Evolution is HOPELESS! (feat MindShift)
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- Our examination of the "Evolution Exposed" all-star creationist six-hour epic seminar with Ray Comfort and 10 other well-known prominent anti-evolution speakers. This time, sign-writer Tim Chaffey tries to answer life's seven biggest questions.
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Thanks so much for the invite to do this, Paul. It was an absolute honor!
So cool to see both of you!
Love your work Brandon, it’s really surreal to see you on such a big name show! Praying for your success… or… actually nevermind.
Nice.
Ha! thank you so much@@jameskpolk9137
It was awesome to be here! @@KB378
Imagine a parent telling their child that the only reason they had children was so that they could have a cult that worshiped them. 😐
Our mom told us..
Is there any other reason?
If there is a god, they wouldn't demand nor desire worship.
@@Kastled5 _"they wouldn't demand nor desire worship."_
Why not?
@@Dr.JustIsWrong
are you a father? Do you have any desire for your children to worship or praise you (even to go so far as to demand it)?
I would say : think about God as you know him (eg. His attributes) and then posit if it makes any sense that he would do such a thing.
Admittedly, I got there by asking, "if I were God..."
Warren jeffs?
"we pulled together evolution experts and give them 15 min to make their case"
translation: we demand scientists to summarize an entire field of science to 15 min and cut out 12 of them and misrepresent and lie about the rest.
no, they pulled together experts at LYING about evolution. There are no scientists there.
Not even that.
More like 'we pulled together experts at misrepresenting atheism, evolution, and science in general, and gave each 15 minutes to go over their script'
Yeah this series is pretty old so you might not remember or be aware but this entire "seminar" had zero scientists in it, let alone any that have anything even close to expertise in biology.
It's literally eleven apologists plus the simple-minded son of a former apologist tax fraud and spousal abuser. I wouldn't trust these "evolution experts" to handle household cleaning products without incurring a body count.
>Evolution experts
>A bunch of apologists
Pick one.
Brandon is an excellent communicator. I find his channel to be excellent. Mindshift sticks to the subject and offers up clear and rational responses to the claims of the religious. I am so glad to see Brandon here on Paul's channel. Mindshift is a young channel and deserves a larger audience. Thank you guys.
I'll go and sub to the channel 👍
@@danielmartin5632 Cool.
I’m just over the moon for Brandon. He deserves the visibility and attention.
@@riseofdarkleela Beautifully said.
Yea it's hard to find people I can relate too but I feel like this place has a lot of people I could get along with philosophically.
"We were able to make moral progress on what the God of the Bible could not." Great statement Brandon.
"Instead of exposing evolution, I'm just going to spend my time telling you why I think I would like it better if God existed. Oh, and my reasons for that are horrifying."
How the hell could anyone call punishing the most innocent person instead of people that actually deserve to be punished “justice”?
Think about it. How often do Christians claim repeatedly that they need to be forgiven no matter what henious act they commit? That they just didn't do it and that someone ELSE should be persecuted instead?
It's the entire premise.
It's not just Christians... Do you suspect that any cultures have been eradicated because someone on the conqueror's side did something taboo, and wouldn't fess up, and pointed fingers and worked the crowd, and stuck to their story? What about town - have any towns been massacred for a similar reason? Probably not, I know. Some people cherish themselves over entire towns worth of other people, and even more than that... you must have encountered this by now. That's the sort of reasom that we developed religion. It probably began as a way to cope with death, and other unexplainable phenomena, but then developed as a way to tame our urges enough to be able to live close to each other. Though, even today, there are allegedly religious people who have trouble socializing as equals with others🤣
That's why I won't even concede that Jesus is admirable or "a great teacher". He's propped up as deliberately pitiful by Christianity; it's sleazy. Him taking on the weight of sin doesn't make much sense outside of magical thinking, but it's a perfect entrance vehicle: "You owe it to him, he suffered for you, how dare you not admire him?".
@@contrafidem884 " Him taking on the weight of sin doesn't make much sense outside of magical thinking"
It makes sense when you are the king of ancient israel and you want people to stop human and animal sacrifices.
