@@pensinseo7745 he wasn't actively making the deal. Rayvis's allegiance was forged while Dagan was still roaming around and Rayvis's species, Gen'Dai, live much longer than humans. Rayvis knew Dagan would return and built up his army for when the time was right.
Why is Dagan so obsessed with Tanalorr? I get it for Cal and Bode but, Dagan? There is no reason to hide away on that planet. It's literally the peak of the jedi?
@Lazerr Also if you listen to Rayvis before his final fight with Cal. He explains Dagan earned his loyalty by defeating him in combat 200 years ago. In the scenes where Cal flashes back and witnesses Dagan and Santari discussing Tanalor you see at the end the ships appearing and coming for Tanalorr. This is Rayvis and those he commands. Dagan defeats him in one on one combat presumably and earns his loyalty. However the Jedi refuse to help Dagan on Tanalor and he and his new ally Rayvis turn the attack onto the Jedi killing a good number before are both imprisoned. Dagan in his tank and Rayvis somewhere else. He mentions to Cal the Jedi dishonoured him after they defeated him and left him to rot rather than give him a warriors death. He says that he was freed after the downfall of the Jedi order and then came to Koboh if he wasn’t already there looking for Dagan. The Bedlam Raiders were already operating here and Rayvis challenged their commander resulting in a sort of Raiders civil war that he won and then continued to search for Dagan for a couple of years and then one day bumps into Cal Kestis outside the Saloon…
People really thought he grew his arm back? I thought it was pretty obvious it was just a phantom limb projected through the force. It's amazing how people are so ready to over think something in Star Wars that has a pretty simple answer.
I mean also let be honest… YTERS have to make content for videos so. Plus Vader and Luke have been using the force with no limbs. And Kreia used telekinesis on lightsabers when I was a kid when I first discovered KOTOR 2.
@@hectorle3784 well yeah, but he’s using the force as if there was a limb there, IE a phantom limb, phantom meaning not there but still present in a way
I think it was an elegant way to portray the stupid proposition of just dueling with force-levitated lightsabers now all I can think of is Jack Black as Greivous
But that second lightsaber actually deals damage, so no, not really an hallucination, but sheer force power making it possible to wield that second blade
It happens in Fallen Order as well, when Cal cuts off the ninth sisters hand she continues to use the force with that arm and lifts her lightsaber. You don't need to be able ti physically do something to wield the force.
@@stevenlanzarotta9576 Because a lot of people that do it, either didn't pay attention when watching the Movies, or have literally no idea about the Universe and just jumped in with the "hey this game looks cool."
@@stevenlanzarotta9576 tbh, I didn't like that Gera's force arm was too fancy/flashy. I wanted his saber to simply levitate, like a darth vader would do if he didn't have any arms.
It's not like Dagan's force power is breaking any established lore, and from my observation, he is merely using telekinesis to move his second lightsaber. Furthermore, we've seen this similar force power before, such as Kreia (Darth Traya) from Knights of the old Republic II: The Sith Lords, who was skilled at telekinetic lightsaber combat by controlling them with her mind. Therefore it's most definitely within an already established lore of the force power.
And being able to use the force with a limb that isn't there isn't exactly unheard of after all. We just usually only see it when they gain a robotic arm so we never really think about it too much.
Well, this isn’t the first time we’ve seen characters use the force to control multiple lightsabers. Like Darth Traya from KotOR. She used 3 sabers all controlled with the force.
None of this stuff is new, no offense but when people see this stuff they flip out like it hasn’t been around. Vader and Luke have been using the force with missing limbs lmao.
Sometimes fandom getting confused about such small things really makes me question a lot of things about misinterpretations in Star Wars lore. Also Vader kinda always uses phantom force lims, for choke, push, pull, etc since, duh, he has no actual limbs. Force can manifest as long as you can, lets just say believe it, and concentrate yourself enough. Of course you can't just "believe" and pull a star destroyer from orbit, but as long as you can believe of you wielding with a missing arm - you will.
@@dustinakadustinn this one, well actually on a lot of things, I blame it on this age of short attention spans. It’s literally explained right after the fight ends, but because ppl’s attention spans are so short, they miss key things like Cal explaining it was all an illusion.
"Of course you can't just "believe" and pull a star destroyer from orbit..." Doesn´t Starkiller literally do that in Force Unleashed? I mean, the games aren´t canon, buuut... :D
@@johnyshadow He does. But because the Games do break the Canon Continuity in major ways, a lot of people agree that it essentially isn't possible to do.
