Great trick! You just need a weblock with a big enough space for the shackle and the biner from the tagline. One problem I can see is that maybe with the soft release the system will get too far away from the anchor that you are clipped into and you might have a hard time reaching it.
That problem happens a lot when I use it on the tension side (the normal side) because we have to let out so much line before it is loose enough for the static side guy to undo it. Whereas this system only needs a little bit before the tag line takes over.
Id love to see a slack snap break test of this soft release vs others on the market vs sketchy DIY soft releases made from 25mm ratchet strap webbing. Also as a side note not relevant to this video, I would also be interested to see how the Aluminium d shackles you use hold up in cyclic loading tests vs aluminium carabiners, As I note you are always saying not to use aluminium carabiners for slacklining yet are quite comfortable using the aluminium d shackle? what is the difference?
Question: If you have a more standard sewn loop in your line (with only one sewn loop), do you just throw in an alpine draw for the backup? I haven't seen this setup before and it seems like this is a common issue - that you want to backup the line around the soft release, but the sewn loop side (which is probably on a fixed end of a line), doesn't commonly have a second sewn loop for the backup
And if you are still worried there may be too much tension on main line when you soft release... just through in a munther on tag line and “belay/lower” out until main line is loose.
Nice technique, although I might have mentioned that this is not a complete highline setup. But I understand it works the same with the backup, just attach the back-up to the main before doing the rest.
haha... that's true. The backup never has tension and you can clip it to main before soft releasing it. Put this comment in Slack chat, I just shared it there and it is a good thought.
Hey Ryan! Can you please explain what is the purpose of the second sawn loop? Is it supposed to replace the backup line or is it just an extra safety for the line in addition to the regular backup line? Thanks!
Hey Ryan! I really like this system, but I I'd like to know if it's there a minimum number of loops that the soft release should have. I have a Sheriff weblock from Equilibrium, ideal for soft release, but with the webbing that I'm using after the 4th loop both lines get in contact. Is that enough, or it should have more?
I believe 6 wraps gives 60+ kn based on balance communities specs. I think 4 is plenty, just make sure you tie off that tail. Not the most scientific way to test, but rig it in the park as tight as possible and bounce on it a little... that will be way more kn than you will ever get even on a whipper. Send me a pic of your setup on fb messenger.
Do you have to have a Purelock Shackle in order to do this? Would a regular shackle work or would you not be able to get the pin undone? Seems a little tricky trying to hold the tagline while undoing a regular shackle and trying not to drop the pin, any suggestions so I don't have to buy a Purelock shackle? Maybe tying the tagline off into an overhand knot and clipping it to the side of my harness to come back to after I have successfully not dropped my shackle pin when undoing the soft release? Or would that be sketch in the case of the webbing being heavy?
You don't have to have the purelock shackle. You can very much tie off the tagline. The weight of the slackline is shockingly not as heavy as people might imagine after releasing just a foot or two of tension. If it was, you could always put a munter mule hitch (th-cam.com/video/IslYcjJ-htI/w-d-xo.html) attached to your belay loop (otherwise it could break a gear loop on the side of your harness) and that way you can undo that slip knot and start to release it, and the munter will be nice anyways to have if there was tension. Something fun I've been experimenting with is not undoing the shackle at all. The 3rd video of my buying guide trilogy that I recently made shows me sending the webbing over without taking any pins out (9 minutes in). Here is a sneak peak since that doesn't come out until next wednesday th-cam.com/video/Wv_NISU0Vqk/w-d-xo.htmlm I'll will try to do a real life example of derigging soon, I'm often on the tension side or alone on the static side haha.
Saurabh Ketkar feather (not the pro) is used in balance communities soft releases and it isnt designed for highlining. So most any webbing is fine to use because it gets pretty strong if you make over 6 wraps. Always test new stuff in the park at the highest tension u can make first! Cheers.
Pretty much any webbing works. Sewn loops are ideal for it but i think it still works even with a water knot. The strength comes from the webbing being wrapped so many times
Hi Ryan, wanted to ask...Is there any difference in putting a weblock or shackle with 2 rings when anchoring the backup webbing on the static side, regarding practicality, safety, webbing slipage...thanks!
