Classical Pianist ranks Chopin Etudes Op.10
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I finally found the answer to what’s the hardest etude: it’s whatever etude you’re currently practicing! 🙃
Because whenever I’m practicing an etude I feel like it’s the hardest
Have you played Godowsky?
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@@ValkyRiver Godowsky's studies based on the etudes are awesome. Because Chopin's ones were too easy xdd
@@paweszklarczyk2330 They're both hard, but Godowsky kicks it up to 11 most of the time. I learned his left-hand study on Op. 10 No. 3, and that was a real challenge. It was easier than it could have been because I have big hands and I'm a southpaw, but it was still VERY hard!
S tier: op10, op25
A tier: ---
B tier: ---
C tier: ---
D tier: ---
E tier: ---
F tier: this category doesn't even exist here what are you doing!
S+ Tier: Transcendental Etudes
@@hanchisun6164 S++ tier: 12 études for octopus being - some modern composer probably
@@unbornify1185 S+++ 12 etudes alkan
Agreed with everyone you said except nr 9. That one’s the easiest in Op 10 imo
waterfall >>
Hi musicalBasics
not everything is about technique
The difficulty of no.9 is in how various dynamics are balanced throughout the piece as a whole, and not just in each phrase. It is like a mystery story, building twist after twist, and each twist has to be greater than the last so that the audience really feels the final one... which, of course, is that almost bell-like ending. I've heard so many students perform this, and like Annique mentioned, there's this "fast and furious" disregard for it because it's so deceptively "easy" at a mechanical level. Similar issue as happens with the "Revolutionary." But Chopin was not hammering nails.
no it is not hard as she said
My daughter found No. 2 to be insanely difficult because it was hard to play it consistently. Some days she would breeze through it, other days her arm and hand would just cramp up halfway through. I remember watching Kate Liu play it at the Chopin competition in 2015 and her no. 2 etude was the one piece she made significant audible mistakes in both of her performances of it. Her teacher also said that you'll seldom find people performing it publicly because it's so easy to crash-and-burn.
Technically, Op10 no2 is super difficult. But Musically, it’s easy 😂
flashbacks to that one woman at the chopin competition
Yeah and the non-classical audience is like how can u mess up a simple chromatic scale
Actually op 10 no 9 is the first I learned, and the easiest in my opinion, its surprising you see it comparable to op 10 no 1.
Funny, I was going to say the same exact thing. No 9 is the only one I could come close to playing correctly.
I Think that it depends on the size of your hand, i can see why ppl with small hand size finds this etude hard...
Now this Etude is especially hard if you have small hands. In this case you can’t just fix the technique with good fingerings. You would really have to stretch your hands very far to an uncomfortable level. My hands for example, are in comparison to other pianists hands, pretty small (I can barely reach C-E). I guess the easiest out of the Etudes op. 10 that i personally played where no. 12 and no. 6. Also no. 1 was easier for me, because it’s more of a rotation movement that you can more easily achieve with practice. It’s still hard af.
@@_.chopiniscool._9595 I can also barely reach a 10th but I doesn't cost me a lot to play that :v
Juan Ferre, i agree with your opinion.
I love this video. Please do one for Op. 25!
Do you know of a simpler version of this one? I've searched, but one was really choppy and ruined the flowing nature. Is this Aeolian Harp?
@@marjoriesell8079 Aeolian Harp is Op.25 n°1, but there are 12 Etudes in this Opus, too. Op.25 n°2 and 25 n°1 are the easiest pieces of Opus 25.
Update: she did
I think there are different types of players, those racehorses with fast fingers, or those lyrical singers, or those analytical superbrains etc.. For each of them the difficulty ranking will be different, also depending on hand size or even the circumference of your fingers (I knew a professional pianist who couldn't put his fingers on the white key between two black keys, that's why he needed to play them turned laterally or outside of the black keys).
