Bringing a Hough H-80B Wheel Loader Home (Pay Loader Part 1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ย. 2024
- Ever skim through Marketplace and the next thing you know, you have 32,000 pounds of yellow sitting in your back yard? I do now!
I purchased a 1979 Hough H-80B Payloader that appears to be in relatively good shape considering its age to make further progress over at my on-going giant landscaping project. This Hough is not without problems, the least of which isn't its lack of brakes, but that's all for future videos.
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Great find! That machine is a monster! I remember when I was a kid I could watch a Pay Loader working for days... I must still be a kid because I could watch that machine work for days! Thanks Eric!
Started out in 1981, 16 years old, operating a hough 65, them old machines worked you hard. But you could make them perform, could be scared of them.
Max, I have zero time operating this thing, but I think I already know what you're talking about with the slightly reaching forward to shift and three levers on the side to run the loader. I'm planning on setting up an electric over hydraulic diverter valve on the third function to get a switchable fourth function to work the quick attach and the loaders third function.
Glad I found you. I just bought a H50C and will be following your work.
Thanks for watching, KF7C. If I had a Ham radio, I could look you up!
When I came home from Vietnam I got a job on a Hough 65 Very similar to that one. It was a blast, Don't know how many times the cops stopped me for not having a over the road plate. Then there was the knuckle head that threatened me about taking away my hoisters license. When I got back to the shop I asked my boss what's a hoisters license? He just laughed.
South of Bemidji on 200 there is a machine shed that has a really nice H65 that appears to have either been somewhat restored or simply taken care of well over the years. Since it was parked next to the road, I stopped and took a bunch of photos as it has a toolbox and locks on everything to keep people from tampering with stuff. One thing that I walked away with was how much tighter everything was packed into the chassis compared to mine.
Anyway, if all goes well, I’ll keep fixing my payloader up.
Very nice Minnesita Eric. I'm just north of you in Manitoba. Bought a decent Hough H90C delivered to my country place in Jan. Plow the road lift stuff etc. Engine n power train seems good but lots hoses n leaks to fix. Every cylinder (5) needs to be resealed. Good luck on the project.
Thanks for watching, Brian! My Hough H80B has least three hoses that need to be replaced, all of the cylinders are weeping fluid (according to Army Aviation nomenclature), and after getting quoted $1200-1400 each for rebuilt OEM power-clusters, I ordered a pair of brand-new aftermarket power clusters that will work. Where to go and what to order will be of interest to anybody with a Hough without brakes because the solution I found is way less money than getting OEM rebuilds (still not cheap). Anyway, it'll be forth-coming in a future video.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the water quality in your area! LOL.
TheLpjoe think of it this way: I may finally trim up the cab slappers now that they’re slapping my cab too! LOL
Can’t wait
I got a HOUGH H-45B loader that needs a gear pump that mounts onto transmission. any idea where I can go for parts?
Don't power shift fwd to reverse..
Change planetary oil transmission oils differential oils alot.
Don't shift under load.
I worked on alot of old machines.
Make sure coolant is not acidic and use distilled water only in system.
Drain fuel tank clean pick up tube and water rust out of tank.
All common probs with old machines.
Good luck
I'm especially interested in your experience! If you don't mind my asking a question: The transmission originally called for Dextron II. That stuff doesn't exist and the newer stuff is super slippery, a thing that I thought bad for this old transmission. So instead I filled it up with Case Hy-Tran. Does that sound about right to you? Planetary oils I hadn't thought of that. Draining the fuel tank wise, I never spotted a drain on the bottom, but if you watch the series, I'm still cleaning the farm off of this thing and could have simply missed the fuel drain. Next summer I intend to take the giant cowl off of the engine so I can find all of the sensors and redo the wiring harness to wake the gauges back up on the dash that aren't working. Thanks for the advice!
@@MinnesotaEric look for Allison 3 fluid or Clark .
John Deere or cat hyraulic Transmission
Fluid also .
You have a torque converter and wet clutches .
