake made years ago as a child.
just think, if he had tugged just a little harder on the purse she might have fallen and died, and then he woulda been charged with her murder during a crime, you 2 would have never met and he'd still be in there.
There is not a single state that allows for 8 years for theft even for adults, much less for kids. So either he actually committed a robbery not just a theft, or you made this whole story up for attention in the youtube comments
I am naive. I thought teens only tended to get charged as adults for very serious offenses like murder or maybe repeated violence. This is disgusting and predatory.
It is typically violent crimes and they are not put in gen pop. There are a lot of violent and predatory teens these days. Everyone is staring at their phones so if you want attention you need to go viral. Easiest way is to delete others.
Not to their victims. My wife is a teacher and has been assaulted numerous times by these animals for simply holding them accountable (doing their schoolwork).
@@ronevans936 There's no reason for this to be an either/or situation. Make the rules apply to everyone across the board. But you and I will never see that happen.
naw we let convicted felons run for president. The only office they can run for actually, founding fathers forgot about that one for some reason....probably because they never thought it would come to this....
The United States has more than 20% of the world's prison population, even though it only makes up about 5% of the world's population. The US has a higher incarceration rate than most developed countries, and is considered a leader in mass incarceration. Quite simply put, it is a for-profit business.
South America makes up around 5 percent of the global population, also has the worst murder rates along with Jamaica, Mexico not far behind. Maybe those countries need more prisons, or better police. Is it a coincidence that nearly half the prison population in California is Latino? Korea and Japan have low murder rates, and if you look at the Korean and Japanese population living in America, they are underrepresented in the prison population, it seems they don't commit violent crimes at the rate of other cultures. Could culture have an effect on criminal behavior?
@@kerrygold6494sure, it appears anyone who’s “culture” comes from the west seems to be less moral, and more criminal. Or were you trying to be racist? 🤗
I did 90 days in a juvenile detention center. We weren’t allowed to wear clothing in our cells and the guards would go out of their way to make it uncomfortable for us, making us walk naked down the stairs to go to the bathroom etc.
@@partygrove5321 No, it wasn't his mother's fault. The NYPD grabbed Kalief Browder at random just because he was Black and "fit the description." His mother fought ceaselessly for his release, especially because he was never formally charged.
End the for profit private prison industrial complex, stop ACA lobbyists from wormtongueing congress, and abolish punishment and discrimination after sentence completion. That is all.
I agree with private "for profit" prisons being abolished. I do not agree with letting child criminals off the hook in the least. The entire "school to prison pipeline" narrative is a myth. It takes away personal responsibility and accountability. There is no agenda by which a school prepares or intends students to make their way to prison. Failing culture and poor parenting are the reason teenagers are going to prison for crimes they have committed.
That is way too much common sense for America given who they've just reelected. Money controls everything there. The media wanted trump reelected for money and clicks. They got their wish. Now, the republicans have congress and the senate there's going to be way more mental nonsense coming. Incarcerate youngsters? Fine. They just need fearmongering and panic to get the brainwashed American public onside.
What shocks me most is, that apparently everyone accepts that its normal to be assaulted and ra*ed in prioson. Like wtf. How can this be legal? How is the prison not responsible to ensure basic human rights?
You had your rights, before you violated the law, but once you did, you are thrown into literal hell - since you didn't consider your victims as humans, society won't consider you a human either.
Imagine claiming to be a first world country while locking 13 year olds in prison for 55 years because you found a few microscopic crumbs of weed under their shoes
Social worker in training in Scotland here and they've just changed law that under 18s go to secure care and I'm currently on placement with social work youth team which supports young people 16-26 and I been sharing this video to explain importance of our role to why we ask to do the supervision for our young people
If a 16 year old kills my family member, I want him to be properly punished which means 15-20 years behind bars minimum! The severely flawed prison-administration system is a totally different problem. The inmates should be adequately guarded and protected, allowed access to education, provided with full healthcare, and considered free citizens once they serve their sentence - making their time in prison strictly confidential. These are the only right steps instead of letting them get away with 1 year for murder because of the prison system flaws.
Trouble is, that costs more than the country is willing or can afford to pay. And a child that age locked up for 15 years has lost their formative years. Even with those reforms, they won't know how to survive. That helps neither the perpetrator nor the victims. A one-size fits all approach won't work either. Youthful emotions out of control, being led astray by bad influences, sikopathy, or whatever need to be treated differently.
@@MusicalRaichu Would you be fine if (taking) the life of your loved one would cost 1.5 or 2 years behind bars? I'm not talking about an accident but deliberate act.
That’s like 0.01% of what we’re talking about here nobody ever has suggested one year for murder….. people keep getting this example from probably the worst example I’ve ever heard
That may well be, but abandoning juvenile punishment is not the answer. One of the problems we have is that teenage predators are aware of the recent misplaced sympathy and they rely on that, as do the gangs that recruit them. This has been noted elsewhere. Especially Sweden lately.
@@matteste I am in favor of a strong and strict judicial system, but not in favor of for-profit prisons. It obviously creates issues. We need to increase prison capacity, if need be, but I think we need to reopen the asylums that were all closed in the 80s. Many of the criminal issues are due to uncontrolled mental health issues that are being treated criminally. Regardless of mental health status, one should pay for their crimes, but a good deal could be handled in mental health facilities before they become dangerous criminals.
I genuinely do not know where to draw the line. During the riots here in the UK earlier this year we saw many people underage being little buggers (to put it nicely) and if anything it seemed it was celebrated by certain parents and supporters and thy knew very little would be done to them. Part of me thinks "yeah, lock um up, they brought it on themselves" but I know you just cannot put them into an adult jail.
@@_ginock_ it's also why gangs in the US initiate new members by having them hit a member from a rival gang, they won't be tried as harshly if they're underage.
@@_ginock_ which is also what drives gang violence, because they recruit members when they're kids or teens, typically from broken homes, looking for a family unit. They've already committed a murder before they're 18, they have nowhere else to go but back to the gang. I don't have all the answers, but I know all these liberal policies of being soft on crime aren't helping.
I worked as a police officer, and later as a juvenile probation officer, here in the US before I lost my vision, and I can confirm that this issue is a huge problem. Believe me, I completely understand the impulse to equate justice with punishment, but defunding diversion and rehabilitation programs Just makes the overall "crime problem" worse in the long run. I can also confirm that things have indeed been getting better in the past 20 years, and especially in the past 5 to 10 years, but we still have a long way to go. Also, did Simon mean "systemic" when he said "systematic"? Personally, I didn't know the difference until quite recently. So if he did make that mistake, I totally get it.
The prison system PERIOD in the US is the problem. I have no more sympathy for a 16 year old criminal than I do for a 30 year old, BUT, my life has been severely impacted by teenaged criminals in Britain who constantly receive a slap on the wrist from the legal system, rather than what they really deserve, despite dozens of convictions.
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We have the same problem in Canada. People are, in theory, supportive of rehab and of mercy. The problem is that when there is a violent crime noteworthy enough to make the news the initial report ends with "[name] was known to police". The subsequent reports will almost always reveal that the individual had a long criminal history. At that point can you really blame people for calling for higher mandatory minimums and harsh sentencing?
@1313stjimmy this is because some people just aren't capable of reform, and people generally aren't capable of being reformed after their third time around. The problem with the liberal view of "everyone needs mercy" is it believes evil doesn't exist nor do sociopaths.
I would argue that the length of the sentence isn't the deciding factor in whether teens reform (although a longer sentence, especially in an adult facility, definitely seems counterintuitive). If a teen keeps committing crimes and the only response is punishment, whether minor or extreme, what's actually changed in that teen's circumstances or mentality to get them to stop or even want to stop? It's a blatant and well understood fact that poverty is one of the key factors in petty and violent crime, and in gang violence. Locking someone up or fining them is never going to alleviate or mitigate that, and will usually just make the situation worse. Prison does nothing except keep them away from would-be victims for a little while, which has its uses but which is unsustainable when so many people feel compelled to turn to crime.
Yeah most of those countries are not a complete Melting Pot of people and thoughts and religions those countries are also nowhere near the 350 million population that America has so complete benign argument that's the same argument as we get with oh look at all the countries that have Incorporated some socialist ideas and how well they're doing France and Sweden and Denmark and a whole bunch of other countries. Now don't get me wrong we definitely need prison reform and police reform and we definitely need to get the f*** rid of the whole privatized prison system but to just say that there are many countries with softer Justice systems that have way less people coming back to jail in prison without looking at population size whether or not the country is as open to migrants entering whether that country is mostly all of one religion whether that country is... all of these things matter because we are a mix of everything we take people from all over the world and we have the biggest mix of religions backgrounds and cultures in the entire world and we have the third largest population size of any country in the entire world yet the other couple of countries that are above us in population are mostly all one religion or mostly all Communists or mostly all this mostly all that
The flaw is that everyone is different and we don't know how each person will turn out. We cannot see into their minds, hearts, and souls, and many of them lie while others tell the truth. On one hand, a kid gets severely punished who truly never would have committed the crime given a second chance.. On the other hand, a different kid receives a lighter sentence and later murders someone in your family. Both scenarios have occurred before, so which is the right sentencing choice when you don't know the unknowable?
You sentence for the crime alone... not intent or whether they would do it again. Would he do it a second time? Doesn't matter. He did it once and must pay the penalty. IN most cases "rehabilitation" is a myth. Yes, there are people that have truly rehabilitated and I wish them well, but that is a vanishingly small minority of incarcerated criminals.
@@rtyrsson Your comments about rehabilitation are true, but they reflect a system that doesn't seek to encourage reform, not the inmates. If the system (for both teens and adults) was designed for more than providing cages for slave laborers, and instead focused on mental health, job training, and reintegration for the prisoners who aren't already hardened criminals, recidivism rates would drop and the percentage of people who could be considered reformed would skyrocket. There will always be monsters among us, but we have the ability to stop manufacturing extras.
@@myrabeth77 Unfortunately, dropping the recidivism rates would not be good for the pro-profit prison complex; gotta make that all mighty dollar no matter the cost to society.
@@rtyrssonthan why is recidivism way lower in countrys that focus on rehabilitation? There are things we can do to increase the chance for rehabilitation..i think as a society: if we know we can, we should
@@saraa.4295 Those same countries (I'm thinking Scandinavia, for example) have much more cohesive family structures. In America the Left has tried (and largely succeeded) in destroying the nuclear family and replaced it with government dependency. It is not a recipe for success.
I watched one of those crime documentaries on 2 17 year old boys who kicked a 45 lb log off of a cliff side which hit a 47 year old female fatally. They lied, scrambled, blamed, whatever but take ownership for what happened. The husband signed a plea deal stating that his wife would not have wanted the boys lives ruined for this. They got 3 years by the grace of that man. Most in a "prison" are for extreme or violent crimes.
@@rtyrsson it is both true and a result of GANG VIOLENCE in inner cities. We are pretending like they are innocent angels who just slipped up one time, but these are career VIOLENCT GANG MEMBERS.
POV: you opened up TH-cam. The first video suggested for you is one about teenage delinquency and incarceration. The suggested video underneath of it is a clip from Beavis and Butthead.
If you want to keep kids from committing crimes and ending up in any form of prison, you have to start when they’re born. If they have the same chances, same education, same food availability and same support from people who actually care and are trained, then you’ll see those rates drop.
