My favourite juxtaposition between Bethesda and Obsidian: In Fallout 4 there was a stupid quest where a ghoul kid sat in a fridge for two hundred years and you return him to his ghoul family, about ten minutes walk away. Fallout New Vegas had a charred corpse in a fridge wearing the Indiana Jones hat.
Even as a 12 year old kid it always bothered me that nobody in the Bethesda Fallout universe ever had the idea to maybe clear some rubble and rebuild damaged parts of pre war buildings
Yeah like it’s been over 200 years and they did no building or if they did it looks like a pile of trash with no water, no food and dirty as fuck. 200 years is almost the same as from independence of US to this days WTF were they doing?
I want to see you clear rubble and hull trash across the Commonwealth and Wasteland while you got raiders, Supermutants, everything else shooting at you.
For that reason I had to download the mods "Clean Sanctuary" and "Clean Nuka World". I tried telling those settlers to pick up that trash, but they were always busy whining about not having beds.
I had a real trouble figuring out or making sense when FO3 was playing as of what the exact timeline is and when was this nuclear war. I tried to explain it to my brother, when I finally got it and he asked "So, nobody cleaned up area for 100s of years?"
I’ve honestly wondered why FO3 wasn’t set between FO1 and FO2 on the timeline. There’s no reason why there cannot be events occurring in parallel on the timeline in different regions. Even the representative for The Brotherhood of Steel in FO1 told you there were chapters of the organization in various regions.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes theres tons of evidence that fo3 was originally going to take place 20 years after the war, which would explain literally everything.
Bottle caps were not used in currency in Fallout 2. They had actual money (coins) issued by NCR. There was even a quest where you found an 'old treasure' at it turned out to be thousands of bottle caps, now worthless. :D
@@Zen-rw2fz But you could use caps though. I would never spend caps because some things can only be brought with caps. I would barter things that Id found that I didnt need for caps and goods. I don't really feel like they tried to do away with it
Because Bethesda loves iconography regardless of meaning. So caps, super mutants, Brotherhood of Steel, they all have to be around even if they shouldn't make sense on the east coast because we've got merch to sell!
Terribly accurate. "This was supposed to be a series about the wild world that emerged from the ashes of nuclear fire, Bethesda thought it was about the ashes."
I wouldn't say that is accurate. Very beginning of the video he complains that the culture is like that of the 1950's and talks about Retrofuturism and how Fallout doesn't do that under Bethesda... but it does. People in the 1950's pictured their ideals continuing on into their future in their thoughts about their future it was in exhibits like the worlds fair. And Bethesda carried their culture into their time period. As well, they also did do things that equate to retro futurism with the series including making the giant freedom prime robot that would have looked like a toy you sent boxtops in for, the Aliens and their convoluted plan to take over the world. I can fault Bethesda for some good amount of things but I can't really get on them for their atmosphere and world building... it was pretty spot on. I can fault them for recycling the find your son and find your dad plot point though and plenty of other things.
@@chaosdirge4906 Bethesda's worldbuilding is absolutely terrible and nonsensical. This meme that Bethesda has good worldbuilding needs to die or people don't understand what goes into actual good worldbuilding.
@@okagron I disagree, I think they have great worldbuilding. a lot of their lore for their games is interesting. Its not a meme that they have great worldbuilding, its just an opinion. and you can have yours but I find their lore entertaining.
@@chaosdirge4906 The stuff like giant robots, green aliens, and giant man eating ants created on an accident by a scientis trying to find some world saving formula is not retrofuturism, its science fiction, witch is again, bethesda looking over at 50's trends and saying "yeah, lets put that in our game"
that's why i usually use "disable" on rubble that shouldn't be there for 210 years. Though some of them are actually not a separate object from the game world, some rubbles are actually hiding a big hole that could glitched you out of the game's world.
When I think about that whole "why is Fallout 3's capital wasteland full of rubble so long after the war?" I think back on actual history. Berlin after WW2 was basically like the capital wasteland in large parts. You can check out actual footage of somebody driving through the city like a year after the war ended and see piles and piles of rubble and half destroyed buildings. But there's something else you can see too. People had gone back to semi-normal life, clearing out the rubble and trying to move on and rebuild. It's absolutely implausible that the capital wasteland would still be this much of a wasteland in Fallout 3. Bethesda should've set the game to a moment in time more close to the end of the war if this is what the wanted the game to be.
FO3: Your dad's super important so you have to go find him FO4: Your son's super important so you have to go find him FONV: Benny shot you in the head, welcome to Vegas.
NV is still my favorite Fallout however I'm really hyped for the fan remake Fallout 4 New Vegas to release. I wanna play Vegas with modern graphics, physics, and gunplay.
@@comicsans1689 It's not about revenge, you don't have to do that if you don't want, nobody is waiting for you, the world is not in you, you are in the world.
Explains why they don't understand it soo much that they looked at Shady Sands growing and trying to rebuild society and decide to make it stagnant like their setting by literally nuking it out of canon
@@KaosNova2 Many feel Bethesda just wants to erase NV's success by making the game's events non-canon, but I feel it might be more to incompetence... remember this is the same studio that gave Vault 95 Jet despite it being invented by Myron after the war
@@KaosNova2There's a scene in the fallout tv show with a timeline on a chalkboard. It reads "The fall of shady sands, 2277" and then points to a nuclear explosion. NuFallout fans are coping by saying that the nukes OBVIOUSLY came after, but anyone with a half functioning brain can see that "the fall of Shady Sands" is a very real event that happened.
@@valance10 I know, lol, the “media literacy” NPC’s. It isn’t clear at all as there should’ve been a box with a date at the mushroom cloud. If you go back and look at the clip, it looks like there may have been one but someone erased it & redrew it like that.
@@ShadowSonic2 you're joking... Springvale is an abandoned ramshackle town and that place is much more cleaner than megaton, no bullshitting. Not to mention infinitely safer since it doesn't have an ACTIVE NUKE right in the middle or being in a crater 30 feet below sea level! If I were a wastelander, I'd settle down in springvale and reinforce the walls of one of the houses there.
@@DJWeapon8 Springvale is infested with Raiders, right next to that school where they took over. The town is just blasted out old wooden homes with no metal except in the school that's a Raider base. Nuclear bombs do NOT give off sufficient radiation to harm anyone, without being connected to proper maintenance mechanisms they will go inert after a few days and it takes a hell of a lot to set off a 50s era bomb to begin with. People complaining about the Nuke in Megaton Don't realize how safe those people really were.
In New Vegas, the 1950’s aesthetic works more, because it’s used less. The only place where people wear 50’s attire is the strip, the rich place. Also, House controlling the strip before and after makes the aesthetic seem actually reasonable. People use pre war attire, but it’s a sign of power, success and wealth.
Yeah I agree. Also the kings are another good example of this. While they are based in freeside, the poorest place in Vegas, that's cause they keep the peace there. The Kings are the most powerful gang in freeside and are just a big deal in vegas period. And the group only has a small idea of who elvis was. As such they only imitate him on the surface level. The King himself says that he likes to think he's keeping the memory alive.
It's even mentioned that House gave them the clothes and taught them the mannerisms and/or gave them books they used to learn to imitate pre war culture, implying that before that, they were just average tribals wearing scraps. He's actually a very good ingame explanation as to why and how people would behave in ways reminiscent of the ancient past.
@@evanharrison4054 Actually, the three families that work on the Strip (The white glove society, the Omertas, and the Chairmen) were once savage tribes that inhabited the Mojave.
@@IceNinja2007did we watch the same show? Just a heads up, they did not retcon those games at all. This from a guy who worked on all 3 of those. Not me, I barely touched FO1 and 2 and am not in the credits. Do some research.
@@IMRavnosthey didn’t technically retcon them all, but the desert is all wrong, it’s fissured ground in the games, and the factions are all bastardised, they did technically retcon FNV, but they’ll fix that next season when they take a lil peak at the timelinr
@@thotiusthemad5318 I think a lot of the issue is people not understanding that the show has flashbacks and doesn’t pop up 20 years ago or stuff. Also, some people seem confused on the dates. FNV was 20 years prior to when Lucy leaves Vault 33 ( I think ) ?
The creator of mad max said that even after the apocalypse, humans still make beautiful things. And thats why there was cool stuff everywhere. Bethesda has you believe everyone suddenly likes to live like methheads
Not saying every city has to be perfectly pristine, but you’d think that people would pick up the trash off the ground of their bar after 200 years if they want customers
It's crazy because people way overestimate how long it takes to fix stuff my only explanation is that they haven't done a days manual labor in their lives. Like you'll see people say "there are being attacked they don't have time to fix things" for one it's not like they're being attacked literally every day and two If I believe they're getting attacked every day it's even more inexcusable. There are giant ass holes in the side of houses that people live in, if they're really getting attacked so much surely they would patch up the holes in their houses for basic protection.
@@synthiandrakon and if you're being attacked every day, one would think that you'd shoot back. I mean seriously, they're raiders. They don't wear any sort of effective armor. Just pop them with a rifle. They'll run out of numbers much quicker than you'd think.
Or The skeletons. One of The first locations i came across was a Cafe containing 2 people. And in that Cafe there is a full skeleton. It was never removed. For 200 years.
No, Deathclaws/BoS/Radscorps; that's "Bethesda never changes". "War never changes" is about how Beth- er, I mean, mankind will always be destined to make the same ignorant mistakes over and over again... (real examples: going to war with one another, ultimately, nuking the world.
He'd hate it, probably. It pulls its lore and aesthetic from FO4 with references to the older entries. Essentially, they treat it like Disney treats Star Wars.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco I played the absolute fuck out of Fallout 2. It's one of my favourite games. Yes, it's chock full of pop culture references and it's much less dark than the first one. But it's a more lighthearted take on the same setting, not "the 50s never died and nobody has built even so much as a shack brand new since the bombs fell."
This echoes how I feel about the franchise to a large extent. It’s difficult to explain all of this to people who’d never heard of or cared about Fallout until 3. To them the third game is Fallout and its predecessors are just archaic versions of it. I don’t fault them, I merely disagree, but the point is Bethesda spawned a new generation of Fallout fans and it seems like even the TV show is squarely aimed at that audience. I don’t even see it as a continuous series anymore. Bethesda’s Fallout is a pastiche. Good or bad it’s materially different. The lineage of the series is not an unbroken path, it branched off and sadly led to cul-de-sacs while the mainstream branch continues forward. RIP Shamus, this was a well-articulated and insightful argument.
The image at 10:24 represents the idea perfectly. The bartender is busy cleaning the bar table, while the whole bar is just filled with rubble. Absurd. And not in a fun way.
One of my favorite details in NV is in one of the earlier towns. The place is named "Novac" but on closer inspection you'll notice it's because there's a very old sign which reads "No vacancy" next to the inn that just so happens to be missing the "ancy".
@dorispringlebrule There's another case like this in Fallout 3 where the town of Arefu is named after a sign nearby that originally read "Careful," but the C and L have weathered off
@@grizzlyanimationsthey don’t care.. they think fallout 3 is trash and new Vegas is gods nut.. they will never acknowledge how great 3 was and that without it there would be no new Vegas, they won’t acknowledge that without 3 they would have nowhere to start from 🤷♂️ they neeed to hate to feel better about their personal choices in entertainment.. in reality fallout 3 is more fun to play 🤷♂️ it’s dlc are more “fun” you actually play the game not just talk like in new Vegas 🤷♂️ I’m not young I’m 30 before u insult me , they are both good games.. whenever I see someone hate on 3 I automatically assume they don’t get laid because they are uptight 🤷♂️ can’t enjoy a game for what it is..
@@lonemaus562I'm gonna insult your reading comprehension. What in the flying fuck did the original comment or the reply say to prompt your message? Read them again and again if you have to, until you realize that your response makes you seem unhinged and as if you tied your personal identity and or sense of self worth to defending fallout 3. Cringe
Why more relevant thab ever? The last game still is FO76. And if you're talking about the TV show, it has actually none of the problems listed, it's great. You can tell they took references mostly from the west coast games.
Great points in video. Hopefully there are the original authors or team that gets the IP, or a new team that understands the IP and works on the new simulations and game. The IP needs to go to a new owner.
@Grym personally I play fo3 and nv in the ps3. Why? My dad doesn't have the money for a pc. We had bought the ps3 years ago. Not everyone can get into pc and that's something that NV community can't understand.
@Luke Thomas What you thought you said - "Gaming on consoles is so much more convenient, and I have to expend less effort to get the game to work." What you actually said - "I much prefer games built for the lowest common denominator, actually getting the best quality will always be less important to me then the speed at which I can turn on a cut down alternative version."
@@kekfreedomheritage5633 i would kind of like Microsoft to buy up the franchise, seeing as they have some of the old heads of the franchise on their payroll now. Obsidian does have its own issues, judging how Outer Worlds, their most recent game, loses its charm after one playthrough and has a bit of the same effect as Fallout 4, but I think that if they were handed back the franchise and were given a good amount of money, they could make fallout good again
I’m a mod author (writer) for a NV project and we regularly discuss how Fallout 3 and 4 are frustratingly “post apocalyptic” even though it’s been 200+ years since the bombs dropped. It’s also a big gripe of mine with the upcoming TV show. The whole point in New Vegas is that the west has pretty much rebuilt itself save for the major cities.
I was fine with it in 3 since it worked for its aesthetic which is amazing and I liked the variety of it after playing 2. There's some decent explanation for why the capital wasteland is so bad. But 4 and the TV show are less excusable and their aesthetics are gaudy
And the show proves it. They don't want civilization to flourish, they don't want change. They want the wasteland to keep on existing to endlessly create these boring settings for their games.
spoilers for the fallout show! To be fair though shady sands did exist as a large city that had a lot of people, but was completely leveled. There's an argument to be made that the theme is that the world cannot rebuild itself because the people are too busy engaged in constant warfare, but we can't be sure unless they continue with this theme into the future.
@JamesJennings-ki4wj Counter argument, that setting is from the OG Fallout games and to destroy it sends the message right out the window. If the places the player in the games had a hand in making better can't thrive, be it the NCR or Vegas, what does? Bethesda is too busy wanting money to ever put a definite answer on how to rebuild society.
@@Imanmagnet00 well like I said maybe the point is that they can't rebuild society because they just keep going to war with each other. If they're going for the "war is hell" angle that's something, but I don't have full faith in them that they're intentionally trying to do that. As for your last point, I guess at this point they don't really care about how society is rebuilt which is something I wish they would explore, but it is their IP, if they'd rather have it be just an anti-war series I guess that's up to them. I guess my point is that while I do agree with you and the video that the original idea of fallout is interesting, at this point Bethesda has created more content for it and owned the license longer than any other group. It's up to them how the story goes.
Do you not get that the world never improves in fallout because the constant bickering of factions. They literally said in the show. “Everyone wants to save the world they just disagree on how”
@jupitergaming5146 That's an excuse writers use to justify the lack of improvement. That's stagnation, as this video said. Regardless of the bickering, the main character has the means of solving that, like in New Vegas, where you finish the game by helping whichever faction you consider best for the Mojave. The appearance of Vegas in the show either means those choices were meaningless or they were pushed aside to give the narrative of the show more importance than that of the games that spawned it.
