This is why I stopped doing professional photography. It took the fun out of it with all the pros sure I had to make money. Doing it as a hobby again is so much more refreshing. I never want to make my hobby a job again.
I don't even do wildlife photography but I love watching wildlife TH-camrs. They are very informative about concepts, gear and techniques. I do sports and abstract photography.
Cool video Scott! Said it before, but I'll say it again...I love how you choose topics that are somewhat sensitive or controversial and discuss them in a very transparent and honest way, just like here. And your sense of humour is awesome...I love how you poke fun at so many things on IG, you really nail what I (and clearly many others) are thinking :). All the best with your endeavours!
Trying to keep it real. Not overly produced, and not an iphone video in my garage ranting about things..... just topical and hopefully something not being shared elsewhere.
Great video again…. My son was telling me that I should sell some of my pictures and that I sell myself short and he was going on and on about it… I had the impression that making money sell prints and calendars or other kinds of products would not be worth a good return on investment in my time invested (which your video pretty much confirms)! But the main reason, I am still not into this is because I do not want to take the pleasure of going out with my camera to shoot and do not want pressure to perform! Been there done that and got many t-shirts (you guessed it I am retired) That is IF what I produce is considered good work! So there it is!
Got some great advice early on and you touched on it. Don’t put yourself out there until you’ve got 5-10,000 solid images; five years of experienced work, and when groups besides family and friends seek your work or input. It’s proven to be true. Patience, persistence and perseverance. Lastly do t be afraid of no. You’ve nailed the income streams and the time frames. Great discussion.
I am in about 6 years to wildlife... totally agree, at least 4 to get really decent. I poured my heart into it and a lot of time as i was grieving the loss of my husband... i would really like to make money from my photos, esp wildlife... i tend to sell some landscape pictures but wildlife is a much harder 'sell'... i am going to live in my minivan out west for 4 months this year... hoping to see a lot of new birds/critters! Enjoyed the video, the honest views and just understandable content - everyone i watch is so vague so i def liked and subscribed! :) Keep the videos coming!! :) New follower, here. :)
Thanks for the honest input. The mention of uploading stock images is something I feel all photographers are torn about. The quick process of getting your work out there is alluring. However, it is like cutting off our fingers to eat.
This was such a valuable video! Thank you so much for being open and honest. I really do feel that you are one of the few youtubers who I wouldn't hesitate to actually hang out with in real life haha. Thanks for all your help! I am very passionate about bird photography but I also have a full-time job. Sometimes that makes me feel like I am not a "real" photographer but this video really helped me set that notion aside.
Always enjoy your channel. I love Simon's also...to be fair I feel like what really catapulted his channel was linking up with Fototripper (Gavin Hardcastle). Your channel is as good and informative as any out there.
Thank you. I love Simon and sincerely happy for all his success. His sky rocket has been amazing to watch. He really does have easy to understand information and well done videos.
Nice video and information. Yes, it took me also 4 to 5 years before I start taking sharp images of wildlife. It's not easy as you rightly said and some people start teaching Wildlife Photography just after 2 yrs of experience that's the sad part. And yes, enjoy wildlife photography than getting into commercial.
Thanks! I’ve been photographing for about 60 years. This is some of the best advice given on making a living from photography. Much of this I learned the hard way. Like you, I kept the love of photography by having a full time job with benefits! (Nurse). Keep up the good work. Really appreciate you and always learning a better way to photograph, have patience in the wild, and appreciate the lives of fellow creatures. Thanks again, Tom Thompson Graeagle, California
Great talk! I find you pleasingly unassuming, your words have meaning to me. When I watch your videos, I never have felt I wasted my time. Thank you! My bird photography started when I started birdwatching, many years ago, for documentation. Today, it has become a passionate, stand-alone hobby. Thus, making money at it is not my goal, but I have had photos chosen for auction in a fundraiser for a local conservation education non-profit. That is a contribution I am very proud of. Anyway, I thought this video was very eye-opening because I was curious about the business of wildlife photography beyond workshops shops & "how-to's". Thank you!
Thanks so much! Donating and fundraising is a great way to give back a little. I actually donate to local non profits and allow them to use images as no cost for they magazines and promotions.
You're killing it. Your channel just appeared in my algorithm a week ago. I assume the more you can put out the more you'll get seen. Hopefully it snowballs for ya
Retired CFO of a private high school in RI. I started taking photos at games, concetts, plays at my school and posted on flickr for students to see and download. When I retired I was asked by the school photographer who does prom, graduation photos if I wanted to work for him doing school event photos (games, concerts, plays, etc.) That go to yearbook moderator. He has about 12 local high schools and I average about 2-3 jobs a week during school year. Great part-time job, not a huge money maker, but I'm around kids and doing just enough not to be bored in retirement.
Scott, I really appreciate your honesty and candor. Thanks so much for sharing your experience. I'm nearing retirement and just starting with wildlife photography. I don't plan to make money with it, but it's interesting to understand it as a profession.
Simon is very good photographer and has excellent presentation skills. Thanks for sharing you insights about this niche. I will check more of your videos!
My Oh My, Killer video, your honesty and willingness to share the difficulties of the journey as a wildlife photographer are spot on. I spent years researching the possibility and doing cost analysis and all the things you do to determine what you would need to do, not to make a living, but to have a reasonable supplemental income. I personally decided with all the taxes you pay, the market for your product which varies greatly where you live, the demand (or lack of) for wildlife photo's that it really wasn't worth doing for basically minimum wage. So I will sell a print here or there privately or at a craft show (rarely) but I give a lot of prints as gifts. I just love the hobby, it costs me money but it's a passion. I have a You Tube Channel, I feel good about my content but I do it to motivate others to get out and shoot and like sharing what I do, never did it to get monetized and like you said, the odds to make serious money are basically slim to none and I don't worry about it. I have a livestream, (temporarily), long story, once a week and feel like I work full time for $0.00. I'm slowing down a bit to do other things but I have a good time. Really am liking what you do and talk about, wish you nothing but the best. - Jeff
@@WildlifeInspired I agree, we take the time to enjoy what's around us that so many take for granted and don't see so we are rewarded with a fantastic gift that is priceless.
This came to me as a suggested video, had not seen any of yours before. Subscribed based on this. Very pertinent information and enjoy your photographic style also.
Oh shit. Great channel. Unless I shoot a one in a million shot I’m just going to keep it on the same page as the others. “Eagar but let’s not get too excited.”Probably the most down to earth video and guy I have watched. Salute.
I think the key to selling yourself is to have confidence. like you said earlier in the video, you dont have to be a great photographer to make money, you just have to know how to market yourself. If your goal is to book workshops, you need to have the self confidence to know that the work you do is on par or not better than the people who will book your workshop. I've been doing photography for a year, and I could certainly show my friend who has never used a DSLR how to shoot wildlife, but would I be able to teach Scott something with 7 or 8 more years of experience than me? Problably not. 4 years is good because most of the people booking your workshop will be newer than you, so you will have more to show. Less than 4 years, you run into the risk of trying to teach people who have been doing it longer than you. That would suck.
Such a great topic!! And your always so very transparent. As someone who doesn’t print many images or sell them, I’ve thought about how I could put myself and sell some of my work. You’ve made some great suggestions about selling strategies along with factors to think about in doing so. Great advice!
