A.i. Consent and the Trial of Sam Gorski | CorridorCast EP
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After the response to our recent A.i. Voice video on the Crew channel, Sam & Jake sit down with the creative leads of that video, Dean and Nick, to clear the air and clarify some things.
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CHAPTERS;
0:00 What is Consent?
1:25 How Did We Get Here?
14:56 The Moral / Legal Lines
18:36 The Word Consent / Core of the Story
23:34 Corridor's Narrative Process
24:47 Beeple vs. Peter / Corridor's Video Consent Policy
28:10 Blends Between Characters & Real Life
30:44 Definition of Fraud
33:15 Legal Ramifications
35:15 Comment Reactions
38:00 Awareness of A.i. / How It Works
54:08 Using A.i. to Detect A.i.
55:03 Putin Deepfake Requests / Real-World Consequences
59:27 Common Use of A.i. in News Articles
1:03:30 Bosstown Dynamics 2
1:03:18 Birth of an A.i. Influencer
1:14:46 Moral / Ethical Considerations in A.i.
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Not for a second did i think someone could force jake to consent to something he didn't want to, dudes a lawyer, and a texpat, and full of sunshine. I thought it was a great funny video.
wtf is a texpat? my only guess is contradictory.
Texas Patriot? Maybe?
@@marfaxa texas plus expat
@@D33r_Hunt3r_ which is what i thought was contradictory since they're always talking about seceding
What do you mean by that? You don’t think someone could coerce him you mean? Why?
I just wanted to say. I appreciate that corridor treat the audience like adults and not children
As a 20-something female who has watched Corridor for the last two years, this was an incredibly funny and entertaining video and VERY CLEARLY exaggeration. Definitely would recommend.
I would love a podcast talking about all the people that used to be on corridor and what they are up to now. Like Adrian what is he doing now?
Generate what they are doing using AI and then catch up with them.
I wanna know what's happening with Gabe.
RIP OG Peter.
Adrian seemed like he never belonged to the corridor crew. There was always a feeling that he was not supposed to be there. His energy didn't match others'
checkout Spore
I think this whole time thing exemplifies a very valuable lesson in psychology. When I prepared for a voluntary service, I attended a couple seminars that coached us in dealing with difficult situations. One was in conflict de-escalation with trained cops, the other in dealing with misuse of power taught by ex-volunteers. After every de-escalation exercise the cops talked to the participants and told them specifically that it was an exercise. It felt redundant at the time but everything was fine. The ex-volunteer that did a ‚coercion to things I wouldn’t consent to‘ exercise with me didn’t do that. Even though I knew it was just an exercise, I kept feeling uneasy around him.
What that videos controversy kinda boils down to for me is that the narrative went way too far without any resolution. It’s one thing to assume that Jake was actually okay with it, but I personally think there should’ve been a clip at the end of just Sam and Jake having a one on one, resolving the situation, acknowledging the morality of it all and Jake saying that he’s genuinely okay with it. Yes, it’d break the narrative, but I think it would’ve relieved a lot of tension. For you it might feel redundant, but even though I knew that the video wouldn’t be up if Jake was uncomfortable with it, I still felt very uneasy.
You guys (and especially Sam) obviously didn’t deserve the backlash you received, but it’s a lesson to be learned ❤️
The situation really reminds me of the Carmichael incident where they took him on a high building with glass floors and sort of made of joke of his fear.
I believe it took a comment from one of the Corridor members acknowledging the situation.
I totally agree with your statement about the psychology. In part, I blame the TH-cam culture. It’s hard to sometimes know what is real and what is “real” for the camera. TH-cam has blurred that line to the extent that people want the assurance of fiction or reality because what is shown on the camera may not be an accurate reflection of reality.
Maybe we’re 95% certain that this was planned in some way, but it’s that 5% that leaves a nagging sensation of unease.
Hearing Jake call himself the heel really makes me think. I find Jake is crucial part of why I come around to the channel. Give yourself the credit you deserve, Jake. You do so much! Same to all of you on the team. Most of what you guys do come through on my end and I appreciate it all!
Yeah, I love Jake and honestly I would love to see him more with the team in the videos beside the sponsor segments. The video where he was "disappearing" like Batman is one of my favorites.