It was a way to get people to be a little less savage and wasteful. It gave barbaric and cruel people a safe outlet for the bloodlust they expected from their religions.
@@jimbob3030 The kings of ancient Israel were long gone by the time of Jesus. The region became the Roman province of Judea in the first century BCE, with only client kings of ever-decreasing power and relevance from the time of Augustus through to the diaspora. How can the kings of ancient Israel have influenced the Christian interpretation of the death of Jesus in the way you say? It's not a Jewish claim; it wasn't part of the development of apocalyptic messianic Judaism in the second and first centuries BCE. Jesus did not achieve anything that Jews interpret as being what the messiah was foretold to do -- it turns out that being executed gets in the way of earthly achievement!
'God can kiII whoever he chooses.' - a christian
'We get our morals from God.' - also a christian.
Also god fears man per the Bible lol
Brandon is a great guest!
Love his calm, rational, and focused arguments.
He doesn't even get "Canadian mad".
"Canadian mad". me neither. what does that mean? Next week I'm going on vacation to Canada.
@@MrCanis4 Paul is Canadian (as am I).
Paul, like Brandon, is generally very chill.
So when Paul gets heated on occasion it's a very low key thing hence he gets "Canadian mad".
🧐😁
@@dethspud Great, I got it. 😂😂Next week I will go to Canada for the 17th year in a row. Friends in Spruce Grove and from there with 'my' camper to the Fantastic Canadian Rocky's. Love your contry and people.
Brandon is't Canadian, right?
I have been following this Atheist - Religion debate for a few years now with a North/West European perspective. Extreme, funny, sad, fascinating, embarrassing but above all surprising, startling point of view.
The US put people on the moon and still can't let go of this bronze age worldview.
@@MrCanis4 Hope you enjoy your vacation. Camping is a great getaway. Pretty sure Brandon is American.
I asked my brother in law (who's Canadian) what 'Canadian mad' meant and he wrote: "That's when you politely explain why you disagree without saying 'sorry' once."
8:04 "He will, he's just waiting for more people to believe in him."
Imagine a firefighter having this attitude. Only he also started the fire in the first place.
Yeah, this is just ridiculous if you put even a tiny amount of thought into it.
What percentage of the population believes in the right god? It's probably not accurate but close enough to assume that every single day that percentage of people are being born. But the remainder of the percentage who are not going to believe in God are also being born. And all those people will be tortured for eternity. He should have saved humanity immediately after he cursed humanity when there was still only two people on the planet.
Great to see Brandon having come this far.
Mindshift is one of my favourite channels in the space. Brandon brings a quiet earnestness to what can easily be an angry and ranting or a dry and boring collection of atheist TH-camrs.
How any Christian can use the idea that evildoers are not punished as an argument is mind-blowing. They're the ones who claim that all believers are rewarded in the afterlife, regardless of behavior.
Welcome to the Paulogia cartoon avatar club
Brandon at Mindshift is such a great addition to the cause. I’ve been subscribed to his channel for several months now and haven’t seen one episode that wasn’t brilliant, educational, enlightening and practical.
I still can't help but laugh every time the intro vid plays the clip of them saying "experts on evolution" given how utterly the majority of their "experts" fail to comprehend the topic (and the rest just knowingly lie about it)
The one afterlife that we can be sure of, the one afterlife that we _do_ actually _know_ to exist, exists in the memories of us, that we leave behind in others.
Soo... how do you want to be remebered? Fondly? Bitterly? Reluctantly? Lovingly? Mockingly? Not at all? You decide.
I found Brandon's channel a couple of months ago when The Algorithm (Blessed Be It's Name) recommended one of his videos ("Answering Tough Questions, From An Apologist, About My Atheism!"), and I thought his answer to question 4 was probably the best I've ever heard (outside my own head 😆), so I took a look at what his channel had to offer, and within a couple of videos I was subscribed.
