My cymbal bag just got a lot heavier. Favorite combo was 22" Extra Dry Thin Ride on top + 22" Tradition Flat Ride on bottom (both MEINL Byzance). Full cymbal list in the description. But importantly, take what you already have, and experiment with THAT!
This is almost exactly what my friend Kai, my band's drummer, does for his hat! He uses 20 inch crashes though, and he has a set of regular hi hats on the inside separated just perfectly by felts to not touch the crashes yet still close at the exact same time as the crashes. I honestly wish I'd see more of this technique, it sounds nice to me, and it's super fun to play like this!
I wonder if you have the top half set up high enough, could you lift it so that you can use it as a regular ride? If so, sick way to save space patent immediately I see no downsides.
But then again you would loose the nice "open" and majestic feeling of having your arms uncrossed while playing the actual ride. Huh, now that I think about it, it's rather fitting that while your playing the hihat, which is responsible for the more closed cymbal sounds, your body posture is also more "closed", as opposed to the ride: open sound, open arms and chest. I like that idea.
@@muenchhausenmusic If you wanted the open feel and easier playing, you could put the ride hats on your right using a remote (cable) hi hat stand! I've seen one of my favorite drummers from the Cinematic Experimental Jazz-ish trio GoGo Penguin do a similar setup, only with a dampening pad under the ride instead of a "bottom hi hat." Tiny Desk concert here where you can see this in action: th-cam.com/video/47XlUL6sRow/w-d-xo.html
Shawn Crowder a good pencil condenser would do wonders for a nice isolated hi-hat sound. A close mic’d AKG 451 and some heavy compression would have made those trap hi hats sound crazy
Ofc it works, hi hat cymbals by themselves would sound like mini crashes. The sound comes from two cymbals touching eachother like hi hats do on a stand
Pro tip when you see a new video from Shawn, click it, then like then start playing the video. Thanks Shawn for taking the time for this and sharing your fun moments.
Yes! I tried this out a few months ago and was surprised how usable rides were as hats, from a sonic standpoint. Maybe not for every style... but super fun!
No shit, my best friend and me, we have the worst and silliest humour in the world, and one of our running gags is that drummer who has got hihats so big and thick, like 2 meters radius, and they are so heavy that he has to have a hydraulic system there in order to open and close it 😂 And the best thing is, it takes a while to open and close. It opens and closes slowly with this hydraulic buzzing noise, and of course the band has to stop and pause the song whenever the hihat is being opened and closed. Sometimes several times in one bar alone, depending on the drum groove. And of course the drummer writes and tries to play beats as if he had a regular hihat. It's actually a metal band, and they have to stop dead every couple of seconds 😂 Best concert you'll ever see 😂😂😂😂 Of course they could fire the drummer and get a new one, but in our silly world the other bandmates just stand around with faces somewhere between annoyed and sad while they're waiting for the hihat to open to commence their otherwise very energetic live show. And of course the drummer could just get a different hihat, but why would he? The drummer and the bandmates are stuck with this hihat for life! So is the audience. Plus, it makes touring a lot more expensive and much more of a hassle with these big hihat cymbals 😂😂😂 But the band still wouldn't get another drummer, because... because. Thank you for reading this whole paragraph!
MünchhausenMusic you’re not alone Once I dreamt that this really good drummer was playing with really long sticks, like ninja or Kung fu weapon hierarchy, the better you are the longer sticks you’re allowed to play . His solo was fucking nuts, and now it’s an inside joke with my band mate and we talk real stupid shit about needing roof racks or a semi trailer / train or tanker ship to carry sticks to gigs. Got my eyes on some roof racks, I’ve just gotta keep practicing.
This is the equivalent of a guitar player subbing pedals or switching up the order of their favorites. It was a fantastic video, thanks for sharing that bit of fun!
I love the sound of that. Makes me think it may not be terrible to have a 16” high hat and 22” high hat setup, you can switch situationally. Edit: and some pitch bending bell hats. PS: any chance you can make a sample pack of the 22”s? I’d love to use that in some kits in Live (yes, I’m evil).
