I have seen a 600-1000 foot black triangle during sunset when it was still daylight out. Was it extraterrestrial was it dimensional which could be angels demons. I don’t know, but it was something. It was too big for us to have built it plus it slowly disappeared on me from one corner to the other in roughly 20 seconds which I think is the propulsion. There is absolutely something to this what it is I don’t know.
Did you ask him why he lied about military witnesses?andwhy he ignored them? Robert hastings and Robert Salas and Kevin day all accused him the same thing?
Out of every interview I've heard of this guy, you are the only one that stopped to ask the difficult follow-up questions and call out inconsistencies. Thank you, John.
It does strike me as 'suspicious'. I will say this though. I hope this might be orchestrated, but by those looking to ease the public into revealing things. There's a lot of this going on and out of nowhere. From what I've heard from the few genuine sounding whistleblowers is that many in the government are shifting from hiding everything to wanting to expose things so it might be a slow roll out. But... it's hard to trust what anyone says. But it's easy to tell that something is happening. Going from 'deny everything' to so many people in real positions saying things... it does make me rather curious on why such a shift is happening.
Nothing he's said is true. He just talks in circles about what others have told him, and none of it would be considered classified. Some guy told him we had captured spacecraft. So what. People have told me a million stories too and there's nothing wrong with me saying that. His body language and the way he used his hat to hide from the questions was enough for me, but the real clincher was when George Knapp claimed on a morning news segment in Las Vegas (when asked if he'd heard of elizondo) " oh sure we've been working with him for over a year" The same guy who coached Bob Lazar with his never-wavering story. Even the punctuation didn't change. A hundred ways to word something but in over 30 years lazar never chose any other way of describing it. Word for word. Nobody remembers a story that way, while avoiding eye contact, staring at a fixed point downward, and carefully repeating the exact phrasing from 30 years ago. Nope. There's a hundred tells on this guy.
I do not know how I've missed this channel because it always comes up as something recommended and I thought it was one of those AI bull crap weird space channels that come out with a bunch of junk. After hearing a few of your videos, your interviews I have subscribed. It really is a good change of peace from the garbage I am usually flooded with.
@undercoverbrother67 exactly, nothing at all. He speaks like a con artist, everything he says is nonsensical word salad. He just says it emphatically enough that it somehow fools people. He's a grifter trying to sell books, that's it.
It's like he's only talking about the stuff he knows instead of making up new shit to keep things interesting. Almost like he's talking about what he knows instead of just making it up
@@tylerharvell9938 Nothing he says is hard to understand or get the point. So if it's a word salad to you perhaps you need to improve your comprehension skills. Whether he is telling the truth is debatable but he says very clearly what he believes.
Very excited for the Sean Kirkpatrick interview. There are many statements that he needs to clarify. I’m sure you’ve done your research John and will ask those questions.
One of the greatest mistakes you could make when thinking of extraterrestrial life is assuming that there is only one kind, or one race, and its benevolent or malevolent or coming from one single place. To me, the point is that the "truth" as we like to call it it's made of many, many aspects and has many faces.
@@mrln247 Same, cuz he's been caught lying multiple times on camera. Also even if he says he hasn't seen evidence of a crash retrieval program that may be true because he or his office, AARO wouldn't even have the clearance to see the evidence anyways.
Regarding the drone issue, it's quite alarming that there are no records of who received waivers to fly drones over residential area and military bases without informing Congress. This lack of transparency raises serious concerns about oversight and accountability.
There's news stories on YT from 7 years ago that show the Government O.K.ed the shooting down of drones way back then if over sensitive areas. Why the hell haven't they done this?
Kirkpatrick is a joke. He was giving Oak Ridge contracts for metallurgical analysis while at AARO and then went to work for them. That’s straight up illegal
@@X85283Because no government employee is allowed to work for any company to whom they recently gave contracts and funding. It black and white, and everyone knows it. It's basic conflict of interest law.
@@X85283 well one, it's a MONUMENTAL conflict of interests; Kirkpatrick directly initiated and completed the contract for Oak Ridge to do the alloy analysis of a DoD item, that was being investigated by AARO. he then goes on to secure a contract with them while still being head of AARO, even for reference, Darleen Druyun was the #2 Acquisition Executive for the Air Force. she got 9 months in prison because she negotiated a job with Boeing at the same time she was involved in contracts with them
I have the same reaction to anyone, in the government or military or not, whatever, when the "truth" of their statements is entirely dependent on their job title. Same with Elizondo or anyone else. Science and reality doesn't give one damn about someone's title or authority. I have no idea what the truth of all this and I'm completely open minded. Hopefully, someday we'll actually know because we have actual evidence that can be scientifically verified for real.
The government isn’t a monolith. There are many branches and factions. The military is an element of the government within which there are opposing factions. And some of these factions might have gone rogue when it comes to owning and controlling UFO/UAP secrecy. This seems to be what we’re dealing with here.
Finally! Someone who asked Lou Elizondo intelligent questions, I mean questions that go beyond are there any aliens? Questions like, -Is it something technological? -What is their motivation? do they know why are they here?
Fascinating interview, John! Thanks a bunch!!! 😃 It's going to be interesting to watch Kirkpatrick's interview next week... Because he was got lying a few times already. I don't pretend to know what they have or not... But I really dislike lies... Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
It's nice to see critical thinkers in this comment section, which is rare on TH-cam and the internet in general. Lue always comes across to me as a snake oil salesman and it's depressing to see so many fall for it. I'm glad to see people on here pointing out his many inaccuracies and connection to the government.
“Sometimes to be a patriot, you have to do things that don’t seem very patriotic” I feel that statement should be handled with the utmost care. Could easily be used for any number of “greater good” acts
Why do you call him an ex-intel guy? Because that's what he alludes to without specifics? I haven't done a FOIA records request but I have suspicions about everything he claims. Which name spelling would you FOIA? He's used at least 4. He may have never served a day at the pentagon, or anywhere else he's claimed. I don't believe anything he's said from his first appearance. I have many problems with his story I won't clutter this video with. They are all there for anyone to see if they pay close attention to his story, it's delivery, and the many paradoxes that come with it. It simply doesn't follow that he'd work with a las vegas journalist for a year before pretending to be a whistleblower. Why would you need to work with a hoaxer first? Why not just come forward without spending a year getting his story straight with a civilian journalist. Why wasn't he investigated for that alone? Because it's fake.
@@shanelewis7052 There was US arrmy General of Intelligence who believed in ability to teach soldiers to bend spoons with telekinesis and go trough walls. Generals wife was conspiracy theorist. People can have high positions, good education and still go crazy. Read more about Albert Stubblebine.
@@dreed7312 @dreed7312 What? Say more, please, or orient me to your sources. I always found L E sketchy, untrustworthy, by paying attention to his words, information he gave, manner of speaking, demeanour. Then his book came out, the drama with the leakage 🙄 and then him saying he is a remote viewer 🙄🙄 and comparing himself to Neo and a jedi...all this movement is becoming a circus or a curiosity cabinet.
This guy has a wonderful combination of questions he can and can not answer to go along with the speculations he is willing and unwilling to make. I almost spit out my coffee when he said he needed to see evidence for some particular thing that was being discussed.
Yeah- if he really is sitting on the most important news humanity could possibly receive, and also has information that would completely transform physics as we know it, one would think he wouldn’t be so persistently vague. Would humanity really stand for a hero of that magnitude going to prison?
@@Resistant79 considering Julian Assange suffered so long for exposing information... yes, humanity will do what it's told. Propaganda is a strong thing, and many of the people around you are cattle that will get upset more because Starbucks is out of their preferred corn syrup rather than anyone going against the current dogma and making a difference.
So glad you are keeping this topic in mind and sharing it with your scientists following. It's unfathomably important right now. Unfortunately willful ignorance is very prevalent in mainstream science so thank you John 🙏
i would love to give my comment on this but i am very sorry, i am not allowed to talk about this! may you invite me to your show so i could repeat this phrase again and again to every question.
Regardless of your stance on the UAP/UFO matter, I don't think that there is any chance that Dr. Kirkpatrick will be able to provide such a detailed, well thought out explanation of his view. Good luck with that, I look forward to listening to it for sure.
