I heard a rumor that you play at our local store from time to time. If you ever see an admech player with a blue and orange army come say hi sometime! I’d love to shake your hand for being an awesome channel!
they will have so some chapters performing well while the base sm will suffer. This is how it has always been. Just the sideeffect of the release favouritisim= Way to much content to even begin balance And how the chapter expansions work= Hard to balance base posterboys while having to factor in SUPER posterboys
I don’t know that Guard are really that hurt by this change. The bullgryn go out of the list and probably so does Lord solar he was needed to be able to order the tank commanders and Bullgryn but with losing the bullgryn and tank commanders ordering themselves now that’s surplus to requirement. You lose the CP generation but are now wildly more efficient with tank commanders. The lord solar blob is more than the cost of a tank commander for way less output
Took me 3 months to finally get a decent competitive list that earned me a 2nd place at a Delaware gt and now that list is over 50 points. Think im gonna shelve my BT until their codex come out
Easiest way to fix marines is not to allow other chapters to use codex marine detachments, simple, if chaos can’t do it, why are marines allowed?!? They could then adjust the points more fairly rather than slap a massive increase due to a specific chapter in a specific detachment
I really want to play a melee sisters list but how the penitent host detachment works is aggravating. Hopefully I can make the Army of Faith work with Zeraphim and Repentia?
Im not seeing the kroot hunting pack ever being good again with the hard nerfs it got alongside some nerfs it caught due to other factions. What made the detachment good was the respawning kroot that were hyper durable for what their points were. Now you have nerfs to hammerheads, Riptides, and Piranhas, which were largely the best independent sources of damage that didnt rely on detachment buffs or the army buff to be good. Now its just going to be similar to Flappy Boy Jail that Ad Mech could do before this recent round of nerfs. I dont see the Kroot Hunting pack ever coming back.
I’ve been playing penitent host for a while now and I’ve always played it where you had to choose one of the benefits every turn. Not having those rules turns 4-5 never really hurt as most of your penitent units are dead. And those who are not can be really annoying with your strat’s. The real nerf to the list is the triumph, but it was deserved, and making seriphm more expensive makes points scoring a bit more difficult. I imagine penitent host may actually see an uptick in players now that bringers of the flame meta is slightly less viable. Great video by the way.
Sulpherhounds being about to shell out mortals on a 2+ if they start a charge near battleline units is kinda awesome. I traded all my bat boys for horse dogs and I’m having a blast
I really like the look of Ravenwing going into the new meta. The speeders being cheaper is going to allow for a lot more flexibility in lists. I’m just wondering if I would try to fit infiltrators into the list
Imperial Guard overall got buffed. Tank commanders got a huge damage buff, Lord solar is no longer necessary and Bullgryn weren't necessary if youre running chimeras.
Yeah have to agree the whole thing was a net win for the guard. Being able to order our tank commanders and the points cuts to scout sentinels is amazing and now some other units are looking tasty. Personally the for changes to the Tank Commander being able to order itself now and getting lethal hits I would pay the extra points no questions asked. Only people who really lost out was those playing Bullgryn lists though I’m not one of them. Honestly think we got a good buff though not as big as some of the other factions but to call what happened a big lose is a complete miss read in my mind.
Totally agreed had posted my own comment and then saw this reposting here for relevancy I don’t know that Guard are really that hurt by this change. The bullgryn go out of the list and probably so does Lord solar he was needed to be able to order the tank commanders and Bullgryn but with losing the bullgryn and tank commanders ordering themselves now that’s surplus to requirement. You lose the CP generation but are now wildly more efficient with tank commanders. The lord solar blob is more than the cost of a tank commander for way less output
@@hexzinggaming5040 i cut the lord solar blob from my list and turned all my tanks to TCs with Demolisher cannons. Saved enough points to throw in another Cadian blobs with creed and a command squad
@@Swordsmansmith87 Personally gonna use Lord Solar in a few of my lists still but some I won’t. Mostly Lord Solar will only be for my mechanised tank list so I can order chimera and non tank commanders if I go silly on number of tanks. As I’m thinking I’ll have three tank Commanders (one with grand strategist) plus a LEMAN RUSS EXTERMINATOR for even more ap though might go for a rogal dorn as Road block. Gonna have a lot of scout sentinels as well.
