I would love to see YSO come back, but in a way it is just a mirror for all of the things that are failing in classical music today. Music schools are putting out tons upon tons of musicians, nearly all of whom are capable of walking into nearly any symphony orchestra in the world and at the very least not embarrass themselves, but chairs are limited. Chairs are limited, orchestras aren't getting funded, and enough people are getting performance degrees to fill quite a number of brand new orchestras every year. *Every year.* None of this is sustainable as it stands, and those of us who are left on the outside looking in, forced to do something else with our lives to be able to live indoors and eat food, are paying the price with our mental and physical health for having a passion in life that isn't considered by society to be economically viable. The problem with YSO is that, even if it were to come back, the level of competition to get through the audition process would likely be on par with that of a typical major US symphony orchestra. It would just be one more essentially inaccessible experience, likely costing the players more than they would earn, and not contributing anything toward a solution to this problem we're all facing. For some background, I'm 45 years old, a trombonist like you (and it's been AWESOME to watch you grow as a trombonist over the years), and at this point in my life, there is literally no path for me to do what I intended to do with my life all those years ago when I was in music school. I don't tell you this for sympathy, and I don't tell you this in the hopes that you have any real answers--though if you do, that would be amazing--but because it needs to be said that this life we've chosen for ourselves is tenuous as fuck and there's no way around that. Take nothing for granted; you never know when you just won't have any more chances left.
@Jwellsuhhuh i’ve always thought of it as an infinite loop lmao. we teach kids to be the same people we once were that likely won’t make a career off of their raw talent
@@pianotimes6476 Sure, but that doesn't mean we can't think bigger and expect better. People talk all the time about how hard it is to be an artist but nobody ever seems to care about how hard it is *not* to be an artist.
@jemiller226 Agreed. I am a musician and this is my life. However, was it ever easy to make a living? Orchestras aren't collapsing massively as of now (March 2024). Orchestra jobs aren't dying off massively yet. We can expect better, sure. But the problem is, the audience for classical music is declining.
If you look at historic company/media orchestras, the BBC Symphony, the NBC Symphony, the NHK Symphony, the Eastman-Rochester Orchestra, the Columbia Symphony... There's absolutely no reason why Google, Facebook, etc shouldn't be funding orchestras in this day and age.
I was a part of the 2011 TH-cam Symphony Orchestra that performed in Sydney. That one actually was streamed live to a very large audience, at the time the biggest internet stream in history, around 33MM. That record would be beaten not long after by the royal wedding which attracted a bigger livestream audience. We had more time to rehearse, around 5 days if I remember correctly.
Wow, what a great video! It is difficult to balance the uniquely rigorous audition process and the understanding that these musicians aren't all pros. And having Michael Tilson Thomas conduct just adds to the expectation of a high level of performance. I'd love to see something like this again, but have it be less stressful, as this should be something inspiring for everyone involved!
Perhaps bring on board an associate conductor who is used to the realities of working with amateurs on tight schedules (say, a high-school orchestra teacher or the director of a classical music summer camp). You can still have a conductor with the name recognition of Michael Tilson Thomas (or perhaps someone else of that stature) but you'd be bringing in a skillset that is different from what you'd find in someone who is just used to working with pros.
Hope you enjoy the video! I plan on investigating the true reasons why the orchestra closed its doors, but that is for another possible episode down the road...
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sounds like a nightmare. if any are to happen in the future, the audition should probably consist of the pieces to be performed so the winner already know them and the TWO days rehearsal can be used efficiently
The TH-cam symphony might have vanished for good after two concerts, but hey, at least there might be a possibility that I could do something. I currently run a virtual online orchestra through Discord, and I was having important discussions with the newest closest friend of mine about possibly re-branding my virtual orchestra community into an in person orchestra/Philharmonic sometime in a few years, and believe me, that rebranded orchestra will not go anywhere like what the TH-cam symphony Did.
great video! I remember practicing for grad school auditions using the youtube symphony tip video and I never looked into why those videos were made. This is such an important part of classical music history for sure.
Glad to hear more details about what it was like. I auditioned and didn't make it. Sounds like maybe that was a good thing. Hope they do try to resurrect it, though.