Hell yes! Best two TH-cam atheists finally collaborateing! I said this to Brandon when he announced this video, but I want to reiterate here that you two are literally the only openly atheist channels that I could comfortably link to an active Christian in my life. Thank you for maintaining respect in all you do!
You nay want to try Holy Koolaid too
I don't really watch Brandon but if he's anything like paulogia, then I agree. I enjoy watching other channels, but they can be too combative/defensive (which is understandable tbh) or say things that may make Christians stop listening. Paul is very calming and I think he's a good introduction to atheist channels for religious people.
@@lisahenry20 Right in point! 🙌
Kristi Burke's channel is really good too
Eddie Murphy, Jonestown eyewitness, 'y'all bein played
Tim Chaffey being a "doctor" of divinity is like me being a doctor of Dungeon Mastery.
But... are you a doctor of Dungeon Mastery?
@@joemerino3243 you have to roll above 15 to learn the answer
@@joemerino3243😂😂
I recently found Brandon’s channel, and I’m glad I did. Keep up the good work both of you.
Husband is an evolutionary biologist - was just discussing evolution on his lunch break. 😂 His university does not require biology students to even take one class in evolution!
I'm a painter. Love the M.C. Escher use.
Not sure how a person can properly understand biology without learning about evolution.
@@Thezuule1 Because evolution is taught in basic 100's-level biology courses.
There's so much evidence proving the theory of evolution. I have a good hearty laugh whatever these Christians and other religious folks claim they can debunk it😂😂😂
Fun fact: By volume there's more xtians believe evolution than there are atheists.
And they can't prove their god theory without debunking it on the next sentence lol
@@JohnTezlaNFSgod hypothesis*
@@V2ULTRAKill I guess, maybe its both.
my favourite one which I have never got a Christian's answer for yet, is my do men have nipples ? they are totally useless.
3:46 they like to casually smuggle in "ultimate"
I'm happy not having an ultimate purpose. I'm kinda just out here doing things. I know what my goals are and what id like to do with my life
YES! The union we've all been waiting for! I hope the two of you are very happy together. 😀
For those of you unfamiliar with Mindshift and Brandon, go make yourself familiar with this channel. Brandon is a very thoughtful and articulate commentator and I want to see his channel enjoy as much success at Paulogia's.
These apologists are simply drawing a bullseye around their arrow: they think Christianity provides answers to these questions, therefore they conclude that these are the most important, and indeed only, questions to ask.
Every time I hear the opening about experts in evolution I roll my eyes so far back as to see my brain.
Excellent! I have spent the last several days bingeing Brandon's videos, it's fantastic to see him on my favourite channel
I've always wondered what made their "experts" experts in evolution. I'm guessing it's that they talk about evolution a lot and not that any of them are biologists! Being a creationist automatically disqualifies you from being an expert on evolution, biology, or really any science as your brain has clearly checked out!
They're the most ignorant and incredulous that could be find, so it makes them absolutely the best for Argument from Ignorance and Argument from Incredulity that creationist favor.
Thank you for calling out SO many of the same problems I have. Ie, their idea of justice allows for a deathbed conversion by a serial killer to "save" him, but his victims who don't know/believe the faith get damned. That, to me, seems like the height of injustice.
Kristi Burke and Mindshift also offer excellent reasons to question the Bible and address it's many problems.
Even secularism is not immune from problems though.
Let's goo. Brandon crossover episode!
One of my favorite things is when apologists say "if there is no God the world would look like " and then proceed to exactly describe reality.
Great job Brandon. Thanks Paul. Buy coffee tables.
- for the seven "big" questions, they always frame their answer in the most awesome light imaginable and the so called "secular" answer in the worst. They wanna sling mud, I can sling it right back, harder. According to the Bible, we exist for the amusement of cosmic horrors who demand absolute dominance.
- Question 1 - so what? Why am I supposed to be horrified at the thought that a purpose was not assigned to me without consent?
- Question 2 - again, so what? Why am I supposed to find fulfillment in worshipping a Lovecraftian entity that invents ways to make people suffer because it's still upset that a lady ate a fruit instead of fellating it in the specific manner it wanted to be worshipped? These questions are always framed so that we're supposed to find fulfillment in the fundy answer, but that only works if you grew up indoctrinated in that environment.