@brentsanders, l agree with you! I understand why John Michael Gaudier gave Kirkpatrick a chance to tell his side of the story - and we definitely need to question what Elizondo is telling us. But l think that there are people on the other side of the fence whose thoughts are much more informative than what Kirkpatrick will tell us.
Edward Snowden, actual whistleblower. Lue Elizondo, writes a book, goes on tour, hits up every news channel and podcast without fear of life and liberty, not a whistleblower.
THIS! I mean think of Amy Eskridge and all the other real scientists and whistleblowers who were killed off although they said they have no intention of ending themselves. Elizondo is CIA. Nuff said.
You dont even understand the difference between what Snowden did and what Lue has done. You really don't understand the process at all, so its funny to hear you speak on it.
@@philliprobinson129what exactly had Lue done? He has told some interesting stories, but had provided zero program names, zero actual data. What has he done that Phillip Corso, Arthur Stansel, Bob Lazar, Dr. John Mack haven’t done before him?
Fantastic interview! You asked a lot of really interesting questions that I haven't heard Lue asked anywhere else before. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. All your interviews have been phenomenal
Some people think UFO is entertainment. I think you will not like many things about the truth. UFOs are not all fun. The guy is on a mission not to entertain.
Look at the recent pentagon statement about the Langley Air Force base. Laughable. The country doesn’t have a military, the military has a country. Honest, straightforward transparency would go some ways to mitigate that perception.
I spent 30 years in the US Army and a lesser amount of time in the Intelligence Community. When I hear Lue, he sounds a lot more like a Soldier than a scientist, trying to conjecture about things most listeners here know more about than Lue does. (The distance to “Alpha Proxima”, General and Special Relativity). When it came to anything concrete he might know from actual experience or special access, he cites classification as to why he can’t talk about it. Whistleblowers talk about things they aren’t supposed to talk about. I have seen sound bytes of him before, but this is the first long form interview. I see a guy trying to hype a past duty assignment to sell books. He’s so melodramatic in the “no kidding, there I was storming the beaches of Normandy” style I’ve heard all my adult life. I wonder if, as required, the Department of Defense reviewed and censored his book prior to its release. Nothing Lue said here convinced me of anything.
he is a mentee of Ric Prado the CIAs cocaine smuggler and pet serial killer who was balls deep in iran-contra. all the corporation cubans in the cia are shifty as shit.
Everything taken independently is unconvincing. Fortunately, we are capable of weighing all the evidence, and that is overwhelming at this point. There is undoubtedly a there there. Good luck!
Hey man, big fan here, love your show! I noticed your voice over audio quality seems impaired in this video - it seems like it’s being over-compressed and has too much high end exciter on it. I’m a pro music producer, so it jumped out at me. Just a heads up!
Holy @#$%! You got an interview with Shawn Kirkpatrick? I'll watch that for sure. I'd like to see him explain about his NASA presentation with all the charts and graphs, and how that matches up with later denials.
@garyswift9347 Trust me, I noticed that too, and asked. I leave it up to you to decide about what he said, but at least I got a discussion of it in for everyone to scrutinize.
Lou Elizondo never convinced me. All he does is give evasive and abstract answers, there is never a straight-to-the-facts, “this is what happened on this date witnessed by this and that person” etc reply. Can’t understand why so many people keep talking to him for so many years. Big disservice to the UAP research.
He is one of people responsible for legitimizing UAP research. There are things he still can't talk about because of the classified status of the information. That is why he's careful with what he says. He didn't have to come forward when he did. He could have stayed in the shadows with his government job. To me, he's one of the few trustworthy individuals in UAP research.
He already gave up his pension to tell us as much as he could. Blame congress that he can't tell us more. This is a very ungrateful and uninformed take. People like you are the true disservice to the community. He's already jaded from it.
I've been watching UFO events closely for half a decade and did my due diligence for notable events in the past. Without Lue and Chris Mellon we wouldn't even be here talking about this. Like him or not gotta give him credit for turning his life upside down to achieve this. How many people can? Can you make that sacrifice?
This. Sometime a verbal evisceration is justified. Ask "How did you come to that conclusion?", "Don't you mean atomic orbital energy levels, not radioactive half-lives?", "What evidence do you have to back that claim?", etc.
How about that graph and accompanying explanation. Water vaporizing into steam is (in this context) a result of work being performed on it, not due to it releasing energy. He also failed to explain, even in passing, why the magnitude of energy released increases as the phenomena's scale decreases (chemical→fission→"subatomic"). Makes one wonder whether he himself understands.
I found this conversation enlightening. Lue didn't back out of answering tough questions about the nuclear connections and he even entertained the speculations . Very good!!
An excellent interview! There are an infinite number of questions on the subject of UAP and none of them are unimportant, boring or superfluous! When we talk about UAP, we talk more about our future - especially as a species - than any other topic.
Sean Kirkpatrick is a bold choice. The man has a difficult time remembering being in meetings with people that he was clearly glaring at in said meeting. Maybe he started eating his Wheaties and is more capable of remembering what is true and what is not. I’ll try to evaluate his statements as they come without pre-deciding his credibility based on his former loose grasp on the truth…
…and actually, people like Dr. Kirkpatrick are excellent people to go on the record if we want to boost the credibility of people like Lue and ultimately, hasten full disclosure.
thanks john for covering this, there's nothing wrong with talking about all topics as long as it's with reasonable people, and Lou is that kind of person, I can't wait for the conversation with krirkpactric to hear the other side
Nooooo. John the scientists looking for aliens are what we want, this guy brings no evidence. If you've got evidence, show me them aliens! We all want to believe, but that doesn't mean we want to throw away science and reality.
This guy isn't a listener to JMG. He talks down to the audience.... i mean he thought he needed to show an x, y axis. I get a feeling like this guy isn't the real deal.
Sorry, as much as I want to believe, this guy is full of shit. He basically doesn't say anything and tries to distract from certain topics when it gets interesting - f.e. the point where he didn't want to bOrE us viEwErS with the science behind what could be happening. Also he tries to make things more interesting than they already are, by leaving out critical information, to make them artificially more "grandiose". F.e. he says that aging is because of a genetic determined switch, that we might be able to turn off. That's not the full truth. To have that switch is important for the integrity of the organism, plus there are other factors like a limited number of certain cells that renew our tissue for example. I am a molecular biologist and immunologist and giving half truths and simply wrong statements considering viruses isn't a good start. Viruses can't do everything that other life forms can, as he claims. A virus can't replicate on their own. They always need living cells for that. Still, this is an interesting question - what really is the definition of life? Another thing: We know for a long time that there are RNA-based viruses. Also anaerobic bacteria is nothing new, as he seems to implicate. We know that nearly as long as micro biology as a science is a thing. What he says here is on face value not wrong, but he seems to indicate that this is a recent completely surprising discovery, which it isn't. It's much more unexpected for example that there are life forms very deep in the ocean where is no light-energy source or chemical energy source in the form of other organisms that get their energy from light or eat these organisms. The absence of oxygen isn't the surprising or unexpected thing here. So a completely independent "life-System" that is on the one hand very similar to the "normal" life forms, but also in some regards different on molecular level. Why I tell this - I don't get why he made the examples the way he did, when there are much more recent, more unexpected examples. He doesn't sound like a specialist in his field tbh.
yeah I couldn't finish this one. he did not sound nearly as articulate or even as confident as he has in his edited TV appearances. didn't seem like he knows anything on a deep level, not convinced he understands much of the classified info he was privy to.
@@jacobe2995 well at least if it was then it will make it’s way out into the universe at the speed of light. Maybe a big audience out there, somewhere, sometime. 😉
Thanks so much for yet another evening release (CEST). Perfect listening before hitting the sack. As for Elizondo's exposé, it is overly reliant on logical speculation rather than on empirical evidence. You cannot reason your way to evidence, it must present itself.
Another reason I love JMG is that it's the only comments section for a Lue Elizondo interview where people largely remain sober and skeptical. He's been on Lex Fridman and Rogan, and the vast majority of folks there fell completely for his bullshit, and it was a pain to read the comments...