I was a semi-finalist on flute in the Sydney audition cycle, and I can safely say I'm relieved I wasn't selected, however, I think there is a way to do this successfully now that we know what the main issues are. Music can be sent well in advance, rehearsals can be spread out, and the program can be tightened. I think there are plenty of professional musicians who don't play in professional orchestras who would LOVE to be a part of something special like this. I'd certainly give it another try.
I was so excited about yso but that was before i went to school for music and knew nothing. Now watching this video it seems insane and so stressful to have been a part of.
I would love more stuff like this! Any time you do less chaotic videos I am enraptured. Your blogs about you preparing for an audition we’re really interesting for me to watch!
I remember when I first heard about the TH-cam Symphony Orchestra. I honestly didn't believe it was a real thing. It sucks that it was disbanded, but hopefully they'll bring it back. I've heard that MTT is getting back onto the podium lately, so there's a chance. We need more like that here on the Internet.
That woodwind coach was a real jerk to that young lady. His comments were not only not helpful they would have actively added stress and not allowed her to focus on the music.
the coaches, conductor all were jerks when it comes to it. i mean they just give a sense of superiority when chastising players who have two fucking days to learn a huge program. they didnt have the temperment for the job and should not have partaken in it, they probably set back the product too
I still think we (musicians) should start something like this back up again. I really feel like it would be possible since not only do we have TH-cam now, we have TikTok too
Thanks a lot for this video! The YT symphony orchestra was such a big thing back in the day, but I completely forgot it existed! Nothing would be better than Tech giants putting resources into orchestral music, but a lot has happened since 2011: -Several orchestras have chosen TH-cam as their main publishing platform, and some early entrants gained a lot of recognition from young musicians, such as www.youtube.com/@SinfonicadeGalicia and www.youtube.com/@hrSinfonieorchester -Private TH-cam videos are becoming the standard format for online auditions, both for orchestras and music schools. -The Pandemic completely changed the way we thing about music, TH-cam and distance. The question is, what does Google have to gain from reviving YTSO at this point?
I'm ashamed to say I had never even heard about this orchestra till watching this video. Really interesting story, though. But, Timo... that cello piece in the background took over everything until your last few words of the video!
You must fix the culture around music and education in order to keep ideas like this afloat. There isn’t appreciation or value for music and education like this throughout the world. In America, especially, it is demonized.
Well of course this wasn’t going to work. I often compare orchestras to a college football team. You got about 60 people, each with their own background as a high school player. They’ve played on the same size field and followed the same rules and had similar equipment, know they game equally well, have all watched a ton of games. But some played on perennial contender DeLaSalle and others played for Podunk High.. You think in three practices they’re gonna play well at all together? But I agree with the idea of using aspects of social media into this. I have suggested to some musicians that a section of a concert hall be cordoned off. Use screens so that it can’t be seen. Audience members could go back there with their phones or tablets. Have a channel set up where people can comment and discuss what they’re hearing. Have it moderated for expert comments and to keep,things moving along. I meet tons of resistance to that from musicians, who seem to think it would be distracting for people to be writing, reading, etc. I disagree. People are processing their thoughts all the time while listening to music. And some are lightning fast texting. You could always stop and just listen if you want. Or between pieces, go back to regular seating, where devices would be banned.
Oh wow, I never picked up on those vibes when watching the rehearsal videos. Yeesh that is a lot of pressure for them. looked like tan dun and mtt were at odds with each other.
Also I love the trumpet. That is my instrument. That would've been something fun to try. Even though when it came out, I for one couldn't even tell you what it's from. It was and 2 had no skill on the trumpet. Cause I never played it before yet
Two days of rehearsal is quite standard in the orchestral world. And, I mean, if you get flown from across the world to play at Carnegie hall, nobody cares about your day job; you should know your parts. Yeah. The classical music world is harsh and unfair. And badly paid.
Maybe musicians shouldn't wait for "TH-cam" to do it and maybe we just do it ourselves. If an organization had the facilities and ability to get it started, it could be a really cool initiative.
Very bad idea. Unlike in 19th Century, classical music today is no longer pop music for amateurs or the masses. It's an elevated, sophisticated art form for a niche audience (1% of world population), for those who are willing to put in the hard work to play it or listen to it critically.