During my studies, my professor told me that Chopin etudes always go to the limits for everyone. However, after 20 years of living with them, I have now a completely different opinion: There is always one specific simple technical cell out of which every etude is made, and which is then exercised in all variances. This one cell is very physiologic, and they all help make your hand more relaxed, more balanced, and more flexible. Once you understood how to master this one cell, you'll know how to play the rest of the same etude. If you encounter bars where you think that the cell needs to be changed, it might direct you to the actual way how to play the whole etude. It is from the easy bars that you learn how to play the difficult ones, but also vice versa. For example, in Op 10no1, the bars between e-flat minor and A major seem to be tricky for every pianist, but once you know how to do them (with the original and not the alternative fingerings!), the whole etude suddenly makes more sense. For me, these 24 etudes are the holy book of hand physiology!
Could you explain how applies to Op.10 No.3?
While I generally agree, I wouldn't trivializes many the smaller difficulties found throughout the etudes. For example Op. 10 No. 1 the general theme is wide arpeggios and smooth phrasing of those arpeggios, but sometimes the pinky and the ring finger need to stretch only step, sometimes a third, sometimes a 4th! (I hate bar 11 so much even though I can stretch an 11th because that pinky stretch is just agony), and there's many moments when Chopin abandons the wide chord voicing for a little tiny run that helps to set up the hand positions for the next chord.
@@king_leo3269 I have not worked this one, only sight-read. However, I guess, the virtuoso chromatic part with the double chords in both hands uses such a cell. There are different ways to play them but when trying, it seemed to me that they were best done by using a heavy-light alternation, with the first chord under the slur heavy and the second chord light (_ v _ v _ v etc.). However, the "heavy" chord is not played with a wrist-down movement, but with a wrist-up movement into a stable bridge of the knuckles, as if showing the ring on the 4th finger to the roof. The second chord is then played like discharging the weight and completely relaxing the fingers (almost no finger activity) while letting the wrist go down to be prepared for the next "heavy" chord. Once you have felt this basic movement, you can use it in many other pieces, for example, op 25 no 3 or op 25 no 11 (the basic movement of the right hand without the rotation).
@@randomchannel-px6ho I didn't want to say it is trivial ;-). What I mean is that the same basic movement is always the key. What you describe of the changing and larger span for the 4-5 fingers is part of the variation of the basic element, however, the movement is always the same. I have large hands, I can span a C-f, but for example, in op10 no 1, the main difficulty for me was not to get stuck on the thumb, which then cramps inwards and creates tension in the whole hand. One needs to swiftly come off the thumb and get the hand moved into the air in order to play the other 3 notes. Now I play the thumb lifting the basal carpo-metacarpal up while relaxing it, in order to then concentrate on the last of the 4 16th notes as an upbeat to the accented first in the 5the finger. That upbeat 16th note is in the 3rd or 4th finger and needs to sink down into the 5th finger (actually one plays not 1-2-3-4 but rather 4-5-1-2 or _ | _ v v _ | _ v v etc. (_ = down and v = up). So you play a bow-like movement from the thumb to the 5th finger which goes clockwise when ascending and anticlockwise then descending. Honestly, this took me many trials over the years, it was always difficult before I found it. The videos of Garrick Ohlsson, Seong-Jin Cho and Ashkenazy helped me to analyze that movement. Now, after having internalized it, I can play it relaxed and with verve!
Your description of the difficulty in op10 no 1 rings true, having practiced it for over 10 years your physiological description is accurate. I have taken many different approaches to narrow down what works (i believe doing first what does not work is a necessary evolution in learning this piece), before reading your comment i have been grouping 2-4-5-1 but you suggest 4-5-1-2. I've been through all possible groupings of 4 notes before so i've been through the one you prescribe already, but i know 2-4-5-1 is an improvement to what i used to do but not the full answer yet, so i'll try 4-5-1-2 again. Going down is easier than going up the keyboard. I am doing ok all the way to the reprise where the initial Cmajor theme comes back and that is where my hand cramps up. If i let it rest only 10-15 seconds i can get to the end.
I think its better to keep everything in one channel. Multiple channels will just divide the viewership and slow the growth.
Disorganized content on a single channel can also slow growth. Consistency tends to be rewarded on TH-cam.
Absolutely wonderful insight into the required techniques and training to produce the desired keyboard performance! Always remember the feeling together with the brilliance is so difficult to master and only when your mind is in the zone can you will your hands to bring to life the performance required!
A new name for another channel....
