I asked a Japanese friend about their history classes, and he said that WWII history was about 2 pages long, no mention of Pearl Harbor, but lots of pages of the atomic bombs, and the aftermath. He also said that later, he and his friends just looked it up on the computer, and learned from there. It might be different now.
It’s a shame if they teach like those bombs were a bad thing which I’m assuming they do when they saved million of Japanese, American and more lives especially the Japanese when compared to how much they killed. you should show him/her operation downfall.
In America, we learned about the European and Pacific theaters, but things like the African theater are barely glossed over. My knowledge mainly comes from family and youtube. Also, a surprising amount of time was spent on the decision making that led to the dropping of the Atomic.
In America, we learned about North African battles, especially in Tunisia, and the mediocre performance of Montgomery, who was almost as much a blowhard as MacArthur.
No Japanese commander would abandon their nation like that, even if Nagumo had done this every single Japanese sailor would have shot him on sight for that dishonorable act.
Midway was our (USA's) Trafalgar. It changed the entire dynamic of the war in the Pacific. After midway, the US had the upper hand at sea and it made it very difficult for the Imperial Japanese Navy to stop the 'island-hopping' campaign.
@@JamesCornwall95 I prefer watching the original Midway ......try it and I bet you will like it......actual combat photage was included in the battles....as the new does blow you away.....but the original is an A+ in my book.
I guess the "advantage" of being in American schools is that both the Atlantic & Pacific theaters are discussed, but not tactics at anywhere near this level. My dad enlisted in the U.S. Navy right after Pearl Harbor. He spoke a frustratingly small amount about those years. Heck, my mom told me more about her teenage wartime experience in Sicily.
@@JamesCornwall95 - two strangers on opposite sides. (I was a late arrival, so they're both gone.) My mom told me about the people having to turn in their gold jewelry, being relocated to inland bomb shelters, etc. My dad told me only (1) his destroyer was hit by a torpedo & (2) the Panama portion of his time sucked.
Thank you for your thoughtful reaction. While this battle was mentioned in my history classes in the US, we were not taught the specifics. I only learned more about the battle when I learned that my son’s great grandfather was Lt Cmdr Richard “Dick” Best. Sadly, he died before I could meet him.
Operating under pressure is what separates commanders from underlings. And sometimes you have to go with your gut. Playing it safe is not a path to success.
Seems like the first Americans to engage were merely cannon fodder. Truly sad. We had Remembrance Day on the 11th of November, as did the UK. I not only remember ours and the UK's, but I also pay homage to our American friends on Veteran's Day, also the 11th of November. You fought so valiantly in the Pacific and made many great sacrifices. I really thought I understood what happened at Midway, but what I had learned earlier wasn't complete until I saw this. I know this was the "turning point" of the Pacific war, but those poor first lads that hat to go against such odds..... blessings to you all from a thankful Canadian.
They weren't intended to be fodder, but it took the US a while to learn how to best organize and coordinate carrier strikes. This one was particularly scattershot, with squadrons from the same carriers arriving at different times from different directions. Only Yorktown's airgroup managed a coherent strike (probably having learned from their experience in the Coral Sea).
But the lessons learned on airstrike coordination and damage control from the Yorktown was applied to all ships in the navy if you want to learn about that then drachfiniel os a good naval history channel to watch
In school I loved history and as I got older I got into military history.... oddly enough there is a Swedish metal band that all of their songs are military history they even have a history Channel the band is sabaton and their sabaton history Channel..... what they do is they write a song ( midway) then the history Channel talks about the history of the battle
Both of my grandfathers were in the military during WW2. One couldn't fight due to his poor eyesight, but he was a math genius and worked on radar development. The other went into the Navy and fought in the Pacific. I need to do a Freedom of Information filing to learn more, but I don't think he was in active combat at this point in the war. I suppose I study military history to honor both of them and what they did. The men of their generation had nerves of steel, especially the dive bomber pilots. We could learn tons from that. I recommend that you check out "Battle 360" on the Enterprise. As well as any "Dogfights" episodes on WW2. There's an entire episode about how "outdated" British planes helped take down the Bismark. Oh, and the old "Battlefield" series from the 90s. The Midway and Leyte Gulf episodes are especially interesting, if perhaps out of date.
