Chris Pitchforth You will notice that they never speak of the stories written in the Bible or any of it's subjects? You notice they'll choose a subject like telling lies then embellish how great god is. The people are bad but God is good. Every church I went into they wanted to tell me of my problems and financial woes When I really had none.
Old and tried tactic that still works. I know of an orange moron who consistently gets called out on his lies and then lies and calls those would called him out "fake news". The tactic works.
Mike, for the mentally challenged. Plus, please remember a lot of people live in an alternate reality than us. Like my cousin, when I was 6 & he was 4, his parents followed him around like he was Tutankhamen. I looked at my dad & said, "What'll happen to him when he gets drafted?" My dad looked to the sky, shook his head & said, "Reality will come crashing down." It did. He's permanently insane. He insists that his dad who was dirt poor, had a motor yacht down in Mission Bay & at midnight after working 10 hours a day would go out find a naked child & take him out & rape &beat & torture him & dump the body overboard. by the way, it was a 2 hour trip both ways to the ocean. It was an hour drive from his work to his house as well.
With out the hard work of people like Eric Hovand, Ken Ham & Ray Comfort the large increase of non believers in the last decade wouldn't of been possible.
josh beaty true. Also if it wasn't for someone (in my case, my brother) who pointed out the sever lack in reason and logic these people used I may still be so lost and ignorant because learning that destroyed my positive view of creationists spokesmen.
I find it so insane when someone says "here is a belief I hold and a code I live by" Then you point out that they have violated their own code Then they go "well, you don't live by this code anyway, so you have no right to point out that I've broken it!" Yes, we do. If you claim to live a life where you are an honest person, and someone demonstrates that you are not an honest person, you're the one with the problem, not the guy pointing it out.
Eric Smith So let me get this straight. -The Bible doesn't state an exact date for the beginning so that's somehow proof that the Earth is not 6000 years old even though it, again does not establish a specific time period. Not dendrochronology or radiometric dating. -It's obvious that God made the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. As if I could go outside, look at the world, and then conclude, "Yep. The Earth was obviously made in 6 days by a God who rested afterwards." That's why people need a book to tell them that.
@Eric Smith It's funny how there are atheist who know the Bible better than Christian's. But fine. If you don't want to actually challenge my points and remain ignorant, that's your problem.
As a retired science teacher I love it when I learn new things about science that I didn't know. I had no idea that we could calculate a difference in the rate that the moon is moving away based on the configuration of the continents, but I'm fascinated by that. I do wonder, however, why there is no discussion of the origin of the moon itself.
Just stumbled across youir channel and I love what you are doing. As an ex-fundamentalist Christian (now an Athiest), I can very much relate to your video. Keep up the great work - as your channel becomes more well known, you will help thousands (Thus saith the Lord)
This came out within a few days/weeks of our meeting each other. I am genuinely proud to be your friend. Almost no one I have met because of our association has been anything short of the shade of beige that I am. Pretty sure I'd never watched this one before. I've got a friend whose high school science education was the Hovind tapes. I kinda wish you guys could meet, now that I think of it. Anyway, thank you for contacting me that night. My life might have been VERY different without it and I thank you for it. - A. Branesample
Thanks Paul, love the videos. My little addition to Eric's co host's question about why atheists even bother about learning about the bible and the commandments, you wouldn't sit down to play cards with someone for a game you know nothing about.
Hi Paul, I'm just going through your videos from the oldest and am really enjoying your style. I wanted to point out that I'm very glad you promote other youtubers who you respect because I can never get enough good information. I was referred to your channel by GM Skeptic so I thank him too! Keep it up if you don't burn out. Or take a break and return. We don't want to lose you from the many voices that competently provide critique with entertainment. Again, I can never get enough. Thanks.
Another great video Paul. Well done. I watched all Potholer54’s content before I found your channel and I love that it is getting a fresh airing here. I really love the way you present it in your charming style and in the context of your series on Eric Hovind. Potholer54 certainly loathes Kent even more than Eric I think. It’s kinda like you are now engaged in a second generation battle between decent honest rational people who accept science vs the the lying, self enriching creationists who ignore and disparage it. Although I think the good guys have greater numbers now and thanks to people like you, more exponents able to reach more and different people. Thanks for your work. It’s really important. For “first generation” debunking of creationist nonsense, Potholer54 is still great IMHO. He now focuses on Climate Change denial, which I fear is even more scary and important... He has a very devoted following for that material and I really recommend it for anyone concerned about the phoney debate that is polluting progress on that issue. Anyway, kudos for pointing everyone at his channel. He deserves 10x as many subscribers as he has right now :) As do you of course. Scouts honour, I will give you both a shout out in comments from now on!
Fantastic job, Paul; it amazes me how similar our stories are, and it brings me joy to see you giving those lying scoundrels what they deserve. I'm currently working on a video to end that nonsense about absolute morals, once and for all, and people like the Hovinds, Ray Comfort, and Turek are my main targets and influences. Keep on fighting the good fight 👍
Love this. Thanks. It is this sort of presentation (Eric's) that makes me marvel at how fair and civil you managed to be when having the long discussion with him. He may have grown in sophistication as an entertainer since then. But he is still telling the same lies. Love your work. Thanks.
It was one degree colder in temperature yesterday than today, and a degree colder again the day before that. So if you extrapolate back one year, it means the earth was 365 degrees colder. Creationist logic. 🎓 F🚫 💯 ☑ 🤦♂️
My daughter is an atheist because of this very issue. Creationists lie to try to prove their point and anyone who understands evolution knows that they are lying. My 15 year old figured out years ago that if they have to lie to prove their point, it's because they know what they are really selling is crap. Ken Ham made my daughter an atheist. So good job, Ken.
Lying for Jesus What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them. ~ Martin Luther (1483-11-10 1546-02-18 age:62)
Paul, with every video i watch of yours i am again impressed with your courage and your caring... Thanks.... you deserve some love for all your good work here.
Thanks for pointing out the lies. I'm enthusiastic to see more and I subscribed. My feedback is that when you video quoted the christians, the fact that the lipsync was out was quite off putting.
As much as I know about KH, and his shenanigans, you would think I would not want to listen to him. But how he talks and says things in front of his audience is almost hypnotic. Good job, Paul.
Upon reflection I find that anger lurks just underneath the surface with only my eyes peeking above the water. The cessation of trying to normalize and sanitize the bullshit wears thin rather quickly.
Weaseling: when one says something, often deliberately, in a way that is ambiguous enough that it sounds serious, but can always be reclaimed as a joke/an exaggeration/ (hyperbole) or have some alternative, more benign meaning.
I love how you don't let him wriggle out of it with deflections. This is what actual accountability and actual debate should be. Don't let creation "scientist" get away with lies. Don't let them brush it aside when their arguments don't hold water and definitely not when they say things they know are false and refuse to correct!
This was as angry as I've seen Paul...and yet he was still dead calm. What I love about this channel that I don't love about almost any other channel dealing with (a)thiesm is how Paul steers clear of emotion and hyperbole. Precisely because if I were in his shoes, I know I wouldn't have that level of self-control.
