The WORLD electric car of the year is officially DEAD
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- The WORLD electric car of the year is officially DEAD
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If Tata want to drop Jaguar, they need to sell quickly before the mystique associated with the brand slips away like an expiring option.
Jaguar would've done better under Chinese owners
At least they sold more EV's than GM, who are leading the world in electrification. That's got to count for something.
They are truly leading the world (when it comes to making a huge company completely disappear in just a few years without a trace).
@@geiers6013 Something GM and Ford can look forward to in their future.
After the bankruptcy their Naming rights (the only thing left that's worth anything) will be sold to cover costs. IF they're really lucky, a ture Red, White, and Blue American Company like Mcdonalds or Pizza Hut, looking to diversify into something they know completely nothing about, will snap them up for a couple of million each (maybe even as a job lot). This will ensure their complete demise with them ending up the same as a burger or pizza.....down the toilet.
@@peterlittlejohn8933 haha true. Mybe Ford can somehow survive, because their EV is not actually bad. The problem is it is also not good compared to Teslas and they have not figured out in any way how to produce a meaningfull amount and make actually big profits from evs to survive. My guess is that GM will die much sooner than Ford.
And Australia still has that "Local industry? protection Luxury car tax?" what a joke.
our gov is a joke.
A good little money spinner for the government and it probably suits some of the government parties' donors.
@@rais1953 Sod 'em all.
People who could afford a Jaguar bought Tesla's instead. Smart of them!
I did that. My last 3 cars were Jaguar, but their software has always been trash. When you are cruising in an amazing convertible sports car they are amazing. But did I want a big SUV?
Even if they did a sedan, inferior software and no charging network would have sunk them.
Phillip.
@@benjaminsmith2287 You get a car like a Jaguar because it's quick and it's beautiful. You can overlook the fact the navigation still comes on DVD. The iPace was jumping on the crossover bandwagon rather than playing to its strengths. Unfortunately they cancelled the electric XJ.
Jaguar's best car is the XF and they should have done an EV version of that. The luxury end preserves their margins. Aston Martin are so anti-EV that they funded a false report about how they were worse than ICE cars for the environment and I for one blacklisted them from ever owning their car again.
Phillip.
Great tragedy to see this brand disappear. Hit their pinnacle in the late 1950's and early 60's with the E-Type being one of the most iconic cars ever built. I bought a Mk-II (1966 model) in 1982, and while lovely to drive, it spent most of its time pissing oil and in the workshop. In recent years, the company has bled money faster than its cars bled oil... Very sad - but inevitable.
Yes. In the late 80s/early 90s I had an acquaintance who not only had a Jaguar but was (for a while) in their - I forget the official term - user council. From what he said, it seemed to be a universal complaint that the car spent far too much time in the workshop. That was the car for my first and only faster-than-200-km/h Autobahn trip ... which converted late evening very thin traffic into something more like city rush hour. Thanks but no thanks. (Also, the car was too low for larger people - I couldn't find a way to sit without brushing the root with my hair. That's certainly not what *I* expected from a luxury car.)
In the 1950s a family in our district bought a Jaguar for many times the price of the average family cars the rest of us were driving. Within a few months it was off the road with a warped cylinder head, unlike the average family cars which just kept on running.
Four years ago I nearly bought one but decided that the model S had a better spec for the price. The M3 then appeared and that is what I bought and love to drive today. However, It's still, IMO, the best looking SUV out there but I agree with you that it has been left to compete with cars that are cheaper and with much better technology. What a shame they let it fall behind.
I agree that I also like the styling, but nothing else.
I wish people would stop calling a heap of junk "good looking". It is generic for a car like every other car. It completely failed on the fundamentals, making it a joke from day one. The people who called it weren't making it up, they said what they said based on specs that just were never going to work for consumers.
Shows that those giving out awards don’t always know what they are talking about. 🤷🏼♂️
The technology in the i-Pace isn't that bad, but if I wanted to spend 100k EUR on an EV, I would much rather grab an Audi eTron or even a Tesla X. Jaguar tried premium pricing but failed to deliver a premium car. Looking around on their website, there seem to be (in Germany) 80+ cars available for direct purchase, some discounted almost 25% below MSRP. I can't imagine that the dealerships are making any profit of those anymore, they just want them off their lots. If Jaguar wants to keep up that price range, they'll need to seriously invest into R&D, if they don't get bought up soon.
