Crazy Static, Canon Varioprint vs. Konica Minolta, Hard Cover Book Production
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- I have never seen so much static that you could hear and see it arching, crazy! A quick comparison of Canon Varioprint vs. Konica Minolta. It is very interesting to see the differences between the two machines. Print quality is good with both machines so far.
A quick sneak peak into the hard cover book production machines that I have gotten. I'll only be producing certain hard cover books in-house.
IMHO the KM has some kind of adjustment problem. It should be able to hold grayscale down to 3-4%. Check the driver settings under print quality. If I had to guess, its defaulted to Presentation (which increases contrast). Switching to Photographic should optimize grayscale. FWIW
The new konica minolta 6136/6120 has a much better halftone than the old 1200 series. Use whatever machine is easiest Service and easy to get parts and toner for.
I'm going to need to find a used 6136 some day. Glad to hear they are better machines.
Great comparison, thanks for the video.
Enable "Use CIE Color" feature under Printing Preferences > "Imaging" tab will make a better grayscale gradation on Konica Minolta BW press.
Canon tech here, Varioprint is a beast when used with the high capacity stacker.
A la impresión en negro en la canon si le pones un 15 al 20% de Cían se vera un negro mas fuerte, eso asía cuando trababa en la Solna 125 espero y sirva. Bendiciones!
I had two Varioprint 130 at my last print shop and they outran pretty much any machine I've used since the original Docutech 135. Fantastic quality, gradients and consistency.
Two things I noticed:
It curled heavier cover stock pretty aggressively
I occasionally got dirty spots of extra toner in a run. The machine usually notices and cleans the drum but you have to locate those sheets and pull them out (or over run).
KM was my preferred color machine since they also lay down a more offset (flat) looking image and, when kept up on service, made some fantastic quality prints.
Good to hear. I am liking the varioprints.
Yep the Varioprints with the newer controller requires you to have what they call a SAM key to get into service mode. The ones with the older controller/firmware just required a pin/code to get into service mode
True. However, you can always format the HDD and install version 5.8 or lower to avoid the SAM key. Having said that, if you aren't trained good luck getting the system software to do that. Yes I'm trained on the VarioPrint. Side note, he really needs the EPIM air feeder to optimize that machine
@@markbrinton6790 I agree 100 percent air feed for reals.
Yup, I think this machine will become a boat anchor the first time I need to service it. :)
@@markbrinton6790 I am in Titan class for two weeks learning that beast
@@moochpage3867 nice! Are you in Itasca IL?
What is the thickest paper the konica minolta bizhub c224 printer can handle? Wondering if it would work for 14pt cardstock.
I want to start a digital printing business !!! Which printer do you recommend??? For B/W and color ?
Nice to see the progress in book printing and binding. We also started with perfect binding and then added hardcover binding as well. For small runs we use machines from the German manufacture Schmedt which help a lot making high quality hardcovers. And we are on Konica as well on the b&w side.
Yes, I like the Schmedt machines. I need to look into them for casemaking.
Hello Dan, I'm just curious by asking this question - Do you use a filter especially for toner or an exhaust fan. I heard that toner dust is not good for health. A printer friend of mine uses several production printers and mentioned this issue and he's using a commercial filtration unit for toner dust.
I use a toner vacuum. Has a special filter on it. I have heard toner dust is not good for you either. I have not had issues yet.
@@justaprinter Some studies have shown proximity to toner printers to be a possible health risk in rats, more studies needed. The way I see it is lung damage usually shows up years or even decades after exposure (copd, cancer etc.), so I'd rather not wait for symptoms to develop, and try to replace the volume of air in the room frequently and clean all floors often.
You will be fine on the 115. No waste toner to worry about. Take note on the pick up roller and separator. And also to wipe the internal with a wet cloth to ensure no excessive paper dust in paper path way. Not so good in running letter head or pre printed paper as the residue might stick on the drum belt. Every 40k of constant pre printed paper run need to switch to white paper sometimes to clean the belt.
I'm liking this machine! Thanks for the tips.
my god i love your videos and businnes i got me magicolr5570 for 420eur in 2009 tdy its back at 1200 and i got my 12k color toners for 98eur 4x12k pages set =) its my first evening since 2009 with having revived my beloved good as new magicolor5570
That is awesome!
8:13 varioprint employs direct imaging technology so image quality can hardly be affected by any factors
Thanks!
Hope you have a backup as well. Also during that time rebuilding the array, if any other drive had failed you would have lost data too.
Yes, you should always have a backup, offline and taken off-site. People put way too much trust in RAID. Something as simple as the shelf collapsed or a water leak and that's the end of the whole array. We also have real cases of systems getting hacked and wiped.