You're overlooking the factor of parenting and moral upbringing. You're looking at an "equity" based and government-trained upbringing, which is more prone to abuse than anything. When you state "same support from people who actually care and are trained" you have omitted the parents. Few government functionaries actually care about the children they are supposed to care about. Some few do, of course. Most of them simply enjoy exercising their limited power over the lives of others. It is its own non-financial corruption. Now, if you propose governmental approval for parenting, you're heading into very very dark territory.
@@rtyrsson Hey now, thats a bit harsh you know? The inherent problem plaguing government institutions is the wide age gap between us(Viewers) and them(Government officials). Its not easy to change things now. I think it's good to be optimistic in our predicament like the person you are criticizing.
@@rtyrsson No I don't think rebecca is overlooking taht at all. "people who actually care" definitely includes parents. However, parenting is a skill. Sometimes parents drop the ball, though. Life doesn't come with manuals and training. School doesn't typically teach anyone how to be a parent either. Somehow society just kinda expects this to be a thing everyone can successfully pick up and execute no matter what circumstances they are in or how they were raised...
@@vampiredragon5849 Age has no factor, unless you can make a convincing argument for that. I'm now sure how you can say crime and punishment change between age 20 and 50. The same crime is committed and the same punishment is due.
@@VolundMush That is the role of grandparents, in teaching their sons and daughters to be good parents. The government has NO ROLE... ZERO in telling parents how to raise their children.
I can roughly Imagine how those teens feel. To explain I'm German and in Germany we have special prisons for underage prisoners (14-20) and I was sentenced to 3 Years for heavy assault (Schwere Körperverletzung) when i was 16 and I'm not gonna lie where prison does have its good side it gets overshadowed by the trauma I have from that experience. Edit: I got a reduced sentence and i only spend 1.5 Years in Prison.
@@yeet1248should have been ruled "nothilfe" in that case.. Either the accusing lawyer was to good, yours to bad or you did some over the top damage..which..understandable, but yeah, the courts can't okay it! Hope you are doing well now
The last few months I was a high school teacher, I spent most of my day teaching at a juvenile facility. It was nice that we were still teaching them, but the guards still often treated them as hardened criminals, not as kids with undeveloped brains.
Compared to Australian youth crimes problems, we got 14yr olds with dozens of arrests for hundreds of crimes charged but they just keep getting released back out immediately often within hours of arrests. We had a proposal to change the age of criminal responsibility to 14 couple years back, the minister in support of it believe they should not be held responsible for anything, she literally said "even if they committed murder, they probably have a good reason for it".
As a Canadian who works in the justice system, seeing teens steal cars, get released on paper, go back on the streets and keep stealing only to get re-released, I can tell you the US justice system works better than being soft on crime. Keeping offenders out of jail doesn't help law abiding citizens. If these people choose to break the law, they can suffer the consequences.
Watch enough Body Cam footage and you will see dozens of teens that are well beyond redemption and have no desire to rehabilitate. do we need rehabilitation programs? yes, but some are just lost causes. Most of those who end up in this situation are from broken homes in broken neighborhoods. if you want to prevent these kids from going down this path, put positive male role models in their life.
Hey at least your lungs are fine, its not like they locked up you for 10 years.. if a kid doesn't understand that smoking isn't okay at that age with words then well.. yeah.
Simon, advocating for a 12yrs old who commited murder to get out is a slippery slope, same as for their crimes to not be on their files. Imagine he goes on to date your daughter and then stabs her like that 'boy' in the UK did recently. He'll be out in his 30's and parents of the girl will be visiting her at her grave. So no, I do not believe teens who commit crimes should be given easy way out, this is the consequence. Advocating they can change when they obviously didn't have support or they wouldn't end up where they are in the first place. So no. Keep the teens that want to do big crimes with the big criminals.
If you've got a kid murdering someone, something has gone very wrong in their life- mental health, neglect, abusive parents, parents modelling abusive behaviour, untreated sociopathy, the list goes on I can't see how trying to fix that is gonna do more harm to anyone. Sure we can't bring back the dead, but we sure as hell can try and stop that 30 year old man from gaining the skills and ruthlessness to try it again when he emerges from a broken prison system
@ViewingChaos in the US atleast the urban black community celebrates crime and violence. They will actively lie to protect people who killed their freinds because the culture says any cooperation with justice is betrayal. Parents teach their kids to hate and commit acts of violence as young as 5. We've got entire families raising their kids to commit crimes and compounding generational criminal knowledge, and then their whole community will lie to protect them even after they rob them. For instance in my town we have a black juvenile that was given the "he just needs a chance" treatment at 13. Got a slap on the wrist and was let out for breaking into cars. Then he started stealing unattended cars and got sent to the "summer camp" style juvenile detention center. But he enjoyed that so much compared to his home life so when he got out he stole more cars and went on a high speed chase. So he got sent to real juvie where he made gang connections at a chop shop. So when he got out he started carjacking people. He got picked up agajn and went back, the defense argued "he just needs a chance and an education" so he got out after a few months. Now his dad got out of prison, so his dad started getting him guns and giving him targets since he knew his son wouldn't get real time and he was on parole. Now the boy was doing home invasions and armed robberies. Later he even attempted to collect on a hit out on someome and failed getting him his first attempted murder charge at 16. His Rap sheet grew to add a few aggravated batteries and another attempted murder before we caught him again at 17. He served a year before he again got out on the bleeding heart agenda. We came and testified that if he was let out he'd kill someome within the year. 3 months later he shot an innocent man with no record or gang connections that volunteers in the community 3 times infront of 70 people killing him. Everyone involved including the crowd was black. Not a single person in the crowd would come forward and say they were a witness. They were even the victims friends, they went to his funeral and looked his dad in the eye and said they weren't there and they didn't see anything. What they didn't know is we had video of the event. So now it's coming out that we know that they know. These Same people were marching for black lives matter two years ago, but clearly black lives don't matter to black people. Had he been kept in prison that man would still be alive, had his community cared for what is right and wrong that boy would have received help and support in the right direction. The simple truth is black people make up the overwhelming majority of the prison population both youth and adult because their culture is one of rot, violence, scamming and intimidation. And the situation wont get better until something is done about the culture.
So you only care about being punitive? That’s kinda weird but okay. I think the justice system should be used to make society a better place and doing what’s described in the video objectively doesn’t accomplish that. Also, so is it okay to revoke someone’s rights when we don’t like them as a society? I don’t think that’s a society I particularly want to strive for but that’s just me tho.
There have been a couple recent cases in the US where parents have been criminally charged themselves for acts committed by their children. I think once this practice gains wider use we will see a decline in juvenile offenders or at least residavism.
my first question any time i encounter youth crime is "Where are the parents?" to my mind it all starts at home. as for "systemic racism" i am not buying it.
I have served time in tx jails- the idea that it is "corrective" is ludicrous. if it wasn't for my martial arts training things could have been much worse.
That was mostly the 70s and the early 90s. Crime rates and other ills declined later in the 90s. The crime bill was passed just as that era was ending.
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He's already wrong at 3:22. "Systematic racism" is complete nonsense. I am a Black man. I grew up in this environment. My brother was a teenager who went to prison. It wasn't because the System was "racist". No, it was because he made really stupid decisions when he was a young man. I disagree with this narrative because it makes people believe they are some victim when often times they are not.
Children learn from their surroundings. If they are surrounded by gangs, drugs and violence, that is what they learn. I have no idea what to do with a 12 year old that murders someone, but some of the blame must go to the environment they are living in.
While I do agree about not putting teen into adult prison. Saying they barely understand the world is questionable, IMO, some already smoke weeds, committed petty crime, drunk driving,....
For a father himself (and his writers are parents too) it just shows how little they understand the world today. The teens have the internet at their finger tips they know the world and with their parents guidance can understand the world correctly
@@rismarck Just because they have internet, that doesn't mean they understand the world. If anything that makes them more succeptable to misinformation and coercion. And don't kid yourself that adults understand the modern world enough to provide guidance (or even care about providing guidance).
@@rismarck Dude, teens don’t fully comprehend the concept of death/mortality. They think it’s something that happens to other people. Logically they know that isn’t true, but they don’t understand that it is true. This is why when regimes have committed some of the worst atrocities in human history they used child/teen soldiers to do so. Because they don’t quite understand. The pieces are there, but they haven’t been clicked into place yet. We have objectively demonstrated this to be the case.
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It is a spectrum. Some kids are definitely over punished, while there are some that are receiving the punishment they deserve. And there are some kids that lie in-between.
Someone that I love was incarerated at 16 and was definitely not a "super predator." I fucking hate how politicians play their stupid fucking games and the American people have to pay the price.
@@woodlandmac And you know this because 🤔Is a person killed by a teenager any less dead than someone killed by a forty-year-old, does the victim of a grape have less value if the grapist was a teenager rather than older. And often the victim is in the in the same age range.
It's important to keep in mind just how frequently people in the US judicial system serve time for lesser crimes than they actually commit. Someone gets arrested after commiting a kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture, fleeing from police, illegal possession of a firearm, possession of narcotics above X amount, battery against a police officer, reckless endangerment, attention vehicular homicide. Then the DA comes to them and says something like. Hey if you plead guilty for reckless endangerment, fleeing police, and various drug offenses and I'll drop all other charges to avoid going to trial. The assigned attorney (rightly) informs the criminal just how lucky he is to get so many things dropped and so he gets sentenced to 5 years for what looks like (when you read his record) he was caught with drugs and ran from the cops for a bit and got captured. Then next thing you know he gets his sentence reduced because no one wants such a non violent person doing a full 5 years for what's obviously just a little drug use and poor choices that harmed no one. Winners in these scenarios are DA's office cause they don't have to attend a lot of money or time going to trial and can pad their resume for election time Defense attorney who doesn't have to waste time and money on a trial and can pad his resume for advertising purposes. Criminal who gets off with 18 months for ruining someone's life as well as trying to kill multiple people. Losers in these scenarios Society at large because we taught that individual plus everyone watching how to game the system and get away with it so they can go right back out and do it again without really facing what they did. That's the norm not the exception. I don't know what the exactly numbers are but based on my own observations and experience in multiple aspects of the criminal justice system from different angles I would say that approach is taken 92%-99% of the time
You got it backwards they way overcharge only bring it down to avoid going to trail. no way you could be naive enough to think that prosecutors are out there not charging much as legally possible and is a lot cases, way more than that. only to be foiled by those damn pubic defenders doing 20cases at once. There’s a reason we have the highest prison population in the world and it’s not because we have the highest number of crimes not even close .
2:55 Lack of a father/ father figure, is the main cause. No father means either a very burnt out mother, drugged out mother, struggling mother, or one of the three mentioned above grandparents to old to offer help. Now there are definitely single mothers raising their kids to be a pillar of the community but for most of the time she can’t do it alone. If you’re going to pull the race card I would have thought you looked at the facts first. The tunnel vision seen in this video is alarming compared to your other videos
In some places in Canada, you can still be charged as an adult for major violent crimes as young as 12, but they have also made an effort to offer educational programs, counseling, and vocational training to inmates of all ages displaying good behavior.
@dakidvision this is why I said SOME places do that. Others just suck as much as the USA system, aside from not being a "for profit" industry like many are in the USA.
The US Teenage Prison problem starts, and ends, with the parents. There is absolutely zero accountability for the parents in any case involving a teenager. If the parents were punished as well, then maybe some change could occur. Until that happens though, there will be no change to the system. Frequently, the parents encourage their children to commit crimes, often because they know the punishment will be lighter. When you are taught that crime is good, and the police are just out to get you, these kids have little chance to grow up "normally" and become "good" adults.