Etron is just as bad. All the early EVs competing against tesla universally sucked.
Jaguar has no reason to exist anymore. Sell the brand to a chinese EV maker if you want the brand to survive.
I’m an I-Pace owner and obviously got a screw loose I love mine,but then again I’m just a limey 😂
Winning an award was probably the worst thing that could happen to Jaguar. It made them complacent.
I had a full day test drive of an iPace, it is beautiful to look at, very nice to drive, very fast, very comfortable,but very heavy on the electrons. You would be lucky to get a range of 200 miles.
Only the most expensive of the range had heated front seats, and no heated seats was not going to work for me.
I bought an EV6 instead, which has taken some design cues from the iPace,is every bit as good to drive, and packed with features, and way cheaper.
Jaguar of course has a mixed reputation for reliability,perhaps unfairly, and not sure if this applies to the iPace, the Kia with a 7 year warranty is a great comfort.
Thanks for the video.
Being a Jaguar fan we took an IPace on test for a weekend, the build quality was good although the only way to release the charging cable was by opening the bonnet and pulling the emergency release string. What let it down was the poor range, in summer, mixed driving we got just over 200 miles, bearing in mind we’ve been driving EVs since 2014 so I know how to nurse a battery. It’s obviously got some poor tolerances on parts manufacture or something wrong with the huge battery pack as we thought it would hit at least 270mi but it seemed to be doing just over 2 mi to the kW, pretty disappointing. We do own a RR PHEV and that gives a better KW/M range from its puny 30 mi battery pack. Then again the RR is built in England and the IPace by a contractor in Austria, putting a Jag badge on the front and back doesn’t make it one. So yes please Geely buy the Marque and make it great again as right now it’s just an expensive embarrassment….with old software and a crappy range
Seems pretty inefficient. Size/weight of the car? Was pretty expensive compared to other options.
These non-teslas were known to have horrible efficiency from before they went on sale. You must have been in denial when buying it as you clearly didn't notice the poor efficiency despite your claim of having EV experience.
@@_PatrickO they took it on a test - they didn’t buy it.
@@_PatrickO Perhaps you need to read what I said rather than writing something you fancied.
Meh.
The big killer has been the lack of suitable chargers. I met a Tesla model S owner whose wife had bought an iPace. She struggles to use it on trips with confidence and takes the Tesla as it so easy/fast to charge...
Real shame this, i was really impressed when I saw the video showing it’s development. But price and inefficiency make it a a no go-er especially in Oz.
I have owned Jaguars and love their style. It is sad to see them failing. The I-Pace styling I think is better than any other EV. But not keeping pace is unacceptable. Hopefully the Chinese buy it and I can have a great I-Pace.
I don't disagree with your conclusions, but the i-Pace still drives and handles better than any of its SUV competitors and is probably only bettered by the Taycan in this respect. If they had updated the range and charging speed it would still be well in the game. very sad.
EV development moves quickly, so a car launched early in 2018 was always going to struggle unless its key parameters had been upgraded to keep up. Sad thing is, the iPace was apparently designed from the ground up as an EV from outset, rather than being a converted ICE car as with so many luxury EV.
Everyone has their opinion.
I still have I-PACE and Love every bit of it.
The other problem is the dealers. I looked at an iPace last year and the dealership was pathetic. Dark, dingy a smelled of the salesman's lunch. He had one car in stock and he had no idea when to expect more. He really could not care less.
I agree on the Chinese takeover - it would be sad but good. Actually not quite as sad as being bought by Tata. But if they do buy the brand they should not buy the dealer network.
When Geely (chinese) bought Volvo, at the point of bankruptcy, many people were spoked by it.
Today, almost everybody sees that Volvo is outstanding and revitalised. Tata has been just incapable of keeping Jaguar up to date. Jaguar will be sold out to another group or it will cease to exist, just like Saab.
The dealers knew these cars were junk. They looked at the charging hassle and lack of chargers and used basic common sense. This product was never viable in north america. Barely viable in europe since it was overpriced and not a good EV at all.