I'm really looking forward to this interview I hope John asks some good hard questions because I'm fairly skeptical about all this but I'm also interested enough to be open minded
The problem is exactly giving a platform to all those con artists. It hurts your channel, the people actually trying to investigate the phenomenon and lines the pockets of all these idiots, which causes them to proliferate . Very bad call John.
@@30035XD 100% agreed But this guy has used tactics like calling his detractors "Criminals, mentally ill" so it's extra concerning based on Elizondo's behavior. Not a shred of evidence supports his story. The guy who initially got funding for program used deceptive practices and was shut down once discovered. He even states Elizondo had Zero involvement. They only time they even met, his was bragging about his "psychic" abilities". This guy is such an obvious con, i can't stand it.
@@billyvsbilly1 Up to you to decide. I platformed it because I actually did find some corroboration from sources that aren't public that lead me to believe that it is premature to come to any conclusions about anything regarding the Pentagon and UFOs. I frankly have no idea what they've done here. But given that I cut the US Government quarterly tax checks, I want to know exactly why they act so dodgy and messed up regarding this subject. Especially if its malfeasance or corruption and I'm sitting out here cutting tax checks for it. This is why there are more congressional hearings planned because whatever the hell this subject is, anything regarding it involving public funds needs a whole lot of sunshine on it. Next week, I platform the exact opposite viewpoint. You decide.
@@billyvsbilly1 where can I find this info on Lou? I thought I was pretty well up to speed on him and I have had few red flags on him that were worth taking a second look at.. But if there's good information out there that Lou isn't exactly who he says he is, I would like to check it out. Thanks
Amazing show! Lue Elizondo has done so SO much for UAP disclosure. The videos he chose to release in the NYT 2017 article changed everything. It led to the first official gov Congressional Public Hearing under oath in July 2023. The next official gov public hearing will be on Nov 13, 2024. So exciting!! And James Fox's new documentary, "The Program", will be out any moment. We are living through history. We are living through THE quintessential paradigm shift.
I think this guy is a quack. He never answers questions directly and instead start talking about something else, spewing out a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Yup. Even the way he ducked the French question. "I can't talk about foreign governments". Say what? You're talking about all manner of subjects. He's just another fantasist.
Me too. He says the USA vaporized nearly 800,000 people off the face of the earth when the two nukes were dropped on Japan in WW2. That numbers quite a bit off. Highest estimate for combined instant deaths I could find was 210,000. Him being wrong about this while speaking so confidently about it, makes the information he claims to be privy too a bit suspect in my view.
Yea that's why i've largely given up on this new modern UFO push. It's always another carrot in the distance, another book to buy, another podcast to listen to. I'm a believer but it's hard to ignore the obvious grifting going on.
@@bandersong4650 fever dream if you are a normie. if you have delved into this rabbit hole we all have the same information but never concise or any solid proof. it's always the same giberish
Hmmm a troll account telling us not to believe Lou, that's odd. Don't troll farms know that NOONE picks first name + last name + 4 digits... as a username. What sane person would pick that, yet every troll account still has that. Nooo not weird at all. If this is a CIA account, hire me and I'll have your troll accounts up to ship shape in no time.
@@extrememiami Are you being sarcastic? I am radically open about my identity in an increasingly anonymous and bot filled Internet. It would take you 5 seconds to Google my name and compare it to e.g. the content on my TH-cam profile.
@@extrememiami How could I possibly be less of a troll account? I display my real name, have videos of myself on my profile, and probably am the only one in the world with this name. Lol.
Fun fact: In the film the last mimzy, the funny spiral things depicted when the Bridge opens is an pictorial depiction of manipulating an entangled schrodinger wave function.
@ColdCutz yeah its a great film, the spiders are actually a stand in metaphor for entaglement network builders engineering the bridge. Schrodinger wave functions are just highly geometrical quantised networks in spacetime itself
If UAPs are alien craft and if EMPs from nuclear detonations does somehow interfere with their propulsion systems, would they try to prevent Orion Drives from being invented?
I doubt those EMPs would be at a scales to disturb their propulsion systems more than person with giant flashlight distrurbs out traffic on planetary level. Locally yes, but overall meaningless.
Elizonda is a grifter like so many in the UFO community. I used to be a fanatic regarding this topic now due to all the grifters making outlandish statements I seldom listen or watch anything on this topic except this channel and The Black Vault. I think Elizondo is a misinformation agent as he was previously in the intelligence arena. As a used to be fanatic I wanted desperately to believe now I am skeptical of most information put forth by the UFO experts. I dont discount hundreds of thousands of eye witness testimony from all over the world and no one explanation can explain all what these people have seen and heard. I do believe the majority of the people who have witnessed what they said they saw and many stories can't be explained away as illusions mass hysteria or swamp gas. I still believe but will show interst again when there is credible verifiable evidence of a UFO.
More or less how i feel Now adays. Was a true believer but was burned. Never thought Lou and company are the real deal. Don’t know how to asses Dietrich and Fravor though. Still hoping Bob is the one actually telling the truth. His claims are so outlandish (I mean, NINE(!) spaceships, c’mon!) But he’s been so consistent that it might all be true. Looking forward to the film/documentary/vr experience about him and his story that he is collaborating in.
I believe people saw things they don't recognize but human eye witness testimony is considered the least reliable to the point that courts in some countries have considered not allowing it. So please, discount away.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 its worse than that... Actual science being done on breakthrough listen candidates are dismissed as nothingburger with the best evidence for that being "its too technological and looks like radio signals we could make"... John is an idiot, im sorry to say that but hes a fiction writer, not a scientist.
In the end, this whole ufo/uap thing is a decent retirement plan. You have a steady crowd of book buyers and interviews lined up, talk shows, etc. It's not the worst retirement plan if you had a former position in the government that is somewhat related and works as a credible "insider" backstory. These discussions are always entertaining to listen to but the content isn't proving or disproving anything, it's a chose-your-own-adventure-game, you either believe it or you don't. Until there's solid evidence, none of this matters and everyone can just claim whatever they feel like sells well. I'm must admit I'm not really too happy about having this on event horizon, more for the sake of the channel than anything else, but it is what it is.
@@alexhajnal107 Isn't that the defining commonality between all these "whistleblowers" ? The only thing they talk about are things that were never classified in the first place or have been declassified already. Oh he can't say anything about the russian submarine? Yes, because that stuff is still classified and it would actually get him in trouble despite we all knowing it happened. He also can't say anything about the french program because he doesn't have permission from their government... oh really?... just as you don't have permission from yours? That's kinda the point of whistleblowing, isn't it? So these types of people, by definition, only can talk about made up bullshit because there is no legal repercussions for any of it. If they actually thought they'd warn mankind of some cosmic threat and government conspiracies, you'd do it like snowden and go all in. Not go the route of "I can't talk about a thing everyone technically knows about but is still classified... I can however talk about something so big and evil that it would shatter the foundations of our society - because uh ... reasons. Oh and here is my book where you can learn more if you buy it - how convenient is that! Huh? No, sorry, I absolute can't put all this bombshell 'knowledge' up for free, not even for the sake of mankind... so sorry."
Sir, thank you so much for this. It's been quite the journey since David Grusch came forward in 2023. I sincerely want to thank you for acknowledging and participating in the discussion of UAР Disclosure. So many Popularizers of Science here on TH-cam seem to have vested interests in ignoring this paradigm-shifting subject. 🇺🇸🗽🛸👽
For me the real question is how Elizondo is able to get away with being so open & high visibility about this-because if what he's saying is true, our government has invested an unimaginable level of time, manpower & resources, for literally the better part of a century, to ensure that the public never learns about their involvement in the UAP phenomenon, and yet he's able to make all of these high-profile public appearances & talk so openly about it, seemingly without any of the sort of real consequences which have prevented whistleblowers from going public in decades past The only way that this makes sense to me is that the guy has been given authorization to talk about these things, in which case he's no longer really a whistleblower blowing the lid off of secrets which our government wants to keep hidden-at that point he's really more of a spokesman doing PR to help shape public opinion & shift the discourse on this issue in whatever direction these secretive elements of our government want the conversation to go
Plenty of folks more tolerable than Lou gave come forward. They can't all be killed or intimidated. I would have rather seen Grusch here over Lou. Lou is a massive asshole
@@Shotkangaroo he said I never met with Brandon Fugle I think that’s how you spell it. Then it went to Yes we did, but there was no Skinwalker presentation. It was not about Skinwalker Ranch.. then, Brandon famously puts up the picture of him with the back drop of Skinwalker Ranch with the presentation of what they were talking about and he went to crickets after that. He was caught lying to the public. Remember, this was in Washington when they did this. He is absolutely lying to the public.
