I’ve been big on the Cade/Ausar/Tecch/Tobi/Duren lineup. Not sure if it’s realistic to fix his handle in one off season, but I won’t be suprised if it is better and he flashes a lot more playmaking next year.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yeah, I wouldn't expect Ausar to do any major stretches of ball handling or anything. Just diversify the actions of the offense and not run every 1st action at the top of the key via a P&R with Cade. The Center probably becomes more important because you'd want to up the number of DHOs.
Yeah we won 14 games last year but even last year this team wasn't 14 wins bad. We have to either move past it or stop leaving context out. Wouldn't be shocked if they playing for a play in spot next year. Not saying they will just wouldn't be shocked.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 The teams that have a divided incompetent front office bumping heads. Plus, an overpaid unethical coach who did everything imaginable to get fired. How many other teams join the pistons on that list? 🤔
I definitely wanna see some improvement but I also want a top 5 pick in next years draft. Hopefully we can find a true no.2 option to put alongside Cade.
14 wins was the result of Monty Williams and Injuries. Just Bickerstaff get us 5 more wins this year. Being healthy and having actual NBA players get us 5 more. If Ivey, Duren and Ausar develop, we get another 5.
WILD TAKE ALERT if the pistons can keep Cade, Ivey, Holland, Ausar and Duren together, they have the potential to become as good as last year’s Celtics starting lineup one day. I know that’s a bold take but with how old they are and the pure potential they have, i think it can happen.
Don't follow Ku on this one about Ausar. The Pistons had a "secondary ball handler" (who was not a shooter) next to Cade last year and the stats show his assist percentage was within the top 10 in the league. His name was Killian Hayes. Granted Ausar is a better athlete, rebounder and defender, but it is unlikely he would be a better ball handler than Hayes. If Ku said a secondary guy who played defense and could score, I would get it. Wasn't that the point of "spread the floor"? Of course, what team doesn't want a guy who can create for himself, others, shoot and play defense.
@@thugwayjoepog8163 My suggestion is that at least one of Stew or Ausar have to start (and preferably both) or else your defense is FUCKED fucked and you're losing 65+ games again.
The best thing to help us come out of the cellar would be to not have any expectations! Or put them real low! I don't expect crap after last year. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they double last year's win total.
C’mon Ku. If they took Melo they would not have gotten ‘Sheed. And without ‘Sheed they win none. Darko was a bad pick, but the only one that leads to the Pistons ring. And Darko has more Finals appearances and rings than Melo😂😂😂😂
Over. Play in baby. Here is why. Two of these teams will be in the play in. Toronto will be competition. Chicago stinks. Charlotte stinks. Nets stink. Wizards stink. Hawks may stink. Pistons can finish in the top two. And then it’s one win for playoffs. And imo I think Orlando will go downwards
Clearly for us having the top odds in the lottery means nothing. So we shouldn’t worry about tanking. And we won’t be good enough to be out of the lottery, so we will be in the Flagg talk/hunt. We should just work on developing young guys and part of that is learning to close out games.
@@cordelldemattei5446 It's still a trash roster, and there are some good consolation prizes beyond Flagg. They should want the highest pick possible, since they are definitely still going to suck this coming season anyway.
@@scottwickett1273 well, but my point was that we know the worst record does not assure the best draft pick. They aren’t that different until you get to 5 or 6. Atlanta got #1 with a 3% chance this year. As you said, they are not going to be a good team, so do all they can and don’t worry about the lottery-they’ll have a shot.
Under 24.5 Book It Based upon the current roster I've been predicting between 22-26 wins depending upon health and the Pistons not tanking the end of the season. Those are two huge caveats, and the chances of both falling on the side of winning 25+ games is slim. While the Pistons have replaced veterans who have struggled with injuries over the past few years with healthier versions, we still have some young players with a less than ideal injury history. While I don't consider Cade, Stew, or Duren injury prone, what are the chances all three play 70 games next year? Two of the three getting to 65 games would be a substantial improvement. Most teams have some random rotation guy unexpectedly suffer an injury. While we have the wing depth to overcome such an injury, our center depth can only handle one of the three guys missing games during any single stretch. Worse yet, at PG we will be dependent upon Sasser or Ausar running the team without a secondary PG should Cade or Ivey miss a game. Even if Cade and Ivey both play 75 games that is 14 games with Sasser or Ausar as the only PG on the floor for extended minutes. Should one of those two only play 65 games, that puts us at 24 losses, before we even get to look at what a healthy team might lose. Even if the Pistons are on track to crush the 24.5 win mark, what are the odds of them continuing to play everyone all the way to game 82. After being mathematically eliminated from the play in, the temptation to shut down guys, or at least give them more rest games than needed will be high. Especially as GMs salivate over Flagg and some of the other top draft picks. The chances of the Pistons trading young players for win now vets at the deadline is real, and could push us over the 24.5 win mark, but the odds of us trading veterans for future draft picks is much higher. Malik Beasley and Paul Reed both have contracts that are designed to be traded to teams looking to cut salary, or replace an injured/underperforming player for the playoff push. Even Fontecchio, who is very popular with Pistons fans has a contract well suited to be traded to a playoff team that can give him a big pay raise and go deeper into the tax line.
a 20 win team in the nba is really bad....the pistons have legit depth and a nice mixture of vets and youtrh..plus a coach that has a chip on his shoulders and wants to win! Definitely over for Det.
