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Who Outsmarts ?
(Johan Liebert VS Patrick Jane)
#johan #patrick #manipulation
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Bit correction..
NFS : can go either way
IRL : Jane Mid diffs
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i think nfs still goes to jp ,i understand that the cases itself are fs but he just gets too many points to even consider nfs going to johan ,and if seriously johan have not even close by feats to pj
I still have bit issue with your video. It lacks each categories with diff. It felt like you didn't put effort into it, y'know. Sorry, I like editors that put diff for each categories.
I'll rate it, 3/5.
@@davidarvingumazon5024 there are not many who put diffs for every category ,thats pretty hard and indeed its not really very needed
NFS does not go either way it clearly goes to Johan stop meat riding jane
What does nfs and fs mean. Explain
Patrick Jane as a villaim would be a scary thing as he knows how to hypnotise
Probably a bigger menace than hannibal honestly.
If he was a villain that'd be terrifying
@@PJ_enjoyer😂
@@PJ_enjoyer We need a fanfic where Patrick works on a case tied to the Red John case where a string of murders all tie to a man named Tenma but Jane knows he is innocent so he uses Tenma to attract Johan
But Johan doesnt fall for it and instead sends an assassin to the CBI where Jane hypnotises the assassin but Johan, seeing the use fade of the hitman has him kill himself.
The replies can furthen this story
@@PJ_enjoyer He dont scales higher then hannibal
Overall EQ Johan (Very Close) İMO.
I almost completely agree with everything else. W video and fax. (NFS is debatable)
BOTH ARE GOATED
Ye NFS can go either way, I also agree with everything else , this is a W edit
@@itskatagitiyuiichi Yeah, NFS could be either way, W opinion
@@itskatagitiyuiichiit could not go either way johan has shown far better nfs feats Lmao
@@Nextkejactually Johan folds patrick in rls it's just my opinion
@@andydufresne6374 lol patrick low diff johan in rls
Overall, Patrick mid diff.
VCI, Planing, Linguistic, EQ for johan (VCI and EQ are debatable).
W + Fax
Amazing Edit!😮
@@Antonio21563Linguistic intel definitely goes to Johan. I haven't read Monster, so correct me if i'm wrong, but didnt Johan master multiple languages? I also heard he even taught some people languages as well.
@@darrksYes correct. In addition to speaking multiple languages, Johan also has a persuasive ability that borders on the surreal; with a few words he can convince even the merriest person to take his own life.
@@darrkshe knows latin, czech, german, french and english + he improved Karl latin capabilities
amazing edit. I disagree only with vci and linguistic skills, I think this goes to johan(maybe vci to both) and direct manipulation both. Overall eq could go either way
direct goes to Jane, EU debatable EP Jane no question
@@garyzhu1913 Yes, I watched more episodes of The Mentalist and changed my opinion. Jane takes EP easily and EU is close but Jane takes it.
Overall eq
EQP=Jane
EQU= jane
Eqe= jane
Eqm= johan
@@garyzhu1913 for direct manip imo is both
Eq ain’t close pj is better
Jane is just a smarter character overall but if he were to encounter Johan in a Cat and Mouse situation to try and put him behind bars, he simply couldn’t. Johan is too good at direct and emotional manipulation and would get himself out of most sticky situations that would put him in jeopardy. Jane would read him very well although Johan is too cunning to get himself caught in any of his tricks
What makes u think jane would be putting johan behind the bars instead of killing him
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Jane wouldn't even try to put him behind bars. One example is san joaquin serial killer where jane indirectly manipulated red john to get that guy killed. Jane doesn't hesitate to kill someone if he deems the person dangerous
@@Sns-gp7rvJohan is a more experienced marksman than Jane so that wouldn’t end up going well
@@Sns-gp7rv Keep that Mid Jane ngga away from my G.O.A.T.
Bro this edit is just perfection 😮🔥
Thanks 🔥
Nirox dropping one of the best edits 🔥🔥
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VCI goes to Johan (i think?) And you can give johan Planning if you wanna be lenient. NFS is close. FS is Low- mid for Jane. Overall Eq is very close and it goes either way. W vid + edit fr. Overall Jane Mid diffs
Please can someone explain me these terms? I can't find them on google and I have idea of what a VCI or a GAYI is and I really wanna know
@@lukeladin WMI - Working Memory Index
PSI- Processing Speed Index
VCI- Verbal Comprehension Index
VSI- Visual Spatial Index
FRI- Fluid Reasoning Index
CPI - WMI + PSI
GAI- PRI + VCI
PRI- VSI + FRI
You can search the specifics on internet or the "WAIS" full scale iq method
@@Rebelfr wasnt vci -visual spatIal index/?