@@Swordsmansmith87 Sure but its 90 points more expensive running triple ACDC, that is equivalent of missing on 5 legionaires or 1 chaos lord, the list will be weaker than before. Other lists that started weaker than the triple ACDC might be stronger now. If those lists are remain worse than the worsened triple ACDC list depends on the changes the other factions go trough as well and the changes made to Chaos Knights Allies (which actually got cheaper) or Chaos Demons. Overall I think it is a sidegrade and lists will have to adapt, if they cant adapt and triple ACDC is stil the BEST choice we have then Chaos just got nerfed and will have an even lower winrate than now and might struggle getting GT wins as often as they do now but hey Thousand Sons and Sister Of Battle got nerfed a lot more, so maybe the winrate mighht even increase, only time will tell.
the Templar nerfs make no sense. One guy pulls off a win with a crusader spam list and GW decides Black Templars are too powerful despite their dismal winrate after their Ironstorm nerfs.
A single frenchman wins a big event with an extremelt.expensive skew.list and we immediately get dinged for it. I have not seen that Crusader spam list pop up outside of a handful of events.
Blame Dark Angels I guess? SM being in such a state but unable to fix due to the non codex compliant chapters is atrocious. Until they give normal SM and the other SM chapters different points or limit what detachments they can use I don't know how they'd fix them. Buffing Aeldari isn't a bad move though. Fire prisms and Falcons going down is a surprise but I'm all for the smaller wraith units and the knight going down in points. Ideally I'd like to see more incentives for bringing other phoenix lords, avengers, Reapers etc...
Not really much of a buff, no significant points decreases although they didnt get any increases so that should tell you something about aeldari after the fate dice nerf. The wraiths change was to entice msu lists by making the 5 man cheaper; and the wraithknight going down only 15 points is a joke, its equivalent to a questoris knight for quite alot more points. Aeldari were one of the last to get their codex for 9th so currently arent on the same power scale as those that have gotten their 10th codex.
@@danjones3012 I don't know, I'm tempted to run a wraithknight! With how towering works with ruins, access to fire and fade and strategic reserve... I think they have edge case uses
@@0MaxK0 yeah the fire and fade tricks still work like they always have but your opponent if wise enough knows this and can let you play hide n go seek all game with not much to shoot at by using obscuring cover.
@@danjones3012 thought about that, hoping to use a load of lone op and tough units for scoring to force my opponent into the mid board . It may work, might be terrible who knows but I am excited to use the dumb knight regardless!
Very curious if GSC can partake in the whole combat side of the game now. There score and die was already good and now has only gotten way better. But i still personally do not see any relevant overall output.
Very sad about the templar nerfs :( I thought it was fun using crusader spam, now I'll just to use 3 sword brethren which is still fun tho very different playstyle ofc
heya. sorry to bother you. but im suoer curious what would a 2k point list of 3 sword bros uunits look like? Im assuming 2 units of scouts and 3 impulsors, maybe 2 inceptors? what else
Sisters lists aren't going to change much, because BoF just makes Sisters better at doing what they need to do anyway. The only way to kill vehicles and monsters is to point-blank them with Melta weapons and hope you survive, because the only long-ranged anti-tank they have is the Castigator or the hilariously overcosted Exorcist (15 points more expensive than a Manticore, which has better range and doesn't have to pick between anti-vehicle and anti-infantry, plus lethal hits if it can see the target). Anything that gives your Melta units a better chance of killing the target before getting shredded by counter fire is something you HAVE to take. The only potential change I can see is people switching to Army of Faith in order to guarantee at least one Melta shot will wound and deal max damage, but that depends on being lucky with miracle dice. The basic force composition isn't going to change, it'll just be smaller.
@@davidjones4772 1 more shot, D6 damage versus 3 so potentially better, potentially worse unless you spend miracle dice, and Storm Rockets have Heavy, so if the Manticore doesn't move, it has the same BS (and with 120 inch indirect fire, it does not need to move). That's better, but it's not 15 points better.