- Question 3 - time to whip out a long list of horrific stuff done in the Bible. The apologist response at this point is to simply scoff and say that it's God's nature, it is what it is, suck it up buttercup, reality is unpleasant. But at that point, why am I supposed care if a universe without God is immoral? As for them failing to answer the Euthyphro Dilemma by saying "oh, God doesn't decree morality, he IS morality", that just shifts the question.
- Question 4 - The Bible clearly states there is no hope. The vast majority of humans will be made to suffer for all eternity. A tiny elect will be permitted to not suffer, but that is highly conditional upon them worshipping a guy who is proud of his ability to torture people. Secularism, by contrast, says there is no ultimate despair.
- Question 5 - They openly admit they think the majority of humanity is going to be tortured, and they are cool with it. Remember: they are the cheerful ones. If you see people like them in a Lovecraft story, you know shit's about to get good.
- Question 6 - They define justice as torturing people for the crime of birth. Only those who can harden their hearts to smile upon the torturer will be spared.
- Question 7 - As Darkmatter2525 has pointed out, the ways of the god of the Bible are not mysterious. They are as base and primitive as the ignorant savages who wrote the Bible. But we in the modern day can and have done better.
Nice rant. 👍😊
Great comment. Your last paragraph prompted me to recall those bad old movies (King Kong, for instance) where we were titillated to horror with scenes of orgiastic savages sacrificing virgins and bowing slavishly down to cruel gods. The Bible presents us with this very picture, with the only difference being that there is no monumental idol for the Biblical god, and that he surpasses even the movie icons in menacing us with eternal torture in fire.
The full lurid gruesomeness of those old movies is rife in the Bible-- divinely commanded slavery, rape, and genocidal slaughter of foreign tribes, to be carried out by his chosen people, obscenely exulting in their power as his henchmen, who afterwards must express their gratitude in abased adulation at his feet. And this god is explicit in declaring his own nature-- that he is jealous, wrathful, and requires everyone to worship him in an attitude of abject terror. Intermittently, in rarer passages, he also declares that he loves us and orders that we adore him in a bond of divine sadomasochism. He is the Supreme and Holy Abuser, reigning over every last cubit of space and moment of time, annihilating all hope of human freedom.
It should be noted that most religions do not present us with such a malevolent vision of the divine as the Abrahamic God. There has been some kind of special sickness going on in that part of the world for many centuries-- a toxin that has diffused outward to poison the whole world. It has manifested itself in American exceptionalism-- that America's people are the inheritors of the status of God's chosen people-- and recently, that Russki Mir, the Russian world, is the true bearer of Christianity and destined by God to carry out his establishment as ruler of the earth. And of course, jihadist Islamism and the captivity of the Palestinian people under Israeli Zionism.
"THROWN INTO the lake of fire"?? That doesn't sound like we send ourselves there to me...
You know, I got a bullshit online ministers license to perform a marriage ceremony for some friends. A couple in the audience were impressed by the ceremony and asked me to perform their own wedding, and ten years later, I could have a decent little side business doing weddings--and occasional funerals for humans and pets--if I wanted to charge people for my services. A decent bottle of Scotch and a plate of food from the reception are my standard fee. But I relaize now that rather than being a bullshit minister (pardon the redundancy) I should become a holder of a bullshit PhD. Then I could hit the creationism circuit and give easily disproven reasons for why "evolutionists" are wrong to the great acclaim of creationist audiences. And I would charge them a steep fee for the benefits of my credentialed wisdom. Weddings are free; science denial is going to cost you. Unethical perhaps, but is it ever truly unethical to separate fools from their money, particularly when the fools clap for the show and leave with smiles on their faces?
Those people don't want to know the truth, if it conflicts with the bible they chose to ignore it. So no i don't think your idea is unethical.