@@straightpipediesel Yes RAID is not a backup, it's high availability
Yup, I keep one copy backed up to a hard drive off site and another backup to a remote RAID. I don't mess around lol.
konica minolta c4070 controller unconnected problem
Varioprint will run forever. Need to get yourself the large capacity feed deck. The Direct Press fuser in the DP will produce stunning grayscale, but can scuff very easily. My book customers prefer the text output of the VP over traditional fuser tech. Yes you should of held onto the offset press. Easy to find another one though.
I'm liking the canon.
You have to see the new color machines from KM. C7090/C7100
Have you had your hands on such a machine?
I have not, but I bet they are nice. The new finishing options are awesome too!
So I service Konica machines. I do recommend on any image unit/drum and dev unit replacement to do stabilize and gradation. Also depends if your use OEM toner or generic toner. Also on the paper, I’ve seen paper dust get behind the mag roller on developer. You also could play with fuser temp depending on paper type. Oddly even grain of paper too.
Interesting. How do you do gradation adjustment? I only to density and dot diameter.
@@justaprinter service mode-> image process adjustment->stabilizer and initialization and then same menu run gradation.
@@tonyditty2902 Nice! Thanks!
@@justaprinter I tend to do that with new drum/image units. I also like to look at test pages a full bleed and a very light bleed like 28 or so. It still might not be perfect but should get you close.
dear Tony ditty.
I have konica 70 hc.
I am getting an error message C- E009
ERROR.
PLEASE GIVE ME A SOLUTION.
6:28 I never use internal paper tray, I use external vacuum tray instead
I should track one of those down.
Qualitywise, i think canon is superior but economicwise Konica is superior
Agreed. I looked into Canon in the past and their clicks were higher for sure.
Hello, I'm watching you from Ethiopia, i am looking for CMYK color based; any paper type duplicator machine for my printing and advert business. which machine is do you prefer to me? please advise me!
Any machine that you can get parts and supplies for. :)
Hi, your videos are very informative and enjoyable to watch.
In a previous video you said that your KM presses are able to print carbonless all day, is this a joke or have you really had the opportunity to print a lot of carbonless in a row? I have a KM 2060 under contract and the technician who service it has strongly advised me against printing carbonless on a regular basis or in quantities of more than several thousand sheets because, according to him, it cause a build up of chemical on the rollers of the machine that should be avoided. I bought a second hand Riso Comcolor to print carbonless, but I have problems with the paper passage whereas on my Konica press I never have any jam or double!
I was also wondering if you collate the carbonless sheets with your Horizon collator and if it works well or if you have collating problems?
Thanks and I look forward to watching your videos!
I buy precollated carbonless paper and have no problems. The largest carbonless job I print at once is about 10,000 sheets and I don't have problems. Run them on your 2060.
@@justaprinter The chemicals in the carbon less paper are extracted with the heat from the fusing unit. They will after time affect the machine. Rubber rollers swell causing alignment issues and jamming. Sensors are covered causing error codes. After running the carbonless have a white cloth and run it over paper path you will then see a brown substance come off.
Dear Sir I want to brought Riso Comcolor FT1430 Please suggest my decision is correct or not?
Sorry, I never used one.
Buenas tardes. Podrías poner que se traduzca en ESPAÑOL
Debería poder seleccionar cc y luego traducir automáticamente
It's nice to have an offset duplicator laying around for u never know........
Dan, just curious. I am almost ready to swap my fleet. What are your feeling on Konica. Looking at a couple 14000's plus some black and whites. Have Canon's right now and have had them in the past and not in love with them. Had Xerox for a 12 year span in the past as well. Ricoh and Konica are want to fly me out to their headquarters to play around with gear.. What are your thoughts on both?
look into the plastic papers! my god
I don’t like synthetic stocks.
Hello,am a graphic designer from Kenya and I am inspired when I watch your videos
I have sold both devices and continue to stay alert to market trends. Your description of the image quality is spot on with what I see everyday. As both machines age the KM becomes harder to keep its quality and the Canon stays the same. I have seen Canon's using this process with well over 500,000,000 pages with same results.
Wow, I'm not surprised that the canon will run forever.
If you print 100copies per min and continuous 7hrs a day, 300days a year, It will take completely 40 years without waste a second to complete 500,000,000 print. Hehe! remove few zeroes!!
@@sunilmaharjan1568 Our Ricoh tech says he works on a machine with over 16,000,000.
