It’s videos like this that make me wish I’d chased my dream to drive trams when I hit 18 in 1989. Having said that, I can vicariously enjoy the role through your videos, thank you so much.
A long time friend and I, both tram fans since childhood, reckon that our time on the trams around 1990 were the best ever to be in Melbourne. At South Melbourne we had every class of tram to drive and for a few summers that included the vintage trams, now all forever locked in Hawthorn. Such a waste.
@@pilsudski36 I’m sure you enjoyed the experience. As you may have gathered, I was also a Melbourne tram driver for six years and had unofficial train driving experience with at least one Tait, at least one Harris and several Comeng Trains.
Love that you don't stop at every stop when not required. The Manchester (England) Metrolink trams stop at every single stop, no matter what, which is so frustrating when using at quiet times, it takes so long to get anywhere I just drive or even get the bus because it's quicker! It's frustrating as well because the trams are completely setup to do request based stopping, there is literally a button at every door you can press at any time between stops, the driver is alerted and those doors will open as soon as the doors are released at the next stop, and the button flashes until the next time the doors are opened. The driver could easily glance on the approach to a stop to see if anybody has requested a stop. Except they don't bother using it. I've had people suggest the reason is because it would disrupt the timetables but I can't see how it wouldn't be possible to adjust the timetables based on typical passenger demand (i.e. typical number of stops) and improve journey times. It just gets slower every year, it started as slow, and is now painful to useless.
You need to think for Melbourne more as being like buses on rails. Compared with modern light rail, stops are comparatively close together and loadings per tram comparatively light outside of peak hours. Request stops have always been a feature of Melbourne trams and in the peak hours, running times are somewhat longer than they are in the off-peak, it being expected that a percentage of stops will have no passengers. Melbourne really fails significantly as they essentially have no traffic light priority, as you may have noticed if you read the amount of time edited out during each stop. With the older Z, A and B type trams, occasionally a stop may last for only 7 seconds, and sometimes several consecutive stops are passed due to lack of demand. Conversely I live near the Gold Coast tramline (light rail) and all stops are compulsory. During the day when I ride it, even with eight trams per hour, there is always somebody waiting to get on or off or both at every stop. I don’t need to ride it late at night so I am unfamiliar with the situation then, but even then many of the stops are likely to have somebody waiting or getting off. A good percentage of passengers are tourists/beach holiday makers. So only a minute or two would be picked up in a request stop situation. Years agoI rode a tram in Berlin, the only person on board, and for quite some kilometres it stopped at every stop for no reason. There may be a case for all stops compulsory until maybe 8 or 9 pm, but I suppose some people would be carried over if they don’t normally ride at night and expected the tram to stop automatically. Unfortunately you can’t win. It’s a pity to hear that Manchester is so deadly slow. Unfortunately information like that seems never to be printed in enthusiast/professional publications.
@TonboIV Only a fool would plan to be at a tram stop at precisely the moment the tram is due. Nevertheless each route has something like seven time points after the city and Yarra gets punished if a driver leaves early, but in reality some of these time points are in places where you would choke the road traffic if you stopped at the stipulated point.
@@tressteleg1 If a tram leaves early, then it's not following a schedule. If there's going to be a schedule people can rely on, then the tram should be neither late nor early.
@@TonboIV Obviously you have never driven a tram in traffic like I have. My local Gold Coast tram service does operate quite close to the schedule but all of its track is segregated from road traffic and traffic lights give trams priority. Neither of those apply to most of Melbourne. Sometimes the timetable is too generous and it’s not always practical to amble along at 15 km/h holding up 100 cars behind you. And if you get a bad run with hostile traffic lights right turning cars all over the place, people attempting to reverse park in narrow streets like Chapel Street, Sydney Road, Lygon Street, and dozens of others, you’re going to run late and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Remember the trams in Melbourne. Used them when I was in Weekend leave from good ole Flinders Naval base. Just joined and brissy had just got rid of our trams. Loved the memories thank you
That’s also when the Belgrave and Lilydale line had busses replacing trains between Camberwell and Box Hill for the Union level crossing removal project.
Tram route of my childhood. Until 1970 this tram route had the number 7 and the changed to 72. From 1970 to 1979 it was rum by Camberwell tram depot and the changed to Malvern when the route 74, today route 75 was extened. Burke road at Gardiner Station was very narrow and a good place for a traffic jam. Sometimes when the gates for the train where down it took you over 10 minutes from the corner of Malvern road before you where over the train tracks.
