My mom works in IT and she used to bring home these latitudes all the time, I remember the shell/formfactor. These were awesome with XP running. Great video dude!
Computer guys: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is magnetic hdd. Me: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is os & drivers. upgrading hardware must follow upgrading windows is nonsense..what i feel when win98 to winxp no difference speed/performance but when downgrad winxp to win98 i see performance & eficiency but bottlenecked by drivers & apps support.
When he says that laptop has 160 MB of RAM, 20-year-old me's (from the mid-90's) voice in my head chimed in with "shit, that's a lot of memory" lol. :)
@@leylandlynxvlog I remember some of my friends and me, waiting for our lab session for programming ( we were doing a degree in computing in university). One guy says he's just bought a 40 mb hard drive. Someone else replies (his words, I'll never forget them): "40 meg? 40 MEG? FUCK ME?! You'll never fill that!!!!" This was 1995 IIRC. :)
I have 32gb of ddr4 2666mhzt ram, dam how technology has changed, I bet in 10/20 years 32gb will be laughable I bet machines will have around 200/300gb ram easily
@@seanmccafferty3189 I think you got your size or year wrong because 40MB in 1995 was very little. Quantum Fireball was a popular consumer range and they launched in 1995 with their 540 MB and 1.08 GB drives. year after with 640 MB and 1.28 GB. In 1990, 40mb was the smallest size I could get for the computer I bought then.
@@GeirEivindMork We may have had those sizes available in 1995, but as poor students then, we'd have been as likely to afford them as the average house at the time. My first, very basic, PC was an IBM PC/AT, which admittedly was 10 years old at the time of purchase in January 1995, had a whopping 10mb of hard drive storage, and was the type before IDE (I forget the name of it now). I upgraded it gradually, getting my hands on a 40mb IDE drive later that summer when I upgraded the motherboard also. I didn't get a 1.2gb drive until 1997, where I bought a stolen one from a friend who'd nicked it from his work, and it cost me £100 then, a fraction of what it would have cost otherwise.
No it doesnt. He tests a Celeron instead and that doesn't work so he tests a Pentium 3. That doesn't work so he tests another newer Celeron. That doesn't work so he tries another Celeron and it finally works. Saved you 45 min :)
*YBN* Who in the world are you talking to? This is TH-cam! For cryin' out loud, USE THE REPLY BUTTON UNDER SOMEONE'S POST IF YOU'RE REPLYING TO THEM!!!! Don't just post a whole new comment! STICK WITH THE THREAD THEY STARTED OR COMMENTED IN!!!
While the memory you purchased was probably salvaged, because of how memory is produced at the EOL there are always large stockpiles of unsold memory left to the manufacturer or OEMs. So despite not being produced in more than a decade, you can still fine brand new dimms
My thought exactly, there's a difference between newly produced, factory new and used. There are decades old computer parts or even computers that nobody ever used and are even sealed so it's technically brand new, even though it's painfully obsolete.
I brought my new DDR 2 1066 2gb memory*4 from mircon's official taobao store.so think about it if still have brand new old tech memory being produced. Edit: those ram I brought them 2 years ago and the l LOT Number refer to that year the memory produced,cost me a total of 1200RMB to buy it. If you find some sticks that too cheap(not over 50RMB),it probably may be: 1.fake 2.second handed 3.amd chipsets only
@@MatthiasWelwarsky Given the fact that China will say "tested and working" or "new" on basically anything under the sun and there's a literal fuck ton of videos/comments all over the web of clearly used hardware falsely advertised as "new" or "tested and working" I'd say people have a reason to be a bit suspicious when ordering something over a decade old from China under the pretense of it being "new." I mean people get "Microsoft Authorized Tech Representative" phone calls from someone named Dan Johnson yet the caller has an indian accent so thick you can smell the curry on his breath so I'd be inclined to not believe that one as legit either but that's just my two cents...
Oh, also, the Dell C510/C610 is one of my favorite laptops of all time. Super easy to work on, very modular, and so many options! I loved the dual battery bay/optical/floppy choices. I could take one apart and put it back together in under 30 minutes! I swear, those things got me thru a few years without a desktop... I had gotten about a dozen broken ones from my high school, and was able to recover enough working parts to build 3 full laptops. I kept swapping parts until I ended up with the husk of one, no keyboard or casings or covers or batteries, just acting like a desktop. Times were hard. Thankfully now I have a shiny hodgepodge of modern parts.
You have to be more specific. "Celeron M" was used on many different chips which aren't all SSE3/NX capable just like "Core i7". You can check the processor number at ark.intel.com But if the machine came out before 2007, chances are low. Oh and by the way, you can install windows 10 on any PC, but it may not boot. EDIT: Nevermind, he explains it at the end.
I really like the concept of installing a os on a unsupported device, I would love to see you doing the reverse tough, installing older versions of windows on newer cpus like 7gen up that would be cool, but I guess it would be a lot more expensive to buy newer hardware
@@antonio1681 And that would be the equivalent of taking out the old laptop's motherboard and CPU and upgrading with a new one.Which, unfortunately on laptops, is impossible, because you would also have to change the screen and the keyboard, by which time you would have paid the cost of a new laptop, which you would have merely stuffed in an old shell, so it would make no sense whatsoever.
@@michaelroberts1120 Some modules CAN fit and many build Frankenpads (T60/T61 mods) to have an older / retro look and better specs than the oldest one. It's more like passion, makeup and beauty than sense. Recently I discovered something with 2 Dell laptops where 3-4 generations can exchange parts on some level.
LueLou accept you’ve got to spin the torque converter up fast enough to pump fluid through the trans cooler wich it’d need and old standard transmissions worked in more or less the same way they do today, and it is very different than automatics with their planetary gears and drums
The hardware is from the bad old days when Windows needed a lot of special driver support from the manufacturers, especially laptops. There were a lot of "standards" like PnP that were in flux and hardware makers were not really doing a good job of making sure they complied. Sony was a huge offender in this regard, relying instead on their in-house devs to write custom drivers for Windows, as they always sold their laptops pre-installed with Windows. I remember wiping a Sony I had that required me to go to the Sony support site and download all kinds of drivers and custom install crap to get Windows to install. Same with Thinkpads, though not quite as bad in most cases.
It's not just Sony (the one and only). They all to some degree force you to download drivers and updates for the machine to work correctly. They could, Apple style, just use vanilla hardware on everything so all your drivers from manufacturers are included. But they don't. People want improved performance, hardware manufacturers want fame and glory so they tweak stuff. You're always better off to skip windows drivers and install from the motherboard manufacturer or chip manufacturer. Using windows drivers is a last resort thing.
I had two Celeron´s, 1,7ghz then 2,6ghz, they were decent, because i had 1gb of ram. The ram made the huge difference on these systems. It was ok to surf and download movies in minecraft format with 2 or 3 subtitles. Oh boy i will never forget the greatest idea of all time, i tried to download from kazaa and edonkey all no cd cracks i could find. One week later i installed for the first time in my life an anti virus program, Avira found over 12 000 viruses. Celeron´s was the VW of cpu hardware, it did job for the budget.
I have a Compaq v2000 that would throttle back the CPU core speed on anything less than 2GB RAM when using XP or 7. Oh and despite it not being compatible it runs better on win 7 then it did on XP
osp80 The V2000 had the same when it was new, I upgraded it to 2GB due to the speed issue and because it was using up the battery inside 45 mins, as it was using the swap file virtually continuity.
For a light weight installation that works well with older PCs, installing Windows 10 LTSB usually works well with older PCs due to its smaller profile
@@R4Y_TWO 1. It's an unknown TH-camr. Credit instantly vanished. 2. Ltsb does work on older hardware compared to regular win10. 3. No one cares about your opinion.
windows 10 enterprise IOT ltsc is cool, don't know if the performance is better but it has like, zero UWP on startup and you get an graphical shell like normals windows or you pick the right version
I've been building/repairing/upgrading PC's since the IBM XP and AT computers... And I can verify from my own experience that the best way to turn an older working PC into a boat anchor is to try and upgrade it to the next operating system. Every "easy" OS upgrade I was ever involved in left me with a pile of cards and parts left over that the upgraded OS didn't have drivers for, assuming that the motherboard and CPU tolerated the upgrade. Secondly... every upgrade always required more memory than the previous operating system used to do nearly anything. Half the time the new OS ran at half speed on the old hardware, even with twice the memory. For example, I upgraded a Dos PC up through Windows 2000 and all it took was 3 motherboards w cpu's about a dozen memory modules 1 add on HD controller board 3 video cards 1 power supply after the original fried out 2 optical drives 1 updated sound card 4 network cards 5 HDDs 3 sets of network cables Not to mention 4 OS install sets... And I'm sure I missed something... So why do it? Because I couldn't get the funding for a new PC for my desk, but I could order parts... So it was easier to just upgrade than order a new PC... But in any real world, I spent more time and lost more hair doing OS upgrades for my PC and various other PC's around the office than it was ever worth aside from the learning experience. And I'm not even going to go into the software that breaks when you upgrade a PC, nor the strange intermittent glitches that upgraded PC's are prone to... If you have a PC that works well, never upgrade the OS, if you know what's good for you.
Maybe. I prefer an IBM AT 8Mhz myself. You could do Realsound emulation in 1990 to simulate sound channels. Might work with an IBM XT at 6Mhz, but probably too slow. I bet sure as shit that the op has no idea what we are even talking about because he was in diapers before getting into computers in the late 80's and early 90's. Onto this "pentium II" bullshit and you could hope he had heard of a 386 or 486 at that time, but NAH!
That last computer not installing Win 10 was odd. I installed 10 on a T43p just fine, no hacks involved. Edit: Turns out the oldest ThinkPad that you can install Win 10 on is the T43.
I have a Lenovo 3000 C200 from 2006, which was very closely related to the thinkpads. It has a celeron m430 at 1.73Ghz, 512 MB DDR2 667MHz RAM, GMA 950 integrated graphics. I kid you not in one go, it successfully installed Windows 10 flawlessly and was running it natively. Needless to slay I was a very sluggish experience but it was running natively! PS-great video!
I think it wouldn't, "new" software can handle old hardware, old software need patches and tricks in order to run on new hardware, many companies use virtual machines to run some old services not supported by recent versions of Windows that only a virtualized Windows XP can handle
Unless you have less than 1GB of RAM (realistically about 768MB) it won't natively boot so you have to limit the RAM to 1GB and mess with VCache to get it to boot. There are third party hacks to get it to work better but you're still limited by driver support.
These older OSs run super fast on the newer machines. However they get security issues ending up in highly vulnerable situations. I hope MS keeps these (98, XP) cores with upgraded security patches so that such an OS will be fast, secure and stable.
Windows 8.1 iso's are easy to find. Windows 8 iso's are not, they are 2 different things. I could use a rude rebuttal about your father doing something to a potted plant but out of respect for this channel I won't.
@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Can you prove your claim? I sure can mine. Look at the Windows NT version of Vista (6.0) and 7 (6.1). Windows 7 is quite literally just a "Service Pack 3", or "Rename update", or "DLC to Vista", if you will.
Commenters, please watch the video before making comments - he specifically covers many of your complaints in the video. PAE, SSE2/3, NX? Yeah, he covers all that. Boot from USB flash drive? Yeah, he covers that.