@@Coonazz791 I wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of people who have completed the story also skipped all the cinematics. It's a very common behaviour.
I don't even know how having a Force limb would be lore-breaking; I mean, even in the Legends material, the Force can be used to perform incredible feats (and in canon, at least there is Time Travel with the Force.)
that's a good point that the arm is just part of the hallucination. I caught on quickly that the arm was just the force but then remembered thinking "well if its just the force then its not any different from when he was levitating the saber in the last fight"
I think the best way to explain it is that from the second fight with Dagan, he actually has his force "arm" since it was strange that he could effectively dualwield a double lightsaber already. So I theorised that Cal throughout the game as he gains and improves his force abilities, including dabbling in the dark side allowed him to sort of open his "third eye" if you will from which he could see what Dagan sees. This is a pretty strong theory, in my opinion, because at the end of the fight, Cal was able to use the force for the first time to create an illusion in order to deceive Dagan. I think the ability to create illusions ties heavily into the dark side, considering Dagan already switched to the dark side and got powerful very early.
@YEY0806 I guess it could be real, but his Saber goes through every configuration except having a side blaster. And Cal leaves a single Saber on his chest when he dies. I'd have to check again, but I'm not sure it had a second emitter then.
I certainly didn't think it was a physical arm. If Luke can project himself across the galaxy a Jedi might be able to exhibit a Force Arm. I loved how Cal's rare ability to sense echoes slowly evolved in Survivor. Sometimes rather than just a sense/hearing, we start to see him able to generate a virtual [Force] scene. When he finally got what Dagan was doing and used it to create a vision of Dagan's lover, I knew he had achieved a breakthrough.
We also see something done like this by the Ninth Sister when Cal cut her hand off during their duel on Kashyyyk back in Fallen Order. She was able to lift her lightsaber up with her stump hand.
There's also been many examples in Legends of jedi and sith using the force to wield multiple lightsabers telekinetically and a few names have actually built their entire combat style off of the use of force telekinesis
While the force use to double for his lost arm is fine, I would have thought that, with his droid army, they'd give him a droid arm. He must have had some droid engineer in his gang and prosthetics were well known at that time.
Be being a huge star Wars buff honestly I interpret the Force as your imagination and your mental state. Which in the game and Luke in the empire strikes back how Luke couldn't see himself pulling the x wing out of the the swampy lake. It make sense because the Force can project things and and show us as we think of them. To quote Obi-Wan, "Your eyes can't see if you don't trust them" while Luke has the helmet on while training on the millennium falcon
You don't need arms to use the force. Luke does it on Dagobah while doing a handstand, Vader force chokes a dude without moving his arms in ESB, he does it somewhat against Luke in ESB, then goes to make is lightsaber more the conduit instead). Also if Luke can project his entire body across the galaxy using the Force, I'd say Dagan can Force Project an Arm.
@@tvrkm6897 Whether you like them or not doesn't stop them from being canon. Besides Vader does this very thing in a force vision essentially as well in a comic. It was a thing in Legends as well in certain stories. It's not like its new.
The technique is called telekinetic light saber combat,which can be applied to any form or style of lightsaber combat. The other techniques he was using were Force Illusion, and Dun Moch.
He wanted to use it as a fortress to build the Raiders into an army, and to create a new Jedi Order in his own image. Once this was done, he would strike back into the galaxy and overthrow the Empire.
This game is absolutely beautiful! Am going to do a playthrough +. Also I haven't been around a while and now am gonna stick around a lot more! Looking forward for any Mass effect news also 😊
Remember,hes not only very experienced hes also from the golden age of the Republic so his proficiency in the force and usage is more advanced so its not out of the norm for him to use the force to replace his arm even if it is a illusion or foece construct.
People have used the Force with their phantom limbs before in Star Wars media, including the Ninth Sister fight in Fallen Order. The issue with Dagan's arm is that we don't know if anyone in-game sees it. Everything regarding the Force and interactions with the Force in the Jedi games have been indicated to the player with a blue highlight. I'm sure Cal isn't seeing a pillar glow blue because he can use the Force on it. We don't know if this is an actual ability Dagan is using, or if it's just a representation of how he's using the Force, to show the player.
This is exactly how I interpreted it. We the audience see the limb because the game designers wanted us to see what was happening. Cal likely never even saw the limb the whole time. Or perhaps Dagan projected the illusion during the final confrontation and Cal did see the phantom limb. I’m just gonna stop thinking about it lol
Its just there to show the player that Dagan is swinging his other lightsaber with the force. He's such an adept duelist, he doesn't need an arm to use his lightsaber. like how cartoons "show" invisible people to the viewer by making them transparent.