While you're not wrong you are not taking into account those of us that had/have amazing parents and still turned into delinquents; my parents definitely didn't/don't deserve to be punished for anything I've done.
Then you look at the outrage when the school shooters father got locked up, from the same people screaming to have kids locked up for life or wanting death penalties carried out. While their own kids break every law in the book! Just a pack of hypocrites!
I live in TN. We now have a law where making a threat, which is up to teachers and school administrators to decide, is a felony punished by expulsion and prison time. That has NOTHING to do with parents. Kids as young as TEN are being arrested and their lives are destroyed. We're living in a police state. This is not on the parents.
I really dislike how this video disregards the crimes that those teenagers have committed. I understand that some may be able to rehabilitate, but if you commit a murder at 16, I think you should get a severe punishment regardless.
well, he did quote 73% are in there for non-violent crimes who then get further corrupted being tried as adults for drug, theft, and other non-violent crimes. I really dislike how this comment disregards the impact and illogical sentencing of these youth who cannot make important life choices yet. Of course the violent, sadistic ones should face stiff punishment, I don't think this video is saying otherwise.
@@aunsokolov8355why should it have a point?? if you do that you are done, no one likes people who do that you don't deserve redemption at that point.. redemption is there for people who just stole a candy or at the very most money.
I mean, it is kinda hard to even respond something to a question like this. "why should it have a point?" Because literally every single thing that we do should have a point. Otherwise it is pointless and we should not do it, period. You can disagree with this all you want, but then you just sound insane for me, like you just wanna do random things because...chaos, I dunno. I asked for an explanation of why do we even have courts and punishments and all that -- because I would really want people to think about this, then ask some more questions, then _maybe_ they can realise a few important things. But then you respind with "why should it have a point?" and I'm like "damn". I did not expect this, it is too ridiculously nonsensical. Admittedly, you also mention "redemption", so there is even more nonsense there, but nothing beats "why should it have a point?"
There’s a cultural problem with black youths as well. The idolization of gangs or street life. The lyrics in rap bragging about getting an op or doing copious amounts of lean. We need to do better in our community’s.🤦🏾🤦🏾
Yes sir! Regardless of race, every American child deserves a proper upbringing. Fatherhood is one factor, or the lack thereof. There was a time not so long ago that despite some of the struggles the American black family was the very definition of "family values." It has been lost somehow.
What direction does that go though? Do children that express interest in such culture become criminal? Or do children that are exposed to criminality/poverty become interested in such culture?
Thank you, Into the Shadows😐. A very compelling presentation video about juvenile crime and sentencing. Superb to bring these questions about society to light💯. Glad to be a fan of the channel!
Everyone forgets that a child with 103 years to serve forgets that taxes are paying for that kids incarceration. If they are a slightly compliant, productive prisoner, then that’s 70-80 years of much cheaper incarceration with someone that can earn. If you don’t care about the person… Why not at least aim for that (& yes I’ve met kids, it’s not going to be easy)
2:00 @Simon FYI: each State has their own laws and court system. minimum age for a juvenile to be tried, convicted & be sent to an adult prison is totally dependent on the State in which the crime occurred. However, multi state crimes and cases involving minor & human trafficking are automatically handled by the Federal Court. Hope this helps.
I think it needs to be mentioned here that at the same time it was determined that parents were not allowed to discipline their children. What some thought was excessive got your kids removed from the home. Another factor overlooked is the number of households that did not have a father in them. Does anyone else besides me see how that would dramatically add to the problem?
You are 100% correct... without reservation. It is a major and the primary issue. We did not see these problems to this scale in the 1950s and 1960s when intact families were the norm.
@@rtyrssonThat's because the harm of corporal punishment was not fully realised. Emotionally immature adults hit children to appease their own anger. There are numerous studies on this topic- hitting children does more harm than good You ain't teaching them a lesson, you're just teaching them that one day when they're bigger and stronger- they're justified to do the same to you, or anyone else crossing their path
Fun fact. Violent crime has been on a steady decline since 1992. The only places bucking this trend are the easy victim zones and states with strong anti-defense laws. Even then the trend is level to slightly down in most of those.
@@sage1312the feds changed the system used to compile these statistics leading to many cities and even a couple of states not reporting crime data. Go ahead and Google it.
I highly doubt the justice system can handle a teen that didnt know he bought a stolen moped because he was in good faith. Compared to if they commit a murder in cold blood. After i saw the kids for cash documentary then whow. A harsh judge punishing a kid for something he didnt know & almost treating him like a murder...
@@darthbalgarus6986Five topics to fix society via discussion: -Anti-natalism vs Natalism -The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care. -Platinum rule Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same. -MBTI (research yours and connect with others) -Art (pick one and get better at it!)
As far as the recidivism is concerned, correlation does not equate correlation. There is no way to definitively say that being jailed in generalnpopulation alongside other adult criminals directly leads to them.becoming repeat offenders. It is just as, if not More likely, that teenagers who are convicted criminals are simply the type of personality whom would be career criminals to start with.
Five topics to fix society via discussion: -Anti-natalism vs Natalism -The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care. -Platinum rule Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same. -MBTI (research yours and connect with others) -Art (pick one and get better at it!)
We can compare stats from different nations to see who has better results. If you are wondering it’s not the US. Nations that focus on rehabilitation and keep ages/level of offenders segregated have MUCH better outcomes. In fact there isn’t really great evidence that prisons actually accomplish all that much. It’s counterintuitive, but the evidence doesn’t suggest prisons are a particularly effective means of deterring crime.
The whole idea of punishment instead of rehabilitation is the problem no matter the age. The rehabilitation is part of the punishment they are still in prison. If they aren't sentenced to life why shouldn't the focus be rehabilitation or else the problem just continues.
When I was a freshman in hs, one of my classmates shot and killed another classmate of ours. At 14/14 years old, the shooter was tried as an adult. I didn't know him very well, but we did have a class together and we had several mutual friends. The victim was also on my outer social circle as we lived in the same neighborhood. After seeing everything that happened back then, I'm torn on this issue. Yes, kids do stupid stuff and when it comes to minor crimes, they shouldn't be given such harsh sentences. They're still growing and changing, and its ridiculous to throw the book at them. But when it comes to more serious crimes like murder, I think back to how the death of my classmate effected his family and my friends, how the shooter did it (shot him in the back while he was walking away), and just how awful everything was... The shooter should absolutely get a VERY harsh sentence. I still don't think that should mean life in prison, but like at least 20 to 30 years. There has to be some kind punishment for that kind of thing. No one gets to do something like that without major consequences.
Whichever writer fact checked this needs to get it together. The DOE data suggests that only 28,300 students are expelled per year in k-12 public schools and 786,600 students are suspended per year. And that is while administrators try to reduce these numbers by ignoring student misbehavior. As a public school teacher, I don't really have an answer to what we can do for these youth as we have failed them in the past, and do fail them currently. But it should not be to allow them to terrorize their neighborhood schools. That is the current state of affairs, and it has a direct link to the increases in school shootings, usually due to bullying by other students and teachers inability to remove those bullies from the classroom, or give them meaningful consequences. We have seen a surge in "school choice" for this reason, and it Is only exacerbating the inequities our students are facing. While all of that is happening, the adults who went through that system, who are now functional autonomous members of society, are criticizing a system that worked in making them good members of society, and insisting on radically changing it despite the lack of evidence for any alternative systems of education. That is not to mention the teacher attrition due to unreasonable stress from student behavior, as some of us being assaulted on a daily basis. I don't understand why people are intent on crying for these youth who have done horrible things such as killing someone, or sa crimes. Yes the backpack example was an awful overstep, but that does not mean we should let them back on the streets instead. And since we know the Juvenile Justice system is just as broken, what can we do except lock them up with other kids of the same age? Really upset at the misinformation and failure to recognize the lack of suggestions for actual reform of the system. This is subpar work at best...
Yes, the public school system is a complete failure. But decrying parents' ability to send their kids to better schools does not do a service to the students. You speak of "equity," yet that is only possible by reducing the quality of education to the lowest common denominator... which is abject failure. Then there is also the matter of many teachers more concerned with "social justice" initiatives rather than concerned that students are graduating high school and are functionally illiterate, if not entirely illiterate.
@rtyrsson public schools have never been a failure, and in fact on the whole have been highly successful. The evidence is your ability to function as an adult, and the previous generations ability to do so, as well, whereas overall this generation of students is illiterate and not prepared for adulthood. You do not need to reduce the quality of education to achieve equity either. That has never been the case in the public school system. That is proven by the current generations inability to grasp basic literacy, even though teachers are more qualified and studied than ever before. It is also not an issue of parents ability to send their child to a "better" school, the issue is allowing public funds to be used for this via vouchers and exclusive rather than inclusive programs. The public school system has become flawed by the steady chipping away of public schools funds by politicians touting school choice as an answer when it only increases the disparity in student success, and their failure to increase funding for schools, or teachers pay to meet inflation.
the law in canada says that if you are under 18 you cannot serve in an adult faculty, if if you we a violent offender who was tried as an adult, if you are under 18 you serve in juvie until you are an adult
I think they idea would be that teenagers would see this as a wake up call,learn from other peoples mistakes,and then NOT end up in prison to begin with...No one ever considered how absolutely brainless youth are.
@rtyrsson Five topics to fix society via discussion: -Anti-natalism vs Natalism -The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care. -Platinum rule Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same. -MBTI (research yours and connect with others) -Art (pick one and get better at it!)
Punish? Why punish? What does punishment accomplish? Nothing. Literally nothing. It does deter others from committing the crime, but I'd say it falls under the third option.
Yes and if it does 2/3 (punish and protect) with current funding it has done well. Rehabilitation is best to serve before prison. For example stay in school, stay out of gangs.
Rikers Island is not a prison, but a jail for New York City, albeit a very dangerous one. It's absolutely ridiculous that Kalief ended up there for 800 days when inmates are supposed to only be there for up to a year. Anyone sentenced to over a year usually ends up going to a state prison.
Sorry but When you’re 20 years old, you can’t buy alcohol because you’re, “almost 21”. If you’re 30, you can’t have relationships with a 17 year old because they are, “almost 18”. And if you commit a crime, you should not be charged as an adult because you’re, “almost 18”
That's not why.They are charged as adults,because they've committed ADULT crimes.These aren't kids scribbling in the wall downtown,these are kids selling drugs,doing drugs,stealing from people,in ways that will very much lead them to escalate their crimes if left unchecked...Every ADULT,was just a kid too.Hitler was a kid,and I'm oretty sure if he did what he did at 9 years old,you wouldn't have a different opinion on the punishment because of his age.
I agree with you to an extent but I also think it depends on the crime, the planning and the severity it is as well. It has to be a case by case scenario.
Absolutely spot on. The issues start with parenting. Unfortunately, many parents hands are tied. The line between discipline and abuse is blurred; rendering parents incapable. I have seen social services all up against a parent who was firm against his son decent to crime.
@@markzuckergecko621 Idiots like you think they have it easy. It's a critical part of Republican fearmongering doctrine. Then you find yourself on the wrong side of the law and 'OMG!! I don't deserve this! I'm an American!' The hypocrisy's so thick, you can cut it with a spork.
@@jonym.310 Proportional and rational are subjective. And in a justice system that's run by career bureaucrats and politicians, those don't get you elected. Extreme sells. We're about to get another example of that for at least the next four years.