Ugh 😑 That DIRECTOR - what a moron. Expected an “audience picked” membership to have any Continuity inside of 24-48 Hours of getting the Music in hand? And then talks to people with snide gibberish like “You have many ideas about Beat 2- and none of them are with the orchestra” How about this: He had many ideas about being a control freak - and none of them WERE WITH the Orchestra”
I really didn’t like the way the conductor/coaches were talking to the orchestra. People aren’t deliberately getting things wrong! They definitely picked the wrong person for that job.
They didn't disappear, they're just rehearsing Organ2AsSlowAsPossible- see you all in year 2640
It all makes sense now 😂
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I would love to see YSO come back, but in a way it is just a mirror for all of the things that are failing in classical music today. Music schools are putting out tons upon tons of musicians, nearly all of whom are capable of walking into nearly any symphony orchestra in the world and at the very least not embarrass themselves, but chairs are limited. Chairs are limited, orchestras aren't getting funded, and enough people are getting performance degrees to fill quite a number of brand new orchestras every year. *Every year.* None of this is sustainable as it stands, and those of us who are left on the outside looking in, forced to do something else with our lives to be able to live indoors and eat food, are paying the price with our mental and physical health for having a passion in life that isn't considered by society to be economically viable.
The problem with YSO is that, even if it were to come back, the level of competition to get through the audition process would likely be on par with that of a typical major US symphony orchestra. It would just be one more essentially inaccessible experience, likely costing the players more than they would earn, and not contributing anything toward a solution to this problem we're all facing.
For some background, I'm 45 years old, a trombonist like you (and it's been AWESOME to watch you grow as a trombonist over the years), and at this point in my life, there is literally no path for me to do what I intended to do with my life all those years ago when I was in music school. I don't tell you this for sympathy, and I don't tell you this in the hopes that you have any real answers--though if you do, that would be amazing--but because it needs to be said that this life we've chosen for ourselves is tenuous as fuck and there's no way around that. Take nothing for granted; you never know when you just won't have any more chances left.
That’s why you join the music ed program and profit from the infinite loop 😂
@Jwellsuhhuh i’ve always thought of it as an infinite loop lmao. we teach kids to be the same people we once were that likely won’t make a career off of their raw talent
The problem is, it has always been difficult to make a living in music and opportunities have always been fewer than the number of candidates.
@@pianotimes6476 Sure, but that doesn't mean we can't think bigger and expect better. People talk all the time about how hard it is to be an artist but nobody ever seems to care about how hard it is *not* to be an artist.
@jemiller226
Agreed. I am a musician and this is my life. However, was it ever easy to make a living? Orchestras aren't collapsing massively as of now (March 2024). Orchestra jobs aren't dying off massively yet.
We can expect better, sure. But the problem is, the audience for classical music is declining.
If you look at historic company/media orchestras, the BBC Symphony, the NBC Symphony, the NHK Symphony, the Eastman-Rochester Orchestra, the Columbia Symphony... There's absolutely no reason why Google, Facebook, etc shouldn't be funding orchestras in this day and age.
I was a part of the 2011 TH-cam Symphony Orchestra that performed in Sydney. That one actually was streamed live to a very large audience, at the time the biggest internet stream in history, around 33MM. That record would be beaten not long after by the royal wedding which attracted a bigger livestream audience. We had more time to rehearse, around 5 days if I remember correctly.
Wow, what a great video! It is difficult to balance the uniquely rigorous audition process and the understanding that these musicians aren't all pros. And having Michael Tilson Thomas conduct just adds to the expectation of a high level of performance. I'd love to see something like this again, but have it be less stressful, as this should be something inspiring for everyone involved!
Perhaps bring on board an associate conductor who is used to the realities of working with amateurs on tight schedules (say, a high-school orchestra teacher or the director of a classical music summer camp). You can still have a conductor with the name recognition of Michael Tilson Thomas (or perhaps someone else of that stature) but you'd be bringing in a skillset that is different from what you'd find in someone who is just used to working with pros.
Hope you enjoy the video! I plan on investigating the true reasons why the orchestra closed its doors, but that is for another possible episode down the road...
FYI Better Help has a long list of controversies, such as selling private patient info and hiring unqualified therapists. I don’t think it’s a good company to take sponsorships for, as it could be harmful to your viewers
What happened at 12:30?