Annie's Keys 🎹🎼🎹🎼🎹
I'm so excited ! I think that if I had to do this, I would put every etude in the top tier, each of them is so unique and incredible !
Except black keys
@@MiloMcCarthyMusic I think black keys is also pretty good…but no worries everyone has their opinions.
@@dsouzageorgejoy685 Have you played Godowsky?
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@@MiloMcCarthyMusic You again? The self claimed ‘teacher’ who says Ocean and Winter Wind are the easiest etudes without telling us you didn’t count the actual easy ones
@@arandompianist7371 sorry what
Love a video on this subject! I wrote a whole article on the topic 10 years ago when I had just learned No. 1 & 12. For me, since I am not very good at sight reading and music theory, No. 1 is by far the easiest to memorize, and I have no problem playing it endlessly today but I never seem to get through without 1+ mistakes
I really like your style to play Chopin! I am working on my first Chopin, Valse in e minor. A hard piece…
I like your video a lot ,i love Chopin, specially the preludes ,etudes, and i have to mention the nocturnes because they are so beautiful dreamy pieces , you played all 24 etudes, you are such a good pianist . I like your análisis !
The choice to give your piano a voice of its own is a funny addition and adds to your channel's uniqueness
No surprise about the No. 2, might be the hardest Chopin etude with Op. 25, No. 6
Op 25 no 11?
@@nickmgls6523 not really that hard comparatively
@@nickmgls6523 winter wind is hard but nowhere near as hard as chromatic or double thirds
@@mooshiros7053 double thirds etude is just terrifying
Great video ! Waiting for the op.25 ranking !
Would love to see your ranking of the op 25 etudes next
Much depends on speed. No. 3 and 6 become easy if you play them in the usual slow tempo, but with Chopin's metronome markings they become much harder. Especially op. 10:6 becomes extremely difficult if you try to play it at Chopin's speed, which is at least three times faster than the tempo of most recordings. For Op. 10:3, Chopin's speed is about the double.
This is amazing! It would be great if you could share your practice in Op10n2. Thank you!❤
check out Paul Barton aswell. He shared some insights on it
Op 10 n 2 is famous for its difficulty but after learning it i am not convinced it brings much reward compared to other studies. It helped me to learn to relax the thumb while fingers 3,4,5 are busy doing contortions. It puts you in control of how much torture you want to do. It's not particularly beautiful, only other pianists will recognize the accomplishment of being able to play it. It's almost more of an exercise than a musical etude.
@@ericastier1646ree. There is pieces wich sounds way more impressive than Op.10 nr.2, but is not even half as difficult to play. The normal average audience does not have a clue on how difficult Op.10 nr.2 is in comparison to other pieces. Op.10 nr.2 is about the only piece I actually regret learning as it takes many months to master, and after all that effort your rewarded with a piece which is about one and a half minute in lenght, and doesn’t sound THAT impressive. …..and a hurting rigth arm as a bonus.
Ich übe im moment die no 1.. und ich glaube ich kann sehr gut bestätigen, dass sie nicht grade die einfachste ist.. dennoch glaube ich, dass egal welche Etüde man nun spielt, sie die schwerste für einen in diesem moment ist. Wirklich sehr gutes video und sehr interessante Meinungen zu den stücken :) (deine Übungsmethoden bei der Wasserfall Etüde sind echt gold wert thx dafür)
Great video! I liked a lot!!
No.1 is my first practising song of the etude op10.
When I started to practice no.1, I thought it was the easiest one of op10 etude. However, it was very hard for me.
After watching this video, I would like to try to practice other sheets of etude op10.😂
You should name the second channel "Spill the Key" because you share true knowledge :)
11:59 I think the word you are looking for is a polymeter. Specifically at measure 9, you switch polymeters to fit 6 groups of 2 in the right hand AND 4 groups of 3 in the left hand; into one measure, but each hand playing an eighth note in every beat of the 12/8 time.
It would be nice to see one dedicated video for the Op. 10 No. 04 you know... For those who consider it S++ 😅😅🤚
I love your videos Anni!!✨❤️
I was struck by her speed on it, she cracked it good. It is one of those studies that are efficiently written for maximum effect.
I would say S tier?
'KeyTalk'? :3 so excited for this other channel
Great vid!