If they're still children, with children's brains, they can't be held to the standard of someone with an adult brain. It's pretty simple. I mean, 18 year olds aren't adults either. As far as brain development, adolescence doesn't end until we're 26 years old!
@@themischief420 Developing yes, that never stops, but there are certain aspects of cognition that solidify around 20-25 years of age (it tends to be younger in females than males). This is why you can’t diagnose someone under the age of 18 with a personality disorder (and there are opinions that it should be older as some 20, 21, 22 yo have been diagnosed with a PD at those ages for them to no longer meet the criteria a few years later).
Yet another reason i would never move to America let alone have a family there. Not even going to mention the guns and healthcare. America is a broken society and is getting worse, their rule/dominance of the world is coming to an end.
I sometimes think the prison system in my country is too soft on crimes, but it's at least actually rehabilitating most of the juvenile & adult offenders by providing them steady chances to study, securing human rights no matter what, getting them psychological help, process trauma, get addiction counseling, ways to get out of negative/bad groups of people, schooling on how to manage finances, and their rep sheet usually isn't public info or accesible to citizins either. This gives them a much greater chance to re-enter the workforce and start a steady life away from crime, especially for juveniles. Sure, this system isn't perfect either, but the statistics in comparison to the average US (juvi) prisoners and their paths after prison speaks volumes.
Yes... "most." Let us not forget that some people are entirely evil, chaotic, or simply too antisocial or have no moral compass to be allowed into normal society. America has had a problem since the insane asylums were closed in the 1980s. Many of our problems can be traced to this. The recidivism rate is such that we must genuinely consider that the rate of rehabilitation that is dreamed of is entirely unrealistic.
@@rtyrsson So because there are some people who can't be changed means that nothing should be tried? This is entirely illogical. Those people that can't be reformed can stay locked up. A big issue with the re-offending rate too, at least in the US is exactly *because* we don't try to actually rehabilitate people. It is entirely focused on punishment and not actually trying to get people to change their ways. Of course the reoffending rate would be higher if we exclusively try to punish people and make no efforts at all to try and help them reform.
I actually worked in a juvenile detention center before as a guard. My actual job title wasn't guard but basically that's what I was. To put it in context this was located in southern Indiana which politically I think Simon would describe the area as yee-haw. I'm not sure if it was because it was a smaller town but the detention center was split in two and depending on the crime, not age that wasn't considered, would determine which half you'd be housed in. The difference was night and day one side was more of what my superiors described as a home environment they got to wear their own clothes, watch movies, longer phone time calls, if the guards wanted to they could actually leave the facility for activities and the fire door was unlocked so if they wanted to escape they could and if that happened we were instructed to let them and inform the police who would look for them and bring them back. The other side however was just straight up prison. We even had what was essentially solitary confinement. Since it was a small facility it wasn't a separate area it was there regular rooms and if we were full enough there would be someone else in there with them. But generally we had an extra room so usually they would end up being confined alone. The minimum length is 24hrs but there was no actual cap. The "resident", we weren't allowed to refer to them as inmates resident sounds nicer, could stay locked in there cells indefinitely. Fortunately the warden wasn't a dick and we never went over the 24hrs BUT there was nothing on the books to prevent it. We also had a few residents get transferred to adult prison while I was there and that was usually a shit show they either walked out in silence or broke down and got dragged out by the arms.
Admittedly I'm not up to date with my country (Australia)'s justice system but 3 years in a supermax prison for just stealing a bag?! WTF is wrong with the US?!
The idea of prison being a 'deterrent' and a 'punishment' is deeply flawed no matter what the age of the prisoner is. Prisons need to focus on reform over and above anything else. If you want to deal with crime being so bad in the US, that should be the first place to look. Unfortunately prisons make money, so the motivation for the owners is the opposite of what it should be. Make it so prisons are charged for every prisoner that leaves their prison and then re-offends.
This is one of the many things wrong with our justice system. It's why I'm so insistent on reforming the justice system, because of this kind of stuff right here. We have juvenile detention systems for a reason.
Nearly every state has various rehabilitation, counseling, GED nad vocational training programs. Teenagers are not just "left to rot". That's just one of many incorrect claims made in this video.
here's an idea... Hear me out... Don't have kids unless you BOTH are prepared to raise them TOGETHER (no baby momma/baby daddy crap - actual parents together).
I know kids do awful things. But something done at age 14 should not define an entire lifetime. Throwing kids into hellhole prisons with adults is cruel and should not be allowed.
You can't make accusations of "systemic racism" without clearly identifying what you're talking about. Simply identifying disparate outcomes is not sufficient, since different racial groups commit crime at different rates.
Sure, everything is going to be worse in this administration. Toenail fungus cases will rise, meat consumption will increase, and Botswana will collapse as a nation; and it will all be the incoming admin's fault. Let's get a grip.
Bro maybe it's not other peoples fault. Maybe its tied to their culture and the way they raise their kids? Im tired of this being MY fault. Im willing to admit the system is broken and we need to do something about it but can we stop saying its the other guys fault all the time?
If you can't get the priviliges of adulthood until you turn 18, you shouldn't have the responsibilities and consequences of adulthood until you turn 18.
But what do we do if the penalty for their crime exceeds the time that they'll be an adult? Like a 17 year old convicted for murder, do we just put them in juvey until they turn 18 and then let them free? That's where it gets complicated.
@@4ryan42 you don't have to be an adult to pull a trigger, and the families of their victims are still mourning the same, regardless of how old their victimizer was.
I just wish "if you do the crime, you do the time" applied to our politicians.
We just elected a felon. Crime is all in the eye of the voter.
Pity it doesn't apply to 78 year olds.
You mean the Clintons? Or the Kennedy’s?😂😂Lol he lives rent free in your heads, you should work on that😳
To the "elite" as a whole really. If a person has enough money, crimes are nothing more than bills to be paid
@@ringlhach politicians are exempt its generally for you and me!
I once worked on a juvenile (13-17 year olds) unit in a state prison, with many serving 10, 20 or more years. There was a 15-year-old serving 103 years; in the sentencing report, the judge said "I'm sorry to give you such a lengthy sentence, but due to your age, I can't have you executed." Most came from multiple-generation gang families, and really had no chance. The modal crime was abduction, torture, rape and then murder of random strangers. They all thought it was so cool to be in prison. I felt 1 kid there out of 150 had a chance to get out and go straight. 0:02
Can they be released after 30-40 years? When the testosterone drops out of their bodies
That's nobody else's responsibility. Nobody else should need to worry that he relapses. He's a victim, sure, but he is also creating them and his life is not more valuable than anyone else's
Well said... Kids aren't inherently evil... There taught tht
Yeah. This is the exact problem with the prison system. It doesn't address the root cause of the issue. It's painful to know that so many children won't have a chance because they are taught by their parents, who most likely were taught by their own, that crime is the only way. How many Einsteins have we lost to this?
@@LeonMortgageexcept when you have never seen, known, or been taught anything other that the crime and violence of the life youve grown up in, then you wont go down a different path without help. And by just putting them on prison all you do is put them with adults who can torture them mentally and physically leaving them scarred, but also can teach them to commit more crimes or get them into their gangs. And when you havent had anything to help you change you wont so when youre released you are even worse. Its a cycle. Go to prison, get worse, get released, reoffend, go back to prison. Theres almost no way to get them off that hamster wheel.
And when it comes to children who commit violent crimes we immediately label them as 'evil' but children dont commit acts like this without a reason. But the system never bothers to learn why - what mental illness did they have that no one noticed? How many years had they been spirraling? What kind of abuse had they themselves suffered which changed them? That they would never talk about?
And putting a bit of time, effort, and money into helping turn a childs life around can lead them to be released a changed person. Give them a grace period to prove themselves, lock their record so it wont effect their chances or getting a job or going to school, and that person will be a member of society who in turn will make that money out into them tenfold.
My SO was one of this teens in the 90's that got sent to adult prison at 16. He still an old lady's purse. He'd been homeless for weeks and was starving. The old lady went to court and asked the judge to be lenient due to the back story of my SO. He was sentenced to 8 years in adult prison. He beat the odds and didn't go back to prison. But even over 20 years later, he still struggles to find steady work because if one dumb mistake made years ago as a child.
just think, if he had tugged just a little harder on the purse she might have fallen and died, and then he woulda been charged with her murder during a crime, you 2 would have never met and he'd still be in there.
@@lawrencecrocker4870 WTF?
@@tkmccoywv i just mean, its so easy to make a minor crime into a major crime. I wasnt wishing it upon them lol
I think all SO should be released and Islamic Honor Rap was allowed in America!!!!
Sounds like you should live under Shari'La!!!
There is not a single state that allows for 8 years for theft even for adults, much less for kids. So either he actually committed a robbery not just a theft, or you made this whole story up for attention in the youtube comments
I am naive. I thought teens only tended to get charged as adults for very serious offenses like murder or maybe repeated violence. This is disgusting and predatory.
It is typically violent crimes and they are not put in gen pop.
There are a lot of violent and predatory teens these days.
Everyone is staring at their phones so if you want attention you need to go viral. Easiest way is to delete others.
Not to their victims. My wife is a teacher and has been assaulted numerous times by these animals for simply holding them accountable (doing their schoolwork).
If only our corrupt politicians did time when they commit crimes.
forget about the politicians...if you want to improve society make that rule apply to the wealthy...
@@ronevans936 There's no reason for this to be an either/or situation. Make the rules apply to everyone across the board. But you and I will never see that happen.
@@tkmccoywv nope...
naw we let convicted felons run for president. The only office they can run for actually, founding fathers forgot about that one for some reason....probably because they never thought it would come to this....
The United States has more than 20% of the world's prison population, even though it only makes up about 5% of the world's population. The US has a higher incarceration rate than most developed countries, and is considered a leader in mass incarceration. Quite simply put, it is a for-profit business.
Well it’s because we have a certain population who can’t better themselves or refuse to because of their culture they created themselves
I'm a minority... it's the minorities mine included.
@@dans2971that they are not, if you lock someone up for 50 years to do slave labor of course the prison population grows cause no one gets out
South America makes up around 5 percent of the global population, also has the worst murder rates along with Jamaica, Mexico not far behind. Maybe those countries need more prisons, or better police. Is it a coincidence that nearly half the prison population in California is Latino?
Korea and Japan have low murder rates, and if you look at the Korean and Japanese population living in America, they are underrepresented in the prison population, it seems they don't commit violent crimes at the rate of other cultures.
Could culture have an effect on criminal behavior?
@@kerrygold6494sure, it appears anyone who’s “culture” comes from the west seems to be less moral, and more criminal. Or were you trying to be racist? 🤗
I did 90 days in a juvenile detention center. We weren’t allowed to wear clothing in our cells and the guards would go out of their way to make it uncomfortable for us, making us walk naked down the stairs to go to the bathroom etc.
That's terrible! I hope you've made a good life for yourself. Best of luck to you.
They almost gave me 5 years just for spray painting, I was only in middle school 🤣
But you knew it was wrong when you did it, right?
@@michaelbenksteinis it worth them doing 5yrs for something so petty? Get a grip
@@michaelbenksteinthere are adults that get less time for r*pe. Don’t they know it is wrong?
What does that have to do with anything @@michaelbenkstein
@@michaelbenksteinI'm sure they did but you are detached from reality if you think 5 years is reasonable 😂
The backpack story is just ridiculous. How the hell do you keep a kid in that place for 3 years???
It was a nice backpack
Which is mostly his parent's fault.