Another thing that hampered the attacks of the American torpedo planes was that the torpedoes the U.S. was using at this point in the war had a nasty habit of not exploding when they hit their targets.
It's absolutely insane to think that the course of history, what we take for granted, was decided in 5 precious minutes. That is essentially a commercial break.
Honestly, I can't say for sure what I would have done with sending the reserve vs taking the time and keeping them close. But the fact that they had substantially more activity than expected leading up to the attack, my carrier group was spotted early while executing a surprise invasion yet the response from the enemy seemed even less effective than expected with the element of surprise, and I had no confirmation of the location of my enemy's main weapons(which are the whole point)...my head would be SCREAMING that something is really wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm pumping the brakes and waiting for the first wave I sent out to come back.
Damn the best pilots was the last wave of the American attackers... it’s like they were sending the rookies to stall for time/tire out the Japanese Force
Not really, if you look at some wiki/movies you will see them lose nearly all commanders of the squadrons and other trained and brave pilots slaughtered in the first few waves.
It seems that way, but you should watch the videos on the American side. It just kind of... happened that way. There was some confusion, some really good calls, and some luck.
That simultaneous attack by two squads of dive bombers (25 minute spot in your vid) wasn't planned that way. The squad coming from the South (Lt. Cdr. McClusky) had initially gone to the wrong location, and were dangerously low on fuel. But they spotted the Japanese destroyer that had chased away the American sub (in your Part 1 vid) hightailing it to the Northeast, returning to its task force. So, they followed it, and it led them straight to the carriers at the same time that the dive bombers from a different American carrier arrived from the North.
Nagumo should have launched 1/3 to 1/2 of his dive bombers immediately as they'd likely only come across 1 or 2 carriers IF that because they believed the Yorktown had been so badly damaged two weeks before at The Battle of the Coral Sea that no one could ever imagine it had sailed back to Pearl, been frantically minimally repaired to sail again and repair crews sent with her to continue the repairs as she sailed North to join the Enterprise and the Hornet northeast of Midway. 1/3 of the dive bombers in reserve could have sunk one or two U.S. carriers, or at minimum badly damaged them, and if they found no carriers they could have ignored the surface fleet and conducted a search for any carriers before returning. Then Nagumo recover his returning aircraft and get further recon reports on what U.S. ships were spotted. He went all in though. Understandable to a degree but he was operating under the assumption that no more than 2 U.S. carriers could even make it to Midway to fight at that moment.
I'm not sure how reaction worthy it would be, but you should check out Geoguessr Wizard's series where he walks in a straight line across Wales(and he just did Norway too).
Although I'm American, I've developed a protective perspective toward Nagumo. The mastermind of this battle, Yamamato, should be the one receiving heavy criticism for this epic failure on top of deserved criticism for the way the attack on Pearl Harbor was mostly a failure. That man's military strategy only worked on paper where he could turn everything in his favor. Also, he had the best cultural understanding of America on the Japanese High Council since he was Harvard educated and worked in D.C. whereas the others can plead ignorance and unless someone from the Japanese can make a claim that they figured out the Americans had cracked their code, known what was coming, were able to deploy three carriers only days after one took heavy damage that should've taken weeks to repair, and the fleet had been inside of the Japanese picket line was set up then no one should be criticizing Nagumo for making this decision based off the information he was given.