The main reason the service went to Malvern was because Camber went all Z class and they probably needed the extra space for the extra trams to run the extension. And Yes, it did go from the 7 to 72. Gandiner problem solved as you have seen.
The history of travelling on the left goes back to Roman times, so it is the USA and much of Europe influence by Hitler that wanted to be different. I coped fine driving on the right in the USA, so why couldn’t you drive on the left without crashing?
Late, but when the points were manually changed was that a cab control or a switch iron(point tool?)? Trolley geek question from California. And thank you for the video.
A reasonable question in view of different terms being used even on different tramways in Australia. Melbourne has had electrically changed points for very many years and right or wrong, the the official term for these is “automatic points“. In earlier days, a sensing contactor on the overhead wire detected whether the tram driver was drawing power or coasting through that contactor. Power on generally was for the curve, coasting set the points to the straight. Nowadays, a driver turns a switch or presses a button, depending on the tram type, to set points for the curve. The radio emitting transponder under the tram permanently puts out one tone which sets points to the straight automatically. If left or right option is chosen by the driver the transponder puts out different tones. BUT if the automatic points failed to change, or the junction is little used and so no automatic function is built in, the driver has to get out with the “Point bar“ and lever the points across “manually.” There is a socket down a slot in the road where the point bar is inserted. And this is what the driver had to do for the left-hand turn towards the depot. To protect the driver’s identity, I had to leave that bit out of the video.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you. If you ever get to Northern California come out to the Western Railway Museum to ride on a vintage streetcar or interurban(shameless plug). Ask if Ted for Short is there that day.
@delurkor Well my days of overseas travel are pretty well gone now, but I did get to your museum I think in 1990 and took video there. From memory you have a cute little shunting loco maybe made from a bogie, and also a Melbourne W2. I don’t think I have even watched the video since coming home.
@@tressteleg1 Since then the museum added 22 miles of right of way and now has 5 1/2 miles under wire, with another half mile being added. The little work car,1215 is out of service due to a bad motor. The W2, 648 is going strong, but she has a tendency to derail due to narrow streetcar, sorry tram, wheels.
@@delurkor 6 miles of running track is rather impressive for a museum. Union Illinois had a reasonable run, but not that far but they could have added more in the last 30 years. Too bad about little 1215. Hopefully it can be brought back to health. Looks like 648 quickly tells you when your track is not up to standard!! Nevertheless there are complications when you have to cater for Tramway sized flanges running on railway standard track.
I have a feeling the thoughts on that vary here from state to state. That’s something you can tinker with on Google Earth when you have nothing better to do. The only road signs I could think of here are those to deter cars from entering the Gold Coast tram reservations. However they make sense either way. ONLY is reached before TRAMS, but Trams Only is just as valid as Only Trams.
Great video! Are passengers required to empty the tram at the corner of Malvern x Glenferrie Rds, or they're allowed to stay on the tram up to the depot's entrance?
This was 7:30pm Sunday evening when everyone was at home. It is a totally different story earlier any day. You will see that in a future video of the line.
Yes it was a bit of a surprise when it peeped between the buildings. Luckily the driver did not pull the sunshade down and spoil our view out the front.
You should have noticed that every so often I name the next tram stop and if you look left immediately onto the footpath, you will see a tram stop sign on a post naming the stop and giving its number. You wait there, and as the tram approaches you should put your arm out to indicate to the driver that you want to get on, and just before the tram stops look to see that all the cars are staying behind the tram and you start walking across the road towards the nearest tram door. Do it like that and there is no risk..
Yes, and generally speaking anywhere where trams run on reservation beside a road, their speed limit is not faster than the road traffic as it is believed that a faster tram would trick motorists into keeping up and thus speeding. While it may look like our driver is speeding in this video, the wide angle of the GoPro camera is likely giving a false impression.
Definitely not. The best check of any video for speed alterations is to watch people walking. Actually I did do some sped up train videos, but they were extremely obviously sped up by quite a few times and there was no doubt. The amount of speeding up is also explained at the start.
Impressed with the speed( what is it?) A real shame the NZ Govt dont want to go light rail. There were trams years ago but they were stopped and replaced with road buses
The camera may make it look a bit faster than it is, but the speed would not be much above 60km/h as they are governed to go no faster. Otherwise the lower speed limits must be followed. Unfortunately nearly every city in the English speaking world was fooled into thinking trams were better from the 1930s on until all or nearly all lines had been closed.
