I Was Wrong About Kazuya... Thank God
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Angry old man realises the dog isn't so bad after all
it’s almost like a character can change in a new game and it takes time to learn it
edit: Felt bad about being a bit too sarcastic and negative for my liking. Wanted to offset it with positivity, because it sounded like I could have been attacking tmm. I really appreciate the time tmm takes to learn and share all the new tech and with the new kazuya. Tmm was the reason why I wanted to pick up Kazuya in the first place, and I learn a lot from his videos. As such I was a bit disheartened that he seemingly wrote off the character so quickly in T8. I’m glad that he still stuck with him, and, after finding some of the depths of Kazuya’s new move set, I’m glad he’s coming around to him. I may have been a bit snarky, but I do appreciate the help he’s given to kazuya fans like me.
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It's almost like judging the entire competitive viability, changes, and strength based on 2 betas and a couple events where you just played them like it was T7 is a terrible idea
@@grantgarbour This! But you know, gotta get some content out somehow.
True but you have to realise that this character has been the same for like 15 years, so change for kazuya isn't as natural
It's almost like the characters have been mostly the same for 20 plus years and them getting a wild change or updated approach is almost like...Alien?
Some people are not used to the changes or new directions for characters. Sure MM jumped the gun but SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE DID. Not just Main Man with his character Kazyua but others had similar thoughts on Jin, King ect. Their fist impressions is 100% valid but like his opinion he can later change it.
He put the time into it and learned and shared so much tech JUST FROM THE DEMO. like come on
I don't think people understand how deep the tech in this game will go. It will be MUCH more than T7 imo.
I hope so
It definitely will heat alone opens up ALOTTA new mindgames and techs
That’s not really true having heat do so much just off a button that has guaranteed effects is not real depth when that space would have otherwise been filled by players outthinking the crap outta each other with some really unique and complicated movelists
@@TheTyroofToriyama Heat engages, heat burst, heat dash, heat smash, it’s not just one button. Also, the characters still have long and complicated move lists. That hasn’t changed.
@@TheTyroofToriyama what one button? Lol I don't think you have any idea at all what heat is or how t8 works... Like even a little bit.
I can really respect anyone that can admit they were wrong. Learned more and keep growing. Can’t wait to see your Kazuya get stronger and stronger through T8
people are just to quick to pass judgement on a game that is not even out yet lol
Honestly, it's rather problematic to just switch mindset the way he does. Imo
He went from saying the character was actually good - to the character is actually shit - to the character is actually cheap - to the character is actually good again and grows on him.
I understand changing your mind over something is normal, but that also means your judgment isn't completely clear from start either.
I wouldn't count on him to tell what's good with Kazuya on Tekken 8, I'll make my own opinion when the game releases, so far I like him. Lots of Bob vibes now.
@@Anonymous-dg5je tbh gaming youtubers need to let a game breathe before giving a take that usually ends up being horrendous 🤣🤣
@@JoltzDaGhost Exactly, they should either give themselves time or listen to their community more often... Like 31df Crouch Dash cancel and Middle ff2 sold me on Tekken 8 Kazuya for the most part.
I was being called a fool over there for saying these were actually really good lmao.
I've been trying to get used to this new playstyle and it's been really hard to adjust over from Tekken 7 Kazuya, glad to see there's still a good chance that my boy still has his 50/50 tech
Hello main main. Just writing this to appreciate your work. You've helped me enjoy Tekken past my anger and frustrations and look positively at my improvements rather than win streaks. As a long time Tekken fan who had started to dislike the game, I appreciate your numerous advice so much. Keep up the work.
Same
Oh, I'm so glad TMM didn't give up on character too soon. That's a dedication! Legacy lives.
All the people who used to regurgitate TMM's words saying Kazuya was bad are now regurgitating the same things in this video and saying Kazuya is good, people are so pathetic and can't form their own opinions.
@@riahisama what this shit has to do with me being glad tmm still playing Kazuya?
Deadass lmao bro was waffling about nothing
@@WunjoYT Kaz was never bad to begin with and he loves the aesthetics, why would he drop Kaz considering he's much better than he was in T7? Bro threw a tatrum over hellsweep doing recoverable damage, it happens, we've all been there at some point. MMS would never drop Kaz over something so insignificant in a million years.
I’m very happy Kaz has a punch parry. Was one of the only reasons I started playing the old man over Kaz.