I like the idea of the 2nd channel , and yes if you want my opinion Piano Talk sounds interesting. It sounds like "Chopin Talk" in the Chopin competition.
It could be interesting to know your ranking in terms of favorite ones and not difficulty too ! Very instructive video by the way !
i agree 100% with this list, specially on no.4, because at 2 years of playing i was able to finish it!! so yeah it looks hard but once u try it, it gets easier and easier
nice, waitin for the Op.25 etudes
Very interesting, I did not not know many of this, thanks!!!
yes to nocturne list !! Wish you could upload a full version of op 48 no 1 🤗🤗
I learnt 24-12 as my first etude. Next I learnt 10-3. Now I'm learning 10-4 and it's a dream come true! Love the piano
24-12??
@@RSTDROi'm guessing they mean 25-12, "Ocean"
Of the ones I've played (3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11, 12) I think 5 and 12 aren't that difficult, I definitely had a bit of trouble but not to the point of being frustrated; 3 was the first I've learnt and it was fairly easy overall, even the hard part in the middle wasn't that much of a problem; 6 was ok, it's definitely hard to balance the sounds well but it doesn't have technical difficulties; 7 gave me a lot of trouble and still can't play it well, had to take a slower tempo because my right hand always sounds too forte, wasn't expecting it to be so difficult; 4 was definitely the hardest, when the left hand has the faster parts I had trouble hitting the chord with the right hand at the right moment, and the middle section was brutal to learn, the "coda" was fairly simple though; currently learning 11 and it's kind of a nightmare too but so far it's not frustrating as 7 or 4, having fairly small hands (I barely reach a 10th) definitely doesn't help, there's some arpeggios that are a real pain in the... hands I guess, I still play it at a slow tempo though so my judgement might change when I'll try to speed it up.
Marvelous!
Revolutionary etude feels like moment musicaux no 4 in some senses, of course rach's piece is much harder but it gets easier and your fingers just slide into the right place, personally that's how I feel ❤🎉
Amazing
I don't know if you can do some series (like "1 min 10 min 1 hour challenge" or analyzes and performances) with Chopin's Preludes or maybe with Liszt's Transcendental Études, what do you think?
I could also give several other examples, such as Rachmaninoff's Six Moment Musicaux; Scriabin Études; Rachmaninoff Études Tableaux; if you go further, even some videos of Beethoven's sonatas; Schubert's Impromptus; Chopin's Nocturnes; Liszt's Paganini Études (S. 141 or S. 140); Debussy's Images; Chopin's Ballades; Chopin's Scherzos...
Anyway, there are many possibilities for content and suggestions...
Have you played Godowsky?
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@@ValkyRiver No, I didn't play Godowsky (just heard about it)
@@ValkyRiver lord... godowsky, she could probably manage to tackle some of them but to be honest godowsky's arrangements are beyond difficult difficult...
Op 10 no 12 is my first etude and i think its not difficult.
Thats my mind!
But i can unterstand why many peoble say its difficult. Nice Video👍
Totally agree! Since the right hand is quite easy, after some time you can basically forget the right hand, and after a lot of practise the left hand becomes muscle memory
For me the only difficult parts are the third page and when the first theme comes back, there is a big jump for both hands
I really enjoyed the sarcastic piano...I hope we see more of this recurring character ;)
Great list! Though I haven't played all of them, personally I would put no 6 a little lower and no 5 a lot higher on the list (I can't seem to get the rhythm down)
Best intro on youtube i swear i laughed so hard
The harder the better. I have a successful bar and jazz pianist carrier behind me, thanks to these etudes.
i would love to see a tier list of all beethoven sonatas, u really should try it. that would be amazingg:))
I think you should start that new channel and do podcasts with other classical musicians. That would really be nice to listen to
the begining of No.3 is definitely harder than it sounds. Also why does nobody talk about the ending scale too no.8 it Is AMAZING!
It is very interesting when I see you are going to put new video, I always think 🤔 1, 10, 1 hr challenge or you are going to put tips or any other I love that way. Do not divide you channel. Of course I will follow you if decide to do it 😉 Saludos
Op. 10 no. 12 was the first Chopin's etude I've ever played (I was like 16 y old). And I think it's one of the easiest and most comfortable of them to play (well as U mentioned, no Chopin's etude is really easy). There are some hard fragments, I struggled the most with the right hand in bars 50-56. But other from this... I mean the left hand movement is mostly very convenient.