The ninth commandment is a legalistic phrase “don’t bear false witness against your neighbor (I.e. fellow Jew)”. Don’t falsely accuse someone of doing something bad. Other lies are rewarded in the Bible
I think the simplest analogy would be compound interest, although the math on that is more complicated than I'd like, so I'm just going to use words. If a flat interest rate counts the initial amount of money in an account and applies a flat rate to it, then the amount gained every time the interest is applied stays the same. You put in 100$, you have a 5% interest rate monthly, that means at the end of the year you have 160$ because 5% of 100$ for twelve months would be 5$*12 which is 60$. I used math. I'm not going to calculate the next bit though. Compound interest isn't a flat rate. You put in 100$, and then it applies the rate to it for the first month. Next month, it applies the rate to the new amount, 105$, giving you slightly more than the first five dollars. Over time, the amount of interest being applies will get higher and higher. If you remove money, you get a smaller amount of interest. The smaller the total, the smaller the interest. Compound interest from 95$ wouldn't amount to 100$, because while the flat rate was 5% applied to 100$ meaning 5$ a pop, the compound version would apply 5% to 95$, which isn't 5$. It's 4.75$. Five percent of 10$ would be fifty cents, which is quite different from five dollars. The Moon will escape faster and faster over time as the forces involved push and pull in different amounts. This means that as you go back in time, it's escaping slower and slower. Eric, being homeschooled by a functionally illiterate violently abusive psychopath conman, can only understand a simple linear growth. If it's 1 degree hotter today than it was yesterday, then the world will end before three months pass as temperatures rise one degree per day forever, and humanity could not even exist as a mere two months ago it was so far below freezing that every human froze solid where they stood, and a year ago from today it would've been -365 degrees Celsius, which is impossible because absolute zero is -273C. The real world doesn't work the way simple-minded abused parrot-like simpletons like Eric think it does. Assuming Eric is capable of thinking, which is _not_ a given. *as a note, I'm probably using flat interest and compound interest incorrectly and inaccurately, but I figured it'd do for simple examples using familiar terminology. That's why I said "if". I can't imagine any bank giving you the same interest deposit on the initial amount of money in your account after you take all of it back out again. I am _not_ a banker, it probably shows. Still not as stupid as Eric Hovind.
Science told us that the US would experience a midday eclipse , the summer of "2018. They told us where it could best be viewed adding a map showing the time it would pass over certain cities. Has religion ever given us such accurate. Information, NO
Glad to see you put this video up, you do understand the math involved is actual estimates of past continental movement, not a factual known number? So for a scientist to make these calculation it requires an estimate of past events which no one has data on. In making estimates one can always move the numbers to favor their position. Even using 1/2 values you will get to a point the tides washes over continents far before the 1.2 billion years needed. At 1.5 inches a year at this time, your looking at a point in history of water not being retain in it's basins and over flowing it's containment, this is long before your get to 1.2 billion years ago.
You'll notice I wasn't making the science claim here, but talking about Eric's lying about lying. But let's set that aside. "Using half values"... half values of what? Of Eric's linear idea. We know it's not linear, so it doesn't matter what percent of it you take, it's not relevant. But perhaps you meant something else, and I definitely want to know what the real science is, so can you point me to more information on this basin retaining problem? Does secular science address this at all, and if so what is the objection and the counter to the objection?
Paulogia, what I am saying is you're calling him a liar based on estimates of the math to get to the 1.2 billion date, all we have for now is 1.5 inches for the moon's recession from the Earth, based on that number he is correct or very near correct on the math. The estimates of changing that number brings in many multiple factors and 1 of the major ones is past continental movement, and all these factors are best estimates (these numbers can be fudged to make your case on either side of the disagreement). But as I posted you still run into the problem of the water on the surface of the earth, as the moon gets closer the water will run over the containment and wash over the surface of the earth long before the 1.2 billion year date. making the land uninhabitable.
The irony is Hovind made reference to the inverse square law which says the attraction is much stronger when you are closer. He debunked his own claim. In other words, over time the rate of separation increases.
Nice work on this one, Paul. You're exactly right; it was the smug dishonesty of the Creationists who came to speak at my church when I was 17 and knew just enough science to tell they weren't telling the whole truth that led me to question my faith and eventually become not only an atheist but an evolutionary biologist. My wife is a Methodist, and also a biologist. Her denomination teaches evolution is a fact and not at odds with the Bible (I disagree with that part), so she finds Creationist dishonesty even more infuriating than I do.
The Bible is entirely allegory. When viewed that way it can be very helpful to understanding our condition. Even more so if you look at the source material from which it was taken. Taking the stories literally as history is an agenda driven fiasco that has cast humanity into a very dark age for the last 1500 years or so.
@@snooganslestat2030 His father told a story about when Eric was 8, and needed the dentist. The child was afraid, and refused to get in the chair. The father brought him outside and asked him to stop being such a shame to his father, and behave. The child said he would, but back in with the dentist, he started crying as he was still scared . The father took him back outside, and this time he gave him a whooping, to show him who he should REALLY be afraid of. Eric did not make any more problems at the dentists, and Ken was proud of his ability to beat his som into obedience.
Same! That was when I really started to question my beliefs, and get me interested in the theological debate sphere. I think Christopher Hitchens sealed the deal for me though
I recommend deciding your beliefs based on actual EVIDENCE in the future, not based on how two particular people happen to present themselves in a debate you happen to watch, which is ad hominem based reasoning.
Belief in Creationism requires faith in the following unobserved process: 1. Presuppostion that a Non-Naturalistic process for life coming from non-life exists & already occurred. Belief in Evolution Theory requires faith in the following unobserved processes: 1. Information being added to the genome 2. Increasing genetic complexity 3. The primary definition of Macro-evolution (not the secondary definition "speciation" which both sides agree is real) 4. Evolution Theory also relies on the presupposition that a Naturalistic process by which life comes from non-life exists and already occurred, despite no observations of this either. All existing scientific evidence could be interpreted to support either side: 1. A common designer, or 2. A common ancestor So what scientific or logical reason does anyone have to choose Evolutionism over Creationism? It requires faith in more processes which haven't been scientifically verified / observed. Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity". It is generally understood in the sense that with competing theories or explanations, the simpler one, for example a model with fewer parameters, is to be preferred. So why are many choosing the explanation which requires faith in more unobserved processes when it isn't necessary? That's not the scientific or logical approach. The answer is: Scientism They're believing that whatever claims are within the current consensus of academia are automatically scientific claims. It doesn't work that way. The Methodological Naturalism requirement allows them to include their best Naturalistic explanation for questions they can't answer with observation. “Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer (or Creationism), such a hypothesis is excluded from peer-review because it is not naturalistic. Of course the scientist, as an individual, is free to embrace a reality that transcends naturalism." - Dr. Scott Todd, immunologist from Kansas State University as printed in Nature Magazine So, in effect, Scientism is causing them to blindly believe mainstream academia's consensus like a religious text without properly understanding the only reason Creationism is excluded is due to pre-existing philosophical bias, NOT because it's less scientific. Pre-existing bias is a systematic error in the scientific method. They can't even prove Naturalism is a true philosophy.
Big ups to referencing Potholer54. I still watch his old videos on my SmartTV for the same reasons you do, so much so it's hard to listen to "The Hovind's" as their lies make my head hurt. I had to stop the KC vs Hovind vid several times and just walk away to make sure I wasn't bleeding from my ears*. Reminds me of the LL Cool J song "That's a lie" because he "lied about the lies that he lied about". KUTGW Paul. You do good work and Potholer would be proud. *Hyperbole for those who don't recognize it.
*"...that was just a little bit of hyperbole"* Now creates a nested set of hyperbole with *_just a little bit_* being a hyperbolic phrase about his hyperbolic moon claims being used now in a hyperbolic attempt to deny his deliberate lies. Congratulations, Paulogia, on how far you have grown since 2012... it is almost ironic how much more *virtuously moral* is your present stance and work, to seek truth for its own sake.
@@jacksonambrose6269 oh yes, and you, the enlightened catholic or whatever denomination you are have all the actual answers! Using the same disproven book and evidence, with the only difference really being how old you think the earth is. It really comes down to one problem. If any aspect of the bible can be taking metaphorically, and its entirely composed of stories that could be taken as metaphors, how would you differentiate between what's true and what's just artistic expression without some sort of subjective viewing? The second you claim that man has to interpret the word of God is the second all of your interpretations lose their value, since by the average Christian's typical admittance, humans are not perfect
You can't even argue with these people by appealing to any other of their (many) absolutist, non-negotiable claims ... "You can't criticize me for lying, because you're a heathen and have no reason to believe lying is wrong!"