Hello, Scott. Hope you are continuing to feel better. I don’t think that I would ever consider trying to make a living as a wildlife photographer. I took up photography as a way of helping me to remember birds I’ve seen on my birding trips ( I realized a 62, I no longer could recall where I had seen such and such birds AND……..there are so many Antbirds). I am a birdwatcher first, closing in on 3000 species. I think it’s interesting that you mention the 4-5 yrs. of experience or 4 yrs. of focused seasonal dedication as being preparatory for then being able to instruct others. It matches the thought of 10,000 hrs. of experience to acquire mastery. I will also probably just put my own photos on my walls as they tend to lean more toward the scientific and lack the compositional qualities that make truly spectacular images.
For a talking-head, you do a great job presenting solid information. For wildlife photography, I hate to even mention this because the images are a result of the best gear (along with his knowledge base). Moose Peterson's Hummingbird photos are about the best. I agree with you about Simon but I hope he's giving Gavin a little commission. Keep up your solid videos Scott, you're filling a needed niche.
Thanks so much. I'm trying to do a little different content. And gear and skill have been brought up a lot on this channel especially for certain types of photography.
Great video Scott. I love the detail, time, and how you shared your personal experience with TH-cam. I think it’s interesting how we’re starting to see more people offer “workshops” now, and offering teaching services for lots of money when their photography and editing skills are not even as good as some of the best out there on Instagram (for example) that don’t even try to or consider offering those types of services. My prediction is we’ll soon see a flooded market of people offering photography “workshops”
This is a real fear for many reasons...... hmmmmmmm the workshop bandwagon.. sounds like a video. The locations are my biggest fear I see it happening with a few spot already.
Great video Scott! I think you did a fantastic job summarizing all of the options for making money as a wildlife photographer. Over the last couple of years I have started to use my video background and add that to my arsenal. Stock footage is now an option that is growing at a rapid rate since Covid and offers us wildlife photographers another option moving forward.
informative, thanks for the insight and the links of inspiration. Its easy to get wrapped up in money and success. Important to remember the process and the engagement photography and art bring, especially with nature and wildlife.
Excellent video Scott. I could relate to a lot of what you said, and I found the part you talked openly about TH-cam an eye opener. Another way wildlife photographers make money is by offering the public to purchase masterclass software editing tools that people download. I think, but I'm not 100% sure the idea originated with landscape photographers. Thanks heaps for putting this together. regards Maria.
Excellent thorough explanation. As a hobbyist thay I am, your video got my attention, as the topic is always underneath: how good and smart youtubers as you, with great content do on the financial/living side. Thanks for opening that part, that let me value even more your productions.
Great video and interesting topic. I've been in this situation for a long time, trying to make a living of my hobbies (strength training and motorcycle vids here on YT), and now I've dived head first into photography. My tip is to combine it with an "easy" "regular" job on the side. This job has to cover pretty much all expenses, and the photo/whichever hobby you want to make some money on, is just a bonus. Obvious, you might say, I agree. But in my experience, once you depend on your hobby for income, you've lost. This goes for most of us, unless you're in that 1% group that manages. You'll lose your creativity, passion and ultimately may end up burning completely out. Once you're forced to do the hobby you once loved because of sales, it's over. Keep your day job, perhaps reduce your position if you can, and continue to take pictures because YOU want to, and not to sell. My "plan" is to make an old school blog where I share a few words and the pictures I take. If I end up making some cash on it, cool, if not, couldn't care less as long as I'm enjoying my craft. Either way, good luck to whoever read this comment!
Well l think your channel is excellent content, l love your manner and your photography is beautiful but l especially like it when you have guests on your show. I’m here because l want to develop my photographic skills and your content inspires me, Keep up the good work Scott.
Very cool info. I do YT just for fun. In addition to actually record the footage, postprocessing my vids takes like a week or so, depending on length and complexity. But I enjoy the process. Cheers.
Great Video Scott. I've done it all. Shows. Published. Calenders. Tours. I've made great money doing shows. But not enough shows in my area to benefit. But always good to talk to people and be personal. Tours are new. (Snowy Owls) Which might be the way to a small amount to keep Shooting lol. Great Vid. Love your work. Peace.
Since I got into photography as a way to capture some of the enjoyable moments spent in creation, I really can't fathom why I would ruin that by having to switch my focus to business related matters. There's few things as enjoyable as watching 7+ Wood Duck ducklings scurrying across the water or a Green Heron posing in some of their impossible poses as they hunt. Still I enjoy your candor and it's nice to see something on TH-cam that isn't sensational related.
I'd love to hear your view of Art Storefronts, they help artists learn to market and sell online via a custom website that they build and maintain. I've been listening to their podcasts and videos and social media stuff and it looks like a killer option, for those of us willing to put the hard work in. The website has print on demand feature, meaning the artist doesn't deal with printing, framing, shipping, none of it. I'm planning to sign up with them next year.
Scott, you've always been on point, but over the last few months, things are even better! Just a quick thing on the "teaching workshops after 2 years experience". I've seen much the same in dance - with someone having only the experience of a few group classes charging the same as true US Champions for private lessons. There are many that bite on this experience, because they either think a true professional would not be interested in teaching them, or would prefer a friend teach them (not realizing how little the "friend" knows. Whether you believe in the Dunning-Kruger findings, or not, the concept certainly applies - in that some with a little ability/education over value their worth and abilities. As in dance, workshops are much more cost effective for the teacher, but in general, much less valuable for the client. As for a typical time to become an expert? Oh my goodness! I would have no idea. I believe the sign of an excellent teacher is one that can find a way (be it visual, auditory, mathematical, conceptual - or story telling) to reach any "client" wanting to learn - because each persons way of learning is unique. So you might know your way around a camera and wildlife in 4 years, but learning to become a good teacher - if we are being honest - likely takes far longer unless we've taught successfully before. This past weekend, I was proud that I taught a woman with an interest, but little prior experience - on understanding exposure, aperture and relevance of f-stops, shutter speed, and how ISO figures in to the thought process - well enough that she went out and shot and used the information as she was shooting to help get the image she wanted. Using my little "trick" she was able to recall all f-stop numbers and know their relevance on the fly so she could make the adjustments needed in the field. My "lesson" was free, but as a teacher, this sort of thing has to make you happy. The same thing is true any time I hear someone say "I have two left feet". I prove to them in just 15 minutes, they don't, and they can lead and follow almost any basic movement. I love seeing people smile and tell me "that's so much fun". So, to your question, how many years does it take for someone to get to that point in photography and teach effectively? More than many people think. One last thing. I agree about Simon's intelligence and summary videos. Oh, and you had to add the affiliate links issue (about software). There is a TH-cam photographer whom I am sure you know - who now is the spokes person for a certain noise reduction software. It probably didn't change the type of person they are or their integrity, but I stopped watching their channel. And then you had to add another thought - making money at what you love to do. One of my first dance instructors (Hall of Fame) was teaching a workshop/class - how fun it was to travel all over the world, compete, teach, etc. dance. He was not know for having a filter and said "Fun for you, because it's not your living". Of course, this isn't true for everyone, but your last thought brought this memory back to the forefront.