8:00 the toy hihat might not sound good in the room, but through my headphones they sound fantastic! I'm wondering about the ride hihat though: wouldn't that be great for a really minimal cocktail setup? Ride on top, so all you need to do in the chorus is open the hihat all the way?
Those huge hats are my favorite sounds from hihats ever! If I can ever get my hats to sound like that, I would probably die happy because holy cow, those sound amazing
I saw the drummer from Deerhoof do this when they played in London 2007-ish. He was also using the bass drum case as a stool. If you know Deerhoof none of this will surprise you. But I thought at the time: Now there's a drummer who mixes up his relaxed and very specific needs...
Hey, this is first time I saw one of your videos. I am no drummer but I'm a little into it, but from what I can hear and see, you're great. You have a unique voice on the kit and great skill and feel. Keep playing!
I've gone as big as 17" and found that to be a serious workout for your left foot. If you intersperse your feet, bigger than 15" are about as big as you want to get without hitting the gym to even play the upbeats through a 4 minute song. Remember your left foot doesn't just close and open the hats waiting for your sticks to hit them, they are to be integrated in your playing, groove or solo with your feet. Now, onto Nano hats. They are best played closed mounted off the rim of the snare drum. I use a set of Zildjian Finger Cymbals with a spring between them mounted to the edge of the snare rim and turned inward.
That elongated chik sound is wonderful! I'm less impressed with the sloshiness of the half closed configuration, but I think I could get used to it otherwise.
Hey I just wanted to leave a note about that cool 5-let drum groove that you play from time to time. You seem to play a literal interpretation of the 5-let subdivision, but don't forget that this groove comes from the "loose" and UNQUANTIZED rhythms that the legendary J DILLA made on his MPC. The literal 5-let subdivision of this groove is just the best APPROXIMATION of the rhythms that J Dilla was really going for. I'd encourage you to play around with "unquantizing" your rhythms next time you try the J-Dilla groove.
Just a thought from your last setup that you might enjoy: How about putting a tiny cymbal on the bottom, and an enormous one on top (and so on)? Another thing you could do is "capture" a little cymbal inside the mouth of a pair of enormous ones? (You might need to try and figure out a way of tying and releasing it on the fly - some string through the hole that you use to move it to various "join-ins" and "muffles" ( - and seeing as my technical jargon is starting to very intedisgrate erhe, illll had bttere stpo now)
Nice video !!.....in a/any hh if you get more free movement to the top cymbal, same as bottom is (can oscilate itself free), and no attached so tight to the glutch, then hh will starts to sound properly. With so tight attachment to the glutch on the top cymbal you just can get a "KOF" sound fron that cymbal, if you let it moving free on the glutch, then "SSSSSHHH" sound becomes from it, same as from the bottom. Cheers !
I used to use 16" crashes as hats and loved those to death. Also used to use a 20" ride and crash combo for a hot sec. Loved both configurations; but they sounded like "crashes as big hi hats" instead of "big hi hats." Recently got a second 20" ride and the added weight made all the difference in the world. I love them. Idk if they'll replace my 14s or 15s anytime soon; but they finally sound like "big hi hats." Feels a little weird walking into church to play carrying only 3 ride cymbals 😂
LOL-- You know, it could either be a mark of finding one's true vocation, or, sheer privilege gone haywire, but everything the world needs most right now might just come down to whether or not a person is capable of having a dream-experience like the one you describe at the beginning of this video. Thanks for posting!
I had that "why I started playing" moment today, when I realized that this old, totally cracked china sitting in the corner sounds almost exactly like that super expensive stack I was gonna get. For now at least 😅
The giant ones are definitely a cool effect for recording or something, but not necessarily something you could use in your regular kit, but the tiny ones made from splash cymbals definitely could be. I could easily imagine a drummer doing a lot of hip-hop gigs who wants to get those trap kind of sounds could have their regular hats on the main stand, but could also get a second, cable-driven hi-hat stand mounted somewhere else on their kit to run something like this.