For 30 years my family and friends had me labeled as ‘the conspiracy theorist’. I’ve always smiled at them and told them that one day, you will all be coming to me for direction and advice on the subject. What to pay attention to, what to ignore. What’s credible, what’s not. What books to read and which people to listen too and most importantly, what questions to ask themselves. . now that their entire world view is not what they thought it was. It’s what I always knew it was. ‘I told you so’ feels so good after 30 years of eye rolling.
These stories of UAP and whatnot always remind me of Carl Sagan's story "The Dragon in my Garage". 95% or more of this interview overlaps verbatim with other interviews of Elizondo. I love JMG and his approach to science and science fiction, so thumbs up for trying to explore this topic. But every time some sensible question is asked, we get the reply "I'm not at liberty to say more", "it's classified", "I cannot tell" or similar BS. So we learn zero. Who are the people he talked to? Where are they? What did he see? When? Why does he believe he was told the truth? Did he see any hard evidence and where is it? The UAP stories are always about anecdotal evidence, something is invisible, heatless and incorporeal, but we should all believe they are real, like the dragon in my garage.
Lou made many comments about energy ,Einstein and physics , he made statements about biology ,that were non scientific and flawed ,untrue ,inaccurate . It should be obvious to any proper scientist and there was no push back by the interviewer which is poor . It isn't journalism or even reporting and seems more like a book launch club.
If you’re giving a verified liar a stage I really hope you have the fortitude to address these many lies. Anyone giving that dirtbag a stage has welcomed his viewpoints and did nothing about his dirtiness. Please, ffs, don’t let John be one of these guys. Not this place 😢
I was just thinking of sharing this channel with the "Vetted" channel's community in case they didnt know about it. This will help some people find it I bet. If they some how havent.
Today we revisit the topic of US Government Interest in UFOs/UAPs, with Lue Elizondo.
Next week is a counterpart with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick.
Lue, AND Sean next week, oh this should be good. I hope Lue has given you some interesting questions to put to Sean, who's retired 😉
No. Dr. Kirkpatrick is a separate interview, not with Lue.
@@EventHorizonShowI know, I probably should have worded that better
I have seen a 600-1000 foot black triangle during sunset when it was still daylight out. Was it extraterrestrial was it dimensional which could be angels demons. I don’t know, but it was something. It was too big for us to have built it plus it slowly disappeared on me from one corner to the other in roughly 20 seconds which I think is the propulsion. There is absolutely something to this what it is I don’t know.
Did you ask him why he lied about military witnesses?andwhy he ignored them?
Robert hastings and Robert Salas and Kevin day all accused him the same thing?
Out of every interview I've heard of this guy, you are the only one that stopped to ask the difficult follow-up questions and call out inconsistencies. Thank you, John.
I clicked so fast I think I violated the conservation of energy AND momentum!
@@rickb06 Ha
I clicked so hard I broke my mouse😅
😂😂😂
@@rickb06 I thought I hear a sonic boom all the way over here!
Just why would these whistle blowers put themselves in contempt of Congress?
A "whistleblower" who is bound by government secrecy and needs permission to speak is called a government spokesperson.
That's what I've been thinking too. He can only say what he's allowed to. I doubt we're ever going to get revolutionary information.
Someone watches the why files.
It does strike me as 'suspicious'. I will say this though. I hope this might be orchestrated, but by those looking to ease the public into revealing things. There's a lot of this going on and out of nowhere. From what I've heard from the few genuine sounding whistleblowers is that many in the government are shifting from hiding everything to wanting to expose things so it might be a slow roll out. But... it's hard to trust what anyone says. But it's easy to tell that something is happening.
Going from 'deny everything' to so many people in real positions saying things... it does make me rather curious on why such a shift is happening.
Nothing he's said is true. He just talks in circles about what others have told him, and none of it would be considered classified. Some guy told him we had captured spacecraft. So what. People have told me a million stories too and there's nothing wrong with me saying that. His body language and the way he used his hat to hide from the questions was enough for me, but the real clincher was when George Knapp claimed on a morning news segment in Las Vegas (when asked if he'd heard of elizondo) " oh sure we've been working with him for over a year" The same guy who coached Bob Lazar with his never-wavering story. Even the punctuation didn't change. A hundred ways to word something but in over 30 years lazar never chose any other way of describing it. Word for word. Nobody remembers a story that way, while avoiding eye contact, staring at a fixed point downward, and carefully repeating the exact phrasing from 30 years ago. Nope. There's a hundred tells on this guy.
@@carsoncoley1 every one watches twf...
Please hold Kirkpatrick to the fire. He has said a lot of bullshit.
I didn't get anything out of it. Same shit we already know.
@@carlosnevarez4003 Yeah, first response from Lu is to wax philosophically. STOP letting him ramble. Thank you Carlos, I'm out.
Yup.
"Who are you people?"
All these TH-camrs agree not to make them look bad before they do the interviews.
Sean lost all credibility on this topic.
I do not know how I've missed this channel because it always comes up as something recommended and I thought it was one of those AI bull crap weird space channels that come out with a bunch of junk. After hearing a few of your videos, your interviews I have subscribed. It really is a good change of peace from the garbage I am usually flooded with.
We're glad you found us!
This is the best channel on TH-cam
Been here years
folk are complaining how they’ve heard it all before yet forget there’s many whom aren’t aware of any of this yet !
The only AI around here is in the novel John wrote
Me listening to lue say the same stuff for the 20th time in the last 2 months
Saved me an hour, thank you.
@undercoverbrother67 exactly, nothing at all. He speaks like a con artist, everything he says is nonsensical word salad. He just says it emphatically enough that it somehow fools people. He's a grifter trying to sell books, that's it.
@@tylerharvell9938Speaks like a con artist because he is one.
It's like he's only talking about the stuff he knows instead of making up new shit to keep things interesting. Almost like he's talking about what he knows instead of just making it up
@@tylerharvell9938 Nothing he says is hard to understand or get the point. So if it's a word salad to you perhaps you need to improve your comprehension skills. Whether he is telling the truth is debatable but he says very clearly what he believes.
Very excited for the Sean Kirkpatrick interview. There are many statements that he needs to clarify. I’m sure you’ve done your research John and will ask those questions.
This guy doesn't even pass my smell check... I'm calling total BS
Kirkpatrick lied though he actually lied so why would you even interview him?
Nah, don't platform known liars.
@@bluenick4577 because lies lead you to the truth many times.
If Kirkpatrick does clarify it will just be more dismissive arrogance. I’ll watch but I’ll be the skeptic this time
John, cudos to you, sir, for getting both sides of this lined up.
The only interview featuring Sean Kirkpatrick I would seek out is by you. Seems appropriate to have this headless horseman next week. Thank you JMG
Wasted episode with Kirkpatrick. Move on.
@@Andrew73566 It will be a big Nothing Burger with extra cheese!
Definitely move on. With all due respect to JMG the sycophant in him won't allow him to challenge anyone with "Dr" in front of their name.
Just because you say “with all due respect,” it doesn’t make it any less insulting to call someone a sycophant.
One of the greatest mistakes you could make when thinking of extraterrestrial life is assuming that there is only one kind, or one race, and its benevolent or malevolent or coming from one single place. To me, the point is that the "truth" as we like to call it it's made of many, many aspects and has many faces.
Absurd
@@blueabattoirin what way? Explain
WAIT!! You're going to have Sean Kirkpatrick on? I can't wait to NOT see that!!!!
Would love to see it with him attached to a lie detector.....
@@mrln247 Yes.
He has eyes I don't trust
@@mrln247no doubt
@@mrln247 Same, cuz he's been caught lying multiple times on camera. Also even if he says he hasn't seen evidence of a crash retrieval program that may be true because he or his office, AARO wouldn't even have the clearance to see the evidence anyways.