Great experiences and great points about teaching! Most people don't know I was schooled to teach and coach Physical Education and coached for years! Also served as a trainer for my businesses later on. All of these experiences are helpful and learning to show others HOW is a great asset. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@WildlifeInspired In addition to having a great "radio" (TH-cam) voice - your experience in teaching shows. Your honesty is appreciated. Keep up the wonderful "job" you do. You are clearly one that values education over pure gear talk - a rare breed - but appreciated none the less. Last thought - over the last couple of years I've reached out to some Canon "Explorers of Light" and Nikon Ambassadors. I was surprised that most took the time to share their knowledge, passion, and recommendations. Moral of the Story: It never hurts to ask.
Hi Scott, I am a young person (edging 16) who enjoys wildlife photography and confident in my ability towards it. This video as well as other videos of yours, have shown a great insight into what it’s like. Thank you, for sharing all of your sides and aspects you see about wildlife photography.
4 years sounds accurate, but can be quicker if you already living a lifestyle where you are spending a substantial amount of time in nature and exposed to animals a lot more. I feel like I grew up around outdoorsman, spent my 30's backpacking and hiking, now entering my 40's I'm focused on mixing all those endeavors. I feel like I've learned a lot in a short period of time but I'm eager to learn.
Great video. Thank you for the insight. I've been taking wildlife photos for about 10 years now, and due to disability I'm thinking about becoming a professional and trying to sell some things. Think I'm going to give print on demand calendars a shot to start out with. Maybe up my youtube game a little bit and see how it goes.
Great video. Honest view of getting into business. I’ve had three businesses, fortunately the main business was ok, the other two were hobby turned business in things I thought were great. Big mistake, not successful.
Fantastic video Scott. I've come to a similar conclusion doing wildlife work for a couple years. I have the advantage of being located in Costa Rica (formerly PA!) so running "international" workshops has potential with a lower cost for me (upfront travel costs). I've also come to the conclusion that for the time being it is a part-time job that needs to be matched with another job just like you.
I remember attending Art Wolfe's all day seminar and he said, that if you didn't NEED to make money from photography, dont. I have found that very freeing. its nice to get the validation of someone paying for your work but not worth the hassle it seems
Great video and content - I honestly have only been doing Wildlife Photography about 15 months - I've had many people reach out to me about selling prints, wanting to purchase, etc - to date I've refused to do that, few reasons, 1 - I don't feel there that great - 2 - I don't want it to become a J.O.B - I fear it'll take all the fun out of it. - to date I've only printed 3 of the 10's of thousands of images I've taken. - on the "EXPERT" front and how long it takes to achieve that status, my believe is this, IF, a person considers themselves an "EXPERT" (at anything) I usually suspect they are not. My believe is only patrons/customers get to decide this, or they're the only ones who opinion matters on it anyways. I had a Heating, Cooling and Plumbing Business for 30+ years - never considered myself an expert - but had many customers that would refer to me as such.
Thanks for your honesty Scott. I always thought making money doing photography is a hard business since everyone wants to do it. Same as acting/entertainment. Very few make good money doing it. .1% at best is my guess. I guess I need to keep my day job until I’m able to retire with enough money to do what I love (photography). In the mean time I’ll use my vacations to pursue my passions.
Most people enjoy looking at wildlife photos. But they don’t enjoy seeing those photos on the walls of their homes as decor. I enjoy wildlife photography as a hobby. I just can’t see how it will ever pay though
Another good way to make a living is to study biological science ie become a marine scientist similar environmental qualification . You then get to study specific species and invited to go an photograph for them to have access to people who need wildlife photoghers
Scott one thing you may want to know it is easier to publish your work to magazines if you can write text with your photos that way the editors job will be easier. I published for thirty years started in the slide days. I wasn't a writer but I married one and it worked thanks for the video Eric j. Hansen
Good video, thanks. I think it's hard to put a number on the years you have to put in to become "good" or "expert" at wildlife photography. Four years seems a good ballpark number for somebody who's putting in the hours, getting out a couple/few times a week and has the temperament to learn from their mistakes. I think there'll be a big difference between those coming to wildlife as their first photographic genre and those who already know their aperture from their ISO after working in other genres, so maybe you can lop a year off for people with a bit more basic knowledge. There's no doubt in my mind that wildlife is the hardest genre I've ever tried - I'm about four years in and I already knew my way around a camera when I started, but I still learn new things every single time I go out! I'm probably still a few years away from becoming objectively "good"! In my defence, I had a lot of family issues during that period and I work a full time job so opportunities are quite limited.
I have put a good 20 years and a great deal of work into my photo skills. In Washington I did natural light portrait, dance portfolio, birth, basically people photo work. I earned enough to feel good about it. I moved to SC and there is not the same interest. I've been doing wildlife photography to keep sharp but your video confirms what I am discovering...no money in this 🤷♀️ Very good video though...also just followed your Instagram 👍
Wildlife seems better as a hobby and if you decide to make money, it seems it is often at the cost of something else (integrity, protecting areas, etc.)
As expected with you, honest open kimono. I find I do alright on prints funny enough, as I control it end to end as I do my own and people actually like owls instead of those little things you shoot I guess heh. You will come for them one day. Also workshops and safari are a good time, I love the travel and i actually love helping people improve their skills and see amazing stuff they won't see everyday. Like you, not my full time gig yet, but will when I decide to retire. I don't want to do youtube no matter how much people want to see me yell at things heh
@@WildlifeInspired might go over well that podcast, and another thing that grinds my gears hehe. And really what wildlife photographer buys other wildlife photographers prints? I think I’ve sold 2 in 20 years. Send me your address I’ll send one of Charlotte’s
Hey Scott, about the time when you start to get good enough pictures to teach, i bet you are right for the most cases. But whats about people like me, doing photography every day 6-10h. 2.5 years, everyday 1500 clicks and at least 20-50 pictures that are good enough to keep and post process… So what’s about people doing more photography a week than a hobby photographer does in 2 month? I guess in my 2.5 years i did photographing much more than others in 10 years. Btw. i don’t plan to do workshops, but i belive i could, at least in the area i am out every day and know the behavior of my birds.
Certainly relevant. I am just trying to ballpark easy things. Hours invested might be a more reliable factor. Also a persons curiosity and practicality. Some people just learn and apply at a faster rate.
I've seen you replied most of comments ,,, i want to travel and i can do anything for this, so can i pursue wildlife photography also want to mention I'm gonna turn 25 in Dec 24 and I'm living with my parents with no job no savings i help them in farming and they fullfill my needs ,, Can i pursue photography how often you spend time with your family??
Thanks very much for this video, Scott! I’m a retiree hobbyist and post my photos on Facebook and Nextdoor. I sometimes get asked if I sell prints. Do you have any advice on how to sell adhoc prints without investing in the infrastructure to have a website or using something that handles a lot of it, but takes a large percentage? Thanks so much! - Scott Ellis
Thanks for commenting. With regard to print. I would say (if this is not an income) just rind a reputable printer, and produce something you are happy with. Let the income be secondary. When I sold my first few prints it was more about the honor of someone thinking my work was worthy.
nice talk, I am also chasing birds and other critters, sell some prints , but I am thinking easier ways to make money, got a duck flying through the woods, lucky mistake
There is a saying that you have to spend 10000 hours to be a expert. For a athlete you have to train 10000h to be competitive. If a full time work is about 2000h/year it means you have to be a full time wildlife photographer for 5 years to be good. On top of this you also have to have some talent and be humble. So 4 years seems to be in the ballpark of what is needed 😃
I have athletes (former) and that expression was used a lot. Even though most of the learning acome in the first 1000 hours, what separates most in that last 1000. It might only be 0.1% improvement but at a high level centimeters and milliseconds can make the difference.