32-bit versions of Windows 10 will load on BIOS systems. I know that even as late as Windows 8, you could load the 64-bit version on non-EFI-boot systems. Not sure about W10.
The oldest computer I've gotten Windows 10 to run on is a 2006 Dell Latitude, don't remember specifics but I used it heavily from 2015-2019. I don't remember having to do anything weird or hacky with it, so it must have just been barely on the edge of bare minimum spec. Ran like a champ too, I replaced the HDD with an SSD and upgraded the RAM and that thing was plenty speedy.
I got windows 10 to run on a Dell Latitude D610 from 2004. It’s build 1709 of windows 10 so it doesn’t do much but even better is it can’t update past the anniversary update. Worst part is that it lacks a proper display driver so if the screen turns off it will stay off.
Yeah from my experience Windows 10 is kind of crap on really low in machines I have a laptop with an intel atom and 4 gigs of RAM and it runs like crap with Windows 10. However my i5 7500 GTX 1060 ssd desktop runs Windows 10 flawlessly. I think that most people have issues with Windows 10 because they try to run it on $200 laptops.
Netbooks like the EeePC where never meant to be laptops, Colin. They where meant to be internet devices that only needed minimal, cheap hardware but so many people couldn’t grasp the concept and demanded Windows on them that they very quickly ramped up in power but also ramped up in price, much to the chagrin of those of us who actually wanted cheap internet devices and not inconveniently mini laptops.
Lassi Kinnunen in context a laptop is a full desktop PC with a large storage device intended to run productivity software, full games, store and playback music, documents and movies & everything else a PC does. An internet device is (or was) just intended to browse web pages, read emails & open basic attachments and use instant messaging on a larger screen than your phone can provide & netbooks added a physical keyboard to that. You have to understand that at the time smartphones very limited and not the universal norm, so a small, cheap device that didn’t need a lot of storage, or the hardware to run serious games, CAD software etc, etc and as a result offered much longer battery life than a laptop could was very useful at the time.
They were badly built. Such devices with such bad hardware were faded to be useless (even for web) after like a year or two... They were a big scam from the enterprises... Many of them even dont have a decent build quality...
Well I mean was it that people couldn't grasp the concept or was it just that it was a dud idea and people just didn't want it / Wanted something with Windows since Windows is what most people know and use. Exactly why chromebooks aren't super widespread and popular as well.
What I do with a raft of unknown windows devices is boot a Linux mint usb or cd, get hardinfo, see what the devices are and get basic drivers for them. It usually works. You may have to force windows to accept the driver.
I really enjoyed this video. I was really hoping to see windows 10 run on those laptops, but it was fun watching. And you actually got it working on another laptop. Pretty cool.
@@maxi_vwpolo Even the later models that had swappable storage were a pain in the ass, because the modules _looked like_ mSATA but they weren't.They were actually a proprietary IDE SSD on a miniPCIe connector kind of deal, and replacements for that were super expensive (since it's non-standard) and quite frankly, shit. By the time Asus had figured out how to build decent netbooks (1000H, 1005HA), the whole netbook craze had already died down as people realized how uselessly slow these things actually were...
eh wrong child most did only a couple of them did not and those that had l2 cache ran circles around the pentiums but if it has no cache then it just makes it more interesting if it does not have cache it's an os not a game🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Regarding the P4 CPU thing. The P4 was a marketing tool in the midst of the Hz wars. The P4 managed to hit some seriously high clock speeds, but the real life experience was poor. Long story short, Intel used a lot of clever techniques (such as branch prediction) to improve matters. Then the focus of the PR shifted from Hertz to Watts. Energy efficiency was now important. Intel went back to the P3 architecture, but retrofitted all the clever stuff they needed to make the P4 usable. The result? The amazing Core architecture. Very efficient and incredibly real-world quick.
Always the extreme 'life support' measures to use these ancient machines. Amazing. Even if it does work it will take forever to do even the most basic function.
People used to complain about Vista but after my old PC's floppy died, there was no way to install the sata drivers. Even slipstreaming didn't work for me. My only choice was to install Vista and it was fine. The only fix I had to do was prevent Vista from installing the onboard nVidia audio drivers. That caused a bluescreen. Installed some drivers that avoided that chip. It was a far better experience than XP in my opinion.
many would call your last sentence BLASPHEMY, but honestly I grew up with Vista SP1 and I didn't experience a single bluescreen note: I only really looked stuff up online watched videos or played games on its 3 GB of RAM and Celeron 900M 2.2 GHz it was a Compaq Presario CQ60 also I feel robbed that it doesn't have the AMD dual-core of similar clock speed that could also be inside the system
I ran into the same issue when I was trying to install Windows 8 on an old Sony Vaio laptop about 7 or 8 years ago when I was 11 years old and had nothing better to do. The system had an Intel Pentium single core 1.7 Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM, and an 80GB hard drive. It came with Windows XP, but it ran Windows 7 32 bit just fine. I couldn't get Windows 8 to install for the same reasons though. I tried all the workarounds I could find, but nothing worked.
meanwhile that time my brother updated the old win 7 pc to win 8 so i cant play games since theres no updated driver, that shit cant even play gba games perfectly
Yeah there were probably a myriad of factors preventing your install: Onboard gfx for a Celeron was probably not capable of loading the gfx system needed to run the basic Windows environment. If I am not mistaken it was around this time period that Microsoft moved away from text based install or base level operating and required graphics rendering ability from initial install. I remember a few people being upset because now all PC's had to have a gpu to even install the OS, something which wasn't required previously. And your assessment of Celerons being "just as good" as their Pentium is a simplification of that issue. Yes, you could overclock a Celeron and have a faster clock speed cpu than a Pentium equivalent, But Celoron lacked hyperthreading and SSE which had an immense impact on performance as most software was requiring those instruction sets and pipelines. So the truth is only in very narrow uses would an overclock Celeron actually be consistently better than a Pentium of equal power for most users at the time. Probably another factor in why the Thinkpad has issues with Windows 7.
If I remember right, it's not too hard to hack in custom display modes into display drivers. I think it's just a matter of adding a few lines to an .inf file for the custom resolution you want.
Would it even improve anything to put Windows 10 on a old laptop? I have a Dell laptop a got new in 2002 and haven’t used it in last 6 years it has Windows XP
Windows 2000 would run great on that Thinkpad. Win2k can even run XP programs with a little hacking. The perfect OS for it would be "Haiku" it's a very lightweight and fast OS. It's is still in beta, but development has increased rapidly and a Stable release is not many years away at this pace.
SSE2, but close enough. But yeah, bypassing something like SSE2 checks may mean that the CPU tries to run instructions that aren't there. When Windows 10 came out, SSE2 was in many CPUs, many 10 years before Windows 10 was released. SSE2 is in every x64-capable CPU. If a CPU receives instructions it doesn't know how to execute, it does um.... well... basically undefined behavior. If it does nothing, then some non-SSE2 code that's waiting on a result from SSE2 code will think "wtf man? Where's my data?" I think one aspect of the SSE2 requirement is that all floating-point math gets computed via SSE2 on Windows 10. Any floating point (decimal) number then can potentially crash whatever is being run Some systems require CPU features like PAE to be enabled in the BIOS. I know it's this way with virtualization. Some PC vendors put in no way of enabling these features.
Right when Microsoft was pushing free upgrades of Windows 10, I experimented with this quite a bit. I tried every trick I could up through a Pentium 4 with no success. But I did have a Dell Latitude with a Dothan processor, and the Win X pushed without any issues, but that machine was LIMITED to only using the generic display driver, never found a way around that.
You might not have the patience to work in IT, then. Working on servers is just a masterclass in patience, since they can take anywhere from 2 to 30 minutes just to boot, depending on whether they need to perform memory checks and how many HBAs or NICs they have installed that they need to load the BIOS for and scan for bootable devices. I've spent entire work days where I've had OS installations running on machines while I worked on other things just because of crap like this. And you'd better pray to whatever deity you regard as holy if you're working on older IBM power systems, HP UX, or Solaris machines. They're incredibly annoying to install and configure operating systems on and the older IBM systems never seem to install AIX the same each time. I have, however, gotten at least passably good at navigating my way around AIX because of this.
I have a Dell GT260 that I installed Win98 on it is a 2003 computer. Fine with 1Gb RAM, not with 2Gb that I use with XP. I have the screen in VGA as no drivers for the dual monitor card I have inside. NT4 is okay.
I still have a celeron and use it. It is a Intel Celeron J1800 With 4 GB Ram, and 500 GB hard drive space. It is outdated, and i have had it for over 3 years. It originally came with windows 8, but i did a free windows 10 upgrade in 2015, and i use it actively to this day, only had to format it once, due to malware and constant blue screening, but it still works, but it could be better
Some people don't understand what old means. Celeron J1800 is from 2013, which is...pretty new. It is from the same era as Ivy Bridge and 3770K is not slow by any means even today. Very old CPUs are Pentium II, III, AMD K6. Old CPUs are Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Pentium 4. Old-ish CPUs are Core 2 Duos, like the E6300, and that still runs windows 10 like a champ. I myself have a core2duo T9600 elitebook and it runs windows 10 great with an ssd.
Windows 10 will, technically, run on a Pentium II, though it will be unusable, due to all the background processes that will instantly cripple it. There may be other system architecture problems, but the core issue is, that PC100 ram. It will run probably run Linux, but XP is the optimal OS for this system... and, if not for the lack of multicore support and serious security issues, I would still be using XP today. Cortana is malware.
But the Celeron’s cache was full speed. The P2’s cache ran at half the CPU speed. And the Celeron’s cache was much lower latency. In actual everyday use, a P2 of equal speed to a Celeron tended to be about equal. Mobile was even closer, since the early mobile P2 had only half the L2 cache of the desktop P2, so only double the cache of a Celeron rather than 4x. The later mobile P2s (100MHz bus) were better, since their L2 cache was full-speed (indeed, the later mobile P2 was based on the Celeron core, with more L2, rather than based on the desktop P2 with separate cache.)
Yup, the 300A Celeron was famous because it used the same basic core as the Pentium 2 450 MHz, but with onboard full-speed L2 cache instead of the off-package 1/2 speed. Because it was the same basic core as the P2/450, it could easily OC to that. And because its official bus speed was 66 MHz, and the P2/450's bus speed was 100 MHz, you could go from 300 to 450 by merely bumping the bus speed - no multiplier change needed.