I don't think Nagumo's response by turning into the enemy force was just arrogance, probably also a bit of xenophobia and racism. For the longest time in the war all the Americans have shown was loss after loss and constant retreat, even before the war there was a lack of desire to get into another major global conflict. They knew a lot about the US, and it's fractured politics, and I think the US' continued lack of desire to join in the war early on might have been misconstrued as cowardice. Why the total surprise at the damaged bomber diving in an attempt to hit the command deck, surprised that the Americans would have such courage. That is also why I think they expected the US to capitulate earlier. They fundamentally misunderstood how Americans react That yes, politics are fractured, and sometimes we all appear to almost hate one-another. But there is nothing that unites Americans more then being attacked and having a common enemy. So when he turned into and toward the enemy force, I don't think he was expecting an insane early attack at the bombers maximum range without any kind of escort cover, it was a suicide attack, and there would just be no way that Americans would have that kind of courage, honor, and drive.
The Devastator, and our torpedoes, at this point in the war were junk. (I'm thinking the devastator was never used after this battle?) This guy doesnt even mention that when the pilots released their electric safeties, that the torpedoes dropped in the empty sea. Many of the first devastators, now torpedoless, attacked anyway just to draw anti-aircraft fire from the others who still had torpedoes.
I didnt have anyone fight in ww2 to my knowledge. But one of my Tio's (uncles) fought in Korea and another in Vietnam. Several cousins fought in Desert Storm and friends have fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. But that about it for me.
If I were Nagumo I'd have been hyperagressive and started launching what I had ready in the first 3 minutes of that 15 minute window. Then at the sighting of US craft I'd panic, and probably just commit fully to the mistake and continue trying to launch while under attack to clear the deck and probably losing a bunch of aircraft in the chaos. I'd be a terrible ship commander.
It's not just experience. One thing that this video keeps point out, but not really highlighting, is how slow the American torpedo bombers where. The Devastator was old and outdated by this point. Much worse was the fact that, at this point in the war, American torpedoes simply didn't work. They where garbage and would take years to fix. If you would like to know the details, Drachinifel made a video: "The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions" about this mess of a weapon. It would be funny if it wasn't for how many Americans died due to having a faulty weapon.
Minor correction...the torpedo used by American torpedo planes was the Mark 13, not the Mark 14. The Mark 13 also had problems, but not nearly the same kind of issues as the Mark 14. The Navy took vigorous actions to resolve the problems with the Mark 13, and there was nothing like the cluster-eff that happened with the Mark 14 and how long the Lavy refused to recognize how bad the Mark 14 was. ✌
I would go with strike and hope for a carrier. Better safe than sorry. With hindsight and knowing history that task force was the Task Force 16 with Carrier's and the report was off since they thought and forgot scout plane was not at it's max range when it made the report. With the lose of the Yorktown in the battle and the Enterprise being damaged along with the hornet being sunk a few months later the US Navy asked the British for a carrier Uss Robin (HMS victorious).
We mainly discuss the lead up to the wars and the European theatre, America's involvement in the European campaign isn't understated we just don't discuss the Pacific that much
@@JamesCornwall95 I'm much older than you so, my education was a little different. btw I'm American. We studied World History in 7th grade, Early American History 8th, 20th century history 10th. We studied both Pac and Atl. theaters. It also helped that my father minored in History and I loved history so it came to me easily. Something for you Admiral Yamamoto was the Commander and Chief of the Japanese fleet. He understood how Americans thought because, he studied in the USA.
Interesting that they don't talk about the Pacific theater of the war,given that Britain fought in it,too. The lack of knowledge by the rest of the world effectively absolves the Japanese of the atrocities they committed and focuses on their people as the victims of the Americans because of the dropping of A bombs
You need to watch in this order. Tora tora tora. It’s the first Pearl Harbor movie. Then watch Pearl Harbor you’re girl will like that one more. And both midway movies are good. Both are worth watching. But tora tora tora and both midway movies. They do a good job in acting out what happened. Pearl Harbor has its good parts and just stuff thrown in to bring in more women to watch the movie. It does have good Pictures in it. And tells a little about the Doolittle raid. Witch we flew bombers off the USS Hornet and bombed Tokyo. That’s also a turning point in the war. Showing them that we can hit them back. Right in the heart of Japan.