Sorry for the very late reply but I just watched the video for the first time. Yes it is unethical to preach or teach something you don't believe in. Especially when it can hurt people. You may not be killing people by preaching homeopathy but you are spreading the denial of accepted science. Someone who might have gone into the sciences doesn't. Laws get made. Policy is made. All on lies. I think it is definitely unethical.
Ah. I miss these longer videos.
Dr. of Ministry "degree"... right. Congratulations indeed! 😅
I liked GodlessGranny "doctorate in sandbox" version.
@@Julian0101 Sounds like something I have to check out!
PhD in “Ministry” - about as relevant to reality as a PhD in Hogwart’s spells.
Mind shift is great. Glad to see him on here!
Here's this argument in syllogistic form
Premise 1: Without God there is no hope
Premise 2: That's bad
Conclusion: Therefore God is real
All of Tim's points/arguments boil down to; Without God there is no "X". That's terrible. Therefore God is real.
I never get tired of hearing Ray Comfort described as an expert on evolution.
He complains that under a naturalistic worldview “The mass murderer suffers the same fate as the most loving and kind person” but like [*sniffs*] kinda smells like Christianity …
Under the Christian worldview, the most virtuous unbelievers are being savagely tortured for eternity, while generations of inquisitors, witch hunters and war criminals are chilling in Heaven. Just believe the magical story and say the magic words, and all crimes are washed away. No wonder Christian history is so bloody and brutal.
An eternity of worshipping a deity in heaven would be hell
I love hearing Ray Comfort because it's like hearing the Ancient Aliens guy. You are always going to hear some hilarious ridiculous theories.
18:24 I heard an analogy which I thought was a fairly potent one. Imagine a universe where everyone is constantly getting repeatedly bashed on the head with cosmic truncheons. Would you not expect philosophers of that universe to say how it's actually good to that they get whacked on the head, that it gives life greater meaning, and that it makes every moment between hits ever sweeter? Would many of them not argue that they would _not want_ to live in a universe in which they weren't being bashed on the head, because such a life would be a meaningless drifting through painless joy, while the constant hits to the head keep them grounded and motivated?
Ultimately, were we in a universe in which aging and death were not simply hard truths of life, what do you think would happen if you told someone "you know what would be really great? If our bodies just started to break down after a few decades and we spent a while with mobility issues, chronic pain, and our loved ones watched as we slowly deteriorated, before we just stopped working entirely and decayed away!" They'd look at you like you were insane. If you tried to argue that it gives life greater meaning or something, they'd just be perplexed at why you want to suffer needlessly. We can tell ourselves that death gives life more value, more meaning, but deep down, it's just a cope. Millions of people spend their entire lives trying to help themselves and others live longer. Why would people try to devalue their own existence? If death is the only way that life can have meaning, why have people sought immortality for as long as there have been people?
Death is not some silver lining, it is indeed a curse. Not one cast by God, but by the uncaring hand of evolution. And I hope that we rid ourselves of it some day.
Gotta say, I agree. I honestly dont get the objection to living forever (from a non-religious standpoint). Im an atheist, I am in no way dumb enough to believe religion offers a way out of death, but I would LOVE to live forever, like the highlander... but without having to cut heads off.
Question #1) Why am I here?
For me, I am here because my dad was watching reruns of I Dream of Jeannie and had sex with my mother. I get that everyone’s conception is different, but there’s no need for some deep, ego-based answer. So call me a nihilistic, but it’s because of a hook up in the 70s.
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I didnt notice the FEAT part on the video title. Then MindShift pops up and nice surprise.
Good to see you both collaborating now.
Why must there be some underlying meaning to life? I'm completely comfortable with living my best life with no "meaning" in the Christian sense. Meaning for a Christian basically involves living your actual life worried about sin and in fear of hell in exchange for a future post death experience in heaven for which there is no proof. There is no objective morality, but there is subjective morality that comes out of our shared experience as human beings.
I know my week will finally turn around (for the better) when Paulogia uploads!! Thank you so much for everything you do!