I make about 25% of my total income via wildlife photography (selling my images as stock). While I absolutely love being afield and photographing critters, there is nothing fun or enjoyable about making money at it. I do so solely out of necessity, because I don't make quite enough to live on via the other things I do for a living. So my question for you and others is, if you have a good full time job that you make enough to live on, why would you try to make money at wildlife photography, instead of just enjoying it as a hobby? I mean, every hour you spend making videos or making content for your patreons could be more time spent in the field scouting locations, or time spent doing internet research on species that you are obsessed with, or time spent planning photo trips, or time spent actually photographing critters out in nature. I would love to know the motivation behind your decision to spend so much time monetizing your obsession, because I do not understand it, but I would really like to understand it.
I think I have shot a lot! and still enjoy it and when I decided to monetize it was to earm money to TRAVEL and explore without compromising my contribution to retirement. Also to see if there is an avenue. In many ways it was just an experiment and curiosity. I actually decided to pursue the angles I like (I actually enjoy TH-cam as a challenge and limited workshop because I can choose clients I enjoy!) For example, one day I want to do a solo book. I know it wont make money, but sometimes we create to create! (money is just iciing).
@@WildlifeInspired well the things you do to monetize your photography have not only given you a way to earn a few bucks, but also a way to show your work and share your insights with hundreds, or thousands, of others who also love to photograph wildlife. So perhaps the greatest benefit from all that you've done isn't even the money, but the connections that these monetizing endeavors have enabled you to make.
Very interesting watch. It makes me wonder how so many online wildlife photographers can afford to always have the newest gear when they aren't making much money. When a Z9 costs $5,550 and the supertelephotos are $3,200 to $14,000 the return doesn't seem to justify the investment. Us amateurs get by with our older gear and can only dream of having the latest and greatest. Where does the money come from for all their expensive equipment?
I struggle with this too. It's only a hobby for me, so I don't want to spend tens of thousands of dollars. But it's tempting when you see the photos taken with the expensive gear!
Ill be honest. The people buying that gear are usually loaded from other income. There are some with a big enough following and need to keep up. There people can afford the gear from wildlife (and keep in mind it is a write off!) So youre $10,000 will be written off against income.
Based on what most youtubers say, most photographers wildlife, landscape, and street photographer don't make money from there photography. The only way they make money is by teaching, sponcership on the videos, and having tours and seminars, ect. . Event photography seems to be the only way photographers actually make money toda, and that is dwindling. Now with AI comercial photographers are losing out. They don't even need models anymore.
😂 ducks are arshols, love it... I've never thought of that before, but you're right. Just when you want a shot they turn away and if you rustle a bag there so close your fighting them off 😅Great video Scott keep it up.
To be an expert; 15 hours of photography a week, for somewhere around 170-175 weeks. This takes you from 0 to 10k hours, if you dedicated yourself to learning you should be pretty advanced by that point
Not so. There are millions of people or customers who don't own a camera but buy a framed photo to decorate a wall. Very few people have the artistic skill to photigraph even if they own a smart phone. They lack the artistic skill to take a worthwhile photograph. Stock photo websites is a retail industry based on images taken by photographers
Think this one is similar to being an expert... rather then give it years... the normal groundrule is that you should have 10000 hours of experience. Means you need to make photos for 4 years with an average of 7hours a day every day... so I would say it's possible in 4 years but even that is low
While your not going to be able to make a living selling prints or photography as art there is some money to be made in it but you have to be pretty savvy with it. You need to think more like an interior decorator. Sure subject is important but color and texture is even more so. Printing and framing have to be high end quality anything less will bring it down. And you cannot under value your finished product, it has to be priced for profit. And don’t expect your customers to find you out you have to go to them. I’ve worked with many artists and they are the worst at marketing and presenting themselves.
This is seriously one area, that I struggle with. I am not sure it is something I will ever be great at, as I just don't have the drive or skill for print sales. Do you agree that people are often buying the artist as much as the work?
@@WildlifeInspired There might be something to that but sometimes it’s just a purchase from a gallery where they had no connection at all with the artist. A personal connection with the subject matter can also come into play. Commercial and medical type buildings can be a great market as well. They are interested in uplifting types of images.
Think this one is similar to being an expert... rather then give it years... the normal groundrule is that you should have 10000 hours of experience. Means you need to make photos for 4 years with an average of 7hours a day every day... so I would say it's possible in 4 years but even that is low. Ready for the grind?
This is why I stopped doing professional photography. It took the fun out of it with all the pros sure I had to make money. Doing it as a hobby again is so much more refreshing. I never want to make my hobby a job again.
Had the same experience.
Turning something you enjoy into a job is the best way to stop enjoying that thing.
I don't even do wildlife photography but I love watching wildlife TH-camrs. They are very informative about concepts, gear and techniques. I do sports and abstract photography.
Hey Scott, you are one of my favourites because you represent CREDIBILITY!
Means a lot!
Cool video Scott! Said it before, but I'll say it again...I love how you choose topics that are somewhat sensitive or controversial and discuss them in a very transparent and honest way, just like here. And your sense of humour is awesome...I love how you poke fun at so many things on IG, you really nail what I (and clearly many others) are thinking :). All the best with your endeavours!
Trying to keep it real. Not overly produced, and not an iphone video in my garage ranting about things..... just topical and hopefully something not being shared elsewhere.
Great video again…. My son was telling me that I should sell some of my pictures and that I sell myself short and he was going on and on about it… I had the impression that making money sell prints and calendars or other kinds of products would not be worth a good return on investment in my time invested (which your video pretty much confirms)! But the main reason, I am still not into this is because I do not want to take the pleasure of going out with my camera to shoot and do not want pressure to perform! Been there done that and got many t-shirts (you guessed it I am retired) That is IF what I produce is considered good work! So there it is!
We explore, try new things and live our lives. It sounds like the process gives you joy. That is a great thing!
Got some great advice early on and you touched on it. Don’t put yourself out there until you’ve got 5-10,000 solid images; five years of experienced work, and when groups besides family and friends seek your work or input. It’s proven to be true. Patience, persistence and perseverance. Lastly do t be afraid of no. You’ve nailed the income streams and the time frames. Great discussion.
Thanks Hayes!
4 years seriously, 100%. Looking for those 10,000 hours. This is a great video: extremely informative and realistic take on the industry. 🎉
Thanks. There is no substitute for experience
@WildlifeInspired couldn't agree more sir!
I am in about 6 years to wildlife... totally agree, at least 4 to get really decent. I poured my heart into it and a lot of time as i was grieving the loss of my husband... i would really like to make money from my photos, esp wildlife... i tend to sell some landscape pictures but wildlife is a much harder 'sell'... i am going to live in my minivan out west for 4 months this year... hoping to see a lot of new birds/critters! Enjoyed the video, the honest views and just understandable content - everyone i watch is so vague so i def liked and subscribed! :) Keep the videos coming!! :) New follower, here. :)
Few things caught my eye with this comment. Sorry for your loss and best luck on your journey.