In my own Personal opinion. We have sawn force users Do Tricks without moving a muscle, mostly they do it becuase it help with focusing. And for dagan, He lost his arm just moments befor He was put in the bacta tank, if He was sleeping for most of the time, bis movement with his upper body just might be out of habbit because He is used to Do it with his right arm
His arm wasn't a hallucination. He has no reason to show that to other people. Yes, he was using a phantom limb technique to hold his lightsaber, but there was nothing visible there. Cal can see it because it is a force memory.
This seems like a lot of work in a universe were robot limbs exist and at this point they arent even that bad. Vader's first robot arm is apparently the best one on his body
And dagan gera eyes glow purple like in the old republic era when a ancient Sith Lord or fallen Jedi or emperor vitiate has glowing purple eyes does it mean they are in full power of the darkness or they are the way full dark side without conflict
And when he blocks bode blaster bolts he force pull bode and choked him while giving him look into my glowing purple eyes into his and throwing him away
For those who do not know prity much he was using form 8 which it’ll know was legends. Prity much what form 8 is that it’s a form that focuses more on the force and it’s suplimental/straightening ability to make up or add to your already pre existing style. Aka it’s force throw but almost none stop. Think fully upgraded double bladed and duel blade lightsaber where you can move them around freely but constantly and in a cerler motion instead of a side to side. His ability with illusions just made it stand out even more as we could now see the usually invisible form (except the sword) in motion
To me it was quite obvious he was using the force completely. He’d already used his dual lightsabers in a cohesive fighting form that looked like he was fighting with an actual arm, and when his arm ‘grows back’ he continues to fight primarily using his left hand, despite being right handed. It just seemed most likely to me that he was just creating an illusion to intimidate Cal
I took it as a force manifestation of his arm, like a force ghost given form. Not so much an illusion as a tangible manifestation for the force. But I guess technically those could be considered the same things.
I want to know how the leader of some raiders knows a dude who has been in bacta for two hundred years and is somehow still alive and remembers the guy
When I first got to the stage against Dagan where everything flipped upside down, I thought it was going to make you fight with controls inverted I was like oh fuck...
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. As master yoda says, force users exist on another plain of existence with their physical form merely being a conduit for them to experience the galaxy as most sentience do.
Dagan might Lowkey be one of the best force users alive well not anymore but still. A Jedi back from the old republic who might of known revan who even knows
I knew immediately that it was a force projection of his phantom hand. And for all of you guys screaming that we've never seen that before, I would point out that Luke used a force projection power to make himself look younger on Crait in his duel with Kylo Ren, as well as in the Legends game Kotor 2 when Kreia uses the force to manipulate three lightsabers in her final duel with the Jedi Exile.
when dagan made bode hallucinate wouldnt dagan sense the force within bode as there would probably be some instinctual resistance to being put in a force hallucination
I thought this was common knowledge. Vader force chokes and he doesnt have real hands, he has prosthetics. For all intents and purposes, Dagan using the force to give himself a working phantom limb is the same as Vader or Luke using the force through their prosthetics.
That's not the thing that really confuses us about Dagan Gera. _"What's his motivation for becoming enemies with Cal Kestis in the first place?"_ Think about it: Dagans' been on ice for the last thousand years. The Jedi from the High Republic Era that knew of him have been long dead, the standards and customs of the Order had likely evolved countless times; especially within the aftermath of The Clone Wars and Order 66, and he was freed by a Jedi Knight that was seeking out safety on Tanalorr for himself, his friends, and for whatever surviving Jedi are left. And here Dagan is; the technical highest-ranking member of the Order, the one who discovered Tanalorr and who wanted to build a Jedi Temple on that he could use to train the next generation of Jedi Knights. He had everything he was after and more; a chance to do away with the harmful traditions that held the Jedi back so many times and led to their downfall. All Dagan needed to do was agree to help bring Cal and his friends to Tanalorr, and he would have accomplished his goals and ambitions right then and there.
It's great explanation on what we saw in the game. For me it's just; why does it need to be explained? It's rather obvious. Oh wait... the internet is a thing xD But again. Great job on explaining it.
I doubt it plus he’s not the first person in canon to do that with the force with no body parts. Vader does it Luke still pushes with his severed hand, Mace does it. Just seems like people forget that most of this stuff isn’t new lol. Even the telekinesis with the lightsaber, Kreia did that in KOTOR 2.