Goede video, mooie, luek stad, mooie route, maar er zijn verschillende nadelen: ten eerste - veel tramhaltes zijn niet gescheiden en passagiers moeten de weg op, ten tweede - tramsporen zijn niet gescheiden van de weg, auto's rijden langs de tram sporen en als er files zijn, dan zal de tram in de algemene files moeten staan. Tegelijkertijd zijn er in elke richting twee rijstroken en moet de trambaan gescheiden zijn van de autoweg zodat de tram voorrang heeft en zonder vertragingen, en de derde is het openbaar vervoer, de tram moet voorrang hebben bij stoplichten en het stoplichten moeten bij het naderen van de tram automatisch groen licht inschakelen bij de stoplichten. Ja, vaak was de rijstrook gevuld met auto's, parkeren zou verboden moeten worden in de hoofdstraat waar de tram langs rijdt, en dan is de auto's een aparte rijstrook en is het tram's een aparte rijstrook. Automobilisten moeten het openbaar vervoer, de tram, zien als een comfortabel , snel en veilig vervoersmiddel, en dan zullen automobilisten overstappen op het openbaar vervoer. ☺️🚉🇦🇺🇳🇱👍
( Goede video, mooie, LEUK😊 stad, mooie route. ) Good video, beautiful, nice city, nice route, but there are several disadvantages: first - many tram stops are not separated and passengers have to go on the road, second - tram tracks are not separated from the road, cars drive along the tram tracks and if there are traffic jams, the tram will have to be in the general traffic jams. At the same time, there are two lanes in each direction and the tram track must be separated from the motorway so that the tram has priority and without delays, and the third is public transport, the tram must have priority at traffic lights and the traffic lights must when approaching the tram automatically turns on the green light at the traffic lights. Yes, often the lane was filled with cars, parking should be banned on the main street where the tram runs along, and then the cars are a separate lane and the tram's are a separate lane. Motorists must view public transport, the tram, as a comfortable, fast and safe means of transport, and then motorists will switch to public transport.
@@openbaarvervoer.6883 To answer your most important points - there is a program to provide level boarding at all tram stops, but due to the cost, only a small number gets done each year. These are a little safer for pedestrians. Unfortunately any government attempting to remove Street parking outside of peak hours to segregate the tram lines from road traffic would be committing political suicide. With the vast majority of Australians owning and driving cars, any attempt to restrict car movement would be totally and successfully opposed. It’s not like Europe where most people live in tower blocks and cannot own a car. I have long criticised Melbourne for having no traffic light priority for trams. The best that happens is that a seven second T light in some places will be slotted in between every phase of the traffic lights, but only when the lights were going to change anyway. Lights do not see an approaching tram and often go red at the last moment. Adelaide city tracks are even worse. However Gold Coast and Canberra which never had trams before have had no trouble instituting tram priority at lights. In Melbourne the traffic light programmers apparently refuse to interrupt road traffic just because a tram comes along. Hopeless. Unfortunately Australian motorists would prefer to sit in traffic jams rather than ride public transport even when it is faster. And since Covid, most public transport modes are carrying significantly less passengers sent previously. One stand out exception is the Gold Coast tram which is now carrying 110% of pre-Covid passenger numbers. Unfortunately attitudes towards public transport in Australia are nothing like those in Europe. And that’s not going to change any time soon unfortunately.
Nou wat kan ik zeggen. Het merendeel van jouw mensen zou voor heropvoeding naar Nederland moeten worden gestuurd. Naar Amsterdam, Den Haag of Rotterdam voor één of twee maanden. Bekijk andere voorbeelden. Vooral jullie ambtenaren. Australiërs zouden andere voorbeelden van leven, leven en gemeenschap moeten zien. Steden voor mensen, voor fietsen en openbaar vervoer. En snelwegen zijn voor auto's. Well what can I say. The majority of your people should be sent to the Netherlands for re-education. To Amsterdam, The Hague or Rotterdam for one or two months. See other examples. Especially your civil servants. Australians should see other examples of life, living and community. Cities for people, for bicycles and public transport. And highways are for cars. 🇳🇱🇦🇺👨👧👩👦👩👧👪🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♀️🙋♀️🚏🚎🚌🚉🚅🚞🚞🚞🚞
Ik hoop dat het Australische volk in de nabije toekomst van gedachten zal veranderen en prioriteit zal geven aan het openbaar vervoer. I hope that in the near future the Australian folk will change their minds and prioritize public transport. 😘🇦🇺👍🚏
@@GoldM4official Yes in this case, being a service to the depot, technically it is Route 79d. . Altered services, ones terminating short of the destination or going via an abnormal route would be, in this case, 79a
The days when a worker could take you into his tram depot are long gone to the point of paranoia by management these days. The driver could be in a lot of trouble if he took me into the depot or they spotted my camera.