What Bethesda did is actually worse than just creative stagnation. It was a deliberate choice to turn the series into a theme-park version of itself, where every game has a checklist of a few mandatory elements and branding: caps, Brotherhood of Steel, super mutants, Vault Boy, vaults, vault dwellers, vault suits, feral ghouls in the tunnels, Nuka-Cola, and the 50s aesthetic. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bring the Enclave back.
Yeah they are dogshit at story telling. They basically have a template and people love their mediocrity. What also bugs me is their incredibly shitty UX and UI. Like the game reeks 2001 UX design decades later. You can't even argue its thematic because it shows even less than what Fallout 1 and 2 did.
@@alargecorgi2199 I never knew about Fallout 1 and 2. I started with Fallout 3 and I liked it because it wasnt a bad game for 2008. New Vegas was better a lil different. I really liked the aestetic, the pip boy character, and it was different experience compared to the usualy 2008-2010 period games. I liked it because it was different. It had atmosphere. But then I started reading on Wikiepedia about the Franchise and played both F1 and F2 and I realized That bethesda never invented anything new. Everything I liked about the BEthesda games was present in fallout 1 and 2 and I got it why old fans were so dissappointed. You are right about the engine. Its incredibly old engine that they just update with new textures and add code to it- but the reek is there- that clunky early 2000s feel is there. That annoying post click delay, that awkward mechanical zoom in to a NPC's upper body during dialogue. Then there is the awful perk system transition from Fallout 1 and 2. Every perk, every point spent made huge different in F 1 and F2. Every single point, everything I did made a difference. I had to bring up my calculator to actually caclulate things. I wouldnt mind if it was a little less relaxed but boy did bethesda made the the points u put up in every cathegory NOT COUNT. Once again you are right. the bugs are something everyon weirdly tolerates, the unexpected crashes midgame without players doing anything, the poor dialogue. The storylines are simply not comparable to 1 and 2. A kid looking for his scientist father or a 2077 man frozen in time looking for his son? In Fallout 4 I could literally look at an NPC and I already knew what was he/she about and how the conversation was gonna go. it was that predictable bland boring and sterotypical. A guy dressed in a baseball uniform- geee I bet he is related to a baseball quest somehow. Im glad people are waking realizing Fallout 76 wasnt a fluke and Starfiled is having negative overall review score on Steam. Good riddance and f them
My first playthrough of the Institute Playthrough I was honestly expecting the Institute to actually be the Enclave. Instead of giving us a villain reveal that could've been interesting. They just are Enclave but more loner types.
In Fallout 4, it is so hard to go to these different places and think people have realistically been trying to pick up the pieces, have families, and go on. The whole world is built just like you said, like the bombs went off last week.
Ok lets look at the facts. Theres the institute killing people and replacing them with synths. Theres mutated creatures. Theres super mutants. Theres raiders. Theres a fight for FOOD and WATER every day. Now explain who the fuck would have time to sit down and plan out a town or city. And even then begin construction WITHOUT being killed. And then if finished without it being destroyed by some conflict. I swear these comments have no fucking clue what fallout is
People seem to forget that they’re people out there trying to keep the capital wasteland lawless like the contract killers and talon company. In fallout 76, the capital Wasteland is known as “hell on earth.”
@@groundbird4904 That’s the story of Fallout 3 - Project Purity. The water is horrible in the Capital Wasteland and people want to clean it on a large scale. With the waters of life, hygiene will go up.
FNV business: Hello me and my wife own this place. You might see our kid around this small town. Normally we supply the caravans but we can serve the odd wanderer. Business in F4: I own this prime location in the middle of town despite being an insane robot. Nobody has just shot me yet, I sell only noodles.
That raises a good question. Why does the noodle robot take caps as currency if hes malfunctioning and isn't even running the business? It'd make more sense if he was making food for free which justifies his presence in the center of town and the city covers his supplies.
@@unusualusername8847 I have a rule when it comes to discussing fallout 4 writing. "Don't write for Bethesda!" If I bring up "Hey how come the are hundreds of super mutants if they came from failed experiments at the institute?" and someone responds "Well maybe they found more green stuff, or maybe the-" STOP does anyone explain that? Maybe a terminal text wall? No? Then don't head canon the lore for them, "Don't write for Bethesda!"
@@kierancraig7380 Y'know, if it didn't have a terrible monetization scheme. Bethesda really doesn't need as much money as they're getting from people who are stupid enough to buy anything after buying a full price game, at least Fallout 4 was a complete experience, excluding DLC, which is pretty standard. Fallout 76 is held back by it's terrible moneymaking methods and horribly outdated engine
kieran craig it’s not even remotely decent it’s mediocre at best and wastelanders isn’t going to save the game neither is the next update 76 will always be a lazy monetized fallout 4 port that shouldn’t have been realeased
Except the fact that _Fallout 4_ isn't even a good game in general. Even if you stripped the _Fallout_ IP from it, it would be a forgettable looter-shooter with mundane shooting mechanics and a boring "open"-world.
They would be little more than rubble and people would have built new towns by then. As in Fallout 1, as in Fallout 2, Van Buren and New Vegas. You notice the pattern?
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof Even with the rubble, in New Vegas makes sense with the squallor and gang warfare in Free side, or the fact its a wasteland in the other parts of the Mojave with the constant dust and such.
Well in my mind its such a harsh and dangerous wasteland that they arent able to establish well run cities and towns.. personally thats what I want in a fallout game, and I dont think 200 years is a very long time tbf, think of how small the population now is and all the dangers from monsters, radiation and raiders. Downtown dc in fo3 was ideal to me except maybe there should have been more settlments and it have been larger. All of the FO3 settlements seemed bang on to me excopt they could have been a bit larger, like that one on the bridge and the republic of dave.
@@Dareyouhow yea but thats reason y it shouldnt be like it is rivet city wasnt clean but the atmosphere they made in there it felt real like u see people there thangs shi like go to church at certain time go to diamond city they either open or close they aint there most likey sleeping thats it they can make it more immersive but y put in the work if u already got the money right
Dude you explained very clearly and on-point why Bethesda's Fallout world bothers me so much! And looking at the series, I don't think they'll ever change course, if anything, they are doubling-down!
Yes. 100%. Original and Obsidian Fallout games: Serve as an irritating reminder of just how stagnant and utterly stupid Bethesdas worldbuilding is in a setting where 200+ years have passed. Bethesda: Green lights a series that undermines all of the above so that now the West Coast resembles the stagnation and decay of Bethesdas inferior east coast. They even asspull the Brotherhood of Steel back to supremacy despite New Vegas establishing that they are a slowly dying isolationist cult. Fully expect them to asspull Supermutant hordes like they do on the East Coast. Bethout sucks and should be seperated from Fallout and declared non-canon.
In FNV the existence of Super Mutants are explained that they were former master followers that are searching a new home to live, and there is a two kind, that the keep being hostile to humans and those that search a peaceful place to livr. The BoS is actually a former shadow of itself, the Enclave is barely mentioned.
Correct and FNV takes place near F1 & 2 so there doesn't need to be alot of explanation as compared to either of those things ending up on the East Coast in a world where longhaul transportation isn't in great supply (especially for the more typically simple-minded Super Mutants). Bethesda can't even use the Vertibirds as a good method of moving all of the way across the country since it's established that they need to be refueled (unless they want to make of those Fallout Tactics BoS airships canon now).
"Imagine a world where law enforcement chases down smugglers with helicopter backpacks and city blocks migrate around with the help of massive steam engines while the mail is delivered by postmen flying around on bird-like flying machines." Bioshock: "Hold my beer."
Probably my prime example of Bethesda’s lack of understanding and care for the series is Jet a drug created in Fallout 2 and is a pretty vital component of New Reno’s story and a companion was even the creator of it. But Bethesda ended up retconning the creation of Jet to be a pre-war invention so it ends making the creation of Jet in 2 a coincidence and that nobody managed to find pre-war Jet and reverse engineered it. I could understand Jet making it across postwar America but making a postwar invention into a prewar thing shows how stuck in the past Bethesda is.
I can definitely agree with the stagnation part. In FO4 you exit the vault 200 years after the bombs dropped, and the world looks like it just happened last week.
@@ombelle5284I'm really hoping that Bethesda will take advantage of the new updated engine and FINALLY add some apocalyptic civilisation to the world.
Yeah, there is about as much time between when the bombs fell to when fo4 starts then between you and I and the end of the industrial revolution. That's more than enough time to rebuild the world.
Maybe its something like mad max where the evil people built and fucked up the world after a few years and stayed in those sick mentalities keeping the world in disaster while the few good try to rebuild i can see that happening its hard to rebuild when humanity is trash 99 percent of the time and loves destruction even now its been years since damaged building and etc have been fixed instead rats are and roaches are taking over and people are going down and even new york has become disgusting rather thqn looking more futuristic people like going backwards when they can do whatever
"Man i'm gonna get so much hate for criticizing this popular franchise" Meanwhile in the fallout fandom: "Doesn't matter how much we beat it down it keeps twitching"
Came back to this video after seeing New Vegas trending on twitter, and finding out why. With the TV show, Bethesda is now getting their Bethesda all over the West Coast canon.
Mark my words, the East Coast Brotherhood is just going to roll over the West Coast when they pull up on the Prydwen and basically destroy any trace of the old West Coast lore and world building. The Brotherhood is going to be even MORE prominent than they are already. The Enclave is going to pull a Star Wars 9 and just "come back" and Super Mutants are going to be post-apocalypse orcs again. And it's going to be awful.
@DeepestDankest already happened, the airship in the trailers that was the Caswennen or something like that is now just the Prydwen, BoS and Enclave are major factions on the west again despite dying out in NV, NCR “didn’t work out” despite being a country with multiple cities and at least a million citizens, and Vault Tek/The Enclave nuked the NCR’s Capital because they were “competition.”
I came back after wasting three hours of my life actually watched the new "Fallout" tv show, and sadly this video still got it right after four years, you will be missed Shamus Young.
I’ve said it before: Bethesda sees Fallout as an aesthetic, instead of a world. That’s why we get the same 10 monsters with new textures each release, and why Fallout 4 only has two cities. I almost wonder if Bethesda wanted to do away with cities entirely - it seems like they didn’t know what to do with Diamond City.
Yeah, I think Bethesda is more interested in the visual iconography of a Fallout world that's still reeling from the bombs. They are less interested in actually moving things forward or exploring deeper themes of Fallout.
I love Fallout 4, because its trashness makes Fallout New Vegas look even more appealing than it already is. It's such a rich world, despite being forced to release ahead of completion. The DLC's are amazing and adds even more goodness to the base game, which did not feel that empty even though it's a literal desert.
They ruined they ruined the Deathclaw for me my first Fallout was Fallout 3 and when I stumbled across them for the first time they scared the shit out of me then I come to F:NV Quary Junction Deathclaws I've never tried to run away from something so fast ever not even in Fallout 3 yeah I know they exist but it was whether I would run into them that got me Fallout 4 made them look badass but they made them so common for me it took away the fear factor. Plus Bethesda has retconed Fallout lore and their own they are destroying the franchise.
This can't be...I just found out about this man's channel and now you're telling me he's gone? Good lord... _Requiescat in pace, Shamus._ This was an excellent analysis, and I hope many take heart on its excellent points ='(
You're spot on man. Games like Fallout has to not only hold a sense of realism but the story has to make sense or else everything goes. It would only make sense for ghouls who were there around 2077 to hold the culture of the 1950s.
Um. 2077 art work. Magazines. Books. Etc. plenty of shit to take inspiration from. And even then raiders and the like dont even remotely look like anything from the 50's. I may be wrong tho but big spiky mohawks werent a thing back then. Again i may be wrong. Point im making is the style is alive and well through art and those in the vaults who may have simply carried over the style. Pretty simple
@@mfegs_ The ruins of old California hold a rusted, weathered semblance of the 1950s. The people of new California are the rusted and weathered of the 2160s. One is a reminder. The other is reality. Fallout 1 focuses on the reality.
It feels to me like Bethesda just thinks that time goes backwards in the Fallout universe or something Like 200 years after the war and people are still living under piles of debris with pre-war skeletons littered around, while only 30 years after they have the Whitesprings Resort doing well enough themselves that they have resources to spare and send across half the country AND all the C.A.M.Ps that are more technologically advanced than even what the Enclave has! While half the map is still on fire!
The most hilarious and ironic part of it to me is how much Bethesda hams up the Vault Boy like he's not only the Mickey Mouse of the series, but even the world itself. The Vault Boy was a dark parody of using public-friendly iconography to mask the horror of series subject matter like nuclear death. He's a lot more cynical. Imagine a company putting like Duckman or Bojack Horseman on shirts and lunchboxes as a fun mascot for kids.
He fits in an ironic and meta way nowadays. He was a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company and nowadays he is a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company that wants to sell you virtual furniture in a broken game.
I other wondered what a fantasy midevil rpg made by the same team that made fallout 1 would look like specifically the vault boy character but in midevil situations with magic and stuff. Somebody please make this game.
@@robmoye5192 It's not exactly what you're looking for but they did make Arcanum, which had the basic premise of "what if the industrial revolution, but also magic".
had fallout 3 been earlier in the time line alot of that would not be an issue. but beheads thinking no one is gonna fix anything after 200 years when fallout 1,2 and nv show them rebuilding. just makes the Bethesda games look worse.
@@mr.rufasi2729 Are there no people with the knowledge to move the fucking dead body in their house? Or sweep the floor from time to time? Besides, if they can create improvised weapons, they can build something resembling a human dwelling.
Exactly, people are fine with living in surprisingly shit conditions- I.e. no toilets and rubbish everywhere. If that’s how you’ve always lived your going to be fine with it. You could argue that because the war is such a long time ago, the way people view things like rubbish and stuff are different
Well, the zombies (scorched) are irradiated humans, and there were a hell of a lot humans compared to region-specific, unique creatures like the Grafton monster.
They could of at least made some mechanics that prove you would be the only one able to access those areas since then , maybe locks and codes and some semi working tech that would apply
You didn't mention the most obnoxious thing about Bethesda's re-use of bottle caps, Shamus. In Fallout 1 they weren't just "an ad hoc currency", they symbolised the dominance of the Water Merchants over the SoCal economy. By Fallout 2, clean water is much more available and the world is safer. The Water Merchants' hold is broken, the NCR becomes a fledgling state who, as such, immediately bring back the printed dollar. What makes Fallout 3's recycling of bottle caps so galling is that not only are there no Water Merchants to use them as their symbol, there being no clean drinking water is the main plot point of the story!
Good point. Heck, the NCR then didn't even print dollars. They had gold backed currency, and for post-apoc terms, this is absolutely HUGE. It meant that they had trade routes to places capable of mining gold (Redding), the capability of making said gold coins, AND pretty much dominated the economy of the Core Region. One would think 3 would totally have Water Merchants of some sort, considering how the absence of water is such a huge plot.
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 good points, all. At least we got New Vegas as a proper sequel to the OG Fallouts, we're lucky Bethesda even allowed that. Doubt it'll ever happen again!
