Tektronix 4054A with Option 30+31 Color Dynamic Vector Graphics Demo

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  • @heavysystemsinc.
    @heavysystemsinc. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    The one thing going through my mind was how Tron's world in certain scenes is drawn into existence this exact same way. I thought it was a stylistic choice, but turns out they were mimicking what happens on a vector workstation like this. Very cool bit of history here.

    • @johnsmith1953x
      @johnsmith1953x ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was thinking the same. Quite unique.

    • @antonliakhovitch8306
      @antonliakhovitch8306 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't quote me on it, but I heard somewhere that they actually used Tektronix workstations in part of the VFX pipeline for Tron!

  • @grossteilfahrer
    @grossteilfahrer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Wow. What you are doing is archaeology. Computing history must be preserved now unless we want to lose it to the pioneers dying off

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Thanks Ronny! I used a Tektronix 4051 at my first job after university in 1977. It was my first personal computer and I loved it. I collected my 4052 and 4054 in 2000 and upgraded the 4054 to the 4054A - but I had NEVER heard of a color storage tube display Option 31, NOR the Option 30 Dynamic Graphics coprocessor until I recovered the Option 30 demo tape from an estate collection of dozens of tapes. Tektronix 4050 computers don't get the kind of recognition they deserve - compared to the consumer PCs.

    • @grossteilfahrer
      @grossteilfahrer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TEK-Vectors I have renovated a 4006-1, and our computer club has a working 4014, that is where my interest comes from.

    • @4wheelwarrior
      @4wheelwarrior ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No doubt. Those early pioneers did it RIGHT, and we need to learn from them. Modern Computers are Dog Sh*t.

    • @michaelfingers7726
      @michaelfingers7726 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@4wheelwarriorfunny how you spout this bullshit on a video where the creator had to use an ARDUINO to get this aging tech to function properly.

    • @DrewskisBrews
      @DrewskisBrews 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@4wheelwarriorgranted, these machines cost as much as a house

  • @DrDanielHoward
    @DrDanielHoward 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I remember using the Textronix in 1985 when I started my PhD and even earlier in 1983 doing my Masters degree both in computational mechanics/fluid dynamics/finite element methods. Don't forget we had nothing else. The green light was mesmerizing and it pierced the screen, it was very precise but drawing was slow. It was a wonderful experience that the kids these days who just pick up packages to code and draw never experienced as we did. We wrote all of our software in FORTRAN and used these sorts of tools to display results: streamlines, streaklines, velocity vectors etc.

  • @8BitNaptime
    @8BitNaptime ปีที่แล้ว +16

    You have convinced me sir, I would like to purchase this fine graphics workstation.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You are about 40 years too late to buy a new one 😁

    • @8BitNaptime
      @8BitNaptime ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TEK-Vectors What is your price for a used one? These things look cool but probably hard to keep running and tube is wearing out ... oh well.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@8BitNaptime I purchased my 4054 computer on EBAY in 2000 and my 4052 computer from a medical school auction in 2000. These computers still turn up on EBAY - but very rarely.

  • @adriansdigitalbasement
    @adriansdigitalbasement ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Thanks for showing off the demo, it really is magical to see this in operation. I don't think when I was a kid with my VIC-20 that something could produce such crisp and sharp graphics like this machine can.

  • @JamesSmith-ix5jd
    @JamesSmith-ix5jd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like the interface, I mean the lack of it, it conveys that you are a professional and you already know what you are doing, it also look futuristic the blade runner vibes despite it being 50 years old.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      I can't take credit for writing the Option 30 Demo - but I agree it is very professional. Tektronix 4050 computers targeted business, government and military customers - so the demo was designed to show off the Option 30 dynamic graphics to each of those potential customers at the launch of the 19-inch Tektronix 4054 and Option 30 in 1979. I successfully recovered all the files on the Option 30 Demo tape a year ago from the estate of a Tektronix Sales Engineer.