He’s using the force to make a fake arm. Also you don’t have to use hand signs for the force it’s like Harry Potter it just makes it easier. It wasn’t an illusion
I mean Disney already started inventing their own dumb force abilities back in the sequel trilogy like force teleport or force heal, here it doesn't seem as game changing as the previous abilities, and it is reasonable because remember, he is no ordinary Jedi, he's from the era of High republic, which was peak Jedi order. Don't get why people are upset about this
Let me know if there's a particular plot detail/thing in gaming you'd like to see explained in the future :)
I would like to know how Dagan was making a deal with the raiders while in the fish tank for the past 200 years?
@@pensinseo7745 he wasn't actively making the deal. Rayvis's allegiance was forged while Dagan was still roaming around and Rayvis's species, Gen'Dai, live much longer than humans. Rayvis knew Dagan would return and built up his army for when the time was right.
@@ShadowLazer72 thank you I appreciate your response. That actually makes sense.
Why is Dagan so obsessed with Tanalorr? I get it for Cal and Bode but, Dagan? There is no reason to hide away on that planet. It's literally the peak of the jedi?
@Lazerr Also if you listen to Rayvis before his final fight with Cal. He explains Dagan earned his loyalty by defeating him in combat 200 years ago.
In the scenes where Cal flashes back and witnesses Dagan and Santari discussing Tanalor you see at the end the ships appearing and coming for Tanalorr. This is Rayvis and those he commands. Dagan defeats him in one on one combat presumably and earns his loyalty.
However the Jedi refuse to help Dagan on Tanalor and he and his new ally Rayvis turn the attack onto the Jedi killing a good number before are both imprisoned. Dagan in his tank and Rayvis somewhere else.
He mentions to Cal the Jedi dishonoured him after they defeated him and left him to rot rather than give him a warriors death. He says that he was freed after the downfall of the Jedi order and then came to Koboh if he wasn’t already there looking for Dagan. The Bedlam Raiders were already operating here and Rayvis challenged their commander resulting in a sort of Raiders civil war that he won and then continued to search for Dagan for a couple of years and then one day bumps into Cal Kestis outside the Saloon…
People really thought he grew his arm back? I thought it was pretty obvious it was just a phantom limb projected through the force. It's amazing how people are so ready to over think something in Star Wars that has a pretty simple answer.
So true. I’ve been really surprised how many really thought that. Even after the fight how Cal pretty much explains it was all a force illusion.
I mean also let be honest… YTERS have to make content for videos so. Plus Vader and Luke have been using the force with no limbs. And Kreia used telekinesis on lightsabers when I was a kid when I first discovered KOTOR 2.
Exactly his move set doesn’t even change with the arm showing the same thing was happening during the second fight
Same it’s pretty obvious that’s what that was
The number of people who watch Star Wars once and pay attention to nothing is incredible.
Using the force in place of/to represent a phantom limb… easily one of the coolest force ideas we’ve seen in recent Star Wars
I personally thought just wielding the lightsaber using the force was cooler
@@TheNiggler17 pretty much the same thing here 😂
I’m pretty sure it’s just a force allusion
@@hectorle3784 well yeah, but he’s using the force as if there was a limb there, IE a phantom limb, phantom meaning not there but still present in a way
I think it was an elegant way to portray the stupid proposition of just dueling with force-levitated lightsabers
now all I can think of is Jack Black as Greivous
I assumed it was just a force hallucination. At least, that's what made the most sense to me
It was the game even stated that it was multiple times.
Apparently Dagan is a master of illusions according to his tactical guide
@@CojaGamez and when it comes to Bode on Jedha i thought it was Dagen and he´ll be the end boss
But that second lightsaber actually deals damage, so no, not really an hallucination, but sheer force power making it possible to wield that second blade
@@gmr9701 He always had the second lightsaber, and used the force to weild it. The actual appearance of the arm is a hallucination tho
It happens in Fallen Order as well, when Cal cuts off the ninth sisters hand she continues to use the force with that arm and lifts her lightsaber. You don't need to be able ti physically do something to wield the force.
Case in point: Vader. He does it all the time.
@@He-Man00 exactly! And Luke as well 🤣
@@He-Man00 He did it as Anakin in the 2D Clone Wars series, too. This isn't a new thing, and I don't get why people are treating it like it is.
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Because a lot of people that do it, either didn't pay attention when watching the Movies, or have literally no idea about the Universe and just jumped in with the "hey this game looks cool."
@@stevenlanzarotta9576 tbh, I didn't like that Gera's force arm was too fancy/flashy. I wanted his saber to simply levitate, like a darth vader would do if he didn't have any arms.
