Such a refreshing way to watch you explain the differences on both of these “similar” 150 bikes. Clear and straightforward comparison. Well done mate and good luck come race day!
That was rad, super interesting and props for telling it like it is without any BS. The pommy geeza piss take was gold, made me bleedin' larf guvna, do what, cor blimey. Roll on EWS #1.
Great insight Jack, thanks! This is was of the most interesting mtb videos I've ever watched. So good to see a pro racer's thought process. I would have never guessed one would choose the "older" geometry bike to race on, but it makes sense the way you explained it. If you could have Canyon make a custom frame just for you to race on what would the geo and travel be like? Also, since you like sharing your set up, can you do a video on tyre choice? What's your favourite tread and what changes do you do for different track conditions? Cheers & good luck at the races!
Thanks for this one and great to hear your thought process on your decision! And while so many wonder how an updated strive will look like, maybe there is no real reason to update it (a lot), since these two bike complement each other and offer distinct advantages... I'm also surprised that both bikes apparently work so well even with 180 mm in the front, but good to know how different you can set them up. Right now I'm happy with my 150 pike Speccy. Cheers and good luck!
That was a solid explanation of geometry differences in both bikes and the way it changes which is more suitable in different circumstances. As a newbie it puts in perspective what you need to consider when looking for an all rounder to suit your local trails, when researching it’s easy to be hypnotised into thinking long and slack with steep STA is the best way, for a plodder like me who is never charging anything more than Glenrock, Awaba XC, Stromlo, Thredbo flow etc I am glad I went with ‘conservative’ geo. Shortish wheel base, 140/130, 66 HTA, 75 STA. Cheers for the vid, enjoying following your journey.
Jack, when I started watching was very curious how this would go and have to say, you did a bang up job, especially with the breakdown of the ride characteristics of both bikes and how it can effect you depending on what sort of riding you're doing. Especially good point comparing racing DH to Enduro, where practice is limited, no sense running your own trails all the time and getting faster and faster, saying that slack & long is best, when that won't be the case on most Enduro races and will likely not remember every corner and need to make some split second reaction, decisions when you come on a tight corner you forgot about. Only thing I will say that I think is a bit "weird" is that you put a 180mm fork on both, which for the Strive is only 10mm than stock, whereas for the Spectral it's 30mm more travel, so the geo of the Strive would only have changed about 1/2 degree, whereas the Spectral would have changed by about 1.5 degrees, making it somewhere around 63 degrees HTA and the Strive a 64.5 degree HTA, which is actually closer to the Spectral geo with stock 150mm travel fork. To me this says you want geo of the Spectral or close, but based around 180mm travel in the fork with a less progressive suspension. Now this all really doesn't add up just saying travel, you need to have a specific A2C height to compare, because if you just compare the CF7 to CF8 version of the Spectral, the CF7 comes with a 150mm RS Lyric and the CF8 comes with a 160mm FOX F36, but then the Strive V7 comes with a 170mm Fox F36 and the V8 comes with a 170mm Lyric. So it seems on the Spectral they're changing travel to make sure the A2C matches, but not on the Strive? :-\
Thanks Mate, tried to describe what I felt, wasn't sure if that would translate properly to others. Yeah to make a long story short, basically I want to run 180 up front for the gnarly tracks over here.. It comes in at 63.1 on the spectral, and 64 on the strive. I didn't think this would be too bad as some bikes are running 63.5 HA stock. I really need to play around with angle sets on spectral to do this properly, didn't have the time or resources this year (have been on a pike for the last few months at home). I'm trying to see what is the better bike for me to race enduro on, and there is no chance I'll ever be running a 150 fork for that, so I can't match A2C of stock bike.
Sick video. Despite the fact you're a way better rider than any of the folks interested in watching this video, you still made it super relevant and probably helped out some young riders massively with bike setup and racing.
I ride an ‘18 Slayer and you helped me understand why the less progressive linkage allowed me to feel less fatigued on longer rides. Was looking at the Altitude but now considering the Strive. Thanks gentleman Jack👊🏽
Jeese man. Trying to figure out the difference between the two bikes. Canyon hides the rear travel numbers on their site, took me minutes to figure out that they're both 150mm bikes. They decided to give them similar names too. Genius
Big respect to the man Jack though, from another tall glass of water. I'm 6'6 and I've copied over some of your setup to my bike (tall stack, narrow bars). Feels good man
@@sammyhed yeah for some reason everyone thinks spectral is a smaller travel bike. Probably just cause it comes stock with shorter travel forks. Thanks dude!