After watching this video I really did think about the super mutants. I thought it was kind of a stretch to have them in Fallout 3, but I accepted that they'd been made in a slightly different way. Once I found out The Institute had been making super mutants in Fallout 4 I felt like it was much more of a stretch, even back in 2015 when it first came out. Imagine if Bethesda hadn't completely brought super mutants back for 3 or 4, but instead had just put a single Mariposa super mutant in one of those games and he's only there because he wants to be as far from California as possible. Imagine how interesting it would have been to see this mutant, probably one of the last of his kind, so far from the place he was created, something people who played the old games could look at and go "Wow, I remember these guys, it's crazy that one of them is all the way on the East coast!"
I wish they would completely remaster it. Same stuff. Just brought up to date graphics. But beautiful, controversial nitty gritty back alley streets of New Vegas
"the glowing sea ... this haunted hellscape felt like an idea that would have been right at home in the old fallout games" you mean like *The Glow* from fallout 1
I loved the glow in the original game. So haunting, paired with the radiation system it was downright menacing. I had to go back to an earlier save because I looted everything there, then died when I tried to travel, because of the radiation.
Draithegemini Well I played through Fallout 1 about 3 or 4 times and I got into trouble every time I tried to loot the place. 😅 My first Fallout was F3 about 10 years ago (I’m 21). Needless to say, that experience didn’t help in my first F1 play through.
@@GrosvnerMcaffrey I feel the same way. I thought thatd be where the special freaks would be but by the time you get there you have power armour and enough weapons to get by easily
It’s become something of a tradition of mine to return to this video every time Bethesda vomits out some new abomination, but the Amazon series essentially retconning all of Fallout New Vegas is the only one that has actually upset me.
Forget New Vegas. They retconned huge swaths of the two original games. The Boneyard doesn't exist, Shady Sands is now in LA, the Master somehow didn't find a bunch of vaults right in the middle of his city, the NCR was basically just a city-state based around Shady Sands and collapses completely when that one town is nuked.
@@hiybbprqagyou do realize that the entire show doesnt take place in LA, right? Only the ending and flashback do. That’d be like saying Fallout 4 only takes place in the city of Boston. There’s not much that directly contradicts 1 and 2 besides what Bethesda has already changed and complaining about that is stupid as fuck. This entire video is just sad as if subtlety automatically makes something much greater.
Coming back to this after the release of the tv show… Bethesda’s fundamental misunderstanding of the IP makes me sadder and sadder with every subsequent release, was really praying that the show would be more faithful to the original games not just Bethesdas versions of fallout, that end scene, truly insane choice to have New Vegas, the beacon of what this video is about, be nothing more than a ruined hollow shell of what it’s meant to be. The ultimate gut punch to fans, what a kick in the head…
Its interesting hearing these opinions. I had no clue people felt this way about the show. I actually loved it and is my favorite game adaption. It nailed bethesdas fallout. Which works really well in live action.
@@Whatacomedian_ The show does fine for what it is, but I feel it's far to kitsch and *'reddit dark comedy'* that feels more like this was meant to be a Borderlands show, and not a serious post-post apocalyptic character driven drama in the fallout universe (obviously the series has always had some corny stuff in it but the Show goes too far with it) this is without going into all the lore shenanigans it's mangled
it kinda reminds me of when silent hill re-used monsters like the nurses and pyramid head despite the fact that it made no sense in the context of the story but purely becasue they were iconic
@@VicBaws not sure what you mean by this, SH1 and SH2 have completely different monsters. Sure, SH1 has nurses, but they're entirely different in look and symbolism.
Interesting that you didn't even mention that Fallout 2 went out of its way to end the "bottle caps currency" thing, even lamp shading it in a side quest. (FO: Tactics also did not use bottle caps.)
Ah yeah,the side quest where you get 5000 caps as a "treasure" but they barely sell for any real currency,I never knew that quest was that smart,mainly because the point was overshadowed by the humor involving the quest
@@lCore17 Pre-war money isn't a currency in FNV. Sure it's valuable and kinda works but it's not treated as a currency. In the game 1 Denarius is worth $10 NCR those are worth 4 Caps and vice versa, that set value never changes regardless of your barter skill while pre-war money isn't considered a currency but a regular item by the game, thus your barter skill affects it's price.
@@kersacoft mate do you understand how currency works? Those bills have a value and are traded for goods and services. Great. That makes them money. Not hard to understand tosspot
@@IKMojito but you can't barter 1 pound for more than its worth in the real world like you can with pre war money in NV. Just because its a piece of paper with "money" written on it doesn't inherently make it a broadly acknowledged currency.
@@billyray9925 i just despise the guys so hard i keep obliterating them every time without much interaction, aside from Caesar, who I attempted to serve but failed to be swayed.
@@cowbless Hating the legion is made easy because they have lost a lot of content because of time restrictions. Have you talked to Ceasar about his plans and the other groups? You can't really judge the faction without listening and thinking about what he has to tell.
You can actually generalize that video title some more: "Todd Howard doesn't understand Role Playing Games". Not understanding Fallout is just part of that.
If Todd Howard was a DM he would be the kind that railroads his players to the nth degree so that they don't ruin his carefully crafted story setpieces
Hopefully between the hype from the Fallout show and the Microsoft acquisition, Microsoft will let another studio (maybe Obsidian again) work on a new spinoff Fallout game.
Drog .NDTrax not true the prequels were good they had heart the new movies are mindless cash grabs with activism thrown in also they had so much potential but disney bowed to china and lessened fins role because of the color of his skin talk about messed up.
Shamus: "You don't just create a quest that goes like 'This monster sucks, go shoot it for me.' " Borderlands franchise: *That's where you're wrong buddy.*
@@AyoxinBlake Yea, they don't. But many of those quests still feel very shoddy and lack some depth. And that is coming from someone that completed all the games except for BL3 including all quests, DLCs and those headhunterz cashgrabs.
@@john_smith_john ...And...? I didn't say they are good. But they managed to sell them pretty well. Just like Bethesda is selling their trashy half-made games.
"War, War never changes - men do, through the roads they walk" -Ulysses. This line made me realize that Fallout New Vegas is the real end of the franchise (Interplay/Obsidian) It answer the most iconic phrase in a bitter sweet note.
That is so true. People never push you into the person you are, YOU push yourself to the person you are from the choices you make and the way you deal with things.
@@syloui Valve at least made a new engine, even two. The fact that their games live for a long time so they have to use the same engine is a different thing.
They dont really need a new engine but they need to update the one they have. Most "new" engines aren't fresh made from the ground up but just improved versions of what the developers used before
And all of these errors have bled right over into the Fallout show on Amazon. It's a frick'en nightmare of a TV show. High production values, sure. But at it's core it's a mess.
I loved the show and happy with fallout 3 & even more so 4. It lacks features but mods can fix it. Never played 1 or 2 nor vegas, which looked so bland
@@skydivin4ng3l You can argue the F1&2 are a hard pill to swallow for new players, but they can be everything except bland my brother in Christ. Even a more insane take for NV that is a F3 in steroids with the storytelling of the first twos. Give it a shot
This may be the best commentary I have seen on fallout. I hate that I saw it 3 yrs later. I clicked it assuming the NV angst I see alot, but this is one of the best complaint videos I have seen. I feel like you hit every nerve that got me on fallout games, and addressed them well with solutions.
I'm glad I'm not the only whose always been annoyed at how everyone in Bethesda's Fallout games just lives in garbage. The more you think about the more ridiculous it seems that multiple generations of people were born, grew up, had families, died, their children grew up etc just living ankle-deep in garbage that was never cleaned up or repurposed or fixed or anything. Even in their own homes. Like somehow the collapse of civilization means nobody will ever clean anything ever again.
Agreeing 100%. This is one of the biggest examples of the bethesda idiotism,. And the skeletons, everywhere. Had to learn how to use console commands to remove them.
@@korpienmahtijullit7508 The skeletons make more sense in fallout 3 as basically the whole city is a no go area but in fallout 4 you'd think they have made the cities settlements larger and less ruined. like where do all the fucking people live in diamond city? Or goodneighbor and come on goodneighbor 🤦♂️it's literally an alley with 2 stores Ive seen people build whole damn cities in Minecraft but Bethesda can barely do it. New Vegas didn't get the best of cities well none at all, Vegas wasn't the best but I loved the atmosphere of East and North Vegas as they were the slums but unfortunately obsidian didn't get enough time to do more to then what they did to make new Vegas even better.
@Electronic Oh good old Bethesda fan boys and their criticism of personal and or physical attributes because they can't accept that the company haven't made a good release since Oblivion 😂 and Fallout 3 only counts if you have the DLCs and Skyrim is overrated 🤷♂️
I got exposed to Fallout 1/2/Tactics about 5 years before 3 came out, and I was still in High-School when 3 was released so I was just giddy to get a new game. The more time has passed though, the more the settings of 3/4 bother me. Like Drakkel and the video said, everyone is just living in garbage and there are almost no real settlements in the Bethesda games. If Bethesda wanted people to play around with skellingtons and rubble everywhere, I think they should've set the games 40-80 years after the bombs, not 200 years. It wouldn't fix all the problems, but at least the scenery would make a bit more sense.
@@NakAlienEd like I said fallout 3s skeletons make alot more sense but in fallout 4 you'd think the city was more progressive as two whole settlements are within the city ? But no settlements are within fallout 3s city although I still would say I'd rather play New Vegas any day if I wanted a true experience of an RPG
The advancement of society between F1, 2 and New Vegas always logically made sense to me. Fallout 1 takes place a little less than a century after the war so yes things still suck but people are actually trying to live. They’ve built walled villages, started farming, trading with others that have done the same, cleaning up, etc… Fallout 2 is set another 80 years later. The threat of the Master is gone, already established towns have grown, the population has grown, more technology has been rediscovered/reinvented and the larger factions are actually trying to restore some semblance of order to the world and New Vegas does the same thing while also introducing the idea of new conflicting powers based on different ideals. Fallout 3 laughs at this idea and says “Haha no actually no one over here has really done that. Everyone is still barely scraping by and using the same garbage they’ve used since the bombs fell and they have no plans to change this”
New Vegas actually fits in the same category as Fallout 3 and 4. Casino city in the middle of the desert and it actually flurishes for some stupid reason.
I mean, when you realize all the settlements in the Capital Wasteland has no reliable source of food or water, no means of effective transportation, barely any trade or interaction with each other, and are surrounded by a hostile wasteland full of Deathclaws, Supermutants, and Feral Ghouls - it does kind of make sense that their society hasn't progressed anywhere. The bigger surprise is how any of those settlements are even still alive.
@@LadyDoomsinger Fallout 4s story is also pretty understandable. Boston was once a pretty chill place until the minutemen were attacked by gunners and on top of that were betrayed by some of their comrades. Boston is also a brutal place with raiders everywhere. Interplays titles are more unrealistic in this case, They never really elaborate how such centralised structures like the NCR survive. A real post apocalyptic society would be either led by a dictatorship or be just a few city states with lose bonds between each other. The Boston commonwealth and Washington DC are the best depictions of how things would look like in a unstable environment.
@@derunfassbarebielecki It was honestly meant as a joke, not justification. The lack of food, water, trade, etc. is entirely due to Bethesda's flawed worldbuilding, not a deliberate design or narrative choice.
@@LadyDoomsinger The nuclear winter caused by a full on nuclear world war would kill most plants, fungi, bacteria and animals. A local conflict can put us already in a ice age lasting decades. Trust me, a nuclear war creates these shortages. Creating structures which go beyond a bunch of neighbouring settlements is almost impossible and if such were formed, they would be short lived. In both 3 and 4 such structures actually existed, but they were short lived as expected.
One issue with this video is how it covers Fallout 2, in that game the NCR is the main faction, your aide in the first game led to Shady Sands becoming a proper country who’s coinage is the main currency of the wasteland, meanwhile Super Mutants are starting to slowly go extinct without The Master, and The Brotherhood has fallen into stagnation and is starting to die out, the idea that they somehow made it to the East Coast is insane. These story lines are continued further in New Vegas, the super mutants led by Marcus from Fallout 2 have fled east into the Mojave, and while the Brotherhood managed to somehow destroy the NCR’s gold supply the NCR won the war against the Brotherhood who are now having population issues. The same is true with The Enclave, they were introduced in Fallout 2 and got their shit beaten so bad their only presence on the west coast is 5 scattered and largely disillusioned old timers pushing 70-80 years old and Arcade Gannon who’s really just an army brat. Cut to the Fallout TV show and oh boy did Bethesda make an absolute mess out of the West Coast.
Bethesda went overboard with the retro-futurism. Fallout 1-2 did it perfect. Mixed in a dystopian wasteland with pre-war retro-futurism and a very dark aesthetic. Fallout 1-2 really feel like a wasteland. Even the audiologs are immersive in the originals.
@@alejandroelluxray5298 And I'm not arguing with that. But people are acting like Obsidian is this altruistic, godlike company that doesn't care about the money even a little bit. It's not.
The biggest "unoriginality" issue that I've noticed with fallout 4 is that Bethesda literally took a sidequest from 3 and turned it into the entire main quest line with the synths and the institute
I've always looked at it differently, see I found it interesting that a small side quest in one game, could have potential lasting effects in another. Take for example in fallout 4, the brotherhood of steel take that military base for stockpile of mini nukes, in another game down the line we could see a game with them as the antagonist virtually unstoppable, or as the protagonist. The little hints and references have always been nice.
It's funny because when I played 3 I completely missed that quest an i used to play that game religiously and only after fallout 4 did i realize the quest was there and it was pretty surreal
You know at first I thought that was cool, like that sidequest in Fallout 3 was building up to something bigger, then Fallout 4 came out and the main quest was completely underwhelming.
Great video. A lot of games today suffer from the world-building issues you've critiqued here. You could be roaming around enjoying the game world and it's towns, but it all starts to seem rather silly the moment you stop and ask "Hey, what do these people eat? Where do they sleep? What is their motivation for living in this particular area? Why set up a town in an active volcano without incorporating that into the story?" etc
Even the creators of D&D maps had this problem. Build a city near a water source? Nah... just evenly space them around the nonsense terrain features with an equal ratio of mountains, forest, and deserts... for variety.
@@hunnid17 they basically year 0'd the west coast into the east coast (Undid the rebuilding and civilisations of the west coast like the NCR, returned everything to raiders and complete chaos, brought back the Enclave *yet again* brought in the east coast brotherhood *yet again* then in terms of just stupid additions/retconns, we have non-descript ghoul juice, Shady sands being teleported into the boneyard, Shady sands "falling" before the 1st battle of Hoover dam, inventing 3 new vaults outside of LA that somehow *didn't* get raided and abducted by the master, etc it's one of those situations where if you're a really casual fallout fan or even someone who knows nothing of the series; you can enjoy it as it does have some merits, but for a much more serious fan (especially those whom lean more towards the Obsidian/Interplay games) it's seen as a smack in the face.
"Maybe the bottlecaps migrated." "What, on their own?" "Maybe they were carried by a radscorpion." "How?" "In its pinchers!" "Look, it's not a matter of leverage....!"
The bottle caps were everywhere, nuka cola was a national, if not transnational corporation, it was said there was a vending machine on every street in America, so of course there would be plentiful bottlecaps
@@XoneIsACoolDude the development cycle for fallout 2 was like one year after fallout 1 dude, so I don't see your point and NV had all the work of creating unique models pretty much done by bethesda, besides that they couldn't really fix the janky fallout 3 combat except for more weapon variety and enemies, which was pretty fun.