@@sunilmaharjan1568 If you run it 24/7, 500 000 000 becomes a possible number…
We used dryer sheets (Bounce, etc...) in addition to antistatic tensile on bad days before...
Hi Dan, I am an offset printer from 1m years ago. I watch your channel and think I would love to get back into the game but, for me, I would struggle with the pre-press origination and the transfer and set-up of the machines themselves. I don't follow the "click count" concept and why that is so important, or how that impacts the cost of production. I have so many more questions I would like to ask machinist to machinist, but Pennsylvania is a long way from Western Australia. Anyhow great following along and seeing the new age of printing which is so radically different from how I got started in printing in the dinosaur age of 1967. Great work and good luck with your expansion into case binding. I shall keep watching with interest.
there is a counter in every digital machine that counts A4 (usually) pages. Most shops are under a service contract with the representative of the manufacturer and pay a standard fee per click. The price is of course higher for color than BW and also smaller for more productive/robust machines. This price includes everything from consumables (except from paper) down to servicing fees etc.
Dan is servicing his machines alone but he can still estimate his cost per click after adding up consumables+downtime+service hours he spends. In this way he can make offers that leave him with a standard profit margin and he can still offer competitive prices.
So knowing your click count is very very important and it gives you a very accurate estimate of the daily/monthly/yearly costs and margins.
@@miatacollector Thanks for that Konstantinos, I used to service and maintain my offset machines, which have a manufacturer-recommended service cycle. which often due to pressure of deadlines etc. was not always adhered to, however, I would try to make sure bearings and other moving parts were kept well oiled and clean. Offset's do not have an internal counter to guide and collate the number of impressions through the machine, which might have been a useful feature. thanks again for your response.
@@ericthered982 digital machines have estimates for consumables and they dispay in the menu, the good thing with digital presses is that many modules are user replaceable and if you replace them the machine works as brand new (toner, fuser, you don't just add tonner dust, you replace the whole cartridge). There are of course moving parts, a lot of belts, bearings and some electronic boards that break after a while. I would recommend a servicing contract at least untill you get back to speed, if you decide you want to get into the digital printing game. After this you could probably service your own machines and call a technician only during high production seasons.
@@miatacollector Yeah, a good suggestion. Just watching dan at work I imagine that the internals of the machines would be a very dusty environment, with paper dust, toner, developer, etc. and in Dan's shop the bare concrete floor, which must have an impact on moving parts. Just how dusty is the environment inside the covers and how often do you need to clean them out before they start to affect the work?
@@ericthered982 it really depends on the paper stock you run. If you run mostly uncoated and cheaper book paper, it really affects you, so you run around with compressed air blowing everything, cleaning everything. Toner is not a problem the majority is fused. The machines do have filters and brushes that minimize the issue, but there are spots that accumulate dust after a while. The gradient issue Dan faces in the KM machine might be due to dust.
Hi Dan! Great work, dude! I have a C4080 and a 1052 both with PB-503. Generally this combination makes fun, but I have one big problem and I dont know what to do: Printing on e.g. 90gsm or 100gsm uncoated paper, the prints become after 20 minutes or so extreme wavy on the edges. It looks horrible! I already did lower the fusing temperature and fusing pressure - still no difference. My technician has no idea either. Do you have an idea to avoid this? I used to run a Xerox C60, there I never had the problem.
I do have this from time to time, but the paper typically will flatten out in a few days or more.
Hi Dan , I'm Audrey I'm Brazilian , congratulations for the channel We have a C1070p and in Brazil we are out of toner for this equipment would you have a tip to use toner from another machine , maybe the 71hc one without damaging the machine , sorry for the english I'm using the Google translator
I was told not to use hc toner. I have heard of other people using toner form a different machine but I never have tried yet. Good luck tracking down toner.
Hello Dan, i want help, iam planing new print shop but i confused, which machine is best low cost copy machine, so plz help me, & i have present only B&w print customers, monthly quantity just 150000, A4 sheets required, so plz suggest me low cost maintenance & copy price & machine price & tell me ( iam in INDIAN, stay in Hyderabad ). Plz help me sir
Buy what it available near you and buy something that you can get service for. I like the machines I use
Great channel have been following for some time. We are a print shop based in Ibiza, and looking to purchase a canon v1000, we currently work with a xerox versant 180 but not happy with the quality. Anybody has experience with the v1000?
Not me. Just make sure you can buy parts if you will service yourself.
Texture paper printing settings for Konica c1060. Printing quality is rough, how to adjust it for texture papers.
Konica is not the best for textured paper.
You are the most laid back printer I have ever seen. My Konica Minolta 6000 is great but it always prints TOO RED. Can you suggest a simple way to resolve this in Command Workstation? Or can you recommend a website that will help? Thanks.