Would have obeyed orders, why was the sub even in the area? If it was responding to the attack that is one hell of an a response time, or something else is going on, better to keep the planes in reserve just in case and re-arm the others coming back from the first attack.
One of the primary uses for submarines was scouting for enemy ships. Nautilus was on patrol in that area, which is a perfectly sensible place for her to be since the Americans knew the Japanese were coming. There were probably several other US subs in the region covering likely avenues of approach to Midway.
i wouldnt have attacked with the reserve planes. they were in reserve for a reason, and why even make a plan if you aren't going to follow it? also, i'd rather risk getting attack by the base which so far has caused literally no damage than risk getting attacked by carriers. IMO it was just arrogant
You mentioned you were surprised that some British ships were destroyed by the Kido Butai. That I believe was during the Indian Ocean Raid. Also the battleships HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Wales were sunk by the Japanese.
Nagumo lost this battle because he lost sight of his objective which was to destroy the American carriers. Sure, the US had broken the Japanese codes and knew the attack was coming, but even so, if Nagumo had simply waited, his advantage in material and experience would likely have negated the ambush setup by the American fleet. To me, it doesn't matter if half of Nagumo's air crews were sitting idle. They were idle for a reason. And it wasn't like Midway's air assets were any threat to the Kido Butai despite any claims to the contrary. Nagumo was supposed to jab at Midway to provoke the US fleet into committing to battle, and he could have done this by taking his time, easily swatting away any further Midway air strikes while waiting for the US carriers to show up, but instead he inexplicably focused on Midway and committed his air crews to something that could have waited until after the enemy carriers had been dealt with.
I asked a Japanese friend about their history classes, and he said that WWII history was about 2 pages long, no mention of Pearl Harbor, but lots of pages of the atomic bombs, and the aftermath. He also said that later, he and his friends just looked it up on the computer, and learned from there. It might be different now.
It’s a shame if they teach like those bombs were a bad thing which I’m assuming they do when they saved million of Japanese, American and more lives especially the Japanese when compared to how much they killed. you should show him/her operation downfall.
@@apex_blue Also, by forcing the Japanese surrender, the US saved countless Chinese lives.
In America, we learned about the European and Pacific theaters, but things like the African theater are barely glossed over. My knowledge mainly comes from family and youtube. Also, a surprising amount of time was spent on the decision making that led to the dropping of the Atomic.
Also, we spent a lot of time learning about the USA’s intended neutrality from European affairs.
In America, we learned about North African battles, especially in Tunisia, and the mediocre performance of Montgomery, who was almost as much a blowhard as MacArthur.
I didn’t even learn about those I mainly learned about the Holocaust and yes I live in America specifically Texas
That's just your school
Nagumo's best option: "America seems like a cool place to live. Sayonara, guys. Been nice knowin' ya."
No Japanese commander would abandon their nation like that, even if Nagumo had done this every single Japanese sailor would have shot him on sight for that dishonorable act.
Midway was our (USA's) Trafalgar. It changed the entire dynamic of the war in the Pacific. After midway, the US had the upper hand at sea and it made it very difficult for the Imperial Japanese Navy to stop the 'island-hopping' campaign.
Highly recommend the movie Midway! There's an older one and a newer one (some obvious Hollywood added touches but overall, both are good)!
I saw it when I searched for this ! I will deffo watch it !
@@JamesCornwall95 the visuals in the 2019 version are soooo good. It really brings the battle to life
@@JamesCornwall95 I prefer watching the original Midway ......try it and I bet you will like it......actual combat photage was included in the battles....as the new does blow you away.....but the original is an A+ in my book.
@@willwozniak2826 where there’s a will
There’s a way
I would add Hacksaw Ridge to the movie list
I guess the "advantage" of being in American schools is that both the Atlantic & Pacific theaters are discussed, but not tactics at anywhere near this level. My dad enlisted in the U.S. Navy right after Pearl Harbor. He spoke a frustratingly small amount about those years. Heck, my mom told me more about her teenage wartime experience in Sicily.