I do think people are judging this game waaaaaaaaay too early.
way waaaaaaay too early
He's good for now but I want the double hell sweep back and also the shorter version of his special
@@sagemodemason972did they remove the short version of the spinning punch?
@@KazamaJoestar yep smdh some of his best moves
Man when this game drops we're gonna have to put in old school levels of labbing. Its really been a while since i had to lab a new fighter nearly from the ground up...
The game is not even out yet, it was obvious TMM was overreacting. Just going through the motions of new changes, there was no way he wasn't going to be playing Kazuya, anyone who bought that was a fool.
We played the beta with 19 characters. Those that weren't in the beta are even stronger because they don't get balanced until the game comes out.
In the beta he was bottom 3. Now he got nerfed since the beta. What makes you think it's overreacting?
Mainman just got told to shut up by bandai. He won't be playing kazuya. 100% it's not gonna be his main. It's just fun to use him in a demo with Jin and Nina. So between Paul and kazuya, of course it's kazuya. But in the full game there's no reason to use him, especially against players rather than braindead bots.
bruh a professional whiner and im not even saying that negatively
@@kato093 How do you even know they told him to not talk about Kazuya ?
@@kato093judging strength from a 3 day beta is already flawed reasoning
@@kato093 literally in this video he says he will most likely be maining kazuya. 4:25
"I spoke too soon"- Pretty much all of your criticisms.
Leroy on launch- Not broken, mid tier.
2 days later- I'm wrong Leroy's broken
Fahkumram on launch- Not broken unlike leroy
a month later- I'm wrong his movement is broken
Lidia on launch- balanced character and you need to get a clean hit to do her hellsweep!
one tournament later- Im' wrong, political storm is too strong, busted character.
Djin upon multiple nerfs- he's still good, everyone's exaggerating like Steve mains and Knee!
Upon the game's end of life- DJin is now garbage! Worst Mishima (source, his latest video on tier list T8)
Noctis: Ora and pfft are both cheap but other than that has bad tools and will never see tournament play
Upon the game's end of life- Noctis is too strong, I'm glad he's not coming back in tekken 8
Maybe don't rile up people to follow your cause too early and follow your own advise that you said on the podcast with Arya and Blasted Salami "Let the community learn and decide for sometime before calling for nerfs".
it's almost like he doesn''t know wtf he's talking about and people shouldn't listen to him
Both of you should shut the hell up.
This is how characters should be. No character should be completely inaccessible to beginners. Make all characters accessible but give them skill barriers to differ a pro from a scrub.
Fuck no
Extremely spammable overpowered move is definitely not the way to do it but yeah, all characters should be beginner-friendly in some ways.
Nope. some should be not easy to access. We have enouh easy to access characters
Naw I completely disagree with this, because there are some characters that have op moves that even a scrub can take advantage. This is how you get players that gate keep in purple and blue ranks, they never actually get good at the game, but they have a flow chart of characters most spammable bs. You aren’t actually getting better, and you will likely never get better than you are.
Soulcalibur 6 did that, literally every character no matter how advanced they are, they had some easy scrub moves for new comers
“I Was Wrong About Kazuya”
MishimaStar: Now, say my name.
Mishimastar deserves an apology
For what? Bandai Namco just gave mainman a slap on the wrist for complaining.
Kazuya is still trash bottom 5 characters in the game.
He is not trash bro ff2 will make people not to side step him and get killed, no magic 4 and b1 in the game, the oki system helps him a lot and he has way more options than he had in T7, and he has a punch parry and his d1+2 is broken the game didn't come out yet so we don't have to judge before playing it
@@kato093for making ppl saying T8 kazuya is boring while being 10 times more expressive than in T7.
The truth Is that T7 kazuya is way more boring even tho he's stronger than T8 kazuya
Who dat
@@kato093I really can't see anything wrong about that. He's not unusable, far from it. He is not a P.Jack. He is not a Vanila T5 Jin. He is pretty solid char with pretty thoughtful design and great tools. Bitching about him being weaker than some other char is beyond stupid.