Hopefully you are wrong. I’m in Australia and have an F Pace Had it serviced a few weeks ago and had a good conversation with the technician. He said that Jaguar has committed to being fully electric by 2025. Not sure how accurate that is and if he was full of it, but hopefully that is correct. Haven’t seen anything yet to confirm. Absolutely love driving the F Pace and the marque and if they were able to fix the problems that they currently have, maybe they can survive.
Jaguar made a huge commitment to a forward looking, ground up, EV design sure to be a hit with the environmentally conscious consumer, and it ...failed.
Because the environmentally conscious consumer realised that it was very wasteful.
Well done Sam. Thank you. ❤
Not that complicated really. Much more BEV choice since it first came out. Better cheaper stuff as well. But it still is a decent looker. Of course the Jag name will be used like MG, but higher up the food chain.
in 2018, Waymo pledged to buy 20,000 I-Pace cars by 2022 for their ride hailing network. I wonder if that happened. I hear that Waymo has since entered into a deal with Geely to provide them EVs.
Too Pricey___Too inefficient__Too Ugly when putting it in perspective with 'the most beautiful car ever' according to Enzo Ferrari and my favorites car when l was seven: [E-Type Jaguar]
I forgot they were still making the iPace.
I guess so did everyone else.
Sorry to hear this, Jag made a serious effort with this EV a few years back. Just too expensive I guess? Not enough range? I drove one at an event but I've never seen one out on the road.
“Tata Jaguar”!… see yah! THE I-PACE is a “non starter” option as soon as compared to other EV options!
My dad has one. I have no idea why he likes it so much, other than i know that he's a massive Jaguar fan. It's one of Jag's best cars ever, it's just not a very good EV in the current market.
It's got really poor efficiency on the road, achieving only 60% of official range when road tripping.
And for that price they ask for, there are lots of options. But the car looks good it's a pity that Tata is incapable of finance electrification properly.
The poor sales was thier clever way of solving the battery and semiconductor shortage simultaneously.....brilliant 😝😝😝
Sad for the iPace. When the so-called "experts" said the Tesla competition is coming, the competition fell flat.
Driving around in an expensive luxury car has an enviable cachet. Ya feel good! Being envied and all. But if everyone knows the car is overpriced and second rate - the cachet flips, Ya feel stupid and don't want to be seen.
Only 250 miles, odd shape, no fast charge? starts at 90k? ModelY/3 beats all of those specs with ease.
Yes, and for those reasons Tesla is king of the market.
For me the biggest one is cost.
Take care M.
Strangely, several ipaces have appeared in the village where we live in the last year. There was only one until a year ago.I assume there must have been some big sales incentives.
I work directly in the supply chain for JLR. We have had so much downtime because of the real parts shortage. Currently in another week or layoff.
We are told constantly that the order books are full and once the supply chain corrects that we will most likely go back to a 3 shift work pattern.
And I totally agree JLR have been piss poor on EV adoption. Having said that we have also been informed (internally) that the plant we supply is to have some big investment in changing the production line to build EVs.
In the US there have been two OTA updates. But sadly this beautiful car is in trouble.
Even the eTron I drove was 0-100kph was 6.1. The only advantage was the location of dials, but I’m sure I can easily get used to that move.
Jaguar has been on life support for decades now. I had a '71 Jag XKE which I loved but I could not rely on it at all. Wish I had kept it though because obviously, it's a collector's car now. Anyway, a good bet that a Chinese company will scoop up the name but all of the factories in England will close forever. Jaguar will officially be the first company Tesla put out of business - congrats.
I can appreciate the need for somewhat click-baity titles in this business. However, I don’t think officially means what you think it means. That aside, it will be interesting to see who’s left when 2025 comes around. Some big names have really missed the boat. Problem is, it’s the last boat.
The IONIQ 5 also doesn't support OTA updates and is not expected to be supported, according to Hyundai's statement.
I love my I-PACE. It's style and performance is great. Jaguars were never built for efficiency so I didn't expect that. Updates Over the Air were very disappointing indeed. They could barely solve problems with it, and I was lucky that they solved the problems with the Aircon. I will drive it until my tax advantage runs out in 2 years and then go for the model Y or Ionic 5 or so.
Jaguar is a dead brand driving. The I-Pace was only built in tiny volumes by an outside contractor, Magna Steyr of Austria. It does not help sales that Jaguar dealers have shrunk to being very very few and far between. My local Jaguar dealer is nearly 100 miles away and that’s in the UK. The biggest false promise from JLR is their perennial promise to increase quality and reliability of their products only to come bottom of the list of all car brands from one decade to the next. At least they are consistent.