That's crazy so your mom was born in Sicily and was a kid when the Allies rolled thru ? As for your dad I guess it just stays with him constantly
@@JamesCornwall95 - two strangers on opposite sides. (I was a late arrival, so they're both gone.) My mom told me about the people having to turn in their gold jewelry, being relocated to inland bomb shelters, etc. My dad told me only (1) his destroyer was hit by a torpedo & (2) the Panama portion of his time sucked.
Thank you for your thoughtful reaction.
While this battle was mentioned in my history classes in the US, we were not taught the specifics.
I only learned more about the battle when I learned that my son’s great grandfather was Lt Cmdr Richard “Dick” Best. Sadly, he died before I could meet him.
Operating under pressure is what separates commanders from underlings. And sometimes you have to go with your gut.
Playing it safe is not a path to success.
Seems like the first Americans to engage were merely cannon fodder. Truly sad. We had Remembrance Day on the 11th of November, as did the UK. I not only remember ours and the UK's, but I also pay homage to our American friends on Veteran's Day, also the 11th of November. You fought so valiantly in the Pacific and made many great sacrifices. I really thought I understood what happened at Midway, but what I had learned earlier wasn't complete until I saw this. I know this was the "turning point" of the Pacific war, but those poor first lads that hat to go against such odds..... blessings to you all from a thankful Canadian.
They weren't intended to be fodder, but it took the US a while to learn how to best organize and coordinate carrier strikes. This one was particularly scattershot, with squadrons from the same carriers arriving at different times from different directions. Only Yorktown's airgroup managed a coherent strike (probably having learned from their experience in the Coral Sea).
But the lessons learned on airstrike coordination and damage control from the Yorktown was applied to all ships in the navy if you want to learn about that then drachfiniel os a good naval history channel to watch
In school I loved history and as I got older I got into military history.... oddly enough there is a Swedish metal band that all of their songs are military history they even have a history Channel the band is sabaton and their sabaton history Channel..... what they do is they write a song ( midway) then the history Channel talks about the history of the battle
That sound track mmm👌. Gotta love it
Spine chilling
Those British ship losses were in the Indian Ocean, I think. The Kido Butai took a little vacation there for a few weeks... if I remember correctly.
Both of my grandfathers were in the military during WW2. One couldn't fight due to his poor eyesight, but he was a math genius and worked on radar development. The other went into the Navy and fought in the Pacific. I need to do a Freedom of Information filing to learn more, but I don't think he was in active combat at this point in the war. I suppose I study military history to honor both of them and what they did. The men of their generation had nerves of steel, especially the dive bomber pilots. We could learn tons from that.
I recommend that you check out "Battle 360" on the Enterprise. As well as any "Dogfights" episodes on WW2. There's an entire episode about how "outdated" British planes helped take down the Bismark. Oh, and the old "Battlefield" series from the 90s. The Midway and Leyte Gulf episodes are especially interesting, if perhaps out of date.
Hey Norseman, good reactions man.
I'm trying to think of a sports analogy about how quick that flipped but I can't. 3 carriers in a few minutes is nutty.
Sports analogy 3 sacks in 10 minutes that might fit well
Germany vs Brazil
Another thing that hampered the attacks of the American torpedo planes was that the torpedoes the U.S. was using at this point in the war had a nasty habit of not exploding when they hit their targets.
It's absolutely insane to think that the course of history, what we take for granted, was decided in 5 precious minutes. That is essentially a commercial break.
I mean, the US wasn't gonna surrender, so the outcome was still inevitable.
@@jordanknight336 At the time of the battle, the US had _twelve_ carriers under construction.
You may want to watch the movie "Midway." (1976). It's pretty good.
Honestly, I can't say for sure what I would have done with sending the reserve vs taking the time and keeping them close. But the fact that they had substantially more activity than expected leading up to the attack, my carrier group was spotted early while executing a surprise invasion yet the response from the enemy seemed even less effective than expected with the element of surprise, and I had no confirmation of the location of my enemy's main weapons(which are the whole point)...my head would be SCREAMING that something is really wrong. I'm pretty sure I'm pumping the brakes and waiting for the first wave I sent out to come back.