Well, all Chopin's etudes are awesome.
hi! how old did u start learning?
@@arrianah5080 I was 9 when I signed up to the [primary] music school.
You should try either performing or ranking Liszt's Transcendental Etudes in this format (if so it's probably going to be S.139 but seeing S.137 get some attention would be delightful)
lmao s137 is semi-impossible
I think you're severely underestimating op. 10 no. 10; there's a reason why so many competitors choose it in the international Chopin competition. It's widely considered to be one of the most difficult Chopin etudes due to how intricate the articulation is. Von Bulow even claimed that this etude represents the top of the mountain for a professional pianist to climb
I kind of agree here, plus, imagine no. 6 is the "same" degree as the torrent etude lol but the rest, pretty much I think okay.
@@miguelcardenas6468 no. 9 should also be lower; it's one of the etudes that students regularly played it in my music high school. It's also not available as an etude at Chopin competition, along with the other easy and/or short etudes
Have you heard anyone pay attention to Chopin's accents in #10?
@@Pablo-gl9dj Chiu does, he pushes it a bit to the extreme, but it's a very interesting interpretation
You should name it Soul of the keys !
Interesting video. Thanks for doing that. May I ask you what device you use to record these videos? Your piano sounds clear and nice. Do you use microphones together with a certain device? Thank you.
Im so hyped for this😍
In my opinion: ( i played half of them)
1- No.2
2- No.1
3- No.4
4- No.7
5- No.10
6-No.11
7-No.8
8-No.12
9-No.5
10-No.3
11-No.9
12-No.6
Would move 4 below 7 but other than that I agree
@@joshyman221 i played 4 but i didnt played 7 but 7 does not have a hard left hand so , it is optional i think
@@GoldenBiba well no 2 and no 7 don’t have left hands either, doesn’t make them easier :D
@@joshyman221 yes but in 2, you always plays play dissonant 2nd and u should use your 4-5 fingers very accurate, in 7 it is not like that bro
@@GoldenBiba I think, with you having not played 7, it is a bit ambitious to say it’s not hard. Having played the whole set, 4 is definitely easier than 10 and 7
I agree with all of these other than No. 1 and No. 12. For people whos right hand has more control than the left hand (a lot of people have this) the no. 12 is very hard to pull off. And the no. 1 is all just about not getting tension in your hands, the rest isnt that hard. So i would put No. 1 in between A and B, and then No. 12 in S
I love!
You are very beautiful. And Chopin is one of my favorite composers.
Totally agree with no 2. First time I tried to sight read it a little bit I thought it would be one of the easiest etudes to learn. Boy was I wrong.... It one of the hardest if not the hardest out there..
Great video as always! How about "Tips of the Keys" for the other channel?
In the black-key etude you do actually play black keys only (at least regarding to the right hand only). I found very useful the ranking according to difficulty level. Thanks ! : )
I think there is one white key for the right hand though for a chord
@@ahhhsothisishowyouchangean162yes, in some editions, at bar 66
Can you do the same thing, but with the op25?
That was so interesting, could you do it again with more chopin peaces? (not only etudes)
pieces*
I am starting to learn op. 10, no. 8! I hope, it doesn't get ranked high😅
EDIT: It's in B Tier!
I already played no. 8. For me it felt more difficult than grade B. I wish you much success for learning and mastering :)
@@martinowl2264 Have you played Godowsky?
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@@ValkyRiver Have you asked everyone if they've played Godowsky yet?
Op 10 no 1 is easy technique If you practice wide arpeggios. The only problems is getting it up to performance tempo - that comes with practice ofcourse
The first Etude is my favorite!!!!!
Hey please can you do one of these videos but for the Preludes?!
Excelente introducción, hiciste una buena actuación, podrías ser buena actriz
I saw other professional pianists ratings. All agree on number 1 and 2 to be the most difficult. But it is fun to watch you rating based on your experience. Please, go ahead having fun...)
lol years ago i tried no.5 and it took me a long long time to get the notes (not even get it musically, just being able to play the notes) and my arms would hurt after playing it through once.