@@tressteleg1 Oh! You are not a driver. Much more understandable then. Thank you for this footage. Oh well. It is what is is. Thank you for this recording from this view 🙂
I was a driver around 1990 but not since then. As for getting into the depot, sometime later I will do the tram 16 to Moreland and we go to the end of the outside tracks beside Brunswick shed.
Things are much tighter these days, and if some depot boss saw me or even the camera coming out of the shed, some difficult questions would be asked. That would be the end of videos with the help of that driver. However in due course you will see the tracks beside Brunswick shed, reversing point for Moreland trams.
@@tressteleg1 Ah… sorry about the angry face. Great to see the Melbourne trams, thank you for the video. 🤣 just struck me that it was a long watch and then finished just at the turn into the depot. Don’t know why operators are so shy of letting us see their tram depots….
@@michaels640 Largely it is a paranoia throughout businesses these days. When I was on the job, there were no depot gates and possibly nobody on duty anywhere, certainly no Office staff. Before that when I was sly driving a scrubber car, its official driver thought that 10 W was running a bit slow so he took it to a depot, Glenhuntley I think maybe around 3 am and helped himself to some oil to put in some bearing cups on the truck. There was nobody there to speak to us. Sometime after that, I think it was that depot where somebody came in and cut a particular wire on many Ws which totally disabled them until repaired. Precautions taken then have just got out of control.
Why almost nobody is boarding and why are there so less other public transport vehicles? Not even during the pandemic I have seen so empty transportation. In my hometown, even in the middle of the night there are passengers on almost every stop.
Around 7:30 pm on Sunday night, nearly everybody is at home having dinner. Take a look another time during the day and there will be people in cars everywhere.
@@tressteleg1 comparing to the ridership in my hometown, you can feel the sadness though ;) Having a seat is like winning the lottery at any time... And we have only 10 % of the inhabitants of Melbourne and the trains are going all night long... Cruising through almost every station without boarding of passengers would not be able... Cancel Reply
@@SANVgmxDE You don’t say where your hometown is, but obviously it is out of Australia. It’s totally ridiculous to compare the travel patterns of one country with another. I have travelled to a number of parts of the world, and they all have different ideas about living. The biggest contrast is those places which have a midday siesta and people travel home for lunch, return to work late afternoon and work into the evening. Anything like that is totally irrelevant to Australia.
It’s videos like this that make me wish I’d chased my dream to drive trams when I hit 18 in 1989. Having said that, I can vicariously enjoy the role through your videos, thank you so much.
A long time friend and I, both tram fans since childhood, reckon that our time on the trams around 1990 were the best ever to be in Melbourne. At South Melbourne we had every class of tram to drive and for a few summers that included the vintage trams, now all forever locked in Hawthorn. Such a waste.
I drove trams and Metro trains - and it's not a "dream."
@@pilsudski36 I’m sure you enjoyed the experience. As you may have gathered, I was also a Melbourne tram driver for six years and had unofficial train driving experience with at least one Tait, at least one Harris and several Comeng Trains.
My old stomping ground. Left there 45 years ago! It looks great, thank you.
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Love that you don't stop at every stop when not required. The Manchester (England) Metrolink trams stop at every single stop, no matter what, which is so frustrating when using at quiet times, it takes so long to get anywhere I just drive or even get the bus because it's quicker! It's frustrating as well because the trams are completely setup to do request based stopping, there is literally a button at every door you can press at any time between stops, the driver is alerted and those doors will open as soon as the doors are released at the next stop, and the button flashes until the next time the doors are opened. The driver could easily glance on the approach to a stop to see if anybody has requested a stop. Except they don't bother using it.
I've had people suggest the reason is because it would disrupt the timetables but I can't see how it wouldn't be possible to adjust the timetables based on typical passenger demand (i.e. typical number of stops) and improve journey times. It just gets slower every year, it started as slow, and is now painful to useless.