Bullgryns went up in points and were featured heavily in winning lists before. So if you consider Guard winners or losers depends a lot if you favor the Bullgryn meta or not. But yes, a lot of Guard lists can be considered winners and casual Guard players will love the changes even more.
hehe agree but dont agree with them being big winners... their enhancements are trash on small knights and the decrease in pts only allows 1 more nurgling squad... only thing that makes ck much better is a new codex
3 things that don't work Rule of 3 Releasing new editions every 3 years when in 3 years that never achieve balance and when they get close they turn it upside down for us the play testers who pay to test through the miserable rolacaoster every 3 years for the sake of greedy profit ( Premium price n time spent for budget rules and experience ) And finally detachments sharing the same points pool
@DownUnderWarboss Get? They just took second at LGT. The army isn't the problem it's skill. Id win more games with my world eaters but I'm not Anthony vanella.
So Orks Bully Boys and Green Tide got nerfed. Kult Of Speed stayed unplayable the entire time. Seems like a great time to roll back the Bully Boys and Green Tide Nerfs. High fives all around at GW, a job well done. (Stabs self in eye)
Templars primaris crusaders are the same cost as regular assault intercessors but get an extra attack an extra power fist and an extra power weapon. Theyre fine in 10 mans
custodes didnt get anything besides an indirect nerf by Canis going up 15 points. No one played the dreads, not because they're overcosted, but because their movement is 6" and dont have assault weapons. Plus it's a vehicle so it can't walk through ruin walls like infantry can. Bring the movement back up to 8" and there might be something. Chaos demons I can't speak for.
Because nothing important changed. No one was playing dreadnoughts or bikes since they’re either too slow or too weak. Those are the ones that got the point buff.
@@demarek chaos Knights, orks, space marines, and imp agents are lower. They are 1 percent behind csm and templars. 46% is a fine, if slightly hard to pilot, winrate. Get good, or just keep complaining about a lore change that doesn't affect how bad you are at the game.
just because you are sexsist does not mean the faction is bad. They only got buffs this update. The only thing they really need now is a way to get past damage reduction: a.i. a trajan reset (Without the fight first though, that shit does not belong on units which hit ungodly hard AND are absurdly durable)
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I heard a rumor that you play at our local store from time to time. If you ever see an admech player with a blue and orange army come say hi sometime! I’d love to shake your hand for being an awesome channel!
As someone who plays only Orks and GSC, this feels great!
like to see my sm hit their 36% winrate
They are right now 36%, now we will get down to 30%.
Play Ultramarines
they will have so some chapters performing well while the base sm will suffer.
This is how it has always been.
Just the sideeffect of the release favouritisim= Way to much content to even begin balance
And how the chapter expansions work= Hard to balance base posterboys while having to factor in SUPER posterboys
@@Klierowskiwe should really aim higher, 25% is totally achievable! 😅
I don’t know that Guard are really that hurt by this change. The bullgryn go out of the list and probably so does Lord solar he was needed to be able to order the tank commanders and Bullgryn but with losing the bullgryn and tank commanders ordering themselves now that’s surplus to requirement. You lose the CP generation but are now wildly more efficient with tank commanders. The lord solar blob is more than the cost of a tank commander for way less output
Black templars got HAMMERED. My tournament list went up about 40 points for the 3rd or 4th slate on the bounce. Gutted.
Took me 3 months to finally get a decent competitive list that earned me a 2nd place at a Delaware gt and now that list is over 50 points. Think im gonna shelve my BT until their codex come out
@@sneezeguard117 I've never done better than 4th. Rate annoyed
@real-lomas-chenko good, 100 Crusaders was way too op. Crusader blobs with Helbrecht etc were way too cheap for what they do.
@Swordsmansmith87 I used 3 times 10 so kiss my arse.
And no one uses 100 anyway, barring a high profile French win
Easiest way to fix marines is not to allow other chapters to use codex marine detachments, simple, if chaos can’t do it, why are marines allowed?!?
They could then adjust the points more fairly rather than slap a massive increase due to a specific chapter in a specific detachment
I really want to play a melee sisters list but how the penitent host detachment works is aggravating. Hopefully I can make the Army of Faith work with Zeraphim and Repentia?