Thanks for the honest input. The mention of uploading stock images is something I feel all photographers are torn about. The quick process of getting your work out there is alluring. However, it is like cutting off our fingers to eat.
Thanks. Straight honest information without trying to market stock affiliates or e-books.
This was such a valuable video! Thank you so much for being open and honest. I really do feel that you are one of the few youtubers who I wouldn't hesitate to actually hang out with in real life haha. Thanks for all your help!
I am very passionate about bird photography but I also have a full-time job. Sometimes that makes me feel like I am not a "real" photographer but this video really helped me set that notion aside.
Thank you so much!! I am much more introverted in real life. It take a couple bourbons before I become personable !
Haven’t ran across a video like this till now. Right on thanks! Just a hobby it remains! lol
Always enjoy your channel. I love Simon's also...to be fair I feel like what really catapulted his channel was linking up with Fototripper (Gavin Hardcastle). Your channel is as good and informative as any out there.
Thank you. I love Simon and sincerely happy for all his success. His sky rocket has been amazing to watch. He really does have easy to understand information and well done videos.
Nice video and information. Yes, it took me also 4 to 5 years before I start taking sharp images of wildlife. It's not easy as you rightly said and some people start teaching Wildlife Photography just after 2 yrs of experience that's the sad part. And yes, enjoy wildlife photography than getting into commercial.
Thanks! I’ve been photographing for about 60 years. This is some of the best advice given on making a living from photography. Much of this I learned the hard way. Like you, I kept the love of photography by having a full time job with benefits! (Nurse).
Keep up the good work. Really appreciate you and always learning a better way to photograph, have patience in the wild, and appreciate the lives of fellow creatures.
Thanks again,
Tom Thompson
Graeagle, California
Very welcome! (My son is a nurse, much love for the "real" medical professionals)
Great talk! I find you pleasingly unassuming, your words have meaning to me. When I watch your videos, I never have felt I wasted my time. Thank you! My bird photography started when I started birdwatching, many years ago, for documentation. Today, it has become a passionate, stand-alone hobby. Thus, making money at it is not my goal, but I have had photos chosen for auction in a fundraiser for a local conservation education non-profit. That is a contribution I am very proud of. Anyway, I thought this video was very eye-opening because I was curious about the business of wildlife photography beyond workshops shops & "how-to's". Thank you!
Thanks so much! Donating and fundraising is a great way to give back a little. I actually donate to local non profits and allow them to use images as no cost for they magazines and promotions.
Thank you Scott for this not-so-common topic, it’s very instructive even if you don’t want to make money but, at least, just share your work.
Glad it was helpful!
You're killing it. Your channel just appeared in my algorithm a week ago.
I assume the more you can put out the more you'll get seen. Hopefully it snowballs for ya
Thanks I just plug away 2-4 a month see whos interested. Just trying not to put out 10 video on "how to take sharper images"
Retired CFO of a private high school in RI. I started taking photos at games, concetts, plays at my school and posted on flickr for students to see and download. When I retired I was asked by the school photographer who does prom, graduation photos if I wanted to work for him doing school event photos (games, concerts, plays, etc.) That go to yearbook moderator. He has about 12 local high schools and I average about 2-3 jobs a week during school year. Great part-time job, not a huge money maker, but I'm around kids and doing just enough not to be bored in retirement.
As a Tollgate grad, I have to know the High School!
@@WildlifeInspired you're not gonna like this. I was at Bishop Hendricken from 1995-2021. When did you move to PA?
Scott, I really appreciate your honesty and candor. Thanks so much for sharing your experience. I'm nearing retirement and just starting with wildlife photography. I don't plan to make money with it, but it's interesting to understand it as a profession.
Thanks for your honesty
Simon is very good photographer and has excellent presentation skills. Thanks for sharing you insights about this niche. I will check more of your videos!
Great information, very knowledgeable, thanks for the tips ❤🎉
Thank you for sharing this advice!!
Excellent, honest presentation. That’s why I follow you..
My Oh My, Killer video, your honesty and willingness to share the difficulties of the journey as a wildlife photographer are spot on. I spent years researching the possibility and doing cost analysis and all the things you do to determine what you would need to do, not to make a living, but to have a reasonable supplemental income. I personally decided with all the taxes you pay, the market for your product which varies greatly where you live, the demand (or lack of) for wildlife photo's that it really wasn't worth doing for basically minimum wage. So I will sell a print here or there privately or at a craft show (rarely) but I give a lot of prints as gifts. I just love the hobby, it costs me money but it's a passion. I have a You Tube Channel, I feel good about my content but I do it to motivate others to get out and shoot and like sharing what I do, never did it to get monetized and like you said, the odds to make serious money are basically slim to none and I don't worry about it. I have a livestream, (temporarily), long story, once a week and feel like I work full time for $0.00. I'm slowing down a bit to do other things but I have a good time. Really am liking what you do and talk about, wish you nothing but the best. - Jeff
Thanks so much Jeff. In life if we have a job we enjoy (tolerate) and a hobby we love, I think we are doing okay.
@@WildlifeInspired I agree, we take the time to enjoy what's around us that so many take for granted and don't see so we are rewarded with a fantastic gift that is priceless.
Thanks
Thanks!!!
This came to me as a suggested video, had not seen any of yours before. Subscribed based on this. Very pertinent information and enjoy your photographic style also.
Oh shit. Great channel. Unless I shoot a one in a million shot I’m just going to keep it on the same page as the others. “Eagar but let’s not get too excited.”Probably the most down to earth video and guy I have watched. Salute.
Thanks!
I think the key to selling yourself is to have confidence. like you said earlier in the video, you dont have to be a great photographer to make money, you just have to know how to market yourself. If your goal is to book workshops, you need to have the self confidence to know that the work you do is on par or not better than the people who will book your workshop. I've been doing photography for a year, and I could certainly show my friend who has never used a DSLR how to shoot wildlife, but would I be able to teach Scott something with 7 or 8 more years of experience than me? Problably not. 4 years is good because most of the people booking your workshop will be newer than you, so you will have more to show. Less than 4 years, you run into the risk of trying to teach people who have been doing it longer than you. That would suck.
Love the genuine content! ❤
Such a great topic!! And your always so very transparent. As someone who doesn’t print many images or sell them, I’ve thought about how I could put myself and sell some of my work. You’ve made some great suggestions about selling strategies along with factors to think about in doing so. Great advice!
Thanks L
Hello, Scott. Hope you are continuing to feel better. I don’t think that I would ever consider trying to make a living as a wildlife photographer. I took up photography as a way of helping me to remember birds I’ve seen on my birding trips ( I realized a 62, I no longer could recall where I had seen such and such birds AND……..there are so many Antbirds). I am a birdwatcher first, closing in on 3000 species. I think it’s interesting that you mention the 4-5 yrs. of experience or 4 yrs. of focused seasonal dedication as being preparatory for then being able to instruct others. It matches the thought of 10,000 hrs. of experience to acquire mastery. I will also probably just put my own photos on my walls as they tend to lean more toward the scientific and lack the compositional qualities that make truly spectacular images.