To secure it to anchor? If yes, then a weblock will keep more strength of the webbing than a line lock (shackle with rings) and a line lock will keep more strength that tying a frost knot. With all those options you range from 90ish% to 50%. So the MBS of webbing is if you use a large cylinder and that is never the case while highlining. Know your webbing before attaching it to the anchor keeping the reduction in strength in mind. Also, high stretch webbing is ok to use with a line lock but a low stretch webbing is NOT recommended as it can't take the bend as well.
Is there a video where you have this same scenario showing a real highline set up with the back up involved as well. This video just shows the de-rig with a single mainline no back up line.
i cut all mine down to 12ft to 13ft long... if you longline a lot in the park a 25 to 40 footer i suppose is nice but i don't do that anymore because long lines are sketch haha
Lennart Fiedler when you release soft release even a little bit it drastically reduces tension. If you feel that it is still too tight, dont pull pin yet but soft release more. Under 100 meters i use 3mm tag line and over 300 meters i use 8mm polypropylene and i think those are plenty strong once initial pressure is released.
I highly recommend rigging a tight ass line at the park and trying this method out. Way better to practice where it is easy to try. Then you can see how as you release line, it looses tension and the tag line will have all the weight (wherever you feel like it can handle it) way before you commit by popping the pin and ONLY having the tag line holding it. More you release, the lighter it gets. Go give it a try.
When I was creating a alackline a few years ago with a couple of carabiners, slings and length of webbing. I put the webbing material under itself. Created a 3 in 1 pulley system which would lock itself automatically. Like a truckers hitch going through the carabiners. Then tied it up for backup. Would work for small setups. Maybe not so great over a canyon. th-cam.com/video/7f0Kjt-hJiE/w-d-xo.html
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This is so simple looking when you explained it. Thanks for this!!!
The best way to derig any highline. I wish everyone knew about this.
Great trick! You just need a weblock with a big enough space for the shackle and the biner from the tagline. One problem I can see is that maybe with the soft release the system will get too far away from the anchor that you are clipped into and you might have a hard time reaching it.
That problem happens a lot when I use it on the tension side (the normal side) because we have to let out so much line before it is loose enough for the static side guy to undo it. Whereas this system only needs a little bit before the tag line takes over.
just when i thought they were worthless... brilliant!
whoops forgot to undo backup b4 soft release had to get bailed out by t side. ya win some ya loose some i guess
Id love to see a slack snap break test of this soft release vs others on the market vs sketchy DIY soft releases made from 25mm ratchet strap webbing. Also as a side note not relevant to this video, I would also be interested to see how the Aluminium d shackles you use hold up in cyclic loading tests vs aluminium carabiners, As I note you are always saying not to use aluminium carabiners for slacklining yet are quite comfortable using the aluminium d shackle? what is the difference?
Question: If you have a more standard sewn loop in your line (with only one sewn loop), do you just throw in an alpine draw for the backup? I haven't seen this setup before and it seems like this is a common issue - that you want to backup the line around the soft release, but the sewn loop side (which is probably on a fixed end of a line), doesn't commonly have a second sewn loop for the backup
And if you are still worried there may be too much tension on main line when you soft release... just through in a munther on tag line and “belay/lower” out until main line is loose.
Nice technique, although I might have mentioned that this is not a complete highline setup. But I understand it works the same with the backup, just attach the back-up to the main before doing the rest.
haha... that's true. The backup never has tension and you can clip it to main before soft releasing it. Put this comment in Slack chat, I just shared it there and it is a good thought.
Hey Ryan! Can you please explain what is the purpose of the second sawn loop? Is it supposed to replace the backup line or is it just an extra safety for the line in addition to the regular backup line? Thanks!
I think your adjustable daisy is body weight only. I think the tag says 300lbs.
Most of those adjustable daisys a1re rated for bodyweight only.
Hey Ryan! I really like this system, but I I'd like to know if it's there a minimum number of loops that the soft release should have. I have a Sheriff weblock from Equilibrium, ideal for soft release, but with the webbing that I'm using after the 4th loop both lines get in contact. Is that enough, or it should have more?
I believe 6 wraps gives 60+ kn based on balance communities specs. I think 4 is plenty, just make sure you tie off that tail. Not the most scientific way to test, but rig it in the park as tight as possible and bounce on it a little... that will be way more kn than you will ever get even on a whipper. Send me a pic of your setup on fb messenger.