@@moimoitv_ Our first Spectral Bike, back in 2015, was our first 29er Bike with 130mm travel back and front. This is why. Over the years it turns into an light enduro. :)
Mate, well done on the process to choose the best bike for the job and not just sticking to what you thought was going to be ideal. Ironically when I got a '20 Strive the Spectral was still 27.5 so it was the opposite to how they compare now!. Loving your vids, and good luck come raceday!
Brilliant comparo, cheers. The time and effort to share this is appreciated. Insane riding… Now the decision is made, you’ll be able to focus on the one.
Thank you Jack for sharing your insight! Having had both bikes I definitely see what you mean. Love both bikes and couldn’t agree more! Good luck this season!
Haha. 21.51 "I'm no enduro expert". So it's beginner's luck then? This is exactly what I was looking for. I have a 2020 Strive CF9.0, which I love. I've been thinking about how much it would cost me to make the jump to a Spectral CFR, and honestly, I can't afford it right now. I love the Strive for where I'm riding, and one of my local tracks got a mention, AWABA downhill. I love exploring new places though, and with your wise words (and hard work) Jack, I think I don't need to worry about jumping bikes. What I have is good for me, so not surprisingly, it just feels right on most stuff. The thing is with factory direct bikes, it is hard to get a test ride, so this hard earned info from a "non-enduro expert" (read, enduro world champ) is gold. Thanks Jack and all the best for this season. Hope the shoulder comes good.
yeah I just got my spectral, love it, was actual faster around my local XC track at kentlyn, than on my 2019 norco sight, but yeah I feel the length when I whip, almost stuffed up as I yanked well hard to get it out sideways!
Wow. Probably the best tech comparo between two bikes ever! PS ... bet that San Remo is nothing like the real one! .... you cant just duck down to Budgee for some fish and chips after ... lol.
I'd have chosen the Spectral, mainly because I dislike the Shapeshifter thing on the Strive. It just seems like more unnecessarily complicated stuff that could go wrong during a race. Also the more modern geometry suits my riding a lot better. I'm good in the tight and twisty bits, but I want all the help and confidence I can get in the rough and fast sections.
Finally a really, really good comparison! And good choice, mate!! Surprised I found myself being nervous for what you would say in the end - since I couldn´t find any real good comparison when I chose myself this winter - but ended up choosing the 2021 Strive eventually for the technical, rocky and tight trails here on the west coast of Sweden. Thanks for confirming my theory! I would also like to add that in "click-mode" the Strive turns into a really good pedaling and climbing trail bike or even borderline XC bike, especially with lighter tires and if you slam the seat all the way forward. One bike to rule them all! :)
Yeah you can't really go wrong with either bike, but sounds like you made a good decision. I did forget to mention that in the video of the strive! but if I raced the spectral I would of ran a rear shock lockout anyway so would of been similar.
Awesome insight on soooo many levels! This is what most riders I think want to know especially from someone who really can separate the benefits for key riding scenarios. For me this answers the question that I'd rather have confidence and agility in the tech and sacrifice a lil security in the flat out straight lines. As it's the tech where you actually need to utilize your skills! Well for me anyway! Awesome video cheers! Braaaap! 🙌
Really nice comparsion and description how you feel on them. I think the 180 fork and Megneg is perfect for the Strive. I run the same on my Strive without that special spacer 😜 and it feels like super fluffy 🤗 Real nice riding from you and dimi 🔥🔥 Also finally you run your gopro chesty cam with superview 😝 Much better angle than your last videos from home. Best luck for the EWS Jack 🤟🏻
Nice in depth comparison. Your theory on the limited run, timed laps was the smart way to go. Not just a pretty face after all eh? I got my strive about a year ago sometimes feel I may be over biked for the trails I ride. Ie youies, Bright etc in Vic. But the extra forgiveness has saved noob arse a few times. Figured any decent bike's a good enough bike at my level of riding.
I'm glad to see that Canyon bikes can take a beating like that. I bought a Canyon Stoic 4 for my first Canyon bike and am now looking at getting a full sus. The spectral is the one I'm currently looking at for my main trail bike and was wondering how they hold up against other brands.
Yeah I forgot to mention that in the video, I use it on flat stages or climbs in stages. If I raced the spectral though I would of had a rear lock out switch on it.
Really honest review that I have seen at the moment, mate can you give a piece of advice? I'm about to buy a Canyon (strive cf 7 or spectral 29 cf 7) but still can't decide which one of those buy it, I've been riding for over two years now, I usually ride trail and enduro depending on the mood of the day. Wich one can you say I would go for?