A big part of it is that there a number of other "prank" channels that would go too far with it. Whatever the hell is happening with David Dobrick and nearly killing his friend or whatever, or people smashing phones comes to mind. It sucks that it happens but those comparisons are made and kind of make it easy to assume the worst since the worst has happened already and it gets millions of views
Maybe if "Evil Sam" wears a specific hat or shirt, viewers will recognize the costume/content 😅
Still a big Corridor fan, including Sam. I hope that everyone who had concerns about the AI voice video takes the time to watch this conversation. I'll be honest, despite intellectual awareness that it was a story, it was an uncomfortable watch when the team was watching the vid of Jake's AI voice. The early point here with the baggage around the word consent is bang on, and justified. Clearly the video in question didn't fully land as intended with the audience, but open conversation about it after the fact are a key part of the process and IMO demonstrates why Corridor is worth following.
Thanks for addressing the topic and explaining the behind-the-scenes of this video! I think the worst part for me was the crew chanting "consent" - not even because of sexual connotations (they weren't that strong for me, possibly because English is not my first language), but because of crowd pressure on one person and showing how a "fun situation" may quickly become very disturbing.
That was deliberate irony
Just commenting for history.
What a great show and then being able to watch behind the scenes like this is totally such an interesting concept.
Much more interesting is how you guys are talking about the 'moral and legal' implications of this tech.
And on top top top of that many viewers were shookt.
Eyyy finally, I've been waiting to hear more into this. Love your stuff guys
Ohh yeah Jake came to LA for this. Like I'm going to believe that. I know this is manufactured content. That's really Jordan. You used deepfake visuals and audio to make us think Jake was there talking on this podcast. I'm on to you!
I think the interesting thing about the whole situation is that, just as Dean brought up, there is an explicit step for giving consent. If it was the same process as regular deepfakes, as in not needing consent, I think the reaction would have been much different even though they both are doing basically the same thing.
I think it was the best vid you guys did all year. Real enough and pushing the edge... Just perfect.
really enlightening and engaging discussion. This was my first cast episode and im definitely going to be tuning in more often to get a peek behind the scenes
From a lot of the comments that I read, I don't think people mistook the video as a joke, as it clearly was a joke. It's more that people felt that it was a joke in somewhat poor taste. What really doesn't come across is the extent to which people are actually okay with something (as Jake was in this situation) and the extent that people feel pressured to agree to something.
It's really easy to point to their friendship and their business as proof that, of course they were okay with it. It's also really easy to point to countless other videos where people were not okay with something but kept this discomfort behind the scenes. And it's not even about matters of sexual nature but about people feeling pressured to do something that they didn't want to do.
Great session guys! Glad that the topic was addressed. Such a great behind the scene stories shared here and will always look forward to the next one. Much love from Malaysia!
To be a true A.I. influencer, you'd need a function to occasionally make an apology video 😂
I so grateful that those guys, generally, understand the world.
I love your content, keep it up. You all are beautiful human beings!
Thanks. I needed this.
Love the podcasts, and love how ya'll try your best to educate others about stuff you know a lot about. Can't wait to see what's under the house 😂
That episode really got me emotionally in an undescribable way. I've been watching the Corridor/Node Journey since y'all built your own PC's with Freddie. The AI Episode including the reaction in the comments was incredible.
I've been listening to all of your podcast episodes since the start & y'all have talked about the future/ai many times.
The video really kinda made me think more about the general future, coexisting with ai .. etc.
Although terrified of where we will be with ai, the whole ai story line y'all established is amazing & a fun journey.
A great podcast / weekly YT episode!
Now subscribed thanks to this video. Having seen the voice A.I. video, I was naturally concerned and how you laid out the story planning and relationship is how I hoped things are at your company. Honestly, it was some of the tech talk that sold me. Keep up the great work and I look forward to the A.I. influencer video when it is ready. Also, thank you for exploring and demonstrating the tech that you do. BTW, I still think that your Luke was better ;)
I love it when Jake goes into lawyer mode :D
Wow, I'm surprised people weren't in on the joke. I thought it was obvious. I honestly didn't give it a second thought that Sam and Jake were playing it up for the cameras. I wasn't following the comments with people freaking out and the fallout. But the video does introduce a very important topic and questions to ponder while being funny and entertaining. The rape/consent connection is just so absurd and over the top. I can't even believe this needed to be explained to people. This just feels like people are searching and digging for something to be upset about.