I would've picked the 2nd option which is recovering tomonaga's force first then launch an attack since it's the most viable option they had at hand
But then hiryu was sunk because of their counterattack against Yorktown
That moment you want him to do the whole thing lol
Damn the best pilots was the last wave of the American attackers... it’s like they were sending the rookies to stall for time/tire out the Japanese Force
Not really, if you look at some wiki/movies you will see them lose nearly all commanders of the squadrons and other trained and brave pilots slaughtered in the first few waves.
That is a horrible conclusion.
It seems that way, but you should watch the videos on the American side. It just kind of... happened that way. There was some confusion, some really good calls, and some luck.
That simultaneous attack by two squads of dive bombers (25 minute spot in your vid) wasn't planned that way. The squad coming from the South (Lt. Cdr. McClusky) had initially gone to the wrong location, and were dangerously low on fuel. But they spotted the Japanese destroyer that had chased away the American sub (in your Part 1 vid) hightailing it to the Northeast, returning to its task force. So, they followed it, and it led them straight to the carriers at the same time that the dive bombers from a different American carrier arrived from the North.
love the new title......"English Fella....."
Nagumo should have launched 1/3 to 1/2 of his dive bombers immediately as they'd likely only come across 1 or 2 carriers IF that because they believed the Yorktown had been so badly damaged two weeks before at The Battle of the Coral Sea that no one could ever imagine it had sailed back to Pearl, been frantically minimally repaired to sail again and repair crews sent with her to continue the repairs as she sailed North to join the Enterprise and the Hornet northeast of Midway. 1/3 of the dive bombers in reserve could have sunk one or two U.S. carriers, or at minimum badly damaged them, and if they found no carriers they could have ignored the surface fleet and conducted a search for any carriers before returning. Then Nagumo recover his returning aircraft and get further recon reports on what U.S. ships were spotted.
He went all in though. Understandable to a degree but he was operating under the assumption that no more than 2 U.S. carriers could even make it to Midway to fight at that moment.
Make sure to finish the series all three parts are good
Promise I will
I'm not sure how reaction worthy it would be, but you should check out Geoguessr Wizard's series where he walks in a straight line across Wales(and he just did Norway too).
What ?!? Haha that's crazy I wanna see this !
Although I'm American, I've developed a protective perspective toward Nagumo. The mastermind of this battle, Yamamato, should be the one receiving heavy criticism for this epic failure on top of deserved criticism for the way the attack on Pearl Harbor was mostly a failure. That man's military strategy only worked on paper where he could turn everything in his favor. Also, he had the best cultural understanding of America on the Japanese High Council since he was Harvard educated and worked in D.C. whereas the others can plead ignorance and unless someone from the Japanese can make a claim that they figured out the Americans had cracked their code, known what was coming, were able to deploy three carriers only days after one took heavy damage that should've taken weeks to repair, and the fleet had been inside of the Japanese picket line was set up then no one should be criticizing Nagumo for making this decision based off the information he was given.
I don't think Nagumo's response by turning into the enemy force was just arrogance, probably also a bit of xenophobia and racism. For the longest time in the war all the Americans have shown was loss after loss and constant retreat, even before the war there was a lack of desire to get into another major global conflict. They knew a lot about the US, and it's fractured politics, and I think the US' continued lack of desire to join in the war early on might have been misconstrued as cowardice. Why the total surprise at the damaged bomber diving in an attempt to hit the command deck, surprised that the Americans would have such courage. That is also why I think they expected the US to capitulate earlier. They fundamentally misunderstood how Americans react That yes, politics are fractured, and sometimes we all appear to almost hate one-another. But there is nothing that unites Americans more then being attacked and having a common enemy.