Maybe on an individual basis but religion will never die as long as there are people who desire meaning being given to them rather than discovering it for themselves. I see religion as the Earth's drug problem, no matter how much you educate there will always be a lot of people eager to lose themselves in pleasing lies.
that's a lie you are the dishonest idiot pretending your grandpa is a fish you chose to be stupid because you are a jerk who hates the Bible you are going to burn forever in the lake of fire by your own choices
This always makes me laugh. Not only do they demonstrate dishonesty, they show that they can't even do basic math correctly. Even if the rate was constant, the moon wouldn't be anywhere near where they claim 1.3 billion years ago.
If any husband EVER answers the question from his wife, "Does this dress make me look fat?" truthfully, "Honey, it's not the dress." He will feel the impact of a high velocity impact of a shoe against the back of his head. While saying "No." is technically the truth, it is still a deception. The real answer your wife is most looking for is NOT if the DRESS makes he look fat, but is, in fact, "Do I look fat?" I would love to have a married man try an experiment for me. Don't say "It's not the dress." I don't want to destroy anyones marriage, just look at her as if you are carefully considering the question. I would STRONGLY advise you eventually say, "no." But I would love to see how she reacts to this.
Paulogia, I’ve been a silent listener for some time and you do great work. To me, you bring two great qualities (at minimum to the table); transparency combined with well researched and documented positions, and an ability to simply express obvious logical flaws. For example, I initially expected you to demolish Hovind’s “you don’t know God and thus can’t distinguish a lie” idiocy. But you surprised (and impressed) me with the simpler response, “so that makes it okay for you (Hovind) to lie?” Too often we find ourselves defending ourselves rather than responding with the obvious that a lie is a lie is a lie, Mr. Hovind.
Awwww. Paul is getting upset. (You can tell because his gentle tone is slightly more elevated.) Here! Have a hug! Also, I don't think this is "Old News." A lot of people came to these skeptic videos long after they stopped giving out the Golden Crocoduck. So this is a nice way of saying "Hey, go check out the old stuff."
Even at a constant rate which, at present, is roughly 3.5 centimeters per year, the moon would only be 135,000 kilometers closer 4.5 billion years ago. Not even halfway closer. More importantly, I need to rewatch Potholer54's "Origins Made Easy" series. Between him, CDK007, and Aron Ra's early stuff, I began to realize I had something to contribute.
This wasn't intended to be a debunk, but more my frustration with lying. That said, everyone should also check out Tony's debunk at th-cam.com/video/g0Tw-8V72pE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks. You didn't have to do that. You accomplished exactly what you set out to do. Meanwhile, I've discovered that many of Potholer54 and CDK007's videos have been stripped of their sound due to copyright issues. Kind of a shame.
I think you're math is probably correct. BTW, +Steven, you may also want to check out Aintquite Wright's channel too. He tends to catch stories that the rest of us miss and, in his very neighborly way, show them for how absurd they are.
Tony Reed the moon is currently 3.844E10 meters from Earth. assuming a constant rate (which is likely erroneous, but that's a premise of the creationist argument), then the moon would be 2.134E10 meters away from Earth at 4.5 billion years ago. [current distance in centimeters minus age in years times centimeters change per year = 384,400,000,000-(4,500,000,000 x 3.8) = 213,400,000,000 centimeters or 213,400 kilometers.
Love what you're doing. I am a fellow former believer. It took my mom ordering tons of worthless shit from jim bakker (yes, the jim bakker that went to prison for fraud) to convince me to make the jump from agnostic to atheist.
What I love about creationist arguments is they accuse us of making uniformitarian arguments like in radiometric dating, but then they turn around and make uniformitarian arguments to support their claims. Such as continental erosion,.lunar reccesion.
A creationist talking dishonestly then claiming their argument stands is little different from all those flat earth videos titled "100% proof, the Earth is flat", and then go on to talk absolute rubbish.
Dude...you fricking rock. Great job on leaving the GIANT LIE and see the world for what it is. I, too, was once there (die-hard christian) and decided to leave and get a math degree where I really began to understand how critical thinking really operates. It can be so hard to try to reveal to others the Kool-aid they're drinking. I love your videos. Keep 'em coming
Potholer54 is amazing. He is one of the 1st TH-camrs I started watching regularly. His videos debunking climate change deniers are incredible and very very informative. I would 100% recommend you check out his channel.
Hey Paul. I've watched a lot of your content, and enjoy it. This is one of my favourites so far, despite it being posted years ago now. Hope you and yours are well. Thanks for your work.
Good job. Sending love your way. I have been a subscriber for awhile now, and I appreciate your work. And of course I have been following Potholer54 since I began watching athiest/skeptic videos on TH-cam. Keep up the good work!
Your Hovind videos are a breath of fresh air... I too left faith after years of passionate devotion and appreciate the effort it takes to do this kind of critical analysis and creative re-synthesis. A great cause! Cheers and plz keep it up!
I just CAN'T deal with Creationists. Just saying you don't believe Science....BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT doesn't make you right. Basing your argument on the outcome before ever ACTUALLY searching for the answer does not make you correct. Seeing things through God only googles is absolutely ridiculous.
Potholer54 and potholer54debunks are absolutely must subscribe channels. It should be mandatory that anyone who watches anything in TH-cam must watch all of his videos within a month or you're cut off from TH-cam. Great work paulogia! Keep up the good work. I'm actually surprised that you don't have 10k, 50k, 100k subs by now. I try to watch aig news now to prepare for ham and eggs. It's tough.
This is my favourite video of yours. You can tell you’re upset and angry making it. He makes some ridiculous points in his defence, and shows he knows he’s lying.
People condemned lying for thousands of years before the invention of Yahweh. The Yahweh condemns lying is the least important reason to avoid lying. He is imaginary. Lying screws up society. So logically every religion condemns it. That it is in the ten commandments is just icing on the cake.
It's interesting how religious people can happily take religious beliefs to be facts, but they see evolution as a mere belief that, for some obscure reason, cannot be supported by facts.
I've been a non-believer for years and just recently binge watched all of potholler54. Gotta say thanks and even more appreciation for Paulogia. I'm enjoying your videos. Don't ever stop!
While it's true that the Moon is accelerating from the Earth, it should still be pointed out that even at it's current rate of escape, it wouldn't be anywhere close to the Earth a billion years ago. In fact it would still be about 200,000 km away 4 billion years ago.
You're right. This shows how dishonest these creationists are. They are targeting on the fools who don't even bother to do simple math to verify whether what they claim is true.
Thanks Paul! Excellent job as usual. I love the effort and research you put into your series. I am a no-traditional student studying anthropology and evolutionary biology and I love to see your well-thought-out videos. This one was just excellent in showing how very dishonest creationist are and how it impedes the learning process. Can't wait for the next one!
Give me strength, right if you announce that you follow a religion so loudly and proudly as they do then it is entirely reasonable for others to infer you are bound by the rules of that religion regardless of weather or not the others follow that religion. If you religion says lying is a sin & you lie & then lie about lying then its you that's a sinner and a hypocrite not the one who points it out. Only a believer can blaspheme against their own faith after all.