Regarding the drone issue, it's quite alarming that there are no records of who received waivers to fly drones over residential area and military bases without informing Congress. This lack of transparency raises serious concerns about oversight and accountability.
There's news stories on YT from 7 years ago that show the Government O.K.ed the shooting down of drones way back then if over sensitive areas. Why the hell haven't they done this?
Kirkpatrick is a joke. He was giving Oak Ridge contracts for metallurgical analysis while at AARO and then went to work for them. That’s straight up illegal
Why would that be illegal? There is a lot of back and forth between gov employees and gov contractors at the national labs.
@@X85283Because no government employee is allowed to work for any company to whom they recently gave contracts and funding. It black and white, and everyone knows it. It's basic conflict of interest law.
Like lady from NASA who gave contract for HLS to SpaceX and joined that company.
@@X85283 rent seeking, principal agent problem, conflict of interest, etc etc
@@X85283 well one, it's a MONUMENTAL conflict of interests; Kirkpatrick directly initiated and completed the contract for Oak Ridge to do the alloy analysis of a DoD item, that was being investigated by AARO. he then goes on to secure a contract with them while still being head of AARO, even
for reference, Darleen Druyun was the #2 Acquisition Executive for the Air Force. she got 9 months in prison because she negotiated a job with Boeing at the same time she was involved in contracts with them
If the government told me it was morning, I'd go outside and look.
The government? Department of Agriculture?
I know, I know, you're edgy.
I have the same reaction to anyone, in the government or military or not, whatever, when the "truth" of their statements is entirely dependent on their job title. Same with Elizondo or anyone else. Science and reality doesn't give one damn about someone's title or authority. I have no idea what the truth of all this and I'm completely open minded. Hopefully, someday we'll actually know because we have actual evidence that can be scientifically verified for real.
The mindset of MAGA right here folks. Only the strongman tells you the truth. Everyone else is a liar
That's how everyone should think, with skepticism of authority that has proven themselves to be manipulative
The government isn’t a monolith. There are many branches and factions. The military is an element of the government within which there are opposing factions. And some of these factions might have gone rogue when it comes to owning and controlling UFO/UAP secrecy. This seems to be what we’re dealing with here.
Finally! Someone who asked Lou Elizondo intelligent questions, I mean questions that go beyond are there any aliens? Questions like, -Is it something technological? -What is their motivation? do they know why are they here?
Fascinating interview, John! Thanks a bunch!!! 😃
It's going to be interesting to watch Kirkpatrick's interview next week... Because he was got lying a few times already.
I don't pretend to know what they have or not... But I really dislike lies...
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I have come here to chew bubblegum and fall into Event Horizon with John Michael Godier. And I 'm already out of bubblegum.
that film was ace
It's nice to see critical thinkers in this comment section, which is rare on TH-cam and the internet in general. Lue always comes across to me as a snake oil salesman and it's depressing to see so many fall for it. I'm glad to see people on here pointing out his many inaccuracies and connection to the government.
Who do you trust out of the people who have a big voice on this issue?
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can tell this guy is full of shit.
Exactly, if you have two brain cells this is just Oil sales, absolute tosh
I really doubt this man was ever involved with the serious study of anything let alone UAP
@@aaronconnell2152 He certainly appears to lack the scientific rigour needed for any kind of deductive work.
“Sometimes to be a patriot, you have to do things that don’t seem very patriotic”
I feel that statement should be handled with the utmost care. Could easily be used for any number of “greater good” acts
Wow this is going to be good. I'm so glad lue is willing to go so far and wide to do good interviews and get the word out.
He ain’t doing shit besides promoting himself, just like Jeremy Corbell.
I want to believe Lue. For an ex intelligence agent he does seem pretty genuine. However, Kirkpatrick is literally Bluebook embodied.
Exactly..
Why do you call him an ex-intel guy? Because that's what he alludes to without specifics? I haven't done a FOIA records request but I have suspicions about everything he claims. Which name spelling would you FOIA? He's used at least 4. He may have never served a day at the pentagon, or anywhere else he's claimed. I don't believe anything he's said from his first appearance. I have many problems with his story I won't clutter this video with. They are all there for anyone to see if they pay close attention to his story, it's delivery, and the many paradoxes that come with it. It simply doesn't follow that he'd work with a las vegas journalist for a year before pretending to be a whistleblower. Why would you need to work with a hoaxer first? Why not just come forward without spending a year getting his story straight with a civilian journalist. Why wasn't he investigated for that alone? Because it's fake.
@@dreed7312don't forget he posted a picture of a fake UFO too.. And he got called out on it by the internet and got really defensive
@@shanelewis7052 There was US arrmy General of Intelligence who believed in ability to teach soldiers to bend spoons with telekinesis and go trough walls. Generals wife was conspiracy theorist.
People can have high positions, good education and still go crazy.
Read more about Albert Stubblebine.
@@dreed7312 @dreed7312 What? Say more, please, or orient me to your sources. I always found L E sketchy, untrustworthy, by paying attention to his words, information he gave, manner of speaking, demeanour. Then his book came out, the drama with the leakage 🙄 and then him saying he is a remote viewer 🙄🙄 and comparing himself to Neo and a jedi...all this movement is becoming a circus or a curiosity cabinet.
This guy has a wonderful combination of questions he can and can not answer to go along with the speculations he is willing and unwilling to make. I almost spit out my coffee when he said he needed to see evidence for some particular thing that was being discussed.
Elizondo is still working for the government passing approved information.
Like the government is some monolith. You're not very imaginative for a conspiracy theorist, are you ?
@@garethmorgan3665 Thanks for weighing in, pissbrains
Yeah- if he really is sitting on the most important news humanity could possibly receive, and also has information that would completely transform physics as we know it, one would think he wouldn’t be so persistently vague. Would humanity really stand for a hero of that magnitude going to prison?
@@Resistant79 considering Julian Assange suffered so long for exposing information... yes, humanity will do what it's told. Propaganda is a strong thing, and many of the people around you are cattle that will get upset more because Starbucks is out of their preferred corn syrup rather than anyone going against the current dogma and making a difference.
Just approving what's been out in the public for decades.
So glad you are keeping this topic in mind and sharing it with your scientists following. It's unfathomably important right now. Unfortunately willful ignorance is very prevalent in mainstream science so thank you John 🙏
i would love to give my comment on this but i am very sorry, i am not allowed to talk about this! may you invite me to your show so i could repeat this phrase again and again to every question.
No kidding. 😂
Funny how he only said that regarding things that are falsifiable.
Regardless of your stance on the UAP/UFO matter, I don't think that there is any chance that Dr. Kirkpatrick will be able to provide such a detailed, well thought out explanation of his view. Good luck with that, I look forward to listening to it for sure.
@brentsanders, l agree with you! I understand why John Michael Gaudier gave Kirkpatrick a chance to tell his side of the story - and we definitely need to question what Elizondo is telling us. But l think that there are people on the other side of the fence whose thoughts are much more informative than what Kirkpatrick will tell us.
Edward Snowden, actual whistleblower. Lue Elizondo, writes a book, goes on tour, hits up every news channel and podcast without fear of life and liberty, not a whistleblower.
THIS! I mean think of Amy Eskridge and all the other real scientists and whistleblowers who were killed off although they said they have no intention of ending themselves. Elizondo is CIA. Nuff said.
the cias in house press ghostwrote it for him.
Snowden did sell his story for profit, though.
People need money to live after leaving their jobs.
You dont even understand the difference between what Snowden did and what Lue has done. You really don't understand the process at all, so its funny to hear you speak on it.
@@philliprobinson129what exactly had Lue done? He has told some interesting stories, but had provided zero program names, zero actual data. What has he done that Phillip Corso, Arthur Stansel, Bob Lazar, Dr. John Mack haven’t done before him?
Fantastic interview! You asked a lot of really interesting questions that I haven't heard Lue asked anywhere else before. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised. All your interviews have been phenomenal
Repackaged old stories . Becoming very boring
That’s the way of the ufo cult. It’s propaganda and nothing more.
Some people think UFO is entertainment. I think you will not like many things about the truth. UFOs are not all fun. The guy is on a mission not to entertain.