As someone trying to get into T8, all these updated thoughts have been a rollercoaster
its due to tekkens nature!there is so much to the game that it take people a lot of time to optimize themselves for the new game.for the first 6 months of tk7, people call akuma lowtier even tho it was the most broken version of the character
If youre just getting into it you dont need to mind talks about whos good and whos less so, it likely wont make the same kinda difference anywhere near your level (or mine). Just play whoever is cool, worry about fine balance once you get competitive
Even though the comments are always throwing shots at Mainman and his takes (I'm no stranger to it) we still love what you do. One of the realest Tekken fans out there. 😅👍⚡
The 3,1 cancel was honestly the reason why I decided to stick with Kaz in Tekken 8.imo really fun. Glad to see MainMan liking the character!
I genuinely love hearing a guy talk about how fun his favorite character is to play
Its almost like judging the character without exploring him fully and without the game even being released yet was a bad idea 🤔
I agree but you gotta give the man credit for admitting he was wrong
@@vanilla_badger he has to or he was going to be clowned on
@@butteredtoast3032 So you're saying that is the *only* possible reason he admitted to being wrong?
@@metsu-satsu4280 no, but im saying its the main reason
@@butteredtoast3032 How so?
I like that they made devil mode more of a main gameplay mechanic considering his descent into madness through t7 and what weve seen in t8
Loving Kaz also like that they have 1,2 into high mid and low option. 3,1 cancel into 3,1 has some nutty damage and carry as well. The 3,1 cancel really uped his technical complexity and feels fluid once you get it down.
How do I do this cancel?
I’m new to T8 but have been playing Kazuya; I don’t know how cancel, ending up with rising buttons or too late to convert. Appreciate any help. 🙏🏼
@odatai1425 for sure! It takes a ton of muscle memory practice. If you are getting while rising attacks you aren't putting in enough forward inputs before using your attack input. It should be 3,1 hold down/forward and when you notice the crouch dash animation tap forward 2 times. If you are trying to going into df1, df2 after make sure you hold down the last forward and then slide into down forward and simultaneously hit 1. I would go into the rage art tutorial stage and practice it and do it over and over again without doing it in a combo until you can chain it back to back, same goes for the 3,1 cancel into 3,1. For 3,1 into 3,1 after the last forward input make sure you are in neutral before going back into 3,1. It'll get easier just requires a ton of practice I spent well over 20 hours practicing and can do it on both sides like 90 to 100% of the time now lol
4:07 that's basically what love is. Even the person has so many things u dislike u always finds a way to like the person more than what u dislike
Yes
Despite what people may say, I don't think TMM is some "bad" person for wanting to protect the genuine investment they've had in Tekken's long history. People can respond with "Why do you care so much what happens in a videogame?". But they're just being disingenuous, they all participate in social structures where status matters. They just would like to disguise themselves more morally than others. Using noble words such as "equality" to disguise their bid for attention and dominance. The passive aggressiveness and outrage of "casuals" more tyrannous than the "elitists" they claim to hate are always eternally present in these sorts of games.
I just respond with "Why do you care that I care? Clearly something I said upset you? Do you feel targeted?" Because honestly the people with those opinions do feel personally attacked and they are essentially advocating for the dumbing down of a legacy game series. I would feel the same way if someone just started changing the rules of football, soccer, boxing, chess, etc. to appeal to a more casual demographic. Whenever these changes occur it's always a net negative in the long run. There is no point in appealing to the type of person that is going to play the game for 1 month then drop it. Fromsoftware is doing the right thing and so are Bandai Namco. These are hard games they are not intentionally appealing to people that are going to go into this with alot of gaming related disadvantages there are hundreds of games for people that aren't mechanically inclined. Casuals also are not totally invested in dumbing down games they don't go into mortal kombat for example and try to learn all the moves and the hardest combos then cry when they can't do certain things they go in and want to see flashy shit and they want to see fatalities, GET OVER HERE, and dick punches that's it. I guarantee the majority of people advocating for the gimping of game systems are the people that simply do not want to put the work in they are the type of people that just want instant gratification and they want to be validated. They want to log on and see tekken god prime next to their username without putting the true effort needed to actually earn that title which just devalues everyone's experience.
i knew he'd change his mind on him after more labbing, and am sure there is more to discover.
This IS tekken alright.
It's almost as if a ton of people have said that Kazuya dooming was unfounded for a long time.
It wasn't unfounded though, literally the opposite. Tmm himself had to go uncover the hidden counterpoints to outweigh all the previous evidence.
@@lamellarm6546 They're not hidden lmao, the devs want Kazuya to be played with more variety. They made way more of his moveset viable now. This game will be out for years, mans were just impatient including TMM.