Speaking of Celeron overclocking. This machine is from the era where the early Celerons came to the market. With models such as the 266, 300, and 333, but also the legendary C300A that could overclock way above double it's base clockspeed. The thing with the Celerons was that though the cache was half or even a quarter of the size that the Pentiums used, it ran at full speed. So in many cases, an overclocked Celeron 300A could be on par with or even beat out a similarly clocked Pentium II
A long story below, but you might have flashbacks... I had a lot of fun overclocking 300A's, but it was very rare to get them over 550MHz or so. I'd buy them in full cartons lots (AU $250 each), clock them all and choose the best one. Then sell the rest of the off as "overclock checked" with specs of MHz and Voltage for $250 (same price). They were easy to sell because people weren't taking a risk. Occasionally you'd get one that couldn't crack 450MHz which was the standard step from 4.5 x 66MHz FSB to 4.5 x 100 MHz FSB, and that meant running a weird FSB like 75 or 83 MHz with all manner of drama of the ISA and AGP. Unlike the AMDs, the Intel chips of that time were Multiplier locked. ... After doing testing, lapping, swapping and selling many times I ended up with my best Malay Retail chip, which I still own! It did 504MHz (4.5 x 112) at well under 2.0V (stock) however I kept bashing up against the CPU Clock and Multiplier/Divider steps that were a limitation in the old MoBos like my Abit BH6. My next step was 4.5 x 124 = 558 MHz which it could handle but needed a voltage boost, plus my PC100 RAM (and controller) was not coping with the 24% overclock. I could change timings and get it stable but it was unhappy in summer, so I just ran it 24/7 for about 3 years at a rock-solid 512MHz. ... I was there right at the beginning, and it took a lot of skill and luck to get good results reliably (for a daily driver machine). After that crazy time, the motherboards improved significantly first with 1MHz FSB steps (eg Abit BF6) and then more control over the various dividers, memory speeds, etc. Now days, overclocking is so damn easy it's ridiculous! ... I kept my Slot 1 300A as my main machine for a long time, it never died but eventually wasn't fast enough. The next upgrade was a AMD Athlon XP1800+ (Barton) and various Socket 478 P4s (so many variants!), but the next huge jump forward was when the Core2Duos came out. Note that the first (Slot 1) 300A is a different CPU from the earlier Celerons, and heaps different from the Celeron Mobile CPUs.
I believe I had that more recent ThinkPad model back in the day! I didn't bother to upgrade it from XP, as I got a new computer with Vista. Also, I'm impressed that Windows 10 runs on that last computer, given that Asus didn't even bother shipping it with the then-current version of Windows (Vista).
I live in the Twin Cities area, too. I honestly had never heard of Free Geek until seeing this particular video from Colin. I'm a bit embarrassed since I have been a self-proclaimed 'geek' since 1994. Definitely going to go check it out, today.
I was bummed when I tried to install Windows 8.1 on a Socket 939 Athlon X2 machine and found out it was incompatible. The AM2s work, just not 939. On the other hand, I've been able to run Win10 on Presler Pentium D (and Prescott-2M) machines just fine.
Same. Sadly the Athlon X2 on Socket 939 does not support CMPXCHG16b which Windows 8 and 10 needs. Apparently, it works with 32-bit version of Windows 10. But I never tried.
Huh? I actually installed Windows 10 on a Socket 754 Sempron before. I mean, I had to use the 32-bit version, but I figured the 64-bit version just didn't run because those Semprons actually had the 64-bit extensions disabled.
@NEX H5: Doesn't matter, even if the 64-bit was enabled on those chip, you would have missed CMPXCHG16b. AMD added it on Socket AM2 CPUs. So you would have not been able to install Windows 8 64-bit or 10 64-bit.
I still have my 12yo Thinpad X200 Tablet and it's working just fine! i upgraded the hard disk to a 200GB one, but i bring it to work at school every day, i had it as a kid and it's absolutley gorgeous
Those old laptops that can't do windows 8 or above, try installing a modern linux distribution on them and check out some of those distributions from distrowatch.com. There are a lot of distributions to choose from, but at least you can get an operating system that has less security holes but a lot of open source free software available to it and of course you can write your own software to it. Last, you can run raspberry pi software on those machines.
Just thought I'd point out, no, you CANNOT "run raspberry pi software on those machines". The RasPi uses an ARM processor with a completely different architecture and instruction set to x86. Yes, some of the software has been ported, but don't expect to be running raspbian or something...
I have run windows 10 on a cheap walmart netbook with 1gb of ram and it was useable, windows 10 has great backwards compatibility. Watch some of the software/hardware compatibility test videos. I have been surprised at the hardware that windows 10 has been installed on here. I have some very old computers around here to mess with.
By the way when I am talking old, like I still have a running pentium 75 tower. I'll never try running windows 10 on it because it was my wifes first computer and I just like to keep it like it is.
I got my acer ''netbook'' which is single core (1GHz) with 2GB of RAM and for watching movies and reading books it's just fine but browsing internet.. well yeah it's slow not to mention youtube vids. Anyway i bought this one year ago for approximately for 85 USD and it's still better than nowadays low-end netbooks with 32GB eMMC storage and better than those cheap tablets.
i had a similar pc that i got for christmas when i was about i wanna say 8 or 9??? it was p neat to have a lil computer for myself, even though i couldnt run one of my favorite games on it (had to downgrade it from 2.5 to 1) used it for about three years until i got a slightly better pc in 2015 not much of a change except going from xp to 7 and 800x600 to 1024x768, but at least that one was free!
TPLink makes a portable Ethernet bridge that can be powered from USB, and it supports WPA2, it's great for systems that cannot use WPA2. There are also patches for some models of think pads that remove the whitelist of ethernet cards for the system, so it might be also possible to just replace the internal one. www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R51
I had my IBM T43 with 2gigs Ram running Windows 7 w/ limited graphics for years. I currently switched it to run linux as I wanted to play around abit in that environment. I figure the reason for not getting Win7 PE is that Win7 is content rich. The Processor requirements has a higher clocking speed if I recall correctly as well as Ram. It has been a few years since I installed the OS and therefore cannot speak to what the requirements are. The IBM Exxx model he used in the beginning was far underpowered to handle win7. I think XP or even vista would be pushing it to the limits.
BrickFur Hanging No it’s not possible to do it on Pentium 2 not even on Pentium 3! In fact, it took someone 3 attempts to install Windows 10 on Pentium 4 because it said your computer need a to restart. But it works on a 2000-2001 computer on the bright side! I have Windows Vista Dell upgraded to Windows 10.
According to my research (via trial and error lol): It turns out that the oldest processor that can support Windows 10 is the Intel Pentium M (Dothan), which was made in 2005. Anything older (Pentium 4 included) can only support up to Windows 7. Also, for you to enjoy Windows 10 on the Pentium M, you need to have a graphics card that has a Microsoft WDDM driver written for it (ATI Mobility Radeon, Nvidia GeForce Go, etc).
I have a 10 year old Toshiba which has a Pentium T3400, 4gb of ram (can run on 1gb) and I got that to run Windows 10 1903 which is the latest update which is insane for a 10-11 year old machine.
He does have a point...when I was in jr. high, my dad built a Pentium III 600MhZ for his personal home desktop, and for mine he bought a Carleton 400MHz because it was really the time period between when AMD K6-2 3D Now Technology had reached its highest point (550MHz), Pentium II’s were out of production, the AMD Athalon K7 hadn’t yet been released, so there was Pentium III’s and Celerons were all of a sudden in the mix, so I got the 400 MHz Celeron and I built it with an Asus Motherboard, Ram at that time wasn’t much, 1gb RAM was an astronomical pipe-dream at that time (like 1997 or 1998) I had a Voodoo 2 16MB Graphic Card (which I upgraded to a 1st gen ATi Radeon 128mb DDR Graphics card which was incredible, but buggy AF because it was a Prototype or Engineering one of the Electrical Engineers my dad worked with at the time had somehow ended up with & he was like a 60 year-old guy at the time and didn’t really have a use for a video card like that) , Sound Blaster 16, 10/100 local area network card, 56K 3COM modem which my father bought, took out to the parking lot of a Comp USA, switched the board inside the same plastic housing from US Robotics 28.8bps modem, screwed it back together, put it back into its box, took me by the hand back into the store, returned the 56K modem (with the 28.8 bps modems printed circuit board inside of it), got his money back and then explained to me “US Robotics sold me that 28.8 modem under the premise that it would be upgradable to 56K when the time came, then 3COM bought US Robotics, and it wasn’t ever upgradable, but the first batch of 3COM 56K modems we’re in the same white plastic case, so I took it upon myself to upgrade it myself... fast-forward to 2016, I met a woman with whom I fell in love (and vice-versa) the time came for our parents to meet...my dad an Electrical Engineer at the time for a company in Worcester, MA... her dad - Retired Electrical Engineer who worked for 3COM right at that time, so my dad tells her dad this story, and her dad started laughing his ass off, saying “that modem got sent back to us!! It got put on my bench!! Opened it up and said “this has a US Robotics marked circuitboard in it from a years before the marked manufacturing date on the sticker on the bottom of the modem!!” My original point being LOL, I overclocked the living F outta my 400MHz Celeron CPU I was running it at over 1 GHz
I'm banking on ReactOS to revive all my old hardware. Running windows software on older hardware without the drama of a microsoft oriented setup system, and with the fact that ReactOS has a lot different requirements (the project is aiming to support windows NT 5.1 hardware and work from there) while maintaining the cross compatibility for older hardware which will be so good for people like us; trying to keep using old hardware while running newer software.
This is Microsoft's Windows 7 system requirement: "If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor* 1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit) 16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit) DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver" So, the laptop's CPU isn't fast enough, not enough RAM (only 512MB), and the graphics card is probably not DX9 compatible.
If your ThinkPad has a USB port, you can boot the windows via USB. All you have to do is burn into a cd a boot manager, I used the PloP Boot Manager, then burn the Windows 10/7 .ISO into a usb (not just drag and drop the .ISO, you have to actually "burn" into the USB... It maaaaaaay work just dropping the .ISO file with the newer OS's... but if it doesn't, it's pretty easy finding a software to "burn" into usb isos). Then directly install from boot windows 10. I've did that to install windows XP without having to burn CDs.... Sure, It's USB 1.0 and takes forever, but works!
Rohan Ron_ON Nah... It really depends in what iso and os you want into it... Many bsds, linuxes and custom windows isos wont work into it. It needs to recognize the iso and its format, file system structure, so it may fail in many times. But it is good, not maybe the best
Pentium 4 was a mess. Intel hit the end of the line of adding more megahertz and adding pipeline length when the CPU was hot enough to melt steel beams. Overclocked Pentium 3s were a lot faster most of the time!
korza493 Did you try to format it? Maybe its installation was bloated, or corrupted. My old amd duron 1.2ghz only peaks 100% usage in xp if i am using a usb mouse, with ps/2 it dont do that, as usb demand some processing (yeah incredibly). I have a 3.0ghz precott p4, it is fine with linux, but was running windows 7, i just wanted to try a distro to see the support to the onboard chipset.
Eduardo Avila I know it wasn't a bad install. The CPU went into 4 different motherboards, several hard drives and a combination of different OSes. I think the biggest issue was I was stuck with Intel Integrated Graphics 2. It was the first CPU I ever bought and it was already ancient when I got it
Wow, that looks like an eeepc 701 netbook. I remember buying one of those back when I studied abroad. What you could do is that the motherboard is capable up to 1 GB of RAM, and upgrading that to reduce that amount of page file use on the SDCard. Good luck getting the wifi card working if you decide to continue to play around with that setup, installing anything but the original image drivers for Windows XP (linux, etc) will probably not work. If this indeed is the 701, for some dumb reason, the chipset for the wifi is different than the normal 900 series of eeepcs. Asus dropped the ball here.
Yeah works fine on XP but windows 10 is never gonna happen. My school had an eee PC box (eee PC motherboard in a little desktop case) up until reacently as one of the libarary computers with windows 10 and it was a mess. No drivers. Incredibly slow to the point of that it boggles the mind. Interesting from a compatability perspective though.