EV's or ICE, Jaguar has always been a minor brand. I don't see them surviving much longer. I agree with you, they may survive if they are acquired.
When Jaguar announced the iPace I thought great, Jaguar would be investing heavily into BEV's then they went and built a multi million pound ICE factory right on the outskirts of the city in the UK where I live.
Good for employment but a really bad idea. The only good thing is it will become an electric motor factory some time in the near future.
That doesn't seem very "official". Not that i'm defending the car, the video title just sucks.
My dad's i-pace is in the middle of a lemon law fight because it keeps killing the 12V battery, which puts the brakes on and doesn't let it drive. It's been in the shop six times now.
I took one for a test drive, nice car but very poor value. When I last looked at it more expensive than a model S but far less capable as a vehicle. It compared well to a model 3 but at twice the price it's out of contention.
Good story, I like that bit of automotive history story. Please do more, I too love reading a lot and after reading I take notes and combine my finding with proven facts .
Glad you enjoyed it!
For a big car, it was tiny inside. I was shocked when I tried to sit in it, and it didn’t feel big. As a tall guy with tall kids, I was put off immediately.
That’s good point. Also the front grill/hood vent took away room from having a more usable frunk.
@@jwhdesign for a premium price car, the Audi e-tron had the best internal space I found. Too bad it costs some serious $$$
The design of this Jaguar is a kind of gigantic 1982 Alfa 33 five doors.
The massive issue is the terrible charger base and the charging time. You just can't use it on a long journey. My Model S fast charges in 40 minutes or so from 2500 charger sites. Piece of cake.
There’s a nasty smell around JLR generally, not just Jaguar but Land Rover too are not going all in on EVs which is a huge mistake. When the iPace was launched it got great reviews but I didn’t think they were serious about EVs when I learned the manufacturing is outsourced to Steyr in Austria. Nothing wrong with that, quality is normally good but not making it in the main UK plant tells you everything you need to know about their sales ambitions for the car. The brand equity is fading fast.
Where are they made?
How many are made? Is there a huge unsold inventory?
I remember the experts opining when the Ipace came out that it would really mess with Tesla sales LOL.
Great information . Video was about 7 mins too long though. Maybe you can do a half & half video like Torque News does.
I would love to know the process for the award the IPace received. Makes you wonder if palms were greased with a little cha-ching $$$ cha-ching?
Maybe the UK should buy it back
Yes I’m sure it will thrive with our incompetent management and strike-hungry Union’s a real winner. I hear two-tone shoes and turn-up’’s are back style too !
Which publication named Ipace world car of the year
I have a major Jaguar/Land Rover dealership near me . They have a magnificent showroom that looks like a fortress stuck in a semi rural location. Not designed to be welcoming, when I drive past my overwhelming impression it is designed to repel all boarders I have never seen them engage in community events as part of outreach marketing. Quite how out of sight out of mind is designed to sell cars I can't imagine. Time for a new marketing approach ?
! NOOOOoooo...
I love Jag.
RRrrghhh, and they're not $90K, but $70k. I'm looking at one now with only 5,800 miles for $55k.
Australian channel, Australian prices.
@@moestrei He said 120k AUD, 90k USD.
English language channel.
@@HoopsKevinski oh, sorry, my bad.
A neighbour of mine who knows a guy who works on product development in JLR was told that they are not currently working on any other EV models to add to the iPace.
That been public knowledge for a year
One of the frictions points for buying an EV is serviceability . If you can't get parts specific to a that model, the car gets scrapped before it's time.
Jaguar had huge brand cachet in the 50’s and 60’s, due to its racing successes and technological advances - first disc brakes, double overhead cams, lots of power for the time etc, and very cool styling. Had a wide fan base.
So for many years folks wanted a Jaguar - this lasted a long while, but it’s gone now. Poor quality construction, poor reliabilty, and poor and expensive maintainabilty, resulted in reality slowly eroding the cachet of the 1950’s. I recall having a large V12 Jag. sedan - left it idling to warm it up in the morning - I then had trouble surviving the surrounding massive cloud of exhaust just to get to the darn thing. Not a good feeling. Cachet and brand loyalty can easily evaporate or even flip to negative..