@@mazureqpno lol
Eq to patrick jane,high-very high diff
If baku beat PJ very high diff
PJ low-mid diff johan (maybe lower)
(I watched all mantalist and monster)
facts
baku insane diff patrick or could go either way ,and in rls patrick high diff
@@cochelper1736 baku very high - extreme diffs patrick (depending on situation), patrick does beat baku in RLS (very high diff) but johan comes no where near close to these two
@@owen3548 nah,baku insane diff pj or could go either way , baku and pj are kinda same but still yaa baku insane diff , and yes rls is correct and in C&M situation pj high diff
Please can someone explain me these terms? I can't find them on google and I have idea of what a VCI or a GAYI is and I really wanna know
Ok, what the hell is lateral thk, what advantaje will thinking sideways bring you?
Search WISC terms or WAIS terms
@@ishowvkthank you very much :)
You know, considering Jane's past (which is pretty public knowledge) and all the shit that happens with him throughout the series, and considering his more self destructive and sociopathic tendencies, if they were to go at eachother, there is a high chance that Johan could make Jane kill himself. Or he could just make some random CBI employee kill him, or some random pedastrian.
And I mean, in the Mentalist we constantly see Red John outsmart Jane, the only reason he gets found out is because of a series of mistakes. Johan doesn't really make mistakes, except when he wants Tenma to find him, and during Ruhenheim, but at that point it doesn't matter to him because his plan was to die anyways. Like he is so good that the police didn't even believe he existed until after Munich, which is when he changed his plans, and he wasn't *as* careful because he planned to get shot by Tenma at the ceremony.
johan can never kill him not even in 1000years of life , and rj was winning only due to his influence but as Patrick gain experience and more time on case he at last outsmart red john
@@cochelper1736 Johan has the same level of, if not more, influence as Red John. But unlike Red John, Johan in this scenario has no motive to play cat and mouse with Jane, he would just get rid of him the first chance he gets.
And he has a lot, and I mean a LOT of ways to kill Jane. He could use Janes mental state, his lost family, his lost friends and lover, his willing drug abuse to get to him and make him kill himself. He could get a random CBI/FBI agent to kill Jane, he could get a random pedestrian to kill Jane, he could hire hitman, he could use his followers, he could frame him for crimes and use the police, he could literally just burn down the CBI/FBI HQ Jane's at, he could get some random serial killer to kill Jane, the possibilities are endless really.
Johan isn't RJ, he isn't in it for the game or for fun, he's there to kill, so he will kill.
@@istvankeri6688 that not how it works , as per that logic even Jane could manipulate anyone to kill Johan , the fact that Patrick could manipulate far deeper than Johan using hypnosis , and ya Johan has very much chance against pre cbi Patrick , but there is 0% against current Jane
You overestimate Johan, he is much more stupid than Red John. Jane makes very few mistakes, John beat him in many ways because of his influence. Patrick almost caught John several times, but his accomplices either committed suicide or were killed. You underestimate Jane's psyche very much, it's impossible to make him lose his temper, which can't be said about Johan, for example, when he saw a book about an Unnamed Monster in the library.
@@ВеликолепнаяВосьмёркаЗВ You talk about Red Johns influence beating Jane, as if Johan didn't have the secret police of Czechoslovakia, extremist organizations throughout Germany, dozens of serial killers across Europe and the German economy both underground and otherwise under his thumb. He could, again, also get basically anyone to do what he wants them to.
And you overestimate Jane's mental stability. Not only does he lose his cool more times than Johan does, but he also was in a mental institute for years, is a repeat drug abuser and also has people he cares about which would be a big weakness in this matchup.
And unlike Red John, Johan doesn't have a discernible identity. He rarely shows up himself. He also made fewer mistakes than Red John. Johan was only sloppy twice in the story, both times he was planning to die, so lose ends didn't really matter. Red John constantly makes mistakes, even if he manages to clean a lot of them up.
Its crazy how underrated johan is nowdays..