Ikr. I'm baffled
I just want to say that I used a lot of this information of IA for an investigation proyect from college. It was called the truth of AI and talked about the moral and ethical problems and this podcasts that you make about this were really helpful for me, so thank you!! And for me it was cool just to talk about this videos that I like to see and giving information at the same time and I got a very good grade!! So thank you again guys!
I am disturbed *IF* this wasn't hyperbole and that there were people actually saying that Sam's giving off rapist vibes. Throwing the word out there indiscriminately kind of both devalues the word and the severity of SA in society while being really hurtful to guys just doing their own thing
Severity of silent assasin in society?
@@Candy-sm5yl I can't say the word lest getting reprimanded. Just sit on what my comment probably alludes to. Though assassins is quite bad news too.
"hes right you know" but fr i dont think the chanting of "consent" was wise. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND i dont think they were thinking about it in a mean or disrespectful way at all. its a lose lose, this video was a tricky situation.
@@AlexKeyes299 Oh it was a big careless oversight I agree.
@@AlexKeyes299 the consent chant would have been incredibly creepy and rapey in just about any other context, but you’d have to be willfully ignoring everything in the ~20 minute video you just watched to find it anything but what it was. Which was hilarious.
Bravo, crew.
The intro... I love it.
Loved the AI video and got it was a story immediately.
I do think the reason alot of people reacted the way they did was it addresses a real fear that people have about the technology that may come to pass. I also think a lot of viewers can't differentiate between content and what they imagine as reality tv. Love the videos and stories yall tell. Keep up the good work.
It’s mind blowing how dense the people writing these comments can be, including this one!
I was waiting for this episode! Haha
There is an undeniable goofiness to Jakes character, but along the lines of "Independent free spirit" a lot of his character is extremely wholesome and just straight up gives off everything positive about a "Dad Vibe". I may not be particularly interested in doing what yall do myself, but i really do look up to you guys, for a bunch of intangible (to me) reasons. Jakes character and personality is what drew me into that mindstate about yalls content.
I appreciate the conversation and the channel. Everyone included.
It's an agency-of-voice nesting doll in this project.
The levels conflate because of the microcosmic nature of field/project/execution.
The actual violation of consent in speaking as Jake in a legal sense as an exception, that can stand as shared growth. Your work doesn't need the extra juice of leaning-in to transgressing trust. It would diminish it.
It's the edge of a "tell people when they're doing stunts" idea. It wasn't needed for Bat Man disappearing reactions. But, I don't like the thought of innovating a fight scene through a reveal that the punch is real and a real surprise.
I like that you push limits and boundaries, and that it conscious of the bedrock of trust. Achievement with finesse.
I am here because of how you explore and create with critical thinking and humanity.
Keep up the curiosity-filled creativity and brilliance.
that episode was definitely uncomfortable for a lot of us, but i think most of us understood that IF jake had no idea/disapproved we wouldnt have seen the video. i feel like a little common sense wouldve went a long way for a lot of people, but people online go off their reactions
Or they could be explicit with something they think might be touchy...
I really hope that through the backlashes of what all creators inevitably face, you find the way to stay true to your company ethos and friendships.
Hey I thought that video was fucking hilarious and that yall really love each other that you feel comfortable to make that type of content! Incredible video, and I guess thanks for making this cast to "speak out" about it. But good lord. It was funny. Sam, quality job on it, you killed it. Dean, way to go, you are a badass!
I honestly still can't fathom people thinking this was fully real, I mean we could see the context separate from the video. And It is so infuriating how many people can still believe that it is just something anyone can do with 2 minutes of work and no effort.
Thank you for covering this, I felt uneasy from the AI voice video, but this really explains it. I think the main issue for me was the perceived peer pressured consent, because it didn't feel scripted. Also nice context to hear about Beeple and Peter, I had still thought from that video that there was a bit of discontent between them. And I hope Sam is doing okay after reading those comments, it sucks reading mean things about yourself when it was all a misunderstanding.
Thank you for making this video to clarify what is going on.
I think people are concerned of people using their likeness or voice without their permission in the future (I am thinking about maybe in a decade or more).