Paul, even though I only recent found your channel, and as a former Protestant myself who educated her way outta religion and deity beliefs, I DO send you lots and LOTS of love! Atheist love is, perhaps; THE most un- conditional out there after childhood is over. I am SO glad you did this video and a'course he'd never admit to any wrongdoing bc if his Lard can do bad shit in the name of so ridiculous brand of righteousness the Eric can too. RIGHT?! Ultimately, this video will undoubtedly help someone else struggling with the final decision to exit the flock for the road of "critical thinking" or at least just thinking for their selves. 😃👏 Wish I'd found you sooner but better late than never. I will be tweeting this one. Oh and I've began watching from the beginning and moving forward. I hope you and your family are well and safe up there. A Florida Fan ... Rock on. Aszneth 😃👍🖐️
@@Paulogia - Thank you, thank you very much! 😃 I can't get enough of Ham and AIGs! Oh and btw, I have a proud badge of honor: a block! In Twitter, I got under Ken's skin about something a fee yrs ago and he blocked me! 🤭 Anyhoo, I just finished your first video with Ozymandius Ramses II (gosh, I hope I spelled that correctly, I only looked once before replying here). As per usual, insightful diving into the topic is so encouraging. Thanks for inviting him and all the others so far, especially AronRa. He is a long time favorite and I was devastated after finding out he has come to my town and I missed it bcoz at that point, I'd no clue who he was! 😭😭😭 Hmm, Ken should love all my emojis here, ay? I'll be binging more this weekend. Thank you Paul.
"...and, in doing so, lead them away like the Pied Piper..." Nobody apparently told him that the Pied Piper led the rats to drown and the children to starve, did they?
Potholer is the best. He's got to be in my top 5 all time favorite TH-camrs. BTW us ex Christians make the best atheists. Also, regarding morality, Matt Dillahunty makes a pretty convincing case for a sort of secular objective morality. That's where I tend to go but you do you. Just real quick, basically he says that the basis for his morality might be subjective but not arbitrary since it's human flourishing and well being but any actions in accordance with or antithetical to this end would be objectively so. He sometimes uses health as a metaphor. Are eggs healthy or unhealthy? Well it all depends if you have high blood pressure or a protein deficiency so things might not always be perfectly clear but we know for a fact that drinking gasoline is unhealthy and we don't have to be a doctor to realize that.
As a Catholic, Young Earth Creationism always seemed crazy to me and I never understood why some American fundie protestants were so adamant about it. It's bizarre, because their views aren't even representative of the beliefs of most Christians (protestants included). It's also very "American" (or North American) for some reason; European protestants, even conservative ones, aren't really YECers. From the outside looking in, it's just very bizarre. The best explanation I've found is that a strictly literalistic reading of Genesis was a way fundamentalist protestants in America came up with to justify sola scriptura and the "capacity of anyone to just read the Scriptures and understand all it teaches", contrary to (say) Catholics and Orthodox which were growing in the US at the time.
"God" IS a lie, a never-proven claim created by human liars to frighten other humans into meek submission. If "God" is a lie, "he" does not exist. As a nonexistent "being,""God" cannot lie. Even if "he" did exist but cannot do something like lying, then "he" is not all-powerful.
The problem with gods aren't their non-existence, it's the obvious failings of their claimed representatives here on Earth. If any good gods actually existed they'd be dismayed at their own PR, and rightly so. This sad fact, and recent shocking and cynical political alliances appear to be giving the game away and driving the growth of the "nones", so... more power to the hucksters!
I agree with your sentiment in totality, Paul. While I don't take people's beliefs as offensive, I do draw the line at disingenuous and contemptuous statements and actions. I left the Christian church at age 14, after searching for answers for a year within the church. The statement that broke my faith? That my grandmother had died because of her sin, and the suffering she experienced before her death was justified because of said sin. My own pastor said as much to me, a man I had blindly respected for years beforehand. Statements like this are harmful, as are the intellectually false statements made by the church, are unacceptable. This is one of the reasons why I have started to read the bible again. I am highlighting any versus that I come across that are dishonest or morally wrong. I've made it to Leviticus thus far. And I hope to share these verses with people in this small Kentucky town I live in. If you have any you feel would be good verses to highlight, let me know? Keep up the good work. I binge watch your content every night at work. :)
That iceberg picture bothers me a lot and is a huge lie. Penguins and polar bears do not live together at all. Polar bears are in the north only and penguins are in the south only
Abraham lied and said Sarah was his sister. most christians are unplugged when it comes to living for God. besides prayer there is living it,living the life that has to be done..be shrewd as snakes and gentle as lambs. but let God be proven by correct science by correct living .God WILL show up just give it time he doesn't need anyones help to prove he's what he says he is. dont lie if it effects lives only sometimes to save your behind right!? Peter denied knowing Jesus , isnt that lying?
Inverse square law ??? These guys are so stupid they think we believe their lies. Working out if they are lying or not is quite easy. Are they talking? They are making money out of this somehow. If they weren't, they wouldn't be doing it !!! Deep down, I am a nice guy, and I would like to help these blokes meet their god.
God hating atheists? Oh you mean like the invisible pink unicorns running around? I dont get how they think someone can HATE something they dont believe even exists. But thats counting on them using logic..so its a bit of a stretch.
So gets called out for lying. Then denies it by lying.
So business as usual for Eric Hovind then. :-)
Chris Pitchforth
You will notice that they never speak of the stories written in the Bible or any of it's subjects?
You notice they'll choose a subject like telling lies then embellish how great god is.
The people are bad but God is good.
Every church I went into they wanted to tell me of my problems and financial woes When I really had none.
You know what smells REALLY bad? Burnt denim, mixed with burnt skin.
Old and tried tactic that still works. I know of an orange moron who consistently gets called out on his lies and then lies and calls those would called him out "fake news". The tactic works.
Mike, for the mentally challenged. Plus, please remember a lot of people live in an alternate reality than us. Like my cousin, when I was 6 & he was 4, his parents followed him around like he was Tutankhamen. I looked at my dad & said, "What'll happen to him when he gets drafted?" My dad looked to the sky, shook his head & said, "Reality will come crashing down." It did. He's permanently insane.
He insists that his dad who was dirt poor, had a motor yacht down in Mission Bay & at midnight after working 10 hours a day would go out find a naked child & take him out & rape &beat & torture him & dump the body overboard. by the way, it was a 2 hour trip both ways to the ocean. It was an hour drive from his work to his house as well.
With out the hard work of people like Eric Hovand, Ken Ham & Ray Comfort the large increase of non believers in the last decade wouldn't of been possible.
amen
josh beaty true. Also if it wasn't for someone (in my case, my brother) who pointed out the sever lack in reason and logic these people used I may still be so lost and ignorant because learning that destroyed my positive view of creationists spokesmen.
@Niko Bellic So what? It must means that large number of people believe things there is no good evidence for.
Don't forget Billy Craig. All of these disingenuous asses put my journey away from religion in high gear.
@Niko Bellic And that is sad.
I find it so insane when someone says "here is a belief I hold and a code I live by"
Then you point out that they have violated their own code
Then they go "well, you don't live by this code anyway, so you have no right to point out that I've broken it!"
Yes, we do. If you claim to live a life where you are an honest person, and someone demonstrates that you are not an honest person, you're the one with the problem, not the guy pointing it out.
True Eric and his minion lie but it's only because they are so devout. They devoutly worship money.
god made them do it.
Hang on! 1.3 billion years ago? I thought the Earth was only 6000 years old!
@Eric Smith Oh the irony.
Eric Smith So let me get this straight.
-The Bible doesn't state an exact date for the beginning so that's somehow proof that the Earth is not 6000 years old even though it, again does not establish a specific time period. Not dendrochronology or radiometric dating.
-It's obvious that God made the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th. As if I could go outside, look at the world, and then conclude, "Yep. The Earth was obviously made in 6 days by a God who rested afterwards." That's why people need a book to tell them that.
@Eric Smith It's funny how there are atheist who know the Bible better than Christian's. But fine. If you don't want to actually challenge my points and remain ignorant, that's your problem.
@Eric Smith You're just spewing the same garbage. Already refuted the relevant points.
is that anger i hear? the dark side of paul?
i feel you brother. dig it.