True, but they didn't bring any new info just an "idk" attitude.
once he found new broken stuff for kazuya now all of a sudden he is "fun" again, the MainFraudSWEE
why you mad
Facts
@@KoufalKoufax why u mad
I started playing Kazuya somewhat recently and it was because of TMM, I was sad when he said he won’t play him as much.. now this is super good news he figured things out and would like to continue to dominate with him! 🤩👍🏻
Tekken Balance Team : Ok, we'll NERF it.
I know Tmm doesn't like ff2 but i really do and that's one of the move i was so envious when we were still playing T7 couple of years ago.
Demon paw was at the top of my wishlist aswell as T7 story "kind of laser scraper"
Basically it looks a little bit like Devil jin's laser scraper but instead he does it with df2,1,2 in the story mode of T7.
Obviously the move would be busted as it is so i wasn't expecting nor wishing the move to be exactly brought to T8 just like that.
I just like the move sequence so after seeing Kaz heat smash i REALLY wish that was instead that sequence, being a triple mid string of some sort.
Maybe kind of like Jin heat smash, where if you simply press heat smash Kazuya does df2,1 ewgf into laser beam animation.
If you hold forward+2 he instead does df2,1,2 animation where he pushes you the wall.
That would've have been sick as fuck
Kazuya's demon paw is his legendary move from ttt1 but only devil could use it..
It looked flashy as hell but it had bad frames..
It's so glad we can use it now properly
I also don't think ff2 is too good right now, it's something kazuya needed..
If it hits kazuya only gets 20 damage and on block he completely loses the turn..
At the end of the day it's the slowest demon paw
Jin's i14
Dvj i15
Kazuyas i16
@@Jin_is_poor_mans_kazuya You have it in Tekken 7 aswell when in devil mode, but yeah it's -13
I'm actually glad he has a good demon paw in T8
As a king main i was kinda dissapointed that FF1 combo's are not going to be a thing anymore. But there will probably be discovered completely new high execution combo routes for every character once the game is out! Making everyone feel fresh again
feel like the 3,1~ cancels were overlooked so I'll say it here, they are 'clunky' you only need to do df3,2 after to see why...
proof being the game hard cancels your input if you attempt df3,2 after the CNT changes BUT still reads the directional input thus when you hit '2' you will find yourself doing dickjabs and even ws2. This is why I'd say the opposite is true of their intent for the combo route. They hard blocked you from ever wanting to attempt it.
IMO they removed this before they considered removing the orignal heat combos that it was demonstrated in and so he got double nerfed to the ground combo optimisation wise.
I can land 2x EWGF 1243 b2,1 fairly happily and staple it in most 5/4 bar connections in 7 including vs wifi.
But doing this new combo, even offline, is way more 'clunky' and will be a massive hurdle when online as you're fighting a combo that has a form of pewgf timing in it.
*Best Example Being*
The TTT2 (Kazuya / Jinpachi) Demon God Fist tag cancel into bound which you said at the time back in Kaz/Jinpachi 4 iirc that ''it is only for Gods'' to even attempt.
The timing is as clunky as that and making it a staple for every EWGF launch is pretty preposterous since the nerf was already uncalled for to begin with. Until it's reverted I'd say they 100% do not want you to be doing this combo route as they have done everything they could to make it as jank as possible to deter you from ever wanting to try.
Everything that is kazuya in one combo - well said boss exactly what namco intended
Who saw this one coming from a mile away? Since when was it ever a good idea to write of a character before the game even releases? The amount of tech that's going to come out of week one alone is going to dwarf what we already know about the game.
Glad to hear you've adjusted to the changes.
Look forward to seeing you master this new version of Kazuya.
Just think of the high-pressure situations of a kazuya, staring at somebody dead on with a little bit of heat remaining, and then the opponent needing to guess if they’re gonna go for heat smash or for a mid, i don’t think you low parry it either
Watch them change everything on launch and we get a new video why Kazuya is worse in T8.
Of course you were wrong, you just were resistant to change. Now you have a whole army of TMM butt sniffers out there crying that Kaz is trash lol.
😂
Exactly. Smfh it doesn’t help that TMM uses extremely strong trigger words like “broken” and “trash” when he describes characters and moves as well.
Like he has lost all nuance in both speech and his ability to wait for more information on characters.