It really is a proof of corridor's narrative strength that I did get uncomfortable with that vid. Awesome
15:22, Nick talks about the context, there's an edit, then he's applauding Sam. Obviously Sam is just manufacturing more consent!
But seriously, I love what you guys do, and you obviously come across as trustworthy enough to pull these shenanigans with each other. Corridor doing professional work and also being able to do what you do in a meta way (on your site and TH-cam) is such a genius move. It makes you wonder why more companies don't do it, except to assume they don't have the skills. Thanks for all the information and entertainment.
I had no idea that video was taken poorly
Best part of that video was all the "you're gonna get fired" and "you're going to jail" looks in everyone's eyes when he'd show them and say what he did.
22:35 this "comment" got me too good omg 😂😂😂
There's also a big problem where a lot of people have this hero complex. They feel the need to defend anyone and anything no matter how big or small just to feel like they are doing some sort of good. Problem is, their rationality goes out the window and they end up making a fuss over something that didn't warrant it. They take everything at face value and don't consider the nuances.
BRO THAT CONSENT SCENE HAD ME SAYING YIKES but after using your brain about it u realise its a non factor and u touch on everything in this podcast great debrief fellas
An idea for videos: Dub your own anime, tv show, or movie,, but use the AI voice without the other person knowing what show you put them on. You can do a raffle where each editor gets a different person to dub.
I totally got that this was all good from you guys, what disturbed me was the people in the comments discussing consent. Especially sexual consent. I read stuff about “50 times no and one yes is still a yes” and “pressured consent is still consent”. That was disgusting about the whole thing.
i didn’t see any of those myself, but yeah, ick. a lot of weirdos come out of the woodwork when stuff like this gets discussed. When the crew talks in the episode about the word consent having a lot of baggage, it definitely does. Because the same word is used for this kind of thing but also the large issue of coercive sexual consent, the actual ideas raised in the video got lost in the comments. if they had said “get permission” or “sign off” instead of consent in the original video, they could have avoided things derailing
@@normalrachael yeah, I definitely agree. It's just that sort of trigger word, that calls out to both victims and perpetrators
There is a way of generating scripts and voice. If there is a generator of backbround stock footage from the script, you could do a whole video generated by AI.
I think you missed the sponsor link in the description. or im just being blind.
Please please please do more funny top 10’s or movie scripts and have GPT3 complete it. These podcasts seriously get me through long night shifts at Amazon
I remember watching it and was visibly sweaty for Sam while also extremely fascinated by the program for audio books possibilities. However, the legal stuff is something I’ll have to figure out more still
I don't know if the Globant ads is AI but there's *something* off with it, or the voice artist is an absolute master.
When you read in sci-fi about using voice harmonics to influence people... That's what the Globant ads sounds like. It's such a shift from "soft and sad" to "hard and confident" as the background volume quiets down...
It's either superb ai with sliders, or master voice artist and master sound engineer. Or, of course... All three :)
But it has a very "we have crunched a lot of numbers and this is the optimal way to worm our way into people's brains in six seconds so that when scandal X breaks people will think of us favourably" vibe to it.
I mean it's worked, I'm here talking about it. But I wonder how many other people have no idea what or who Globant is but are reading this comment going "huh, sounds familiar, and sort of reassuring..."
Apropos of nothing, something was bothering me when Jake was on screen. Then about 30 min. in, I noticed the vertical lines (on the wall) weren't vertical! I spent the rest of the video tilting my head every time Jake came back up.
Throwing venomous spiders on them is possibly the funniest thing I’ve heard in the last year. That image is great.
It's all in the edit
Guys, thanks so much for having a public discussion about this topic (I know I'm late to the party, I don't have as much time for long podcasts anymore recently).
I've been a fan of the channels ever since "The Last Minecart" (and Sam's been a big inspiration for me ever since he made the OST for "Prism" and through all his creative endeavors) so I like to think I'm pretty familiar with the shenanigans that are presented to TH-cam in each video, but I did feel uncomfortable with the story that was being told. Still, I know the story I would have told is not always going to be the story anyone else would have told, so I have not lost respect for you guys. (That said, if you guys could come up with more positive/constructive applications or story endings with this technology, that would be great, because so many take the Black Mirror approach of "what if technology went wrong/was used immorally", even though even a few Black Mirror episodes have a happy ending.)