Not really most people nowadays just don’t appreciate good writing, but aye, that’s on their brains, eyes, and emotions. Johan will always be my favorite antagonist of all time and I don’t think that’ll ever change. Not in this lifetime.
@@richboi6685same bro😂
@@richboi6685 read reverend insanity , umineko , usogui , I am the fated villian etc.
Then your opinion would get flipped like a switch lol.
@@richboi6685saying johan is the best in writing is the stupidest statement I have ever heard
Patrick is just simply stomps in stop scaling
W edit..🪓🔥
Overall: patrick high diff.
Mid high diff
the monster will always defeat the superhuman (ubermensh) because of their main difference in the love of life. As Hitler said about a person who loves nothing in the world can comprehend all the boundaries of it.
@@sykkoykocvtqv by your logic Jeffrey dahmer >>>>jack the ripper
@@sussy-gussy You don't quite understand what I mean by monster. Jeffrey Dahmer was guided by his feelings, the pleasures that brought him the killing of black people. But Johan is another antagonist, rather an original evil, which is not prevalent for us people in the form of hydonism. We will never be able to understand Johan, and even if we did, we would not watch it all. Read "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" by Friedrich Nietzsche, all my arguments come down to this book. P.S. I speak English very badly and I translate it all through the prism of a Russian-English translator, sorry
just like jack the ripper, all these people had a goal, whether it was to free this world from dirty creatures, to kill all the villains, thereby becoming a villain. All these paths (goals) are absolutely human in nature, and even the BRUTAL ways to achieve them look humane. A monster or an ubermensh(superhuman) will always prevail over a person, if I give an example from real life, I would say that the zodiac is somewhat similar to Johan.
naaah not at all watch just first episode of the mentalist and thats enough to negg johan
johan underrated af, patrick more feats, but johan has narrative feats too
Johan has no feats bro
@@garyzhu1913 he had, but mostly off-screen feats.
W insane edit although I’m gonna start the mentalist soon
Have you started it
@@MrDiceZack yeah I finished it. Overall I think Patrick Jane high diffs Johan
@@devaxionrl8189 I agree
Aint no way i can understand all of that points dawg💀
So easy just read some docs about character feat explanation all the points are present there
@@Userizekai123Where are You?
Why did the song cut off
Copyright
W edit ❤
This is a versus i wasn't expecting to find
Wtf I see this Patrick Jane guy winning against really smart characters I guess I’m going to watch his series then btw does is have a book too?
I recommend it!
He really is a cunning character that likes mind games as an consultant in the series.
@@TheFoolDeck I just finished episode 1 a while ago and the way he set the man up is insane that feat alone makes him surpasses Yuuichi easily
@@TheFoolDeck Btw is there a book on the series?
@@namelessmonsterr I don't think it has a book... But if there is, it is not the story of the series. Because Bruno Heller the writer of "The Mentalist" hasn't made a book of it as far as I know.
@@namelessmonsterr are you still watching the series? whats your opinion on PJ overall
You earned a sub,it's the best edit about Patrick Goat,I have seen so far,edit is awesome🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
bro really clap johan too hard.
Patrick Jane seguramente descubriría a Johan. Su caso es similar al de Red John; pero menos complicado debido a que Johan realmente no le importa ser descubierto.
En todo caso, en outsmarting Johan sí se lleva la delantera... Tiene mejores feats que PJ.
En lo demás, PJ arrasa (High-Diff)
Que hazañas de johan son mejores que las de Patrick
@@jhonnyCrack174 ¿En outsmarting? Lol, ¿por dónde empezar? Ah, bueno, sí...
Quizá el burlar a varias agencias europeas de seguridad te suene de algo.
O eso de manipular la economía mundial a su gusto para obtener una capital predominante también.
No sé, tú dime.
tell me a feat of johan that is better.bro is featless monster fr
@@amir-h1c3w I just said it.
And don't say the "featless" bullshit if you don't want to get humiliated out of here.
@@amir-h1c3wRuenheim
I like the way you put The ordinary life and Fanf song😮
The song cut off 😔
Massive edit
Charm and manipulation goes to patrick
No
Nah watch monster
Its hard to understand complex manga like monster
Johan wins mid diff.
So complex manga = smarter?
*COPE*
Cope better
Overall eq, any linguistic Category and body kenstetic goes to Johan and so does self awareness and cat and mouse situation johan wins high diff
Lol no, Patrick wins with medium-high difficulty.