Thanks for watching Josh 3.000 is impressive!
For a talking-head, you do a great job presenting solid information. For wildlife photography, I hate to even mention this because the images are a result of the best gear (along with his knowledge base). Moose Peterson's Hummingbird photos are about the best. I agree with you about Simon but I hope he's giving Gavin a little commission. Keep up your solid videos Scott, you're filling a needed niche.
Thanks so much. I'm trying to do a little different content. And gear and skill have been brought up a lot on this channel especially for certain types of photography.
Hi Scott, thank you for this video, very honest and informative. Subscribed because of it.
Awesome, thank you!
Very Informative Scott! Thank you for posting this!
Great video Scott. I love the detail, time, and how you shared your personal experience with TH-cam.
I think it’s interesting how we’re starting to see more people offer “workshops” now, and offering teaching services for lots of money when their photography and editing skills are not even as good as some of the best out there on Instagram (for example) that don’t even try to or consider offering those types of services.
My prediction is we’ll soon see a flooded market of people offering photography “workshops”
This is a real fear for many reasons...... hmmmmmmm the workshop bandwagon.. sounds like a video. The locations are my biggest fear I see it happening with a few spot already.
Great video Scott! I think you did a fantastic job summarizing all of the options for making money as a wildlife photographer. Over the last couple of years I have started to use my video background and add that to my arsenal. Stock footage is now an option that is growing at a rapid rate since Covid and offers us wildlife photographers another option moving forward.
informative, thanks for the insight and the links of inspiration. Its easy to get wrapped up in money and success. Important to remember the process and the engagement photography and art bring, especially with nature and wildlife.
Excellent video Scott. I could relate to a lot of what you said, and I found the part you talked openly about TH-cam an eye opener. Another way wildlife photographers make money is by offering the public to purchase masterclass software editing tools that people download. I think, but I'm not 100% sure the idea originated with landscape photographers. Thanks heaps for putting this together. regards Maria.
Thanks Maria
So well done; thank you so much for the guidance and transparency. I concur with everything you said.
Excellent thorough explanation. As a hobbyist thay I am, your video got my attention, as the topic is always underneath: how good and smart youtubers as you, with great content do on the financial/living side. Thanks for opening that part, that let me value even more your productions.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video and interesting topic. I've been in this situation for a long time, trying to make a living of my hobbies (strength training and motorcycle vids here on YT), and now I've dived head first into photography. My tip is to combine it with an "easy" "regular" job on the side. This job has to cover pretty much all expenses, and the photo/whichever hobby you want to make some money on, is just a bonus. Obvious, you might say, I agree. But in my experience, once you depend on your hobby for income, you've lost. This goes for most of us, unless you're in that 1% group that manages. You'll lose your creativity, passion and ultimately may end up burning completely out. Once you're forced to do the hobby you once loved because of sales, it's over. Keep your day job, perhaps reduce your position if you can, and continue to take pictures because YOU want to, and not to sell. My "plan" is to make an old school blog where I share a few words and the pictures I take. If I end up making some cash on it, cool, if not, couldn't care less as long as I'm enjoying my craft. Either way, good luck to whoever read this comment!
I'd work my FT job PT with health for 30% or the pay if I could
The best information on revenue through photography in a clear and transparent manner. Kudos 🙏🏻👌🏻
Glad you think so!
Well l think your channel is excellent content, l love your manner and your photography is beautiful but l especially like it when you have guests on your show. I’m here because l want to develop my photographic skills and your content inspires me, Keep up the good work Scott.
I appreciate that!
Very cool info. I do YT just for fun. In addition to actually record the footage, postprocessing my vids takes like a week or so, depending on length and complexity. But I enjoy the process. Cheers.
Very cool!
Great Video Scott. I've done it all. Shows. Published. Calenders. Tours. I've made great money doing shows. But not enough shows in my area to benefit. But always good to talk to people and be personal. Tours are new. (Snowy Owls) Which might be the way to a small amount to keep Shooting lol.
Great Vid. Love your work. Peace.
Thanks Todd!
Thank you for sharing. This was very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
It’s unexpected and therefore thought provoking and interesting..
Since I got into photography as a way to capture some of the enjoyable moments spent in creation, I really can't fathom why I would ruin that by having to switch my focus to business related matters. There's few things as enjoyable as watching 7+ Wood Duck ducklings scurrying across the water or a Green Heron posing in some of their impossible poses as they hunt. Still I enjoy your candor and it's nice to see something on TH-cam that isn't sensational related.
Thanks, there is a dilemma about monetizing a hobby
I'd love to hear your view of Art Storefronts, they help artists learn to market and sell online via a custom website that they build and maintain. I've been listening to their podcasts and videos and social media stuff and it looks like a killer option, for those of us willing to put the hard work in. The website has print on demand feature, meaning the artist doesn't deal with printing, framing, shipping, none of it. I'm planning to sign up with them next year.
I will see if I know of anyone using their services. I have not
Scott, you've always been on point, but over the last few months, things are even better! Just a quick thing on the "teaching workshops after 2 years experience". I've seen much the same in dance - with someone having only the experience of a few group classes charging the same as true US Champions for private lessons. There are many that bite on this experience, because they either think a true professional would not be interested in teaching them, or would prefer a friend teach them (not realizing how little the "friend" knows. Whether you believe in the Dunning-Kruger findings, or not, the concept certainly applies - in that some with a little ability/education over value their worth and abilities. As in dance, workshops are much more cost effective for the teacher, but in general, much less valuable for the client. As for a typical time to become an expert? Oh my goodness! I would have no idea. I believe the sign of an excellent teacher is one that can find a way (be it visual, auditory, mathematical, conceptual - or story telling) to reach any "client" wanting to learn - because each persons way of learning is unique. So you might know your way around a camera and wildlife in 4 years, but learning to become a good teacher - if we are being honest - likely takes far longer unless we've taught successfully before. This past weekend, I was proud that I taught a woman with an interest, but little prior experience - on understanding exposure, aperture and relevance of f-stops, shutter speed, and how ISO figures in to the thought process - well enough that she went out and shot and used the information as she was shooting to help get the image she wanted. Using my little "trick" she was able to recall all f-stop numbers and know their relevance on the fly so she could make the adjustments needed in the field. My "lesson" was free, but as a teacher, this sort of thing has to make you happy. The same thing is true any time I hear someone say "I have two left feet". I prove to them in just 15 minutes, they don't, and they can lead and follow almost any basic movement. I love seeing people smile and tell me "that's so much fun". So, to your question, how many years does it take for someone to get to that point in photography and teach effectively? More than many people think. One last thing. I agree about Simon's intelligence and summary videos. Oh, and you had to add the affiliate links issue (about software). There is a TH-cam photographer whom I am sure you know - who now is the spokes person for a certain noise reduction software. It probably didn't change the type of person they are or their integrity, but I stopped watching their channel. And then you had to add another thought - making money at what you love to do. One of my first dance instructors (Hall of Fame) was teaching a workshop/class - how fun it was to travel all over the world, compete, teach, etc. dance. He was not know for having a filter and said "Fun for you, because it's not your living". Of course, this isn't true for everyone, but your last thought brought this memory back to the forefront.