You got a good lineup there. That’s a big lineup with ausar at the 2 I think it would work. He’s our best defender too. I think I like Beasley at the 2 and asaur at the 3.
Really? The playoff tested vets they acquired didn't come there to win 24 games, the goal must be at least to battle for a play in tournament spot. If they finish way below inside 5 games out of the play in tournament spot it will be an even bigger failure than the 17 and 14 win seasons. They're not just there to help the youngsters they're there to win and try to get to postseason play.
Ku, a couple of things about your lineup. Ivey isn’t that small and I think his shooting is more likely to take a jump than Ausar’s. Even if Ausar can improve playmaking he still needs to be able to shoot or they just play off him. Yes, his defense is better than Ivey’s, but Ivey’s and Cade’s were basically the same last year. The other is everyone is putting huge faith in Fontecchio with only very limited sample size on a terrible team. I’m not sure he will have the lateral quickness to guard a lot of 3s in the league. If he can’t that front court of Tech, Tobias, and Duren could be a sieve.
@@scottwickett1273 I think it is far more likely Ausar finds a shot than he develops good handling and playmaking in the off season. With that he could start the 3 over Tech.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Fontecchio has to start, just because he is so much better than the other actual shooters (Beasley and Hardaway). My lineup is Cade/Ausar/Fontecchio/Stew because it's their three best players + their best prospect (who fills needs with POA defense and supplemental rebounding); lots of options for filling the last spot.
@@scottwickett1273it would be Harris. To much money to sit him for someone not clearly better. That's my starting five with the current roster. But Durens going to start if we don't trade him.
The over is easy because it was easy to see that a lot of the games were self-sabotaged last year. That’s why so many are betting it. It’s an easy win.
We have to remember starting killian cost us at least 10 games and the young guys are a year older so with the addition of 3 good vets we should easily win 24
12 wins baby let's GOOOOOOOOOO!
12, 12, 12, 12!!!!
Yes they will!
I’ve been big on the Cade/Ausar/Tecch/Tobi/Duren lineup. Not sure if it’s realistic to fix his handle in one off season, but I won’t be suprised if it is better and he flashes a lot more playmaking next year.
Leaving Duren on a defensive island hasn’t worked well to date
Who is Tecch?
Ausar as PG with Cade playing SG could work in limited minutes but not for long stretches.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yeah, I wouldn't expect Ausar to do any major stretches of ball handling or anything. Just diversify the actions of the offense and not run every 1st action at the top of the key via a P&R with Cade. The Center probably becomes more important because you'd want to up the number of DHOs.
@@keithlabarrie3098 Simone Fontecchio
Is Dan Burke still with the Pistons organization?
I don’t think he is
Yeah we won 14 games last year but even last year this team wasn't 14 wins bad. We have to either move past it or stop leaving context out. Wouldn't be shocked if they playing for a play in spot next year. Not saying they will just wouldn't be shocked.
Lol how many teams are losing 60 games in the east?
@pheralanpathfinder4897 The teams that have a divided incompetent front office bumping heads. Plus, an overpaid unethical coach who did everything imaginable to get fired. How many other teams join the pistons on that list? 🤔
I definitely wanna see some improvement but I also want a top 5 pick in next years draft. Hopefully we can find a true no.2 option to put alongside Cade.
LMAOO we'll be getting a top pick no matter what
@@bigfellamike1913 Happily yes!
Sadly we're likely getting a top six pick. But maybe we can keep tanking for three more years while Trajsn drafts a dynasty.
14 wins was the result of Monty Williams and Injuries. Just Bickerstaff get us 5 more wins this year. Being healthy and having actual NBA players get us 5 more. If Ivey, Duren and Ausar develop, we get another 5.
WILD TAKE ALERT
if the pistons can keep Cade, Ivey, Holland, Ausar and Duren together, they have the potential to become as good as last year’s Celtics starting lineup one day. I know that’s a bold take but with how old they are and the pure potential they have, i think it can happen.
To anybody thinking this roster is good enough to win more than 26 games, I pray for your mental health.