Im not seeing the kroot hunting pack ever being good again with the hard nerfs it got alongside some nerfs it caught due to other factions. What made the detachment good was the respawning kroot that were hyper durable for what their points were. Now you have nerfs to hammerheads, Riptides, and Piranhas, which were largely the best independent sources of damage that didnt rely on detachment buffs or the army buff to be good. Now its just going to be similar to Flappy Boy Jail that Ad Mech could do before this recent round of nerfs. I dont see the Kroot Hunting pack ever coming back.
As a Orknplayer who’s army rule only works for one of the five turns in a game the SOBs only getting three turns of rules isn’t so bad. 😂
I’ve been playing penitent host for a while now and I’ve always played it where you had to choose one of the benefits every turn. Not having those rules turns 4-5 never really hurt as most of your penitent units are dead. And those who are not can be really annoying with your strat’s. The real nerf to the list is the triumph, but it was deserved, and making seriphm more expensive makes points scoring a bit more difficult. I imagine penitent host may actually see an uptick in players now that bringers of the flame meta is slightly less viable. Great video by the way.
i'll still be playing BoF tbh (still trying to get my hands on immolators :p) but wouldn't hurt to get more penitent units for Host.
Sulpherhounds being about to shell out mortals on a 2+ if they start a charge near battleline units is kinda awesome. I traded all my bat boys for horse dogs and I’m having a blast
Orks looking good!
I really like the look of Ravenwing going into the new meta. The speeders being cheaper is going to allow for a lot more flexibility in lists. I’m just wondering if I would try to fit infiltrators into the list
Imperial Guard overall got buffed. Tank commanders got a huge damage buff, Lord solar is no longer necessary and Bullgryn weren't necessary if youre running chimeras.
Definitely excited for more non-Solar lists for sure 😉
Yeah have to agree the whole thing was a net win for the guard. Being able to order our tank commanders and the points cuts to scout sentinels is amazing and now some other units are looking tasty. Personally the for changes to the Tank Commander being able to order itself now and getting lethal hits I would pay the extra points no questions asked. Only people who really lost out was those playing Bullgryn lists though I’m not one of them.
Honestly think we got a good buff though not as big as some of the other factions but to call what happened a big lose is a complete miss read in my mind.
Totally agreed had posted my own comment and then saw this reposting here for relevancy
I don’t know that Guard are really that hurt by this change. The bullgryn go out of the list and probably so does Lord solar he was needed to be able to order the tank commanders and Bullgryn but with losing the bullgryn and tank commanders ordering themselves now that’s surplus to requirement. You lose the CP generation but are now wildly more efficient with tank commanders. The lord solar blob is more than the cost of a tank commander for way less output
@@hexzinggaming5040 i cut the lord solar blob from my list and turned all my tanks to TCs with Demolisher cannons. Saved enough points to throw in another Cadian blobs with creed and a command squad
@@Swordsmansmith87 Personally gonna use Lord Solar in a few of my lists still but some I won’t. Mostly Lord Solar will only be for my mechanised tank list so I can order chimera and non tank commanders if I go silly on number of tanks. As I’m thinking I’ll have three tank Commanders (one with grand strategist) plus a LEMAN RUSS EXTERMINATOR for even more ap though might go for a rogal dorn as Road block. Gonna have a lot of scout sentinels as well.
No mention of Chaos Space Marines? Weird.
I think they wil be near the bottom of sidegraded, competitive ACDC got nerfed but other not as muched choices got buffed.
@@MeAndSomeRandoms i mean it got slightly nerfed. I think the triple acdc list will still have a win rate far above everything else
@@Swordsmansmith87 Sure but its 90 points more expensive running triple ACDC, that is equivalent of missing on 5 legionaires or 1 chaos lord, the list will be weaker than before. Other lists that started weaker than the triple ACDC might be stronger now. If those lists are remain worse than the worsened triple ACDC list depends on the changes the other factions go trough as well and the changes made to Chaos Knights Allies (which actually got cheaper) or Chaos Demons. Overall I think it is a sidegrade and lists will have to adapt, if they cant adapt and triple ACDC is stil the BEST choice we have then Chaos just got nerfed and will have an even lower winrate than now and might struggle getting GT wins as often as they do now but hey Thousand Sons and Sister Of Battle got nerfed a lot more, so maybe the winrate mighht even increase, only time will tell.
the Templar nerfs make no sense. One guy pulls off a win with a crusader spam list and GW decides Black Templars are too powerful despite their dismal winrate after their Ironstorm nerfs.