Great experiences and great points about teaching! Most people don't know I was schooled to teach and coach Physical Education and coached for years! Also served as a trainer for my businesses later on. All of these experiences are helpful and learning to show others HOW is a great asset. Thanks for pointing that out.
@@WildlifeInspired In addition to having a great "radio" (TH-cam) voice - your experience in teaching shows. Your honesty is appreciated. Keep up the wonderful "job" you do. You are clearly one that values education over pure gear talk - a rare breed - but appreciated none the less. Last thought - over the last couple of years I've reached out to some Canon "Explorers of Light" and Nikon Ambassadors. I was surprised that most took the time to share their knowledge, passion, and recommendations. Moral of the Story: It never hurts to ask.
Great video. Thanks!
Hi Scott, I am a young person (edging 16) who enjoys wildlife photography and confident in my ability towards it. This video as well as other videos of yours, have shown a great insight into what it’s like. Thank you, for sharing all of your sides and aspects you see about wildlife photography.
4 years sounds accurate, but can be quicker if you already living a lifestyle where you are spending a substantial amount of time in nature and exposed to animals a lot more. I feel like I grew up around outdoorsman, spent my 30's backpacking and hiking, now entering my 40's I'm focused on mixing all those endeavors. I feel like I've learned a lot in a short period of time but I'm eager to learn.
Great video. Thank you for the insight. I've been taking wildlife photos for about 10 years now, and due to disability I'm thinking about becoming a professional and trying to sell some things. Think I'm going to give print on demand calendars a shot to start out with. Maybe up my youtube game a little bit and see how it goes.
Great video. Honest view of getting into business. I’ve had three businesses, fortunately the main business was ok, the other two were hobby turned business in things I thought were great. Big mistake, not successful.
Fantastic video Scott. I've come to a similar conclusion doing wildlife work for a couple years. I have the advantage of being located in Costa Rica (formerly PA!) so running "international" workshops has potential with a lower cost for me (upfront travel costs). I've also come to the conclusion that for the time being it is a part-time job that needs to be matched with another job just like you.
Thanks for sharing!
I remember attending Art Wolfe's all day seminar and he said, that if you didn't NEED to make money from photography, dont. I have found that very freeing. its nice to get the validation of someone paying for your work but not worth the hassle it seems
Great video and content - I honestly have only been doing Wildlife Photography about 15 months - I've had many people reach out to me about selling prints, wanting to purchase, etc - to date I've refused to do that, few reasons, 1 - I don't feel there that great - 2 - I don't want it to become a J.O.B - I fear it'll take all the fun out of it. - to date I've only printed 3 of the 10's of thousands of images I've taken. - on the "EXPERT" front and how long it takes to achieve that status, my believe is this, IF, a person considers themselves an "EXPERT" (at anything) I usually suspect they are not. My believe is only patrons/customers get to decide this, or they're the only ones who opinion matters on it anyways. I had a Heating, Cooling and Plumbing Business for 30+ years - never considered myself an expert - but had many customers that would refer to me as such.
Solid point. Being judged by peers and clients is probably, no definitely is the best validation.
Thanks for your honesty Scott. I always thought making money doing photography is a hard business since everyone wants to do it. Same as acting/entertainment. Very few make good money doing it. .1% at best is my guess. I guess I need to keep my day job until I’m able to retire with enough money to do what I love (photography). In the mean time I’ll use my vacations to pursue my passions.
Most people enjoy looking at wildlife photos. But they don’t enjoy seeing those photos on the walls of their homes as decor. I enjoy wildlife photography as a hobby. I just can’t see how it will ever pay though
Interesting Scott. Big question: Where do I buy the duck hat? PS I'm retired, and will remain a hobbiest.
www.ducksareassholes.com
Another good way to make a living is to study biological science ie become a marine scientist similar environmental qualification . You then get to study specific species and invited to go an photograph for them to have access to people who need wildlife photoghers
Scott one thing you may want to know it is easier to publish your work to magazines if you can write text with your photos that way the editors job will be easier. I published for thirty years started in the slide days. I wasn't a writer but I married one and it worked thanks for the video Eric j. Hansen
Agree!!! I wish I could write better. My brain thinks in bullet points and it's awful for captions!
Good video, thanks. I think it's hard to put a number on the years you have to put in to become "good" or "expert" at wildlife photography. Four years seems a good ballpark number for somebody who's putting in the hours, getting out a couple/few times a week and has the temperament to learn from their mistakes. I think there'll be a big difference between those coming to wildlife as their first photographic genre and those who already know their aperture from their ISO after working in other genres, so maybe you can lop a year off for people with a bit more basic knowledge. There's no doubt in my mind that wildlife is the hardest genre I've ever tried - I'm about four years in and I already knew my way around a camera when I started, but I still learn new things every single time I go out! I'm probably still a few years away from becoming objectively "good"! In my defence, I had a lot of family issues during that period and I work a full time job so opportunities are quite limited.
Good point about changing genres !
I have put a good 20 years and a great deal of work into my photo skills. In Washington I did natural light portrait, dance portfolio, birth, basically people photo work. I earned enough to feel good about it. I moved to SC and there is not the same interest. I've been doing wildlife photography to keep sharp but your video confirms what I am discovering...no money in this 🤷♀️
Very good video though...also just followed your Instagram 👍
Wildlife seems better as a hobby and if you decide to make money, it seems it is often at the cost of something else (integrity, protecting areas, etc.)
@@WildlifeInspired absolutely. No matter what it is a wonderful adventure!
As expected with you, honest open kimono. I find I do alright on prints funny enough, as I control it end to end as I do my own and people actually like owls instead of those little things you shoot I guess heh. You will come for them one day. Also workshops and safari are a good time, I love the travel and i actually love helping people improve their skills and see amazing stuff they won't see everyday. Like you, not my full time gig yet, but will when I decide to retire. I don't want to do youtube no matter how much people want to see me yell at things heh
Rants with Vince! One thing I promise, ill never buy an owl print from you love you or not.
@@WildlifeInspired might go over well that podcast, and another thing that grinds my gears hehe. And really what wildlife photographer buys other wildlife photographers prints? I think I’ve sold 2 in 20 years. Send me your address I’ll send one of Charlotte’s
What made you pick Spring as ur print on demand? I’ve looked into a few- what made you decide on that one?
Excellent Scott. Here's hoping this video brings in more than $31. 🙂
fingers crossed lol
Hey Scott, about the time when you start to get good enough pictures to teach, i bet you are right for the most cases. But whats about people like me, doing photography every day 6-10h. 2.5 years, everyday 1500 clicks and at least 20-50 pictures that are good enough to keep and post process… So what’s about people doing more photography a week than a hobby photographer does in 2 month? I guess in my 2.5 years i did photographing much more than others in 10 years. Btw. i don’t plan to do workshops, but i belive i could, at least in the area i am out every day and know the behavior of my birds.
Certainly relevant. I am just trying to ballpark easy things. Hours invested might be a more reliable factor. Also a persons curiosity and practicality. Some people just learn and apply at a faster rate.
@@WildlifeInspired thats true Scott
I've seen you replied most of comments ,,, i want to travel and i can do anything for this, so can i pursue wildlife photography also want to mention I'm gonna turn 25 in Dec 24 and I'm living with my parents with no job no savings i help them in farming and they fullfill my needs ,,
Can i pursue photography how often you spend time with your family??