Mad dog, have ya tried the spectral in a M with a touch longer stem? Like 45 or 50? Would give you the reach of the strive and would be as easy to weight the front and only 8mm shorter wheelbase than the strive.. I reckon the spectral feels better in the fast chunk because of head angle not just longer wheelbase, you don’t get as hung up with a slacker head angle as it lets the fork push back from impacts a lot smoother rather than “catching” if that makes sense. Peace out. Rooter
Great insights Jack! Would you recommend the Spectral to a more beginner rider that wants to race the occasional local enduro since it seems it would trade in some comfort and some seconds in tighter/techier stuff but provide more safety/stability and have a bit of pop for fun due to the progressivity? Also if that's the case, would you recommend to the same rider to flip the chip to the high setting for tighter/techier or unknown tracks?
Very interesting insight Video. Thank you. Sounds Like you need a Strive Prototype with updated Geo. Isnt Canyon working with you together when it comes to designing new Race Bikes? Cheers
Thanks for that great review. Exactly what I was waiting for. Anyway for me I would choose the Spectral, because it's more capable for a every day use. Touring, Uphill and Trailriding. And with the 160mm fork you can shred as well. Can you say something about the uphill performance on both bikes? Is there a big noticeable difference on the Strive with the Shape Shifter engaged?
Left that bike at home. Kind of thought I was racing the spectral, but now that I’m more comfy with the strive on tracks over here we are building up a new green and grey one for the first EWS
Well I can’t say I’m upset haha…. As you know I’m one of those pesky race fans wondering what you’d settle on - and a happy little vegemite on my own 2019 Strive. “Why can’t you have both?” To quote a line from that taco ad haha! Mate I actually don’t care what you ride as long as you’re kicking some world class ass under the Aussie flag boi! Best wishes for a killer EWS season and try to keep “ya maddogs” vlogs coming. I know you’ll be busy 🤙🏻
I feel like although the strive feels more clunky it'll probably more practical than the spectral. I feel like 6 hours on some large travel cushion is much more do-able than hopping around the track on a bike that's punching up. just my thinking
Nice video, thanks for the detailed comparison! I'm hoping to get a Spectral (fingers crossed there will be some available eventually). I'm curious if you ever tried running the Spectral in the "high" setting on the FlipChip?
Canyon spectral CF: Well, congratulations on the video, I get this bike in August, I measure 1.82 and 84 inseam, canyon advises me an M, how do you see it? Thanks in advance
Great video. I think your point about riding on a track you don't know vs. riding one you're very familiar with is really insightful. Like most good insights, it sounds really simple when explained, but yet I've never heard anyone point it before! I am curious though - with 180mm forks on both bikes the Spectral must be really slack, maybe below 63 degrees (?). Do you think the Spectral could be faster with either a shorter fork (160-170) or an angleset to bring the head angle back to 64-64.5?
Yeah this was super important for Me. I noticed this at my first world enduro in 2016. I had my bike setup for park laps super stiff and I couldn’t hang on for a 15 minute stage. Yeah it definitely works better with the shorter travel, but I really want the 180 fork for the gnarly runs, this suits the strive better
Hey Jack... First things first: congrats for your ews win! You rode a brilliant season and deserved the win even so I'm pretty sure you would have prefered to race against Richie in Scotland (pretty sure it would have been the same outcome as well 😉). Maybe you can give me a small advice concerning bike setup? I'm thinking about a Megneg upgrade for my spectral 29 but was wondering if the bike kinematics aren't too progressive to begin with? Then I saw you're riding one on your spectral. What are your impressions... Is it a worthy upgrade? Thanks mate!
nice review Jack much appreciated, just one thing, what size Spectral did you ride and what's your height? im 6ft and in-between sizes would be good to know your thoughts on fitment
Hey mate, ever had any issues with your BITS tool ejecting? Had mine about 6 months and it's started to self eject during rides. Luckily I found it both times!
@@moimoitv_ well, out of the box, Strive fork is 170 and Spectral 160 or even 150. Many think rear travel always reflects fork travel. If someone could explain why Strive geo pairs with longer fork travel, that would be great!
Nice one, thanks Jack. Do you think the spectral is too long/slack for your average punter as a trail bike? Some alpine stuff some flatter local trails etc?
It feels a lot better with the pike as this is what it’s designed for. Or if you just run a lower travel Zeb, I would have to play around with angle sets for the 180 set up.
Jack - your strive has a spacer under the head tube to increase head angle (presume this is the main purpose) - what was the target or new H/A you achieved?
Nah not sure, will check with Tommy. Next off season I will play around with angle sets and stuff for it, cause it is pretty slack with the 180. Just didn't have any of the parts to do it this time due to the lack of supply from the pandemic.