Wow, typically my Konicas don't print enough red. You could create a curve that gets applied to all jobs that lowers the magenta.
That's some nice bookbinding equipment, are they available near you, we in South Africa and have to import everything.lol
Yes, I buy everything from somewhere in the USA. Usually auctions.
3:17 What jobs of 10.000 sheets single image black only are still around? Would love to run more of those 1-page bulk jobs.
I agree! Some companies still want it.
Your Bizhub require gradation adjustments. You can do it yourself see em.
Did you mention Canon model you got?
Its a canon 115. I'd love to have direction on gradation adjustment. Can you email me at justaprinterman@gmail.com
You should always have 2+ drive redundancy. What if one of the other drivers dies while it’s rebuilding? You’re screwed…
Totally agree, I have three copies.
That's too funny . It's like a Ford guy and Chevy guy
P.s. I'm Canon guy 😀
I think they will both make money . :)
Sir I am big fan and follower of you 🙏. Iam from Kolkata, India. Sir I just want to know what companies you recommend me for thermal automatic Lamination or you use for your self.
I use D & K Group Autokote Pro. Its a good machine.
Good day Sir, I have been following you for a while now. What's the model of your newly installed Canon? Can it be good for printing on non tearable synthetic photobook substrate? I presently use Xerox C75.
Its a varioprint 115. I don't know much about it.
varioprint is only capable of running copy paper, offset paper is highly likely to contaminate the ttf belt
Good to know.
8:49 varioprint image quality never degrades Yeah!！！
I am finding that out. Its a great machine!
Hello Dan. I watch your videos all the time and it inspires me more and more. Thanks to your videos, I want more and more to finish what I'm doing now and work for a printing house, because the business has long sunk into my soul.
Is it possible to come to you and get to know you and your production better?
good luck and wish you inexhaustible energy
Great to hear!
I need a paper cutter in Santo Domingo and none of those appear here, I like your videos, I have been enjoying them for a while and they have helped me a lot in my business, thanks.
Glad you like them!
What are you asking for the model 20 cutter. Email me back
Whats it worth to you? I would just like it out of here. :)
Curious what your electric kWh add up to on an avg month? I do some things in house but utilize trade printers for the majority of larger and multi-step jobs.
I think we spend about $600 a month, not sure what the kWh is...
It‘s good to see you have a nas. I have a cluster of three nases, and files are managed by crm
Nice!
Where can I find you on eBay? How many links?
Sorry, I sold it all.
you need to make a video on how you open paper by just banging it on the table
Thats easy enough!
hello Dan, thank you for the informative videos. Please i bought a preowned Canon imagepress C910 series. the byepass tray isn't working, so i need to replace it. i have been in search for the bypass for over 4 months now. i can't work *crying* . The authorized distributor of canon in my region doesn't have. i really need to get a seller that has pls. i'm based in Lagos Nigeria. Thanks
Not sure where to buy parts. I'm new to Canon machines.
I’ve been working on all copiers for over 30 years, what you need to do is just Google that part, me personally my company used to be an authorized Canon dealer, but I have no connection to cannon now we switched to Konica Minolta, you need to look up /google some Canon dealers and talk to those people they’re all over the Internet ,you need to Google to find out the age of that machine if that machine is more than 6 or 7 yrs old you’re finished, you might not want to talk to the dealers if you’re looking for some cheap price that’s probably not happening either, just trying to help go to the source nobody out here has that part only the dealers if it’s still available.
Once aging I always wait for your content and appreciate your love of the business.
Might as well enjoy what you do right? :)
you are getting close to jump to the indigo side.
I just might some day.
Oh and I‘m just getting my KM 6136 … after a year we are happy with our 14000, too … but it took time!
Best KM ever was the 1085 until now … it worked 10 m Clicks without any Problems our 1052e 20 m clicks
Awesome! They are all great machines, glad you are getting tons of use out of them.
@@justaprinter first I need to get enough paper ;-)
Nice Press house
Can I come with you?
Thanks!
hi, I like Canon Varioprint machin 👌👍
Me too!
Nice to see that the Canon form-factor stays the same. That Varioprint looks almost the same as the C1 I used to work with 8 years ago ;)
If it works I guess they figure to keep sticking with it. :)
@@justaprinter True! They purchased Océ wich btw was founded in my home town. My first real job was at Océ ;)
Hi Dan, how do you do the end papers for the books?
I buy pre glued endpapers with tabs that get ground off when binding.