You need to think for Melbourne more as being like buses on rails. Compared with modern light rail, stops are comparatively close together and loadings per tram comparatively light outside of peak hours. Request stops have always been a feature of Melbourne trams and in the peak hours, running times are somewhat longer than they are in the off-peak, it being expected that a percentage of stops will have no passengers. Melbourne really fails significantly as they essentially have no traffic light priority, as you may have noticed if you read the amount of time edited out during each stop. With the older Z, A and B type trams, occasionally a stop may last for only 7 seconds, and sometimes several consecutive stops are passed due to lack of demand. Conversely I live near the Gold Coast tramline (light rail) and all stops are compulsory. During the day when I ride it, even with eight trams per hour, there is always somebody waiting to get on or off or both at every stop. I don’t need to ride it late at night so I am unfamiliar with the situation then, but even then many of the stops are likely to have somebody waiting or getting off. A good percentage of passengers are tourists/beach holiday makers. So only a minute or two would be picked up in a request stop situation. Years agoI rode a tram in Berlin, the only person on board, and for quite some kilometres it stopped at every stop for no reason. There may be a case for all stops compulsory until maybe 8 or 9 pm, but I suppose some people would be carried over if they don’t normally ride at night and expected the tram to stop automatically. Unfortunately you can’t win. It’s a pity to hear that Manchester is so deadly slow. Unfortunately information like that seems never to be printed in enthusiast/professional publications.
If the tram reaches stops ahead of schedule, then the people who show up on time to catch it will miss their rides.
@TonboIV Only a fool would plan to be at a tram stop at precisely the moment the tram is due. Nevertheless each route has something like seven time points after the city and Yarra gets punished if a driver leaves early, but in reality some of these time points are in places where you would choke the road traffic if you stopped at the stipulated point.
@@tressteleg1 If a tram leaves early, then it's not following a schedule. If there's going to be a schedule people can rely on, then the tram should be neither late nor early.
@@TonboIV Obviously you have never driven a tram in traffic like I have. My local Gold Coast tram service does operate quite close to the schedule but all of its track is segregated from road traffic and traffic lights give trams priority. Neither of those apply to most of Melbourne. Sometimes the timetable is too generous and it’s not always practical to amble along at 15 km/h holding up 100 cars behind you. And if you get a bad run with hostile traffic lights right turning cars all over the place, people attempting to reverse park in narrow streets like Chapel Street, Sydney Road, Lygon Street, and dozens of others, you’re going to run late and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Remember the trams in Melbourne. Used them when I was in Weekend leave from good ole Flinders Naval base. Just joined and brissy had just got rid of our trams. Loved the memories thank you
Maybe you will like this one too: Brisbane Trams 1965 to 1969. Silent Movie. Digital Remake.
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That’s also when the Belgrave and Lilydale line had busses replacing trains between Camberwell and Box Hill for the Union level crossing removal project.
Yes you can see a bus when coming down to Camberwell station.
Tram route of my childhood. Until 1970 this tram route had the number 7 and the changed to 72. From 1970 to 1979 it was rum by Camberwell tram depot and the changed to Malvern when the route 74, today route 75 was extened.
Burke road at Gardiner Station was very narrow and a good place for a traffic jam. Sometimes when the gates for the train where down it took you over 10 minutes from the corner of Malvern road before you where over the train tracks.
The main reason the service went to Malvern was because Camber went all Z class and they probably needed the extra space for the extra trams to run the extension. And Yes, it did go from the 7 to 72. Gandiner problem solved as you have seen.
Great video. It baffles me when traffic is not driving to the right. LOL. I'd be scared driving there .
The history of travelling on the left goes back to Roman times, so it is the USA and much of Europe influence by Hitler that wanted to be different. I coped fine driving on the right in the USA, so why couldn’t you drive on the left without crashing?
Late, but when the points were manually changed was that a cab control or a switch iron(point tool?)? Trolley geek question from California. And thank you for the video.
A reasonable question in view of different terms being used even on different tramways in Australia. Melbourne has had electrically changed points for very many years and right or wrong, the the official term for these is “automatic points“. In earlier days, a sensing contactor on the overhead wire detected whether the tram driver was drawing power or coasting through that contactor. Power on generally was for the curve, coasting set the points to the straight. Nowadays, a driver turns a switch or presses a button, depending on the tram type, to set points for the curve. The radio emitting transponder under the tram permanently puts out one tone which sets points to the straight automatically. If left or right option is chosen by the driver the transponder puts out different tones. BUT if the automatic points failed to change, or the junction is little used and so no automatic function is built in, the driver has to get out with the “Point bar“ and lever the points across “manually.” There is a socket down a slot in the road where the point bar is inserted. And this is what the driver had to do for the left-hand turn towards the depot. To protect the driver’s identity, I had to leave that bit out of the video.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you. If you ever get to Northern California come out to the Western Railway Museum to ride on a vintage streetcar or interurban(shameless plug). Ask if Ted for Short is there that day.