It's not like Dagan's force power is breaking any established lore, and from my observation, he is merely using telekinesis to move his second lightsaber. Furthermore, we've seen this similar force power before, such as Kreia (Darth Traya) from Knights of the old Republic II: The Sith Lords, who was skilled at telekinetic lightsaber combat by controlling them with her mind. Therefore it's most definitely within an already established lore of the force power.
Hell, we've literally seen this being used in Canon Comics and Novels...
And being able to use the force with a limb that isn't there isn't exactly unheard of after all. We just usually only see it when they gain a robotic arm so we never really think about it too much.
Well, this isn’t the first time we’ve seen characters use the force to control multiple lightsabers. Like Darth Traya from KotOR. She used 3 sabers all controlled with the force.
None of this stuff is new, no offense but when people see this stuff they flip out like it hasn’t been around. Vader and Luke have been using the force with missing limbs lmao.
Sometimes fandom getting confused about such small things really makes me question a lot of things about misinterpretations in Star Wars lore.
Also Vader kinda always uses phantom force lims, for choke, push, pull, etc since, duh, he has no actual limbs.
Force can manifest as long as you can, lets just say believe it, and concentrate yourself enough.
Of course you can't just "believe" and pull a star destroyer from orbit, but as long as you can believe of you wielding with a missing arm - you will.
The fandom misinterprets a lot. For example, anytime someone starts going on about power levels they're misinterpreting the lore.
@@dustinakadustinn this one, well actually on a lot of things, I blame it on this age of short attention spans. It’s literally explained right after the fight ends, but because ppl’s attention spans are so short, they miss key things like Cal explaining it was all an illusion.
"Of course you can't just "believe" and pull a star destroyer from orbit..."
Doesn´t Starkiller literally do that in Force Unleashed?
I mean, the games aren´t canon, buuut... :D
@@johnyshadow
He does.
But because the Games do break the Canon Continuity in major ways, a lot of people agree that it essentially isn't possible to do.
@@Coonazz791
I wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of people who have completed the story also skipped all the cinematics.
It's a very common behaviour.
I don't even know how having a Force limb would be lore-breaking; I mean, even in the Legends material, the Force can be used to perform incredible feats (and in canon, at least there is Time Travel with the Force.)
This is one of those times when spelling makes a huge difference lol
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Legends also has Luke’s evil clone Luuke, so we don’t need to take everything they do as logical
that's a good point that the arm is just part of the hallucination. I caught on quickly that the arm was just the force but then remembered thinking "well if its just the force then its not any different from when he was levitating the saber in the last fight"
I think the best way to explain it is that from the second fight with Dagan, he actually has his force "arm" since it was strange that he could effectively dualwield a double lightsaber already. So I theorised that Cal throughout the game as he gains and improves his force abilities, including dabbling in the dark side allowed him to sort of open his "third eye" if you will from which he could see what Dagan sees.
This is a pretty strong theory, in my opinion, because at the end of the fight, Cal was able to use the force for the first time to create an illusion in order to deceive Dagan. I think the ability to create illusions ties heavily into the dark side, considering Dagan already switched to the dark side and got powerful very early.
I understood the arm was a force projection, but missed the details. Also, this video made me realize the second saber itself was also an illusion.
@TVRKM Wait, really? How can the second safer be a projection?
@YEY0806 I guess it could be real, but his Saber goes through every configuration except having a side blaster. And Cal leaves a single Saber on his chest when he dies. I'd have to check again, but I'm not sure it had a second emitter then.
@@tvrkm6897 No the second blade is very much real. Dagan just copied Cal's design of a double sided blade that can be split apart.
I certainly didn't think it was a physical arm. If Luke can project himself across the galaxy a Jedi might be able to exhibit a Force Arm.
I loved how Cal's rare ability to sense echoes slowly evolved in Survivor. Sometimes rather than just a sense/hearing, we start to see him able to generate a virtual [Force] scene. When he finally got what Dagan was doing and used it to create a vision of Dagan's lover, I knew he had achieved a breakthrough.
We also see something done like this by the Ninth Sister when Cal cut her hand off during their duel on Kashyyyk back in Fallen Order. She was able to lift her lightsaber up with her stump hand.
There's also been many examples in Legends of jedi and sith using the force to wield multiple lightsabers telekinetically and a few names have actually built their entire combat style off of the use of force telekinesis
While the force use to double for his lost arm is fine, I would have thought that, with his droid army, they'd give him a droid arm. He must have had some droid engineer in his gang and prosthetics were well known at that time.
i feel like he was more worried about getting back to tanalor rather than assembling another arm.
maybe he was too proud to taint himself with a cybernetic arm
@@gumbowallace
That actually makes sense a lot.