My cymbal bag just got a lot heavier. Favorite combo was 22" Extra Dry Thin Ride on top + 22" Tradition Flat Ride on bottom (both MEINL Byzance). Full cymbal list in the description. But importantly, take what you already have, and experiment with THAT!
Tiny ones that you said you can modify pitch... I think that Ben Levin would like to rap to you playing ;)
Once I had 17" Stagg SH china. It did not sound good on its own, but I liked it as a hat bottom and in stacks. I sold it long ago.
You played the Rock and Roll intro, into a groove that was half as fast, and it actually cracked me up.
Nice vid.
How about Meinl 20" marching band/22" (thin) symphonic cymbols for hi-hats? :-)
Can't wait for the newest Sungazer track where you'll be using two gongs as high hats!
👏👏👏🤑
This but unironically
rdavidr finally made gong hats today
Good lord those sound amazing. I'll bet they sound great stacked, too!
Charles Cornell didn’t know u watched drum videos love ur content
Ethan Mole has his drumming stuff not come out yet when you made this comment
You're fake, confirmed
I'm glad to be along for the rides
Deldarel this pun is beyond dad-level
bass tom crash
Dude you look just like Adam Neely's drummer.
Chris Hanline
The resemblance is scary man
It’s him lol
@@RedHair651 r/woooosh
@@albaal7035 r/ihavereddit
i don't see it tbh
The sound of opening the mini hats was really satisfying.
i loved the pitch bending on the bell hi-hat thing
The quality is always improved with a cheeky little bit of Zeppelin...
been using splashes as a hihat forever now. this is very validating
Reiminds me of marching band! When the crash cymbal players would press em together and march backwards so the snares could have a hi-hat!
Very true, although IIRC most marching bands use 18s lol
That's cool. Never heard of that.
Next video: Rigging up toms to operate as hi-hat cymbals... somehow
That would have some bang to it
Either that or using crash symbols as heads for a kick drum.
Triggers
Now this is the type of Louder with Crowder I like.
yooooo. I’m not even a drummer and this was sick and great fun to watch. I loved this!! Hope you keep making frequent content.
Epic man. A hi-hat dream... that kills me. When your hats are bigger than your kick you know things will get interesting. Thanks.
That grin at 3:52 sums it up I think. Super interesting! Nice sound!
This is almost exactly what my friend Kai, my band's drummer, does for his hat! He uses 20 inch crashes though, and he has a set of regular hi hats on the inside separated just perfectly by felts to not touch the crashes yet still close at the exact same time as the crashes. I honestly wish I'd see more of this technique, it sounds nice to me, and it's super fun to play like this!
The toy cymbal hihat just sounded like my middle school's drumkit honestly
I wonder if you have the top half set up high enough, could you lift it so that you can use it as a regular ride? If so, sick way to save space patent immediately I see no downsides.
Good idea! I didn't think of that.
You could actually do that, you'd just need to add a lock you could activate with your foot so that the ride doesn't bounce.
But then again you would loose the nice "open" and majestic feeling of having your arms uncrossed while playing the actual ride. Huh, now that I think about it, it's rather fitting that while your playing the hihat, which is responsible for the more closed cymbal sounds, your body posture is also more "closed", as opposed to the ride: open sound, open arms and chest. I like that idea.
@@muenchhausenmusic If you wanted the open feel and easier playing, you could put the ride hats on your right using a remote (cable) hi hat stand! I've seen one of my favorite drummers from the Cinematic Experimental Jazz-ish trio GoGo Penguin do a similar setup, only with a dampening pad under the ride instead of a "bottom hi hat." Tiny Desk concert here where you can see this in action: th-cam.com/video/47XlUL6sRow/w-d-xo.html
@@Merlincat007 I'll check it out!
I love that open sound! Sounded like a really loose stack almost.
My friends and I at school had a field day doing this! Super fun!