The 50s aesthetic was just to establish the limited technology you have in the game as well as environment. But the plot is supposed to be its own thing, about rebuilding. I even saw a concept where in new Vegas, people are trying to make new music and there are musicians, and they eventually end up making 60s-70s music, with its themes of rebellion and change from traditional music.
Oh man, the breakdown of retro-futurism was so good. It doesn't hurt that this is happening all the time as people speculate, make artifacts, and judge the present based on the hopes of the past.
@@physical_insanity Rome isn't either of those things, if it was then I would say its a precursor but that is a naive view on it. Rome holds a special place in hearts of westerners but everyone takes away different things. Almost all countries are founded on what their inception of what Rome was with only a couple of exceptions, and they all got it wrong even shortly after the fall of the western empire the Frankish Carolingians and the German Otto the Great founded the Holy Roman empire without understanding how the Roman Empire functioned, their idea of a feudal society was nothing like what the Romans had, which is even more ridiculous because the Byzantine Empire existed who was just a continuation of the Eastern empire but even they changed over time. So the feudal kingdoms of Europe saw themselves as based on the Romans but missed understood everything but the same is true for republics based on Rome Venice, United Provinces, and the USA based themselves on what they thought the Roman republic was but were incorrect, they were closer than the feudal kingdoms were but they culture was still different so the governments were different too. The same is true for fascism the fascist looked at Rome and tried to imitate the results and the aesthetic but that was really it. They didn't understand the Romans they only understood that they conquered a lot and looked really cool. TL:DR - Pretty much all governments in the west are based on what people thought the Romans were like but they failed because they wither cherry-picked/ didn't actually understand it/ were too different to truly imitate it
You´ll just love Mutant Year Zero then. It´s all about the postapocalypse and how the fear of war in the past is now misguiding a apocalypse worshipping sect into seeing the nukes as something holy and godgiven, salvation in total destruction. And it´s only up to you and your group of slowly unlocking stalker friends to stop them. It´s more fair then X-Com 2 and normal mode is quite beginner-friendly althrough i´m already sweating on hard
Unlike the other things, Nick Valentine actually makes sense as an old-world detective because he's got the memories and personality of a detective who was kidnapped and killed by the institute shortly before the bombs dropped. Also, it's new. Nowhere else have we seen robots that look like zombies and act like humans, and that's why he's amazing.
the institute and synths are new and interesting, they even have the "are they people or abominations" thing which whilst i think is a bit over done, it does fit with fallout given the other abominations mankind has made trying to make the world better.
I loved goodsprings There were farm houses The actually important buildings were right in front of you and felt like an actual place. Megaton feels like a giant hunk of metal Sure it always felt like there was something to do but that was because I couldn't for the life of me remember the layout. The only reason i liked it was because i could nuke it, It had all those important NPC's like Moira and Moriarty and I could decimate it if i felt like it.
The baseball guy may be a one note jokey character for you; but as someone from Massachusetts let me tell you, it's an every day occurrence. These types of guys would definitely survive the apocalypse in the basement of a Dunkin Donuts.
I loved the feel of Shady Sands and other Fallout 1 locations, reminded me of a star wars type planet like Tatooine. Life's dangerous but people carry on.
Adobe architecture finding a new home in the wastes was a sight to see, first time I tried Fallout. Immediately got a mod that replaced some key buildings with Adobe style houses/structures in New Vegas.
Shady Sands was based on early Sumerian cities (map screen even had art in that style of a man in the tunic holding a spear} it's evolution to NCR in fallout 2 also (from a farming village to a city state)
That was kinda whole point of Fallout universe. People were building up societies. The first game was 80 years after bombs. So very few people outside monsters(ghouls) could even remember what was before... Instead they would be striving to make best out of their lives.
“My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a postnuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun” - Tim Cain, Producer and Lead Programmer for Interplay/Black Isle Studios “Violence is funny! Let’s all just own up to it! Violence done well is fucking hilarious. It’s like Itchy and Scratchy or Jackass - now that’s funny!” - Todd Howard, console player and marketing expert
Todd is the opposite of an artist. He rose to prominence by dumbing down and monetizing as many game aspects as possible. There's an interview with him about Skyrim where, in so many words, he expresses his major disappointment that there was no base way to monetize it ala Creation Club over its years of massive success.
You're giving Todd waaaay more credit by attributing "violence is funny" to him Look at Borderlands 2. Now, that is a game where violence _is_ funny. FO3 and FO4 does not even approach that game.
@@TaRAAASHBAGS There's a Morrowind retrospective where Michael Kirkbride talks about how he had to trick Todd into allowing creative monster designs. Michael would draw up some crazy monster that he knew Todd wouldn't like, then when he said no, he'd come back with the design he originally wanted, and Todd would okay it. I always thought that spoke volumes about both men.
With the success of Skyrim, I'm expecting Elder Scrolls 6 to also have dragons, fus-ro-dah and nordsmen, even if the game is set in a desert because they can't think of something new to replace those things.
It was extremely disappointing going from Skyrim to Morrowind, seeing Morrowind have an interesting take on the "chosen one" stuff, with how you might as well just be some dude who happened to just fulfill this prophecy because you just happen to be immune to some infection, and that past "chosen ones" actually failed, and that people are extremely sceptical/don't care of your claim, with the major houses only endorsing you once you do their dirty work for them, as they only care for their best interests... To Skyrim where, you are the chosen one because you happened to be nearby and absorbed a dragon's soul and can now shout.... Therefore you are the chosen one that everyone just accepts it and cheers you on in the most generic "chosen one" storyline.
@@camycamera and yet, even as the chosen one, you still hav eto go jail if you steal an apple or become public enemy number one if you accidentally hit a chicken.
At the end where you put "Don't EVEN get me started on how the ran the whole 'War never changes' phrase into the ground." It made me realize how different it meant when FNV quoted it and when F4 quoted it. FNV felt very melancholy compared to F4.
@@Ludovicus1769 it has a " let go of the past." meta narrative through out the main game and dlc. which can be seen as obsidian telling fans to let go of fallout in general.
My favourite juxtaposition between Bethesda and Obsidian: In Fallout 4 there was a stupid quest where a ghoul kid sat in a fridge for two hundred years and you return him to his ghoul family, about ten minutes walk away.
Fallout New Vegas had a charred corpse in a fridge wearing the Indiana Jones hat.
Lol
Bethesda just casually ignoring the fact that ghouls still need to eat and drink.
@@FiveTwoSevenTHR I choose to believe that he survived off of mold growing in the fridge, and drank pee.
@@genericname2747he was a big fan of bear Grylls
@@FiveTwoSevenTHR Hell, they don't even understand the simplest mechanics involving firearms.
Even as a 12 year old kid it always bothered me that nobody in the Bethesda Fallout universe ever had the idea to maybe clear some rubble and rebuild damaged parts of pre war buildings
Yeah like it’s been over 200 years and they did no building or if they did it looks like a pile of trash with no water, no food and dirty as fuck. 200 years is almost the same as from independence of US to this days WTF were they doing?
Go play with Lincoln logs you little bch.
I want to see you clear rubble and hull trash across the Commonwealth and Wasteland while you got raiders, Supermutants, everything else shooting at you.
For that reason I had to download the mods "Clean Sanctuary" and "Clean Nuka World". I tried telling those settlers to pick up that trash, but they were always busy whining about not having beds.
if they set the game like 50 years after it would be fine
I can’t believe TH-cam recommended this to me, i watched it all, went to his channel and then saw he passed away. Rest in peace
Hes dead? This is my first video if this channel
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@@totalygamingtemplar Same. :(
Nice glad to hear some good news
@@Boatanga stop harassing me
I had a real trouble figuring out or making sense when FO3 was playing as of what the exact timeline is and when was this nuclear war. I tried to explain it to my brother, when I finally got it and he asked "So, nobody cleaned up area for 100s of years?"
I’ve honestly wondered why FO3 wasn’t set between FO1 and FO2 on the timeline. There’s no reason why there cannot be events occurring in parallel on the timeline in different regions. Even the representative for The Brotherhood of Steel in FO1 told you there were chapters of the organization in various regions.
this is how stupid they think we are. And guess what? They were right. 99% of the younger people that never played 1 or 2 ate that shit right up.
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes yep,should have taken place between 1 and 2,would have made more sense
Radiation is a bitch
@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes theres tons of evidence that fo3 was originally going to take place 20 years after the war, which would explain literally everything.
Bottle caps were not used in currency in Fallout 2. They had actual money (coins) issued by NCR. There was even a quest where you found an 'old treasure' at it turned out to be thousands of bottle caps, now worthless. :D
new vegas went even further and added different currencies for different factions. bethesda is only tryin to milk the franchise
@@Zen-rw2fz But you could use caps though. I would never spend caps because some things can only be brought with caps. I would barter things that Id found that I didnt need for caps and goods. I don't really feel like they tried to do away with it
@@matttheamerican3766 this was explained in the lore that the brotherhood blew up the NCRs gold reserve which tanked their economy
Because Bethesda loves iconography regardless of meaning. So caps, super mutants, Brotherhood of Steel, they all have to be around even if they shouldn't make sense on the east coast because we've got merch to sell!
@@Modern_Robot Well, yes, basically that.
Terribly accurate.
"This was supposed to be a series about the wild world that emerged from the ashes of nuclear fire, Bethesda thought it was about the ashes."
I wouldn't say that is accurate. Very beginning of the video he complains that the culture is like that of the 1950's and talks about Retrofuturism and how Fallout doesn't do that under Bethesda... but it does. People in the 1950's pictured their ideals continuing on into their future in their thoughts about their future it was in exhibits like the worlds fair. And Bethesda carried their culture into their time period. As well, they also did do things that equate to retro futurism with the series including making the giant freedom prime robot that would have looked like a toy you sent boxtops in for, the Aliens and their convoluted plan to take over the world.
I can fault Bethesda for some good amount of things but I can't really get on them for their atmosphere and world building... it was pretty spot on. I can fault them for recycling the find your son and find your dad plot point though and plenty of other things.
@@chaosdirge4906 and
@@chaosdirge4906 Bethesda's worldbuilding is absolutely terrible and nonsensical. This meme that Bethesda has good worldbuilding needs to die or people don't understand what goes into actual good worldbuilding.
@@okagron I disagree, I think they have great worldbuilding. a lot of their lore for their games is interesting. Its not a meme that they have great worldbuilding, its just an opinion. and you can have yours but I find their lore entertaining.
@@chaosdirge4906 The stuff like giant robots, green aliens, and giant man eating ants created on an accident by a scientis trying to find some world saving formula is not retrofuturism, its science fiction, witch is again, bethesda looking over at 50's trends and saying "yeah, lets put that in our game"
Someone at Bethesda needs to watch this video for Fallout 5
Too late. They don't care. Just look at the recent Fallout TV series they made....
@@Mistrinho7 that's a pretty good show
Was a great show.
Fallout 2: people have built entirely new villages
Fallout 4: Picking up trash is hard
that's why i usually use "disable" on rubble that shouldn't be there for 210 years. Though some of them are actually not a separate object from the game world, some rubbles are actually hiding a big hole that could glitched you out of the game's world.
@@KoeSeermy
East coasters are just lazy
So glad I wasn't the only one thinking this
When I think about that whole "why is Fallout 3's capital wasteland full of rubble so long after the war?" I think back on actual history. Berlin after WW2 was basically like the capital wasteland in large parts. You can check out actual footage of somebody driving through the city like a year after the war ended and see piles and piles of rubble and half destroyed buildings. But there's something else you can see too. People had gone back to semi-normal life, clearing out the rubble and trying to move on and rebuild. It's absolutely implausible that the capital wasteland would still be this much of a wasteland in Fallout 3. Bethesda should've set the game to a moment in time more close to the end of the war if this is what the wanted the game to be.
FO3: Your dad's super important so you have to go find him
FO4: Your son's super important so you have to go find him
FONV: Benny shot you in the head, welcome to Vegas.
FO3: Family is important
FO4: Family is important
FONV: Revenge and a MacGuffin are important
NV is still my favorite Fallout however I'm really hyped for the fan remake Fallout 4 New Vegas to release. I wanna play Vegas with modern graphics, physics, and gunplay.
i assumed fo3 was going to be like new vegas so immersed myself hard, meh
the story was dissappointing. Couldnt even shoot my father for basically resulting in everyones death, wouldve been perfectly reasonable to shoot him.
@@comicsans1689 It's not about revenge, you don't have to do that if you don't want, nobody is waiting for you, the world is not in you, you are in the world.
Explains why they don't understand it soo much that they looked at Shady Sands growing and trying to rebuild society and decide to make it stagnant like their setting by literally nuking it out of canon
That doesn’t make sense. They nuked the town from Fallout 1, just to make the series a Reboot?
@@KaosNova2 Many feel Bethesda just wants to erase NV's success by making the game's events non-canon, but I feel it might be more to incompetence... remember this is the same studio that gave Vault 95 Jet despite it being invented by Myron after the war
@@KaosNova2There's a scene in the fallout tv show with a timeline on a chalkboard. It reads "The fall of shady sands, 2277" and then points to a nuclear explosion. NuFallout fans are coping by saying that the nukes OBVIOUSLY came after, but anyone with a half functioning brain can see that "the fall of Shady Sands" is a very real event that happened.
@@Nakeethus_Hunterthey want to erase New Vegas by putting the show in socal, featuring Mr House and ending the show with a view of…New Vegas?
@@valance10 I know, lol, the “media literacy” NPC’s. It isn’t clear at all as there should’ve been a box with a date at the mushroom cloud. If you go back and look at the clip, it looks like there may have been one but someone erased it & redrew it like that.
This is probably the best essay I've ever seen on the topic. Bethesda doesn't understand how good and well-thought the original Fallout games were.
Lmaoo Bethesda saved fallout cause it workday wasn’t doing shit with the ip and fallout 3 is the best entry. Undebatable
@@sampath6924 doesnt change the fact they dont properly understand it
@@sampath6924obvious troll is obvious
P.S. you'll find my name in some Bethesda and other company credits. @@sampath6924
Notice how Goodsprings doesn't look like a garbage pile and it looks like people have actually been living there and maintaining the place?
Goodsprings doesn't have to worry about constant attacks by Super Mutants and raider.
@@ShadowSonic2 then what's Megaton's excuse?
@@DJWeapon8 It's pretty clean all things considered.
@@ShadowSonic2 you're joking...
Springvale is an abandoned ramshackle town and that place is much more cleaner than megaton, no bullshitting.
Not to mention infinitely safer since it doesn't have an ACTIVE NUKE right in the middle or being in a crater 30 feet below sea level!
If I were a wastelander, I'd settle down in springvale and reinforce the walls of one of the houses there.
@@DJWeapon8 Springvale is infested with Raiders, right next to that school where they took over. The town is just blasted out old wooden homes with no metal except in the school that's a Raider base.