Love Brandon! Awesome that you’re collaborating
When Tim Chaffey says God will concur death when enough have believed in him, a chill ran down my spine. It's like we're living in a flipped universe were God is really evil, but he makes himself out to be "good" and all those who believe in him are actually going to a candy coated hell. And when "enough" believe in him, he will reveal his crazy cruel true identity. lol, 🥺
conquer, not concur
"If I whine hard enough about things I don't like, it shows that my invisible magic friend is real."
""If I whine hard enough about things I don't like, it shows that my invisible magic friend is real."---- ???
To acknowledge the transcendent as divine, is to be human. There are no non-human religious animals. To deny God is to devolve into something less than human.
"I have never been able to dismiss the content of religious thinking simply as a stage in human consciousness which we have superseded, as a part which we can dispense with in the future. So I have continually been forced during my life to ponder on the relationship between these two worlds of the spirit, for I have never been able to doubt the truth of what they are pointing to.” (Werner Heisenberg “Scientific and Religious Truth” Cross Currents Vol. 24, No. 4 Winter 1975, pp. 463-473)
Another excellent video, Paul. Your work, and your guests, are superb. Just one question: How the heck do you not have far more subscribers?!
Good question!
Thx for the awesome content ❤❤
I absolutely love Mindshift's content and yours as well Paul-totally stoked to see you guys working together!
Two of my favourite skeptic creators collabing together! 🥳🎉
I'm so keen to see this I can't even do my usual thing of forcing myself to watch a playlist chronologically! I gotta see this one NOW!
'...the only justice we are going to find in this world is the justice that we make'. Yep, now you are getting it Tim.
Buh two of my faves hanging out? Yes please. Definitely more collabs please! Would love to see a more informal conversation between you two 😊
Hello Paul, thanks for having Brandon on. I found his channel several weeks ago and have been watching and learning a lot from him like the Triad gods from Ghana which are similar to the Christian Triad but far kinder and more helpful. I a looking forward to more of this series on Evolution Exposed Exposed. May you both take care and stay safe
Mind Shift's channel definitely deserves a view guys. He makes some insanely good rebuttal videos and he's an amazing speaker. Couldn't recommend it enough if you enjoy deconstructing Christianity with heavy handed philosophy and logic.
I’ve been with Brandon when he was just starting off and barely had any subscribers and to see him featured on so many channels and grow truly is amazing. He really helped me out during some of my toughest times in life. I have the upmost respect for Brandon.
When he was talking about wanting justice to be better than some people getting away with things and some people not, I was thinking, "You do know that Jeffrey Dahmer believed what you believed when he died and many Holocaust victims did not, right?" I would not want to be anywhere near his version of heaven, and it most certainly would NOT be JUST.
Great team up I've been watching mindshift religiously (lol) recently
this i s definitely one of the best videos . Brandon is really well spoken and covincing in a calm and reaonable way. just like you do when you take on the crazy apologists.
I just went over to Brandon's channel. Wow, he has a 'secular' bible study! And the first one is Genesis. I know what I will be doing next. 😊
Can the evangelicals admit that when the Bible says things like “…cursed is the ground BECAUSE OF YOU;..” from Genesis 3: 17, that I’d their god exists, he’s an abuser? “See what you made me do?!?” Is such a tactic of an immoral person that it’s hard to reconcile with a “loving God”.
I know what is like to be dead. It's exactly the same as it was before I was born..
God came from nowhere and he was always there. magic!
Yes! One of my oldest favorites with one of my newest favorites!
I think it's so cute that Paul makes bad little drawings of his friends
Thank you for featuring Brandon! Yours and his channels are two of my favorites!
Love Mindshift getting more attention. Very epic
Yeah, he surely deserves it!
To be fair, the "For the Bible Tells Me So" jingle would debunk Tim's ENTIRE screed from the very base. That's it, that's all that's required at the minimum.
Brandon handled the rest of how problematic the Christian views (especially the version Tim is spouting) about their place in the world as well as the straw men erected (and expected) by him. Nothing too different or new (shocker right?) on that front as we might expect.