As a retired science teacher I love it when I learn new things about science that I didn't know. I had no idea that we could calculate a difference in the rate that the moon is moving away based on the configuration of the continents, but I'm fascinated by that. I do wonder, however, why there is no discussion of the origin of the moon itself.
Just stumbled across youir channel and I love what you are doing. As an ex-fundamentalist Christian (now an Athiest), I can very much relate to your video. Keep up the great work - as your channel becomes more well known, you will help thousands (Thus saith the Lord)
thanks, CoC1970. welcome.
This came out within a few days/weeks of our meeting each other.
I am genuinely proud to be your friend. Almost no one I have met because of our association has been anything short of the shade of beige that I am.
Pretty sure I'd never watched this one before. I've got a friend whose high school science education was the Hovind tapes. I kinda wish you guys could meet, now that I think of it.
Anyway, thank you for contacting me that night. My life might have been VERY different without it and I thank you for it.
- A. Branesample
Thanks Paul, love the videos. My little addition to Eric's co host's question about why atheists even bother about learning about the bible and the commandments, you wouldn't sit down to play cards with someone for a game you know nothing about.
Hi Paul, I'm just going through your videos from the oldest and am really enjoying your style. I wanted to point out that I'm very glad you promote other youtubers who you respect because I can never get enough good information. I was referred to your channel by GM Skeptic so I thank him too! Keep it up if you don't burn out. Or take a break and return. We don't want to lose you from the many voices that competently provide critique with entertainment. Again, I can never get enough. Thanks.
Another great video Paul. Well done.
I watched all Potholer54’s content before I found your channel and I love that it is getting a fresh airing here. I really love the way you present it in your charming style and in the context of your series on Eric Hovind. Potholer54 certainly loathes Kent even more than Eric I think. It’s kinda like you are now engaged in a second generation battle between decent honest rational people who accept science vs the the lying, self enriching creationists who ignore and disparage it. Although I think the good guys have greater numbers now and thanks to people like you, more exponents able to reach more and different people. Thanks for your work. It’s really important.
For “first generation” debunking of creationist nonsense, Potholer54 is still great IMHO. He now focuses on Climate Change denial, which I fear is even more scary and important... He has a very devoted following for that material and I really recommend it for anyone concerned about the phoney debate that is polluting progress on that issue.
Anyway, kudos for pointing everyone at his channel. He deserves 10x as many subscribers as he has right now :)
As do you of course. Scouts honour, I will give you both a shout out in comments from now on!
Wish I could give this video multiple thumbs up. Excellent. Thank you sir.
Fantastic job, Paul; it amazes me how similar our stories are, and it brings me joy to see you giving those lying scoundrels what they deserve. I'm currently working on a video to end that nonsense about absolute morals, once and for all, and people like the Hovinds, Ray Comfort, and Turek are my main targets and influences. Keep on fighting the good fight 👍
Love this. Thanks. It is this sort of presentation (Eric's) that makes me marvel at how fair and civil you managed to be when having the long discussion with him. He may have grown in sophistication as an entertainer since then. But he is still telling the same lies. Love your work. Thanks.
Your clear and logical method of breaking down these charlatans is enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work
It was one degree colder in temperature yesterday than today, and a degree colder again the day before that. So if you extrapolate back one year, it means the earth was 365 degrees colder.
Creationist logic. 🎓 F🚫 💯 ☑ 🤦♂️
This just in!!!! He's back. Find Potholer's new vid. Thanks for making my day.
isn't it great!?!
Paulogia were you indoctrinated in Canada? Im in ON.
Yeah, I grew up in SK.
My daughter is an atheist because of this very issue. Creationists lie to try to prove their point and anyone who understands evolution knows that they are lying. My 15 year old figured out years ago that if they have to lie to prove their point, it's because they know what they are really selling is crap. Ken Ham made my daughter an atheist. So good job, Ken.
Lying for Jesus
What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church… a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them.
~ Martin Luther (1483-11-10 1546-02-18 age:62)
Great video. And congrats on bravely facing up to your past. We are our own worst critics and the hardest people to please.
Keep it up.
Paul, with every video i watch of yours i am again impressed with your courage and your caring... Thanks.... you deserve some love for all your good work here.
Thank you, Marc. Means much.
Questions whether radiometric dating decay rates were the same in the past.
Assumes the rate of the Moon receding has always been the same.
I was subbed to Potholer years before I knew who you were 😜
Thanks for pointing out the lies. I'm enthusiastic to see more and I subscribed. My feedback is that when you video quoted the christians, the fact that the lipsync was out was quite off putting.
As much as I know about KH, and his shenanigans, you would think I would not want to listen to him. But how he talks and says things in front of his audience is almost hypnotic. Good job, Paul.
Upon reflection I find that anger lurks just underneath the surface with only my eyes peeking above the water. The cessation of trying to normalize and sanitize the bullshit wears thin rather quickly.
Weaseling: when one says something, often deliberately, in a way that is ambiguous enough that it sounds serious, but can always be reclaimed as a joke/an exaggeration/ (hyperbole) or have some alternative, more benign meaning.
Good job, keep up the videos, people need to learn to recognize misinformation and how to do research themselves.
These PureFlix commercials on all your videos right now are hilarious.
Nice throwing in the Corner Gas clip...somewhere around 10:30...A great Canadian show that not near enough Americans know about.
I love how you don't let him wriggle out of it with deflections. This is what actual accountability and actual debate should be. Don't let creation "scientist" get away with lies. Don't let them brush it aside when their arguments don't hold water and definitely not when they say things they know are false and refuse to correct!
nothing but love for you here Paul, great job.
Utter nonsense!! You are so patient with all of this. I can't believe how far we have to go!! Great analysis.
This was as angry as I've seen Paul...and yet he was still dead calm. What I love about this channel that I don't love about almost any other channel dealing with (a)thiesm is how Paul steers clear of emotion and hyperbole. Precisely because if I were in his shoes, I know I wouldn't have that level of self-control.
The ninth commandment is a legalistic phrase “don’t bear false witness against your neighbor (I.e. fellow Jew)”. Don’t falsely accuse someone of doing something bad. Other lies are rewarded in the Bible
"It's wrong to lie because God commands not to lie", not because scamming people hurts them.
I can honestly say I have never boiled a baby goat it its own mother’s milk.
Paul I wish they had rebuttal videos on here to go back and forth. These people are nuts.
If I could take back my tithes, I could retire in luxury.
I think the simplest analogy would be compound interest, although the math on that is more complicated than I'd like, so I'm just going to use words.
If a flat interest rate counts the initial amount of money in an account and applies a flat rate to it, then the amount gained every time the interest is applied stays the same. You put in 100$, you have a 5% interest rate monthly, that means at the end of the year you have 160$ because 5% of 100$ for twelve months would be 5$*12 which is 60$. I used math. I'm not going to calculate the next bit though.
Compound interest isn't a flat rate. You put in 100$, and then it applies the rate to it for the first month. Next month, it applies the rate to the new amount, 105$, giving you slightly more than the first five dollars. Over time, the amount of interest being applies will get higher and higher. If you remove money, you get a smaller amount of interest. The smaller the total, the smaller the interest. Compound interest from 95$ wouldn't amount to 100$, because while the flat rate was 5% applied to 100$ meaning 5$ a pop, the compound version would apply 5% to 95$, which isn't 5$. It's 4.75$. Five percent of 10$ would be fifty cents, which is quite different from five dollars.
The Moon will escape faster and faster over time as the forces involved push and pull in different amounts. This means that as you go back in time, it's escaping slower and slower. Eric, being homeschooled by a functionally illiterate violently abusive psychopath conman, can only understand a simple linear growth. If it's 1 degree hotter today than it was yesterday, then the world will end before three months pass as temperatures rise one degree per day forever, and humanity could not even exist as a mere two months ago it was so far below freezing that every human froze solid where they stood, and a year ago from today it would've been -365 degrees Celsius, which is impossible because absolute zero is -273C.