Even their Temples were fully operated by the Force or mechanisms powered by its Aspects.
Ah yes, Daren Gareth, lord of Transalor.
Didnt Anakin do this in the clone wars? There was even a cave painting prophecy about a man with an 'invisible hand' who would kill a mythical beast?
was that not clear from the fact that the arm was blue and translucent?
Lmao.
Man, with all the characters losing limbs in Star Wars. The power to grow them back would have been...Handy. Anyone? No? I'll show myself out. 🤓
Pffffff
Rayvis: Let me introduce myself
@@adamH.1 Except his isn’t because he has the force
i just assumed it was the visual representation of the force he was using to throw around the other saber but this makes more sense lol
Let us also remember that Dagan is not the only one to control the Lightsaber. Darth Treya also weilded 3 purple sabers soley with the Force.
I always knew it was an arm made by The Force itself, but i never thought about being part of Dagan's illusion during the fight with him...
I didn’t feel confused. In the moment it seemed super obvious that he could use the force so proficiently that it was as if he had both arms
Masana Tide said it best "When you've lost yourself, a limb's easy"
I like that Dagan’s special ability is using the Force to infiltrate people’s minds or to enhance his own mental image
Be being a huge star Wars buff honestly I interpret the Force as your imagination and your mental state. Which in the game and Luke in the empire strikes back how Luke couldn't see himself pulling the x wing out of the the swampy lake. It make sense because the Force can project things and and show us as we think of them.
To quote Obi-Wan, "Your eyes can't see if you don't trust them" while Luke has the helmet on while training on the millennium falcon
Love the twist of the end of the game but I wish they would’ve done more with this character
I always thought that it was obvious that he was just using a force projection of his arm, but the more yknow
You don't need arms to use the force. Luke does it on Dagobah while doing a handstand, Vader force chokes a dude without moving his arms in ESB, he does it somewhat against Luke in ESB, then goes to make is lightsaber more the conduit instead). Also if Luke can project his entire body across the galaxy using the Force, I'd say Dagan can Force Project an Arm.
Yeah, but that would mean accepting Last Jedi or even *shudders, Rise of Skywalker canon.
@@tvrkm6897 Whether you like them or not doesn't stop them from being canon. Besides Vader does this very thing in a force vision essentially as well in a comic. It was a thing in Legends as well in certain stories. It's not like its new.
Vader, unable to use Force Lightning: You know, guys, fuck this.
The technique is called telekinetic light saber combat,which can be applied to any form or style of lightsaber combat.
The other techniques he was using were Force Illusion, and Dun Moch.
I was half expecting (or hoping!) for Dagan (after coming to his senses), to join Cere and the Anchorites on Jedah as part of redemption type path.
I thought it was very obvious his arm was just a representation or illusion of the force wielding the lightsaber
Dagen Gera learnt a trick from Heimdall.
And here I thought someone was finally going to explain to me his motivation for wanting to get to Tanalor so badly
He wanted to use it as a fortress to build the Raiders into an army, and to create a new Jedi Order in his own image. Once this was done, he would strike back into the galaxy and overthrow the Empire.
Did you, like not listen to anything Dagan said in the Game ?
He literally tells Cal about right before one of their fights......
This game is absolutely beautiful! Am going to do a playthrough +. Also I haven't been around a while and now am gonna stick around a lot more! Looking forward for any Mass effect news also 😊
When I was playing, I instantly thought "force ghost arm".
Remember,hes not only very experienced hes also from the golden age of the Republic so his proficiency in the force and usage is more advanced so its not out of the norm for him to use the force to replace his arm even if it is a illusion or foece construct.
When the story giving you all the context clues isn’t enough
Reminded me of the comics where it shows darth vaders missing limbs being a different color.
People have used the Force with their phantom limbs before in Star Wars media, including the Ninth Sister fight in Fallen Order. The issue with Dagan's arm is that we don't know if anyone in-game sees it. Everything regarding the Force and interactions with the Force in the Jedi games have been indicated to the player with a blue highlight. I'm sure Cal isn't seeing a pillar glow blue because he can use the Force on it. We don't know if this is an actual ability Dagan is using, or if it's just a representation of how he's using the Force, to show the player.
This is exactly how I interpreted it. We the audience see the limb because the game designers wanted us to see what was happening. Cal likely never even saw the limb the whole time.