😂😂😂😂. I’m praying for yours
Don't follow Ku on this one about Ausar. The Pistons had a "secondary ball handler" (who was not a shooter) next to Cade last year and the stats show his assist percentage was within the top 10 in the league. His name was Killian Hayes. Granted Ausar is a better athlete, rebounder and defender, but it is unlikely he would be a better ball handler than Hayes. If Ku said a secondary guy who played defense and could score, I would get it. Wasn't that the point of "spread the floor"? Of course, what team doesn't want a guy who can create for himself, others, shoot and play defense.
We need Dramond and Kuz.
Wait, wut?
I say Ivey Beasley Cade Tobias Duren would be interesting 1st 5
FA PG THJ Ausar Simone Stew 2nd unit
Wow so you WANT them to tank.
@@scottwickett1273 lolll
@@scottwickett1273 what's your suggestion
@@thugwayjoepog8163 My suggestion is that at least one of Stew or Ausar have to start (and preferably both) or else your defense is FUCKED fucked and you're losing 65+ games again.
@@scottwickett1273 lol
Odds to win division are 500-1. I bet $10 and payout is $5k.
You just wasted 10 bucks.
The best thing to help us come out of the cellar would be to not have any expectations! Or put them real low! I don't expect crap after last year. Although it wouldn't surprise me if they double last year's win total.
Without expectations we are just the Wizards😂
If 95% of the betting public is taking the over... 😂 Pistons are doomed.
Yes I was very surprised to see that factoid the other day. It's so confusing.
C’mon Ku. If they took Melo they would not have gotten ‘Sheed. And without ‘Sheed they win none. Darko was a bad pick, but the only one that leads to the Pistons ring. And Darko has more Finals appearances and rings than Melo😂😂😂😂
That hook tells me to take the under. 23 to 24 wins. Anything under that would be a disaster.
Probably not, but that line is not as wildly far off as last year.
I think 24 is pretty realistic. Would love to get to 30. But don’t think so
Yeah I agree, 24 wins is what I'm expecting.
@@luniz4209 Yea it's a good line, this is not like last year when the under was very obvious easy money.
With no down low defense they will get their asses kicked. And they don't have it, in fact it's gonna be worse then last year.
This is why Stew should start over Duren.
Over. Play in baby. Here is why. Two of these teams will be in the play in. Toronto will be competition. Chicago stinks. Charlotte stinks. Nets stink. Wizards stink. Hawks may stink. Pistons can finish in the top two. And then it’s one win for playoffs. And imo I think Orlando will go downwards
This team isn’t good enough to be a play in team. This is a 26 win team
Lmao. Ok champ
@@marcorolo4726 this team isn’t better than Toronto or Charlotte
I like the optimism, but I think you’re underestimating how bad this team might be defensively
@@marcorolo4726 He's right, except even 26 is a bit optimistic to me.
Pistons have been so dissapointing lot years, trying to figure out how many wins is wack.
By trade deadline, many franchises will be planning to plant their flags on Cooper 😂 Cade staying healrhy/ Under😮
Clearly for us having the top odds in the lottery means nothing. So we shouldn’t worry about tanking. And we won’t be good enough to be out of the lottery, so we will be in the Flagg talk/hunt. We should just work on developing young guys and part of that is learning to close out games.
@@cordelldemattei5446 It's still a trash roster, and there are some good consolation prizes beyond Flagg.
They should want the highest pick possible, since they are definitely still going to suck this coming season anyway.
@@scottwickett1273 well, but my point was that we know the worst record does not assure the best draft pick. They aren’t that different until you get to 5 or 6. Atlanta got #1 with a 3% chance this year. As you said, they are not going to be a good team, so do all they can and don’t worry about the lottery-they’ll have a shot.
@@cordelldemattei5446 I would much rather be picking 5 than 10 in the instance of bad lottery luck.
@@scottwickett1273 of course. But I’d also like to develop our current players.
How they'll use Duren will be be the biggest factor. If he still is what he is and plays heavy minutes they'll barely win 20 games
Yup.
I think a lot of that will be determined by the defense in front of him as well.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Better start both Ausar and Stew, then.
@@scottwickett1273 they should sign Okoro, but based on what happened to Grime Trajan is not a fan of that archetype
@@cordelldemattei5446 yeah Tobias, Hardaway and Beasley, they added no defensive help. That's a dangerous game
Under 24.5 Book It
Based upon the current roster I've been predicting between 22-26 wins depending upon health and the Pistons not tanking the end of the season. Those are two huge caveats, and the chances of both falling on the side of winning 25+ games is slim.
While the Pistons have replaced veterans who have struggled with injuries over the past few years with healthier versions, we still have some young players with a less than ideal injury history. While I don't consider Cade, Stew, or Duren injury prone, what are the chances all three play 70 games next year? Two of the three getting to 65 games would be a substantial improvement.