  • @GrahamToal
    @GrahamToal ปีที่แล้ว +9

    These so outperform the Vectrex that I doubt we could even emulate that many of them. Wonderful old tech. Glad you're keeping them alive. At the risk of sounding morbid, I think we old guys need to make sure these are disposed of properly in our wills so they don't end up at Goodwill etc when we're gone. We need to specify that these go to some suitable computer museum where they'll be kept running. (And I need to take my own advice and do likewise).

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Graham, I agree. After exhibiting my Tektronix 4054A at Vintage Computer Festival West 2022 at the Computer History Museum in Mountain View California last August, I plan to donate my Tektronix 4054A to CHM. I did not see any Tektronix computers at CHM and believe they were an important part of the history of microcomputers and graphics. My first experience with personal microcomputers was the Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer with Motorola 6800 in the late 1970's at my first job in the USAF Satellite Control Facility. I learned BASIC programming and wrote many BASIC programs: visualization, simulation and even submitted my Cubic Spline Interpolation program to the Tektronix 4050 Applications library. The 'instant on' experience with the 4051 was very impressive and when I worked at Compaq Computer - I missed that experience and the amazing vector graphics as I helped design and architect their Deskpro 286, 386, 486 and Systempro PCs in the 1980's.

  • @UTUBMRBUZZ
    @UTUBMRBUZZ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the demo really gives the TRON vibe....

  • @frog58079
    @frog58079 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As an owner of Vectrex (I've coded several demos for it) I envy you :) 4054 - awesome machine!

  • @pjcnet
    @pjcnet ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Amazing for the time, vector displays were a great way to maximize graphics with the minimal processing power and memory that they had available in those days, this would have been at the cutting edge of technology however and definitely wasn't cheap.

  • @AppliedCryogenics
    @AppliedCryogenics 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I love this machine. I guessed right that it has AMD 2901 bit slice processors, but was surprised to read that it is microcoded to emulate some 6800 CPU features for backwards compatibility. Thanks for preserving this quite classy (and aesthetically superior) bit of history! ;D

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I love it too - an as my first personal computer experience - on the Tektronix 4051 introduced in 1975 - was a great, easy to use microcomputer. When I decided to find one in 2000 - I found my 4052 and 4054A - both of which have the second generation custom 16-bit bit-slice CPU introduced in 1979 to provide an average of 10x boost in performance over the 800KHz 6800 CPU in the 4051.

  • @vbifusful
    @vbifusful ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really amazing, especially for 1979!

  • @victorc2869
    @victorc2869 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is amazing. Thanks for posting this. I remember my dad showing me this with early cad applications. I tried explaining vector graphics to my computer high-school teacher and he couldn't grasp any other concept other than pixels.😅

  • @suvetar
    @suvetar 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This machine is an absolute beast and to think that it's in its 40's too!! Thank you so very much for sharing this with us, I feel privileged to have seen it in action!

  • @4wheelwarrior
    @4wheelwarrior ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, thanks for recovering that from tape and posting it! What an incredible display ...

  • @arduous222
    @arduous222 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is wonderful! Thank you for making this demonstration.
    I work in astronomy, and we have a lot of programs that dates back to 70s. I have been always wondering why certain programs have horrible graphical interfaces despite them being updated in recent years, and what was the original purpose of those graphics that looks horrible in pixel-based graphics. Assuming they were intended to be displayed on screens like this one, I believe they make far more senses.

  • @ismaelabdulwadud
    @ismaelabdulwadud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    with red-green glasses you can even see the objects in 3d. really very impressive. super high resolution as in ultra hd. Thank you for this great video.👋

  • @serqetry
    @serqetry ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need one of these so badly.

  • @roystonlodge
    @roystonlodge ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have the opening theme from The Black Hole running in my head while watching some of these graphics demos.
    :-)

  • @soviet9922
    @soviet9922 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Truly amazing system, could be cool how the tube looks in 4k quality video :D

  • @MichaelKingsfordGray
    @MichaelKingsfordGray 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another impressive demo, for the time.

  • @PlasmaNode
    @PlasmaNode ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow this is awesome

  • @manusmcmanus9330
    @manusmcmanus9330 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Reminds me of a game called Mercenary( i think) or tau ceti,or tron etc.Something iconic about " vector space" would be great to have a modern game in vector space landscape or something.