@delurkor Well my days of overseas travel are pretty well gone now, but I did get to your museum I think in 1990 and took video there. From memory you have a cute little shunting loco maybe made from a bogie, and also a Melbourne W2. I don’t think I have even watched the video since coming home.
@@tressteleg1 Since then the museum added 22 miles of right of way and now has 5 1/2 miles under wire, with another half mile being added. The little work car,1215 is out of service due to a bad motor. The W2, 648 is going strong, but she has a tendency to derail due to narrow streetcar, sorry tram, wheels.
@@delurkor 6 miles of running track is rather impressive for a museum. Union Illinois had a reasonable run, but not that far but they could have added more in the last 30 years. Too bad about little 1215. Hopefully it can be brought back to health. Looks like 648 quickly tells you when your track is not up to standard!! Nevertheless there are complications when you have to cater for Tramway sized flanges running on railway standard track.
Excellent video, it was a great journey to experience.
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Aussie road markings are weird - here in New Zealand, the words are arranged in the order you encounter them.
I have a feeling the thoughts on that vary here from state to state. That’s something you can tinker with on Google Earth when you have nothing better to do. The only road signs I could think of here are those to deter cars from entering the Gold Coast tram reservations. However they make sense either way. ONLY is reached before TRAMS, but Trams Only is just as valid as Only Trams.
8:20 how fast was you going
Well I was a passenger, but Melbourne trams are governed to between 60 and 65 km/h so would have been near that.
@@tressteleg1 it would be close to 65km/h
@@claytonbarrow7317 Probably somewhere near that, but the wide angle of this camera lens tends to make things look faster than they might really be.
Great video! Are passengers required to empty the tram at the corner of Malvern x Glenferrie Rds, or they're allowed to stay on the tram up to the depot's entrance?
😊👍. I don’t know if passengers were required to get off at the corner as I think everybody had got off before then.
メルボルンの街並みは閑静ででとても良いですね。
This was 7:30pm Sunday evening when everyone was at home. It is a totally different story earlier any day. You will see that in a future video of the line.
great view of the sun at 10:41
Yes it was a bit of a surprise when it peeped between the buildings. Luckily the driver did not pull the sunshade down and spoil our view out the front.
Where does one stand to catch a tram. There is a strip of paint on the road. Is that where one risks their life before hailing a tram?
You should have noticed that every so often I name the next tram stop and if you look left immediately onto the footpath, you will see a tram stop sign on a post naming the stop and giving its number. You wait there, and as the tram approaches you should put your arm out to indicate to the driver that you want to get on, and just before the tram stops look to see that all the cars are staying behind the tram and you start walking across the road towards the nearest tram door. Do it like that and there is no risk..
Is the speed limit for trams when on roads with shared running the same as the posted speed for cars?
Yes, and generally speaking anywhere where trams run on reservation beside a road, their speed limit is not faster than the road traffic as it is believed that a faster tram would trick motorists into keeping up and thus speeding. While it may look like our driver is speeding in this video, the wide angle of the GoPro camera is likely giving a false impression.
Are your videos sped up at all?
Definitely not. The best check of any video for speed alterations is to watch people walking. Actually I did do some sped up train videos, but they were extremely obviously sped up by quite a few times and there was no doubt. The amount of speeding up is also explained at the start.
Very nice to drive with you in Melbourne
Actually my friend is the driver. I’m just the video editor. But Thanks, I will send your response on to him.
@@tressteleg1 Thank you very much.
Running in the tram. Thanks tresstleg1👌💚💚
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Impressed with the speed( what is it?) A real shame the NZ Govt dont want to go light rail. There were trams years ago but they were stopped and replaced with road buses
The camera may make it look a bit faster than it is, but the speed would not be much above 60km/h as they are governed to go no faster. Otherwise the lower speed limits must be followed. Unfortunately nearly every city in the English speaking world was fooled into thinking trams were better from the 1930s on until all or nearly all lines had been closed.
Do you have any videos that a tram goes fast
That video is about the best. I expect that 60 would have been reached at times.
can you tell me where comes from this ?
Where what comes from?