And that's by far the easiest one apparently :(
nice video!!! Now, what did you say in the end lol. P.S. I loved the begginging
New Channel Suggestion: Heart of Pianism (idk if that's a word, but it sounds professional)
I feel I should mention that no 6 is meant to be played a lot faster than most people play it, and doing so makes it a lot harder technically. Although I do think it sounds better at the slower tempo.
Ballades and Scherzos next please!
I can't believe N.4 it's not on the second spot ahaha, I agree that N.2 is the hardest, but N.4 is not lower than N.1 and for sure N.9 is the easiest of them all, I think. N.3 too, it's too high in my opinion, or N.12 low etc..
couldnt agree more! but i think it depends on physiology of d finger, thats why she can put n.4 as easier than n. 1 haha
You could call it Mind of the Keys!!
currently studying op.5, man... I hate repetitive motion so much, my arms are easily gets tired for doing that kind of rotation repeatly, I'm just so confused, i feel like anything that is constantly repeating in one way always makes my life difficult.... I actually like those "musically hard" pieces, because i just feel using my brain and try to work on the color is much easier.....
Question - what chair is that? It looks super comfortable and I want one for my office space.
Excellent 🥂🥂🥂🥂🥂
Can you go into the op 10 left hand movement a little bit more? I did not quite understand and am struggling with it myself. Thanks!
Oooooh its so cool
Do one for op 25!!!
Here is my rating of Op.10 but i am not at the level of performing them except maybe the first one.
I put NL for those i have not yet learned (the two slowest ones)
Op. 10 no1 : S+ , no2 : S++, no3: B , no4 : A , no5 : C , no6 :NL , no7 : A , no8: S , no9 : NL , no 10: B , no 11: S+++ , no 12 : B
So compared to Annick, i find no8 more difficult, and no11 the hardest of all etudes (i learned all of Op 25 already btw), yes more difficult than no1 and no2. I thought that maybe there was a technical approach for it that i had not reached yet that will make it suddenly much easier but no, it's just impossibly hard (and i re-iterate that i can go through no1 and no2 in quite an acceptable way without dropping any note). It's not getting any easier but i noticed she said she used to practice it more like a guitar sound before going to a harp slower arpegiation maybe that's a key. One thing i learned for sure is how to learn difficult pieces, it's a full approach to music from all angles, fingering, sight reading, harmony, structure, musical ear, shading, and even.. recomposing, yes. I have a few tricks too that i know work that i have not seen anyone using yet.
I absolutely love this video, however, as fascinating as Chopin’s Etudes are, you should definitely rank musical pieces in general and I’m sure that would generate a larger audience too!
7:37 I was in front of my family and you did this, thanks for that awkward sound 😅
Maybe u could make rank list of op 25?
Thank you vry much for your sharing, really interesting ! Long life ;)
No 2, was the first that my piano teacher gave me, and I have small hands;)). Yes cramps that's a sure thing.
Please do Op. 25 too!
Funny how you put n9 (the one I came here for) in the S tier. Henle ranked it 6 out of 9, making it the easiest etude with respect to their standards, the reason why I felt bold enough to start studying it (but I'll admit my big hands are a big+ for this one)
¿Es posible poner los subtitulos en español?I love the channel but I feel like I'm missing things...Thanks!
Could plz you rank the nocturnes?❤
After 2 years since i started play the piano i finish to study etude op. 10 n. 9 (i have big hands)... I fount it not so difficult, just for the left hand and for the octaves during the accelerando e crescendo but not that difficult, now i started the op. 25 n. 1, long to read...
PLEASE DO OP 25
Nice video! I would love it, if you do the same with Liszt Transcendental! Although it wouldn't be that easy ;P
just form sound i like no 4 the best
Hot key sounds great!
Would you do Rachmaninoff's arrangement of Fritz Kreisler's "Liebesleid"?
If this is the heart of keys, the other channel should clearly be the sould of the keys!
Very cool! You are amazing. Could you play or do the 1 min 10 min 1 hour challenge for the piece "Liebestraum No. 3" by Liszt?
I'd be surprised if she doesn't know it considering its popularity