@@TheLegendofDaddyPoppa that's one of my biggest pet peeves not just with TMM but with alot of people. Simply calling a move/ strong character 'broken' or 'busted' when the reality is that it doesn't break the game in anyway or in other words it's just 'OP' (I.e jin d2, feng in general)
I thought the word 'broken' was reserved for moves like Steve's infinite in t5 or jins jf bf2,1,df2 in t4, moves with unintended exploits. or a character like Akuma in t7 who doesn't play the rules of the game. It just makes no sense
The 🍆🚴♂️ is insane, same with all the Jin haters now meanwhile everybody is on crack in Tekken 8
I noticed that if they are face down near the wall you can get 2 or 3 steal pedals in a row okie that they get trapped into unless the ghost was just clueless lol
" I'm most likely going to main him" Yes Sirrrrr!
Tmm dislikes kazuya being a beginner friendly character. But that's also good thing. Newcomers would also want to play main villain of the lore. We can't deny them.
Imagine they buff him because everyone was saying that he is bad and when the game comes out he's going to be powerful
Was surprised you didn’t cast the Tekken world tour, excited to see all your Tekken 8 content though
Welcome Back Mainman! we all know you're going to make kazuya work no matter what!
this is what i thought day 1. They wanted to change his identity to be even more mixup heavy but a bit safer at the same time. That really was his problem in 7 hes just too linear. Now he has insane depth in the mix up potential and tracking. people just needed time to figure out his new identity and proper playstyle thats most effective.
"I WAS WRONG ABOUT KAZUYA" lmfao where's the dude who said he's gonna make a video called that
So people starting to realize the game is not solved during a beta/demo, that's surprising
I played Kazuya in Tekken 8 and liked him way more than in 7, I played him in 7 but 8's version just feels so much better.
yeah he is much easier to use unlike t7 requires maximum effort to do something.
@@KoufalKoufaxI can see it yeah
Oh wow crazy how he now finally adjusted to how Kazuya should be played now instead of assuming he’s bad because you can’t play him like you use to in Tekken 7. OH MY GOD!!
U spoke to soon about kazuya . Same as king Jae, he spoke to soon on the release date of Tekken 8 L0L.
They did it with Nina too. Her chain grabs are super easy one button now. But adds complexity especially with heat perks
Now all the weak players without their own opinion will start saying the same thing tmm did..
Weak 🐏
Exactly these guys are not even kazuya fans, they just jump on a bandwagon of the influencers..
@@Jin_is_poor_mans_kazuya
It's the Kazuya players that were making the most noise, chief
It’s kind of the same with all these people saying they knew MainMan was wrong. It’s the opposing bandwagon.
And this belief only appears because MainMan decided to admit that he wasn’t accurate in his complaints.
@@UltimateBallaPOM that happened only after tmm called T8 kazuya boring..
If tmm had said T8 kazuya is the most fun and top 1 most of the kazuyas would still believe him.
It's honestly pathetic
@@bonfist7277 not in my case, you can find my comments in the video, on the day tmm initially said "kazuya is weak, no identity" and all kind of nonsense he mentioned in that video
"I spoke too soon" was a statement I saw coming 🤬
I have never in my entire life seen anybody using the "🤬" unironically.
@@ShikiRyougi05 Get used to it
4:26 hearing this nearly brought a tear to my eye
I can’t wait for the match ups with all the top tier characters vs this new version of kazuya , it’s a great twist to making him feel more like more balanced but also more powerful
I'm really glad that he still can shine. It really felt overshadowed by the Jin's super op take at first, and that he wasn't going to be viable. I still don't like the fact that heavens gate after helsweep in devil form no longer requires a quick cd 1 and now you only have to press 1 to do it, but it is what it is. Very happy for the other stuff he explained anyways.
Devil kazuya low laser is sick ,
satisfying too
I think what we have to realize is that, Kazuya isn’t the only character who changed. The entire game changed, so Kazuya might still be difficult depending on match ups and much newer everyone plays now
Who would’ve seen this coming wow.
Harda did it again ❤ we are saved! All hail to Kazuya 🎉🎉🎉 I will finally be able to use him !
This is so true. Returning Kazuya main, i cnt believe i cn play well even without a perfect electric. Kazuya actually has options now than his staple starters than the last game.
Are you trying to get him nerfed before official release?