Or perhaps Dagan projected the illusion during the final confrontation and Cal did see the phantom limb. I’m just gonna stop thinking about it lol
Its just there to show the player that Dagan is swinging his other lightsaber with the force. He's such an adept duelist, he doesn't need an arm to use his lightsaber. like how cartoons "show" invisible people to the viewer by making them transparent.
As somebody who doesn't have a full left arm this fight had me giddy lol
Dagan literally woke up and chose violence
In my own Personal opinion.
We have sawn force users Do Tricks without moving a muscle, mostly they do it becuase it help with focusing.
And for dagan, He lost his arm just moments befor He was put in the bacta tank, if He was sleeping for most of the time, bis movement with his upper body just might be out of habbit because He is used to Do it with his right arm
I.... can't imagine how anyone would be confused about this.
His arm wasn't a hallucination. He has no reason to show that to other people. Yes, he was using a phantom limb technique to hold his lightsaber, but there was nothing visible there. Cal can see it because it is a force memory.
This seems like a lot of work in a universe were robot limbs exist and at this point they arent even that bad. Vader's first robot arm is apparently the best one on his body
He lost his arm and was Immediately put in that bacta tank. He never had a chance to get the arm.
@@nrgao he lives with a man who has a robot body double and robot army
@@arcanefury3666 Why rely on crude matter with the force as an ally?
yes bru and people seem to forget that vader force chokes people while having two robotic arms
Funniest part about the arm, I beat the game and never noticed he did that lol. Only found out about it after seeing some youtubers talking about it.
And dagan gera eyes glow purple like in the old republic era when a ancient Sith Lord or fallen Jedi or emperor vitiate has glowing purple eyes does it mean they are in full power of the darkness or they are the way full dark side without conflict
When was his eyes purple ? I think I missed that.
When his force ghost arm appears the first time when he looked at call while blocking bode blaster attacks when he was looking at both of them
And when he blocks bode blaster bolts he force pull bode and choked him while giving him look into my glowing purple eyes into his and throwing him away
For those who do not know prity much he was using form 8 which it’ll know was legends.
Prity much what form 8 is that it’s a form that focuses more on the force and it’s suplimental/straightening ability to make up or add to your already pre existing style. Aka it’s force throw but almost none stop. Think fully upgraded double bladed and duel blade lightsaber where you can move them around freely but constantly and in a cerler motion instead of a side to side. His ability with illusions just made it stand out even more as we could now see the usually invisible form (except the sword) in motion
NGL I didnt even notice he had his arm again during the second stage, I didnt even see it
To me it was quite obvious he was using the force completely. He’d already used his dual lightsabers in a cohesive fighting form that looked like he was fighting with an actual arm, and when his arm ‘grows back’ he continues to fight primarily using his left hand, despite being right handed. It just seemed most likely to me that he was just creating an illusion to intimidate Cal
Could you imagine Dagan vs Vader. High republic Jedi was incredibly powerful so imagine a dark side version
My main thing is how easy it is to get to tanalor like oh no the compass is broken....oh we can align these arrays...so safe
sadly... it was something nobody knew, and when it was done by Cal, it got destroyed shortly after.
It astounds me that so many people, including Star Wars buffs, didn't catch on to this. 🤦♂️
I took it as a force manifestation of his arm, like a force ghost given form. Not so much an illusion as a tangible manifestation for the force. But I guess technically those could be considered the same things.
How he lived in bacta tank for 200 years ? I don't remember this liquid could do that, it was just for healing wounds, not freezing you in time
I think its even cooler how he copies our lightsaber
I love how we feel like this is common knowledge to the world. But we’re just the biggest star wars nerds out there 😂
He is 200 years old and obviously we know very little of the High Republic, and what powers they had and were lost to time
There is also the obvious comparison to Hiemdall's bifrost arm in GOW ragnarok.
I want to know how the leader of some raiders knows a dude who has been in bacta for two hundred years and is somehow still alive and remembers the guy
Thank u so much for these videos
Does that mean the whole later half of the fight on the ceiling was actually a fight in their minds and didn’t happen physically?
The fight was actually happening, it was more of just the setting was the illusion.
If people couldn't tell it was Illusion they obviously weren't paying attention, because he says it at the end of the fight.
When I first got to the stage against Dagan where everything flipped upside down, I thought it was going to make you fight with controls inverted I was like oh fuck...
"Beyond: Good and Evil flashback "
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. As master yoda says, force users exist on another plain of existence with their physical form merely being a conduit for them to experience the galaxy as most sentience do.