That’s the way of the ufo cult. Ridiculous stories and zero proof.
Look at the recent pentagon statement about the Langley Air Force base. Laughable. The country doesn’t have a military, the military has a country. Honest, straightforward transparency would go some ways to mitigate that perception.
Really enjoyed this episode John. Lue is a great guest to have on, hope to see more of you both discussing things in the future!
If you're wondering what he's referring to about being involved in doing bad things at the end, Lue was the head of enhanced interrogation at Gitmo.
Very interested in this conversation. I wondered if you all would get him on.
I spent 30 years in the US Army and a lesser amount of time in the Intelligence Community. When I hear Lue, he sounds a lot more like a Soldier than a scientist, trying to conjecture about things most listeners here know more about than Lue does. (The distance to “Alpha Proxima”, General and Special Relativity). When it came to anything concrete he might know from actual experience or special access, he cites classification as to why he can’t talk about it. Whistleblowers talk about things they aren’t supposed to talk about. I have seen sound bytes of him before, but this is the first long form interview. I see a guy trying to hype a past duty assignment to sell books. He’s so melodramatic in the “no kidding, there I was storming the beaches of Normandy” style I’ve heard all my adult life. I wonder if, as required, the Department of Defense reviewed and censored his book prior to its release. Nothing Lue said here convinced me of anything.
I was turned off right out of the gate by the argument that "life must exist elsewhere in the universe because it's abundant on Earth"
he is a mentee of Ric Prado the CIAs cocaine smuggler and pet serial killer who was balls deep in iran-contra. all the corporation cubans in the cia are shifty as shit.
Everything taken independently is unconvincing. Fortunately, we are capable of weighing all the evidence, and that is overwhelming at this point. There is undoubtedly a there there. Good luck!
@@bobsawin1920I doubt it.
Thank you...
It's amazing how Lue talks so much yet actually says so very little....
Gotta make the interview last.
THANK YOU!
Exactly
People like to criticze Lue, but yet - here they are.
@edriley2703 here they are on John's channel.?
Hey man, big fan here, love your show! I noticed your voice over audio quality seems impaired in this video - it seems like it’s being over-compressed and has too much high end exciter on it. I’m a pro music producer, so it jumped out at me. Just a heads up!
Holy @#$%! You got an interview with Shawn Kirkpatrick? I'll watch that for sure. I'd like to see him explain about his NASA presentation with all the charts and graphs, and how that matches up with later denials.
That is discussed.
@garyswift9347 Trust me, I noticed that too, and asked. I leave it up to you to decide about what he said, but at least I got a discussion of it in for everyone to scrutinize.
That will be very amusing! PROBE HIM 👽
@@grant9301 in the anus?
Lou Elizondo never convinced me. All he does is give evasive and abstract answers, there is never a straight-to-the-facts, “this is what happened on this date witnessed by this and that person” etc reply. Can’t understand why so many people keep talking to him for so many years. Big disservice to the UAP research.
He is one of people responsible for legitimizing UAP research. There are things he still can't talk about because of the classified status of the information. That is why he's careful with what he says. He didn't have to come forward when he did. He could have stayed in the shadows with his government job. To me, he's one of the few trustworthy individuals in UAP research.
He already gave up his pension to tell us as much as he could. Blame congress that he can't tell us more. This is a very ungrateful and uninformed take. People like you are the true disservice to the community. He's already jaded from it.
@@CDXLIV444Yeah sure, he's a public hero and totally not a grifter flogging his new book.
Lou is waiting for more government funds to continue his Bullshit!
I've been watching UFO events closely for half a decade and did my due diligence for notable events in the past. Without Lue and Chris Mellon we wouldn't even be here talking about this. Like him or not gotta give him credit for turning his life upside down to achieve this. How many people can? Can you make that sacrifice?
Fantastic interview, looking forward to the interview with Fitzpatrick.
I was so intrigued to see you had Lue on the show! I’m glad to see him on such a highly reputable channel like yours 👏🏼👏🏼
I don’t buy this guy. I can hear John calling BS in his mind. I wish he would do it out loud.
This. Sometime a verbal evisceration is justified. Ask "How did you come to that conclusion?", "Don't you mean atomic orbital energy levels, not radioactive half-lives?", "What evidence do you have to back that claim?", etc.
why is this guy explaining relativity to me instead of giving any compelling reason to believe his claims
He doesn’t even dive into the context of the formula. To laymen E=mc² is complete.
You hit the nail on the head.
Exactly!
How about that graph and accompanying explanation. Water vaporizing into steam is (in this context) a result of work being performed on it, not due to it releasing energy. He also failed to explain, even in passing, why the magnitude of energy released increases as the phenomena's scale decreases (chemical→fission→"subatomic"). Makes one wonder whether he himself understands.
He's not even good at doing that. I have no degree but have read many books and textbooks and watched many physics lectures and yeh its awful
I found this conversation enlightening. Lue didn't back out of answering tough questions about the nuclear connections and he even entertained the speculations . Very good!!
I’d be far more persuaded if LE answered ‘I don’t know’ in regard to propulsion systems than attempting to give somewhat wobbly science answers.
He's selling a mythos. Quite literally. And he, of course, has all the answers (even if they're nothing but figments of his imagination).
Thank you John for covering this topic and treating it and Louis with respect.
I can’t wait for the Kirkpatrick interview. Thank you JMG
I have a hard time trusting anyone that says “I love my government”
That´s not the worst approach.
Trump is second only to Jesus according to MAGA people.
Love it or leave it Osama
@@daggers101or improve it
@@daggers101, ???
An excellent interview! There are an infinite number of questions on the subject of UAP and none of them are unimportant, boring or superfluous! When we talk about UAP, we talk more about our future - especially as a species - than any other topic.
Sean Kirkpatrick is a bold choice. The man has a difficult time remembering being in meetings with people that he was clearly glaring at in said meeting. Maybe he started eating his Wheaties and is more capable of remembering what is true and what is not. I’ll try to evaluate his statements as they come without pre-deciding his credibility based on his former loose grasp on the truth…
…and actually, people like Dr. Kirkpatrick are excellent people to go on the record if we want to boost the credibility of people like Lue and ultimately, hasten full disclosure.
thanks john for covering this, there's nothing wrong with talking about all topics as long as it's with reasonable people, and Lou is that kind of person, I can't wait for the conversation with krirkpactric to hear the other side
Nooooo. John the scientists looking for aliens are what we want, this guy brings no evidence. If you've got evidence, show me them aliens! We all want to believe, but that doesn't mean we want to throw away science and reality.
This guy isn't a listener to JMG. He talks down to the audience.... i mean he thought he needed to show an x, y axis. I get a feeling like this guy isn't the real deal.
Thanks! I'm really excited about hearing from Kirkpatrick again, especially on your show, because you are a great interviewer.
That’s very kind of you Gary. Thank you. John did a great job with the interview and we’re looking forward to releasing it next week. - Ross
Sorry, as much as I want to believe, this guy is full of shit. He basically doesn't say anything and tries to distract from certain topics when it gets interesting - f.e. the point where he didn't want to bOrE us viEwErS with the science behind what could be happening.
Also he tries to make things more interesting than they already are, by leaving out critical information, to make them artificially more "grandiose". F.e. he says that aging is because of a genetic determined switch, that we might be able to turn off. That's not the full truth. To have that switch is important for the integrity of the organism, plus there are other factors like a limited number of certain cells that renew our tissue for example.
I am a molecular biologist and immunologist and giving half truths and simply wrong statements considering viruses isn't a good start. Viruses can't do everything that other life forms can, as he claims. A virus can't replicate on their own. They always need living cells for that. Still, this is an interesting question - what really is the definition of life?
Another thing: We know for a long time that there are RNA-based viruses. Also anaerobic bacteria is nothing new, as he seems to implicate. We know that nearly as long as micro biology as a science is a thing. What he says here is on face value not wrong, but he seems to indicate that this is a recent completely surprising discovery, which it isn't. It's much more unexpected for example that there are life forms very deep in the ocean where is no light-energy source or chemical energy source in the form of other organisms that get their energy from light or eat these organisms. The absence of oxygen isn't the surprising or unexpected thing here. So a completely independent "life-System" that is on the one hand very similar to the "normal" life forms, but also in some regards different on molecular level. Why I tell this - I don't get why he made the examples the way he did, when there are much more recent, more unexpected examples. He doesn't sound like a specialist in his field tbh.