@@partygrove5321 No, it wasn't his mother's fault. The NYPD grabbed Kalief Browder at random just because he was Black and "fit the description." His mother fought ceaselessly for his release, especially because he was never formally charged.
Seconded. Any chance of a Casual Criminalist on this one..?
@@partygrove5321 yes his parents fault that he was totally innocent! Smdh
End the for profit private prison industrial complex, stop ACA lobbyists from wormtongueing congress, and abolish punishment and discrimination after sentence completion.
That is all.
Politicians: "But money."
I agree with private "for profit" prisons being abolished. I do not agree with letting child criminals off the hook in the least. The entire "school to prison pipeline" narrative is a myth. It takes away personal responsibility and accountability. There is no agenda by which a school prepares or intends students to make their way to prison. Failing culture and poor parenting are the reason teenagers are going to prison for crimes they have committed.
That is way too much common sense for America given who they've just reelected. Money controls everything there. The media wanted trump reelected for money and clicks. They got their wish. Now, the republicans have congress and the senate there's going to be way more mental nonsense coming. Incarcerate youngsters? Fine. They just need fearmongering and panic to get the brainwashed American public onside.
Say it louder for the people not listening please!
That is total BS
It's good to see Kalief Browder's story still being spoken about. The documentary absolutely broke me.
What shocks me most is, that apparently everyone accepts that its normal to be assaulted and ra*ed in prioson. Like wtf. How can this be legal?
How is the prison not responsible to ensure basic human rights?
Very basic maybe... at most. Prison is a punishment. Or has that fact been forgotten?
Unjust punishments perhaps maybe you should look up the Constitution @@rtyrsson
You had your rights, before you violated the law, but once you did, you are thrown into literal hell - since you didn't consider your victims as humans, society won't consider you a human either.
Ya, a vandal or petty theft is dehumanizing people..... just making real criminals and breaking the ones that were just acting out @ceu160193
@ceu160193 I understand that you're illiterate and unable to understand your constitutional rights but perhaps maybe you should go back and read them
Imagine claiming to be a first world country while locking 13 year olds in prison for 55 years because you found a few microscopic crumbs of weed under their shoes
I sincerely hope that has never happened.
@@guacamoleman87This same country gave the death penalty to a 14 year old old black boy. Emmet Till.
This is Amerika. Rape isn't taken seriously
Social worker in training in Scotland here and they've just changed law that under 18s go to secure care and I'm currently on placement with social work youth team which supports young people 16-26 and I been sharing this video to explain importance of our role to why we ask to do the supervision for our young people
If a 16 year old kills my family member, I want him to be properly punished which means 15-20 years behind bars minimum! The severely flawed prison-administration system is a totally different problem. The inmates should be adequately guarded and protected, allowed access to education, provided with full healthcare, and considered free citizens once they serve their sentence - making their time in prison strictly confidential.
These are the only right steps instead of letting them get away with 1 year for murder because of the prison system flaws.
Even if they sexually assaulted and tortured that family member for days?
Trouble is, that costs more than the country is willing or can afford to pay. And a child that age locked up for 15 years has lost their formative years. Even with those reforms, they won't know how to survive. That helps neither the perpetrator nor the victims. A one-size fits all approach won't work either. Youthful emotions out of control, being led astray by bad influences, sikopathy, or whatever need to be treated differently.
@@MusicalRaichu
Would you be fine if (taking) the life of your loved one would cost 1.5 or 2 years behind bars? I'm not talking about an accident but deliberate act.
That’s like 0.01% of what we’re talking about here nobody ever has suggested one year for murder….. people keep getting this example from probably the worst example I’ve ever heard
Might as well say, even if that teenager Thanos snapped half of life out of existence. Did you even watch the video?
As a former Juvenile Supervisory officer. I can assure you that the entire system is completely broken.
That may well be, but abandoning juvenile punishment is not the answer. One of the problems we have is that teenage predators are aware of the recent misplaced sympathy and they rely on that, as do the gangs that recruit them. This has been noted elsewhere. Especially Sweden lately.
Basically when prisons are made into a buisniess.
@@matteste I am in favor of a strong and strict judicial system, but not in favor of for-profit prisons. It obviously creates issues. We need to increase prison capacity, if need be, but I think we need to reopen the asylums that were all closed in the 80s. Many of the criminal issues are due to uncontrolled mental health issues that are being treated criminally. Regardless of mental health status, one should pay for their crimes, but a good deal could be handled in mental health facilities before they become dangerous criminals.
As a former Juvenile Supervisory officer, you are part of the problem
@@matteste In our state there are no private prisons. Yet they are still full of the usual suspects
I genuinely do not know where to draw the line. During the riots here in the UK earlier this year we saw many people underage being little buggers (to put it nicely) and if anything it seemed it was celebrated by certain parents and supporters and thy knew very little would be done to them. Part of me thinks "yeah, lock um up, they brought it on themselves" but I know you just cannot put them into an adult jail.
@@_ginock_ it's also why gangs in the US initiate new members by having them hit a member from a rival gang, they won't be tried as harshly if they're underage.
@@_ginock_ which is also what drives gang violence, because they recruit members when they're kids or teens, typically from broken homes, looking for a family unit. They've already committed a murder before they're 18, they have nowhere else to go but back to the gang. I don't have all the answers, but I know all these liberal policies of being soft on crime aren't helping.
This has been a long problem in the US. Poor parenting is the first problem.
@@rtyrsson Poor parenting is a symptom of a failed public education system.
Blame everything on society and take no responsibiliy? Poor parenting is fault of parents, not goverment@@ErebosGR
I worked as a police officer, and later as a juvenile probation officer, here in the US before I lost my vision, and I can confirm that this issue is a huge problem. Believe me, I completely understand the impulse to equate justice with punishment, but defunding diversion and rehabilitation programs Just makes the overall "crime problem" worse in the long run. I can also confirm that things have indeed been getting better in the past 20 years, and especially in the past 5 to 10 years, but we still have a long way to go.
Also, did Simon mean "systemic" when he said "systematic"? Personally, I didn't know the difference until quite recently. So if he did make that mistake, I totally get it.
The prison system PERIOD in the US is the problem. I have no more sympathy for a 16 year old criminal than I do for a 30 year old, BUT, my life has been severely impacted by teenaged criminals in Britain who constantly receive a slap on the wrist from the legal system, rather than what they really deserve, despite dozens of convictions.
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
@@Martial-Mat yep, all it does to coddle juvenile offenders is make them more unhinged adult offenders later
We have the same problem in Canada. People are, in theory, supportive of rehab and of mercy. The problem is that when there is a violent crime noteworthy enough to make the news the initial report ends with "[name] was known to police". The subsequent reports will almost always reveal that the individual had a long criminal history. At that point can you really blame people for calling for higher mandatory minimums and harsh sentencing?
@1313stjimmy this is because some people just aren't capable of reform, and people generally aren't capable of being reformed after their third time around. The problem with the liberal view of "everyone needs mercy" is it believes evil doesn't exist nor do sociopaths.
I would argue that the length of the sentence isn't the deciding factor in whether teens reform (although a longer sentence, especially in an adult facility, definitely seems counterintuitive). If a teen keeps committing crimes and the only response is punishment, whether minor or extreme, what's actually changed in that teen's circumstances or mentality to get them to stop or even want to stop?
It's a blatant and well understood fact that poverty is one of the key factors in petty and violent crime, and in gang violence. Locking someone up or fining them is never going to alleviate or mitigate that, and will usually just make the situation worse. Prison does nothing except keep them away from would-be victims for a little while, which has its uses but which is unsustainable when so many people feel compelled to turn to crime.
The US might want to pay attention to the fact that many countries with far "softer" justice systems have far less recidivism.
Yeah most of those countries are not a complete Melting Pot of people and thoughts and religions those countries are also nowhere near the 350 million population that America has so complete benign argument that's the same argument as we get with oh look at all the countries that have Incorporated some socialist ideas and how well they're doing France and Sweden and Denmark and a whole bunch of other countries. Now don't get me wrong we definitely need prison reform and police reform and we definitely need to get the f*** rid of the whole privatized prison system but to just say that there are many countries with softer Justice systems that have way less people coming back to jail in prison without looking at population size whether or not the country is as open to migrants entering whether that country is mostly all of one religion whether that country is... all of these things matter because we are a mix of everything we take people from all over the world and we have the biggest mix of religions backgrounds and cultures in the entire world and we have the third largest population size of any country in the entire world yet the other couple of countries that are above us in population are mostly all one religion or mostly all Communists or mostly all this mostly all that
Really? Can you give me some numbers? I want to believe you; I just also want something concrete to build that belief on.
The flaw is that everyone is different and we don't know how each person will turn out. We cannot see into their minds, hearts, and souls, and many of them lie while others tell the truth.
On one hand, a kid gets severely punished who truly never would have committed the crime given a second chance.. On the other hand, a different kid receives a lighter sentence and later murders someone in your family.
Both scenarios have occurred before, so which is the right sentencing choice when you don't know the unknowable?
You sentence for the crime alone... not intent or whether they would do it again. Would he do it a second time? Doesn't matter. He did it once and must pay the penalty. IN most cases "rehabilitation" is a myth. Yes, there are people that have truly rehabilitated and I wish them well, but that is a vanishingly small minority of incarcerated criminals.
@@rtyrsson Your comments about rehabilitation are true, but they reflect a system that doesn't seek to encourage reform, not the inmates.
If the system (for both teens and adults) was designed for more than providing cages for slave laborers, and instead focused on mental health, job training, and reintegration for the prisoners who aren't already hardened criminals, recidivism rates would drop and the percentage of people who could be considered reformed would skyrocket. There will always be monsters among us, but we have the ability to stop manufacturing extras.
@@myrabeth77 Unfortunately, dropping the recidivism rates would not be good for the pro-profit prison complex; gotta make that all mighty dollar no matter the cost to society.
@@rtyrssonthan why is recidivism way lower in countrys that focus on rehabilitation?
There are things we can do to increase the chance for rehabilitation..i think as a society: if we know we can, we should
@@saraa.4295 Those same countries (I'm thinking Scandinavia, for example) have much more cohesive family structures. In America the Left has tried (and largely succeeded) in destroying the nuclear family and replaced it with government dependency. It is not a recipe for success.
I watched one of those crime documentaries on 2 17 year old boys who kicked a 45 lb log off of a cliff side which hit a 47 year old female fatally.
They lied, scrambled, blamed, whatever but take ownership for what happened. The husband signed a plea deal stating that his wife would not have wanted the boys lives ruined for this. They got 3 years by the grace of that man.
Most in a "prison" are for extreme or violent crimes.
"Most in a "prison" are for extreme or violent crimes." that is simply not true.
Most are in prison for misbehavior, not violent crime.
@@imanuelulbricht2470 It most certainly is.
@@rtyrsson It definitely isn't. If that would be true, the US would have the highest murder rate in the whole world.
@@rtyrsson it is both true and a result of GANG VIOLENCE in inner cities. We are pretending like they are innocent angels who just slipped up one time, but these are career VIOLENCT GANG MEMBERS.
POV: you opened up TH-cam. The first video suggested for you is one about teenage delinquency and incarceration. The suggested video underneath of it is a clip from Beavis and Butthead.
If you want to keep kids from committing crimes and ending up in any form of prison, you have to start when they’re born. If they have the same chances, same education, same food availability and same support from people who actually care and are trained, then you’ll see those rates drop.