Nuclear bombs do NOT give off sufficient radiation to harm anyone, without being connected to proper maintenance mechanisms they will go inert after a few days and it takes a hell of a lot to set off a 50s era bomb to begin with. People complaining about the Nuke in Megaton Don't realize how safe those people really were.
In New Vegas, the 1950’s aesthetic works more, because it’s used less. The only place where people wear 50’s attire is the strip, the rich place. Also, House controlling the strip before and after makes the aesthetic seem actually reasonable. People use pre war attire, but it’s a sign of power, success and wealth.
Yeah I agree. Also the kings are another good example of this. While they are based in freeside, the poorest place in Vegas, that's cause they keep the peace there. The Kings are the most powerful gang in freeside and are just a big deal in vegas period. And the group only has a small idea of who elvis was. As such they only imitate him on the surface level. The King himself says that he likes to think he's keeping the memory alive.
@@elijahbradley704 which also ties in with the theme of letting go.
If you think about different post-apoc lands like a differnet ages it makes sense. Nevada - 50s, California - 80 and etc.
It's even mentioned that House gave them the clothes and taught them the mannerisms and/or gave them books they used to learn to imitate pre war culture, implying that before that, they were just average tribals wearing scraps.
He's actually a very good ingame explanation as to why and how people would behave in ways reminiscent of the ancient past.
@@evanharrison4054 Actually, the three families that work on the Strip (The white glove society, the Omertas, and the Chairmen) were once savage tribes that inhabited the Mojave.
This video has aged immaculately
Especially after the absolute abomination that was the "show." Seeing as Bethesda has Retconned FO1, FO2, and FO:NV out of existence...
@@IceNinja2007did we watch the same show? Just a heads up, they did not retcon those games at all. This from a guy who worked on all 3 of those. Not me, I barely touched FO1 and 2 and am not in the credits.
Do some research.
@@IMRavnosthey didn’t technically retcon them all, but the desert is all wrong, it’s fissured ground in the games, and the factions are all bastardised, they did technically retcon FNV, but they’ll fix that next season when they take a lil peak at the timelinr
@@thotiusthemad5318 I think a lot of the issue is people not understanding that the show has flashbacks and doesn’t pop up 20 years ago or stuff. Also, some people seem confused on the dates. FNV was 20 years prior to when Lucy leaves Vault 33 ( I think ) ?
@@IMRavnosNew Vegas was 2281, the show is 2296 so you’re not that far off
The creator of mad max said that even after the apocalypse, humans still make beautiful things. And thats why there was cool stuff everywhere. Bethesda has you believe everyone suddenly likes to live like methheads
Not saying every city has to be perfectly pristine, but you’d think that people would pick up the trash off the ground of their bar after 200 years if they want customers
It's crazy because people way overestimate how long it takes to fix stuff my only explanation is that they haven't done a days manual labor in their lives. Like you'll see people say "there are being attacked they don't have time to fix things" for one it's not like they're being attacked literally every day and two If I believe they're getting attacked every day it's even more inexcusable. There are giant ass holes in the side of houses that people live in, if they're really getting attacked so much surely they would patch up the holes in their houses for basic protection.
You've never been to L.A.
@@synthiandrakon and if you're being attacked every day, one would think that you'd shoot back. I mean seriously, they're raiders. They don't wear any sort of effective armor. Just pop them with a rifle. They'll run out of numbers much quicker than you'd think.
The drumline diner in fallout 4 still has a skeleton in the same position he died in with the bombs.
Or The skeletons. One of The first locations i came across was a Cafe containing 2 people. And in that Cafe there is a full skeleton. It was never removed. For 200 years.
"War never changes" is actually about how they'll always be the Brotherhood of Steel, deathclaws, radscopions and supermutants.
No, Deathclaws/BoS/Radscorps; that's "Bethesda never changes". "War never changes" is about how Beth- er, I mean, mankind will always be destined to make the same ignorant mistakes over and over again... (real examples: going to war with one another, ultimately, nuking the world.
That's probably one of the most basic interpretations of it I've read.
@@owentova it's a joke my dude
@@SonofSethoitae I realise that now. I was probs high asf when I commented haha.
I've never seen there be spelt so incorrectly lmao
Man, I wish Shamus was still around to give his take on the Fallout TV show. I would've loved to hear his opinion of it, good or bad.
What happened to him? Edit: oh of fucking course I find a new good video essayist and he's already dead. Damn it :( my day is ruined
@@Daedalus117
He left you with some CLASSIC Fallout humor.
He'd hate it, probably. It pulls its lore and aesthetic from FO4 with references to the older entries. Essentially, they treat it like Disney treats Star Wars.
Probably hate it. It does all of the terrible things he describes in this video.
Vaxxed?
my mans really 50 years old & sounding like he’s in his early 20’s. fucking legend.
Wait what is that really 50 years ago???? Holy shit
@@gwynmoth3940 yessir
Wait seriously?
Joe R He mentioned he was born in 1971. 2021 - 1971 = 50
my mans really nitpicking about a skeleton outside a diner at 50 years old
"Bethesda took the suspense and trepidation of exploring an unknown wasteland and turned it into a theme park of references and callbacks."
OMFG THIS.
that's basically what Skyrim is to.
Nah, Skyrim just can be summed up as "OMFG DRAGONS".
We Thalmor are way more interesting than a bunch of giant flying reptiles with bad breath. -_-
Bethesdas' Fallouts are like Disney's Star Wars.
Somebody never played 2. 2 was more of a big meme than anything Bethesda has ever done.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco I played the absolute fuck out of Fallout 2. It's one of my favourite games. Yes, it's chock full of pop culture references and it's much less dark than the first one. But it's a more lighthearted take on the same setting, not "the 50s never died and nobody has built even so much as a shack brand new since the bombs fell."
This echoes how I feel about the franchise to a large extent. It’s difficult to explain all of this to people who’d never heard of or cared about Fallout until 3. To them the third game is Fallout and its predecessors are just archaic versions of it. I don’t fault them, I merely disagree, but the point is Bethesda spawned a new generation of Fallout fans and it seems like even the TV show is squarely aimed at that audience.
I don’t even see it as a continuous series anymore. Bethesda’s Fallout is a pastiche. Good or bad it’s materially different. The lineage of the series is not an unbroken path, it branched off and sadly led to cul-de-sacs while the mainstream branch continues forward.
RIP Shamus, this was a well-articulated and insightful argument.
The image at 10:24 represents the idea perfectly. The bartender is busy cleaning the bar table, while the whole bar is just filled with rubble.
Absurd. And not in a fun way.
One of my favorite details in NV is in one of the earlier towns. The place is named "Novac" but on closer inspection you'll notice it's because there's a very old sign which reads "No vacancy" next to the inn that just so happens to be missing the "ancy".
I noticed that the other day! nice to have it confirmed by someone else, I wondered if the hotel sign was the reason for the name
@dorispringlebrule There's another case like this in Fallout 3 where the town of Arefu is named after a sign nearby that originally read "Careful," but the C and L have weathered off
@@grizzlyanimationsthey don’t care.. they think fallout 3 is trash and new Vegas is gods nut.. they will never acknowledge how great 3 was and that without it there would be no new Vegas, they won’t acknowledge that without 3 they would have nowhere to start from 🤷♂️ they neeed to hate to feel better about their personal choices in entertainment.. in reality fallout 3 is more fun to play 🤷♂️ it’s dlc are more “fun” you actually play the game not just talk like in new Vegas 🤷♂️ I’m not young I’m 30 before u insult me , they are both good games.. whenever I see someone hate on 3 I automatically assume they don’t get laid because they are uptight 🤷♂️ can’t enjoy a game for what it is..
@@lonemaus562I'm gonna insult your reading comprehension. What in the flying fuck did the original comment or the reply say to prompt your message? Read them again and again if you have to, until you realize that your response makes you seem unhinged and as if you tied your personal identity and or sense of self worth to defending fallout 3. Cringe
@@lonemaus562whatever point you had to make was diminished by the absurd amount of 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ you felt the need to include.
RIP Shamus. This video is now more relevant than ever
Did he die?
@@fluffynator6222 yea bout a year ago super sad been reading his blog for a long time
Why more relevant thab ever? The last game still is FO76. And if you're talking about the TV show, it has actually none of the problems listed, it's great. You can tell they took references mostly from the west coast games.
@@brunoactis1104because Fallout is at an all time player count peak on every game
@@brunoactis1104the TV series great😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 suuuure if you lack a functioning brain I bet it is
"Bethesda just wanna make rubble themed shooting galleries". Spot on.
Great points in video. Hopefully there are the original authors or team that gets the IP, or a new team that understands the IP and works on the new simulations and game. The IP needs to go to a new owner.
@Grym I mean maybe PC isn't really an option ? Either that or the dude just wants it on console. Nothing wrong with that
@Grym personally I play fo3 and nv in the ps3. Why? My dad doesn't have the money for a pc. We had bought the ps3 years ago. Not everyone can get into pc and that's something that NV community can't understand.
@Luke Thomas What you thought you said - "Gaming on consoles is so much more convenient, and I have to expend less effort to get the game to work."
What you actually said - "I much prefer games built for the lowest common denominator, actually getting the best quality will always be less important to me then the speed at which I can turn on a cut down alternative version."
@@kekfreedomheritage5633 i would kind of like Microsoft to buy up the franchise, seeing as they have some of the old heads of the franchise on their payroll now. Obsidian does have its own issues, judging how Outer Worlds, their most recent game, loses its charm after one playthrough and has a bit of the same effect as Fallout 4, but I think that if they were handed back the franchise and were given a good amount of money, they could make fallout good again
I’m a mod author (writer) for a NV project and we regularly discuss how Fallout 3 and 4 are frustratingly “post apocalyptic” even though it’s been 200+ years since the bombs dropped. It’s also a big gripe of mine with the upcoming TV show. The whole point in New Vegas is that the west has pretty much rebuilt itself save for the major cities.
I once heard Fallout be described as the post post apocalypse and I think thats pretty accurate.
I was fine with it in 3 since it worked for its aesthetic which is amazing and I liked the variety of it after playing 2. There's some decent explanation for why the capital wasteland is so bad. But 4 and the TV show are less excusable and their aesthetics are gaudy
And the show proves it. They don't want civilization to flourish, they don't want change. They want the wasteland to keep on existing to endlessly create these boring settings for their games.
spoilers for the fallout show! To be fair though shady sands did exist as a large city that had a lot of people, but was completely leveled. There's an argument to be made that the theme is that the world cannot rebuild itself because the people are too busy engaged in constant warfare, but we can't be sure unless they continue with this theme into the future.
@JamesJennings-ki4wj Counter argument, that setting is from the OG Fallout games and to destroy it sends the message right out the window. If the places the player in the games had a hand in making better can't thrive, be it the NCR or Vegas, what does? Bethesda is too busy wanting money to ever put a definite answer on how to rebuild society.
@@Imanmagnet00 well like I said maybe the point is that they can't rebuild society because they just keep going to war with each other. If they're going for the "war is hell" angle that's something, but I don't have full faith in them that they're intentionally trying to do that. As for your last point, I guess at this point they don't really care about how society is rebuilt which is something I wish they would explore, but it is their IP, if they'd rather have it be just an anti-war series I guess that's up to them. I guess my point is that while I do agree with you and the video that the original idea of fallout is interesting, at this point Bethesda has created more content for it and owned the license longer than any other group. It's up to them how the story goes.
Do you not get that the world never improves in fallout because the constant bickering of factions. They literally said in the show. “Everyone wants to save the world they just disagree on how”
@jupitergaming5146 That's an excuse writers use to justify the lack of improvement. That's stagnation, as this video said. Regardless of the bickering, the main character has the means of solving that, like in New Vegas, where you finish the game by helping whichever faction you consider best for the Mojave. The appearance of Vegas in the show either means those choices were meaningless or they were pushed aside to give the narrative of the show more importance than that of the games that spawned it.
What Bethesda did is actually worse than just creative stagnation. It was a deliberate choice to turn the series into a theme-park version of itself, where every game has a checklist of a few mandatory elements and branding: caps, Brotherhood of Steel, super mutants, Vault Boy, vaults, vault dwellers, vault suits, feral ghouls in the tunnels, Nuka-Cola, and the 50s aesthetic. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to bring the Enclave back.
Yeah they are dogshit at story telling. They basically have a template and people love their mediocrity. What also bugs me is their incredibly shitty UX and UI. Like the game reeks 2001 UX design decades later. You can't even argue its thematic because it shows even less than what Fallout 1 and 2 did.
@@alargecorgi2199 I never knew about Fallout 1 and 2. I started with Fallout 3 and I liked it because it wasnt a bad game for 2008. New Vegas was better a lil different. I really liked the aestetic, the pip boy character, and it was different experience compared to the usualy 2008-2010 period games. I liked it because it was different. It had atmosphere.
But then I started reading on Wikiepedia about the Franchise and played both F1 and F2 and I realized That bethesda never invented anything new. Everything I liked about the BEthesda games was present in fallout 1 and 2 and I got it why old fans were so dissappointed.
You are right about the engine. Its incredibly old engine that they just update with new textures and add code to it- but the reek is there- that clunky early 2000s feel is there. That annoying post click delay, that awkward mechanical zoom in to a NPC's upper body during dialogue.
Then there is the awful perk system transition from Fallout 1 and 2.
Every perk, every point spent made huge different in F 1 and F2. Every single point, everything I did made a difference. I had to bring up my calculator to actually caclulate things. I wouldnt mind if it was a little less relaxed but boy did bethesda made the the points u put up in every cathegory NOT COUNT.
Once again you are right. the bugs are something everyon weirdly tolerates, the unexpected crashes midgame without players doing anything, the poor dialogue.
The storylines are simply not comparable to 1 and 2. A kid looking for his scientist father or a 2077 man frozen in time looking for his son?
In Fallout 4 I could literally look at an NPC and I already knew what was he/she about and how the conversation was gonna go. it was that predictable bland boring and sterotypical. A guy dressed in a baseball uniform- geee I bet he is related to a baseball quest somehow.
Im glad people are waking realizing Fallout 76 wasnt a fluke and Starfiled is having negative overall review score on Steam. Good riddance and f them
@@robotube7361 To be honest, most perks in F1 were almost as shitty as F3 or they didn't work due to bugs. F2 was slightly better in that regard.
My first playthrough of the Institute Playthrough I was honestly expecting the Institute to actually be the Enclave. Instead of giving us a villain reveal that could've been interesting. They just are Enclave but more loner types.
@@robogamin9613 Enclave but more autistic*
In Fallout 4, it is so hard to go to these different places and think people have realistically been trying to pick up the pieces, have families, and go on. The whole world is built just like you said, like the bombs went off last week.
Ok lets look at the facts.
Theres the institute killing people and replacing them with synths. Theres mutated creatures. Theres super mutants. Theres raiders. Theres a fight for FOOD and WATER every day.
Now explain who the fuck would have time to sit down and plan out a town or city. And even then begin construction WITHOUT being killed. And then if finished without it being destroyed by some conflict.
I swear these comments have no fucking clue what fallout is
People seem to forget that they’re people out there trying to keep the capital wasteland lawless like the contract killers and talon company. In fallout 76, the capital Wasteland is known as “hell on earth.”
@@brianb.3631while that is fair, some degree of hygiene would be good, as infection would be much more deadly and hard-to-heal here, no?