A rival for Patrick would be Sherlock Holmes (BBC).
@@crowgaming9539 in a NLF (car and mouse) Johan has far better feats lol
@@NextkejJohan>>>>Red John
@@vincenzo1142good joke man
Edit app?
Alight motion
oh why i love this man 👤
Bodily/Kinesthesic intelligence, linguistic intelligence, anticipation, planning to Johan
Crazy take patrick jane is literraly the strongest mentalist of all time , he can use hypnos and suggestion in a more realistic and more complex way that johan , anticipation goes everytime to patrick , for planning I agree and PJ takes all intelligence points its obv
@@Urek2766 in mind control I agree with you
But tell me the best feat he has of planning and anticipation, or why he is better than Johan in kinesthetic and linguistic intelligence
@@blazi5218 For anticipation it goes with Cold reading, and I think there's no real debate on that since it's pj's strong point, for Linguistic intelligence I don't remember any feats by pj so I'll give it to Johan and for kinesthetic intelligence pj takes this point quite easily given that as a mentalist he knows perfectly well how to control every part of his body from the muscles of his face to attract attention or even hypnotize his targets, and for Johan he has quite a few feats on that point but not enough work imo to be compared to those of pj
@@Urek2766 You have good points, but the anticipation is still debatable even with pj's cold reading. Johan has been able to anticipate several events throughout monster, since he was 10 years old in kinderheim 511 that he destroyed from within, he anticipated and calculated everyone's actions so that they killed each other, the same thing happened in the town of the massacre at the end from monster. In linguistic intelligence, Johan is someone who is fluent in several languages, learning them in a very short time, has remarkable verbal comprehension and linguistic intelligence. As for kinesthetic intelligence, Johan was trained with various military martial arts, having remarkable kinesthetic skills as he was trained to be the perfect soldier, this can also be seen in Grimmer who received the same training as Johan and can quickly kill several men armed, which also counts as kinesthetic intelligence
It should also be noted that Johan has faced much more complex challenges since he was a child than those faced by pj
@@Urek2766 Unfortunately we can't see Johan much due to his mystery as a character, unlike pj we can see his abilities directly in everything moment
My Childhood (Patrick Jane)
Vs
My favorite Anime Character (Johan Liebert)
My Childhood wins
W Edit 🗿🍷
Siesta vs Junko (full-scale) please
Felt intense till the end
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@@TheRealNirox bro the audio is gone after 4 sec. Just telling
What do these stats even mean
Patrick best MC.
Johan would win. Patrick Jane including all the plotholes and plot armor would still be unable, only convinient hollywood chars can fight him 1v1. Tob e honest, both of them are full of plot armor, but just the fact Johan uses assasins would be end for Patrick jane. Johan wins no diff.
Patrick Jane🔥🔥🥶
No one can take away the point of CHARISMA from JOHAN LIEBERT
The song fitt sp well in John liebert ❤️
Multicolour aura vs literal devil aura
Patrick no diff
In Real Life Situation Johan High Diffs.
W.the one who didn't overrated johan
yes he underrated him tbh
PJ no concept of diff
"cry", "cry harder" got me laughing
I feel like you overrated Patrick & heavily underrated Johan (not surprised though) but fair enough.
Actually he's not PJ mid diff at best johan is overrated with full off screen feats or theorical feats
@@Urek2766 Once again you’re suing this poor and baseless argument.
Complexity & thought process ≠ better, in fact it's actually the opposite, seemingly simple yet effective methods for end result are superior, it being offscreen doesn't mean it wasn't explained or was an asspull, Monster just doesn't spoon feed the audience breakdowns of said actions. The outcome should be measured based on what the character did, not how good the scaling is. Stop's scaling is subjective. When measuring the intelligence of a character, looking at the complexity of their explanations is not the right approach.
Monster is very different to anime like Death Note, COTE, Tomodachi Game & Moriarty the Patriot as Monster’s main focus isn’t on the battle of wits mind games between the MC & the Antagonist, it focuses more on the Contrasting Philosophies instead and how they impact people they interact with, general Intelligence & outsmarting is at best a secondary factor in the show if that.
It’s high diff at the absolute minimum.