Hopefully they’re still honouring their repair warranty
Don't worry, probably Jaguar would be bought by the Chinese brand ORA to be their Luxury brand... a step up from their Cats to Jaguars... get it?
I think Geely should buy Tata, never mind Jaguar. Might be worth saving?
My IPace gets updates over the air, that is wrong reason to call it dead.
We saw this with MG...but no plant in the UK, MG is all China now...
I've never seen a top spec version of this car in the wild. I only ever see low to mid-spec versions. I don't want to say that bigger wheels "make" a car, but this thing in mid to low-spec trim does not have anywhere the same presence as the top spec versions. From my recollection, these lower spec units are still $70K+ USD, which seems HIGH.
when i was growing up, Jaguar was a luxury brand to aim for. It went downhill because of lack of investment. After ford took over, it lost its sparkle. Now, its competing with other brands that have surpased it in many ways. The brand should be retired, just like a lot of others, to a museum. I mean, what does owning a jaguar really mean anymore? Hand made craftsmanship and wooden panelling? I mean, that quaint 18th century idea of luxury has long long gone.
A very misleading title, the I Pace is not officially dead at all
Simply put they havent updated the car. Kinda like buying a 22 Camaro but its the same as the 2012
Im a lifelong Jaguar fan and have owned many - unfortunately they are in dire straits. They have a plan to relaunch as all electric in a couple of years - but I'm not confident they will survive!
jaguar have some lovely looking designs. Im pretty sure the model s is based on a jag. Anyway they should just become a design shop and let tesla build the cars for them. This Ipace is actually built by some austrian company.
Inside EV graph at 3:22 does not have 2021 marked, they put two lots of 2020!
;)
I left my wallet in the Jag, they are a prestige car for a certain type of person, once they get one they keep it forever.
It was already DOA when it was released. On the ICE car industry clapped to see it since they had such a low bar.
Jaguar (and Land Rover) biggest problem is the quality of their vehicles. A brand can't be last in almost every survey and hope to survive too long. It's not magic, they need to improve the quality of the components, increase the efficiency, drop the battery size a bit and sell it for the same money as a Tesla M3 SR.
I can speak about Land Rover, since I was a longer term owner of a couple LRs. It is true that over the years they had their ups and downs in quality but if you researched well what you bought (year, model), you could do well. Unfortunately, they are on a downtrend again, so I won't be upgrading my current one *to another LR*. I could speak about the good and the bad but by far LR's biggest problem is the abysmal dealer network, both in sales and in servicing. I mean, they are hopeless. The stories I could tell! To cut it short, I used to have an original series turbo diesel Freelander (not the troubled early petrol model) and after only a couple of years, the problems have started, one after the other. Out of warranty, I had the idea of trying an idependent LR mechanic instead of the dealer and he just shook his head how poorly the servicing had been done. After switching to him, I was paying less for servicing and my problems went away. Only when the car was already 10 years old, I had a relatively straightforward problem with the engine which was promptly fixed. Well, after 10 years, that can happen.
I never got LR marketing, anyway. They had this incredible reputation for ruggedness to start with but later, they increasingly went for the luxury end of the market and squandered the established reputation. I suppose they saw more money in rich urban folks taking kids to school while dreaming of one day venturing out into the countryside. I mean, they already had Range Rover for that, so why?!
Now, they just can't figure out what to do with EV so they are retreating into what they think they know. The Tata ownership hasn't done anything for them and the hot potato game of selling the brand to any new taker may continue or they will keep and totally water down the brand(s).
The problem with Jag is that there were whole generations that grew up with the dream of one day buying one. Jaguar hasn't done much to really appeal to newer generations (how many kids these days would have a picture of a Jaguar on the wall of their bedroom? about none...) while gradually losing ground with the older ones. A few really uninspiring and/or unreliable models really didn't help. Most remaining Jaguar enthusiasts are probaly more likely to buy a classic Jag, not a new one.
The writing is on the wall...
To be "fair" even a lot of legacy manufacturers probably won't be around by 2030 either! (I'm looking at you GM!)
Shocking news, but that's typical when no investment is put into a product. Over priced for what it is. Strange I was talking to a friend who was talking to someone else who just bought a jaguar £91k electric car, I said to my friend big mistake , that was in December 21. Great video thanks EV. Kind regards
Who the hell named this car "The world car of the year"? How much was he/she paid for to say this?