I can tell why the first machine didn't want to boot it's because of the 800x600 screen so if you can get an equivalent panel but with a at least 1024x768 screen you should be able to get Windows 7 running
They take a surprising amount of time to put together -- the editing turns into an absolute grind. But yeah, I'll keep doing longer episodes as the subject warrants.
These changes in CPU feature requirements are not much more than checking a compiler flag. Microsoft is just abusing them for aritifially limiting the bandwidth of hardware that Windows i supposed to run on for making support easier and pleasing hardware industry.
A Pentium II is more suited for Windows 2000 at best. I don’t recommend XP on anything less than a P III from personal experience, let alone anything newer.
Typing this on my iPad, I am seldom on Windows much anymore either. The assumption in my post was that some form of Windows was intended, so feel free to install a lightweight Linux, or even plain old DOS if preferred. Or even multi-boot several OSes as I often do, if you have the space.
i had XP Pro on a Pentium 3 runs a tad slow but download is good for movies too and watch em with VLC , forget about streaming stuff from the internet though and Facebook
Not only does Microsoft require specific cpu capabilities over time, they have done it WITHIN releases of an OS. I got bit by this on windows 8 when they went to 8.1 and required CompareExchange128. Your only option was to downgrade from 64 to 32 bit or stay on 8. I want to say it was some kind of C2D chip but it was 8 years ago and my memory is fuzzy.
TiagoTiago This dose not work because you need 2x as much specs to run Windows on VM then running it natively. Only when running Linux on Linux via clock work mod software like test drive or Linux deploy will you need less than 2x the PC power.
that is factually incorrect modern virtualization only has a few percent of performance loss and some options have no measurable loss like Linux in a libvirt container..... in fact virtualization has such good performance i use a windows 10 vm for gaming by passing a second gfx card into a vm using intel vt-d
Yeah. Even assuming the old CPU we are talking about here supports the necessary virtualization extensions for running hardware based VMs(I can't be bothered to look it up and I don't think it does.), it wouldn't introduce any additional CPU-level functionality. You could run Linux/Old-Windows inside Linux/Old-Windows, but software that requires newer CPU extensions would not work. What you need here is emulation. You would need to emulate newer CPU instruction logic on an older CPU. It can be done, but with massive performance loss. It would be interesting to experiment with that though. Maybe I'll dust off one of my old laptops and run Linux with QEMU and see if I can run newer Windows versions inside it. As an aside, he hit the roadblock I expected him to hit from the start. Most "computer" people don't know about these lower level components and just think, Windows is windows, and a CPU is a CPU. When you spend all your time in the mainstream consumer x86/Windows world, those heuristic ways of thinking, which work there, lead to massive misunderstanding from a more computing-wide technical perspective. Most tech people aren't diving into the details of the lower-levels. It's why even specter and meltdown went under the radar for as long as they did. There aren't many people dealing down there on the bare CPU level.
I know it's old, but for future videos, make sure to get the device drivers for all integrated components. I did testing for those issues and came across hardware not working due to no software telling the computer how to use it.
I mean i grew up using a pentium 3/4... but that BIOS @7:15 really shows the age of that system, more than the hardware specs themselves. Nowadays a normal user has so much control over the behaviour of a system, it's incredible. This video is immensly fascinating, subbed!
*opens start menu*
CPU: 100% Usage
Memory: 100% Usage
Disk Activity: 0%
my actual cpu is 100%
because it’s designed for windows 7
@@ooferdooferbruh I miss windows 7, when I setup it using iso it won’t work :(
@@ooferdooferbruh That doesn't make much sense. Win10 has the same requirements as Win7. Maybe it's a program like an antivirus on it.
@@Go2L that piece of crap corrupts your passwords, making it to where you can't login.
Ctrl+alt+del
CPU:129%
Memory:199%
Fake not fake
no fucking no
199% of 30GB... nice try mate.
Ctrl+shift+esc
linux for coding！
My mom works in IT and she used to bring home these latitudes all the time, I remember the shell/formfactor. These were awesome with XP running. Great video dude!
i smell an atera ad
@australis I commented on the wrong video, I’m a system admin and I’ve been around PCs for 30 years, I know it’s a a thinkpad, ya twat.
@@zzylos What think?
lucky
Jesus Christ loves you
This guy: *bored and hurried* “I accept all your... whatever”
Bill Gates: “Behold! The ideal customer!”
Computer guys: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is magnetic hdd.
Me: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is os & drivers.
upgrading hardware must follow upgrading windows is nonsense..what i feel when win98 to winxp no difference speed/performance but when downgrad winxp to win98 i see performance & eficiency but bottlenecked by drivers & apps support.
@@MilkyWay-kz2yn nice profile picture you got there. 🤨
Yeah..nice
That's how you wind up in a human centipad
I miss when Bill Gates was Microsoft guy instead of omnicidal Bond villain
When he says that laptop has 160 MB of RAM, 20-year-old me's (from the mid-90's) voice in my head chimed in with "shit, that's a lot of memory" lol. :)
Present day me, having watched a history of Cyrix which talked about Pentium IIs as well last night, said that's a lot of ram for a Pentium II.
@@leylandlynxvlog I remember some of my friends and me, waiting for our lab session for programming ( we were doing a degree in computing in university). One guy says he's just bought a 40 mb hard drive. Someone else replies (his words, I'll never forget them): "40 meg? 40 MEG? FUCK ME?! You'll never fill that!!!!" This was 1995 IIRC. :)
I have 32gb of ddr4 2666mhzt ram, dam how technology has changed, I bet in 10/20 years 32gb will be laughable I bet machines will have around 200/300gb ram easily
@@seanmccafferty3189 I think you got your size or year wrong because 40MB in 1995 was very little. Quantum Fireball was a popular consumer range and they launched in 1995 with their 540 MB and 1.08 GB drives. year after with 640 MB and 1.28 GB. In 1990, 40mb was the smallest size I could get for the computer I bought then.
@@GeirEivindMork We may have had those sizes available in 1995, but as poor students then, we'd have been as likely to afford them as the average house at the time. My first, very basic, PC was an IBM PC/AT, which admittedly was 10 years old at the time of purchase in January 1995, had a whopping 10mb of hard drive storage, and was the type before IDE (I forget the name of it now). I upgraded it gradually, getting my hands on a 40mb IDE drive later that summer when I upgraded the motherboard also. I didn't get a 1.2gb drive until 1997, where I bought a stolen one from a friend who'd nicked it from his work, and it cost me £100 then, a fraction of what it would have cost otherwise.
No it doesnt. He tests a Celeron instead and that doesn't work so he tests a Pentium 3. That doesn't work so he tests another newer Celeron. That doesn't work so he tries another Celeron and it finally works.
Saved you 45 min :)
*YBN*
Who in the world are you talking to? This is TH-cam! For cryin' out loud, USE THE REPLY BUTTON UNDER SOMEONE'S POST IF YOU'RE REPLYING TO THEM!!!! Don't just post a whole new comment! STICK WITH THE THREAD THEY STARTED OR COMMENTED IN!!!
@@nakyer they're responding to the title lmao
@@dovesveins333
"No it doesn't" isn't a reply to the title.
@@nakyer Well ,it is pretty easy to figure out and it DID save me 45 minutes. Take your OCD or control mania somewhere else, ty
@@nakyer you're a loon
Return next week when he tries to install Mac OSX on a Commodore Vic 20.
Don't write that off so easily, there's probably a cartridge.
Return 2 weeks after trys to install Ubuntu on a Sega mega drive lol
lol i had one of those with Data Cassette
Walther Stolzing lol, with an 8 bit CPU
. lol so essentially all modern msOs derive from that pe platform? thats the security breach. ubuntu etc doesnt have that, right?
While the memory you purchased was probably salvaged, because of how memory is produced at the EOL there are always large stockpiles of unsold memory left to the manufacturer or OEMs. So despite not being produced in more than a decade, you can still fine brand new dimms
new old stock🤣
Unsealed old stock@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
That RAM might just be new old stock, could have a ton sitting in a warehouse in China that never sold before it became obsolete.
My thought exactly, there's a difference between newly produced, factory new and used. There are decades old computer parts or even computers that nobody ever used and are even sealed so it's technically brand new, even though it's painfully obsolete.
Rohan Ron_ON could you provide URL to this video?
Thanks!
I brought my new DDR 2 1066 2gb memory*4 from mircon's official taobao store.so think about it if still have brand new old tech memory being produced.
Edit: those ram I brought them 2 years ago and the l
LOT Number refer to that year the memory produced,cost me a total of 1200RMB to buy it.
If you find some sticks that too cheap(not over 50RMB),it probably may be:
1.fake
2.second handed
3.amd chipsets only
@@MatthiasWelwarsky Given the fact that China will say "tested and working" or "new" on basically anything under the sun and there's a literal fuck ton of videos/comments all over the web of clearly used hardware falsely advertised as "new" or "tested and working" I'd say people have a reason to be a bit suspicious when ordering something over a decade old from China under the pretense of it being "new." I mean people get "Microsoft Authorized Tech Representative" phone calls from someone named Dan Johnson yet the caller has an indian accent so thick you can smell the curry on his breath so I'd be inclined to not believe that one as legit either but that's just my two cents...
Oh, also, the Dell C510/C610 is one of my favorite laptops of all time. Super easy to work on, very modular, and so many options! I loved the dual battery bay/optical/floppy choices. I could take one apart and put it back together in under 30 minutes! I swear, those things got me thru a few years without a desktop... I had gotten about a dozen broken ones from my high school, and was able to recover enough working parts to build 3 full laptops. I kept swapping parts until I ended up with the husk of one, no keyboard or casings or covers or batteries, just acting like a desktop. Times were hard.
Thankfully now I have a shiny hodgepodge of modern parts.
I can take apart my 08 09 MacBooks and my Lenovo flex 4 14 in around 20 mins
@@coreybabcock2023 and hopefully put them back together again and still have them working :o)
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Celeron M?
You have to be more specific. "Celeron M" was used on many different chips which aren't all SSE3/NX capable just like "Core i7". You can check the processor number at ark.intel.com But if the machine came out before 2007, chances are low. Oh and by the way, you can install windows 10 on any PC, but it may not boot.
EDIT: Nevermind, he explains it at the end.
-Core Duo-
Try it on a core i9
Celeron D 331 yes
hmmmmmmmm...........................................
I really like the concept of installing a os on a unsupported device, I would love to see you doing the reverse tough, installing older versions of windows on newer cpus like 7gen up that would be cool, but I guess it would be a lot more expensive to buy newer hardware
The 7th gen cpu will just assign 800 MHz to such to save power and focus on video delivery.
imagine having a super powerful pc with an i7-7700k and 16gb ram with windows 98
that wont work for various reasons.
@@wm2008 I think the latest windows version i7-7700k supports is Windows 7
@@theotherdashmelted A i7-7700 will support XP x64, and even Server 2003 which is based on NT 4.0
Putting Windows 10 on such an old system is like trying to put an automatic transmission and power steering in a model T.
Easy, take out the engine no tough electrical things like new cars today
@@antonio1681 And that would be the equivalent of taking out the old laptop's motherboard and CPU and upgrading with a new one.Which, unfortunately on laptops, is impossible, because you would also have to change the screen and the keyboard, by which time you would have paid the cost of a new laptop, which you would have merely stuffed in an old shell, so it would make no sense whatsoever.