You're overlooking the factor of parenting and moral upbringing. You're looking at an "equity" based and government-trained upbringing, which is more prone to abuse than anything. When you state "same support from people who actually care and are trained" you have omitted the parents. Few government functionaries actually care about the children they are supposed to care about. Some few do, of course. Most of them simply enjoy exercising their limited power over the lives of others. It is its own non-financial corruption. Now, if you propose governmental approval for parenting, you're heading into very very dark territory.
@@rtyrsson Hey now, thats a bit harsh you know? The inherent problem plaguing government institutions is the wide age gap between us(Viewers) and them(Government officials). Its not easy to change things now. I think it's good to be optimistic in our predicament like the person you are criticizing.
@@rtyrsson No I don't think rebecca is overlooking taht at all. "people who actually care" definitely includes parents. However, parenting is a skill. Sometimes parents drop the ball, though. Life doesn't come with manuals and training. School doesn't typically teach anyone how to be a parent either. Somehow society just kinda expects this to be a thing everyone can successfully pick up and execute no matter what circumstances they are in or how they were raised...
@@vampiredragon5849 Age has no factor, unless you can make a convincing argument for that. I'm now sure how you can say crime and punishment change between age 20 and 50. The same crime is committed and the same punishment is due.
@@VolundMush That is the role of grandparents, in teaching their sons and daughters to be good parents. The government has NO ROLE... ZERO in telling parents how to raise their children.
I can roughly Imagine how those teens feel. To explain I'm German and in Germany we have special prisons for underage prisoners (14-20) and I was sentenced to 3 Years for heavy assault (Schwere Körperverletzung) when i was 16 and I'm not gonna lie where prison does have its good side it gets overshadowed by the trauma I have from that experience.
Edit: I got a reduced sentence and i only spend 1.5 Years in Prison.
Just to clarify in Germany you are of age at 18 in German legal language Volljährig and an adult at 21
A slap on the wrist. Your victim have to live with it.
@@nortieroI think serving 18 months of your life for beating someone up while still a CHILD is fair tbh.
@@nortiero My "Victim" tried to force himself opon one of my female friends idk I can sleep well with it
@@yeet1248should have been ruled "nothilfe" in that case..
Either the accusing lawyer was to good, yours to bad or you did some over the top damage..which..understandable, but yeah, the courts can't okay it!
Hope you are doing well now
The last few months I was a high school teacher, I spent most of my day teaching at a juvenile facility. It was nice that we were still teaching them, but the guards still often treated them as hardened criminals, not as kids with undeveloped brains.
Perhaps they had rather more experience with them and their behaviour than others 🤨
Compared to Australian youth crimes problems, we got 14yr olds with dozens of arrests for hundreds of crimes charged but they just keep getting released back out immediately often within hours of arrests. We had a proposal to change the age of criminal responsibility to 14 couple years back, the minister in support of it believe they should not be held responsible for anything, she literally said "even if they committed murder, they probably have a good reason for it".
3 years for stealing a backup?? You get 3 years for killing someone here.
As a Canadian who works in the justice system, seeing teens steal cars, get released on paper, go back on the streets and keep stealing only to get re-released, I can tell you the US justice system works better than being soft on crime. Keeping offenders out of jail doesn't help law abiding citizens. If these people choose to break the law, they can suffer the consequences.
Watch enough Body Cam footage and you will see dozens of teens that are well beyond redemption and have no desire to rehabilitate. do we need rehabilitation programs? yes, but some are just lost causes. Most of those who end up in this situation are from broken homes in broken neighborhoods. if you want to prevent these kids from going down this path, put positive male role models in their life.
The world’s not ready for that conversation yet.
Sent to jail and put in solitary confinement at 12 years old for 10 days the first time I went to jail for smoking cigarettes. It was scary
Hey at least your lungs are fine, its not like they locked up you for 10 years.. if a kid doesn't understand that smoking isn't okay at that age with words then well.. yeah.
@@PoyoPoyomfs let the kids in with the convicted chomos for smoking
Simon, advocating for a 12yrs old who commited murder to get out is a slippery slope, same as for their crimes to not be on their files. Imagine he goes on to date your daughter and then stabs her like that 'boy' in the UK did recently. He'll be out in his 30's and parents of the girl will be visiting her at her grave. So no, I do not believe teens who commit crimes should be given easy way out, this is the consequence. Advocating they can change when they obviously didn't have support or they wouldn't end up where they are in the first place. So no. Keep the teens that want to do big crimes with the big criminals.
If you've got a kid murdering someone, something has gone very wrong in their life- mental health, neglect, abusive parents, parents modelling abusive behaviour, untreated sociopathy, the list goes on
I can't see how trying to fix that is gonna do more harm to anyone. Sure we can't bring back the dead, but we sure as hell can try and stop that 30 year old man from gaining the skills and ruthlessness to try it again when he emerges from a broken prison system
@ViewingChaos in the US atleast the urban black community celebrates crime and violence. They will actively lie to protect people who killed their freinds because the culture says any cooperation with justice is betrayal. Parents teach their kids to hate and commit acts of violence as young as 5. We've got entire families raising their kids to commit crimes and compounding generational criminal knowledge, and then their whole community will lie to protect them even after they rob them. For instance in my town we have a black juvenile that was given the "he just needs a chance" treatment at 13. Got a slap on the wrist and was let out for breaking into cars. Then he started stealing unattended cars and got sent to the "summer camp" style juvenile detention center. But he enjoyed that so much compared to his home life so when he got out he stole more cars and went on a high speed chase. So he got sent to real juvie where he made gang connections at a chop shop. So when he got out he started carjacking people. He got picked up agajn and went back, the defense argued "he just needs a chance and an education" so he got out after a few months. Now his dad got out of prison, so his dad started getting him guns and giving him targets since he knew his son wouldn't get real time and he was on parole. Now the boy was doing home invasions and armed robberies. Later he even attempted to collect on a hit out on someome and failed getting him his first attempted murder charge at 16. His Rap sheet grew to add a few aggravated batteries and another attempted murder before we caught him again at 17. He served a year before he again got out on the bleeding heart agenda. We came and testified that if he was let out he'd kill someome within the year. 3 months later he shot an innocent man with no record or gang connections that volunteers in the community 3 times infront of 70 people killing him. Everyone involved including the crowd was black. Not a single person in the crowd would come forward and say they were a witness. They were even the victims friends, they went to his funeral and looked his dad in the eye and said they weren't there and they didn't see anything. What they didn't know is we had video of the event. So now it's coming out that we know that they know. These Same people were marching for black lives matter two years ago, but clearly black lives don't matter to black people. Had he been kept in prison that man would still be alive, had his community cared for what is right and wrong that boy would have received help and support in the right direction. The simple truth is black people make up the overwhelming majority of the prison population both youth and adult because their culture is one of rot, violence, scamming and intimidation. And the situation wont get better until something is done about the culture.
So you only care about being punitive? That’s kinda weird but okay. I think the justice system should be used to make society a better place and doing what’s described in the video objectively doesn’t accomplish that. Also, so is it okay to revoke someone’s rights when we don’t like them as a society? I don’t think that’s a society I particularly want to strive for but that’s just me tho.
There have been a couple recent cases in the US where parents have been criminally charged themselves for acts committed by their children. I think once this practice gains wider use we will see a decline in juvenile offenders or at least residavism.
my first question any time i encounter youth crime is "Where are the parents?" to my mind it all starts at home. as for "systemic racism" i am not buying it.
@@Scriptorsilentum new flash white guy doesn’t believe something he personally has never encountered exists. Sounds like the onion.
I have served time in tx jails- the idea that it is "corrective" is ludicrous. if it wasn't for my martial arts training things could have been much worse.
I hope you are making a better life for yourself today. Best of luck to you.
The 90s was about fear and chaos. Law, medicine, politics, and religion were thrown into a severe panic we’re not really over.
That was mostly the 70s and the early 90s. Crime rates and other ills declined later in the 90s. The crime bill was passed just as that era was ending.
Those times are back!
Maybe you just shouldn't commit crimes... But of course: the evil society is to blame.
So glad you're covering this ❤
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
He's already wrong at 3:22. "Systematic racism" is complete nonsense. I am a Black man. I grew up in this environment. My brother was a teenager who went to prison. It wasn't because the System was "racist". No, it was because he made really stupid decisions when he was a young man. I disagree with this narrative because it makes people believe they are some victim when often times they are not.
Children learn from their surroundings. If they are surrounded by gangs, drugs and violence, that is what they learn. I have no idea what to do with a 12 year old that murders someone, but some of the blame must go to the environment they are living in.
While I do agree about not putting teen into adult prison. Saying they barely understand the world is questionable, IMO, some already smoke weeds, committed petty crime, drunk driving,....
For a father himself (and his writers are parents too) it just shows how little they understand the world today. The teens have the internet at their finger tips they know the world and with their parents guidance can understand the world correctly
@@rismarck Just because they have internet, that doesn't mean they understand the world. If anything that makes them more succeptable to misinformation and coercion. And don't kid yourself that adults understand the modern world enough to provide guidance (or even care about providing guidance).
You think weed and petty crimes means they understand the world?
@@cheretodd9949i was literally about to say exactly that.
@@rismarck
Dude, teens don’t fully comprehend the concept of death/mortality. They think it’s something that happens to other people. Logically they know that isn’t true, but they don’t understand that it is true. This is why when regimes have committed some of the worst atrocities in human history they used child/teen soldiers to do so. Because they don’t quite understand. The pieces are there, but they haven’t been clicked into place yet. We have objectively demonstrated this to be the case.
I'm stuck between feeling bad for these kids and feeling like they got what was coming to them.
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
It is a spectrum. Some kids are definitely over punished, while there are some that are receiving the punishment they deserve. And there are some kids that lie in-between.
If you learn a bit more about it you'll be outraged at the way we are treating children, most of them vulnerable to begin with.
You must be American
@Callie_FL yep
Someone that I love was incarerated at 16 and was definitely not a "super predator." I fucking hate how politicians play their stupid fucking games and the American people have to pay the price.
And victim of this person, do they simply not count 🤔
@keithrobinson5752 victim is fine and is on with their life, the punishment outweighs the crime. Do you think you're smart? 🤔
@@woodlandmac And you know this because 🤔Is a person killed by a teenager any less dead than someone killed by a forty-year-old, does the victim of a grape have less value if the grapist was a teenager rather than older. And often the victim is in the in the same age range.
@@keithrobinson5752 yeah that 40 year olds brain is fully developed
It's important to keep in mind just how frequently people in the US judicial system serve time for lesser crimes than they actually commit.
Someone gets arrested after commiting a kidnapping, false imprisonment, torture, fleeing from police, illegal possession of a firearm, possession of narcotics above X amount, battery against a police officer, reckless endangerment, attention vehicular homicide. Then the DA comes to them and says something like. Hey if you plead guilty for reckless endangerment, fleeing police, and various drug offenses and I'll drop all other charges to avoid going to trial.
The assigned attorney (rightly) informs the criminal just how lucky he is to get so many things dropped and so he gets sentenced to 5 years for what looks like (when you read his record) he was caught with drugs and ran from the cops for a bit and got captured.
Then next thing you know he gets his sentence reduced because no one wants such a non violent person doing a full 5 years for what's obviously just a little drug use and poor choices that harmed no one.
Winners in these scenarios are
DA's office cause they don't have to attend a lot of money or time going to trial and can pad their resume for election time
Defense attorney who doesn't have to waste time and money on a trial and can pad his resume for advertising purposes.