@@groundbird4904 That’s the story of Fallout 3 - Project Purity. The water is horrible in the Capital Wasteland and people want to clean it on a large scale. With the waters of life, hygiene will go up.
@@brianb.3631 do they attack people for sweeping up? no? then thats irrelevant
FNV business: Hello me and my wife own this place. You might see our kid around this small town. Normally we supply the caravans but we can serve the odd wanderer.
Business in F4: I own this prime location in the middle of town despite being an insane robot. Nobody has just shot me yet, I sell only noodles.
That raises a good question. Why does the noodle robot take caps as currency if hes malfunctioning and isn't even running the business?
It'd make more sense if he was making food for free which justifies his presence in the center of town and the city covers his supplies.
@@unusualusername8847 I have a rule when it comes to discussing fallout 4 writing. "Don't write for Bethesda!" If I bring up "Hey how come the are hundreds of super mutants if they came from failed experiments at the institute?" and someone responds "Well maybe they found more green stuff, or maybe the-" STOP does anyone explain that? Maybe a terminal text wall? No? Then don't head canon the lore for them, "Don't write for Bethesda!"
RIP Shamus. We all miss you.
Did he die?
@@harrisonb9911 Yes.
Yeah, RIP
I don’t
@@Norcat10Wow so edgy 🥶
As I've heard many times before, excluding 76: "Bethesda's Fallout games are good games, but they aren't good Fallout games"
with the wastelanders update, and plenty of bug fixes (excluding it is still rather buggy but no more than fo4) 76 is actually a pretty decent game
@@kierancraig7380 Y'know, if it didn't have a terrible monetization scheme. Bethesda really doesn't need as much money as they're getting from people who are stupid enough to buy anything after buying a full price game, at least Fallout 4 was a complete experience, excluding DLC, which is pretty standard. Fallout 76 is held back by it's terrible moneymaking methods and horribly outdated engine
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kieran craig it’s not even remotely decent it’s mediocre at best and wastelanders isn’t going to save the game neither is the next update 76 will always be a lazy monetized fallout 4 port that shouldn’t have been realeased
Except the fact that _Fallout 4_ isn't even a good game in general. Even if you stripped the _Fallout_ IP from it, it would be a forgettable looter-shooter with mundane shooting mechanics and a boring "open"-world.
Always annoyed me how the cities and towns always looked like garbage even after 200 years
They would be little more than rubble and people would have built new towns by then. As in Fallout 1, as in Fallout 2, Van Buren and New Vegas. You notice the pattern?
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof Even with the rubble, in New Vegas makes sense with the squallor and gang warfare in Free side, or the fact its a wasteland in the other parts of the Mojave with the constant dust and such.
Well in my mind its such a harsh and dangerous wasteland that they arent able to establish well run cities and towns..
personally thats what I want in a fallout game, and I dont think 200 years is a very long time tbf, think of how small the population now is and all the dangers from monsters, radiation and raiders. Downtown dc in fo3 was ideal to me except maybe there should have been more settlments and it have been larger. All of the FO3 settlements seemed bang on to me excopt they could have been a bit larger, like that one on the bridge and the republic of dave.
@@Dareyouhow yea but thats reason y it shouldnt be like it is rivet city wasnt clean but the atmosphere they made in there it felt real like u see people there thangs shi like go to church at certain time go to diamond city they either open or close they aint there most likey sleeping thats it they can make it more immersive but y put in the work if u already got the money right
@@Dareyouhow Well that's fine, but it's out of step with the history of Fallout.
Dude you explained very clearly and on-point why Bethesda's Fallout world bothers me so much!
And looking at the series, I don't think they'll ever change course, if anything, they are doubling-down!
Yes. 100%.
Original and Obsidian Fallout games: Serve as an irritating reminder of just how stagnant and utterly stupid Bethesdas worldbuilding is in a setting where 200+ years have passed.
Bethesda: Green lights a series that undermines all of the above so that now the West Coast resembles the stagnation and decay of Bethesdas inferior east coast.
They even asspull the Brotherhood of Steel back to supremacy despite New Vegas establishing that they are a slowly dying isolationist cult.
Fully expect them to asspull Supermutant hordes like they do on the East Coast.
Bethout sucks and should be seperated from Fallout and declared non-canon.
You do he's gone, right?
Somehow Obsidian managed to create a more terrifying creature than the Deathclaw. The Cazador. I would kill for a NV 2.
In FNV the existence of Super Mutants are explained that they were former master followers that are searching a new home to live, and there is a two kind, that the keep being hostile to humans and those that search a peaceful place to livr. The BoS is actually a former shadow of itself, the Enclave is barely mentioned.
Correct and FNV takes place near F1 & 2 so there doesn't need to be alot of explanation as compared to either of those things ending up on the East Coast in a world where longhaul transportation isn't in great supply (especially for the more typically simple-minded Super Mutants). Bethesda can't even use the Vertibirds as a good method of moving all of the way across the country since it's established that they need to be refueled (unless they want to make of those Fallout Tactics BoS airships canon now).
@@SketchyTinkererpretty sure the airships are canon.
*The Mojave sector of BoS
near? 120 years near@@SketchyTinkerer
That and that they're barely in the game, they're pretty much completely relegated to Jacobstown and Black Mountain
"Imagine a world where law enforcement chases down smugglers with helicopter backpacks and city blocks migrate around with the help of massive steam engines while the mail is delivered by postmen flying around on bird-like flying machines."
Bioshock: "Hold my beer."
This literally sounds like Bioshock Infinite
@@HawaiianDude bioshock 1 and 2:oh shit big man
Bioshock infinite: *HOOK GO WOOSH*
That's because the BioShock games heavily lean into retrofuturist aesthetics.
That was literally what I was thinking!
Bioshock Infinite was a massive disappointment
Probably my prime example of Bethesda’s lack of understanding and care for the series is Jet a drug created in Fallout 2 and is a pretty vital component of New Reno’s story and a companion was even the creator of it.
But Bethesda ended up retconning the creation of Jet to be a pre-war invention so it ends making the creation of Jet in 2 a coincidence and that nobody managed to find pre-war Jet and reverse engineered it.
I could understand Jet making it across postwar America but making a postwar invention into a prewar thing shows how stuck in the past Bethesda is.
Aged like fine wine.
Not really since Bethesda has made a falloutgame in 6 years so Bethesda hasn't had a chance to redeem themselves except for the show which was amazing
@@BigBillsBadDeals To be honest, it was kinda mid.
This video aged like wine, since the fallout show has released.
I can definitely agree with the stagnation part. In FO4 you exit the vault 200 years after the bombs dropped, and the world looks like it just happened last week.
Exactly. It doesn't feel that much like a 200 years leap into the future...
@@ombelle5284I'm really hoping that Bethesda will take advantage of the new updated engine and FINALLY add some apocalyptic civilisation to the world.
The institute, diamond city
Yeah, there is about as much time between when the bombs fell to when fo4 starts then between you and I and the end of the industrial revolution. That's more than enough time to rebuild the world.
Maybe its something like mad max where the evil people built and fucked up the world after a few years and stayed in those sick mentalities keeping the world in disaster while the few good try to rebuild i can see that happening its hard to rebuild when humanity is trash 99 percent of the time and loves destruction even now its been years since damaged building and etc have been fixed instead rats are and roaches are taking over and people are going down and even new york has become disgusting rather thqn looking more futuristic people like going backwards when they can do whatever
"Man i'm gonna get so much hate for criticizing this popular franchise"
Meanwhile in the fallout fandom:
"Doesn't matter how much we beat it down it keeps twitching"
Beat that dead horse until it’s hamburger and it still wont be enough
its even a paste in a jar in my fridge and it still twitches as I open the door to get some milk out...
Beating A Dead Giddy Up Butter Cup.
@@JohnIndicium That's a really, really stupid statement. So you can't criticize something, even if its bad, because then, you're a liar?
@@gundamfan2020 Is it a pink food paste? :O
Came back to this video after seeing New Vegas trending on twitter, and finding out why.
With the TV show, Bethesda is now getting their Bethesda all over the West Coast canon.
I like to think of Vault Tec in that show as Bethesda. Todd nuked Shady Sands and reset the region to milk more Fallout games
Mark my words, the East Coast Brotherhood is just going to roll over the West Coast when they pull up on the Prydwen and basically destroy any trace of the old West Coast lore and world building. The Brotherhood is going to be even MORE prominent than they are already. The Enclave is going to pull a Star Wars 9 and just "come back" and Super Mutants are going to be post-apocalypse orcs again.
And it's going to be awful.
@DeepestDankest already happened, the airship in the trailers that was the Caswennen or something like that is now just the Prydwen, BoS and Enclave are major factions on the west again despite dying out in NV, NCR “didn’t work out” despite being a country with multiple cities and at least a million citizens, and Vault Tek/The Enclave nuked the NCR’s Capital because they were “competition.”
Cry. Even Tim Cain loved it
@@Slender_Man_186No way
I came back after wasting three hours of my life actually watched the new "Fallout" tv show, and sadly this video still got it right after four years, you will be missed Shamus Young.
I actually enjoyed the props & setpieces. Story was fucking stupid though
I’ve said it before: Bethesda sees Fallout as an aesthetic, instead of a world. That’s why we get the same 10 monsters with new textures each release, and why Fallout 4 only has two cities. I almost wonder if Bethesda wanted to do away with cities entirely - it seems like they didn’t know what to do with Diamond City.
Yeah, I think Bethesda is more interested in the visual iconography of a Fallout world that's still reeling from the bombs. They are less interested in actually moving things forward or exploring deeper themes of Fallout.
They did do away with cities, and most NPCs for that matter with 76. Next Fallout game probably won't have enemies unless you shell out to buy them.
I love Fallout 4, because its trashness makes Fallout New Vegas look even more appealing than it already is. It's such a rich world, despite being forced to release ahead of completion. The DLC's are amazing and adds even more goodness to the base game, which did not feel that empty even though it's a literal desert.
They ruined they ruined the Deathclaw for me my first Fallout was Fallout 3 and when I stumbled across them for the first time they scared the shit out of me then I come to F:NV Quary Junction Deathclaws I've never tried to run away from something so fast ever not even in Fallout 3 yeah I know they exist but it was whether I would run into them that got me Fallout 4 made them look badass but they made them so common for me it took away the fear factor. Plus Bethesda has retconed Fallout lore and their own they are destroying the franchise.
You realize fallout 4 is set in one big city 😂, bar GTA5 it's probably the biggest city in any game ever. Smh.
Shamus Young died on Wednesday, June 15th, 2022, at 3am, of cardiac arrest. He is greatly missed by family, friends, colleagues, and his audience.
This video was a beautiful explanation. RIP Shamus.
jesus, i remember enjoying shamus' blog back in the day as well as his videos. really sad to hear that he passed away so recently.
Dude he died ????!!! I just found this video !
R.I.P. pal
This can't be...I just found out about this man's channel and now you're telling me he's gone? Good lord...
_Requiescat in pace, Shamus._ This was an excellent analysis, and I hope many take heart on its excellent points ='(
@@glidershower same man.
You're spot on man. Games like Fallout has to not only hold a sense of realism but the story has to make sense or else everything goes. It would only make sense for ghouls who were there around 2077 to hold the culture of the 1950s.
Um. 2077 art work. Magazines. Books. Etc. plenty of shit to take inspiration from. And even then raiders and the like dont even remotely look like anything from the 50's. I may be wrong tho but big spiky mohawks werent a thing back then. Again i may be wrong. Point im making is the style is alive and well through art and those in the vaults who may have simply carried over the style. Pretty simple
Bro fallout 1 has the culture of the 50s just tucking look at the fuckimg introo
Sadly he's not anymore. Apparently he passed away some time last year.
@@mfegs_ kinda but there is more to it than that if you watch again
@@mfegs_
The ruins of old California hold a rusted, weathered semblance of the 1950s. The people of new California are the rusted and weathered of the 2160s.
One is a reminder. The other is reality. Fallout 1 focuses on the reality.
It feels to me like Bethesda just thinks that time goes backwards in the Fallout universe or something
Like 200 years after the war and people are still living under piles of debris with pre-war skeletons littered around, while only 30 years after they have the Whitesprings Resort doing well enough themselves that they have resources to spare and send across half the country AND all the C.A.M.Ps that are more technologically advanced than even what the Enclave has! While half the map is still on fire!
The most hilarious and ironic part of it to me is how much Bethesda hams up the Vault Boy like he's not only the Mickey Mouse of the series, but even the world itself.
The Vault Boy was a dark parody of using public-friendly iconography to mask the horror of series subject matter like nuclear death. He's a lot more cynical. Imagine a company putting like Duckman or Bojack Horseman on shirts and lunchboxes as a fun mascot for kids.
He fits in an ironic and meta way nowadays. He was a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company and nowadays he is a mascot for a greedy and corrupt company that wants to sell you virtual furniture in a broken game.
I other wondered what a fantasy midevil rpg made by the same team that made fallout 1 would look like specifically the vault boy character but in midevil situations with magic and stuff. Somebody please make this game.
I’d love to see kids walk around in Bojack shirts
@@robmoye5192 It's not exactly what you're looking for but they did make Arcanum, which had the basic premise of "what if the industrial revolution, but also magic".
@@robmoye5192 Avowed is coming out, so there's that.
The fact that everyone lives in garbage in Fallout 3 and 4 really bothers me too
had fallout 3 been earlier in the time line alot of that would not be an issue. but beheads thinking no one is gonna fix anything after 200 years when fallout 1,2 and nv show them rebuilding. just makes the Bethesda games look worse.
I mean it makes sense. It’s not like there are expert architects around or people with the knowledge to make sophisticated materials
@@mr.rufasi2729 Are there no people with the knowledge to move the fucking dead body in their house? Or sweep the floor from time to time?
Besides, if they can create improvised weapons, they can build something resembling a human dwelling.
Lol! Have you seen the slums of a developing country before?
Exactly, people are fine with living in surprisingly shit conditions- I.e. no toilets and rubbish everywhere.
If that’s how you’ve always lived your going to be fine with it. You could argue that because the war is such a long time ago, the way people view things like rubbish and stuff are different
Rip shady sands
Ironically fallout 76 has a bunch of cool new monsters based on the region
Then has you fight generic zombies 90% of the time
XD so true. It's a shame.
Well, the zombies (scorched) are irradiated humans, and there were a hell of a lot humans compared to region-specific, unique creatures like the Grafton monster.
Plus all the old creatures for no reason
Not really ironic, but yeah kind of stupid
cool monsters!? theres literally a skyrim dragon in fallout 76 xddd
Having you point out the skeleton in the diner is hilarious. The fact it’s a 200 year old skeleton and hasn’t been moved ONCE is absurd
They could of at least made some mechanics that prove you would be the only one able to access those areas since then , maybe locks and codes and some semi working tech that would apply
"hey mom why do we keep this skeleton in our house?"
- That's your dad....
If a skeleton moved it would be really scary
i always liked to think that all the skeletons just sitting around everywhere are actually gen 1 or gen 2 synths pretending to be dead people.
could have*@@PANTHERA369
And they never will.
This cemented it after the TV Show.