I love how guy tries to act like he knows cars
@@michaelroberts1120 Some modules CAN fit and many build Frankenpads (T60/T61 mods) to have an older / retro look and better specs than the oldest one. It's more like passion, makeup and beauty than sense. Recently I discovered something with 2 Dell laptops where 3-4 generations can exchange parts on some level.
LueLou accept you’ve got to spin the torque converter up fast enough to pump fluid through the trans cooler wich it’d need and old standard transmissions worked in more or less the same way they do today, and it is very different than automatics with their planetary gears and drums
31:00
There, saved you 2/3 of the video.
Finallly!!!!
hero
Looked for no GUI install for USB sticks. Thanks.
flyingtoasters thanks!!!! God bless people like you
I see you everywhere, changed fan
The hardware is from the bad old days when Windows needed a lot of special driver support from the manufacturers, especially laptops. There were a lot of "standards" like PnP that were in flux and hardware makers were not really doing a good job of making sure they complied. Sony was a huge offender in this regard, relying instead on their in-house devs to write custom drivers for Windows, as they always sold their laptops pre-installed with Windows. I remember wiping a Sony I had that required me to go to the Sony support site and download all kinds of drivers and custom install crap to get Windows to install. Same with Thinkpads, though not quite as bad in most cases.
It's not just Sony (the one and only). They all to some degree force you to download drivers and updates for the machine to work correctly. They could, Apple style, just use vanilla hardware on everything so all your drivers from manufacturers are included. But they don't. People want improved performance, hardware manufacturers want fame and glory so they tweak stuff. You're always better off to skip windows drivers and install from the motherboard manufacturer or chip manufacturer. Using windows drivers is a last resort thing.
"It was so advanced for the time they named it after a vegetable"
Ah, I see you're a fan of TH-camr Peter Knetter...
@@fairyball3929 Yup man of culture
Ha i watch peter knetter
Extremely underrated TH-camr. You earned my sub! Well done, impressed with the effort you put into this!
Yes! I just subbed too :D
Yes I agree was surprised when I saw he had 78000 subs. Always quality videos and I love hearing his thoughts.
78000 people is actually a pretty large number of people, when you think about it.
BowlUndrFire you you think of 500,000 it's seems like a lot more. 😉
Anesu C 😀 and his explanation is simple and he does no try to sale crap to us ( I tested all of his feed s and there work as shown in his video s
CD is limiting? I remember when CD meant very fast install times. My goodness.
You mean CD vs floppy installation?
Soon dvd will be limiting
helloguys it is already
@@SharkVaderYT Well yeah but do you see people putting their home movies on blu ray
It still is. The CD isn't what causes it to be slow. It's the hardware in the laptop
My Pentium 2 destroyed all my friends Celeron's in games. I hated Celeron's they were such garbage
I had two Celeron´s, 1,7ghz then 2,6ghz, they were decent, because i had 1gb of ram. The ram made the huge difference on these systems. It was ok to surf and download movies in minecraft format with 2 or 3 subtitles. Oh boy i will never forget the greatest idea of all time, i tried to download from kazaa and edonkey all no cd cracks i could find. One week later i installed for the first time in my life an anti virus program, Avira found over 12 000 viruses. Celeron´s was the VW of cpu hardware, it did job for the budget.
I had some kind of weird PC that had only one core and a stream processor frequency of 45 megahertz RAM 8 bits
i have a celeron and a 2014 pentium 3 is better i hate it so much
Cool
@@egykilenckilenchet i still use a celeron,it has like 1 core lmaoooo
16:47 Thats IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL
"Can you install Windows 10 on a Pentium II?"
The channel name: "no"
Lmao best comment ever
Baldi is that you 1 + 5 = 6
@@kaiburrito6216 15"
@@kaiburrito6216 true
*no*
The Windows 7 installation says it needs 512 MB RAM, yet the minimum system requirements say 1GB. This is why you can't trust system requirements.
That's Windows Vista, not Windows 7
Щас бы на 128 мб ставить Windows 7 + говорить с англоговорящими ребятами на русском
I have a Compaq v2000 that would throttle back the CPU core speed on anything less than 2GB RAM when using XP or 7. Oh and despite it not being compatible it runs better on win 7 then it did on XP
osp80 The V2000 had the same when it was new, I upgraded it to 2GB due to the speed issue and because it was using up the battery inside 45 mins, as it was using the swap file virtually continuity.
That's actually the recommended requirements. Bare minimum is 512MB for 32-bit and 1GB for 64-bit. But it's almost unusable.
For a light weight installation that works well with older PCs, installing Windows 10 LTSB usually works well with older PCs due to its smaller profile
False, Regular Windows 10 and LTSC have NO DIFFERENCE in performance
Baboo (a brazilian windows youtuber) made a video comparing them on real hardware
@@R4Y_TWO and you are taking a single, unknown youtuber as a matter of fact? thank you for your time
@@R4Y_TWO 1. It's an unknown TH-camr. Credit instantly vanished. 2. Ltsb does work on older hardware compared to regular win10. 3. No one cares about your opinion.
windows 10 enterprise IOT ltsc is cool, don't know if the performance is better but it has like, zero UWP on startup and you get an graphical shell like normals windows or you pick the right version
I've been building/repairing/upgrading PC's since the IBM XP and AT computers... And I can verify from my own experience that the best way to turn an older working PC into a boat anchor is to try and upgrade it to the next operating system. Every "easy" OS upgrade I was ever involved in left me with a pile of cards and parts left over that the upgraded OS didn't have drivers for, assuming that the motherboard and CPU tolerated the upgrade.
Secondly... every upgrade always required more memory than the previous operating system used to do nearly anything. Half the time the new OS ran at half speed on the old hardware, even with twice the memory.
For example, I upgraded a Dos PC up through Windows 2000 and all it took was
3 motherboards w cpu's
about a dozen memory modules
1 add on HD controller board
3 video cards
1 power supply after the original fried out
2 optical drives
1 updated sound card
4 network cards
5 HDDs
3 sets of network cables
Not to mention 4 OS install sets...
And I'm sure I missed something...
So why do it? Because I couldn't get the funding for a new PC for my desk, but I could order parts... So it was easier to just upgrade than order a new PC... But in any real world, I spent more time and lost more hair doing OS upgrades for my PC and various other PC's around the office than it was ever worth aside from the learning experience.
And I'm not even going to go into the software that breaks when you upgrade a PC, nor the strange intermittent glitches that upgraded PC's are prone to...
If you have a PC that works well, never upgrade the OS, if you know what's good for you.
Take the GNU/Linux pill
@@sakesaurus no
Maybe. I prefer an IBM AT 8Mhz myself. You could do Realsound emulation in 1990 to simulate sound channels. Might work with an IBM XT at 6Mhz, but probably too slow.
I bet sure as shit that the op has no idea what we are even talking about because he was in diapers before getting into computers in the late 80's and early 90's. Onto this "pentium II" bullshit and you could hope he had heard of a 386 or 486 at that time, but NAH!
That last computer not installing Win 10 was odd. I installed 10 on a T43p just fine, no hacks involved.
Edit: Turns out the oldest ThinkPad that you can install Win 10 on is the T43.
Make a video of it
I have a T-400 and it occasionally looses video on screen
Was it lagging?
It is lagging on my 5 year old laptop...
Should I get it checked out or something...
@@anomaly9156 Reinstall the OS maybe
Damn, I only have a T42
Nostalgia hardware porn my favourite
What the f...
Wtf XD
This comment is completely normal
Foxy cat lover 2 brewer You don’t need to know
@Foxy cat lover 2 brewer just don't because you might get addicted, we will tell you when your like 18+ above...
Do a video about the strange underground Windows 2000 mod community. They've made major compatibility enhancements and even entire service packs.
CKT1138 I think I've seen a video of someone installed XP software on a win 2000 pc before.
Bump; highly interested
that sounds incredible
CKT1138
I miss that era! (Windows 2000 is just a updated version of Windows 95/98)
I have a Lenovo 3000 C200 from 2006, which was very closely related to the thinkpads.
It has a celeron m430 at 1.73Ghz, 512 MB DDR2 667MHz RAM, GMA 950 integrated graphics.
I kid you not in one go, it successfully installed Windows 10 flawlessly and was running it natively. Needless to slay I was a very sluggish experience but it was running natively!
PS-great video!
On those specs i'd be surprised if it didn't run
@@larsalfredhenrikstahlin8012 check out Austin evans old acer laptop video. The guy struggles on that machine, Sam spec as my old laptop😂😂
Windows 10 (and Windows 8.1) requires a CPU that supports the NX bit, which means a later Pentium 4, or an Athlon 64 or later.
Don't forget the special socket 478 ones too.
Lanturnlord The Core processors are what I think you're referring to, and they're newer than P4.
No I am talking about specific P4 socket 478 cpus
Unless you patch the kernel. It's not easy but if you're familiar with WinPE it's definitely doable.
Lanturnlord Which ones, specifically?
how about going the other way? how does Windows 98 run on a modern machine?
the old kernel will make the computer slow
Windows 95 will NOT run on modern machines without a patch (Amdk6upd.exe)
I think it wouldn't, "new" software can handle old hardware, old software need patches and tricks in order to run on new hardware, many companies use virtual machines to run some old services not supported by recent versions of Windows that only a virtualized Windows XP can handle
Unless you have less than 1GB of RAM (realistically about 768MB) it won't natively boot so you have to limit the RAM to 1GB and mess with VCache to get it to boot. There are third party hacks to get it to work better but you're still limited by driver support.
These older OSs run super fast on the newer machines. However they get security issues ending up in highly vulnerable situations. I hope MS keeps these (98, XP) cores with upgraded security patches so that such an OS will be fast, secure and stable.
There is a difference between windows 8 and windows 8.1. Windows 8 will work on older hardware. Good luck on finding a Windows 8 iso.
I have a 8 and 8.1 iso on my server if I ever need it...
It still supports mouse and keyboard as much as any other windows OS, it just doesn't have as many of the more keyboard/mouse optimized UI elements.
Windows 8/8.1 will not install on a AMD Athlon x64 +3800.
Microsoft has them all up for download going back to Windows 7
Windows 8.1 iso's are easy to find. Windows 8 iso's are not, they are 2 different things. I could use a rude rebuttal about your father doing something to a potted plant but out of respect for this channel I won't.
"We're gonna go one by one..."
Windows Vista gets skipped.
Vista: Am I a joke to you?
(...yes.)
Technically, no. It did not get skipped. Windows 7 is Windows Vista
@@board7374 no it isn't
@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Can you prove your claim? I sure can mine. Look at the Windows NT version of Vista (6.0) and 7 (6.1).
Windows 7 is quite literally just a "Service Pack 3", or "Rename update", or "DLC to Vista", if you will.
@@board7374 oh okay. My bad
6.1 is not equal to 6.0
Commenters, please watch the video before making comments - he specifically covers many of your complaints in the video.
PAE, SSE2/3, NX? Yeah, he covers all that.
Boot from USB flash drive? Yeah, he covers that.
I mean, I knew the answer from the start. I still decided to stick around to see what happens.
No. Did you try taking the battery out and turning it back on again? Could be a fuse.
he specifically asks us to tell him why it won't work "in the comments"
What about EFI? That alone would kill this whole idea.