@@moimoitv_ Yeah bro it would be probably sitting around 63 degrees I reckon haha, no wonder she’s felt a little sluggish in the tight stuff haha 😂 Fkn pandemic strikes again ey with the parts...
You”ll smoke em, no matter the rig anyways cheif. Good luck 😉
@@chadsugden411 Yeah just checked with Tommy, it was sitting at 63.13. Definitely too slack. Few bikes running 63.5 stock though... Need to try that set up with an offset headset this off season!
Dude, you could race a shopping cart down the hill and still podium 😂 . Love the channel 🤘
When you first dropped in. I thought. Whoa. Jack’s mechanic is a total pinner! Didn’t realise till the end it was the party boi on the camera.
Haha yeah Tom goes good, but party boi is very fast!
One of the best technical comparisons I've ever seen on youtube, combined with sick riding. Best of luck this season!
Yoooo, thanks Man 👊🏻
Such a refreshing way to watch you explain the differences on both of these “similar” 150 bikes. Clear and straightforward comparison. Well done mate and good luck come race day!
Thanks, was worried My point wouldn't come across properly 😅
That was rad, super interesting and props for telling it like it is without any BS. The pommy geeza piss take was gold, made me bleedin' larf guvna, do what, cor blimey. Roll on EWS #1.
Thanks M8. Haha I tried
Great insight Jack, thanks! This is was of the most interesting mtb videos I've ever watched. So good to see a pro racer's thought process. I would have never guessed one would choose the "older" geometry bike to race on, but it makes sense the way you explained it. If you could have Canyon make a custom frame just for you to race on what would the geo and travel be like? Also, since you like sharing your set up, can you do a video on tyre choice? What's your favourite tread and what changes do you do for different track conditions? Cheers & good luck at the races!
Thanks for this one and great to hear your thought process on your decision!
And while so many wonder how an updated strive will look like, maybe there is no real reason to update it (a lot), since these two bike complement each other and offer distinct advantages...
I'm also surprised that both bikes apparently work so well even with 180 mm in the front, but good to know how different you can set them up.
Right now I'm happy with my 150 pike Speccy.
Cheers and good luck!
Yeah My 150 pike Speccy is still My bike of choice for ripping the trails back home 😎. Thanks Mate!
That was a solid explanation of geometry differences in both bikes and the way it changes which is more suitable in different circumstances. As a newbie it puts in perspective what you need to consider when looking for an all rounder to suit your local trails, when researching it’s easy to be hypnotised into thinking long and slack with steep STA is the best way, for a plodder like me who is never charging anything more than Glenrock, Awaba XC, Stromlo, Thredbo flow etc I am glad I went with ‘conservative’ geo. Shortish wheel base, 140/130, 66 HTA, 75 STA. Cheers for the vid, enjoying following your journey.
Thanks Mate 👊🏻
Jack, when I started watching was very curious how this would go and have to say, you did a bang up job, especially with the breakdown of the ride characteristics of both bikes and how it can effect you depending on what sort of riding you're doing. Especially good point comparing racing DH to Enduro, where practice is limited, no sense running your own trails all the time and getting faster and faster, saying that slack & long is best, when that won't be the case on most Enduro races and will likely not remember every corner and need to make some split second reaction, decisions when you come on a tight corner you forgot about.
Only thing I will say that I think is a bit "weird" is that you put a 180mm fork on both, which for the Strive is only 10mm than stock, whereas for the Spectral it's 30mm more travel, so the geo of the Strive would only have changed about 1/2 degree, whereas the Spectral would have changed by about 1.5 degrees, making it somewhere around 63 degrees HTA and the Strive a 64.5 degree HTA, which is actually closer to the Spectral geo with stock 150mm travel fork. To me this says you want geo of the Spectral or close, but based around 180mm travel in the fork with a less progressive suspension.
Now this all really doesn't add up just saying travel, you need to have a specific A2C height to compare, because if you just compare the CF7 to CF8 version of the Spectral, the CF7 comes with a 150mm RS Lyric and the CF8 comes with a 160mm FOX F36, but then the Strive V7 comes with a 170mm Fox F36 and the V8 comes with a 170mm Lyric. So it seems on the Spectral they're changing travel to make sure the A2C matches, but not on the Strive? :-\
I think the GEO changes are more on the Strive as there is a spacer under the Head Tube (as many Canyon pro racers add) to increase H/A
@@exhibitD79 Yeahpp!
Thanks Mate, tried to describe what I felt, wasn't sure if that would translate properly to others. Yeah to make a long story short, basically I want to run 180 up front for the gnarly tracks over here.. It comes in at 63.1 on the spectral, and 64 on the strive. I didn't think this would be too bad as some bikes are running 63.5 HA stock. I really need to play around with angle sets on spectral to do this properly, didn't have the time or resources this year (have been on a pike for the last few months at home).