I always pull main suction screen out and clean after draining transmission sump.
Also main hydraulic suction screens should be cleaned on old machines any dirt debris on any causes pump to cavitate ruining it.
Fuel pick up tube in bottom also neglected.
All hydraulic filters are return not suction.
Many don't realize that.
Nice machine.
@@Nudnik1 Golem, my Hough H80B got remotored at some point and the existing radiator shutter system wasn't hooked back up. Up here, normally a 185°F thermostat works well in autos and light trucks, but I'm wondering if I should use either a 165°F or 185°F shutterstat for the Navistar 427 (466B) engine to control the radiator's shutter system? Do you happen to recall the normal operating temperature for these engines?
@@MinnesotaEric 180-190 ° diesel s like to run hot.
New trucks run 210° for ECU to work.
@@Nudnik1 So a 165°F shutterstat for a margin of safety when running in summer would be best? Thank you, by the way!
that oughta clear your snow.
I'd love to get it working and land a commercial parking lot contract.
Hi MnEric. Been deciding what to do with my H90C. The turbo is leaking oil and the torque converter front seal I think leaks like a sieve. What to do. Don't want to spend anything on the old DVT573 but I have a Cat 3176B which will add about 90 Hp and is easily serviceable with new parts. Think I'll pull the engine and converter, reseal the converter and scrap the engine then mate in the 3176B but I'll have to overhaul it before. Did 1 hyd hose of 1.125 in 33 in long. No prob on getting it done here but it was $411. Wow. Most expensive hose I ever bought. Cheers.
All I can tell you about hoses is don’t go to Parker. Instead, if you can, go to your local jobber and literally prices will be 2/3rds to cost. If you have no options, the your local Napa or fleet shop. They too may be able to give you a deal. I was spoiled down in the Twin Cities with plenty of competition. Up here in North-Central Minnesota, our options are limited and I share your pain.
Turbo-wise those things aren’t too bad. Ask about rebuilds at your local jobber or reach out to eBay.
Hey man!! I love your videos on these! I just picked up a hough h65c and am having a hell of a time finding info on these! Do you know anyone to call that knows these things, or any idea on a tranny fluid filter? Trying to change fluid and filters has been trusting with the lack of info haha
Are you part of the FaceBook Hough Loader Group yet? If not, join and I can help you better over there.
@@MinnesotaEric sounds great I will do that!!
Please tell me you plan to use that big ass machine for more than just chores.
Is wrecking stuff with it like standing trees considered a chore?
Hi MN Eric, it s Brian here from Manitoba north of u. How are u coming on ur Hough 80? I just took three hyd hoses in to the shop to get them copied. Big in dia bout 3 ft long. For the three of them $680 bucks. Sheesh. Double sheesh.........
Brian, I understand. The third function hose I replaced cost me $190 at my local NAPA. Makes me appreciate how inexpensive my local hydraulic jobber was when I lived down in the Twin Cities. That said, my Hough is in winter storage right now as I don’t have a shop to work on it inside.
@@MinnesotaEric My Hough 90C is too big for my shop too. But trying to chip away at some jobs on it in the cold and snow. Got a few more hose to do too. Ouch and Merry Christmas to you.
@@briansumner2700 At this point, I need to sort out the electrical harness, wake up broken gauges, get my lights working, get the radiator shutter tied back into the air brake system and working, get the quick attach and my third function functioning again, and then there is a 4-in-1 bucket I need to adapt to this machine's quick hitch. All to say I have a bunch of work to do.
@@MinnesotaEric Make sure your transmission is filled properly. I just bought the Hough in Jan and let it sit til the summer when I tried to move it it wouldn't move at all. Tracked it down to low ATF. I put 7 quarts in it after putting a 20 liter pail of antifreeze to the rad. Then it moved ok. The trans in mine is full right after u run it but looks overfilled after sitting. Hope I didn't damage the clutch plates. We both have our work cut out for us. On mine basically hoses and fixing leaks like all cyls.