32-bit versions of Windows 10 will load on BIOS systems. I know that even as late as Windows 8, you could load the 64-bit version on non-EFI-boot systems. Not sure about W10.
Most underrated channel on TH-cam this guy easily deserves a million of subscribers.
The oldest computer I've gotten Windows 10 to run on is a 2006 Dell Latitude, don't remember specifics but I used it heavily from 2015-2019. I don't remember having to do anything weird or hacky with it, so it must have just been barely on the edge of bare minimum spec. Ran like a champ too, I replaced the HDD with an SSD and upgraded the RAM and that thing was plenty speedy.
I got windows 10 to run on a Dell Latitude D610 from 2004. It’s build 1709 of windows 10 so it doesn’t do much but even better is it can’t update past the anniversary update. Worst part is that it lacks a proper display driver so if the screen turns off it will stay off.
Seeing windows 10 not quite run but at least "exist" using 512mb of ram makes me far more confident about a cheap build I'm about to do, great video!
I installed Win 10 on my Acer Aspire One Netbook but it ran so slow
I replaced it with Linux Mint.
Mint works great on the old netbooks
Lunix Mint is great
Yeah from my experience Windows 10 is kind of crap on really low in machines I have a laptop with an intel atom and 4 gigs of RAM and it runs like crap with Windows 10. However my i5 7500 GTX 1060 ssd desktop runs Windows 10 flawlessly. I think that most people have issues with Windows 10 because they try to run it on $200 laptops.
Ecorigon IV “really low in machines”. How about low-end users?
@@davidlp3019 I agree with you. :))
Netbooks like the EeePC where never meant to be laptops, Colin. They where meant to be internet devices that only needed minimal, cheap hardware but so many people couldn’t grasp the concept and demanded Windows on them that they very quickly ramped up in power but also ramped up in price, much to the chagrin of those of us who actually wanted cheap internet devices and not inconveniently mini laptops.
Lassi Kinnunen in context a laptop is a full desktop PC with a large storage device intended to run productivity software, full games, store and playback music, documents and movies & everything else a PC does. An internet device is (or was) just intended to browse web pages, read emails & open basic attachments and use instant messaging on a larger screen than your phone can provide & netbooks added a physical keyboard to that. You have to understand that at the time smartphones very limited and not the universal norm, so a small, cheap device that didn’t need a lot of storage, or the hardware to run serious games, CAD software etc, etc and as a result offered much longer battery life than a laptop could was very useful at the time.
Do you know the meaning of the word "where" ?
River Cress do you know how you look when you pick on someone who’s severely dyslexic?
They were badly built. Such devices with such bad hardware were faded to be useless (even for web) after like a year or two...
They were a big scam from the enterprises...
Many of them even dont have a decent build quality...
Well I mean was it that people couldn't grasp the concept or was it just that it was a dud idea and people just didn't want it / Wanted something with Windows since Windows is what most people know and use. Exactly why chromebooks aren't super widespread and popular as well.
I am sure that the device manager on Windows 10 will be full of unknown devices.
Those are from another planet devices for Windows 10.
What I do with a raft of unknown windows devices is boot a Linux mint usb or cd, get hardinfo, see what the devices are and get basic drivers for them. It usually works. You may have to force windows to accept the driver.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I really enjoyed this video. I was really hoping to see windows 10 run on those laptops, but it was fun watching. And you actually got it working on another laptop. Pretty cool.
Spoiler Alert
i have that exact eeepc. bought it on pre-order... was quickly letdown by the inability to expand storage... :/
you can swap out the hdd on the eeepc but the RAM is soldered to the mobo
no hdd in those machines. soldered ssd.. maybe he can swap out the wifi card for an msata ssd.
Some models had (like the 701sd) swappable msata ssd's.
@@maxi_vwpolo Even the later models that had swappable storage were a pain in the ass, because the modules _looked like_ mSATA but they weren't.They were actually a proprietary IDE SSD on a miniPCIe connector kind of deal, and replacements for that were super expensive (since it's non-standard) and quite frankly, shit. By the time Asus had figured out how to build decent netbooks (1000H, 1005HA), the whole netbook craze had already died down as people realized how uselessly slow these things actually were...
Those old first gen celerons had *no* L2 cache, which made a big impact on their performance, which is why intel made their later celerons with 128k.
eh wrong child most did only a couple of them did not and those that had l2 cache ran circles around the pentiums but if it has no cache then it just makes it more interesting if it does not have cache it's an os not a game🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Regarding the P4 CPU thing. The P4 was a marketing tool in the midst of the Hz wars. The P4 managed to hit some seriously high clock speeds, but the real life experience was poor. Long story short, Intel used a lot of clever techniques (such as branch prediction) to improve matters. Then the focus of the PR shifted from Hertz to Watts. Energy efficiency was now important. Intel went back to the P3 architecture, but retrofitted all the clever stuff they needed to make the P4 usable. The result? The amazing Core architecture. Very efficient and incredibly real-world quick.
Pentium 4s could go as high as 3.8Ghz, something no other processor has been able to do up till this day.
Always the extreme 'life support' measures to use these ancient machines. Amazing. Even if it does work it will take forever to do even the most basic function.
People used to complain about Vista but after my old PC's floppy died, there was no way to install the sata drivers. Even slipstreaming didn't work for me. My only choice was to install Vista and it was fine. The only fix I had to do was prevent Vista from installing the onboard nVidia audio drivers. That caused a bluescreen. Installed some drivers that avoided that chip. It was a far better experience than XP in my opinion.
many would call your last sentence BLASPHEMY, but honestly I grew up with Vista SP1 and I didn't experience a single bluescreen
note: I only really looked stuff up online watched videos or played games on its 3 GB of RAM and Celeron 900M 2.2 GHz it was a Compaq Presario CQ60 also I feel robbed that it doesn't have the AMD dual-core of similar clock speed that could also be inside the system
I ran into the same issue when I was trying to install Windows 8 on an old Sony Vaio laptop about 7 or 8 years ago when I was 11 years old and had nothing better to do. The system had an Intel Pentium single core 1.7 Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM, and an 80GB hard drive. It came with Windows XP, but it ran Windows 7 32 bit just fine. I couldn't get Windows 8 to install for the same reasons though. I tried all the workarounds I could find, but nothing worked.
meanwhile that time my brother updated the old win 7 pc to win 8 so i cant play games since theres no updated driver, that shit cant even play gba games perfectly
@@ronank2432 lmfao
Yeah there were probably a myriad of factors preventing your install:
Onboard gfx for a Celeron was probably not capable of loading the gfx system needed to run the basic Windows environment. If I am not mistaken it was around this time period that Microsoft moved away from text based install or base level operating and required graphics rendering ability from initial install. I remember a few people being upset because now all PC's had to have a gpu to even install the OS, something which wasn't required previously.
And your assessment of Celerons being "just as good" as their Pentium is a simplification of that issue. Yes, you could overclock a Celeron and have a faster clock speed cpu than a Pentium equivalent, But Celoron lacked hyperthreading and SSE which had an immense impact on performance as most software was requiring those instruction sets and pipelines. So the truth is only in very narrow uses would an overclock Celeron actually be consistently better than a Pentium of equal power for most users at the time.
Probably another factor in why the Thinkpad has issues with Windows 7.
If I remember right, it's not too hard to hack in custom display modes into display drivers. I think it's just a matter of adding a few lines to an .inf file for the custom resolution you want.
why can't he use the usb to install windows 10 a pentium 2 has usb port slow as they are they are still usb🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Because the BIOS can't boot from USB.
@@AngelaTheSephira oh common you can just flash a custom bios on that fixes that simple issue
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue LMAO no you can't
@@AngelaTheSephira yes you can just because your to stupid not to know how does not change the fact that it can be done🤣
"this machine is 10 years old" I think it's quite a bit older than that
Yes, that computer was about 20 years old when this video was uploaded
My computer is 22 years old
@@firepro1869 mine is 11 years old
Would it even improve anything to put Windows 10 on a old laptop? I have a Dell laptop a got new in 2002 and haven’t used it in last 6 years it has Windows XP
@@JasonLewis42 Can you give it me? I like collect old computer.
42:40 this pc runs gta 5 in 4k 60 fps
With redux mod too
it can run crysis at 4k with 120fps
With graphics of GTA 1
@@Rakanay_Official thanks
@@Rakanay_Official sub to me and then i gonna sub to you. sorry but i dont know to speak very good english
maybe when they say the ram is brand new is because it's never been used
Precisely. That is all that 'brand new' means.
Windows 2000 would run great on that Thinkpad. Win2k can even run XP programs with a little hacking. The perfect OS for it would be "Haiku" it's a very lightweight and fast OS. It's is still in beta, but development has increased rapidly and a Stable release is not many years away at this pace.
P2 don't even have VT-x… or SSE4…
Which is require for W10
And NX
Thank you for providing the correct answer. Saved me the whole video.
SSE2, but close enough.
But yeah, bypassing something like SSE2 checks may mean that the CPU tries to run instructions that aren't there. When Windows 10 came out, SSE2 was in many CPUs, many 10 years before Windows 10 was released. SSE2 is in every x64-capable CPU.
If a CPU receives instructions it doesn't know how to execute, it does um.... well... basically undefined behavior. If it does nothing, then some non-SSE2 code that's waiting on a result from SSE2 code will think "wtf man? Where's my data?" I think one aspect of the SSE2 requirement is that all floating-point math gets computed via SSE2 on Windows 10. Any floating point (decimal) number then can potentially crash whatever is being run
Some systems require CPU features like PAE to be enabled in the BIOS. I know it's this way with virtualization. Some PC vendors put in no way of enabling these features.
Vt x isn’t required
Just compile Windows 10 without those extensions and it'll boot. Oh wait...
Right when Microsoft was pushing free upgrades of Windows 10, I experimented with this quite a bit. I tried every trick I could up through a Pentium 4 with no success. But I did have a Dell Latitude with a Dothan processor, and the Win X pushed without any issues, but that machine was LIMITED to only using the generic display driver, never found a way around that.
Windows 10 only supports Desktop Window Manager which requires WDDM, may be why
you have soo much patience I couldn't spend that much time and be sooo calm with soo many failure o_0 good video by the way
You might not have the patience to work in IT, then. Working on servers is just a masterclass in patience, since they can take anywhere from 2 to 30 minutes just to boot, depending on whether they need to perform memory checks and how many HBAs or NICs they have installed that they need to load the BIOS for and scan for bootable devices. I've spent entire work days where I've had OS installations running on machines while I worked on other things just because of crap like this. And you'd better pray to whatever deity you regard as holy if you're working on older IBM power systems, HP UX, or Solaris machines. They're incredibly annoying to install and configure operating systems on and the older IBM systems never seem to install AIX the same each time. I have, however, gotten at least passably good at navigating my way around AIX because of this.
Short answer: probably yes but it will be slower than running minecraft with 10kb of ram
I mean, there is mc browser edition.
How far can you go in the other direction? What's the most recent computer you can find that will run for example Win98?
I have a Dell GT260 that I installed Win98 on it is a 2003 computer. Fine with 1Gb RAM, not with 2Gb that I use with XP. I have the screen in VGA as no drivers for the dual monitor card I have inside. NT4 is okay.