MainMan was the only person who thought he'd drop Kazuya. I figured he would lab him again to try to see if there was anything to like or be vindicated. I knew he would make a few attempts to make it work
I knew from the beta and CNT that Kazuya was just fine.
Yay! MM and Kazuya are back on good terms. The world just feels libra a better place when that’s the case.
I really hope that after I get my hands on T8 I can find stuff like this with Jin. Obviously Jin and Kas are very different, but I hope I can find similar new rewarding higher execution stuff. I'm just praying that he isn't fully brain dead now lmao.
The execution Kazuya needs on an Xbox controller (specifically the dpad) is crazy. Sometimes it feels like input delay.
That's what I never understood about mainman's previous Kazuya rants. Especially when he touched on how boring Kazuya combos are now. The moment I saw that 3,1 cancel was a thing I thought this was the coolest thing ever. And made want to play him even more and yes he didn't have some valid points about Kazuyas nerfs like removing df1, 4 I definitely feel like they gave him so much more for the player to entertain themselves will when using Kazuya. Like Kazuya in heat is so much more fun than Jin in heat even though Jin is my main. But all in all om glad tmm finally came around to liking Kazuya and will continue maining him 🎉
the stuff that MMSWE initially disliked so much are a double edged sword -- lowered barrier to entry but (more importantly) thing that were a little more fair to the character. it gives one pride to use a difficult character well, like in tekken 7, but part of his "difficulty" was that they had him in a crappy position with lacking certain tools completely and then also being clunky/inconsistent -- which was not the case with more successful characters
Knew you were wrong in the first place. He's fun as hell in T8
For me I've always liked kazuya and wanted to pick him up but because of how difficult he was to use effectively without grinding and spending alot of effort or otherwise you end up suffering with him in the game. I didn't end up picking the character that grabbed my attention the most and I thought I liked the most. I loved that he had a high skill ceiling that only made me wanna play him more. But suffering when trying to play him online sure as hell didn't. But now with the direction Namco is moving him I'm very inclined to try to pick him up again
Hi man what controller do you use? do you use a fight game pad? if so which one would you recommend?
Finally biasedmanswe realized kaz isn't as bad as he thought👏👏
Let’s see how long he takes to realize he was wrong about Jin too, his whole opinion will change eventually when the game is out
I don't think his opinions of Jin will ever change, dude thinks Jin is this god character and nothing will ever change that. I am not even a Jin main and I can tell there is resentment for some reason of Jin as a character.
The real question is, we'll see Kazuya often in tournaments now?
The best thing tekken can do is lower the barrier to entry but raise the skill ceiling
MAINMANSWE IS BACK
i've been trying really hard to learn how TMM is doing WS move out the new 3,1,DF into God wind step. I understand that in the past, you may hold back after CD to do WS+2 or WS1+2. Is this the same idea here?
I'm glad you've found the fun in the reworks to your boy. As I see it, Kazuya in this game has gotten a decent amount of Devil's bullshit and new stuff inspired by it, so with t8 kaz here we're also talking about Devil as well to some extent. I understood the perspective of "rip t7 kaz" and will miss him as well, but it's a universal truth of tekken: Devil MUST be cheap as fuck 😂
Also, some dude find a way to bound after 3 ewgf without heat. But I dont know if it works on right side.
I still wish his heat was cooler. That's my biggest gripe. Look at Devil Jin's moveset that doesnt need heat, then look at kazuyas that does, It's lame
8:53 TH-cam curse
How do you stand fast after the mist step? I'm always getting mist step follow-ups instead of standing attacks.
Do you mean crouch dash/ wave dash? In a crouch dash, if you do Forward + a move you can do "FF" inputs during it.
So during wavedash you can do FF+2 by doing F+2.
If you mean mist step like just tapping forward once, I believe that is the same as a sidestep, you can just cancel it by moving in any way.
what im hearing is lil majin is a kazuya main now
How "surprising" that TMM falls back in love with kaz.
Great video ❤, but how we do (3,1 wave dash cancel) , i am stuck trying to perform this combo)
Also Kazuya was never weak in any of the pre release builds, you're gonna have a bunch of sheep calling him strong again because its TMM approved.
Tmm still put him B
@@8minato Tiers are relative to the rest of the cast. It doesn't even make sense to be putting anyone in a tier when we don't know how the rest of the cast fares. The game has not even been released yet, TMM hasn't even fully grasped what his main can do let alone the 31 other characters who he hasn't even touched or went up against.