I'm trying to see what is the better bike for me to race enduro on, and there is no chance I'll ever be running a 150 fork for that, so I can't match A2C of stock bike.
Mad riding and mad analysis! Good luck on the one that starts with an S (no spoilers)
Haha. Thanks Mate!
Sick video. Despite the fact you're a way better rider than any of the folks interested in watching this video, you still made it super relevant and probably helped out some young riders massively with bike setup and racing.
Thanks Dude 🤘🏼
I ride an ‘18 Slayer and you helped me understand why the less progressive linkage allowed me to feel less fatigued on longer rides. Was looking at the Altitude but now considering the Strive. Thanks gentleman Jack👊🏽
Chyeaaa boi 👊🏻
Brilliant analysis jack, really enjoyed your viewpoint, good luck with the new season dude👌
Brilliant insight into how a pro analyses and chooses a rig. What a legend!
Thanks Man 🤙🏻
Jeese man. Trying to figure out the difference between the two bikes. Canyon hides the rear travel numbers on their site, took me minutes to figure out that they're both 150mm bikes. They decided to give them similar names too. Genius
Big respect to the man Jack though, from another tall glass of water. I'm 6'6 and I've copied over some of your setup to my bike (tall stack, narrow bars). Feels good man
@@sammyhed yeah for some reason everyone thinks spectral is a smaller travel bike. Probably just cause it comes stock with shorter travel forks. Thanks dude!
@@moimoitv_ Our first Spectral Bike, back in 2015, was our first 29er Bike with 130mm travel back and front. This is why. Over the years it turns into an light enduro. :)
Mate, well done on the process to choose the best bike for the job and not just sticking to what you thought was going to be ideal. Ironically when I got a '20 Strive the Spectral was still 27.5 so it was the opposite to how they compare now!. Loving your vids, and good luck come raceday!
Yeahhh full 180 haha. I felt bad cause they painted Me a knew custom strive and I wasn't gonna use it. All good now though 😁
Awesome review on both bikes jack. all the best for the season.
Thankyou Man. Excited to get started next week!
Brilliant comparo, cheers. The time and effort to share this is appreciated. Insane riding… Now the decision is made, you’ll be able to focus on the one.
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Thank you Jack for sharing your insight! Having had both bikes I definitely see what you mean. Love both bikes and couldn’t agree more! Good luck this season!
think when i take out my 2021 cf8 strive tomorrow, i wont 2nd guess it no more, super honest review from a different perspective
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Great review Jack! Sounds like a Spectral and a Strive both in the stable is the way to go.
I ride a bully 27.5 spectral. I love it ... Good luck with the races. Shine like Troy 🤙🏆🥇
Thanks dude
Haha. 21.51 "I'm no enduro expert". So it's beginner's luck then?
This is exactly what I was looking for. I have a 2020 Strive CF9.0, which I love. I've been thinking about how much it would cost me to make the jump to a Spectral CFR, and honestly, I can't afford it right now. I love the Strive for where I'm riding, and one of my local tracks got a mention, AWABA downhill. I love exploring new places though, and with your wise words (and hard work) Jack, I think I don't need to worry about jumping bikes. What I have is good for me, so not surprisingly, it just feels right on most stuff.
The thing is with factory direct bikes, it is hard to get a test ride, so this hard earned info from a "non-enduro expert" (read, enduro world champ) is gold. Thanks Jack and all the best for this season. Hope the shoulder comes good.
Hey Jack, good luck mate and thanks for the explanation ... go you good thing!
Thanks Mate!
yeah I just got my spectral, love it, was actual faster around my local XC track at kentlyn, than on my 2019 norco sight, but yeah I feel the length when I whip, almost stuffed up as I yanked well hard to get it out sideways!
Pretty cool wisdom nuggets here. 10 piece at least, maybe even 20
Ayyy 20 box for $10... belter
Wow. Probably the best tech comparo between two bikes ever! PS ... bet that San Remo is nothing like the real one! .... you cant just duck down to Budgee for some fish and chips after ... lol.
Cheers Mate, haha yeah but you can dip down for a ham and cheese croissant.
I'd have chosen the Spectral, mainly because I dislike the Shapeshifter thing on the Strive. It just seems like more unnecessarily complicated stuff that could go wrong during a race. Also the more modern geometry suits my riding a lot better. I'm good in the tight and twisty bits, but I want all the help and confidence I can get in the rough and fast sections.