Extreme patient TH-camr . you got a new subscriber
Arch linux
I still have a celeron and use it. It is a Intel Celeron J1800
With 4 GB Ram, and 500 GB hard drive space. It is outdated, and i have had it for over 3 years. It originally came with windows 8, but i did a free windows 10 upgrade in 2015, and i use it actively to this day, only had to format it once, due to malware and constant blue screening, but it still works, but it could be better
Also, in my XP VM, i had to upgrade to vista before it let me upgrade to 7
Matthew Sabot disable the update reminders
Sean Walla Walla Install Linux. Try Mint 19.
Some people don't understand what old means. Celeron J1800 is from 2013, which is...pretty new. It is from the same era as Ivy Bridge and 3770K is not slow by any means even today. Very old CPUs are Pentium II, III, AMD K6. Old CPUs are Athlon XP, Athlon 64, Pentium 4. Old-ish CPUs are Core 2 Duos, like the E6300, and that still runs windows 10 like a champ. I myself have a core2duo T9600 elitebook and it runs windows 10 great with an ssd.
Celeron CPU in fact in that *era*there were very few differences between 0:56
Windows 10 will, technically, run on a Pentium II, though it will be unusable, due to all the background processes that will instantly cripple it. There may be other system architecture problems, but the core issue is, that PC100 ram. It will run probably run Linux, but XP is the optimal OS for this system... and, if not for the lack of multicore support and serious security issues, I would still be using XP today. Cortana is malware.
Theres actually a pretty big difference between pII and Celeron. Celeron has 1/4 the cache memory and that’s a huge performance hit
Matthew Denny 1/4th of cache yet still faster.
Celeron is not faster at the same clock speed. They were only faster because they can be clocked higher and that only applies to the desktop models.
But the Celeron’s cache was full speed. The P2’s cache ran at half the CPU speed. And the Celeron’s cache was much lower latency.
In actual everyday use, a P2 of equal speed to a Celeron tended to be about equal.
Mobile was even closer, since the early mobile P2 had only half the L2 cache of the desktop P2, so only double the cache of a Celeron rather than 4x.
The later mobile P2s (100MHz bus) were better, since their L2 cache was full-speed (indeed, the later mobile P2 was based on the Celeron core, with more L2, rather than based on the desktop P2 with separate cache.)
They were also child's play to overclock too. 300A Celeron easily running at 450mhz years ago. Many people went further.
Yup, the 300A Celeron was famous because it used the same basic core as the Pentium 2 450 MHz, but with onboard full-speed L2 cache instead of the off-package 1/2 speed. Because it was the same basic core as the P2/450, it could easily OC to that. And because its official bus speed was 66 MHz, and the P2/450's bus speed was 100 MHz, you could go from 300 to 450 by merely bumping the bus speed - no multiplier change needed.
Speaking of Celeron overclocking.
This machine is from the era where the early Celerons came to the market. With models such as the 266, 300, and 333, but also the legendary C300A that could overclock way above double it's base clockspeed. The thing with the Celerons was that though the cache was half or even a quarter of the size that the Pentiums used, it ran at full speed. So in many cases, an overclocked Celeron 300A could be on par with or even beat out a similarly clocked Pentium II
A long story below, but you might have flashbacks...
I had a lot of fun overclocking 300A's, but it was very rare to get them over 550MHz or so. I'd buy them in full cartons lots (AU $250 each), clock them all and choose the best one. Then sell the rest of the off as "overclock checked" with specs of MHz and Voltage for $250 (same price). They were easy to sell because people weren't taking a risk. Occasionally you'd get one that couldn't crack 450MHz which was the standard step from 4.5 x 66MHz FSB to 4.5 x 100 MHz FSB, and that meant running a weird FSB like 75 or 83 MHz with all manner of drama of the ISA and AGP. Unlike the AMDs, the Intel chips of that time were Multiplier locked.
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After doing testing, lapping, swapping and selling many times I ended up with my best Malay Retail chip, which I still own! It did 504MHz (4.5 x 112) at well under 2.0V (stock) however I kept bashing up against the CPU Clock and Multiplier/Divider steps that were a limitation in the old MoBos like my Abit BH6. My next step was 4.5 x 124 = 558 MHz which it could handle but needed a voltage boost, plus my PC100 RAM (and controller) was not coping with the 24% overclock. I could change timings and get it stable but it was unhappy in summer, so I just ran it 24/7 for about 3 years at a rock-solid 512MHz.
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I was there right at the beginning, and it took a lot of skill and luck to get good results reliably (for a daily driver machine). After that crazy time, the motherboards improved significantly first with 1MHz FSB steps (eg Abit BF6) and then more control over the various dividers, memory speeds, etc. Now days, overclocking is so damn easy it's ridiculous!
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I kept my Slot 1 300A as my main machine for a long time, it never died but eventually wasn't fast enough. The next upgrade was a AMD Athlon XP1800+ (Barton) and various Socket 478 P4s (so many variants!), but the next huge jump forward was when the Core2Duos came out.
Note that the first (Slot 1) 300A is a different CPU from the earlier Celerons, and heaps different from the Celeron Mobile CPUs.
I believe I had that more recent ThinkPad model back in the day! I didn't bother to upgrade it from XP, as I got a new computer with Vista. Also, I'm impressed that Windows 10 runs on that last computer, given that Asus didn't even bother shipping it with the then-current version of Windows (Vista).
Hey Collin! I live in the Minneapolis area, and volunteer at Free Geek Twin Cities every Saturday! I'd love to see you there someday if you could!
You dont know how lucky you are to have something like Free Geek to volunteer at in your country. So cool!
hahahah I live in MN too ITS FRECLEN COLD
Louis Weddall tell me more about free geek please? I'm in a close area! 😊
I live in the Twin Cities area, too. I honestly had never heard of Free Geek until seeing this particular video from Colin. I'm a bit embarrassed since I have been a self-proclaimed 'geek' since 1994. Definitely going to go check it out, today.
Is there a free geek in Seattle?
I was bummed when I tried to install Windows 8.1 on a Socket 939 Athlon X2 machine and found out it was incompatible. The AM2s work, just not 939. On the other hand, I've been able to run Win10 on Presler Pentium D (and Prescott-2M) machines just fine.
Same. Sadly the Athlon X2 on Socket 939 does not support CMPXCHG16b which Windows 8 and 10 needs. Apparently, it works with 32-bit version of Windows 10. But I never tried.
Huh? I actually installed Windows 10 on a Socket 754 Sempron before. I mean, I had to use the 32-bit version, but I figured the 64-bit version just didn't run because those Semprons actually had the 64-bit extensions disabled.
@NEX H5: Doesn't matter, even if the 64-bit was enabled on those chip, you would have missed CMPXCHG16b. AMD added it on Socket AM2 CPUs. So you would have not been able to install Windows 8 64-bit or 10 64-bit.
Cheers from a fellow Twin Cities nerd. This makes me want to fire up my old Thinkpad T-20.
I still have my 12yo Thinpad X200 Tablet and it's working just fine! i upgraded the hard disk to a 200GB one, but i bring it to work at school every day, i had it as a kid and it's absolutley gorgeous
[Spoiler] You can't. Microsoft just included checking of NX bit since win8 and BAM! No old CPU allowed!
Those old laptops that can't do windows 8 or above, try installing a modern linux distribution on them and check out some of those distributions from distrowatch.com. There are a lot of distributions to choose from, but at least you can get an operating system that has less security holes but a lot of open source free software available to it and of course you can write your own software to it. Last, you can run raspberry pi software on those machines.
I have a P4-era Celeron in my 2003 laptop w/ 1.2GB of ram and it runs the newest Linux Mint perfectly.
Just thought I'd point out, no, you CANNOT "run raspberry pi software on those machines". The RasPi uses an ARM processor with a completely different architecture and instruction set to x86. Yes, some of the software has been ported, but don't expect to be running raspbian or something...
I remember having to use dos commands to run games on computers when i was younger. Best time ever 👍👍
38:30 even my 4 y.o. laptop rocking amd a8 4500m won't run Windows 10 smoothly (brightness locked at max, very annoying), unlike my g4400 pc
I have run windows 10 on a cheap walmart netbook with 1gb of ram and it was useable, windows 10 has great backwards compatibility. Watch some of the software/hardware compatibility test videos. I have been surprised at the hardware that windows 10 has been installed on here. I have some very old computers around here to mess with.
HellenKillerProject "great backwards compatibility"... unless you have a processor made in 2015.
Sorry, running a processor from 2012 or sometime thereafter, but it's ok. No issues at all, amd6300 six core still benchmarks well
Also running on a core2 duo just fine with 2gb of ram
By the way when I am talking old, like I still have a running pentium 75 tower. I'll never try running windows 10 on it because it was my wifes first computer and I just like to keep it like it is.
One of my fav vids to ever be made on this site. Watched this full about 20 times by now!
I got my acer ''netbook'' which is single core (1GHz) with 2GB of RAM and for watching movies and reading books it's just fine but browsing internet.. well yeah it's slow not to mention youtube vids. Anyway i bought this one year ago for approximately for 85 USD and it's still better than nowadays low-end netbooks with 32GB eMMC storage and better than those cheap tablets.
i had a similar pc that i got for christmas when i was about
i wanna say 8 or 9???
it was p neat to have a lil computer for myself, even though i couldnt run one of my favorite games on it (had to downgrade it from 2.5 to 1)
used it for about three years until i got a slightly better pc in 2015
not much of a change except going from xp to 7 and 800x600 to 1024x768, but at least that one was free!
TPLink makes a portable Ethernet bridge that can be powered from USB, and it supports WPA2, it's great for systems that cannot use WPA2. There are also patches for some models of think pads that remove the whitelist of ethernet cards for the system, so it might be also possible to just replace the internal one. www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:R51
kinxofsepluv Or simply use a USB WiFi stick ^^
JonasLue not an option if the os doesnt support wpa2. Example windows 98
Have you tried Windows 7 Tiny? That would be better for that Thinkpad :-) I have an IBM T40 with 512 MB running Windows 7 Tiny. 👍
have same think pad you have I have 1.5 gb ram i am installing windows 7
I had my IBM T43 with 2gigs Ram running Windows 7 w/ limited graphics for years. I currently switched it to run linux as I wanted to play around abit in that environment. I figure the reason for not getting Win7 PE is that Win7 is content rich. The Processor requirements has a higher clocking speed if I recall correctly as well as Ram. It has been a few years since I installed the OS and therefore cannot speak to what the requirements are. The IBM Exxx model he used in the beginning was far underpowered to handle win7. I think XP or even vista would be pushing it to the limits.
I have Windows 10
Do you mean Windows 7 Starter?
BrickFur Hanging
No it’s not possible to do it on Pentium 2 not even on Pentium 3! In fact, it took someone 3 attempts to install Windows 10 on Pentium 4 because it said your computer need a to restart. But it works on a 2000-2001 computer on the bright side! I have Windows Vista Dell upgraded to Windows 10.
According to my research (via trial and error lol):
It turns out that the oldest processor that can support Windows 10 is the Intel Pentium M (Dothan), which was made in 2005.
Anything older (Pentium 4 included) can only support up to Windows 7.
Also, for you to enjoy Windows 10 on the Pentium M, you need to have a graphics card that has a Microsoft WDDM driver written for it (ATI Mobility Radeon, Nvidia GeForce Go, etc).