Bottom 5 is weak
@@kato093he’s literally not bottom 5 though, the system changes help kazuya so much, get up options are worse so kazuyas oki game is even better, braindead d1+2 that’s literally a better verison of Jin’s 2 that main man was constantly moaning about, no more safe magic 4s so electric is now the go to safe launcher still remains plus on block and less things can counter it, and his damage without walls is very good with masku tech better than most characters, only his wall carry is bad everything else is great, electrics deal chip damage so you can’t just turtle against kazuya
@@8minatotf does that matter when the game isn't even out yet?
Saw this video coming from miles away lol
i have no idea how to wavedash cancel
They're gonna kit kazuya with nerfs now lol
@chat or tmm how do you get the launch after the 3-1 wavu cancel? I’m not sure if that’s df1-2 or twin pistons but either way I don’t know how to get that move out of a wavedash can someone help?
So basically he's easier to pick up but still hard to master
Themainmanswe moves a lot when he speaks
So basically while the skill floor for Kazuya has been greatly lowered, the skill *ceiling* for Kazuya is still the same?
Glad your hype for your main has been preserved 🔥
Hoped you found that out. You were sad about kazuya
Its like they knew what they were doing
Watch the comment section now in t8 videos where the players mindlessly bashing anything Kazuya positive because your fav comment creators said he is bad.
how are you getting twin piston to connect after the 3 1 cancel in the staple combo? It doesn't seem to work for me I keep getting thunder God fist
3,1 df ⭐️ f df1,d2
Its not twin piston
To be clear mainman isn't gatekeeping or being elitist here. He makes guides to help players improve ffs. like him, I like that some characters are difficult to use, like you have to earn to play them. You spend time getting better at them and you are rewarded with a strong and cool looking character.
Imagine in basketball you work hard on your three point shot only for the league to make the three point line closer 😂 how would you feel?
Glad too see TMM enjoying kaz, im also warming up to him in the demo, but i still have my gripes
-DB2 should knock down, its so usless just forcing crouch, on heihachi would have been good, but kaz doesnt have a super good fullcrouch game so, also he kinda lacks power mid in T8 and his splatting db2 into ff4 is kinda needed
- df1 still sucks, i know tmm found a better combo route that makes it consistent, but it kinda kills expression as you have only 2 routes, the double electric TMM combo or a scrub 3,1,4 combo no real in-between. Also kaz just also kaz kinda still misses a df1 now? Like every character has a normal df1 (13f +7ish on hit -2ish on block) and characters that dont have it trade it for a variation of said tool, like pauls df1 into sway or kaz old df12 knockdown into ff4 for 50ish dmg. In tekken 8 he has nothing? Like i know df12 is now a heat engager and df14 hives you frames, but they are both highs, block, duck and launch, you can in theory mix it up with Df1df2 but does like 15 dmg and thats it, oh wow so scary, and the opponent doenst even HAVE to take the mix. Maybe either incresing the dmg, giving better reward or making df1 like -3 on block and 14 frames would be better (also alone it does 11 damage wth)
-cd44 can we get an increase in dmg and maybe make it like d.jins ch44, doing true dmg while resetting to neutral, actually haveing a reason to use it
Other than that T8 kaz is actually pretty fun, iunno how good he'll eventually be, but hes fun
My wishlist:
- df12 ff4 should be guaranteed
- punch parry should be unsafe instead of safe but ff4 should be guaranteed if the parry is successful
- cancel on 1223
yeah his combos remain pretty boring, they're still basically forcing u to play with his new cancel shenanigans otherwise your combos will either drop or hardly rewarding
Well at least they made dragon uppercut (or thunder god fist... still not use to that name) a tailspin move, seriously that was the best decision tekken 8 has made for kazuya... if only those same people did the same for devil jin. XD
Imagine if Namco decide to kill off Kazuya in Tekken 8 and he won't come in Tekken 9. In Tekken 9 Kazuya will be replaced with a school boy with some Kazuya moves. 😂
MM and a lot of Kazuya mains gonna get angry (including me).
Please don't let Kazuya have the same fate as Heihachi in the Story mode.
They kinda did this exact thing in T3
@@theperfectpourdifferent times without the internet..
I don't think they would ever dare to kill kazuya in lore again given Kazuya's popularity