Thank you. I will keep this in mind for the future!!@@brandonm1708
sounds like a nightmare. if any are to happen in the future, the audition should probably consist of the pieces to be performed so the winner already know them and the TWO days rehearsal can be used efficiently
From 12:30-13:30 voice is cut off
UGH, I'm working on fixing this. Had a problem with Music Copyright. EDIT: FIXED!!!
@@trombonetimo Okay good to know. I thought my internet was laggy and that's what caused the drop in audio quality lol
Oh my goodness, I have wanted to know about this for ages!
The TH-cam symphony might have vanished for good after two concerts, but hey, at least there might be a possibility that I could do something. I currently run a virtual online orchestra through Discord, and I was having important discussions with the newest closest friend of mine about possibly re-branding my virtual orchestra community into an in person orchestra/Philharmonic sometime in a few years, and believe me, that rebranded orchestra will not go anywhere like what the TH-cam symphony Did.
hey there! your virtual orchestra sounds super interesting, would you be able to send the discord link?
great video! I remember practicing for grad school auditions using the youtube symphony tip video and I never looked into why those videos were made. This is such an important part of classical music history for sure.
YOOOO your videos are improving in editing good job dude.
I would have loved to be a part of it. Intense rehearsals and practicing in service of an incredible concert is right up my alley
Glad to hear more details about what it was like. I auditioned and didn't make it. Sounds like maybe that was a good thing. Hope they do try to resurrect it, though.
I was a semi-finalist on flute in the Sydney audition cycle, and I can safely say I'm relieved I wasn't selected, however, I think there is a way to do this successfully now that we know what the main issues are. Music can be sent well in advance, rehearsals can be spread out, and the program can be tightened. I think there are plenty of professional musicians who don't play in professional orchestras who would LOVE to be a part of something special like this. I'd certainly give it another try.
We love you trombone Timo
I was so excited about yso but that was before i went to school for music and knew nothing. Now watching this video it seems insane and so stressful to have been a part of.
I would love more stuff like this! Any time you do less chaotic videos I am enraptured. Your blogs about you preparing for an audition we’re really interesting for me to watch!
I remember when I first heard about the TH-cam Symphony Orchestra. I honestly didn't believe it was a real thing. It sucks that it was disbanded, but hopefully they'll bring it back. I've heard that MTT is getting back onto the podium lately, so there's a chance. We need more like that here on the Internet.
From nyan cat to this. I am impressed.
Still that nyan cat speed was impressive too.
That woodwind coach was a real jerk to that young lady. His comments were not only not helpful they would have actively added stress and not allowed her to focus on the music.
the coaches, conductor all were jerks when it comes to it. i mean they just give a sense of superiority when chastising players who have two fucking days to learn a huge program. they didnt have the temperment for the job and should not have partaken in it, they probably set back the product too
Agreed. it was already a pressure cooker to begin with, so why add MORE stress.
teachers are hired to make people sound better and that is a clear rhythm demonstration on how to not rush the sixteenths
This is so interesting and cool! I never knew about it. So many names I recognize!
I still think we (musicians) should start something like this back up again. I really feel like it would be possible since not only do we have TH-cam now, we have TikTok too
Best video you've put out, great job.
Great reminder video of the YSO.
Broo stop taking BetterHelp sponsorships, the company sucks!
Thanks a lot for this video! The YT symphony orchestra was such a big thing back in the day, but I completely forgot it existed!
Nothing would be better than Tech giants putting resources into orchestral music, but a lot has happened since 2011:
-Several orchestras have chosen TH-cam as their main publishing platform, and some early entrants gained a lot of recognition from young musicians, such as www.youtube.com/@SinfonicadeGalicia and www.youtube.com/@hrSinfonieorchester
-Private TH-cam videos are becoming the standard format for online auditions, both for orchestras and music schools.
-The Pandemic completely changed the way we thing about music, TH-cam and distance.
The question is, what does Google have to gain from reviving YTSO at this point?
I'm ashamed to say I had never even heard about this orchestra till watching this video. Really interesting story, though. But, Timo... that cello piece in the background took over everything until your last few words of the video!
What happened to the audio at 12:30?