Holy sh**, how do you mic those giant hi-hats in a mix? thanks for solving my existential question about if we can use any cymbal as a hi-hat.
cymbal sound is pretty much all coming from 2 overheads. but i'm sure you could do some crazy stuff with fancy close mics!
Shawn Crowder a good pencil condenser would do wonders for a nice isolated hi-hat sound. A close mic’d AKG 451 and some heavy compression would have made those trap hi hats sound crazy
Ofc it works, hi hat cymbals by themselves would sound like mini crashes. The sound comes from two cymbals touching eachother like hi hats do on a stand
@@TronciM Most modern hihat cymbals will sound like mini rides tho. Because they're so heavy
Pro tip when you see a new video from Shawn, click it, then like then start playing the video.
Thanks Shawn for taking the time for this and sharing your fun moments.
I really love the low washy sound of those hats. I wanna hear an all-giant drum set.
I play guitar and bass, i don’t know why i’m whatching this. I love it.
Hey Shawn can you do a video on how to incorporate "weird" polyrhythms into normal grooves? Thanks man love your videos
Should have some new stuff coming soon! cheers
That would be siiiiiiick
Polyrhythms Polyrhythms Polyrhythms
Gonna try it out with chinas %D
Wear ear plugs! Did the hi hat trick with 2 20” Chinas and it was like hell opening up lol, tons of fun and LOUD
@@mschambon Yeah, i did wear them =)
Yes! I tried this out a few months ago and was surprised how usable rides were as hats, from a sonic standpoint. Maybe not for every style... but super fun!
No shit, my best friend and me, we have the worst and silliest humour in the world, and one of our running gags is that drummer who has got hihats so big and thick, like 2 meters radius, and they are so heavy that he has to have a hydraulic system there in order to open and close it 😂 And the best thing is, it takes a while to open and close. It opens and closes slowly with this hydraulic buzzing noise, and of course the band has to stop and pause the song whenever the hihat is being opened and closed. Sometimes several times in one bar alone, depending on the drum groove. And of course the drummer writes and tries to play beats as if he had a regular hihat. It's actually a metal band, and they have to stop dead every couple of seconds 😂 Best concert you'll ever see 😂😂😂😂 Of course they could fire the drummer and get a new one, but in our silly world the other bandmates just stand around with faces somewhere between annoyed and sad while they're waiting for the hihat to open to commence their otherwise very energetic live show. And of course the drummer could just get a different hihat, but why would he? The drummer and the bandmates are stuck with this hihat for life! So is the audience. Plus, it makes touring a lot more expensive and much more of a hassle with these big hihat cymbals 😂😂😂 But the band still wouldn't get another drummer, because... because.
Thank you for reading this whole paragraph!
MünchhausenMusic you’re not alone Once I dreamt that this really good drummer was playing with really long sticks, like ninja or Kung fu weapon hierarchy, the better you are the longer sticks you’re allowed to play . His solo was fucking nuts, and now it’s an inside joke with my band mate and we talk real stupid shit about needing roof racks or a semi trailer / train or tanker ship to carry sticks to gigs. Got my eyes on some roof racks, I’ve just gotta keep practicing.
@@RG-ls2db That's hilarious 😂😂😂
@@RG-ls2db It's a law of nature: The better you are, the longer the sticks you have to use. There's no way around it. Can't be helped.
MünchhausenMusic yep, just like 2m radius hihats on hydraulic lift 🤘
This is absurd and I love everything about it.
This is the equivalent of a guitar player subbing pedals or switching up the order of their favorites. It was a fantastic video, thanks for sharing that bit of fun!
Im making a cardboard drumset with so much effects and im thinking of doing this kinda stuff
The into song is electro by sungazer
I love the sound of that. Makes me think it may not be terrible to have a 16” high hat and 22” high hat setup, you can switch situationally. Edit: and some pitch bending bell hats.
PS: any chance you can make a sample pack of the 22”s? I’d love to use that in some kits in Live (yes, I’m evil).