  • @eskwadrat
    @eskwadrat ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It reminds me of HAL9000 screens presented in 2001 Space Odyssey. These must have been rendered using multiple vector terminals.

  • @miked4377
    @miked4377 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    fascinating...the vectors remind me of tron...do you have a video of what this machine looks like??

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmm - I have not made a video of my Tektronix 4054A - good idea! Here is a photo of my exhibit of my 4054A at VCF Southwest 2022 in Dallas Texas with a young boy playing the Tektronix BASIC Artillery game: drive.google.com/file/d/1pwsBQFhgdyz4ubUXUN2gZHReNHXUYY9M/view?usp=sharing Here is a link to another person's 4054A Workstation youtube video: th-cam.com/video/A5dNL0up2HA/w-d-xo.html showing it running a CAD application.

  • @8RmaN8
    @8RmaN8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very cool!

  • @LavaCreeperPeople
    @LavaCreeperPeople 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    cool

  • @AtariAlive
    @AtariAlive ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Coolest computer I’ve seen

  • @gavinvales8928
    @gavinvales8928 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish this display technology was developed further, but i don't think moving electrons around on a phosphorous screen lends itself to being used in portable devices

  • @dondonMMD
    @dondonMMD ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine that, the Concorde jet and SR-71 even born 10 years earlier than this thing, how those engineers made it.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Both the SR-71 and Concorde were introduced in the 1960's about 10 years before the introduction of the Tektronix 4050 vector graphics computers. This wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcomp_plotter indicates the Calcomp 565 drum plotter was introduced in 1959 and was also marketed by IBM as its IBM 1627 plotter for use with its scientific computers 1620 and 1130. Another wikipedia article en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CAD_software indicates the term "computer-aided design" was coined by an MIT researcher in 1959, and the first CAD software was introduced in the 1960's primarily targeting the automotive and aerospace industries. So both the SR-71 and Concorde jet designs could have used CAD in their designs. This article also indicates the MIT Sketchpad computer program was written by Ivan Sutherland in 1963 for his PhD thesis and was the first computer program to utilize a complete graphical user interface. The Tektronix 4050 vector graphics computers were true personal computer workstations with the entire CPU, vector graphics CRT, keyboard and tape drive for storing programs and data in a single enclosure. They could also be used as vector graphics terminals connected to mainframe or mini-computers like the earlier Tektronix 4010 series vector graphics terminals.

  • @TR-707
    @TR-707 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    holy sh this looks cool. You should do a patreon or some service wher eyou draw and video submitters images. this is so cool

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      I had not thought about a patreon service - very interesting 😁

  • @suvetar
    @suvetar ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @Monty Hiya, just wanted to ask, if you don't mind, what are the running costs of a system like this? I was wondering what the options are to get something running like this in the UK? Would it need a significant mod for the PSU or is its voltage selector easy? Also interested in power consumption of that storage tube?
    Thank you once again for your work with these simply fabulous inventions - would that vector/storage tubes got the attention they clearly deserve!

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      The Tektronix 4054 computer consumes 360W according to the service manual. The AC input voltage is selected using a small card in the AC input connector to 90-110 volts, 108-132 volts, 198-242 volts, and 216-250 volts. I would imagine the storage tube may be half or less of the power.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't leave the 4054A running all the time.

  • @KanalFrump
    @KanalFrump ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is there any demos showing anything like gerber viewers? The storage tube would seem well suited for rendering such graphics, assuming you could make the fast vector storage effect act like a photoplotter with different size apertures.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      I haven't seen an example of a gerber file like for a printed circuit board layout - but I have seen an IC Mask file from a Tektronix 4014 storage terminal. I imagine that IC Mask was designed on a minicomputer or mainframe and the 4014 with 19" storage tube and 4096x3072 vector resolution was used to quickly display the mask during design.

