Most of the test runs on asphalt which is not what this bike is designed for, and if you want to climb more hills you need to change this tires and the chainring, no more than 36 teeth, ideally between 32 and 34 teeth ,you will lose some top speed but you gain in cadence to climb, electric motors, unlike gasoline ones, work better turning at higher revolutions, so it is always better to have a high pedaling cadence on an electric bike.
I still have my Maxxis Minion tires, but I swapped those out for Vee Speedsters for the winter. I'll put the Minions back on in the summer when I plan to do more trail riding. I did a video: E-Bike Ride | Testing the Vee Speedster 26 x 3.5 Tires | Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra Beast 2 | Ep. 5 th-cam.com/video/RcfIsIe2SBo/w-d-xo.html
Considering the Juggernaut Ultra Duo 2. Still the same Bafang M620 1000w 160Nm motor as yours,. I think. I've got a hill near me that climbs 550' in the first mile and 1000' in the first three mikes. Will this bike/mid drive motor cope do you think?
Mid drives will generally have more power because they use the ebike's gears more effectively. What I mean by that is, because the motor is in the bottom bracket and it spins from the chain ring, the motor's power is enhanced by the ebike's gears. On a hub drive, the rider benefits from the gears changing, but the motor output remains unchanged by the gears because the output comes from the rear wheel. Because of this difference, the mid drive requires the rider to shift the ebike's gears more effectively. This is because the change in the motor's torque directly impacts the chain and chainrings. If the rider shifts carelessly, sudden and extreme changes in torque is can cause damage. I don't believe this is too common, though. I don't think one can go wrong either way, but it really depends on the rider's preference and usage. I hope all this makes sense. 🙂 👍🏻
You're too funny! 🤣 If you haven't ridden one, you'd be surprised. With PAS 5 and using the full range of gears, I can get up to nearly 40 mph on flat stretches. On descents, the only thing that holds me back is my own common sense! 🥴 While climbing, the PAS levels and gear ratio work so well together that I rarely need to go above PAS 3 on 10-15% grades. I guess that's why they call it "The Beast." 👍🏻
Nice video. Next time it would be nice if you showed the battery life at various points, especially after the climb. I have an ultra 1000 that I bought used with only 22 miles on it. I’m basically in the same stage of figuring out the the limits based on riding style and terrain. Thanks
Wow, I was considering the Juggernauht Ultra FS, but the Beast looks so good. Those racks would come in useful and the range is awesome. Decisions, decisions!
I just installed a larger cassette on my eunorau fat-hs. I needed larger gears in the back to keep the motor spinning at a good speed. It's stock lowest gear ratio was 1.26 I got it down to 1.0 for now. What's the juggernaut's lowest gear ratio? I found it, 44÷42=1.05. That's pretty low factory. Nice bike.
Nice!! The Beast is a fun bike, too. So powerful and fast, and I can get good mileage out of its two 47v 15ah batteries. It's definitely a beast, though, weighing in at about 90 lbs with the batteries installed.
I just looked up the specs on your bike. Very nice! You take it off road much? Did you get the second battery and, if so, does it mount on the top of the down tube? I've been sticking to the road on my Ultra Beast 2 riding longer distances. I want to eventually do some multi-day touring on it. I did a 3-day weekend trip back on Easter.
@@twowheeltim I take it off road very often. The fat tires get more grip than 2.3" tires. My second battery comes in 2 days, yes it mounts ontop of the downtube. Our tires are similar, kinda knobby, I was looking at a road type of tire, for less rolling resistance, but I do go offroad often. If you keep yours on road, get a road tire, quieter and longer range, lol like you need that.
@John Doe I actually do have road tires on it. I bought Vee Speedster tires quite some time ago and absolutely love them. Here’s the video on it. th-cam.com/video/RcfIsIe2SBo/w-d-xo.html You’ll love the additional distance you’ll get out of the second battery. Well worth the extra weight, in my opinion. 👍🏼
Hey Tim, local here! Thanks for the great videos. I watched all of your videos on the Beast and they ultimately convinced me that you can't have the only Beast in town. I ordered mine today.....now the hard part....waiting...
That's great! Congratulations and thank you for the positive feedback. I love mine (obviously 😆) and I think you'll love yours, too! 👍🏻 As fas as the waiting goes, just remember to breathe! 🤣
What color did you get? They only had the black and the silver available when I ordered mine, but now I've seen several other nice colors. Although, I love the black with blue trim.
That was my sentiment, too. Plus, I love blue! You may have seen my truck! 😆 I bought some really nice anodized blue Race Face pedals because the stock pedals, while surprisingly nice, were a little narrow for my wide feet. I put the stock pedals on my girlfriend's Hub Duo and she loves them. Hope your bike arrives soon!
Uh oh. I have the wide feet issue as well and will probably have to look into some other pedals. And yeah, I saw your truck in your video. Heck, I’ve probably seen it in person; I drive by there often 🤣. Small world!