14:44 In a sense it is true that might makes right is the basis for Christians setting God as their moral standard though I don't think most of them even look at it that way, they simply set God as their moral standard because he is, you know, God! And since they can't imagine their morals coming from anywhere else, there you go.
I don't really hear Christians arguing nowadays about how their God is "bigger, badder, meaner and greener than any other Gods and that he can krump the lot of em that's why he's da' bestest" the way the Orks of Warhammer 40k apply their sincere notion of might makes right with regards to who they follow. Their ideal of God is that he IS the best but not quite for reasons of might as we might know it(they do argue that he is the highest authority but then again they have no standard to compare that objectively with anything else either so it's just another way of them as saying that it's God).
Also that line about Hitler, yeah Tim is totally going to conflate it with evolution as a whole or natural selection/survival of the fittest which is something I hear a lot from Christian apologists or commenters nowadays. This shows just how little they understand natural selection or survival of the fittest and how comfortable they are with pushing something as a negative simply because they've been primed to hate it without ever understanding it.
I feel like having people outside of their religion critiquing their arguments has kind of broken aig. Cults and isms are having a tough time in the Internet age, they can't cope so they just keep repeating the same stuff they've always been saying.
I really love how Brandon answer these questions with such passion yet emotionally calm.
So great to see Brandon branching out to ther channels. Hes so gifted at breaking down and communicating key ideas. Always a worthwhile listen.
Thank you Paul for this wonderful video thank you for inviting Brandon from mindshift. I recently discovered his channel and it is fast becoming one of my favorites
Hawking: "The brain is a computer that ceases operating upon death. To believe otherwise is a fairytale for people afraid of the dark."
Creationist: But the dark is scary. So there.
Every time I hear a Christian use Hitler as an example I want to scream. They completely ignore the fact that according to their belief system the vast majority of the victims of Hitler are now suffering eternal damnation in hell.
Brandon AND Paul - excellence in reasoning, information, and persuasion. Do it again soon, Paul.
Great job Brandon! Love Mindshift and Paulogias channels and the collaboration!
Hey Brandon has a Paulogia cartoon. Impressive.
Man, Brandon has such a kind and calm voice. Like if I was a kid having a very bad day, he would calm me down in 2 seconds.
A seminar on evolution with Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, Eric Hovind, Tim Chaffey and a good collection of DI tools? We haven't seen a show like this since Barnum! Comfort's pup is the most intellectually gifted being involved, hands down.
"God says I'm able to fly. Physics says I'll fall to my death unassisted. But it would be so disappointing if I can't fly under my own power, so Physics must be wrong."
God inadvertently takes credit for all the tyrants of the world. All the evil that Pharaoh did was done under God's eye with tacit permission for his eventual purpose.
Just in the start of Exodus alone we have two genocides. One of the Hebrew children that Moses unlike the rest of his generation escapes from, and then the god sanctioned death of Egypt's firstborn in retaliation.
So, from God's perspective that's basically Saint and sinner dying alike. The Chosen and the not chosen, the elect and the non-elect dying exactly the same with Divine sanction.
Job the righteous man has questions in light of extreme difficulty he faces, again with Divine sanction. And God's answer to him is " you weren't there now obey me and shut up."
David commits a sin by having Uriah killed and sleeping with his wife. God punishes the infant with one week of pain and then death TO PUNISH DAVID. I thought life was precious just because it's life, or at least that's what Christians say. In which case you treat life better than your God in your own book, which shows you're better at morals than your God.
A purposeless and indifferent universe is much easier for a person to swallow based on the things we see and experience everyday.
If you are a theist and you believe God has a plan and desires a positive outcome, you still have to contend with all the parasites that Dawkins mentions. Insects whose entire life cycle as an organism is to burrow into the eyes of children and make them blind.
Cancer in children, cancer in adults, cancer. What possible purpose could there be to cancer?
And to the Christian who says that was man's sin and the devil I have to ask who was it who put the loaded gun in the room with his brand-new child? ( the tree of knowledge with his brand new creation Adam and Eve?)
We all just experienced a global pandemic where millions of people died.