Jake v. Sam Gorski Letzgooo
I don't think people realise how easy it is to edit footage to completely change the story of what happened
Yes. People love Jake.
I heard you guys learn some python scripting. As a developer I would love to hear about struggles and findings. Can you do series about that?
That video was so freaking funny.
Dry humor can offend people who don't get it. I wouldn't read into the comments.
People getting hightened emotions over words need to take a deep look inside to see what is actually wrong. I conform when it comes to discrimination but sexual, (not present) diseases and lifestyle language are fair game.
Concerning "The Button", I think you guys should not talk about it or promote it on the Corridor Crew channel (Cast should be fine), but rather let it into the wild and see if it gains independent traction. Also, concerning animations, there are some text/audio-to-facial animation AIs out there. I don't know if it will be effective or efficient, but it might be worth looking into.
Anyway, I'm loving the ideas and can't wait to see what comes out of it!
12:23 It is alright to put out a long comment explaining some things. People aren't usually lazy when they are worried, they will read it. Your viewers are not against any of you. Having the full picture like how it's explained here has eased my mind greatly, but not everyone knows about this podcast. But anyways, ya'll are great and I look forward to what else ya'll put out.
I'm not entirely surprised that people freaked out about it, though I didn't consider it at the time. If anything, I saw the whole meeting segment of the video as a kind of Monty Python-esque over the top escalated situation.
Though I am supportive of being sensitive to people's traumas and history, I do often have discussions with friends about the etymology and nuance of using terms that one group or another deems "problematic". Because it goes both ways...a topical example recently being the bill passed in Georgia where people can't seem to understand that discussions of sexual orientation are NOT the same as discussions about sex.
But at the end of the day, as figures in the public eye, there will inevitably some time where someone takes umbrage with what you say... I'm not quite there yet, but fully expect that I will have plenty of opportunities to put my foot in my mouth when that time comes.
Can I get your consent to make an ai corridor podcast? That would be hilarious😄
I think for a lot of people, it’s an issue of thoughts vs feelings. Like I watched this video and thought it was hilarious. And I knew that there was absolutely no way that what we saw in the video with jake giving his consent was the end of that conversation. I also felt a bit put off by all of it, but that was the point of the narrative. the issue arises when people feel the need to justify their feelings by thinking that real people are at fault.
You guys are the best. I need friends that actually know what I’m talking about like you guys!
I think the important takeaway is that AI is terrifying in the wrong hands. Imagine the path of destruction one hacker could create by generating digital copies of people to incriminate. New laws are required to reel this eventuality in.
The part that stood out the most to be was the asking for consent in front of everyone. As you said there wasnt actually any pressure there on Jake, but it did certainly feel a bit rough. Still a fun and great video tho lads
Keyword of the video: context
I think people are more pissed about the fact that you CAN actually fabricate consent for these things
I wanna see Evil Sam in an actual Corridor video where he's the main villain and he has an army of Jake Terminators.
This is definitely a real-world issue. There are banks and other service providers that use voice verification - the easiest example is using 'Okay Google' to unlock your phone. We have seen issues with these services where you don't even need AI, people were just using recordings of the person saying the phrase.
With this in mind, I do think that more (and more public) testing of these concepts needs to be done. This testing really should be done with the company's consent though. There are defined bug bounty programs and testing scopes that allow for responsible hacking or testing. Without abiding by those specific programs and agreements you can open yourself up to serious litigation, especially if it negatively impacts the company you're testing.
Not that i think this is necessarily an issue here, but just a caution for aspiring ethical hackers.
I watched that video several times, was so good. I always see Niko as ‘the good guy’ and Sam.. well you guys all know Sam :D
Sam is awesome because he’s kinda like the “fuck around and find out” guy. Adam Savage from Mythbusters vibes
8 minutes in and their explanation so far is almost exactly what I assumed. Stuff was clearly hidden from Jake but exaggerated for laughs, as was the consent stuff. I get that it is a serious subject, but if we can not make light of serious issues what are we supposed to do. Comedy is a way to cope with reality. It doesn't mean you don't care.
Please check out the new Nvidia program for putting a voice directly into an animated model. Super cool stuff.