You didn't mention the most obnoxious thing about Bethesda's re-use of bottle caps, Shamus. In Fallout 1 they weren't just "an ad hoc currency", they symbolised the dominance of the Water Merchants over the SoCal economy. By Fallout 2, clean water is much more available and the world is safer. The Water Merchants' hold is broken, the NCR becomes a fledgling state who, as such, immediately bring back the printed dollar.
What makes Fallout 3's recycling of bottle caps so galling is that not only are there no Water Merchants to use them as their symbol, there being no clean drinking water is the main plot point of the story!
Shut up and drink your aqua cura
@@PancakemonsterFO4 Hey, this water's irradiated. My Pip-Boy says so. (I don't remember the exact lines)
@@theguylivinginyourwalls Well looks like that PipSqueek 2000™ of yours is broken
Good point.
Heck, the NCR then didn't even print dollars. They had gold backed currency, and for post-apoc terms, this is absolutely HUGE. It meant that they had trade routes to places capable of mining gold (Redding), the capability of making said gold coins, AND pretty much dominated the economy of the Core Region.
One would think 3 would totally have Water Merchants of some sort, considering how the absence of water is such a huge plot.
@@sr.favopossodeixarvaziosim4595 good points, all. At least we got New Vegas as a proper sequel to the OG Fallouts, we're lucky Bethesda even allowed that. Doubt it'll ever happen again!
"The Brotherhood vs Supermutans comedy hour"
Wow, I'm just now realizing that this is the best way to sum up the past couple Fallout games.
Brandon Cody that’s the case for all the Bethesda games. New Vegas is the only one bethesda published that doesn’t fix that description.
Rogal Dorn Yup, the only decent 3D Fallout is the one Bethesda published but didn’t create
After watching this video I really did think about the super mutants. I thought it was kind of a stretch to have them in Fallout 3, but I accepted that they'd been made in a slightly different way. Once I found out The Institute had been making super mutants in Fallout 4 I felt like it was much more of a stretch, even back in 2015 when it first came out. Imagine if Bethesda hadn't completely brought super mutants back for 3 or 4, but instead had just put a single Mariposa super mutant in one of those games and he's only there because he wants to be as far from California as possible. Imagine how interesting it would have been to see this mutant, probably one of the last of his kind, so far from the place he was created, something people who played the old games could look at and go "Wow, I remember these guys, it's crazy that one of them is all the way on the East coast!"
Its been a few years and you have no idea how right you truly are.
It's over.
I wish I could play New Vegas again without ever having experienced it.
amen. I'd love to play it for the first time again. but the replay value is pretty good anyways.
play it every 6 months
@@dsjgfxxkhrx4050 this or every year/few years. add cut content and stuff too
I wish they would completely remaster it. Same stuff. Just brought up to date graphics. But beautiful, controversial nitty gritty back alley streets of New Vegas
@@LavenderSkyla I think they should remaster it with a new (and unrelated) engine - that way it has a chance to be the game it was meant to be.
"the glowing sea ... this haunted hellscape felt like an idea that would have been right at home in the old fallout games"
you mean like *The Glow* from fallout 1
I loved the glow in the original game. So haunting, paired with the radiation system it was downright menacing. I had to go back to an earlier save because I looted everything there, then died when I tried to travel, because of the radiation.
@@gabebarber5813 Only once? Glow was rough.
Draithegemini Well I played through Fallout 1 about 3 or 4 times and I got into trouble every time I tried to loot the place. 😅 My first Fallout was F3 about 10 years ago (I’m 21). Needless to say, that experience didn’t help in my first F1 play through.
It just bugs me there where no unique creatures in the glowing sea so it ended up being boring to explore
@@GrosvnerMcaffrey I feel the same way. I thought thatd be where the special freaks would be but by the time you get there you have power armour and enough weapons to get by easily
It’s become something of a tradition of mine to return to this video every time Bethesda vomits out some new abomination, but the Amazon series essentially retconning all of Fallout New Vegas is the only one that has actually upset me.
here for the same reason
Forget New Vegas. They retconned huge swaths of the two original games. The Boneyard doesn't exist, Shady Sands is now in LA, the Master somehow didn't find a bunch of vaults right in the middle of his city, the NCR was basically just a city-state based around Shady Sands and collapses completely when that one town is nuked.
Please tell me how they did that?
@@hiybbprqagyou do realize that the entire show doesnt take place in LA, right? Only the ending and flashback do.
That’d be like saying Fallout 4 only takes place in the city of Boston.
There’s not much that directly contradicts 1 and 2 besides what Bethesda has already changed and complaining about that is stupid as fuck. This entire video is just sad as if subtlety automatically makes something much greater.
@@hiybbprqag also the boneyard was just the collective name given to the city of LA well over 100 years before the shows timeline dumb fuck
Coming back to this after the release of the tv show… Bethesda’s fundamental misunderstanding of the IP makes me sadder and sadder with every subsequent release, was really praying that the show would be more faithful to the original games not just Bethesdas versions of fallout, that end scene, truly insane choice to have New Vegas, the beacon of what this video is about, be nothing more than a ruined hollow shell of what it’s meant to be. The ultimate gut punch to fans, what a kick in the head…
Honestly, seeing what they did to vegas at the end of the show really broke my heart.
Its interesting hearing these opinions. I had no clue people felt this way about the show. I actually loved it and is my favorite game adaption. It nailed bethesdas fallout. Which works really well in live action.
@@Whatacomedian_ The show does fine for what it is, but I feel it's far to kitsch and *'reddit dark comedy'* that feels more like this was meant to be a Borderlands show, and not a serious post-post apocalyptic character driven drama in the fallout universe (obviously the series has always had some corny stuff in it but the Show goes too far with it)
this is without going into all the lore shenanigans it's mangled
it kinda reminds me of when silent hill re-used monsters like the nurses and pyramid head despite the fact that it made no sense in the context of the story but purely becasue they were iconic
True, they are inherently connected to the second game story... yet they just slapped them on the movies and other games just for being iconic
@@BBaaaaa Well they also appeared in the first game, but yeah, the iconic version of them are in the second
@@VicBaws not sure what you mean by this, SH1 and SH2 have completely different monsters. Sure, SH1 has nurses, but they're entirely different in look and symbolism.
@@BBlaze. I know, I'm just saying that in Silent Hill 1 there were also nurses, Yes, I understand is not the same
@@VicBaws The only difference is that the nurses in SH2 were sexualized.
Interesting that you didn't even mention that Fallout 2 went out of its way to end the "bottle caps currency" thing, even lamp shading it in a side quest. (FO: Tactics also did not use bottle caps.)
New vegas had old world money, NCR money and Legion Money showing that really people were using more things as money.
Ah yeah,the side quest where you get 5000 caps as a "treasure" but they barely sell for any real currency,I never knew that quest was that smart,mainly because the point was overshadowed by the humor involving the quest
@@lCore17 Pre-war money isn't a currency in FNV. Sure it's valuable and kinda works but it's not treated as a currency. In the game 1 Denarius is worth $10 NCR those are worth 4 Caps and vice versa, that set value never changes regardless of your barter skill while pre-war money isn't considered a currency but a regular item by the game, thus your barter skill affects it's price.
@@kersacoft mate do you understand how currency works? Those bills have a value and are traded for goods and services. Great. That makes them money. Not hard to understand tosspot
@@IKMojito but you can't barter 1 pound for more than its worth in the real world like you can with pre war money in NV. Just because its a piece of paper with "money" written on it doesn't inherently make it a broadly acknowledged currency.
He knew and we didn’t listen….
Here after the TV show, what a mess
they killed fallout for me ;\ guess underrail and stalker will be my favorites post-apocalyptic games.
@@HSLPedrotv show was awesome
@@venway5465sure bro
@@venway5465meh, good show, but shits al over fallout
@@HSLPedrohave fun getting more ukraine propganda shoved in your face
I didnt even notice Legion used sportswear. I just saw "romans" and never questioned where they got the wardrobe xD
Boy oh boy is this clever.
They even talk about it multiple times. Do you ever wake up?
@@billyray9925 i just despise the guys so hard i keep obliterating them every time without much interaction, aside from Caesar, who I attempted to serve but failed to be swayed.
@@cowbless Boone references how he kills anyone who wears sports equipment if you talk to him in the tower.
Open your eyes
@@cowbless Hating the legion is made easy because they have lost a lot of content because of time restrictions.
Have you talked to Ceasar about his plans and the other groups? You can't really judge the faction without listening and thinking about what he has to tell.
You can actually generalize that video title some more: "Todd Howard doesn't understand Role Playing Games". Not understanding Fallout is just part of that.
If Todd Howard was a DM he would be the kind that railroads his players to the nth degree so that they don't ruin his carefully crafted story setpieces
@@dragonforks93 Carefully crafted? I what, when did they ever carefully craft anything? You give them far too much credit.
@@nathanlevesque7812 The opening of Skyrim is the best example that comes to mind.
@@nathanlevesque7812 carefully crafted according to Todd...
Oh he knows how to role play it's just the same chosen one, best at anything, and everything character.
Honestly new vegas captured the vibes of fallout 1 and 2 better than any other fallout game
Hopefully between the hype from the Fallout show and the Microsoft acquisition, Microsoft will let another studio (maybe Obsidian again) work on a new spinoff Fallout game.
inXile deserves more after wasteland 3, lots of the first two fallout devs there and they also were bought by microsoft.
bethesda with fallout its like disney with star wars or other projects.
Just a side note the one about stealing Death Star plans one was pretty good
it’s not as bad as how Disney treats star wars at least effort is put into fallout
Or 343 with halo
Yeah, meaning that the new games are only hated because people are nostalgic about the old ones.
Drog .NDTrax not true the prequels were good they had heart the new movies are mindless cash grabs with activism thrown in also they had so much potential but disney bowed to china and lessened fins role because of the color of his skin talk about messed up.
Shamus: "You don't just create a quest that goes like 'This monster sucks, go shoot it for me.' "
Borderlands franchise: *That's where you're wrong buddy.*
At least Borderlands doesn't take itself seriously, whereas Fallout 3 and forward kinda does, sadly.
@@AyoxinBlake Yea, they don't. But many of those quests still feel very shoddy and lack some depth. And that is coming from someone that completed all the games except for BL3 including all quests, DLCs and those headhunterz cashgrabs.
@Over Yonder And...?
Borderlands quests are pretty trash though.
@@john_smith_john ...And...? I didn't say they are good. But they managed to sell them pretty well. Just like Bethesda is selling their trashy half-made games.
I don't think Bethesda fully understands any of the IP's it owns.
Lights are on, nobody's home.
skyrim is a masterpiece
@@blitzbenny Only thanks to the modding community
@@Tetrumo false. Skyrim base game is a better game than fallout new vegas or whatever game you like to d ride
@@blitzbenny kek
Crazy how I'm now just watching this video 4 years later. But it brings up A LOT of great points. Great job.
Apparently this guy died
"War, War never changes - men do, through the roads they walk"
-Ulysses.
This line made me realize that Fallout New Vegas is the real end of the franchise (Interplay/Obsidian) It answer the most iconic phrase in a bitter sweet note.
It's not that deep
@@jeffdavis6182 u right
@@jeffdavis6182 all depends on perspective and the person reading it
That is so true. People never push you into the person you are, YOU push yourself to the person you are from the choices you make and the way you deal with things.
Yeah that is why I prefer original devs to write the story and plot.
bedhesda be like: one engine to rule them all
valve: hold my beer
@@syloui Valve has Source 2 now.
@@syloui Valve at least made a new engine, even two.
The fact that their games live for a long time so they have to use the same engine is a different thing.
Going straight to source 4, because.... Valve
They dont really need a new engine but they need to update the one they have. Most "new" engines aren't fresh made from the ground up but just improved versions of what the developers used before
And all of these errors have bled right over into the Fallout show on Amazon. It's a frick'en nightmare of a TV show. High production values, sure. But at it's core it's a mess.
I loved the show and happy with fallout 3 & even more so 4. It lacks features but mods can fix it. Never played 1 or 2 nor vegas, which looked so bland
@@skydivin4ng3linsane take
@@janusprime5693 we are all the sum of our experiences, and value different things.
@@skydivin4ng3l insane take
@@skydivin4ng3l You can argue the F1&2 are a hard pill to swallow for new players, but they can be everything except bland my brother in Christ. Even a more insane take for NV that is a F3 in steroids with the storytelling of the first twos. Give it a shot
This may be the best commentary I have seen on fallout. I hate that I saw it 3 yrs later. I clicked it assuming the NV angst I see alot, but this is one of the best complaint videos I have seen. I feel like you hit every nerve that got me on fallout games, and addressed them well with solutions.
I don’t mind old head fallout fans angst. At least they had the balls to stand up to Todd and Bethesda before it was popular to do so. Props to them
I'm glad I'm not the only whose always been annoyed at how everyone in Bethesda's Fallout games just lives in garbage. The more you think about the more ridiculous it seems that multiple generations of people were born, grew up, had families, died, their children grew up etc just living ankle-deep in garbage that was never cleaned up or repurposed or fixed or anything. Even in their own homes. Like somehow the collapse of civilization means nobody will ever clean anything ever again.
Agreeing 100%. This is one of the biggest examples of the bethesda idiotism,. And the skeletons, everywhere. Had to learn how to use console commands to remove them.
@@korpienmahtijullit7508 The skeletons make more sense in fallout 3 as basically the whole city is a no go area but in fallout 4 you'd think they have made the cities settlements larger and less ruined. like where do all the fucking people live in diamond city? Or goodneighbor and come on goodneighbor 🤦♂️it's literally an alley with 2 stores Ive seen people build whole damn cities in Minecraft but Bethesda can barely do it. New Vegas didn't get the best of cities well none at all, Vegas wasn't the best but I loved the atmosphere of East and North Vegas as they were the slums but unfortunately obsidian didn't get enough time to do more to then what they did to make new Vegas even better.
@Electronic Oh good old Bethesda fan boys and their criticism of personal and or physical attributes because they can't accept that the company haven't made a good release since Oblivion 😂 and Fallout 3 only counts if you have the DLCs and Skyrim is overrated 🤷♂️
I got exposed to Fallout 1/2/Tactics about 5 years before 3 came out, and I was still in High-School when 3 was released so I was just giddy to get a new game. The more time has passed though, the more the settings of 3/4 bother me. Like Drakkel and the video said, everyone is just living in garbage and there are almost no real settlements in the Bethesda games. If Bethesda wanted people to play around with skellingtons and rubble everywhere, I think they should've set the games 40-80 years after the bombs, not 200 years. It wouldn't fix all the problems, but at least the scenery would make a bit more sense.
@@NakAlienEd like I said fallout 3s skeletons make alot more sense but in fallout 4 you'd think the city was more progressive as two whole settlements are within the city ? But no settlements are within fallout 3s city although I still would say I'd rather play New Vegas any day if I wanted a true experience of an RPG
The advancement of society between F1, 2 and New Vegas always logically made sense to me.
Fallout 1 takes place a little less than a century after the war so yes things still suck but people are actually trying to live. They’ve built walled villages, started farming, trading with others that have done the same, cleaning up, etc…
Fallout 2 is set another 80 years later. The threat of the Master is gone, already established towns have grown, the population has grown, more technology has been rediscovered/reinvented and the larger factions are actually trying to restore some semblance of order to the world and New Vegas does the same thing while also introducing the idea of new conflicting powers based on different ideals.