I have no doubt that millions of those people prayed fervently to the father, and Christ no less, and just received a " sorry your number is up."
And what about all the people who prayed to the wrong deity? Tough shit for them I guess.
A theist may be able to say that it's bad that an atheist has to contend with a cold and indifferent universe. Fair enough.
I would say that is no worse then a cold and indifferent Father figure who if he was a human being we would all describe as a malignant narcissist.
It's never about your needs its about his needs.
He will help you if and only if it is convenient and advantageous to him.
If you did something to displease him you will rack your brain trying to figure out what it you did wrong, because he won't plainly tell you.
If there is an absolute boundless agent out there who sees our suffering and either decides to help or let us rot, that in itself is way more psychologically destructive to everything good about humans then simply believing "shit happens."
Because really, in a roundabout way, the believer doesn't get any more solace then an atheist, and yet you have the added worry of not knowing what you did to piss off your God.
If you're a Christian and you have a family member dying who is a non-theist or a believing parent who has cancer, your mind is instantly racked with guilt, doubt, instant questioning of "why me? Wasn't I holy enough? Master who sinned that this man was born blind?
It's actually funny that religious people will use the concept of cold indifference as a negative of being an atheist when Jesus' answer to the disciples about who sinned when the man was born blind was to say " he is such so that God can show his wonders when I heal this person."
IE its the Divine sanctioned version of shit just happens, except you have to deal with the added strain that somebody wished it.
Religious people have the same exact moral faculties and environment they are exposed to as a secular person is, you religious folks just go through extra steps Norman Rockwell Style trying to make it all fit into one cohesive picture.
The problem is, the cohesive picture you inadvertently create is one of a tyrant who decides who lives and dies who is blessed and not blessed, vessels fit for Mercy or vessels nade for death.
You guys end up with a malignant narcissist who is compassionate only some of the time, and his compassion doesn't even extend to those he loves necessarily.
Keep in mind what happened to Jesus. The man was beaten, scourged, then crucified, if your Orthodox, he harrowed hell, and then after three days lives again...........but even he doesn't know when his father is going to send him back to actually save us all. The Saints have to grovel and pray hoping to be of the elect.
THATS WHAT GOD DOES TO HIS FAVORITE PERSON?
When you look at the psychology of it it kind of explains how religious people fall for Cult of Personality.
Jim Jones? Charlie Manson? David koresh? L.ron Hubbard?
Each one a malignant narcissistic personality. Their only justification? Follow me because I commanded
Your moral framework is trying to get you to Intuit the desires of a being, with no guarantee of a reply.
@@jamescampbell8482 tldr
We assembled 6 nitwits to engage in Gish Galloping and extol the conspiracy to have our views suppressed.
Two of my favorites! You love to see it.
Ok so that's a lot of stuff - mostly completely unrelated to evolution - that the Bible makes them feel more cozy about. Therefore evolution is wrong? 🤔
_(yes I know I may be expecting too much from that bunch... still working on that 😉)_
Evolution is the easiest to understand of all the scientific fields that prove them wrong, which is why they focus on it and pretend that everything is evolution.
You know you’ve made it as a content creator when you become a Paul-O-Jee-Uh cartoon character. Congrats Brandon.
Wow, your channel has evolved so much since SciStrike and I were voice over characters! What was that, 2017? It's great to see you still going strong Paulogia!
Yay! This is the pair I've been waiting for :D
Two of my favorite TH-camrs together! Woo hoo!
This was amazing!
I love that Chaffey reads a quote from Jerry Coyne, and then does the exact thing Jerry calls out “the faithful” for doing in the quote he read.
Great guest, thank~you!
Woohoo Mindshift ❤
There are very few absolute certainties in this reality. That "their" god doesn't exist is one of those.
The appeal to consequences is as strong as ever in Christian apologists.
The funny thing is that they unintentionally admit that it seems like non-belief has none, as far as death goes.
Well done! An excellent rebuttal!
Two heroes for the progress of humanity! So happy to see these two powerhouses collaborating 👏
Nice.