Why wouldn't it be? It was a pretty decent attempt at the time. It came out in 2018 before the Model 3/Y. Before the MachE. Before the ID4. The only competition was the Model S.
Much as I disagree with the title, it wasn't such a stretch at the time.
Phillip.
@@philliptemple4534 It was competing with the Model X. The i-Pace still has the worst efficiency of it's class. It was declared as a Tesla killer and couldn't do better except for a few things like acceleration. It's automatic emergency braking system wasn't good.
You can't sell us the Brooklyn Bridge again as its been oversubscribed.
The problem is that I-pace does not rust fast..but the Teslas out of China are delivered new already rusted like the cheapest cars of 15 to 20 years ago, and this constant material loss with metal chipping off improves gradually the power to weight ratio of those heavy coal cars…We lifted my US built 2005 BMW and it is absolutely spotless, this junk hasn’t lost half a gram yet, so I plan to enrol it on a tighter weight watcher programming if it does not lose weight and value as fast as a TM3 in futur..hell of a challenge. Meanwhile my Golf R keyless did not work parked next to a Renault Zoe, on the other side it did work perfectly so why are E vehicles not EMC compatible with the rest..
I think Volvo and Polestar are premium brands too, so I think Geely may not need Jaguar brand.
There is the Chery Jaguar Land Rover joint venture, I guess Chery may want it.
The Jaguar iPace has pretty much had it's moment of stardom. The EV market today very much pivots on tech and progressive features. The iPace is now showing it's age in this area, and has been sidelined by the likes of Audi, BMW, Kia and Hyundai competitors....at similar pricing to the iPace....
That is really sad as I find the DESIGN of the I-Pace arguably, one of the nicest looking cars on the planet. Not just EV's but ALL cars : ) Too bad Tata didn't invest in more updated tech!
Those guys should seriously consider buying some consultation from Joe Justice :)
I can imagine how bad the Jag owners feel.
I-Pace product planners should have targeted the MSRP to be on par with the Model Y
Model Y hadn't shipped
well that is understanding as the design predates the 2013 Tesla Model S
The i-pace os a great car but the ev6 and ioniq 5 gives you more for less
Sam, what type of bridge are you selling?
:P
Rumours has it, JLR is up for sale
Not sure Geely needs this fading brand. Zeekr looks the same but with modern tech and much better price.
Tata Motors should just sell it to Geely Automotive:)
Jags diesel sales have been decimated and that makes the ipace figures worse than it looks
It's not the battery that's inefficient it's the electronics that it's connected to. Truth is they could tune the electronics to some extent if they did over the air updates but of course they didn't do that. If they were smart, which obviously they're not, they would look at the power usage in the car and utilize that information to replace the electronics that's consuming the most electricity.
Absolutely spot on viking it needs to be sold to a major Chinese company. Tata probably look for a deal but I still think Chinese ev manufacture will get it for practically nothing a bit like mg here in the UK. Still has the iconic name and great history jaguar but will excel with a Chinese backer. The plus points is jaguar owners are crying out for more evs. Also ready made dealer network a bit like volvo. I think it will change owner within 2 years max.
A lot of people still rate this car very highly..expensive yes
But the Tesla shorts promised the competition is coming, lmfao
No improvements, yet still selling at a very high premium = customers go elsewhere. ALL EV makers need to ensure products improve year after year or they will be left behind in a hurry.
The competition is coming
Emberasing if you are not able to sell evs, while the demand is endless and no company can produce enough evs.
I’m afraid it’s cost. The rest would be ignored but it costs so much.
Need Sandy to go through it and cost reduce everything.
Take care M.
@@markeh1971 Yes, he would probably be very upset about this car. Nevertheless I think its to late and Jaguar will be gone in a few years.
I have been disappointed with the lack of engineering updates over the year, I still have to download maps o n a Windows PC and upload via a USB stick to the car (grim). Lucky to get 200 miles range on real world driving especially in the winter. Will not be renewing and was only a stop gap before the Model Y becomes available out of Germany for the UK market. Will not be buying another Jaguar I am afraid.
Tesla Leeds told me we will never get cars from their German factory as they are only making LHD we will be supplied via China. I guess Tesla staff should know what’s happening