Yeah nice Man. Sounds like a good pick for your style
Finally a really, really good comparison! And good choice, mate!! Surprised I found myself being nervous for what you would say in the end - since I couldn´t find any real good comparison when I chose myself this winter - but ended up choosing the 2021 Strive eventually for the technical, rocky and tight trails here on the west coast of Sweden. Thanks for confirming my theory!
I would also like to add that in "click-mode" the Strive turns into a really good pedaling and climbing trail bike or even borderline XC bike, especially with lighter tires and if you slam the seat all the way forward. One bike to rule them all! :)
Yeah you can't really go wrong with either bike, but sounds like you made a good decision. I did forget to mention that in the video of the strive! but if I raced the spectral I would of ran a rear shock lockout anyway so would of been similar.
Oldelpaso gif- que Mexican music- “why not both” 🤩 mmm taco’s
Awesome insight on soooo many levels! This is what most riders I think want to know especially from someone who really can separate the benefits for key riding scenarios. For me this answers the question that I'd rather have confidence and agility in the tech and sacrifice a lil security in the flat out straight lines. As it's the tech where you actually need to utilize your skills! Well for me anyway! Awesome video cheers! Braaaap! 🙌
Really nice comparsion and description how you feel on them.
I think the 180 fork and Megneg is perfect for the Strive. I run the same on my Strive without that special spacer 😜 and it feels like super fluffy 🤗
Real nice riding from you and dimi 🔥🔥
Also finally you run your gopro chesty cam with superview 😝
Much better angle than your last videos from home.
Best luck for the EWS Jack 🤟🏻
Yeah thats the feeling, bit fluffier haha. Yeah bit better setup ay!
Good video mate 👍
Thanks Man
Very insightful advice on bike tuning!
nice vid jack very interesting ! i wish you all the best in EWS gogogogo ! ;)
How did the coil go on your mate's Spectral? 7:15
Just come across the channel and fair play doing a great job! Awesome content and new subscriber 🤘🤘🤘
Nice in depth comparison. Your theory on the limited run, timed laps was the smart way to go. Not just a pretty face after all eh? I got my strive about a year ago sometimes feel I may be over biked for the trails I ride. Ie youies, Bright etc in Vic. But the extra forgiveness has saved noob arse a few times. Figured any decent bike's a good enough bike at my level of riding.
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Yeah, the extra forgiveness definitely makes for a more comfy ride.
I'm glad to see that Canyon bikes can take a beating like that. I bought a Canyon Stoic 4 for my first Canyon bike and am now looking at getting a full sus. The spectral is the one I'm currently looking at for my main trail bike and was wondering how they hold up against other brands.
Machine Head - Davidian would be sick :)
I love this video
It‘s really what i want to see
Thank you 🙏❤️
awesome video mate, after my first year racing state enduros I can agree with so many of your points. long wheelbase does not mesh well with enduro 😂
Solid choice there Joey
Yeah cheers Joey
awesome comparison...JM is 💪
Really good run down mate, enjoyed that a lot
Super cool video. Thanks
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Great vid bro, end conclusion makes sense to
But you forgot to mention speccy with coil is best of both worlds haha
Really enjoyed this vid!
Do you actually use the shapeshifter?
Yeah I forgot to mention that in the video, I use it on flat stages or climbs in stages. If I raced the spectral though I would of had a rear lock out switch on it.
I wanted to ask you da same! 👍
Ive Got Track Dyslexia so happy ive got the strive!!
Haha
Looks like enduro mag has reached the same conclusion last year about the strive :)
What speak against the canyon torque??
I’ll be cheering hard for ya mate
Thanks Man
Really honest review that I have seen at the moment, mate can you give a piece of advice? I'm about to buy a Canyon (strive cf 7 or spectral 29 cf 7) but still can't decide which one of those buy it, I've been riding for over two years now, I usually ride trail and enduro depending on the mood of the day. Wich one can you say I would go for?
The spectral has to be the best bike I have ever ridden. Did you say you run a 170mm Zeb? Doesn't that alter the geometry? Also is it the 29er?
That was great knowledge. Thank you! :)
Care to share the zeb compression/rebound settings? Above/below recommended psi?
Mad dog, have ya tried the spectral in a M with a touch longer stem? Like 45 or 50? Would give you the reach of the strive and would be as easy to weight the front and only 8mm shorter wheelbase than the strive.. I reckon the spectral feels better in the fast chunk because of head angle not just longer wheelbase, you don’t get as hung up with a slacker head angle as it lets the fork push back from impacts a lot smoother rather than “catching” if that makes sense. Peace out. Rooter
Nah have not tried that. I think it’s just too small. The strive is already a little on the small side for Me 😅
@@moimoitv_ fair enough ledge, I suppose ya know what you’re on about. Good luck for the season ahead 🙏
Great insights Jack! Would you recommend the Spectral to a more beginner rider that wants to race the occasional local enduro since it seems it would trade in some comfort and some seconds in tighter/techier stuff but provide more safety/stability and have a bit of pop for fun due to the progressivity? Also if that's the case, would you recommend to the same rider to flip the chip to the high setting for tighter/techier or unknown tracks?