After replacing square cut O-rings on my transmission leaks and doing a lot of research on the web as well as on the phone, I decided the closest thing to the Dextron II that my transmission called for was the Case version of Hy-Tran. Thankfully my local fleet store carries what I needed in 5-gallon buckets because I needed three gallons to get my trans dip-stick to level (checked while running). I have only run the loader around my yard so far but al three gears are happy in forward and reverse (I think both of our machine use the same International 700 transmission). One thing that I need to address is a stiff, sticking throttle (and I replaced the throttle cable already) because if I don’t It'll make operation a little harder and roading a hassle.
This is great info, thank you. I have a H80B with a lot of the same problems. How can I tell what year mine is and what engine is in it? I have the serial number and searched google but to no avail. I just got the starter rebuilt, it was hanging up once in awhile and then finally quit working at all. The shop I got it rebuilt at said I need a new ignition switch do you have any idea where can find that? Thanks for your help
Up in the cab on the right side is a tag telling you what your machine is. Right by that tag, stamped into the metal is your H80’s serial number. There is website that gives you the year breakdown if you search for hough H80 models or hough H80 serial numbers. The ignition switch is the push button on the dash or power switch on the dash. I need a little better definition from your mechanic.
It's a dt466, fantastic engine.
I know this is an old post but, do you have measurements for this? I am picking one up in South Dakota in a couple days and want to have my poop in a group
What do you mean by measurements? The specs? 200hp mine has either a 3.75 or 4 yard bucket. A H80B weighs about 32,000 pounds plus the weight of the wheels. Mine has a third function.
@ I mean the width (edge of tire to edge of tire) height, width of bucket..
You should go onto the FaceBook Hough group and ask. There I can post pictures of the specs because this machine had 9 different tire options, and five different bucket options and each of those options make for different specs.
@ no worries, the one i picked up turned out to be a H90E, was about 41K, 11feet tall, and 10 feet wide.
What’s a good price for an 80B like yours in that condition?
Gene, I wish I could tell you. In my area I don't have a good selection of equipment and I figured buying this one locally would save $1500 in transporting costs so I went for it. The seller and I agreed to $7400, which in hindsight, I probably paid too much considering the lack of maintenance and non-functioning stuff that needs to be sorted out and repaired. On the other hand, looking over machinerytrader.com there is a seller asking $18K for an H80B so maybe I got a deal. One thing though, haggle on this used stuff. Consider the tires, the cost of changing fluids, the broken stuff, shoddy repairs, missing stuff. Also ask about manuals. I was lucky enough that this machine came with a proper parts manual, a Godsend for finding the right stuff.
@@MinnesotaEric, appreciate the answer brother. I’m working on my brother’s H80B that sat for years. I Replaced every single hydraulic hose on the machine. I cut the floor out with a plasmas cutter cause it sat with doors open for years, so I will be installing the floor and also getting it ready for paint inside and out. In hindsight I should’ve just pulled the cab off, it would’ve made things easier when replacing the hoses and floor. So I say your miles ahead of me, love the videos.
@@genecoppedge5972 Thanks for the encouragement! If you've replaced hoses, you're way, way ahead of me. I basically need to reconstruct the entire wiring harness and most of the air pressure related stuff doesn't work on my machine. Now having used the machine for stumping, I clearly see the need to make something so i know when the bottom of the bucket is level. As it is, I've got two more PayLoader videos that need to be edited right now. One changing the engine oil and another stumping out where Mark hopes to build a new garage. Thanks for watching!
Hi Eric I'd be interested to know what engine is in your H80 as per my last comment I am considering a repower of my Hough H90c with a Cat 3176B.
H-80B’s like mine came with International’s DT466, mine is a second generation, so it is called a DT467 rated at 200hp.
@@MinnesotaEric I understand the DT466 was a good engine and IH probably made a million of them unlike the rare dvt573. So IH made the 90 a tad bigger and put the 573 V8 at 260 hp in it. Are you going to keep the 466 in it?
@@briansumner2700 I have no reason to replace my engine.