The real world doesn't work the way simple-minded abused parrot-like simpletons like Eric think it does. Assuming Eric is capable of thinking, which is _not_ a given.
*as a note, I'm probably using flat interest and compound interest incorrectly and inaccurately, but I figured it'd do for simple examples using familiar terminology. That's why I said "if". I can't imagine any bank giving you the same interest deposit on the initial amount of money in your account after you take all of it back out again. I am _not_ a banker, it probably shows. Still not as stupid as Eric Hovind.
As a double apostate, first from Christianity, then from neo-Paganism, I get where you're coming from, I just wish I had your video making ability!
potholer54 - that's what i call quality :D love that chap!
I love Pothooler , he has given me the tools to argue against idiotic antivax people.
Science told us that the US would experience a midday eclipse , the summer of "2018. They told us where it could best be viewed adding a map showing the time it would pass over certain cities. Has religion ever given us such accurate. Information, NO
Potholer54 is awesome!
Farther not further, unless things are different in Canada
Glad to see you put this video up, you do understand the math involved is actual estimates of past continental movement, not a factual known number? So for a scientist to make these calculation it requires an estimate of past events which no one has data on. In making estimates one can always move the numbers to favor their position. Even using 1/2 values you will get to a point the tides washes over continents far before the 1.2 billion years needed. At 1.5 inches a year at this time, your looking at a point in history of water not being retain in it's basins and over flowing it's containment, this is long before your get to 1.2 billion years ago.
You'll notice I wasn't making the science claim here, but talking about Eric's lying about lying. But let's set that aside.
"Using half values"... half values of what? Of Eric's linear idea. We know it's not linear, so it doesn't matter what percent of it you take, it's not relevant.
But perhaps you meant something else, and I definitely want to know what the real science is, so can you point me to more information on this basin retaining problem? Does secular science address this at all, and if so what is the objection and the counter to the objection?
Paulogia, what I am saying is you're calling him a liar based on estimates of the math to get to the 1.2 billion date, all we have for now is 1.5 inches for the moon's recession from the Earth, based on that number he is correct or very near correct on the math. The estimates of changing that number brings in many multiple factors and 1 of the major ones is past continental movement, and all these factors are best estimates (these numbers can be fudged to make your case on either side of the disagreement). But as I posted you still run into the problem of the water on the surface of the earth, as the moon gets closer the water will run over the containment and wash over the surface of the earth long before the 1.2 billion year date. making the land uninhabitable.
You want that go to Wildwoodclaire1's website, she's a geologist. She has a whole slew of videos about ancient earth.
There were 666 comments before I commented. Im glad Paulogia has so many videos, really enjoying catching up!
The irony is Hovind made reference to the inverse square law which says the attraction is much stronger when you are closer. He debunked his own claim. In other words, over time the rate of separation increases.
"You lie so much, you believe yourself. Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand".
Nice work on this one, Paul. You're exactly right; it was the smug dishonesty of the Creationists who came to speak at my church when I was 17 and knew just enough science to tell they weren't telling the whole truth that led me to question my faith and eventually become not only an atheist but an evolutionary biologist. My wife is a Methodist, and also a biologist. Her denomination teaches evolution is a fact and not at odds with the Bible (I disagree with that part), so she finds Creationist dishonesty even more infuriating than I do.
The Bible is entirely allegory. When viewed that way it can be very helpful to understanding our condition. Even more so if you look at the source material from which it was taken. Taking the stories literally as history is an agenda driven fiasco that has cast humanity into a very dark age for the last 1500 years or so.
lets not forget he also stole all of his daddys money, property and speeches
Don't worry about it, knowing Kunt's behavior, he probably stole it from someone else.
Can't say I blame the guy. He probably grew up watching his father beating his mother up and lowkey hates him.
@@cl5470 I very much doubt that.
@@snooganslestat2030 His father told a story about when Eric was 8, and needed the dentist. The child was afraid, and refused to get in the chair. The father brought him outside and asked him to stop being such a shame to his father, and behave. The child said he would, but back in with the dentist, he started crying as he was still scared .
The father took him back outside, and this time he gave him a whooping, to show him who he should REALLY be afraid of. Eric did not make any more problems at the dentists, and Ken was proud of his ability to beat his som into obedience.
I started on my journey out after watching how reasonable Bill Nye was being and how dishonest Ken Ham was being during their debate.
Same! That was when I really started to question my beliefs, and get me interested in the theological debate sphere. I think Christopher Hitchens sealed the deal for me though
They're both a part of the same secret society. You fell for precisely what their goal was, sorry to say.
I recommend deciding your beliefs based on actual EVIDENCE in the future, not based on how two particular people happen to present themselves in a debate you happen to watch, which is ad hominem based reasoning.
Belief in Creationism requires faith in the following unobserved process:
1. Presuppostion that a Non-Naturalistic process for life coming from non-life exists & already occurred.
Belief in Evolution Theory requires faith in the following unobserved processes:
1. Information being added to the genome
2. Increasing genetic complexity
3. The primary definition of Macro-evolution (not the secondary definition "speciation" which both sides agree is real)
4. Evolution Theory also relies on the presupposition that a Naturalistic process by which life comes from non-life exists and already occurred, despite no observations of this either.
All existing scientific evidence could be interpreted to support either side:
1. A common designer, or
2. A common ancestor
So what scientific or logical reason does anyone have to choose Evolutionism over Creationism? It requires faith in more processes which haven't been scientifically verified / observed.
Occam's razor is the problem-solving principle that "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity". It is generally understood in the sense that with competing theories or explanations, the simpler one, for example a model with fewer parameters, is to be preferred.
So why are many choosing the explanation which requires faith in more unobserved processes when it isn't necessary? That's not the scientific or logical approach.
The answer is: Scientism
They're believing that whatever claims are within the current consensus of academia are automatically scientific claims. It doesn't work that way. The Methodological Naturalism requirement allows them to include their best Naturalistic explanation for questions they can't answer with observation.
“Even if all the data point to an intelligent designer (or Creationism), such a hypothesis is excluded from peer-review because it is not naturalistic. Of course the scientist, as an individual, is free to embrace a reality that transcends naturalism."
- Dr. Scott Todd, immunologist from Kansas State University as printed in Nature Magazine
So, in effect, Scientism is causing them to blindly believe mainstream academia's consensus like a religious text without properly understanding the only reason Creationism is excluded is due to pre-existing philosophical bias, NOT because it's less scientific.
Pre-existing bias is a systematic error in the scientific method. They can't even prove Naturalism is a true philosophy.
@@lightbeforethetunnel nope , evidence - we have the fossil evidence - where is the precambrian bunny? what evidence is there for creationism?
Big ups to referencing Potholer54. I still watch his old videos on my SmartTV for the same reasons you do, so much so it's hard to listen to "The Hovind's" as their lies make my head hurt. I had to stop the KC vs Hovind vid several times and just walk away to make sure I wasn't bleeding from my ears*. Reminds me of the LL Cool J song "That's a lie" because he "lied about the lies that he lied about". KUTGW Paul. You do good work and Potholer would be proud.
*Hyperbole for those who don't recognize it.
LOL @ "Hyperbole for those who don't recognize it."
"There's no f'ckin' carbon in it!"
You do realize I have to go watch that one right now...lol
Yup. I see a new Potholer54 video and I click on it.
*"...that was just a little bit of hyperbole"* Now creates a nested set of hyperbole with *_just a little bit_* being a hyperbolic phrase about his hyperbolic moon claims being used now in a hyperbolic attempt to deny his deliberate lies.