Very interesting insight Video. Thank you.
Sounds Like you need a Strive Prototype with updated Geo.
Isnt Canyon working with you together when it comes to designing new Race Bikes? Cheers
I’m only new to the team, excited to work with them this year hopefully though!
@@moimoitv_ I wish you the very best for the Season. also I wish I could corner half your speed :D Youre riding is very impressive, Good luck.
Thanks for that great review. Exactly what I was waiting for.
Anyway for me I would choose the Spectral, because it's more capable for a every day use. Touring, Uphill and Trailriding. And with the 160mm fork you can shred as well.
Can you say something about the uphill performance on both bikes? Is there a big noticeable difference on the Strive with the Shape Shifter engaged?
Great question. I would love to hear how the two compare in technical climbing and general climbing.
Would you say you run a fast or slow rebound setup?
Pretty fast, 6 clicks in the front, 4 clicks in the rear
Has this been Stevo approved ?
😂this has indeed been stamped with the scuba steveee tick of approval
Not sure if youve answered it yet, but what happened to the green strive in the other video?
Left that bike at home. Kind of thought I was racing the spectral, but now that I’m more comfy with the strive on tracks over here we are building up a new green and grey one for the first EWS
@@moimoitv_ sick
Well I can’t say I’m upset haha…. As you know I’m one of those pesky race fans wondering what you’d settle on - and a happy little vegemite on my own 2019 Strive.
“Why can’t you have both?” To quote a line from that taco ad haha!
Mate I actually don’t care what you ride as long as you’re kicking some world class ass under the Aussie flag boi! Best wishes for a killer EWS season and try to keep “ya maddogs” vlogs coming. I know you’ll be busy 🤙🏻
Right on man, us spectral riders gotta stick together
Haha
I feel like although the strive feels more clunky it'll probably more practical than the spectral. I feel like 6 hours on some large travel cushion is much more do-able than hopping around the track on a bike that's punching up. just my thinking
Yeah for sure! If the tracks are super smooth though 6 hours on the spectral will be less tiresome then slogging the strive!
@@moimoitv_ good point! I hope you do get to race the spectral this season tho that would be sick to watch!!
Nice video, thanks for the detailed comparison! I'm hoping to get a Spectral (fingers crossed there will be some available eventually). I'm curious if you ever tried running the Spectral in the "high" setting on the FlipChip?
Do the enduro series rules not allow you to alternate between the two bikes depending on the course/track you're on?
Yeah you can, really want to make a choice and stick with one bike though. It gets messy trying to swap bikes each race
@@moimoitv_ Can you switch bikes between stages of a race, or just between races? (Thought you had to stick with one throughout any one race...)
Do you have to commit to a particular bike for race rules/supplier/sponsors or is it just a matter of picking one to develop and master?
Canyon spectral CF: Well, congratulations on the video, I get this bike in August, I measure 1.82 and 84 inseam, canyon advises me an M, how do you see it? Thanks in advance
hi, do you consider using a coil shock for spectral ? it supposed to be more supple
I haven't tried it. Dimitri uses one in his spectral and loves it! Something else I have to try next test session.
Mean video bro, which bike did you find climbs the best? Still undecided 🤔
Great video. I think your point about riding on a track you don't know vs. riding one you're very familiar with is really insightful. Like most good insights, it sounds really simple when explained, but yet I've never heard anyone point it before! I am curious though - with 180mm forks on both bikes the Spectral must be really slack, maybe below 63 degrees (?). Do you think the Spectral could be faster with either a shorter fork (160-170) or an angleset to bring the head angle back to 64-64.5?
Yeah this was super important for Me. I noticed this at my first world enduro in 2016. I had my bike setup for park laps super stiff and I couldn’t hang on for a 15 minute stage. Yeah it definitely works better with the shorter travel, but I really want the 180 fork for the gnarly runs, this suits the strive better
And the head angle on spectral with that fork is 63.1
What frame size you riding?
You've done a lot of science here and testing, but what does Steveooo think you should be riding?
Mate this has indeed got the scuba steevee tick of approval so we are all good to go!
Hey Jack... First things first: congrats for your ews win! You rode a brilliant season and deserved the win even so I'm pretty sure you would have prefered to race against Richie in Scotland (pretty sure it would have been the same outcome as well 😉).