I have been following your channel for a long time and it has helped me a lot to make decisions about digital printing. Currently we need to decide between a Konica and a Canon production printer; At the local expo we have seen both and this video has helped us a lot to understand both options. I will be very aware of your new videos about the Canon equipment. Your channel is of great help in an area where it is difficult to find information beyond the technical subject. Thank you!
Great to hear!
Just and FYI have two Konica Minolta 7100's and we are having nothing but trouble with them on color consistence.
@@ronlang3266 I work on Konica C6085. Like it a lot. Never gzve up Konoca for Canon. All digital machines have problem with color consistency Canon too. Lazer printing is in cheap segment. 1st you have to know where are positioned in that scale. Everybody wants to work with cheap stuff but to achieve good result. It's simply impossible
As a konica tech, I can say that the 1200 is a older generation machine and half tones were not that great but the solids are great. The new generation 6136 series addresses that problem. N another note, there is a lot of aftermarket "H" toners that are out there that are causing quality issues with all of the machines. There is a fix that requires a firmware update and software dip switches to be activated.
Interesting, glad to hear the new machines have that improvement!
I am going to buy a refurbished Konica Minolta 1100 What is your opinion? €0.03/click
Are you referring to the Pro 1100 Black and white model, or C1100 color model?
@@Jaystah2 Color model
I don't have experience with that machine. Sorry!
10:24 service password 675756
Thanks!
Do you use compatible toners or original?
I have been using both. OEM is what I'd recommend if you can find them.
I have noticed that the hardcover bound books I bought in recent years are actually perfect bound books glued into hardcover cases. To me this indicates that perfect bind glues are sufficiently advanced to do the job. Is there really any value anymore to sew bindings?
Absolutely. They open flatter, and can be repaired easier. Once the glue on PUR bindings fails the pages fall out, sewn bindings can be reglued as the thread will not degrade nearly as fast. Sewn books can open super flat, often with no gutter at all, PUR can never do this. Sure there’s other benefits but these are two good ones.
@@leooglecevac4586 Ok, but:
1. PUR glue does not grow old and fail like previous glues did.
2. Not true. There are layflat perfect bindings. The way it is done is a flexible backing is placed instead of gluing directly to the cover, and the backing is glued to the cover in a way that allows it to fan out. As mentioned, many or even most hardcover books are now done this way. They add a cloth outer edge to simulate sew bindings. Try opening a modern hardcover and you will probably find that it is actually a perfect bound in disguise.
@@leooglecevac4586 also i think special papers not work with glue. some how think ih eared such even not at all specialist for pro printing.
First view from kanpur uttar pradesh india pls take my name in your next vedio lists of love 💕
You have a bad name😂
@@nasrhussain9126 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome, thanks for watching and commenting.
Why not buy an Indigo ?
I should, Indigos have the best output available. Maybe some day.
get your self a konica minolta km1
only costs like 2.6 mil
I would like one, some day!
why dont buy xerox
All brands will work, its personal preference. For me, I cannot service xerox.
I'm a Ricoh technician and I find your videos quite interesting because it gives me insite on high volume machines that I don't get to work on. It will be interesting to which performs better in terms of costs, downtime, availability of spares, speed
What do you think about a pro 5100-6502? I was considering upgrading to one of those (used) eventually. I was thinking buying the 751 but its way out of my budget, alongside a new pro 5300
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
@@nico8273 I don't work with these particular models but did ask some of my colleagues that do.
They said that it's best to stay away 751. Also the 5100 or 6502 is a decent machine as long as its been well maintained. Plus be careful of the worldwide toner shortages at the moment
@@nico8273 for sure not the 5100, I have some customers that aren't satisfied. I think that now the best printing machine for a medium volume are made by Canon and K.M. Take a look to imagePRESS C710 or K.M. 4080 (I'm a Canon seller, in the 2018 we have sold some Ricoh's). Canon is great for printing with natural paper and heavy paper, Konica is really good for coated, both are reliable. Sorry for my English, I hope I was helpful!
brazililan paper :v
I like any kind of paper these days!
Cannons are Cadillac's and konica's are chevys. I'm a certified Xerox, Konica, and HP tech. My customers who went from Cannon to Konica in Mid range regretted it. =/
Interesting, I could see that. Thanks for commenting!
dear Dan...
I am having konica 70 hc.
I am getting an error C-E009
I have loaded firmware but the error not going.
cleaned all sockets of PRCB AND PR IPB
AND MEMERORY BOARD.
I HAVE ALSO CHANGED THE CONNECTING CABLE BETWEEN PRCB AND PRIPB,BUT NO USE.
please give a solution
Oh boy, this is way over my head. Sorry!