Congratulations, Paulogia, on how far you have grown since 2012... it is almost ironic how much more *virtuously moral* is your present stance and work, to seek truth for its own sake.
Trevor Lunn Well stated. You said it much better than I, but I also want to congratulate Paulogia on his immense personal growth.
Brilliant analysis as always, Paulogia. Chalk me up as another who walked away after I discovered my favorite apologists were liars.
Sad your favorite apologists were ignorant Baptists.
@@jacksonambrose6269 oh yes, and you, the enlightened catholic or whatever denomination you are have all the actual answers! Using the same disproven book and evidence, with the only difference really being how old you think the earth is. It really comes down to one problem. If any aspect of the bible can be taking metaphorically, and its entirely composed of stories that could be taken as metaphors, how would you differentiate between what's true and what's just artistic expression without some sort of subjective viewing? The second you claim that man has to interpret the word of God is the second all of your interpretations lose their value, since by the average Christian's typical admittance, humans are not perfect
You can't even argue with these people by appealing to any other of their (many) absolutist, non-negotiable claims ... "You can't criticize me for lying, because you're a heathen and have no reason to believe lying is wrong!"
09nickels you can’t even argue with them if your a theistic evolution supporter or old earthier. Their truth is the only truth facts don’t matter.
In future dictionaries may actually state that creationism is just another word for dishonesty , lol great vid as always .
Creationist dishonesty was a key element in my progression toward atheism, so Eric deserves my heartiest, _"Thank you!"_ :)
amen
Maybe on an individual basis but religion will never die as long as there are people who desire meaning being given to them rather than discovering it for themselves. I see religion as the Earth's drug problem, no matter how much you educate there will always be a lot of people eager to lose themselves in pleasing lies.
that's a lie you are the dishonest idiot pretending your grandpa is a fish
you chose to be stupid because you are a jerk who hates the Bible
you are going to burn forever in the lake of fire by your own choices
Sad you believe that YEC evangelicals are theologically correct. Also odd that you thank someone for pointing you towards nihilism.
KC : if only! But not everybody is honest or open to truth.
This always makes me laugh. Not only do they demonstrate dishonesty, they show that they can't even do basic math correctly. Even if the rate was constant, the moon wouldn't be anywhere near where they claim 1.3 billion years ago.
If any husband EVER answers the question from his wife, "Does this dress make me look fat?" truthfully, "Honey, it's not the dress." He will feel the impact of a high velocity impact of a shoe against the back of his head.
While saying "No." is technically the truth, it is still a deception. The real answer your wife is most looking for is NOT if the DRESS makes he look fat, but is, in fact, "Do I look fat?"
I would love to have a married man try an experiment for me. Don't say "It's not the dress." I don't want to destroy anyones marriage, just look at her as if you are carefully considering the question. I would STRONGLY advise you eventually say, "no." But I would love to see how she reacts to this.
Paulogia,
I’ve been a silent listener for some time and you do great work. To me, you bring two great qualities (at minimum to the table); transparency combined with well researched and documented positions, and an ability to simply express obvious logical flaws.
For example, I initially expected you to demolish Hovind’s “you don’t know God and thus can’t distinguish a lie” idiocy. But you surprised (and impressed) me with the simpler response, “so that makes it okay for you (Hovind) to lie?”
Too often we find ourselves defending ourselves rather than responding with the obvious that a lie is a lie is a lie, Mr. Hovind.
Awwww. Paul is getting upset. (You can tell because his gentle tone is slightly more elevated.)
Here! Have a hug!
Also, I don't think this is "Old News." A lot of people came to these skeptic videos long after they stopped giving out the Golden Crocoduck. So this is a nice way of saying "Hey, go check out the old stuff."
I'm such a loud angry atheist.
Your insane fish stories aren't science hahah lunatic idiot pretending your dad is a fish all you morons are going to hell
Calm down.
Someone needs some Jeebus.
to hoops590...as mark twain said, "heaven for the climate, hell for the company". besides, do you not watch south park? hell doesn't look too bad.
Even at a constant rate which, at present, is roughly 3.5 centimeters per year, the moon would only be 135,000 kilometers closer 4.5 billion years ago. Not even halfway closer.
More importantly, I need to rewatch Potholer54's "Origins Made Easy" series. Between him, CDK007, and Aron Ra's early stuff, I began to realize I had something to contribute.
This wasn't intended to be a debunk, but more my frustration with lying. That said, everyone should also check out Tony's debunk at th-cam.com/video/g0Tw-8V72pE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks. You didn't have to do that. You accomplished exactly what you set out to do.
Meanwhile, I've discovered that many of Potholer54 and CDK007's videos have been stripped of their sound due to copyright issues.
Kind of a shame.
Paulogia I will check out Tony Reed and CDK007, neither of whom I was aware of...
I think you're math is probably correct.
BTW, +Steven, you may also want to check out Aintquite Wright's channel too.
He tends to catch stories that the rest of us miss and, in his very neighborly way, show them for how absurd they are.
Tony Reed the moon is currently 3.844E10 meters from Earth. assuming a constant rate (which is likely erroneous, but that's a premise of the creationist argument), then the moon would be 2.134E10 meters away from Earth at 4.5 billion years ago. [current distance in centimeters minus age in years times centimeters change per year = 384,400,000,000-(4,500,000,000 x 3.8) = 213,400,000,000 centimeters or 213,400 kilometers.
Love what you're doing. I am a fellow former believer. It took my mom ordering tons of worthless shit from jim bakker (yes, the jim bakker that went to prison for fraud) to convince me to make the jump from agnostic to atheist.
What I love about creationist arguments is they accuse us of making uniformitarian arguments like in radiometric dating, but then they turn around and make uniformitarian arguments to support their claims. Such as continental erosion,.lunar reccesion.
A creationist talking dishonestly then claiming their argument stands is little different from all those flat earth videos titled "100% proof, the Earth is flat", and then go on to talk absolute rubbish.
There is no curvature...
Earth is Flat Jesus is coming soon
Malise, tell Jesus to stop doing that, God's against coming. I mean he killed Onan for doing that. Genesis 38:8-10.
Dude...you fricking rock. Great job on leaving the GIANT LIE and see the world for what it is. I, too, was once there (die-hard christian) and decided to leave and get a math degree where I really began to understand how critical thinking really operates. It can be so hard to try to reveal to others the Kool-aid they're drinking. I love your videos. Keep 'em coming
Potholer is a gift to humankind, and so are you, Paul.
Thanks!
Potholer54 is amazing. He is one of the 1st TH-camrs I started watching regularly. His videos debunking climate change deniers are incredible and very very informative. I would 100% recommend you check out his channel.
Hey Paul.
I've watched a lot of your content, and enjoy it. This is one of my favourites so far, despite it being posted years ago now.
Hope you and yours are well. Thanks for your work.
Good job. Sending love your way. I have been a subscriber for awhile now, and I appreciate your work. And of course I have been following Potholer54 since I began watching athiest/skeptic videos on TH-cam.
Keep up the good work!
Your Hovind videos are a breath of fresh air... I too left faith after years of passionate devotion and appreciate the effort it takes to do this kind of critical analysis and creative re-synthesis. A great cause! Cheers and plz keep it up!
I just CAN'T deal with Creationists. Just saying you don't believe Science....BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT doesn't make you right. Basing your argument on the outcome before ever ACTUALLY searching for the answer does not make you correct. Seeing things through God only googles is absolutely ridiculous.
Potholer54 and potholer54debunks are absolutely must subscribe channels. It should be mandatory that anyone who watches anything in TH-cam must watch all of his videos within a month or you're cut off from TH-cam.
Great work paulogia! Keep up the good work. I'm actually surprised that you don't have 10k, 50k, 100k subs by now. I try to watch aig news now to prepare for ham and eggs. It's tough.