So when he turned into and toward the enemy force, I don't think he was expecting an insane early attack at the bombers maximum range without any kind of escort cover, it was a suicide attack, and there would just be no way that Americans would have that kind of courage, honor, and drive.
Exactly. It's like brothers who pick on each other which is fine but if someone else does it? Big mistake.
Hey my Norseman how you doing
Just gonna ask you to react to e-6 Mercury
And for your video question
Japan woke up the sleeping giant
I'll check it out man ! If only they knew the repercussions of their actions !
The Devastator, and our torpedoes, at this point in the war were junk. (I'm thinking the devastator was never used after this battle?)
This guy doesnt even mention that when the pilots released their electric safeties, that the torpedoes dropped in the empty sea.
Many of the first devastators, now torpedoless, attacked anyway just to draw anti-aircraft fire from the others who still had torpedoes.
I didnt have anyone fight in ww2 to my knowledge. But one of my Tio's (uncles) fought in Korea and another in Vietnam. Several cousins fought in Desert Storm and friends have fought in Afghanistan and Iraq. But that about it for me.
11:03 If I had been the decision maker in that IJN fleet, I would not have ordered my pilots to ditch their planes.
If I were Nagumo I'd have been hyperagressive and started launching what I had ready in the first 3 minutes of that 15 minute window. Then at the sighting of US craft I'd panic, and probably just commit fully to the mistake and continue trying to launch while under attack to clear the deck and probably losing a bunch of aircraft in the chaos. I'd be a terrible ship commander.
I think Nagumo turned to the American force because the Japanese strategy was a cataclysmic fleet on fleet action.
Three carriers in 4 minutes.
you should watch the movie Midway. It's pretty good
I'll deffo check it out !
Facts
It's not just experience. One thing that this video keeps point out, but not really highlighting, is how slow the American torpedo bombers where. The Devastator was old and outdated by this point. Much worse was the fact that, at this point in the war, American torpedoes simply didn't work. They where garbage and would take years to fix. If you would like to know the details, Drachinifel made a video: "The Mark 14 Torpedo - Failure is Like Onions" about this mess of a weapon. It would be funny if it wasn't for how many Americans died due to having a faulty weapon.
Minor correction...the torpedo used by American torpedo planes was the Mark 13, not the Mark 14. The Mark 13 also had problems, but not nearly the same kind of issues as the Mark 14. The Navy took vigorous actions to resolve the problems with the Mark 13, and there was nothing like the cluster-eff that happened with the Mark 14 and how long the Lavy refused to recognize how bad the Mark 14 was. ✌
I would go with strike and hope for a carrier. Better safe than sorry.
With hindsight and knowing history that task force was the Task Force 16 with Carrier's and the report was off since they thought and forgot scout plane was not at it's max range when it made the report. With the lose of the Yorktown in the battle and the Enterprise being damaged along with the hornet being sunk a few months later the US Navy asked the British for a carrier Uss Robin (HMS victorious).
What do you guys learn about ww2? Depending on the education here, you either learn about only America’s role or the whole world’s roles. It’s weird
We mainly discuss the lead up to the wars and the European theatre, America's involvement in the European campaign isn't understated we just don't discuss the Pacific that much
@@JamesCornwall95 I'm much older than you so, my education was a little different. btw I'm American. We studied World History in 7th grade, Early American History 8th, 20th century history 10th. We studied both Pac and Atl. theaters. It also helped that my father minored in History and I loved history so it came to me easily. Something for you Admiral Yamamoto was the Commander and Chief of the Japanese fleet. He understood how Americans thought because, he studied in the USA.
@@kjsalomonsen9299 same here we got american history and world history my father is retired U.S.Army who loved both military history and tactics
@@street1111 My father was in Korea and went to college on the GI bill. My brother was US Army Green Beret retired.
@@kjsalomonsen9299 my uncle is a Vietnam vet and got his engineering degree thanks to the G.I. bill
As good as a Hollywood movie, definitely. Special effects not as good as Roland Emmerich's, but the storytelling is better.