  • @jakubkrcma
    @jakubkrcma ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤❤❤

  • @GeorgesChannel
    @GeorgesChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video, Monty! Really enjoyed it. Very impressive for a storage tube computer. What would have your sydtem have cost in this configuration?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      From a June 1983 Tektronix Catalog, my 4054A list price was $20,100, Option 01 Data Communication Interface $1400, 64KB RAM $290, Option 30 Dynamic Graphics $3315, Option 31 Color Enhanced Dynamic Graphics $5315 for a total of $30130. In 2022 dollars it would be $89684.75! according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics Calculator: data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

    • @GeorgesChannel
      @GeorgesChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TEK-Vectors Thats a lot of money :)

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@GeorgesChannel The only fair comparison to the Tektronix 4054/4054A at that time would the Tektronix 4114A30 Desk Configuration that was just introduced in the June 1983 Tektronix catalog: 19" 4114A storage tube terminal installed in a desk ($21400) with 64KB RAM ($600), Option 31 Color Enhanced Refresh CRT ($2000). This version of the 4114A included a microcomputer (8086?) running CPM-86 and a Fortran 86 compiler. Total 1983 price $24000 - which would be $73279 in 2022. The older (1979) 4054 used a custom 16-bit bit-slice microprocessor design that included hardware floating point instructions and backwards compatibility to the Motorola 6800 which was used in the original 4051 computer introduced in 1975. The biggest tradeoff between the 4054A and 4114A would have been the extensive software available for the 4054A including customer programs versus writing new programs or recompiling customer Fortran programs.

    • @GeorgesChannel
      @GeorgesChannel 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TEK-Vectors You could also make a video about the prices of the systmes you mentioned. Its an interesting topic...

  • @hambergerenjoyer5816
    @hambergerenjoyer5816 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    its insane to see that such tech existed in the 70s, but I have a question, can it run doom? Or maybe the atari Tempest game? It looks similar on the screen as the atari quadrascan

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm working on getting Atari Asteroids ported - see my work-in-progress video: th-cam.com/video/9yvnffajpjc/w-d-xo.html and I created a Battlestar Galactica "Cylon Attack" game: th-cam.com/video/CLi_ZxPFvqA/w-d-xo.html

  • @lordterra1377
    @lordterra1377 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Someone needs to make a synthwave music video bur use this computer to animate it.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am thinking of adding an audio circuit to this computer😁

  • @johnsmith1953x
    @johnsmith1953x ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *Was this monitor used in some old mass spectrometer machines in the 1980s??*
    Varian?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      Tektronix did OEM their monitors, so it could be possible. Check out the Tektronix 1983 Catalog - OEM Products section starting on page 117: archive.org/details/bitsavers_tektronixclog1983_247515583/page/n117/mode/2up

  • @shmehfleh3115
    @shmehfleh3115 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does that machine use anything like a penetron CRT? I've heard of old military radar displays that used two-color penetron tube displays to show orange, green, or any combination of the two depending on how intense the electron gun hit the phosphor surface.

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm not familiar with the penetron CRT - but a quick look at the wikipedia article on penetron tells me there is some similarity with my Tektronix 4054A Option 31 Color Dynamic Vector Graphics. If I understand the penetron correctly - the writing beam must write all the vectors of one color at one energy level and then write all the other color vectors at a different energy level. Biggest difference I see in the penetron and this CRT is the green phosphor in this CRT is written once by a high energy writing gun and then is continuously illuminated by low energy flood guns near the face of the CRT - which is how all the Tektronix storage tubes work. The red phosphor in this CRT is being illuminated by the using the writing gun at a slightly lower energy (too low to energize the green phosphor), and it is refreshed 37 times a second by the Option 30 graphics coprocessor from a vector list in its memory. The writing gun is now only being used to write the 'red' vectors.