This is my favourite video of yours.
You can tell you’re upset and angry making it.
He makes some ridiculous points in his defence, and shows he knows he’s lying.
People condemned lying for thousands of years before the invention of Yahweh. The Yahweh condemns lying is the least important reason to avoid lying. He is imaginary. Lying screws up society. So logically every religion condemns it. That it is in the ten commandments is just icing on the cake.
It's interesting how religious people can happily take religious beliefs to be facts, but they see evolution as a mere belief that, for some obscure reason, cannot be supported by facts.
I've been a non-believer for years and just recently binge watched all of potholler54. Gotta say thanks and even more appreciation for Paulogia. I'm enjoying your videos. Don't ever stop!
Thank you Paulogia. The truth about lying is important to reveal.
This video is beyond excellent. Thank you. Eric Hovind is as much a believer in his gods than Kent Hovind is (i.e., not at all).
thank you, desertphile
While it's true that the Moon is accelerating from the Earth, it should still be pointed out that even at it's current rate of escape, it wouldn't be anywhere close to the Earth a billion years ago. In fact it would still be about 200,000 km away 4 billion years ago.
You're right. This shows how dishonest these creationists are. They are targeting on the fools who don't even bother to do simple math to verify whether what they claim is true.
Thanks Paul! Excellent job as usual. I love the effort and research you put into your series. I am a no-traditional student studying anthropology and evolutionary biology and I love to see your well-thought-out videos. This one was just excellent in showing how very dishonest creationist are and how it impedes the learning process. Can't wait for the next one!
Give me strength, right if you announce that you follow a religion so loudly and proudly as they do then it is entirely reasonable for others to infer you are bound by the rules of that religion regardless of weather or not the others follow that religion. If you religion says lying is a sin & you lie & then lie about lying then its you that's a sinner and a hypocrite not the one who points it out.
Only a believer can blaspheme against their own faith after all.
Religious hypocrisy is something else!
Holding someone to the moral code they subscribe is pretty reasonable. Others believing the same source of morals isn’t relevant or necessary.
Holding them to the rules they say they follow & expect others to abide by would expose their rampant hypocrisy.
Paul, even though I only recent found your channel, and as a former Protestant myself who educated her way outta religion and deity beliefs, I DO send you lots and LOTS of love! Atheist love is, perhaps; THE most un- conditional out there after childhood is over.
I am SO glad you did this video and a'course he'd never admit to any wrongdoing bc if his Lard can do bad shit in the name of so ridiculous brand of righteousness the Eric can too. RIGHT?! Ultimately, this video will undoubtedly help someone else struggling with the final decision to exit the flock for the road of "critical thinking" or at least just thinking for their selves. 😃👏
Wish I'd found you sooner but better late than never. I will be tweeting this one. Oh and I've began watching from the beginning and moving forward. I hope you and your family are well and safe up there.
A Florida Fan ... Rock on.
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Thank you for the kind words. Welcome, Aszneth.
@@Paulogia - Thank you, thank you very much! 😃
I can't get enough of Ham and AIGs! Oh and btw, I have a proud badge of honor: a block! In Twitter, I got under Ken's skin about something a fee yrs ago and he blocked me! 🤭
Anyhoo, I just finished your first video with Ozymandius Ramses II (gosh, I hope I spelled that correctly, I only looked once before replying here). As per usual, insightful diving into the topic is so encouraging. Thanks for inviting him and all the others so far, especially AronRa. He is a long time favorite and I was devastated after finding out he has come to my town and I missed it bcoz at that point, I'd no clue who he was! 😭😭😭
Hmm, Ken should love all my emojis here, ay?
I'll be binging more this weekend. Thank you Paul.
"...and, in doing so, lead them away like the Pied Piper..."
Nobody apparently told him that the Pied Piper led the rats to drown and the children to starve, did they?
I think they'd file that under "persecution for Jesus"
Potholer is the best. He's got to be in my top 5 all time favorite TH-camrs. BTW us ex Christians make the best atheists.
Also, regarding morality, Matt Dillahunty makes a pretty convincing case for a sort of secular objective morality. That's where I tend to go but you do you. Just real quick, basically he says that the basis for his morality might be subjective but not arbitrary since it's human flourishing and well being but any actions in accordance with or antithetical to this end would be objectively so. He sometimes uses health as a metaphor. Are eggs healthy or unhealthy? Well it all depends if you have high blood pressure or a protein deficiency so things might not always be perfectly clear but we know for a fact that drinking gasoline is unhealthy and we don't have to be a doctor to realize that.
As a Catholic, Young Earth Creationism always seemed crazy to me and I never understood why some American fundie protestants were so adamant about it. It's bizarre, because their views aren't even representative of the beliefs of most Christians (protestants included). It's also very "American" (or North American) for some reason; European protestants, even conservative ones, aren't really YECers. From the outside looking in, it's just very bizarre. The best explanation I've found is that a strictly literalistic reading of Genesis was a way fundamentalist protestants in America came up with to justify sola scriptura and the "capacity of anyone to just read the Scriptures and understand all it teaches", contrary to (say) Catholics and Orthodox which were growing in the US at the time.
"God" IS a lie, a never-proven claim created by human liars to frighten other humans into meek submission. If "God" is a lie, "he" does not exist. As a nonexistent "being,""God" cannot lie. Even if "he" did exist but cannot do something like lying, then "he" is not all-powerful.
The problem with gods aren't their non-existence, it's the obvious failings of their claimed representatives here on Earth. If any good gods actually existed they'd be dismayed at their own PR, and rightly so. This sad fact, and recent shocking and cynical political alliances appear to be giving the game away and driving the growth of the "nones", so... more power to the hucksters!
I agree with your sentiment in totality, Paul. While I don't take people's beliefs as offensive, I do draw the line at disingenuous and contemptuous statements and actions. I left the Christian church at age 14, after searching for answers for a year within the church. The statement that broke my faith? That my grandmother had died because of her sin, and the suffering she experienced before her death was justified because of said sin. My own pastor said as much to me, a man I had blindly respected for years beforehand. Statements like this are harmful, as are the intellectually false statements made by the church, are unacceptable.
This is one of the reasons why I have started to read the bible again. I am highlighting any versus that I come across that are dishonest or morally wrong. I've made it to Leviticus thus far. And I hope to share these verses with people in this small Kentucky town I live in. If you have any you feel would be good verses to highlight, let me know?
Keep up the good work. I binge watch your content every night at work. :)
While I appreciate your habit of cleaning up the source videos that you are commenting on, speeding up Potholer54's voice is distracting.
That iceberg picture bothers me a lot and is a huge lie. Penguins and polar bears do not live together at all. Polar bears are in the north only and penguins are in the south only
I so miss Potholer's creationst debunking videos. They were what makes life worth living. And, yes, especially the award videos.
Abraham lied and said Sarah was his sister. most christians are unplugged when it comes to living for God. besides prayer there is living it,living the life that has to be done..be shrewd as snakes and gentle as lambs. but let God be proven by correct science by correct living .God WILL show up just give it time he doesn't need anyones help to prove he's what he says he is. dont lie if it effects lives only sometimes to save your behind right!? Peter denied knowing Jesus , isnt that lying?
Inverse square law ??? These guys are so stupid they think we believe their lies. Working out if they are lying or not is quite easy. Are they talking? They are making money out of this somehow. If they weren't, they wouldn't be doing it !!! Deep down, I am a nice guy, and I would like to help these blokes meet their god.
Ahhhhhhhhh. I love it when these types of people don't want to be held by their own standards.
God hating atheists? Oh you mean like the invisible pink unicorns running around? I dont get how they think someone can HATE something they dont believe even exists. But thats counting on them using logic..so its a bit of a stretch.