Go read his book if you want a deep dive, this is a one hour video...
DieBieneFranz
Luis is just another con man. No reason to believe anything he says.
@@CDXLIV444 Given his apparent lack of a grasp of the basics of the subject matter there's no reason to think that his book would be any better.
I don't want to bore viewers with the science". Are you kidding me?? We are here to hear fairy tales, not science!
yeah I couldn't finish this one. he did not sound nearly as articulate or even as confident as he has in his edited TV appearances.
didn't seem like he knows anything on a deep level, not convinced he understands much of the classified info he was privy to.
John, you got Luis in and now you have doubled down on my favorite channel on youtube. I love you.
Would love to see Elizondo and Dirtpatrick debate this topic
I’d watch that…
Grusch and SK would be better.
Lue and Grusch and all the other traitors will be thrown in jail once Kamala takes office and lets Cheney do his thing.
Why? To watch two people talk about nothing? Both full of it and have no real information to talk about.
One of the best interviews with L.E I recon.
Have you ever considered trying to stream your show on shortwave?
@@jacobe2995 well at least if it was then it will make it’s way out into the universe at the speed of light. Maybe a big audience out there, somewhere, sometime. 😉
Thanks so much for yet another evening release (CEST). Perfect listening before hitting the sack.
As for Elizondo's exposé, it is overly reliant on logical speculation rather than on empirical evidence. You cannot reason your way to evidence, it must present itself.
Another reason I love JMG is that it's the only comments section for a Lue Elizondo interview where people largely remain sober and skeptical. He's been on Lex Fridman and Rogan, and the vast majority of folks there fell completely for his bullshit, and it was a pain to read the comments...
How in Hades could anyone fall for that?
I just commented the same thing. The church of Lue is pretty bad online especially in places like Reddit and Twitter.
I'm really looking forward to this interview I hope John asks some good hard questions because I'm fairly skeptical about all this but I'm also interested enough to be open minded
He did not.
Oh come on John. You do research on your topics. I'm actually shocked you are platforming this guy.
He's not the only person on the topic, next week we'll hear from a counterpoint.
The problem is exactly giving a platform to all those con artists. It hurts your channel, the people actually trying to investigate the phenomenon and lines the pockets of all these idiots, which causes them to proliferate . Very bad call John.
@@30035XD 100% agreed But this guy has used tactics like calling his detractors "Criminals, mentally ill" so it's extra concerning based on Elizondo's behavior. Not a shred of evidence supports his story. The guy who initially got funding for program used deceptive practices and was shut down once discovered. He even states Elizondo had Zero involvement. They only time they even met, his was bragging about his "psychic" abilities". This guy is such an obvious con, i can't stand it.
@@billyvsbilly1 Up to you to decide. I platformed it because I actually did find some corroboration from sources that aren't public that lead me to believe that it is premature to come to any conclusions about anything regarding the Pentagon and UFOs. I frankly have no idea what they've done here. But given that I cut the US Government quarterly tax checks, I want to know exactly why they act so dodgy and messed up regarding this subject. Especially if its malfeasance or corruption and I'm sitting out here cutting tax checks for it. This is why there are more congressional hearings planned because whatever the hell this subject is, anything regarding it involving public funds needs a whole lot of sunshine on it. Next week, I platform the exact opposite viewpoint. You decide.
@@billyvsbilly1 where can I find this info on Lou? I thought I was pretty well up to speed on him and I have had few red flags on him that were worth taking a second look at.. But if there's good information out there that Lou isn't exactly who he says he is, I would like to check it out. Thanks
Thank you for doing this interview!
I would argue that intent is more common among larger mammals and a few birds than he suggests, but the distinction stands.
It's disgraceful and pathetic how animals are treated on this planet. Makes me sick
Amazing show! Lue Elizondo has done so SO much for UAP disclosure. The videos he chose to release in the NYT 2017 article changed everything. It led to the first official gov Congressional Public Hearing under oath in July 2023.
The next official gov public hearing will be on Nov 13, 2024. So exciting!! And James Fox's new documentary, "The Program", will be out any moment.
We are living through history. We are living through THE quintessential paradigm shift.
I think this guy is a quack.
He never answers questions directly and instead start talking about something else, spewing out a lot of words without actually saying anything.
Yup. Even the way he ducked the French question. "I can't talk about foreign governments". Say what? You're talking about all manner of subjects. He's just another fantasist.
Me too. He says the USA vaporized nearly 800,000 people off the face of the earth when the two nukes were dropped on Japan in WW2. That numbers quite a bit off. Highest estimate for combined instant deaths I could find was 210,000. Him being wrong about this while speaking so confidently about it, makes the information he claims to be privy too a bit suspect in my view.
He's presenting understood physics as if they're some sort of mystery. Evidence or bust baby!
The French thing was funny. As a US military guy why would he care what the 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' think..
@@Peanutcat Yes.
Bare in mind both are paid liars. With your tax dollars.
And all of them have a book to sell...funny that.
The audiobook is on Spotify and it’s a true fever dream. Highly recommended to see into the mind of a spook. Aliens are the least of what’s in there.
@@kukaliemikalie8157 yes because books sell so well these days. Funny that.
Yea that's why i've largely given up on this new modern UFO push. It's always another carrot in the distance, another book to buy, another podcast to listen to. I'm a believer but it's hard to ignore the obvious grifting going on.
@@bandersong4650 fever dream if you are a normie. if you have delved into this rabbit hole we all have the same information but never concise or any solid proof. it's always the same giberish
@@BOTCHEDI could tell you why you are wrong but I can't elaborate on that.
I genuinely can't get past the ten minute mark on this video without falling asleep.
Have you followed the debate on Lue, JMG? He comes across as quite deceptive if you study him throughout his interviews.
Hmmm a troll account telling us not to believe Lou, that's odd. Don't troll farms know that NOONE picks first name + last name + 4 digits... as a username. What sane person would pick that, yet every troll account still has that. Nooo not weird at all. If this is a CIA account, hire me and I'll have your troll accounts up to ship shape in no time.
@@extrememiami Are you being sarcastic? I am radically open about my identity in an increasingly anonymous and bot filled Internet. It would take you 5 seconds to Google my name and compare it to e.g. the content on my TH-cam profile.
@@extrememiami Alright, let’s get you to bed.
@@extrememiami TH-cam did it. Don't know why.
@@extrememiami How could I possibly be less of a troll account? I display my real name, have videos of myself on my profile, and probably am the only one in the world with this name. Lol.
Still no polaroids = still didn't happen.
Fun fact: In the film the last mimzy, the funny spiral things depicted when the Bridge opens is an pictorial depiction of manipulating an entangled schrodinger wave function.
@@STONECOLDET944 Oh wow I totally forgot about that movie. Really loved it now that I think about it.
@ColdCutz yeah its a great film, the spiders are actually a stand in metaphor for entaglement network builders engineering the bridge.
Schrodinger wave functions are just highly geometrical quantised networks in spacetime itself
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The universe is a big place. The answer is all of the above and more.
The best interview withLou i have heard. Thank yall and great job.
If UAPs are alien craft and if EMPs from nuclear detonations does somehow interfere with their propulsion systems, would they try to prevent Orion Drives from being invented?
I doubt those EMPs would be at a scales to disturb their propulsion systems more than person with giant flashlight distrurbs out traffic on planetary level.
Locally yes, but overall meaningless.
I’m ready for the big reveal.
This show just keeps getting better every week!
very interesting. thank you
Elizonda is a grifter like so many in the UFO community. I used to be a fanatic regarding this topic now due to all the grifters making outlandish statements I seldom listen or watch anything on this topic except this channel and The Black Vault. I think Elizondo is a misinformation agent as he was previously in the intelligence arena. As a used to be fanatic I wanted desperately to believe now I am skeptical of most information put forth by the UFO experts. I dont discount hundreds of thousands of eye witness testimony from all over the world and no one explanation can explain all what these people have seen and heard. I do believe the majority of the people who have witnessed what they said they saw and many stories can't be explained away as illusions mass hysteria or swamp gas. I still believe but will show interst again when there is credible verifiable evidence of a UFO.