Most teams have some random rotation guy unexpectedly suffer an injury. While we have the wing depth to overcome such an injury, our center depth can only handle one of the three guys missing games during any single stretch. Worse yet, at PG we will be dependent upon Sasser or Ausar running the team without a secondary PG should Cade or Ivey miss a game. Even if Cade and Ivey both play 75 games that is 14 games with Sasser or Ausar as the only PG on the floor for extended minutes. Should one of those two only play 65 games, that puts us at 24 losses, before we even get to look at what a healthy team might lose.
Even if the Pistons are on track to crush the 24.5 win mark, what are the odds of them continuing to play everyone all the way to game 82. After being mathematically eliminated from the play in, the temptation to shut down guys, or at least give them more rest games than needed will be high. Especially as GMs salivate over Flagg and some of the other top draft picks.
The chances of the Pistons trading young players for win now vets at the deadline is real, and could push us over the 24.5 win mark, but the odds of us trading veterans for future draft picks is much higher. Malik Beasley and Paul Reed both have contracts that are designed to be traded to teams looking to cut salary, or replace an injured/underperforming player for the playoff push. Even Fontecchio, who is very popular with Pistons fans has a contract well suited to be traded to a playoff team that can give him a big pay raise and go deeper into the tax line.
It'll be just over the number of wins needed to get Cooper Flagg...
League isn’t sending Cooper to Detroit lol
Yes
Third coach in three years. I've stopped having any type of hope for this team
Melo a ball stopper that doesn't play D. He isn't that guy. They wouldn't win with him.
a 20 win team in the nba is really bad....the pistons have legit depth and a nice mixture of vets and youtrh..plus a coach that has a chip on his shoulders and wants to win! Definitely over for Det.
This team is still really bad.
anything less than play in contention is a complete and utter failure
Complete and utter failure it is, then!
You got a good lineup there. That’s a big lineup with ausar at the 2 I think it would work. He’s our best defender too. I think I like Beasley at the 2 and asaur at the 3.
With Beasley at the 2 and Tobias at the 4 that reduces your turnovers with 2 vets in the starting lineup
It also ruins your defense that was already shit.
Really? The playoff tested vets they acquired didn't come there to win 24 games, the goal must be at least to battle for a play in tournament spot. If they finish way below inside 5 games out of the play in tournament spot it will be an even bigger failure than the 17 and 14 win seasons. They're not just there to help the youngsters they're there to win and try to get to postseason play.
LMAOOO the vets we got are TERRIBLE, THJ is BAD, Tobias is BAD. we got MAYBE 9 games better, we still have ZERO rim protection
@@bigfellamike1913 Exactly, this is all true.
Tobias returned to finish out his career where his wife can be close to family. THJ and Beasley didn't have a better option than a 60 loss team...
Carmello played garbage basketball, they probably don't win any rings with him
No one is going to hold Ausar there just going to sag back a and let him shoot that = high turnovers
Ku, a couple of things about your lineup. Ivey isn’t that small and I think his shooting is more likely to take a jump than Ausar’s. Even if Ausar can improve playmaking he still needs to be able to shoot or they just play off him. Yes, his defense is better than Ivey’s, but Ivey’s and Cade’s were basically the same last year. The other is everyone is putting huge faith in Fontecchio with only very limited sample size on a terrible team. I’m not sure he will have the lateral quickness to guard a lot of 3s in the league. If he can’t that front court of Tech, Tobias, and Duren could be a sieve.
That's why at least one of Ausar and Stew needs to start, and preferably both.
@@scottwickett1273 I think it is far more likely Ausar finds a shot than he develops good handling and playmaking in the off season. With that he could start the 3 over Tech.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Fontecchio has to start, just because he is so much better than the other actual shooters (Beasley and Hardaway).
My lineup is Cade/Ausar/Fontecchio/Stew because it's their three best players + their best prospect (who fills needs with POA defense and supplemental rebounding); lots of options for filling the last spot.
@@scottwickett1273it would be Harris. To much money to sit him for someone not clearly better.
That's my starting five with the current roster. But Durens going to start if we don't trade him.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I still have no idea why Duren would start over the dramatically superior player, but you are probably right about Tobi!
The over is easy because it was easy to see that a lot of the games were self-sabotaged last year. That’s why so many are betting it. It’s an easy win.
Lol. Lmao, even.
30-35 wins
Lol. Lmao, even.
We have to remember starting killian cost us at least 10 games and the young guys are a year older so with the addition of 3 good vets we should easily win 24
"At least 10 games"? That seems excessive.
You have to remember we actually won more games with Killian in the lineup than without him last season.
Team was at it's best when Killian was starting last year