*literally just places a cymbal into another place*
shawn: “look how big this thing is lol”
It's all about context. If I placed Stonehenge inside your living room, you'd probably be saying the same thing ;)
This is one of the most exciting channels I've found in a long time, not really sure why.....
I did this before with my crash cymbals..
At 9:04 I just imagined the high hat saying "Om nom nom"
"LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT" the video...
and it was glorious.
oh man, your toms sound so good
I agree that floor tom sounds delicious!
Next video: putting snare wires on a bass drum
8:00 the toy hihat might not sound good in the room, but through my headphones they sound fantastic! I'm wondering about the ride hihat though: wouldn't that be great for a really minimal cocktail setup? Ride on top, so all you need to do in the chorus is open the hihat all the way?
Digging the flow of the video with its audio transitions. Good production.
Thanks for this. I just got my first set of meinl 13s the other day, and am still screwing around with them, getting the sound dialed in.
Dude, thankyou for this. I've been having ideas like this for years, just never had the resources to do it. This is Sooooo cool!
This why i just subscribed
1: very entertaining
2: i love drums
3: awesome video
I love that small hats! So creative! Subscribed!
Those huge hats are my favorite sounds from hihats ever! If I can ever get my hats to sound like that, I would probably die happy because holy cow, those sound amazing
That sounds amazing. Has a nice dirty sound that stands out just enough. So cool
I saw the drummer from Deerhoof do this when they played in London 2007-ish. He was also using the bass drum case as a stool. If you know Deerhoof none of this will surprise you. But I thought at the time: Now there's a drummer who mixes up his relaxed and very specific needs...
3:37 favorite moment
hold on, i’m not sure if he mentioned how big those hi-hats were
Very fun and interesting watch! I love switching things up....it forces creativity!
Those sound surprisingly cool! You wouldn't expect them to.
That's a cool sounding Hi-hat. Kudos to you for trying that out. I like the flavor
zack grooves
Yeah
Hey, this is first time I saw one of your videos. I am no drummer but I'm a little into it, but from what I can hear and see, you're great. You have a unique voice on the kit and great skill and feel. Keep playing!
Those rides sound great as hi-hats, nice one
those sound awesome!! I usually use 16s or 18. I put a bright one on top and a dark one on bottom and i think it just compliments each other nicely
Great edits man. I love the inginuity. You earned a sub!
that sounded phenomenal oh, this is going to be a studio trick of mine for now on
So this is the start of me bothering my drummers to dump all their hi-hats and use the rides instead.
I made some 16" hi hats with a Paiste Rude Crash/Ride on the top and an old Zildjian Crash/Ride on the bottom and they sound sick!
I think it sounds great
Great video, quite inspirational! All the best.
It actually sounds great! Lov it
Nailed the Rock And Roll intro 1 + 2 + a boom,hats do have that larger than life Bonham vibe.
I've gone as big as 17" and found that to be a serious workout for your left foot. If you intersperse your feet, bigger than 15" are about as big as you want to get without hitting the gym to even play the upbeats through a 4 minute song. Remember your left foot doesn't just close and open the hats waiting for your sticks to hit them, they are to be integrated in your playing, groove or solo with your feet. Now, onto Nano hats. They are best played closed mounted off the rim of the snare drum. I use a set of Zildjian Finger Cymbals with a spring between them mounted to the edge of the snare rim and turned inward.
Surprisingly good sound , thanks for sharing
My favorite are the two tiny bells, very weird sound, and I love the pitch shifting effect.
Came into this video saying what the heck.. wow what a gateway to new ideas haha. Awesome!
OOOOOOOoooohhhh, wow, I've never heard a hat thump like that. May the springs be strong with you.
Dunno why giant hats make me think of bonham but you going into rock and roll just cemented it for me
WOW i used to own that kit! so crazy to actually see one because i have barely been able to find anything about it.