Goede video, mooie, luek stad, mooie route, maar er zijn verschillende nadelen: ten eerste - veel tramhaltes zijn niet gescheiden en passagiers moeten de weg op, ten tweede - tramsporen zijn niet gescheiden van de weg, auto's rijden langs de tram sporen en als er files zijn, dan zal de tram in de algemene files moeten staan. Tegelijkertijd zijn er in elke richting twee rijstroken en moet de trambaan gescheiden zijn van de autoweg zodat de tram voorrang heeft en zonder vertragingen, en de derde is het openbaar vervoer, de tram moet voorrang hebben bij stoplichten en het stoplichten moeten bij het naderen van de tram automatisch groen licht inschakelen bij de stoplichten.
Ja, vaak was de rijstrook gevuld met auto's, parkeren zou verboden moeten worden in de hoofdstraat waar de tram langs rijdt, en dan is de auto's een aparte rijstrook en is het tram's een aparte rijstrook. Automobilisten moeten het openbaar vervoer, de tram, zien als een comfortabel , snel en veilig vervoersmiddel, en dan zullen automobilisten overstappen op het openbaar vervoer. ☺️🚉🇦🇺🇳🇱👍
( Goede video, mooie, LEUK😊 stad, mooie route. )
Good video, beautiful, nice city, nice route, but there are several disadvantages: first - many tram stops are not separated and passengers have to go on the road, second - tram tracks are not separated from the road, cars drive along the tram tracks and if there are traffic jams, the tram will have to be in the general traffic jams. At the same time, there are two lanes in each direction and the tram track must be separated from the motorway so that the tram has priority and without delays, and the third is public transport, the tram must have priority at traffic lights and the traffic lights must when approaching the tram automatically turns on the green light at the traffic lights.
Yes, often the lane was filled with cars, parking should be banned on the main street where the tram runs along, and then the cars are a separate lane and the tram's are a separate lane. Motorists must view public transport, the tram, as a comfortable, fast and safe means of transport, and then motorists will switch to public transport.
@@openbaarvervoer.6883 To answer your most important points - there is a program to provide level boarding at all tram stops, but due to the cost, only a small number gets done each year. These are a little safer for pedestrians. Unfortunately any government attempting to remove Street parking outside of peak hours to segregate the tram lines from road traffic would be committing political suicide. With the vast majority of Australians owning and driving cars, any attempt to restrict car movement would be totally and successfully opposed. It’s not like Europe where most people live in tower blocks and cannot own a car. I have long criticised Melbourne for having no traffic light priority for trams. The best that happens is that a seven second T light in some places will be slotted in between every phase of the traffic lights, but only when the lights were going to change anyway. Lights do not see an approaching tram and often go red at the last moment. Adelaide city tracks are even worse. However Gold Coast and Canberra which never had trams before have had no trouble instituting tram priority at lights. In Melbourne the traffic light programmers apparently refuse to interrupt road traffic just because a tram comes along. Hopeless.
Unfortunately Australian motorists would prefer to sit in traffic jams rather than ride public transport even when it is faster. And since Covid, most public transport modes are carrying significantly less passengers sent previously. One stand out exception is the Gold Coast tram which is now carrying 110% of pre-Covid passenger numbers.
Unfortunately attitudes towards public transport in Australia are nothing like those in Europe. And that’s not going to change any time soon unfortunately.
Nou wat kan ik zeggen. Het merendeel van jouw mensen zou voor heropvoeding naar Nederland moeten worden gestuurd. Naar Amsterdam, Den Haag of Rotterdam voor één of twee maanden. Bekijk andere voorbeelden. Vooral jullie ambtenaren. Australiërs zouden andere voorbeelden van leven, leven en gemeenschap moeten zien. Steden voor mensen, voor fietsen en openbaar vervoer. En snelwegen zijn voor auto's.
Well what can I say. The majority of your people should be sent to the Netherlands for re-education. To Amsterdam, The Hague or Rotterdam for one or two months. See other examples. Especially your civil servants. Australians should see other examples of life, living and community. Cities for people, for bicycles and public transport. And highways are for cars. 🇳🇱🇦🇺👨👧👩👦👩👧👪🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♀️🙋♀️🚏🚎🚌🚉🚅🚞🚞🚞🚞
Ik hoop dat het Australische volk in de nabije toekomst van gedachten zal veranderen en prioriteit zal geven aan het openbaar vervoer.