Hi Eric. I really don’t use the throttle much, but when I have it really kicks in with good torque. On the Beast, the throttle’s torque is actuated by the PAS level. I’ve been thinking of doing a video riding using only throttle to test out battery longevity and to see how it handles the uneven terrain in my area. Stay tuned. 👍🏻
@@twowheeltim That would be awesome to see. Thanks for the response and one more question if you dont mind? I’m a bit of a newbie, so does that mean that the speed you hit using the throttle depends on what PAS level you’re in? And in that case, do you shift while in throttle to increase speed? Thank you 🙏 I’m super close to pulling the trigger on one of these
Hi Eric, I can't speak for all brands of e-bikes, but on the Ultra Beast 2 the amount of torque from the mid-drive motor while using the throttle does increase with the PAS level (1-5). 0 (zero) PAS level is simply manual pedaling and you will have no response from the throttle. I think this may be standard for most e-bikes, but I could be wrong. You can change your PAS level on the bike while using the throttle, but I've never tested exactly how it responds and how fast I can go using only the throttle. That will be something I'll emphasize when I do a "Using the Throttle" video. Hopefully I can do that ride this weekend and have the video edited and published by next weekend.
It weighs about 76 lbs without the batteries, and about 90 with the batteries. It's definitely a Beast!! You can check out the full specs sheet on the Biktrix website: lddy.no/11uc6 All the best!
Good question. I prefer more a traditional geometry, but if they want to hook me up with a bike to test and review I wouldn't say no! I'm not sponsored by anyone and have paid full price for everything I've discussed in my videos, and I'm not ready to drop another $3500+ on a second e-bike. 🤷🏼♂️
For sure!! I'm still putting out feelers to companies about some level of discounts or sponsorships, but they either don't respond (in most cases) or tell me my channel is too small. That's okay. I love riding, making/editing videos, and providing some insight for people who may be new to bikes and e-bikes. 👍🏻
Most of the test runs on asphalt which is not what this bike is designed for, and if you want to climb more hills you need to change this tires and the chainring, no more than 36 teeth, ideally between 32 and 34 teeth ,you will lose some top speed but you gain in cadence to climb, electric motors, unlike gasoline ones, work better turning at higher revolutions, so it is always better to have a high pedaling cadence on an electric bike.
I still have my Maxxis Minion tires, but I swapped those out for Vee Speedsters for the winter. I'll put the Minions back on in the summer when I plan to do more trail riding. I did a video: E-Bike Ride | Testing the Vee Speedster 26 x 3.5 Tires | Biktrix Juggernaut Ultra Beast 2 | Ep. 5
th-cam.com/video/RcfIsIe2SBo/w-d-xo.html
Considering the Juggernaut Ultra Duo 2. Still the same Bafang M620 1000w 160Nm motor as yours,. I think. I've got a hill near me that climbs 550' in the first mile and 1000' in the first three mikes. Will this bike/mid drive motor cope do you think?
Absolutely, as long as you're using pedal assist. Using throttle on that kind of climbing will really drain your battery quickly.
I had a hub drive and loved it 1000 km no issues. But iam not so sure about owning a mid drive
Mid drives will generally have more power because they use the ebike's gears more effectively. What I mean by that is, because the motor is in the bottom bracket and it spins from the chain ring, the motor's power is enhanced by the ebike's gears.
On a hub drive, the rider benefits from the gears changing, but the motor output remains unchanged by the gears because the output comes from the rear wheel.
Because of this difference, the mid drive requires the rider to shift the ebike's gears more effectively. This is because the change in the motor's torque directly impacts the chain and chainrings. If the rider shifts carelessly, sudden and extreme changes in torque is can cause damage. I don't believe this is too common, though.
I don't think one can go wrong either way, but it really depends on the rider's preference and usage.
I hope all this makes sense. 🙂 👍🏻
@@twowheeltim iam thinking staying with hub drive seems like less maintenance. Thanks for all the information
WTF. That motor is HUGE. Everything is huge. How much can you help this monster by pedaling?
You're too funny! 🤣
If you haven't ridden one, you'd be surprised. With PAS 5 and using the full range of gears, I can get up to nearly 40 mph on flat stretches. On descents, the only thing that holds me back is my own common sense! 🥴
While climbing, the PAS levels and gear ratio work so well together that I rarely need to go above PAS 3 on 10-15% grades. I guess that's why they call it "The Beast." 👍🏻
I may have missed it, but what size battery were you using? Beautiful scenery, Thanks
I don't think I mentioned it in this video. It has two 48-volt, 15-amp hour batteries.
Thank you for the positive support! 👍🏻
Nice video. Next time it would be nice if you showed the battery life at various points, especially after the climb.
I have an ultra 1000 that I bought used with only 22 miles on it. I’m basically in the same stage of figuring out the the limits based on riding style and terrain. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback. Admittedly, I kind of got away from showing battery life during rides. 👍🏻
Wow, I was considering the Juggernauht Ultra FS, but the Beast looks so good. Those racks would come in useful and the range is awesome. Decisions, decisions!
I love it!! 👍🏻
@@twowheeltim quanto é o valor
A bicicleta custou US$4500
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I just installed a larger cassette on my eunorau fat-hs. I needed larger gears in the back to keep the motor spinning at a good speed. It's stock lowest gear ratio was 1.26 I got it down to 1.0 for now. What's the juggernaut's lowest gear ratio? I found it, 44÷42=1.05. That's pretty low factory. Nice bike.