I use 2 medium crashes of 18" with a 10" splash on the top to give a little sizzle
4:19 and 2:37 in that specific order are a perfect conversation between an insecure guy and a very supportive lover
I never understood people who wear shorts and long sleeved shirts
but this is awesome dude !!
Gotta have a lil splash cymbal to compliment it and a piccolo snare. Would love to play around with that setup
I’ve been using 20" crashes as hihats for about 5 years now. Works great for the kind of music I play in my band.
That elongated chik sound is wonderful! I'm less impressed with the sloshiness of the half closed configuration, but I think I could get used to it otherwise.
Hey I just wanted to leave a note about that cool 5-let drum groove that you play from time to time.
You seem to play a literal interpretation of the 5-let subdivision, but don't forget that this groove comes from the "loose" and UNQUANTIZED rhythms that the legendary J DILLA made on his MPC.
The literal 5-let subdivision of this groove is just the best APPROXIMATION of the rhythms that J Dilla was really going for.
I'd encourage you to play around with "unquantizing" your rhythms next time you try the J-Dilla groove.
Those toy cymbals sounded like a really nice stack kinda sound! Totally useless as hats though
Impractical, yeah but useless... far from. I could honestly record an album using that sound
Oh fuck nvm ur talking about the shit cymbals I thought it was the rides
That was really cool. And seems like an interesting option. Would be an expensive set of hats.
Great video!! Didn't know you had a channel!! Yaaaaay!!
I actually did this a few years back and it was awesome.
3:50 Bonzo test: pass!
This is the spirit of youtube!
Just a thought from your last setup that you might enjoy: How about putting a tiny cymbal on the bottom, and an enormous one on top (and so on)?
Another thing you could do is "capture" a little cymbal inside the mouth of a pair of enormous ones? (You might need to try and figure out a way of tying and releasing it on the fly - some string through the hole that you use to move it to various "join-ins" and "muffles" ( - and seeing as my technical jargon is starting to very intedisgrate erhe, illll had bttere stpo now)
It sounds AWESOME!
The rides sounded so good!
Congratulations, you’ve replicated something marching bands have done for years (using oversized cymbals as a hi-hat). Cool video
Dat Led Zeppelin fill though
Nice video !!.....in a/any hh if you get more free movement to the top cymbal, same as bottom is (can oscilate itself free), and no attached so tight to the glutch, then hh will starts to sound properly.
With so tight attachment to the glutch on the top cymbal you just can get a "KOF" sound fron that cymbal, if you let it moving free on the glutch, then "SSSSSHHH" sound becomes from it, same as from the bottom. Cheers !
I love the creativity!
I used to use 16" crashes as hats and loved those to death. Also used to use a 20" ride and crash combo for a hot sec. Loved both configurations; but they sounded like "crashes as big hi hats" instead of "big hi hats." Recently got a second 20" ride and the added weight made all the difference in the world. I love them. Idk if they'll replace my 14s or 15s anytime soon; but they finally sound like "big hi hats." Feels a little weird walking into church to play carrying only 3 ride cymbals 😂
4:00: Casually playing the Intro to Rock and Roll by Led Zeppelin
Try it with some china cymbals
LOL-- You know, it could either be a mark of finding one's true vocation, or, sheer privilege gone haywire, but everything the world needs most right now might just come down to whether or not a person is capable of having a dream-experience like the one you describe at the beginning of this video. Thanks for posting!
I had that "why I started playing" moment today, when I realized that this old, totally cracked china sitting in the corner sounds almost exactly like that super expensive stack I was gonna get. For now at least 😅
What I would give to play with 22 in. Hi-hats. Like the sound is so perfect.
The giant ones are definitely a cool effect for recording or something, but not necessarily something you could use in your regular kit, but the tiny ones made from splash cymbals definitely could be. I could easily imagine a drummer doing a lot of hip-hop gigs who wants to get those trap kind of sounds could have their regular hats on the main stand, but could also get a second, cable-driven hi-hat stand mounted somewhere else on their kit to run something like this.