Same thing that happened to the TH-cam Symphony Orchestra
@@musicalaviatorlmao😮
Its like a more stressful nafme all nationals rehearsal except international
When I see Tim play makes me want to play trombone and I play sax
Nice summary- was …. Intense, but an incredible show. Owen was a champion 🫶🏽
Great video my guy
You must fix the culture around music and education in order to keep ideas like this afloat. There isn’t appreciation or value for music and education like this throughout the world. In America, especially, it is demonized.
Great video !
Well of course this wasn’t going to work. I often compare orchestras to a college football team. You got about 60 people, each with their own background as a high school player. They’ve played on the same size field and followed the same rules and had similar equipment, know they game equally well, have all watched a ton of games. But some played on perennial contender DeLaSalle and others played for Podunk High.. You think in three practices they’re gonna play well at all together?
But I agree with the idea of using aspects of social media into this. I have suggested to some musicians that a section of a concert hall be cordoned off. Use screens so that it can’t be seen. Audience members could go back there with their phones or tablets. Have a channel set up where people can comment and discuss what they’re hearing. Have it moderated for expert comments and to keep,things moving along. I meet tons of resistance to that from musicians, who seem to think it would be distracting for people to be writing, reading, etc. I disagree. People are processing their thoughts all the time while listening to music. And some are lightning fast texting. You could always stop and just listen if you want. Or between pieces, go back to regular seating, where devices would be banned.
love these vids
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you manage to bullshit ur way through the auditions with a 5$ toy piano.
What did they expect to accomplish in two days of rehearsal? It was destined to be a clusterfuck from the get-go.
Petition to TH-cam for a revival
This whole video gave me anxiety
no shot he said "we've been starting in bar 3" dawg what did you think bar 1 was for?
I performed at Carnegie Hall :D
Sarah Willis *implied* that another YTSO performance was coming, not inferred it, right?
I forgot about this!
I'd say TwoSet Violin is already bringing people closer to classical music, albeit not in a very classical way😊.
What the hell happened to the end??????
awesome video
8:14 is that Laufey?
Where did you find the rehearsal clips?
Oh wow, I never picked up on those vibes when watching the rehearsal videos. Yeesh that is a lot of pressure for them. looked like tan dun and mtt were at odds with each other.
six 3 hour rehearsals in 2 days? Those poor brass players.
can you help me? i need to learn the song Fat Burger (2nd Trombone) in 2 months before my concert. Can you do a video on that please?
You should do a duet with the trumpet player max parrish
Also I love the trumpet. That is my instrument. That would've been something fun to try. Even though when it came out, I for one couldn't even tell you what it's from. It was and 2 had no skill on the trumpet. Cause I never played it before yet
MTT: ‘Oh Jesus”…😂
Two days of rehearsal is quite standard in the orchestral world. And, I mean, if you get flown from across the world to play at Carnegie hall, nobody cares about your day job; you should know your parts.
Yeah. The classical music world is harsh and unfair. And badly paid.
How much do you think MTT got paid for doing the TH-cam symphony?
Mr. Beast orchestra sounds about right. He's already got youtube composers making tracks for his videos, why not.
Maybe that was Just banned from TH-cam...😢
Maybe musicians shouldn't wait for "TH-cam" to do it and maybe we just do it ourselves. If an organization had the facilities and ability to get it started, it could be a really cool initiative.
Very bad idea. Unlike in 19th Century, classical music today is no longer pop music for amateurs or the masses. It's an elevated, sophisticated art form for a niche audience (1% of world population), for those who are willing to put in the hard work to play it or listen to it critically.
Absolute nonsense of a project xD
9:24 hahaha
nice
hi
Day 2 of asking you to play at the speed of light by Dimrain47
Good idea project, very bad organization
Good thing is TwosetViolin is still here
Ugh 😑 That DIRECTOR - what a moron. Expected an “audience picked” membership to have any Continuity inside of 24-48
Hours of getting the Music in hand? And then talks to people with snide gibberish like
“You have many ideas about Beat 2- and none of them are with the orchestra”
How about this:
He had many ideas about being a control freak - and none of them WERE WITH the Orchestra”
I really didn’t like the way the conductor/coaches were talking to the orchestra. People aren’t deliberately getting things wrong! They definitely picked the wrong person for that job.