Dagan might Lowkey be one of the best force users alive well not anymore but still. A Jedi back from the old republic who might of known revan who even knows
Im pretty sure in the 2d clone wars movies anakin gets his robotic arm broken and he uses the force with his nub but don’t quote me on that
I knew immediately that it was a force projection of his phantom hand.
And for all of you guys screaming that we've never seen that before, I would point out that Luke used a force projection power to make himself look younger on Crait in his duel with Kylo Ren, as well as in the Legends game Kotor 2 when Kreia uses the force to manipulate three lightsabers in her final duel with the Jedi Exile.
when dagan made bode hallucinate wouldnt dagan sense the force within bode as there would probably be some instinctual resistance to being put in a force hallucination
This is why school is so important. That was hella obvious
This isn't the first time is been seen, either. Vader does a similar thing while he mediates in the force in the comics.
Or Darth Traya in KotOR
When I saw that I thought of Bao-Dur from KotOR II: Sith Lords.
Well, his was actually mechanical. But it’s closer to how Darth Traya fought with her sabers.
@@Coonazz791 hated that fight against Traya with 3 floating sabers.
@@daedelus6602 ikr lol
For some reason this didn’t show up in my playthrough when I got the final fight with him
Wait. Did people actually think he grew his arm back? It’s clearly in “force ghost” colours.
Yet another audience reaction that begs the question: “how did people not get this right away?”
Star Wars finally has its own 'genjutsu'.
Nope, the Clone Wars and the original trilogy already did that
Yep clone wars did this when I was a kid. Idk why people act like all of this stuff is new lmao.
I honestly just thought it was a visual aid for smoothing out combat💀
Wait, people really didn't catch on that the arm was an illusion? It felt clear enough to me.
Anyone is else thought Dagan was a Jedi Temple Guard, because of his outfit?
To me its more of his yellow lightsabers that i mistaken for Dagan to be a Jedi Temple Guard
I thought this was common knowledge. Vader force chokes and he doesnt have real hands, he has prosthetics. For all intents and purposes, Dagan using the force to give himself a working phantom limb is the same as Vader or Luke using the force through their prosthetics.
hey I died on the last phase and my xp/force was on the roof when I came back? was this just a mistake by the devs you think?
That's not the thing that really confuses us about Dagan Gera.
_"What's his motivation for becoming enemies with Cal Kestis in the first place?"_
Think about it: Dagans' been on ice for the last thousand years. The Jedi from the High Republic Era that knew of him have been long dead, the standards and customs of the Order had likely evolved countless times; especially within the aftermath of The Clone Wars and Order 66, and he was freed by a Jedi Knight that was seeking out safety on Tanalorr for himself, his friends, and for whatever surviving Jedi are left. And here Dagan is; the technical highest-ranking member of the Order, the one who discovered Tanalorr and who wanted to build a Jedi Temple on that he could use to train the next generation of Jedi Knights. He had everything he was after and more; a chance to do away with the harmful traditions that held the Jedi back so many times and led to their downfall. All Dagan needed to do was agree to help bring Cal and his friends to Tanalorr, and he would have accomplished his goals and ambitions right then and there.
Vader doesnt have real arms either and no one questions his force ability
Ngl i thought i my game was bugged and his arm wasn't supposed to be missing at all
My question is why did Khri want Zee to find him
It's great explanation on what we saw in the game.
For me it's just; why does it need to be explained? It's rather obvious.
Oh wait... the internet is a thing xD
But again. Great job on explaining it.
Dagan it's Finn the human confirmed
This confused people? O.o I am confused by their confusion.
I thought it was obvious it was just part of his illusion.
0:52 - "Tallenor" lol
No No.. I want to know how Dagan remained alive and unaged for 200 yrs. Is it his alien peoples that live long?
you must really be not paying attention to get this confusion. The game even tell you this was an illusion after the fight
That seems to be the case. I was also wondering if it had anything to do with his race that allows him to use the force like that.
I doubt it plus he’s not the first person in canon to do that with the force with no body parts. Vader does it Luke still pushes with his severed hand, Mace does it. Just seems like people forget that most of this stuff isn’t new lol. Even the telekinesis with the lightsaber, Kreia did that in KOTOR 2.
He’s using the force to make a fake arm. Also you don’t have to use hand signs for the force it’s like Harry Potter it just makes it easier. It wasn’t an illusion
No way people were confused about this…
I mean Disney already started inventing their own dumb force abilities back in the sequel trilogy like force teleport or force heal, here it doesn't seem as game changing as the previous abilities, and it is reasonable because remember, he is no ordinary Jedi, he's from the era of High republic, which was peak Jedi order. Don't get why people are upset about this