More or less how i feel Now adays. Was a true believer but was burned. Never thought Lou and company are the real deal. Don’t know how to asses Dietrich and Fravor though. Still hoping Bob is the one actually telling the truth. His claims are so outlandish (I mean, NINE(!) spaceships, c’mon!) But he’s been so consistent that it might all be true. Looking forward to the film/documentary/vr experience about him and his story that he is collaborating in.
Yeah another disappointing guest. This podcast is turning into the JRE of cosmology.
Your opinion of sensor data from multiple platforms?
I believe people saw things they don't recognize but human eye witness testimony is considered the least reliable to the point that courts in some countries have considered not allowing it. So please, discount away.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 its worse than that... Actual science being done on breakthrough listen candidates are dismissed as nothingburger with the best evidence for that being "its too technological and looks like radio signals we could make"... John is an idiot, im sorry to say that but hes a fiction writer, not a scientist.
Please don't ever change the music you use for the podcast. I love it
No reason to change it, it fits so perfectly with what I do.
In the end, this whole ufo/uap thing is a decent retirement plan. You have a steady crowd of book buyers and interviews lined up, talk shows, etc. It's not the worst retirement plan if you had a former position in the government that is somewhat related and works as a credible "insider" backstory. These discussions are always entertaining to listen to but the content isn't proving or disproving anything, it's a chose-your-own-adventure-game, you either believe it or you don't. Until there's solid evidence, none of this matters and everyone can just claim whatever they feel like sells well.
I'm must admit I'm not really too happy about having this on event horizon, more for the sake of the channel than anything else, but it is what it is.
I think your brain elasticity has perished . Take a chill pill lol
Extremely well-put
With huge demand and government happy to keep eyes of the public off real and important issues.
Did you notice how he pulled the "can't talk about it, it's classified" line whenever a falsifiable topic came up?
@@alexhajnal107 Isn't that the defining commonality between all these "whistleblowers" ? The only thing they talk about are things that were never classified in the first place or have been declassified already. Oh he can't say anything about the russian submarine? Yes, because that stuff is still classified and it would actually get him in trouble despite we all knowing it happened. He also can't say anything about the french program because he doesn't have permission from their government... oh really?... just as you don't have permission from yours? That's kinda the point of whistleblowing, isn't it? So these types of people, by definition, only can talk about made up bullshit because there is no legal repercussions for any of it. If they actually thought they'd warn mankind of some cosmic threat and government conspiracies, you'd do it like snowden and go all in. Not go the route of "I can't talk about a thing everyone technically knows about but is still classified... I can however talk about something so big and evil that it would shatter the foundations of our society - because uh ... reasons. Oh and here is my book where you can learn more if you buy it - how convenient is that! Huh? No, sorry, I absolute can't put all this bombshell 'knowledge' up for free, not even for the sake of mankind... so sorry."
Sir, thank you so much for this. It's been quite the journey since David Grusch came forward in 2023. I sincerely want to thank you for acknowledging and participating in the discussion of UAР Disclosure. So many Popularizers of Science here on TH-cam seem to have vested interests in ignoring this paradigm-shifting subject. 🇺🇸🗽🛸👽
For me the real question is how Elizondo is able to get away with being so open & high visibility about this-because if what he's saying is true, our government has invested an unimaginable level of time, manpower & resources, for literally the better part of a century, to ensure that the public never learns about their involvement in the UAP phenomenon, and yet he's able to make all of these high-profile public appearances & talk so openly about it, seemingly without any of the sort of real consequences which have prevented whistleblowers from going public in decades past
The only way that this makes sense to me is that the guy has been given authorization to talk about these things, in which case he's no longer really a whistleblower blowing the lid off of secrets which our government wants to keep hidden-at that point he's really more of a spokesman doing PR to help shape public opinion & shift the discourse on this issue in whatever direction these secretive elements of our government want the conversation to go
@@rjramrod Or, and hear me out, he's completely full of crap, just like he sounds...
Yea there’s nothing going on and he’s just spreading what the government wants you to think
You haven't considered he's a fraud & a grifter? I think that's the most plausible & realistic way to make sense of his claims.
Plenty of folks more tolerable than Lou gave come forward. They can't all be killed or intimidated. I would have rather seen Grusch here over Lou. Lou is a massive asshole
He is and people somehow trust him while it is quite obvious
Watching kirkpatrick is going to be comedy gold.
The guy next week has already been caught lying.
In what respect?
@@Shotkangaroo he said I never met with Brandon Fugle I think that’s how you spell it. Then it went to Yes we did, but there was no Skinwalker presentation. It was not about Skinwalker Ranch.. then, Brandon famously puts up the picture of him with the back drop of Skinwalker Ranch with the presentation of what they were talking about and he went to crickets after that.
He was caught lying to the public. Remember, this was in Washington when they did this. He is absolutely lying to the public.
@@Shotkangaroo if event Horizon has any dignity he needs to ask Sean why did you lie about the Skinwalker Ranch presentation? See what he says.
@@adampomeroy9463 I completely misunderstood, I didn’t read correctly and thought you were talking about Lou. I’m on Lou’s side. 😊
must watch
Crazy timing his book was just delivered today
I read it. Nothing of value just like this podcast just constant babble with nothing of value.
There’s always a book…
Yea fancy that. what a coincidence
Ty JMG! Love your media, perspective, and velvety voice!
i clicked so fast my finger looked like Johnny Cage from Mortal Combat.
Elizondo is such a shill. And people eat his disinfo. It´s disgraceful.
Grow up.
Great to see that we will hear both sides. Thank you 🙏
Shhh...no one tell him how much sci-fi there is in GI Joe. haha
Only Jordan peterson can use more words to say less than this guy. When everything is a deflection, maybe there's simply no substance there.
😂 Good one! At least the guest didn't use the term "metaphysical substrates."
Lmao, perfect comment my dude
His chart had me spitting my morning coffee 😂😂😂
@@Stable_Genius Nor the terms _crystal,_ _vibration,_ _quantum,_ or _lattice._ (Might have to wait for his book for those to make an appearance.)
For 30 years my family and friends had me labeled as ‘the conspiracy theorist’. I’ve always smiled at them and told them that one day, you will all be coming to me for direction and advice on the subject. What to pay attention to, what to ignore. What’s credible, what’s not. What books to read and which people to listen too and most importantly, what questions to ask themselves. . now that their entire world view is not what they thought it was. It’s what I always knew it was.
‘I told you so’ feels so good after 30 years of eye rolling.
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These stories of UAP and whatnot always remind me of Carl Sagan's story "The Dragon in my Garage". 95% or more of this interview overlaps verbatim with other interviews of Elizondo. I love JMG and his approach to science and science fiction, so thumbs up for trying to explore this topic. But every time some sensible question is asked, we get the reply "I'm not at liberty to say more", "it's classified", "I cannot tell" or similar BS. So we learn zero. Who are the people he talked to? Where are they? What did he see? When? Why does he believe he was told the truth? Did he see any hard evidence and where is it? The UAP stories are always about anecdotal evidence, something is invisible, heatless and incorporeal, but we should all believe they are real, like the dragon in my garage.
Awesome discussion. Looking forward to next week!
Lou made many comments about energy ,Einstein and physics , he made statements about biology ,that were non scientific and flawed ,untrue ,inaccurate .
It should be obvious to any proper scientist and there was no push back by the interviewer which is poor . It isn't journalism or even reporting and seems more like a book launch club.
If you’re giving a verified liar a stage I really hope you have the fortitude to address these many lies. Anyone giving that dirtbag a stage has welcomed his viewpoints and did nothing about his dirtiness. Please, ffs, don’t let John be one of these guys. Not this place 😢
My thoughts are this guy worked as a parking lot attendant at the pentagon.
Sort of what the CIA says
no, he was under Ric Prado at the cia. that is bad shit right there.
A lot of otherwise menial jobs require high level security clearances when the jobs are at TLAs.
I was just thinking of sharing this channel with the "Vetted" channel's community in case they didnt know about it. This will help some people find it I bet. If they some how havent.