Check out two minute papers about it :)
There's something so Dad about Sam's shoes
I'd like to see a monster/ enemy influencer, from like a horror movie or game. I imagine it would do "a day in the life" vlogs about scaring travellers that enter its cave, or even a monsters mental health awareness video about how it's hard to make friends and fight depression and loneliness when you're monster, or any other kind of horror enemy character. Or even a family vlog channel 😂
Y'all kicked the hornets' nest with that video.
I have a rather different opinion on it than a lot of people have. I see their points that this can be misunderstood, but the message you were giving is quite important. The morality of it is more important than you might think, because it shows quite well how easy it is to use software for malicious purposes. How easy it actually can be to ruin someone's life. In this case you need to give consent with your voice, but in other cases you basically just need to tick the box, which makes it very problematic. Imagine a 12 year old student who doesn't like his teacher for whatever reason. He secretly records him multiple times during lessons, feeds it into the programme, generates his voice, writes something untruthful what the teacher had never said and then goes to the headteacher to show him a fake video about him.
I know that this is simplified and that a real scenario is more complicated, but the sheer possibility of creating something fake maliciously with that ease is definitely a problem. There are hundreds or even thousands of scenarios, where you could use this video for frauds and tricking people into something bad
there's a lot of stuff you can learn on TH-cam and it's up to the viewers how to use that knowledge, it's obvious that the video was done for entertaining purposes in first place
So breaking bad shouldn't have been made because it shows the creation and sale of drugs?
I didn't realize people got so upset about this. It didn't land like that for me at all.
I wonder if the AI company will be improving their consent process 😁
definitely
I personally could not stop laughing knowing that you guys wouldn't post that video if it weren't a narrative that was supported by Jake
I've said it before, even on the Corridor Discord server, that being a huge fan shouldn't include thinking you're friends with a "celebrity" and can call them out and bug them IRL all the time. They have their own lives, this is work. They'll read comments if and when they have time, and respond if they feel like it. You're not privileged to replies or literally anything, no matter if you're a sub, patron, etc. They're not being rude if they don't reply to literally every comment.
I get that you're a teen, you like a person online, but you still need to think about this.
I personally left the server partly cause of the amount of people who were there just to get the crew's attention, nothing more. By any means necessary.
Best example for copying voice in work is NileRed voice in NikeGreen parody channel.
Omfg I am glad Nile is cool with it because it’s sooo funny
I haven't seen it, but I'm guessing its pretty perfect since his delivery is already pretty deadpan and monotone.
i wish they answered the question of wether or not they've ever v-toed a video because someone on the crew was not ok with its' release. oh and what it was if it happened! would've been juicy! xD
Definitely check out the AI voice imitation channel NileGreen. NileGreen is a parody channel of science communicator NileRed. They were in a podcast recently. He did it without NileRed's approval or knowledge. NileGreen said he was going to start imitating others too.
I agree!!!
Dude for the longest time I thought it was his own meme channel, it's soooo good.
i honestly just cant wait to see Jakes sponsorship intergration AI. i can just imagine his home office green screened behind a monty python looking cardboard cutout animation of Jakes body, with a deepfake of his head (angela anaconda vibes) talking about how the guys at manscapes wear vessi shoes whilst sprucing up their website on squarespace using B roll from storyblocks. It would be something to behold......before it gained sentience and destroyed us all by forcing us into clockwork orange type situations forcing us to watch sponsored ads all day.....but till then, YAY, AI JAKE!!
50:11 It was a good call to not have made a jankier AI voice first and instead went the TH-cam poop out of context syllables mashed for the sake of the story.
Y’all there’s already a AI Influencer. Look up Miquela. She’s been around for a while.
As someone that was upset with the previous video, I'm glad you guys took the time to clear up all these concerns from your fans and supporters. Keep up the great work.
coming soon: Son of a.i. dungeon.
Can we calm now, guys?
That's not really Jake. It's the A.I. again!
😉
sam became ursula
To me the video was pointing at something interesting, but I don't know if you had to make a disclaimer at the beginning of the video saying it was for comedy purpose or something like that.
This podcast episode goes deeper into the discussion about the deepfakes so it s also an interesting episode.
(Yes ! I knew you used the fake Jake voice in the brand integration!)
Sam said the word "like" more than the likes of the video... poor Sam.