Fallout 3 laughs at this idea and says “Haha no actually no one over here has really done that. Everyone is still barely scraping by and using the same garbage they’ve used since the bombs fell and they have no plans to change this”
New Vegas actually fits in the same category as Fallout 3 and 4. Casino city in the middle of the desert and it actually flurishes for some stupid reason.
I mean, when you realize all the settlements in the Capital Wasteland has no reliable source of food or water, no means of effective transportation, barely any trade or interaction with each other, and are surrounded by a hostile wasteland full of Deathclaws, Supermutants, and Feral Ghouls - it does kind of make sense that their society hasn't progressed anywhere.
The bigger surprise is how any of those settlements are even still alive.
@@LadyDoomsinger Fallout 4s story is also pretty understandable. Boston was once a pretty chill place until the minutemen were attacked by gunners and on top of that were betrayed by some of their comrades. Boston is also a brutal place with raiders everywhere.
Interplays titles are more unrealistic in this case, They never really elaborate how such centralised structures like the NCR survive. A real post apocalyptic society would be either led by a dictatorship or be just a few city states with lose bonds between each other. The Boston commonwealth and Washington DC are the best depictions of how things would look like in a unstable environment.
@@derunfassbarebielecki It was honestly meant as a joke, not justification. The lack of food, water, trade, etc. is entirely due to Bethesda's flawed worldbuilding, not a deliberate design or narrative choice.
@@LadyDoomsinger The nuclear winter caused by a full on nuclear world war would kill most plants, fungi, bacteria and animals. A local conflict can put us already in a ice age lasting decades. Trust me, a nuclear war creates these shortages. Creating structures which go beyond a bunch of neighbouring settlements is almost impossible and if such were formed, they would be short lived. In both 3 and 4 such structures actually existed, but they were short lived as expected.
One issue with this video is how it covers Fallout 2, in that game the NCR is the main faction, your aide in the first game led to Shady Sands becoming a proper country who’s coinage is the main currency of the wasteland, meanwhile Super Mutants are starting to slowly go extinct without The Master, and The Brotherhood has fallen into stagnation and is starting to die out, the idea that they somehow made it to the East Coast is insane. These story lines are continued further in New Vegas, the super mutants led by Marcus from Fallout 2 have fled east into the Mojave, and while the Brotherhood managed to somehow destroy the NCR’s gold supply the NCR won the war against the Brotherhood who are now having population issues. The same is true with The Enclave, they were introduced in Fallout 2 and got their shit beaten so bad their only presence on the west coast is 5 scattered and largely disillusioned old timers pushing 70-80 years old and Arcade Gannon who’s really just an army brat.
Cut to the Fallout TV show and oh boy did Bethesda make an absolute mess out of the West Coast.
Bethesda went overboard with the retro-futurism. Fallout 1-2 did it perfect. Mixed in a dystopian wasteland with pre-war retro-futurism and a very dark aesthetic. Fallout 1-2 really feel like a wasteland. Even the audiologs are immersive in the originals.
Yep. These butthurt kids will never know. I honestly pity them. They wouldn't know quality if it smacked them in the face.
I always saw the retro futurism as being part of showing to you the player that the pre-war world was in the past
This, never was part of original Fallout theme. Also its too goofy and light. Fallout was dark, all the way day, no relief wich made it so good.
Bethesda wanted to make Fallout to make money, while Obsidian wanted to make Fallout to tell a good story.
Meanwhile having 2 fallout games in the 90s on metacritic
No... noo obsidian wanted money, every business does.
@@covertfro5774 difference being than Obsidian make a product with the intention to appeal the fans and also gain money
@@alejandroelluxray5298 And I'm not arguing with that. But people are acting like Obsidian is this altruistic, godlike company that doesn't care about the money even a little bit. It's not.
@@covertfro5774 Joshua Sawyer is the reason why people worship the old Obsidian. Most people just don’t know it.
The biggest "unoriginality" issue that I've noticed with fallout 4 is that Bethesda literally took a sidequest from 3 and turned it into the entire main quest line with the synths and the institute
I've always looked at it differently, see I found it interesting that a small side quest in one game, could have potential lasting effects in another. Take for example in fallout 4, the brotherhood of steel take that military base for stockpile of mini nukes, in another game down the line we could see a game with them as the antagonist virtually unstoppable, or as the protagonist. The little hints and references have always been nice.
It's funny because when I played 3 I completely missed that quest an i used to play that game religiously and only after fallout 4 did i realize the quest was there and it was pretty surreal
They did this with fallout new vages too there was lots of references to fallout 3 that kinda happens when the games are IN THE SAME FUCKING UNIVERSE
You know at first I thought that was cool, like that sidequest in Fallout 3 was building up to something bigger, then Fallout 4 came out and the main quest was completely underwhelming.
Fake Slim Shady Ironically, I think that was probably the most clever thing that Bethesda has ever done with the Fallout IP.
Great video. A lot of games today suffer from the world-building issues you've critiqued here. You could be roaming around enjoying the game world and it's towns, but it all starts to seem rather silly the moment you stop and ask "Hey, what do these people eat? Where do they sleep? What is their motivation for living in this particular area? Why set up a town in an active volcano without incorporating that into the story?" etc
Even the creators of D&D maps had this problem.
Build a city near a water source? Nah... just evenly space them around the nonsense terrain features with an equal ratio of mountains, forest, and deserts... for variety.
He would have torn into the TV show like crazy..
True, the show is… a mixed bag for me. It’s a great show but I hate what they did with the lore.
@@hunnid17 they basically year 0'd the west coast into the east coast (Undid the rebuilding and civilisations of the west coast like the NCR, returned everything to raiders and complete chaos, brought back the Enclave *yet again* brought in the east coast brotherhood *yet again*
then in terms of just stupid additions/retconns, we have non-descript ghoul juice, Shady sands being teleported into the boneyard, Shady sands "falling" before the 1st battle of Hoover dam, inventing 3 new vaults outside of LA that somehow *didn't* get raided and abducted by the master, etc
it's one of those situations where if you're a really casual fallout fan or even someone who knows nothing of the series; you can enjoy it as it does have some merits, but for a much more serious fan (especially those whom lean more towards the Obsidian/Interplay games) it's seen as a smack in the face.
"Maybe the bottlecaps migrated." "What, on their own?" "Maybe they were carried by a radscorpion." "How?" "In its pinchers!" "Look, it's not a matter of leverage....!"
The bottle caps were everywhere, nuka cola was a national, if not transnational corporation, it was said there was a vending machine on every street in America, so of course there would be plentiful bottlecaps
@@carsonjackson415 Mike sweeney was making a reference to a movie.
"Well maybe it was an African radscorpion!"
@@Maibuwolf what movie?
@@aleckushmerek1757 oh yeah an African radscorpion maybe but not a North American radscorpion
Obsidian Fallout: *makes a game has a deep lore, intelligent characters and good combat*
Bethesda: yall like cod with unturned?
I played new vegas for a long damn time and I can say for sure that it doesn't have good combat dude, quite frankly it's shit
@@billmurray5160 Yeah but they did have a short development cycle, only 18 months, just wish the combat system wasn't so clunky
@@XoneIsACoolDude the development cycle for fallout 2 was like one year after fallout 1 dude, so I don't see your point and NV had all the work of creating unique models pretty much done by bethesda, besides that they couldn't really fix the janky fallout 3 combat except for more weapon variety and enemies, which was pretty fun.
@@billmurray5160 fallout 2 wasnt 3d like Las Vegas though. And say what you wanrt about the combat, but the writing was much much better.
I love New Vegas but let's be honest, the combat was so shit and clunky
The 50s aesthetic was just to establish the limited technology you have in the game as well as environment. But the plot is supposed to be its own thing, about rebuilding. I even saw a concept where in new Vegas, people are trying to make new music and there are musicians, and they eventually end up making 60s-70s music, with its themes of rebellion and change from traditional music.
Amazon definitely doesn't understand Fallout either
Makes me wonder what happens with Warhammer 40,000
A borefest, woke, predictable, unfunny
@@astrolillonot to mention takes a huge dump all over the lore of 1, 2 and New Vegas
@@astrolillohow was it woke lol
@@NoahDaDudeBroMan Too many black or female characters makes it "woke" according to the people who use that word unironically
Oh man, the breakdown of retro-futurism was so good. It doesn't hurt that this is happening all the time as people speculate, make artifacts, and judge the present based on the hopes of the past.
"The future isn't what it used to be."
@Afqwa ....Oh my god. The BoS are just a faction of collectors. Instead of figurines or star bottlecaps, it's plasma guns.
@Afqwa Wasn't Rome a pioneer in fascism, or a precursor to what lead to fascism?
@@physical_insanity Rome isn't either of those things, if it was then I would say its a precursor but that is a naive view on it.
Rome holds a special place in hearts of westerners but everyone takes away different things. Almost all countries are founded on what their inception of what Rome was with only a couple of exceptions, and they all got it wrong even shortly after the fall of the western empire the Frankish Carolingians and the German Otto the Great founded the Holy Roman empire without understanding how the Roman Empire functioned, their idea of a feudal society was nothing like what the Romans had, which is even more ridiculous because the Byzantine Empire existed who was just a continuation of the Eastern empire but even they changed over time.
So the feudal kingdoms of Europe saw themselves as based on the Romans but missed understood everything but the same is true for republics based on Rome Venice, United Provinces, and the USA based themselves on what they thought the Roman republic was but were incorrect, they were closer than the feudal kingdoms were but they culture was still different so the governments were different too.
The same is true for fascism the fascist looked at Rome and tried to imitate the results and the aesthetic but that was really it. They didn't understand the Romans they only understood that they conquered a lot and looked really cool.
TL:DR - Pretty much all governments in the west are based on what people thought the Romans were like but they failed because they wither cherry-picked/ didn't actually understand it/ were too different to truly imitate it
You´ll just love Mutant Year Zero then. It´s all about the postapocalypse and how the fear of war in the past is now misguiding a apocalypse worshipping sect into seeing the nukes as something holy and godgiven, salvation in total destruction. And it´s only up to you and your group of slowly unlocking stalker friends to stop them. It´s more fair then X-Com 2 and normal mode is quite beginner-friendly althrough i´m already sweating on hard
Unlike the other things, Nick Valentine actually makes sense as an old-world detective because he's got the memories and personality of a detective who was kidnapped and killed by the institute shortly before the bombs dropped. Also, it's new. Nowhere else have we seen robots that look like zombies and act like humans, and that's why he's amazing.
Bladerunner, that's where they got it. It started as a reference in fallout 3
@@PRO100Dreik It's far older than Blade Runner. The Detective and Robot thing was essentially created by Isaac Asimov.
@@ShadowSonic2 i gotta check him out
the institute and synths are new and interesting, they even have the "are they people or abominations" thing which whilst i think is a bit over done, it does fit with fallout given the other abominations mankind has made trying to make the world better.
He wasn't kidnapped he volunteered
I loved goodsprings
There were farm houses
The actually important buildings were right in front of you and felt like an actual place.
Megaton feels like a giant hunk of metal
Sure it always felt like there was something to do but that was because I couldn't for the life of me remember the layout.
The only reason i liked it was because i could nuke it, It had all those important NPC's like Moira and Moriarty and I could decimate it if i felt like it.
The baseball guy may be a one note jokey character for you; but as someone from Massachusetts let me tell you, it's an every day occurrence. These types of guys would definitely survive the apocalypse in the basement of a Dunkin Donuts.
I loved the feel of Shady Sands and other Fallout 1 locations, reminded me of a star wars type planet like Tatooine. Life's dangerous but people carry on.
Adobe architecture finding a new home in the wastes was a sight to see, first time I tried Fallout. Immediately got a mod that replaced some key buildings with Adobe style houses/structures in New Vegas.
Kind of like Australia
Shady Sands was based on early Sumerian cities (map screen even had art in that style of a man in the tunic holding a spear} it's evolution to NCR in fallout 2 also (from a farming village to a city state)
That was kinda whole point of Fallout universe. People were building up societies. The first game was 80 years after bombs. So very few people outside monsters(ghouls) could even remember what was before... Instead they would be striving to make best out of their lives.
“My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a postnuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun” - Tim Cain, Producer and Lead Programmer for Interplay/Black Isle Studios
“Violence is funny! Let’s all just own up to it! Violence done well is fucking hilarious. It’s like Itchy and Scratchy or Jackass - now that’s funny!” - Todd Howard, console player and marketing expert
Smh
Todd is the opposite of an artist. He rose to prominence by dumbing down and monetizing as many game aspects as possible.
There's an interview with him about Skyrim where, in so many words, he expresses his major disappointment that there was no base way to monetize it ala Creation Club over its years of massive success.
You're giving Todd waaaay more credit by attributing "violence is funny" to him
Look at Borderlands 2. Now, that is a game where violence _is_ funny. FO3 and FO4 does not even approach that game.
@@TaRAAASHBAGS There's a Morrowind retrospective where Michael Kirkbride talks about how he had to trick Todd into allowing creative monster designs. Michael would draw up some crazy monster that he knew Todd wouldn't like, then when he said no, he'd come back with the design he originally wanted, and Todd would okay it.
I always thought that spoke volumes about both men.
Lmao Todd Howard is literally Joker.
After watching the Fallout TV series, once again all I can repeat is:
"Look at how they massacred my boy.."
Bethesda doesn't even understand The Elder Scrolls, honestly.
With the success of Skyrim, I'm expecting Elder Scrolls 6 to also have dragons, fus-ro-dah and nordsmen, even if the game is set in a desert because they can't think of something new to replace those things.
@@eruannster There will be something that reuses the dragon frame; Vertibirds in Fallout 4 use it, and the Scorchbeasts in 76 do as well
It was extremely disappointing going from Skyrim to Morrowind, seeing Morrowind have an interesting take on the "chosen one" stuff, with how you might as well just be some dude who happened to just fulfill this prophecy because you just happen to be immune to some infection, and that past "chosen ones" actually failed, and that people are extremely sceptical/don't care of your claim, with the major houses only endorsing you once you do their dirty work for them, as they only care for their best interests...
To Skyrim where, you are the chosen one because you happened to be nearby and absorbed a dragon's soul and can now shout.... Therefore you are the chosen one that everyone just accepts it and cheers you on in the most generic "chosen one" storyline.
@@sciencemile giant cliffracers /\_v_/\
@@camycamera and yet, even as the chosen one, you still hav eto go jail if you steal an apple or become public enemy number one if you accidentally hit a chicken.
At the end where you put "Don't EVEN get me started on how the ran the whole 'War never changes' phrase into the ground." It made me realize how different it meant when FNV quoted it and when F4 quoted it. FNV felt very melancholy compared to F4.
new vegas feels like the end of the series in a way.
@@megamike15 And how do you feel that?
@@Ludovicus1769 it has a " let go of the past." meta narrative through out the main game and dlc.
which can be seen as obsidian telling fans to let go of fallout in general.
The power of Ron Pearlman.
Even has a counter argument: war never changes, people do through the road they walked.