No Morton Hilmer?
Thanks very much for this video, Scott! I’m a retiree hobbyist and post my photos on Facebook and Nextdoor. I sometimes get asked if I sell prints. Do you have any advice on how to sell adhoc prints without investing in the infrastructure to have a website or using something that handles a lot of it, but takes a large percentage? Thanks so much!
- Scott Ellis
Thanks for commenting. With regard to print. I would say (if this is not an income) just rind a reputable printer, and produce something you are happy with. Let the income be secondary. When I sold my first few prints it was more about the honor of someone thinking my work was worthy.
No camo hats or clothing in your line. 😥 excellent topic
Maybe Ill revisit the clothes havent messed with that project in a while.
nice talk, I am also chasing birds and other critters, sell some prints , but I am thinking easier ways to make money, got a duck flying through the woods, lucky mistake
There is a saying that you have to spend 10000 hours to be a expert. For a athlete you have to train 10000h to be competitive. If a full time work is about 2000h/year it means you have to be a full time wildlife photographer for 5 years to be good. On top of this you also have to have some talent and be humble. So 4 years seems to be in the ballpark of what is needed 😃
I have athletes (former) and that expression was used a lot. Even though most of the learning acome in the first 1000 hours, what separates most in that last 1000. It might only be 0.1% improvement but at a high level centimeters and milliseconds can make the difference.
Four years is the basic apprenticeship in most trade's. Expert level, closer to ten years. In Canada anyway.
I make about 25% of my total income via wildlife photography (selling my images as stock). While I absolutely love being afield and photographing critters, there is nothing fun or enjoyable about making money at it. I do so solely out of necessity, because I don't make quite enough to live on via the other things I do for a living.
So my question for you and others is, if you have a good full time job that you make enough to live on, why would you try to make money at wildlife photography, instead of just enjoying it as a hobby? I mean, every hour you spend making videos or making content for your patreons could be more time spent in the field scouting locations, or time spent doing internet research on species that you are obsessed with, or time spent planning photo trips, or time spent actually photographing critters out in nature. I would love to know the motivation behind your decision to spend so much time monetizing your obsession, because I do not understand it, but I would really like to understand it.
I think I have shot a lot! and still enjoy it and when I decided to monetize it was to earm money to TRAVEL and explore without compromising my contribution to retirement. Also to see if there is an avenue. In many ways it was just an experiment and curiosity. I actually decided to pursue the angles I like (I actually enjoy TH-cam as a challenge and limited workshop because I can choose clients I enjoy!) For example, one day I want to do a solo book. I know it wont make money, but sometimes we create to create! (money is just iciing).
@@WildlifeInspired well the things you do to monetize your photography have not only given you a way to earn a few bucks, but also a way to show your work and share your insights with hundreds, or thousands, of others who also love to photograph wildlife. So perhaps the greatest benefit from all that you've done isn't even the money, but the connections that these monetizing endeavors have enabled you to make.
This was intresting
Thanks!
Very interesting watch. It makes me wonder how so many online wildlife photographers can afford to always have the newest gear when they aren't making much money. When a Z9 costs $5,550 and the supertelephotos are $3,200 to $14,000 the return doesn't seem to justify the investment. Us amateurs get by with our older gear and can only dream of having the latest and greatest. Where does the money come from for all their expensive equipment?
I struggle with this too. It's only a hobby for me, so I don't want to spend tens of thousands of dollars. But it's tempting when you see the photos taken with the expensive gear!
Ill be honest. The people buying that gear are usually loaded from other income. There are some with a big enough following and need to keep up. There people can afford the gear from wildlife (and keep in mind it is a write off!) So youre $10,000 will be written off against income.
Based on what most youtubers say, most photographers wildlife, landscape, and street photographer don't make money from there photography. The only way they make money is by teaching, sponcership on the videos, and having tours and seminars, ect. . Event photography seems to be the only way photographers actually make money toda, and that is dwindling. Now with AI comercial photographers are losing out. They don't even need models anymore.
I would never sell my prints for less than $250 for the print. No way in hell would I sell my prints for less.
I enjoyed your video, i do stock photos shouting, i want sale photos video guid in this matter?
I always assumed I’d never make any real money trying to sell my pictures. This just confirms it. Stick to my day job, lol!
😂 ducks are arshols, love it... I've never thought of that before, but you're right. Just when you want a shot they turn away and if you rustle a bag there so close your fighting them off 😅Great video Scott keep it up.
I thought everyone doing this was getting rich selling NFTs🤣. Great information on your channel.
Retiring off NFT sales on social media suckerssssssss
To be an expert; 15 hours of photography a week, for somewhere around 170-175 weeks. This takes you from 0 to 10k hours, if you dedicated yourself to learning you should be pretty advanced by that point
Not so. There are millions of people or customers who don't own a camera but buy a framed photo to decorate a wall. Very few people have the artistic skill to photigraph even if they own a smart phone. They lack the artistic skill to take a worthwhile photograph. Stock photo websites is a retail industry based on images taken by photographers
Think this one is similar to being an expert... rather then give it years... the normal groundrule is that you should have 10000 hours of experience. Means you need to make photos for 4 years with an average of 7hours a day every day... so I would say it's possible in 4 years but even that is low
While your not going to be able to make a living selling prints or photography as art there is some money to be made in it but you have to be pretty savvy with it. You need to think more like an interior decorator. Sure subject is important but color and texture is even more so. Printing and framing have to be high end quality anything less will bring it down. And you cannot under value your finished product, it has to be priced for profit. And don’t expect your customers to find you out you have to go to them. I’ve worked with many artists and they are the worst at marketing and presenting themselves.
This is seriously one area, that I struggle with. I am not sure it is something I will ever be great at, as I just don't have the drive or skill for print sales. Do you agree that people are often buying the artist as much as the work?
@@WildlifeInspired There might be something to that but sometimes it’s just a purchase from a gallery where they had no connection at all with the artist. A personal connection with the subject matter can also come into play. Commercial and medical type buildings can be a great market as well. They are interested in uplifting types of images.
So basically...don't get into this game if you want to own a Ferrari 😂
Or any car worth more than your camera...
Birders get all the chicks.
Only a toy one .... hopefully
cool video and it's true that the ducks sucks😁
Think this one is similar to being an expert... rather then give it years... the normal groundrule is that you should have 10000 hours of experience. Means you need to make photos for 4 years with an average of 7hours a day every day... so I would say it's possible in 4 years but even that is low. Ready for the grind?
Want to be a wildlife photographer? Become a dentist
0:44 : why a duck giving a finger?!
www.ducksareassholes.com it was just a little funny logo I made when ducks were frustrating me one winter
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Well, You made me « like & subscribe » :) l’ve been watching you for a while… entertaining, funny and no BS … keep having FUN… for poorer or richer ;)
8:25 HORRIBLE !!!
Assume you mean using stock images?
@@WildlifeInspired I mean selling my images as stock, too much work and grind for pennies and nickels
@@WildlifeInspired also drains your creativity, leads you to be more of a technician rather than an artist
Can we get a camo ducks are assholes hat
absolutely