@@SoulSociety404 Well yeah but even taking into account the fact that his manipulation feats are extremely good his feats on the rest are very weak and that's a fact in outsmarting manipulation is not enough and as you said if Johan lacks feat on screen it's only because the author wanted to keep the mysterious and elusive atmosphere of the character, I understand this choice and it's better that way for the writing of the character. But does that impact his scaling? Of course it does, and people tend to forget that, which is why I think he's overrated (in terms of wis, of course, otherwise he's easily the top 3 antagonists in the world).
@@SoulSociety404 And yeah for me complexity + efficacity >>> Large scale and results (its still important too but not really in outsmarting imo )
@@Urek2766 His feats outside of manipulation are very strong as well, but no one bothers to look into them because they only pay attention to what looks cooler.
whats the version of the My Ordinary Life?
ordinary life x got no time sped up
What does nfs and fs mean. Explain
Non-fixed situation
Fixed situation
Pls tutorial to how you edited 0:50 - 1:00
NFS:Jane extreme diff
Cat and mouse:johan very high diff
Overall:jane high diff
W + Fax
How can people actually like the mentalist. It's so boring, every episode is barebones the same. You got the husband or wife that is cheating, some unfunny jokes with the relationship about the 2 coworkers, the Chinese guy screams at one suspect but gets nothing out of it and so on. I really treie but I'm stuck at season 1 and so far Patrick Jane did not do very much if I am completely honest
dont say anything about patrick jane's outsmarting abillity until you finish the mentalist
It's made for old people.
0:24, GAY?
Patrick gay🧔♂️💀♂️
All to Patrick Jane
Near > Johan
💀wtf
L>Johan>Light>Near
If you use Stop's Scaling yes. Otherwise nah. Any amount of statements put Johan above Near
@@RebelfrYep, that’s why STOP scaling is flawed
@@Rebelfr No, even in stop skylining Johan humiliates DN
JOHAN> dogrick
Mentalist>>>featless monster
@@amir-h1c3w
رأيي مصايحك؟ لا تبكي يضل يوهان افضل من كل الي بعقلك وبالراحة ☕
How bad comment
Is Jane a bad character? Idk about him
@@itznav_sin nah he is a good character and underrated in writing
Seduce, manipulation and indirect control go to PJ (how seduction go to Johan?) and deception too
"Monster Episode 44 " says it all
@@phoenix0278fax these people have not watched or read monster lol
Seduction easily goes to Johan💀💀💀
@@primtegames4615 bro you watched Mentalist? in one of the firsts episodes he has more feats in seduction than Johan, is more powerful and deepth.
@@aiolossspontosss Johan seduces anyone, even men in Monster find Johan handsome.
Jane fanboys go brrr
I say Patrick Jane mid diff
Patrick Jane neg-no diff
overated patrick but g edit
Most people do though I guess
have you even seen the mentalist?
@@borakk544 have you read another monster
@@Irebejr6275 I did. I dont underestimate his feats. Still saying Patrick is overrated bcs he wins against Johan is biased af
@@borakk544 dude have you seen patrick's mental state in comparison to johan have you because if you had you would know that something as low as low diff is a biased take
Both are fodders of friend
Johan will manipulate Patrick to kill him self.😂😂😂
uhh, patrick isn't your normal human bud
Johan midi diff
STAY MAD JOHAN FANBOYS
No Johan high diff
Wtf is that guy
Patrick is nothing in front of Johan🗿🗿🗿
have you ever watched the mentalist?
@@keanal1680No I never, I only watched monster, and thats enough to say that Johan is the best villain
@@dipayan8789 bruh watch the mentalist then its a pretty fun show
@@keanal1680 Tbh I watched it and Johan will beat him considering he puts himself in a situation (whether intentional or not) where he can be killed, I think the plot save him multiple times.
Johan wins ?
Gayi ☠️
Overall jane(extreme diff)
Jane no diff
Jane low diff
WTF IS GAYI
Nah, Johan wins.
reasoning? i have a johan pfp so I'm absolutely correct 🤣
@@H4CKP4CK It's basic knowledge blud 💀. But ig you don't even have that much knowledge 💀.
@@JohanLiebert756 more like propaganda for childrens like you
Johan fan boy
@@Amir-q7v Jane fan boy.
W edit and W result but I'd personally give planning to Johan but I can see why you gave it to PJ 🫶
Its crazy how underrated johan is nowdays..