A single frenchman wins a big event with an extremelt.expensive skew.list and we immediately get dinged for it.
I have not seen that Crusader spam list pop up outside of a handful of events.
Sir, Vanilla Marines are below 45%, what do we do?!
Better buff Aeldari!
Blame Dark Angels I guess? SM being in such a state but unable to fix due to the non codex compliant chapters is atrocious. Until they give normal SM and the other SM chapters different points or limit what detachments they can use I don't know how they'd fix them.
Buffing Aeldari isn't a bad move though. Fire prisms and Falcons going down is a surprise but I'm all for the smaller wraith units and the knight going down in points. Ideally I'd like to see more incentives for bringing other phoenix lords, avengers, Reapers etc...
Not really much of a buff, no significant points decreases although they didnt get any increases so that should tell you something about aeldari after the fate dice nerf.
The wraiths change was to entice msu lists by making the 5 man cheaper; and the wraithknight going down only 15 points is a joke, its equivalent to a questoris knight for quite alot more points.
Aeldari were one of the last to get their codex for 9th so currently arent on the same power scale as those that have gotten their 10th codex.
@@danjones3012 I don't know, I'm tempted to run a wraithknight! With how towering works with ruins, access to fire and fade and strategic reserve... I think they have edge case uses
@@0MaxK0 yeah the fire and fade tricks still work like they always have but your opponent if wise enough knows this and can let you play hide n go seek all game with not much to shoot at by using obscuring cover.
@@danjones3012 thought about that, hoping to use a load of lone op and tough units for scoring to force my opponent into the mid board . It may work, might be terrible who knows but I am excited to use the dumb knight regardless!
Very curious if GSC can partake in the whole combat side of the game now.
There score and die was already good and now has only gotten way better.
But i still personally do not see any relevant overall output.
Very sad about the templar nerfs :( I thought it was fun using crusader spam, now I'll just to use 3 sword brethren which is still fun tho very different playstyle ofc
heya. sorry to bother you. but im suoer curious what would a 2k point list of 3 sword bros uunits look like? Im assuming 2 units of scouts and 3 impulsors, maybe 2 inceptors? what else
@@AdrianGarcia-px2qx High Marshal Helbrecht (120pts): Ferocity, Sword of the High Marshals, Warlord
The Emperor's Champion (75pts): Black Sword, Bolt Pistol
Captain (95pts): Perdition's Edge, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle, Melee Weapon, Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle, Power Fist
Chaplain in Terminator Armour (110pts): Crozius Arcanum, Tannhauser's Bones, Relic Shield
Lieutenant (65pts): Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle & Melee Weapon, Master-crafted Power Weapon, Heavy Bolt Pistol, Master-crafted Bolt Rifle
5x Intercessor Squad (80pts)
5x Infiltrator Squad (100pts)
10x Primaris Sword Brethren (300pts)
5x Primaris Sword Brethren (150pts)
10x Primaris Sword Brethren (300pts)
5x Scout Squad (65pts)
5x Scout Squad (65pts)
10x Terminator Assault Squad (370pts)
Black Templars Impulsor (90pts): Armoured Hull, Bellicatus Missile Array, Multi-melta, 2 Fragstorm Grenade Launchers
Sisters lists aren't going to change much, because BoF just makes Sisters better at doing what they need to do anyway. The only way to kill vehicles and monsters is to point-blank them with Melta weapons and hope you survive, because the only long-ranged anti-tank they have is the Castigator or the hilariously overcosted Exorcist (15 points more expensive than a Manticore, which has better range and doesn't have to pick between anti-vehicle and anti-infantry, plus lethal hits if it can see the target). Anything that gives your Melta units a better chance of killing the target before getting shredded by counter fire is something you HAVE to take. The only potential change I can see is people switching to Army of Faith in order to guarantee at least one Melta shot will wound and deal max damage, but that depends on being lucky with miracle dice. The basic force composition isn't going to change, it'll just be smaller.