Criminal who gets off with 18 months for ruining someone's life as well as trying to kill multiple people.
Losers in these scenarios
Society at large because we taught that individual plus everyone watching how to game the system and get away with it so they can go right back out and do it again without really facing what they did.
That's the norm not the exception. I don't know what the exactly numbers are but based on my own observations and experience in multiple aspects of the criminal justice system from different angles I would say that approach is taken 92%-99% of the time
You got it backwards they way overcharge only bring it down to avoid going to trail. no way you could be naive enough to think that prosecutors are out there not charging much as legally possible and is a lot cases, way more than that. only to be foiled by those damn pubic defenders doing 20cases at once.
There’s a reason we have the highest prison population in the world and it’s not because we have the highest number of crimes not even close .
2:55 Lack of a father/ father figure, is the main cause. No father means either a very burnt out mother, drugged out mother, struggling mother, or one of the three mentioned above grandparents to old to offer help. Now there are definitely single mothers raising their kids to be a pillar of the community but for most of the time she can’t do it alone. If you’re going to pull the race card I would have thought you looked at the facts first. The tunnel vision seen in this video is alarming compared to your other videos
Blame the writer, not the host. Your point was very well said. It’s sadly accurate.
There used to be special prisons for juveniles where they finished school. Those were closed in the “80’s-“90’s to save the state money.
In some places in Canada, you can still be charged as an adult for major violent crimes as young as 12, but they have also made an effort to offer educational programs, counseling, and vocational training to inmates of all ages displaying good behavior.
Have you talked to these kids in Canada ? They don’t care … I know kids that know how to game the system the moment they get arrested
@dakidvision this is why I said SOME places do that. Others just suck as much as the USA system, aside from not being a "for profit" industry like many are in the USA.
You make me feel like I'm livin a teenage dream, Simon
The US Teenage Prison problem starts, and ends, with the parents. There is absolutely zero accountability for the parents in any case involving a teenager. If the parents were punished as well, then maybe some change could occur. Until that happens though, there will be no change to the system.
Frequently, the parents encourage their children to commit crimes, often because they know the punishment will be lighter. When you are taught that crime is good, and the police are just out to get you, these kids have little chance to grow up "normally" and become "good" adults.
While you're not wrong you are not taking into account those of us that had/have amazing parents and still turned into delinquents; my parents definitely didn't/don't deserve to be punished for anything I've done.
Then you look at the outrage when the school shooters father got locked up, from the same people screaming to have kids locked up for life or wanting death penalties carried out. While their own kids break every law in the book! Just a pack of hypocrites!
I live in TN. We now have a law where making a threat, which is up to teachers and school administrators to decide, is a felony punished by expulsion and prison time. That has NOTHING to do with parents. Kids as young as TEN are being arrested and their lives are destroyed. We're living in a police state. This is not on the parents.
but you already arrested all there dads for weed.
parent* It is always (like more than 95%) single moms.
I really dislike how this video disregards the crimes that those teenagers have committed.
I understand that some may be able to rehabilitate, but if you commit a murder at 16, I think you should get a severe punishment regardless.
And what is the point of this punishment? Or actually, any punishment for that matter?
well, he did quote 73% are in there for non-violent crimes who then get further corrupted being tried as adults for drug, theft, and other non-violent crimes. I really dislike how this comment disregards the impact and illogical sentencing of these youth who cannot make important life choices yet. Of course the violent, sadistic ones should face stiff punishment, I don't think this video is saying otherwise.
@@aunsokolov8355why should it have a point?? if you do that you are done, no one likes people who do that you don't deserve redemption at that point.. redemption is there for people who just stole a candy or at the very most money.
I mean, it is kinda hard to even respond something to a question like this. "why should it have a point?" Because literally every single thing that we do should have a point. Otherwise it is pointless and we should not do it, period. You can disagree with this all you want, but then you just sound insane for me, like you just wanna do random things because...chaos, I dunno. I asked for an explanation of why do we even have courts and punishments and all that -- because I would really want people to think about this, then ask some more questions, then _maybe_ they can realise a few important things.
But then you respind with "why should it have a point?" and I'm like "damn". I did not expect this, it is too ridiculously nonsensical. Admittedly, you also mention "redemption", so there is even more nonsense there, but nothing beats "why should it have a point?"
More media and governors need to face consequences for the child abuse they willingly cause.
There’s a cultural problem with black youths as well. The idolization of gangs or street life. The lyrics in rap bragging about getting an op or doing copious amounts of lean. We need to do better in our community’s.🤦🏾🤦🏾
Yes sir! Regardless of race, every American child deserves a proper upbringing. Fatherhood is one factor, or the lack thereof. There was a time not so long ago that despite some of the struggles the American black family was the very definition of "family values." It has been lost somehow.
@@rtyrsson one race manne, the human race. & facts🤙🏾
What direction does that go though? Do children that express interest in such culture become criminal? Or do children that are exposed to criminality/poverty become interested in such culture?
Thank you, Into the Shadows😐. A very compelling presentation video about juvenile crime and sentencing. Superb to bring these questions about society to light💯. Glad to be a fan of the channel!
Everyone forgets that a child with 103 years to serve forgets that taxes are paying for that kids incarceration.
If they are a slightly compliant, productive prisoner, then that’s 70-80 years of much cheaper incarceration with someone that can earn. If you don’t care about the person… Why not at least aim for that (& yes I’ve met kids, it’s not going to be easy)
Teens going into adult prison population are preyed upon at an alarmingly higher rate than the average prisoner
2:00 @Simon FYI: each State has their own laws and court system. minimum age for a juvenile to be tried, convicted & be sent to an adult prison is totally dependent on the State in which the crime occurred. However, multi state crimes and cases involving minor & human trafficking are automatically handled by the Federal Court. Hope this helps.
Kids in adult prison, isn't that a characteristic of third world countries?
What are third world countries?
@@AerozeyaUSA being an example of one tbh
America is a 3rd world country in many respects.
I think it needs to be mentioned here that at the same time it was determined that parents were not allowed to discipline their children. What some thought was excessive got your kids removed from the home. Another factor overlooked is the number of households that did not have a father in them. Does anyone else besides me see how that would dramatically add to the problem?
You are 100% correct... without reservation. It is a major and the primary issue. We did not see these problems to this scale in the 1950s and 1960s when intact families were the norm.
Well,that sounds like the opinion of a 75 year old INCEL lol
@@rtyrssonThat's because the harm of corporal punishment was not fully realised.
Emotionally immature adults hit children to appease their own anger.
There are numerous studies on this topic- hitting children does more harm than good
You ain't teaching them a lesson, you're just teaching them that one day when they're bigger and stronger- they're justified to do the same to you, or anyone else crossing their path
@@ViewingChaos Absolute rubbish. I imagine that these "multiple studies" were all conducted by leftist sociologist activists.
Fun fact. Violent crime has been on a steady decline since 1992. The only places bucking this trend are the easy victim zones and states with strong anti-defense laws. Even then the trend is level to slightly down in most of those.
Pretty easy to claim crime is down when you just stop reporting and prosecuting.
@@markzuckergecko621 What else would you go off of? Vibes?
@@sage1312 we would go off of actually reporting crime accurately, and prosecuting appropriately?
@@sage1312the feds changed the system used to compile these statistics leading to many cities and even a couple of states not reporting crime data. Go ahead and Google it.
@@markzuckergecko621 Explain?
I highly doubt the justice system can handle a teen that didnt know he bought a stolen moped because he was in good faith.
Compared to if they commit a murder in cold blood.
After i saw the kids for cash documentary then whow.
A harsh judge punishing a kid for something he didnt know & almost treating him like a murder...
There were some cases of judges being bribed by owners of private prisons to give teens crazy sentences to ensure, that their prisons remain full.
Yea, because it makes the private prison complex money. That's all that matters in this country.
A criminal is a criminal. Age shouldn’t be a factor in determining sentences. Justice is meant to be blind, remember?
@@darthbalgarus6986Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
@@darthbalgarus6986 except there children. children actully dont know what they doo
As far as the recidivism is concerned, correlation does not equate correlation. There is no way to definitively say that being jailed in generalnpopulation alongside other adult criminals directly leads to them.becoming repeat offenders. It is just as, if not More likely, that teenagers who are convicted criminals are simply the type of personality whom would be career criminals to start with.
Five topics to fix society via discussion:
-Anti-natalism vs Natalism
-The 3 basic needs/prenatal needs
Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
-Platinum rule
Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
-MBTI (research yours and connect with others)
-Art (pick one and get better at it!)
We can compare stats from different nations to see who has better results. If you are wondering it’s not the US. Nations that focus on rehabilitation and keep ages/level of offenders segregated have MUCH better outcomes. In fact there isn’t really great evidence that prisons actually accomplish all that much. It’s counterintuitive, but the evidence doesn’t suggest prisons are a particularly effective means of deterring crime.
The whole idea of punishment instead of rehabilitation is the problem no matter the age. The rehabilitation is part of the punishment they are still in prison. If they aren't sentenced to life why shouldn't the focus be rehabilitation or else the problem just continues.
2:00 What the hell. I thought this only applied to violent crimes.
When I was a freshman in hs, one of my classmates shot and killed another classmate of ours. At 14/14 years old, the shooter was tried as an adult. I didn't know him very well, but we did have a class together and we had several mutual friends. The victim was also on my outer social circle as we lived in the same neighborhood. After seeing everything that happened back then, I'm torn on this issue. Yes, kids do stupid stuff and when it comes to minor crimes, they shouldn't be given such harsh sentences. They're still growing and changing, and its ridiculous to throw the book at them. But when it comes to more serious crimes like murder, I think back to how the death of my classmate effected his family and my friends, how the shooter did it (shot him in the back while he was walking away), and just how awful everything was... The shooter should absolutely get a VERY harsh sentence. I still don't think that should mean life in prison, but like at least 20 to 30 years. There has to be some kind punishment for that kind of thing. No one gets to do something like that without major consequences.
Whichever writer fact checked this needs to get it together. The DOE data suggests that only 28,300 students are expelled per year in k-12 public schools and 786,600 students are suspended per year. And that is while administrators try to reduce these numbers by ignoring student misbehavior. As a public school teacher, I don't really have an answer to what we can do for these youth as we have failed them in the past, and do fail them currently. But it should not be to allow them to terrorize their neighborhood schools. That is the current state of affairs, and it has a direct link to the increases in school shootings, usually due to bullying by other students and teachers inability to remove those bullies from the classroom, or give them meaningful consequences. We have seen a surge in "school choice" for this reason, and it Is only exacerbating the inequities our students are facing. While all of that is happening, the adults who went through that system, who are now functional autonomous members of society, are criticizing a system that worked in making them good members of society, and insisting on radically changing it despite the lack of evidence for any alternative systems of education. That is not to mention the teacher attrition due to unreasonable stress from student behavior, as some of us being assaulted on a daily basis. I don't understand why people are intent on crying for these youth who have done horrible things such as killing someone, or sa crimes. Yes the backpack example was an awful overstep, but that does not mean we should let them back on the streets instead. And since we know the Juvenile Justice system is just as broken, what can we do except lock them up with other kids of the same age? Really upset at the misinformation and failure to recognize the lack of suggestions for actual reform of the system. This is subpar work at best...
Yes, the public school system is a complete failure. But decrying parents' ability to send their kids to better schools does not do a service to the students. You speak of "equity," yet that is only possible by reducing the quality of education to the lowest common denominator... which is abject failure. Then there is also the matter of many teachers more concerned with "social justice" initiatives rather than concerned that students are graduating high school and are functionally illiterate, if not entirely illiterate.