Pentium 4 can do 11, so some older cpus can too.
I have a 10 year old Toshiba which has a Pentium T3400, 4gb of ram (can run on 1gb) and I got that to run Windows 10 1903 which is the latest update which is insane for a 10-11 year old machine.
@HB_Diablo Interesting. Were you ever into motion design?
THANK YOU THINKPAD
Queen Awesome Gaming plain rock......
More like thinkingpad amirite
you probably got this joke from plainrock124 lmao
He does have a point...when I was in jr. high, my dad built a Pentium III 600MhZ for his personal home desktop, and for mine he bought a Carleton 400MHz because it was really the time period between when AMD K6-2 3D Now Technology had reached its highest point (550MHz), Pentium II’s were out of production, the AMD Athalon K7 hadn’t yet been released, so there was Pentium III’s and Celerons were all of a sudden in the mix, so I got the 400 MHz Celeron and I built it with an Asus Motherboard, Ram at that time wasn’t much, 1gb RAM was an astronomical pipe-dream at that time (like 1997 or 1998) I had a Voodoo 2 16MB Graphic Card (which I upgraded to a 1st gen ATi Radeon 128mb DDR Graphics card which was incredible, but buggy AF because it was a Prototype or Engineering one of the Electrical Engineers my dad worked with at the time had somehow ended up with & he was like a 60 year-old guy at the time and didn’t really have a use for a video card like that) , Sound Blaster 16, 10/100 local area network card, 56K 3COM modem which my father bought, took out to the parking lot of a Comp USA, switched the board inside the same plastic housing from US Robotics 28.8bps modem, screwed it back together, put it back into its box, took me by the hand back into the store, returned the 56K modem (with the 28.8 bps modems printed circuit board inside of it), got his money back and then explained to me “US Robotics sold me that 28.8 modem under the premise that it would be upgradable to 56K when the time came, then 3COM bought US Robotics, and it wasn’t ever upgradable, but the first batch of 3COM 56K modems we’re in the same white plastic case, so I took it upon myself to upgrade it myself... fast-forward to 2016, I met a woman with whom I fell in love (and vice-versa) the time came for our parents to meet...my dad an Electrical Engineer at the time for a company in Worcester, MA... her dad - Retired Electrical Engineer who worked for 3COM right at that time, so my dad tells her dad this story, and her dad started laughing his ass off, saying “that modem got sent back to us!! It got put on my bench!! Opened it up and said “this has a US Robotics marked circuitboard in it from a years before the marked manufacturing date on the sticker on the bottom of the modem!!” My original point being LOL, I overclocked the living F outta my 400MHz Celeron CPU I was running it at over 1 GHz
I was believing your story until you said you oced the celly to over 1 GHz... then I knew it's all bullshit.
I'm banking on ReactOS to revive all my old hardware. Running windows software on older hardware without the drama of a microsoft oriented setup system, and with the fact that ReactOS has a lot different requirements (the project is aiming to support windows NT 5.1 hardware and work from there) while maintaining the cross compatibility for older hardware which will be so good for people like us; trying to keep using old hardware while running newer software.
This is Microsoft's Windows 7 system requirement:
"If you want to run Windows 7 on your PC, here's what it takes:
1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster 32-bit (x86) or 64-bit (x64) processor*
1 gigabyte (GB) RAM (32-bit) or 2 GB RAM (64-bit)
16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver"
So, the laptop's CPU isn't fast enough, not enough RAM (only 512MB), and the graphics card is probably not DX9 compatible.
If your ThinkPad has a USB port, you can boot the windows via USB. All you have to do is burn into a cd a boot manager, I used the PloP Boot Manager, then burn the Windows 10/7 .ISO into a usb (not just drag and drop the .ISO, you have to actually "burn" into the USB... It maaaaaaay work just dropping the .ISO file with the newer OS's... but if it doesn't, it's pretty easy finding a software to "burn" into usb isos). Then directly install from boot windows 10. I've did that to install windows XP without having to burn CDs.... Sure, It's USB 1.0 and takes forever, but works!
if you are on windows just use Rufus, it is the best one around and it is open source
Denis Franco And plop to boot using usbs.
In linux its better use the dd command or unetbootin
Rohan Ron_ON Nah... It really depends in what iso and os you want into it... Many bsds, linuxes and custom windows isos wont work into it. It needs to recognize the iso and its format, file system structure, so it may fail in many times. But it is good, not maybe the best
P2 wont run windows 10, it has no sse3
or NX (no exute/execute disable bit) either
Correct
even 1st gen p4 will not run it,just the cedar mill p4,s end even that is a stretch
Prescott P4 processors will also work just fine with the 32-bit version.
not to mention EFI...
Celeron was designed as low end. I bought a running T61 Thinkpad on eBay and it’s beautiful.
I'd imagine that "new" RAM is actually new old stock, never used before but kept in storage for many years.
No need to be fucking rude about it, not everyone looks down through the entire comments section.
Rohan Ron_ON Yeah and he probably read all the comments to find if anyone awready said that...
Pentium 4 was a mess. Intel hit the end of the line of adding more megahertz and adding pipeline length when the CPU was hot enough to melt steel beams. Overclocked Pentium 3s were a lot faster most of the time!
Ricky Nelson Did you ever seen the pentium ds? They were a hell a lot worse... Two glued p4s basically
I used to have a 2.8GHz Northwood P4 that would pin at 100% usage just playing Solitaire on Windows XP
korza493 Did you try to format it? Maybe its installation was bloated, or corrupted. My old amd duron 1.2ghz only peaks 100% usage in xp if i am using a usb mouse, with ps/2 it dont do that, as usb demand some processing (yeah incredibly).
I have a 3.0ghz precott p4, it is fine with linux, but was running windows 7, i just wanted to try a distro to see the support to the onboard chipset.
Eduardo Avila I know it wasn't a bad install. The CPU went into 4 different motherboards, several hard drives and a combination of different OSes. I think the biggest issue was I was stuck with Intel Integrated Graphics 2. It was the first CPU I ever bought and it was already ancient when I got it
Eduardo Avila the boards I used were all Intel 845/865 chipset boards and I found the Linux support was always pretty good
Wow, that looks like an eeepc 701 netbook. I remember buying one of those back when I studied abroad. What you could do is that the motherboard is capable up to 1 GB of RAM, and upgrading that to reduce that amount of page file use on the SDCard. Good luck getting the wifi card working if you decide to continue to play around with that setup, installing anything but the original image drivers for Windows XP (linux, etc) will probably not work. If this indeed is the 701, for some dumb reason, the chipset for the wifi is different than the normal 900 series of eeepcs. Asus dropped the ball here.
Yeah works fine on XP but windows 10 is never gonna happen. My school had an eee PC box (eee PC motherboard in a little desktop case) up until reacently as one of the libarary computers with windows 10 and it was a mess. No drivers. Incredibly slow to the point of that it boggles the mind. Interesting from a compatability perspective though.
I can tell why the first machine didn't want to boot it's because of the 800x600 screen so if you can get an equivalent panel but with a at least 1024x768 screen you should be able to get Windows 7 running
Ah the joys of Windows installs.. A lot of my gray hair was from installing and setting up Windows 3.1 - Windows 10.
No wonder my hair greyed quickly especially since vista ~ now
graphicsgod Fuck you.
@@AgeofReason no fuck you
Like the long form video format, would like if you did it more often.
They take a surprising amount of time to put together -- the editing turns into an absolute grind. But yeah, I'll keep doing longer episodes as the subject warrants.
Thank you for mentioning Free Geek. I live in Portland and totally want to volunteer for them!
Perhaps, the trackpoint drivers were not loaded for installation mode? But post install, you don't have that problem anymore?
Colin : its hard to beat 7$
Me : hold my 4$
These changes in CPU feature requirements are not much more than checking a compiler flag. Microsoft is just abusing them for aritifially limiting the bandwidth of hardware that Windows i supposed to run on for making support easier and pleasing hardware industry.
A Pentium II is more suited for Windows 2000 at best. I don’t recommend XP on anything less than a P III from personal experience, let alone anything newer.
Typing this on my iPad, I am seldom on Windows much anymore either. The assumption in my post was that some form of Windows was intended, so feel free to install a lightweight Linux, or even plain old DOS if preferred. Or even multi-boot several OSes as I often do, if you have the space.
NT 6.0 -6.4 (win10) not supported pentium II and MMX only pentium 3
i had XP Pro on a Pentium 3 runs a tad slow but download is good for movies too and watch em with VLC , forget about streaming stuff from the internet though and Facebook
OS Limits for me:
Pentium II: XP
Pentium 3 and 4: 7
Pentium M: 7 or 8.1
Core Duo and later: 8.1, 10 and above
Not only does Microsoft require specific cpu capabilities over time, they have done it WITHIN releases of an OS. I got bit by this on windows 8 when they went to 8.1 and required CompareExchange128. Your only option was to downgrade from 64 to 32 bit or stay on 8. I want to say it was some kind of C2D chip but it was 8 years ago and my memory is fuzzy.
What if you install a very lightweight Linux, and try to run Win10 on a VM?
TiagoTiago This dose not work because you need 2x as much specs to run Windows on VM then running it natively. Only when running Linux on Linux via clock work mod software like test drive or Linux deploy will you need less than 2x the PC power.
that is factually incorrect modern virtualization only has a few percent of performance loss and some options have no measurable loss like Linux in a libvirt container..... in fact virtualization has such good performance i use a windows 10 vm for gaming by passing a second gfx card into a vm using intel vt-d
meh757 okay sir but we are talking about a Pentium II.
Yeah. Even assuming the old CPU we are talking about here supports the necessary virtualization extensions for running hardware based VMs(I can't be bothered to look it up and I don't think it does.), it wouldn't introduce any additional CPU-level functionality. You could run Linux/Old-Windows inside Linux/Old-Windows, but software that requires newer CPU extensions would not work. What you need here is emulation. You would need to emulate newer CPU instruction logic on an older CPU. It can be done, but with massive performance loss. It would be interesting to experiment with that though. Maybe I'll dust off one of my old laptops and run Linux with QEMU and see if I can run newer Windows versions inside it. As an aside, he hit the roadblock I expected him to hit from the start. Most "computer" people don't know about these lower level components and just think, Windows is windows, and a CPU is a CPU. When you spend all your time in the mainstream consumer x86/Windows world, those heuristic ways of thinking, which work there, lead to massive misunderstanding from a more computing-wide technical perspective. Most tech people aren't diving into the details of the lower-levels. It's why even specter and meltdown went under the radar for as long as they did. There aren't many people dealing down there on the bare CPU level.
the computer takes fire
Can I play solitaire at 60 fps??
MINESWEEPEER USING MY TURBOGRAPHIX CARD lol
No, it is 100 fps. Sorry.
Sorry you have to have a Geforce GTX 970 graphics card with 6 VRAM GB and 16 ram with 2TB SSD sorry buddy
Na u can run crysis at 200fps easily at 4k
I know it's old, but for future videos, make sure to get the device drivers for all integrated components. I did testing for those issues and came across hardware not working due to no software telling the computer how to use it.
I mean i grew up using a pentium 3/4... but that BIOS @7:15 really shows the age of that system, more than the hardware specs themselves. Nowadays a normal user has so much control over the behaviour of a system, it's incredible. This video is immensly fascinating, subbed!