Do you have to have a Purelock Shackle in order to do this? Would a regular shackle work or would you not be able to get the pin undone? Seems a little tricky trying to hold the tagline while undoing a regular shackle and trying not to drop the pin, any suggestions so I don't have to buy a Purelock shackle? Maybe tying the tagline off into an overhand knot and clipping it to the side of my harness to come back to after I have successfully not dropped my shackle pin when undoing the soft release? Or would that be sketch in the case of the webbing being heavy?
You don't have to have the purelock shackle. You can very much tie off the tagline. The weight of the slackline is shockingly not as heavy as people might imagine after releasing just a foot or two of tension. If it was, you could always put a munter mule hitch (th-cam.com/video/IslYcjJ-htI/w-d-xo.html) attached to your belay loop (otherwise it could break a gear loop on the side of your harness) and that way you can undo that slip knot and start to release it, and the munter will be nice anyways to have if there was tension. Something fun I've been experimenting with is not undoing the shackle at all. The 3rd video of my buying guide trilogy that I recently made shows me sending the webbing over without taking any pins out (9 minutes in). Here is a sneak peak since that doesn't come out until next wednesday th-cam.com/video/Wv_NISU0Vqk/w-d-xo.htmlm
I'll will try to do a real life example of derigging soon, I'm often on the tension side or alone on the static side haha.
Hi Ryan, I was just wondering if there is any specific kind of webbing used for a soft release? does any kind of webbing work?
Saurabh Ketkar feather (not the pro) is used in balance communities soft releases and it isnt designed for highlining. So most any webbing is fine to use because it gets pretty strong if you make over 6 wraps. Always test new stuff in the park at the highest tension u can make first! Cheers.
Pretty much any webbing works. Sewn loops are ideal for it but i think it still works even with a water knot. The strength comes from the webbing being wrapped so many times
Hi Ryan, wanted to ask...Is there any difference in putting a weblock or shackle with 2 rings when anchoring the backup webbing on the static side, regarding practicality, safety, webbing slipage...thanks!
To secure it to anchor? If yes, then a weblock will keep more strength of the webbing than a line lock (shackle with rings) and a line lock will keep more strength that tying a frost knot. With all those options you range from 90ish% to 50%. So the MBS of webbing is if you use a large cylinder and that is never the case while highlining. Know your webbing before attaching it to the anchor keeping the reduction in strength in mind. Also, high stretch webbing is ok to use with a line lock but a low stretch webbing is NOT recommended as it can't take the bend as well.
Great! Thanks for the quick reponse!
Is there a video where you have this same scenario showing a real highline set up with the back up involved as well. This video just shows the de-rig with a single mainline no back up line.
th-cam.com/video/b0yKpnIDZxo/w-d-xo.html
Pretty sure you've said 'munter hitch' when you intended to say half hitches (or overhand, can't really see)
Would u consider chopping the soft release down a bit I find they're all excessively long. What do you think
i cut all mine down to 12ft to 13ft long... if you longline a lot in the park a 25 to 40 footer i suppose is nice but i don't do that anymore because long lines are sketch haha
Yeah sweet I think Im going to cut mine down too theres always so much tail.
@@BeingLiving it was hard for me too when i did my first one but so worth it... worse case u can just tie the tail back on for releasing bigger lines.
don´t you need a quite strong tagline?
Lennart Fiedler when you release soft release even a little bit it drastically reduces tension. If you feel that it is still too tight, dont pull pin yet but soft release more. Under 100 meters i use 3mm tag line and over 300 meters i use 8mm polypropylene and i think those are plenty strong once initial pressure is released.
thanks Ryan maybe i´ll try later this year. but my tagline already ripped once... and it is too cold at the moment
I highly recommend rigging a tight ass line at the park and trying this method out. Way better to practice where it is easy to try. Then you can see how as you release line, it looses tension and the tag line will have all the weight (wherever you feel like it can handle it) way before you commit by popping the pin and ONLY having the tag line holding it. More you release, the lighter it gets. Go give it a try.
When I was creating a alackline a few years ago with a couple of carabiners, slings and length of webbing. I put the webbing material under itself. Created a 3 in 1 pulley system which would lock itself automatically. Like a truckers hitch going through the carabiners. Then tied it up for backup. Would work for small setups. Maybe not so great over a canyon.
th-cam.com/video/7f0Kjt-hJiE/w-d-xo.html