  • @wigwagstudios2474
    @wigwagstudios2474 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now i wonder how this would SOUND. Could this be converted to audio?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว

      Check out my latest Battlestar Galactica "Cylon Attack" game video for sound effects 😁

  • @bloodmapedit
    @bloodmapedit ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Impressive! Wasn't this computer also used in Battlestar Galactica 1978?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes - the first generation Tektronix 4051 vector graphics computer (introduced in 1975) was used in Battlestar Galactica original TV series. See this 1978 TekWeek article 7vmc31.p3cdn1.secureserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/BattlestarGalactica_TW_060291978.pdf Also see other movies and shows displaying Tektronix products here: vintagetek.org/tektronix-in-movies-shows/

  • @yyyyyeeeee4060
    @yyyyyeeeee4060 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hey there! Would you be open to uploading the Option 30 demo programs to the Internet Archive?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      My Option 30 demo programs are posted on my github repository for 65 Tektronix 4051/4052/4054 computer tapes I have recovered or created like BMP, Battlestar Galactica: github.com/mmcgraw74/Tektronix-4051-4052-4054-Program-Files/tree/master/4054_Opt_30_Demo2 Since the demo tape programs were saved in Tek 4050 BINARY, I also saved them in ASCII readable text in the ASCII Programs directory of the demo directory.

  • @abdelazizdaoui5257
    @abdelazizdaoui5257 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @jimbass1664
    @jimbass1664 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did they use this on the original Battlestar Galactica? Drawing looks the same.

  • @detaart
    @detaart ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder, since this is still a CRT, can it suffer from burn-in as well?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it is a CRT and yes it can suffer from burn-in - I actually caused some when I first got this computer running last year. All the Tektronix 4050 series vector graphics computers had storage-tube CRT displays that could burn-in the persistent image on the screen if left on for more than 15 minutes. So all these computers had automatic screen erase after 15 minutes of inactivity. I was debugging my program to draw Space Station file and kept the display active for over an hour by pressing the shift key and have found this caused a little burn-in.

    • @detaart
      @detaart ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TEK-Vectors Thank you for explaining this.
      I was wondering about this, since the beam isn't scanning over the activated areas anymore, but the phosphor remains excited.
      I thought either, no burn-in because no electrons, or more burn-in, because the phosphor never decays like it would between scans in a normal CRT.
      Interesting stuff!

  • @Waffle4569
    @Waffle4569 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does the green persist if the beam isn't actively drawing it, but also able to be cleared at any time? I see it flashes the entire screen green while resetting, but how does the green fade fast on reset but not during normal operation?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Check out this Tektronix Tekniques newsletter article explaining how the vectors are stored on the CRT and how the write-thru or refresh vectors in "orange" work on my Option 31 Color Dynamic Graphics CRT starting on page 2 in the Tektronix Tekniques Vol 5 No 3 Summer/Fall 1981 issue: www.bitsavers.org/pdf/tektronix/tekniques/vol5/Tekniques_Vol_5_No_03.pdf

  • @theears995
    @theears995 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder if I can find an emulator for this system somewhere!

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, we have a Tektronix 4051 emulator that runs with Chrome web browser here: github.com/Twilight-Logic/Tek405xEmulator This emulator has Tektronix 4051 R12 and other option ROMs and includes support for my Tektronix 4050 GPIB Flash Drive which supports accessing a complete set of files I have posted in this zip file here: github.com/mmcgraw74/Tektronix-4051-4052-4054-Program-Files/blob/master/Flash_Drive latest zip file I have posted in that directory. Follow my instructions in this post to run the Pictures program folder in the 4051 Emulator since the Emulator supports only one directory at a time: forum.vcfed.org/index.php?threads/tek-405x-web-browser-emulator.62548/post-1265672 There are many other folders in that zip - however the Emulator can only run the programs for the 4051 - and cannot run the program in this video.

  • @happybank5688
    @happybank5688 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bro i want know Tektronix 1720or 1741a can do this?

    • @TEK-Vectors
      @TEK-Vectors  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      check out this website using a 1720 to play vector arcade games like Tempest! trmm.net/Tek_1720/ and these two links trmm.net/Category%3AVector_display/ trmm.net/Category%3AVector_display/#vector-displays-with-mame and his v.st board webpage: trmm.net/V.st/

    • @happybank5688
      @happybank5688 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TEK-Vectors I don't have any maintenance experience T T,

  • @MohammedIrfan-eq2ix
    @MohammedIrfan-eq2ix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    better place, I want to take tNice tutorials seriously and tryhard my way into tNice tutorials industry. The people who put in the most work are the most