Maybe you can give me a small advice concerning bike setup? I'm thinking about a Megneg upgrade for my spectral 29 but was wondering if the bike kinematics aren't too progressive to begin with? Then I saw you're riding one on your spectral. What are your impressions... Is it a worthy upgrade? Thanks mate!
What fork setup do you ride, PSI-LSC-HSC-REBOUND? Weight?
Jack Strive setup Morzine (inc Zermatt)
Counted first click zero from closed
Fork -
Hsc 3
Lsc 15
Reb 6
3 tokens
72 psi
spectral all the way, you can make it 65mm stroke in the rear, the frame will take it, its around162mm + -
I'm confused. Are you riding different sizes or something? The spectral has a shorter wheel base than the strive by quite a bit in the website specs ?
Every dad ever. AHAHA on point
Haha it’s there favourite word
was this filmed before you built that green strive
nice review Jack much appreciated, just one thing, what size Spectral did you ride and what's your height? im 6ft and in-between sizes would be good to know your thoughts on fitment
Jack is 6 ft 4 but rides an L
some big lez vibes here, yeah strive for european trails
could u ride both in different ews locations during the seasone ?
Haha big lez is the shit. Yeah it is a possibility, but I don't want to be messing around with that.
@@moimoitv_ ahah hell ya mate thats what sassy would do too
Yo Jack what’s your handle bar height you are running on both bikes? Cheers
Dim Tordo party boi!! lol appropriate !
not San Remo Central Coast??
Haha nahhhhh
Hey mate, ever had any issues with your BITS tool ejecting? Had mine about 6 months and it's started to self eject during rides. Luckily I found it both times!
What bar width are you using?
760mm on the enduro bike
Hey Jack, what's your stroke size of your damper at the spectral? Good luck for the EWS
Hey Mate, shock size is 230mm and stroke 60mm
anyone else confused here, the sort travel bike is longer and slacker?
they are both 150mm travel Man
Not sure why everyone thinks the spectral is shorter travel than the strive?
@@moimoitv_ well, out of the box, Strive fork is 170 and Spectral 160 or even 150. Many think rear travel always reflects fork travel. If someone could explain why Strive geo pairs with longer fork travel, that would be great!
Nice one, thanks Jack. Do you think the spectral is too long/slack for your average punter as a trail bike? Some alpine stuff some flatter local trails etc?
Man do you prefer speccy pike or zeb?
It feels a lot better with the pike as this is what it’s designed for. Or if you just run a lower travel Zeb, I would have to play around with angle sets for the 180 set up.
Jack - your strive has a spacer under the head tube to increase head angle (presume this is the main purpose) - what was the target or new H/A you achieved?
With spacer and 180 fork I’ve got just over 64 degrees
@@moimoitv_ thanks man! I'm currently rocking a 2016 Strive and thinking of doing a mod like this.
@@exhibitD79 You could run offset bushes in the rear if your bars are already high enough. Will drop the bb though.
@@moimoitv_ that..... is a very interesting idea. I will look into this for sure
Wait a 180 on the spectral??? Jesus, Do you know what head angle you end up with with putting a 180 on the spectral?
Nah not sure, will check with Tommy. Next off season I will play around with angle sets and stuff for it, cause it is pretty slack with the 180. Just didn't have any of the parts to do it this time due to the lack of supply from the pandemic.
@@moimoitv_ Yeah bro it would be probably sitting around 63 degrees I reckon haha, no wonder she’s felt a little sluggish in the tight stuff haha 😂
Fkn pandemic strikes again ey with the parts...
You”ll smoke em, no matter the rig anyways cheif. Good luck 😉
@@chadsugden411 Yeah just checked with Tommy, it was sitting at 63.13. Definitely too slack. Few bikes running 63.5 stock though...
Need to try that set up with an offset headset this off season!
@@moimoitv_ 👌🏼
i wanna do the same with my norco sight . chuck a 170mm zeb or 38 up front -0.5 head set i reckon it will be money for here in the gong.
People sleeping on the fact that steveo actually decides on the content and what bikes and underwear is allowed...
may be the strive is due a updated design :)
just hit up sram you want new internals :)
So far just about every pro rider is adding a spacer to increase H/A
@@exhibitD79 Bro what's H/A?
@@exhibitD79
Troy is on new blackbox internals and rear shock
Mate could we have the names of those trails, they look really cool!
first one was free ride, and last one anti gravity. I will ask My buddy about the second one and put it in the description
@@moimoitv_ thanks dude
@@christopherkahler6742 i'm interested too
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A Zeb on a Bike, which used to be coming with a pike😂