I hope that in the near future the Australian folk will change their minds and prioritize public transport. 😘🇦🇺👍🚏
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6:32 really fast tram 👍
The tram went like 50 to 60
Is it though
60, the maximum, is not often reached for a variety of reasons.
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@@civities 😊
Z3 tram?
Has to be. It was a not a Combino, and Malvern has no other classes.
Excuse my ignorance, but where is this?
Melbourne. I will add that to the title.
Very good one today i got two Advertisements on the video today hope helped with your Donations to the charities.
Unfortunately each view only earns about 1/4 cent. TH-cam is not real generous. Total is about $10 per day on a good month.
@@tressteleg1 Every little helps
@jdcreswell440 Yes, emphasis on the little. At least this month so far it’s averaging $10 per day, some months it falls maybe $40 short.
Mum and Dad married in that Church in 1955.
Lucky you! 😊
What does "running in" mean in this context?
Running (the tram) Into the depot.
@@tressteleg1so is it like d routes? (Example: 19d)
@@GoldM4official Yes in this case, being a service to the depot, technically it is Route 79d. . Altered services, ones terminating short of the destination or going via an abnormal route would be, in this case, 79a
I love eating at the place on the right at 4:12
Did watching this make you feel hungry? Ha ha?
@@tressteleg1nah mate, but I do love the food
I might go there tmr
@@TheUnlabeledXtrapolis Tell the owner why you are there, ha ha!
He always knows when we come
So sad it ends before the enterance...
The days when a worker could take you into his tram depot are long gone to the point of paranoia by management these days. The driver could be in a lot of trouble if he took me into the depot or they spotted my camera.
@@tressteleg1 Oh! You are not a driver. Much more understandable then. Thank you for this footage.
Oh well. It is what is is. Thank you for this recording from this view 🙂
I was a driver around 1990 but not since then. As for getting into the depot, sometime later I will do the tram 16 to Moreland and we go to the end of the outside tracks beside Brunswick shed.
@@tressteleg1 🤩🤩. I'll be waiting
Streetcars? Trolleys?🤔😀
The Americans use both those words, the rest of the English speaking world just calls them trams.
Well! Watched all that time… then didn’t get to go into the depot!! 😡
Things are much tighter these days, and if some depot boss saw me or even the camera coming out of the shed, some difficult questions would be asked. That would be the end of videos with the help of that driver. However in due course you will see the tracks beside Brunswick shed, reversing point for Moreland trams.
@@tressteleg1 Ah… sorry about the angry face. Great to see the Melbourne trams, thank you for the video. 🤣 just struck me that it was a long watch and then finished just at the turn into the depot. Don’t know why operators are so shy of letting us see their tram depots….
@@michaels640 Largely it is a paranoia throughout businesses these days. When I was on the job, there were no depot gates and possibly nobody on duty anywhere, certainly no Office staff. Before that when I was sly driving a scrubber car, its official driver thought that 10 W was running a bit slow so he took it to a depot, Glenhuntley I think maybe around 3 am and helped himself to some oil to put in some bearing cups on the truck. There was nobody there to speak to us. Sometime after that, I think it was that depot where somebody came in and cut a particular wire on many Ws which totally disabled them until repaired. Precautions taken then have just got out of control.
Why almost nobody is boarding and why are there so less other public transport vehicles? Not even during the pandemic I have seen so empty transportation. In my hometown, even in the middle of the night there are passengers on almost every stop.
Around 7:30 pm on Sunday night, nearly everybody is at home having dinner. Take a look another time during the day and there will be people in cars everywhere.
@@tressteleg1 thanks for the explanation. But truely sad, too.
Not sad at all, Just Melbourne on a Sunday evening. Normal. and this ride is around an hour from the city centre. @@SANVgmxDE
@@tressteleg1 comparing to the ridership in my hometown, you can feel the sadness though ;) Having a seat is like winning the lottery at any time... And we have only 10 % of the inhabitants of Melbourne and the trains are going all night long... Cruising through almost every station without boarding of passengers would not be able...
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@@SANVgmxDE You don’t say where your hometown is, but obviously it is out of Australia. It’s totally ridiculous to compare the travel patterns of one country with another. I have travelled to a number of parts of the world, and they all have different ideas about living. The biggest contrast is those places which have a midday siesta and people travel home for lunch, return to work late afternoon and work into the evening. Anything like that is totally irrelevant to Australia.
Ohhhh Sooo if we Get rid if thoes cars... Lolz
Ain’t gonna happen any time soon. This was a quiet Sunday evening. Just imagine what it is like at busy times!