I like how you left out that the exorcist has better damage, more shots and better bs in the manticore comparison.
@@davidjones4772 1 more shot, D6 damage versus 3 so potentially better, potentially worse unless you spend miracle dice, and Storm Rockets have Heavy, so if the Manticore doesn't move, it has the same BS (and with 120 inch indirect fire, it does not need to move). That's better, but it's not 15 points better.
Don't forget they are also nerfing miracle dice generation in december
Drukhari are weeping 😢
Even cute gasped at the sisters nerf
csm where?
Lion is 285... what am I supposed to do with 15 pts gw!?!?
At least it will balance out the price increase of a DWK unit.
What are you talking about? Guard are winners from these changes!
Bullgryns went up in points and were featured heavily in winning lists before. So if you consider Guard winners or losers depends a lot if you favor the Bullgryn meta or not. But yes, a lot of Guard lists can be considered winners and casual Guard players will love the changes even more.
CK keep spamming those wardogs! Maybe we will figure out a reason to take the big ones.
hehe agree but dont agree with them being big winners... their enhancements are trash on small knights and the decrease in pts only allows 1 more nurgling squad... only thing that makes ck much better is a new codex
3 things that don't work
Rule of 3
Releasing new editions every 3 years when in 3 years that never achieve balance and when they get close they turn it upside down for us the play testers who pay to test through the miserable rolacaoster every 3 years for the sake of greedy profit
( Premium price n time spent for budget rules and experience )
And finally detachments sharing the same points pool
Didn't get alot of sleep last night huh
Also streaming every day this week apparently
Pay more attention to inky
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I see a Uprade to the old falcon molds coming.
Sisters points are BS
hehe more marine nerfs XD Gdubs every single balance slate
It's not going to be enough to get into the top tiers for the Orks.
@DownUnderWarboss Get? They just took second at LGT. The army isn't the problem it's skill. Id win more games with my world eaters but I'm not Anthony vanella.
@Swordsmansmith87 it's really more just about the matchups, Orks just have some really tough matchups.
So Orks Bully Boys and Green Tide got nerfed. Kult Of Speed stayed unplayable the entire time.
Seems like a great time to roll back the Bully Boys and Green Tide Nerfs.
High fives all around at GW, a job well done. (Stabs self in eye)
The Penitent Host clarification killed my interest in it. Over to Army of Faith now.
Templars primaris crusaders are the same cost as regular assault intercessors but get an extra attack an extra power fist and an extra power weapon. Theyre fine in 10 mans
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RIP Custodes and Chaos Demons. Didn't even get mentioned.
custodes didnt get anything besides an indirect nerf by Canis going up 15 points. No one played the dreads, not because they're overcosted, but because their movement is 6" and dont have assault weapons. Plus it's a vehicle so it can't walk through ruin walls like infantry can. Bring the movement back up to 8" and there might be something. Chaos demons I can't speak for.
Because nothing important changed. No one was playing dreadnoughts or bikes since they’re either too slow or too weak. Those are the ones that got the point buff.
Poor custodes. Once they got their females, it has only be downhill...
Their codex got huge buffs a while ago and this balance pass only brought good things. Cry more.
@@captaincorundum9788 they are bottom of the list with win rates. Lol. What are you talking about?
@@demarek chaos Knights, orks, space marines, and imp agents are lower. They are 1 percent behind csm and templars. 46% is a fine, if slightly hard to pilot, winrate. Get good, or just keep complaining about a lore change that doesn't affect how bad you are at the game.
just because you are sexsist does not mean the faction is bad.
They only got buffs this update.
The only thing they really need now is a way to get past damage reduction: a.i. a trajan reset (Without the fight first though, that shit does not belong on units which hit ungodly hard AND are absurdly durable)
@@galling2052 at first I missed fights first, then I just learned how to play without it through proper screening and positioning