Nice!!
The Beast is a fun bike, too. So powerful and fast, and I can get good mileage out of its two 47v 15ah batteries. It's definitely a beast, though, weighing in at about 90 lbs with the batteries installed.
I just looked up the specs on your bike. Very nice! You take it off road much? Did you get the second battery and, if so, does it mount on the top of the down tube?
I've been sticking to the road on my Ultra Beast 2 riding longer distances. I want to eventually do some multi-day touring on it. I did a 3-day weekend trip back on Easter.
@@twowheeltim I take it off road very often. The fat tires get more grip than 2.3" tires. My second battery comes in 2 days, yes it mounts ontop of the downtube. Our tires are similar, kinda knobby, I was looking at a road type of tire, for less rolling resistance, but I do go offroad often. If you keep yours on road, get a road tire, quieter and longer range, lol like you need that.
@John Doe I actually do have road tires on it. I bought Vee Speedster tires quite some time ago and absolutely love them. Here’s the video on it.
th-cam.com/video/RcfIsIe2SBo/w-d-xo.html
You’ll love the additional distance you’ll get out of the second battery. Well worth the extra weight, in my opinion. 👍🏼
I climb 500 ft in 1/2 mile often. I think it said 16% The seattle area has steep roads.
What are you riding? Just curious.
What bike do you have? How's the motor heat after that hill climb?
On the Beast Ultra 2, the heat after my climb wasn't too bad. I did stop at the top for about 15 minutes to give it a rest and shoot some video.
Hey Tim, local here! Thanks for the great videos. I watched all of your videos on the Beast and they ultimately convinced me that you can't have the only Beast in town. I ordered mine today.....now the hard part....waiting...
That's great! Congratulations and thank you for the positive feedback. I love mine (obviously 😆) and I think you'll love yours, too! 👍🏻 As fas as the waiting goes, just remember to breathe! 🤣
What color did you get? They only had the black and the silver available when I ordered mine, but now I've seen several other nice colors. Although, I love the black with blue trim.
I went with Black. I was tempted to go bronze, but black is nice and simple.
That was my sentiment, too. Plus, I love blue! You may have seen my truck! 😆 I bought some really nice anodized blue Race Face pedals because the stock pedals, while surprisingly nice, were a little narrow for my wide feet. I put the stock pedals on my girlfriend's Hub Duo and she loves them. Hope your bike arrives soon!
Uh oh. I have the wide feet issue as well and will probably have to look into some other pedals. And yeah, I saw your truck in your video. Heck, I’ve probably seen it in person; I drive by there often 🤣. Small world!
Great job, thank you brother
Thank you.
Nice Video!!!
Thank you for your support! 👍🏻
Was there ever a point where you mainly used throttle? How was it? I will be using it probably 50% of the time
Hi Eric. I really don’t use the throttle much, but when I have it really kicks in with good torque. On the Beast, the throttle’s torque is actuated by the PAS level.
I’ve been thinking of doing a video riding using only throttle to test out battery longevity and to see how it handles the uneven terrain in my area. Stay tuned. 👍🏻
@@twowheeltim That would be awesome to see. Thanks for the response and one more question if you dont mind? I’m a bit of a newbie, so does that mean that the speed you hit using the throttle depends on what PAS level you’re in? And in that case, do you shift while in throttle to increase speed? Thank you 🙏 I’m super close to pulling the trigger on one of these
Hi Eric,
I can't speak for all brands of e-bikes, but on the Ultra Beast 2 the amount of torque from the mid-drive motor while using the throttle does increase with the PAS level (1-5). 0 (zero) PAS level is simply manual pedaling and you will have no response from the throttle. I think this may be standard for most e-bikes, but I could be wrong.
You can change your PAS level on the bike while using the throttle, but I've never tested exactly how it responds and how fast I can go using only the throttle. That will be something I'll emphasize when I do a "Using the Throttle" video. Hopefully I can do that ride this weekend and have the video edited and published by next weekend.
How much does this bike way?
It weighs about 76 lbs without the batteries, and about 90 with the batteries. It's definitely a Beast!!
You can check out the full specs sheet on the Biktrix website: lddy.no/11uc6
All the best!
Quanto é o valor
Cerca de US$ 4.400
lddy.no/11uc6
I wonder how you would do with a grizzly
Good question. I prefer more a traditional geometry, but if they want to hook me up with a bike to test and review I wouldn't say no!
I'm not sponsored by anyone and have paid full price for everything I've discussed in my videos, and I'm not ready to drop another $3500+ on a second e-bike. 🤷🏼♂️
@@twowheeltim boy i feel ya on that its would be a dmf cool test for the 2 1000 watt motors and those Batteries Up the mountain
For sure!! I'm still putting out feelers to companies about some level of discounts or sponsorships, but they either don't respond (in most cases) or tell me my channel is too small.
That's okay. I love riding, making/editing videos, and providing some insight for people who may be new to bikes and e-bikes. 👍🏻