@rtyrsson public schools have never been a failure, and in fact on the whole have been highly successful. The evidence is your ability to function as an adult, and the previous generations ability to do so, as well, whereas overall this generation of students is illiterate and not prepared for adulthood. You do not need to reduce the quality of education to achieve equity either. That has never been the case in the public school system. That is proven by the current generations inability to grasp basic literacy, even though teachers are more qualified and studied than ever before. It is also not an issue of parents ability to send their child to a "better" school, the issue is allowing public funds to be used for this via vouchers and exclusive rather than inclusive programs. The public school system has become flawed by the steady chipping away of public schools funds by politicians touting school choice as an answer when it only increases the disparity in student success, and their failure to increase funding for schools, or teachers pay to meet inflation.
the law in canada says that if you are under 18 you cannot serve in an adult faculty, if if you we a violent offender who was tried as an adult, if you are under 18 you serve in juvie until you are an adult
The system destroyed my life as a teenager, and I will have vengeance one way or another.
I think they idea would be that teenagers would see this as a wake up call,learn from other peoples mistakes,and then NOT end up in prison to begin with...No one ever considered how absolutely brainless youth are.
i always ask first, "where are the parents?"
Prison should do 3 things: rehabilitate, punish and protect society
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Three things necessary for human evolution that are provided while in the womb which are; food, shelter and medical care.
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Do whatever makes one happier unless it interferes with another persons ability to do the same.
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Punish? Why punish? What does punishment accomplish? Nothing. Literally nothing.
It does deter others from committing the crime, but I'd say it falls under the third option.
Yes and if it does 2/3 (punish and protect) with current funding it has done well.
Rehabilitation is best to serve before prison. For example stay in school, stay out of gangs.
Rikers Island is not a prison, but a jail for New York City, albeit a very dangerous one. It's absolutely ridiculous that Kalief ended up there for 800 days when inmates are supposed to only be there for up to a year. Anyone sentenced to over a year usually ends up going to a state prison.
Sorry but
When you’re 20 years old, you can’t buy alcohol because you’re, “almost 21”. If you’re 30, you can’t have relationships with a 17 year old because they are, “almost 18”.
And if you commit a crime, you should not be charged as an adult because you’re, “almost 18”
That's not why.They are charged as adults,because they've committed ADULT crimes.These aren't kids scribbling in the wall downtown,these are kids selling drugs,doing drugs,stealing from people,in ways that will very much lead them to escalate their crimes if left unchecked...Every ADULT,was just a kid too.Hitler was a kid,and I'm oretty sure if he did what he did at 9 years old,you wouldn't have a different opinion on the punishment because of his age.
I agree with you to an extent but I also think it depends on the crime, the planning and the severity it is as well. It has to be a case by case scenario.
Having a denoted line with or without consequences will always allow people to abuse the system
Oversimplification of this is a dangerous path. As a 60-something, parenting these days is a joke. It all starts with the lack of parenting.
Absolutely spot on. The issues start with parenting. Unfortunately, many parents hands are tied. The line between discipline and abuse is blurred; rendering parents incapable. I have seen social services all up against a parent who was firm against his son decent to crime.
3 years for stealing a backpack without trial is a fucking joke.
Everyone is soft on crime until they're the victim of a crime.
Everyone thinks criminals have it easy until a politician puts them in an 8x8 box.
@DevinJHiggins who said criminals have it easy? It isn't supposed to be easy.
Still punishment needs to be proportional and rational
@@markzuckergecko621 Idiots like you think they have it easy. It's a critical part of Republican fearmongering doctrine.
Then you find yourself on the wrong side of the law and 'OMG!! I don't deserve this! I'm an American!'
The hypocrisy's so thick, you can cut it with a spork.
@@jonym.310 Proportional and rational are subjective. And in a justice system that's run by career bureaucrats and politicians, those don't get you elected.
Extreme sells. We're about to get another example of that for at least the next four years.
If they're still children, with children's brains, they can't be held to the standard of someone with an adult brain. It's pretty simple. I mean, 18 year olds aren't adults either. As far as brain development, adolescence doesn't end until we're 26 years old!
the brain actually never stops developing
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Developing yes, that never stops, but there are certain aspects of cognition that solidify around 20-25 years of age (it tends to be younger in females than males). This is why you can’t diagnose someone under the age of 18 with a personality disorder (and there are opinions that it should be older as some 20, 21, 22 yo have been diagnosed with a PD at those ages for them to no longer meet the criteria a few years later).
you make such a convincing argument for the death penalty thank you sir
These days going to jail is almost certainly a life sentence for any crime.
Why the MTV Crips ass Musik? I feel like my Honda civic is about to get a sick ass audio system but my breaks will be still broken
Yet another reason i would never move to America let alone have a family there. Not even going to mention the guns and healthcare. America is a broken society and is getting worse, their rule/dominance of the world is coming to an end.
If a juvenile is tried as an adult they spend part of their sentence in a juvenile dentention until they are 18.
Not in every state.
Not necessarily.
Basic psychology teaches a teenage brain can't understand the consequences of some actions.
I sometimes think the prison system in my country is too soft on crimes, but it's at least actually rehabilitating most of the juvenile & adult offenders by providing them steady chances to study, securing human rights no matter what, getting them psychological help, process trauma, get addiction counseling, ways to get out of negative/bad groups of people, schooling on how to manage finances, and their rep sheet usually isn't public info or accesible to citizins either.
This gives them a much greater chance to re-enter the workforce and start a steady life away from crime, especially for juveniles. Sure, this system isn't perfect either, but the statistics in comparison to the average US (juvi) prisoners and their paths after prison speaks volumes.
Yes... "most." Let us not forget that some people are entirely evil, chaotic, or simply too antisocial or have no moral compass to be allowed into normal society. America has had a problem since the insane asylums were closed in the 1980s. Many of our problems can be traced to this. The recidivism rate is such that we must genuinely consider that the rate of rehabilitation that is dreamed of is entirely unrealistic.
@@rtyrsson So because there are some people who can't be changed means that nothing should be tried? This is entirely illogical. Those people that can't be reformed can stay locked up. A big issue with the re-offending rate too, at least in the US is exactly *because* we don't try to actually rehabilitate people. It is entirely focused on punishment and not actually trying to get people to change their ways. Of course the reoffending rate would be higher if we exclusively try to punish people and make no efforts at all to try and help them reform.
I actually worked in a juvenile detention center before as a guard. My actual job title wasn't guard but basically that's what I was. To put it in context this was located in southern Indiana which politically I think Simon would describe the area as yee-haw. I'm not sure if it was because it was a smaller town but the detention center was split in two and depending on the crime, not age that wasn't considered, would determine which half you'd be housed in. The difference was night and day one side was more of what my superiors described as a home environment they got to wear their own clothes, watch movies, longer phone time calls, if the guards wanted to they could actually leave the facility for activities and the fire door was unlocked so if they wanted to escape they could and if that happened we were instructed to let them and inform the police who would look for them and bring them back.
The other side however was just straight up prison. We even had what was essentially solitary confinement. Since it was a small facility it wasn't a separate area it was there regular rooms and if we were full enough there would be someone else in there with them. But generally we had an extra room so usually they would end up being confined alone. The minimum length is 24hrs but there was no actual cap. The "resident", we weren't allowed to refer to them as inmates resident sounds nicer, could stay locked in there cells indefinitely. Fortunately the warden wasn't a dick and we never went over the 24hrs BUT there was nothing on the books to prevent it.
We also had a few residents get transferred to adult prison while I was there and that was usually a shit show they either walked out in silence or broke down and got dragged out by the arms.
5:10 regarding Kalief. He started several fights with other inmates and attacked guards. He was in solitary because he was violent.
He was forced to fight because he refused to run with the gangs and that usually has negative repercussions in prison.
Rikers Island is not a prison it’s a county jail. It IS infamous though, no arguing that.
Admittedly I'm not up to date with my country (Australia)'s justice system but 3 years in a supermax prison for just stealing a bag?! WTF is wrong with the US?!
The worst part of that instance was his case never even went to trial. He was held in remand for 3 years without a trial. The USA is cooked.
Rikkers isn't a supermax. It's a jail (pre trial and sentences of less than a year) it's still fucked up though
There are many things wrong here.
A lot. Basically everything. I highly recommend avoiding this country at all costs. Absolutely everything is wrong here.
Rikers Island ISN'T a supermax prison, it is NYC's main jail that was just supposed to hold him until trial or bail.
The idea of prison being a 'deterrent' and a 'punishment' is deeply flawed no matter what the age of the prisoner is.
Prisons need to focus on reform over and above anything else. If you want to deal with crime being so bad in the US, that should be the first place to look.
Unfortunately prisons make money, so the motivation for the owners is the opposite of what it should be.
Make it so prisons are charged for every prisoner that leaves their prison and then re-offends.
Thank you for this highly needed spotlight on a serious flaw in our system of criminal justice. Warmest compliments. Again, thank you, sir. :)
I can have my issues with the leniency of Scandinavian systems, but USA is unhinged in the opposite direction.
This is one of the many things wrong with our justice system. It's why I'm so insistent on reforming the justice system, because of this kind of stuff right here.
We have juvenile detention systems for a reason.
Nearly every state has various rehabilitation, counseling, GED nad vocational training programs. Teenagers are not just "left to rot".
That's just one of many incorrect claims made in this video.
Here's an idea... Here me out... Don't break the law 🤷♂️
here's an idea... Hear me out... Don't have kids unless you BOTH are prepared to raise them TOGETHER (no baby momma/baby daddy crap - actual parents together).
@Scriptorsilentum . Majority of people shouldn't be parents lol
The collateral consequences of a conviction are much longer than the sentence for that conviction itself.
I know kids do awful things. But something done at age 14 should not define an entire lifetime. Throwing kids into hellhole prisons with adults is cruel and should not be allowed.
You can't make accusations of "systemic racism" without clearly identifying what you're talking about. Simply identifying disparate outcomes is not sufficient, since different racial groups commit crime at different rates.
What I've heard about the incoming administration's plans for education, if true, is going to make this even worse.
Sure, everything is going to be worse in this administration. Toenail fungus cases will rise, meat consumption will increase, and Botswana will collapse as a nation; and it will all be the incoming admin's fault. Let's get a grip.
I would say what I want to say but this app infringes on my first amendment rights so I “can’t”
Bro maybe it's not other peoples fault. Maybe its tied to their culture and the way they raise their kids? Im tired of this being MY fault. Im willing to admit the system is broken and we need to do something about it but can we stop saying its the other guys fault all the time?
You can blame them when you've walked in their shoes 🤷
If you can't get the priviliges of adulthood until you turn 18, you shouldn't have the responsibilities and consequences of adulthood until you turn 18.
But what do we do if the penalty for their crime exceeds the time that they'll be an adult? Like a 17 year old convicted for murder, do we just put them in juvey until they turn 18 and then let them free? That's where it gets complicated.
@@markzuckergecko621 Juvenile sentences can go beyond their 18th birthday, but would be calculated using guidelines for juveniles, not for adults.
@@4ryan42 you don't have to be an adult to pull a trigger, and the families of their victims are still mourning the same, regardless of how old their victimizer was.
7:36 it's fundamentally flawed PERIOD look at Norway their 5 year recidivism rate is about 20% yours in the U.S.A IS NEARLY 80% FOR CHRIST SAKE