Ack! Where's the rest of the story! Can't wait, show us!
Does your guys education of ww2 in school talk about the pacific at all or does it end when Germany surrenders?
Mainly about the European theatre we do learn about the A bomb but that's kind of it (for me that's how it was anyway)
@@JamesCornwall95 In America we learn about both theaters but spend a lot more time of the lead up to war and the European theatre
@@rileyrogers4473 True the lead up does take a long time ! Talk about Churchill's and Roosevelt's relationship a fair bit aswel !
@@JamesCornwall95 if you want to watch a good video about their relationship there is a 48 minute video about Churchill and FDR
Interesting that they don't talk about the Pacific theater of the war,given that Britain fought in it,too.
The lack of knowledge by the rest of the world effectively absolves the Japanese of the atrocities they committed and focuses on their people as the victims of the Americans because of the dropping of A bombs
The US went back and got the 4th Japanese Carrier Hyru
You need to watch in this order. Tora tora tora. It’s the first Pearl Harbor movie. Then watch Pearl Harbor you’re girl will like that one more. And both midway movies are good. Both are worth watching. But tora tora tora and both midway movies. They do a good job in acting out what happened. Pearl Harbor has its good parts and just stuff thrown in to bring in more women to watch the movie. It does have good Pictures in it. And tells a little about the Doolittle raid. Witch we flew bombers off the USS Hornet and bombed Tokyo. That’s also a turning point in the war. Showing them that we can hit them back. Right in the heart of Japan.
Japanese battle tactics were sound, but the plans were flawed. The loss came down to lack of foresight, and good execution couldn't make up for it.
The HMS ships listed were Australian
HMS were British. HMAS were Australian.
Would have obeyed orders, why was the sub even in the area? If it was responding to the attack that is one hell of an a response time, or something else is going on, better to keep the planes in reserve just in case and re-arm the others coming back from the first attack.
One of the primary uses for submarines was scouting for enemy ships. Nautilus was on patrol in that area, which is a perfectly sensible place for her to be since the Americans knew the Japanese were coming. There were probably several other US subs in the region covering likely avenues of approach to Midway.
i wouldnt have attacked with the reserve planes. they were in reserve for a reason, and why even make a plan if you aren't going to follow it? also, i'd rather risk getting attack by the base which so far has caused literally no damage than risk getting attacked by carriers. IMO it was just arrogant
Have you seen the new movie. MIDWAY. To me it was spot on.
IfI had the informations as Nagumo had, I'd act the same
nagumo got fired after this and he musta been sad chichi head
Nagumo had.a history of making of making the safe choice. Read up on the battle of Leyte Gulf.
Nagumo died during the Battle of Saipan. Were you thinking of Kurita at Leyte?
You mentioned you were surprised that some British ships were destroyed by the Kido Butai. That I believe was during the Indian Ocean Raid.
Also the battleships HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Wales were sunk by the Japanese.
If you simulated this battle 10 times the Japanese would probably win 8 battles.
Nagumo lost this battle because he lost sight of his objective which was to destroy the American carriers. Sure, the US had broken the Japanese codes and knew the attack was coming, but even so, if Nagumo had simply waited, his advantage in material and experience would likely have negated the ambush setup by the American fleet. To me, it doesn't matter if half of Nagumo's air crews were sitting idle. They were idle for a reason. And it wasn't like Midway's air assets were any threat to the Kido Butai despite any claims to the contrary. Nagumo was supposed to jab at Midway to provoke the US fleet into committing to battle, and he could have done this by taking his time, easily swatting away any further Midway air strikes while waiting for the US carriers to show up, but instead he inexplicably focused on Midway and committed his air crews to something that could have waited until after the enemy carriers had been dealt with.
Try MelodySheep
One thing that EVERYONE ignores is that ships can be attacked, perfectly well, with bombs! Even a near miss could sink a ship.
5 mins
Lose your three best ships/carriers
GAME OVER MAN, GAME OVER