@@kthereturned2874 I mean, why not think about it? He is immortal, even if you kill him, he still comes back like nothing has ever happend. So yeah he might be the Furtive Pygmy
they say soulsgames are hard but ive been playing the elden ring and when youre cautious you can play with 0 rips, im in limgrave right now and just met a npc called Varre
when you ask patches about the demi humans he says "they're all foot soldiers. survivors of a defeated army. worked to the bone by their high-and-mighty lord, only to be thrown out with the rubbish... it's the same old story, everywhere i go" i love the idea that we meet the exact same patches in every game and hes just used to how messed up everything is lmao
at this point i believe every souls game is just the same universe which just take place alot of time apart, like you can see ds1 references and character in ds3 and they took it a step further to where every game is one universe or maybe multiple timelines with now elden rings different endings, kinda like the Zelda timeline. Maybe the character we play even is the same in every game or they thought it like we as a player are the character since we create it Patches being in every game also suggests that or id even say confirms it edit: confirms the part where all games are one universe not the last thing thats just an idea
@@erikn.9180 i mean the dark souls trilogy are obviously in the same universe. theres tons of good theories that connect all the other games together pretty well, but as far as canon goes i dont think theyre supposed to be connected
@@erikn.9180 no, I don't think Miyazaki's intention was ever to create a grand interconnected universe. Separate stories that play similarly, that's what it is.
There's also the Serpent Slayer, maybe Sekiro reference? But I suppose you don't kill the serpent in that way and Rykard is literally a Serpent so maybe not so much haha
3:51 - Someone (pretty sure it was Zullie) also found that the red wolf of radagon was supposed to be the old wolf of farron as a boss in DS3 before it got scrapped
And the ulcerated tree spirit as well, look like the pus of man worm boss in the ds3 concept art. And Tomoe, who is a lightning themed, beautiful woman, (potentially using katana too since it’s sekiro), who almost kill Isshin. Likely moved to ER instead of the canceled Sekiro DLC, even the waterfowl dance is likely a modified spiral cloud passage, which is also a combat art related to tomoe. Mortal draw -> bloody slash Floating passage ~> corpse piler Tree avatar ~> Asylum demon (+spell)
@@zaxmaxlax I'm not saying you're incorrect, but it's worth noting "helpful guy you encounter throughout the game with a tragic ending" easily describes well over half the NPCs in Soulsborne games. It's their motif at this point; all the nice people have questlines that end worse than they start, including Siegmeyer.
I feel like a reference that a lot of people miss is when Patches tells you to come back later to his shop, he says "I'll be ready to wheel and deal next time!" which is possibly a reference to Gavlan from DS2 and his famous catchphrase "Gavlan wheel, Gavlan deal."
For the Basilisks, it’s really cool how they designed them in Elden Ring, or rather, how they created the lore behind their design. In one of Zullie’s video about Godwyn, she mentioned how Godwyn’s likeness is appearing all over Lands Between. We can see it by looking for creepy eyes and face in things. The giant octopus-like face beneath Godrick’s Castle is actually one of them. The basilisks’ eyes are believed to be Godwyn’s likeness appearing in them, hence the big eyes resembling the giant face beneath Godrick’s Castle.
everything related to death blight is related to godwyn, since death blight comes from his corpse. the basilisks have scale like things growing across their bodies, and their "eyes" look exactly the same as the eyes that grow on the deathroot all across the world
1:04 Just wanna point out that Patches isn't in DS2, that's Pate, they share alot of similarities and share the same purpose in the game but they're different characters.
Yeah that got me a little a peeved too. Makes no sense since they have different names and voice actors. Also, considering how ds 1 2 3 are canonically linked, it makes no sense as to how he could be an entirely different person, so its just wrong to say pate is patches.
Pate (and by extension creighton)was more like a spiritual homage to patches with the twist being that patches was split into two separate characters and they wanna kill each other. Both of these characters embody some aspects of patches and both have lead you to traps or dangerous places in promise of treasure.
@@danyaljamil1677 Where did you get that from ? I mean Bloodborne is kind of "more in the future" if compared to ds III, like there is guns and some cars even lamps, so how could someone who has no idea what those things are, (someone from the ds III universe) paint it ?
@@emilioleao4861 The theory is that after you return the blood of the dark soul to the painter girl she paints Yharnam. There's actually a bit of evidence for it, unlike this Elden Ring painting theory.
As iconic as the moonlight blade we also have the chaos blade: DS1 “chaos blade” DS2 “chaos blade” DS3 “chaos blade” Bloodborne “chikage” Sekiro “mortal blade” Elden ring “rivers of blood” Man this weapon is close to be on every game and no one talks about it when it comes to references?
@@malware9668 Rivers of blood shares the same animations of mortal blade in sekiro, and it came from Okina, the lands of reeds (like the japan translation for the kanji ashina: "reed name"), a land destroyed by an eternal civil war
There's also an outer god associated with blood known as the Formless Mother, much like how Oedon in Bloodborne is associated with blood and seeks it out, according to the description of the "Formless Oedon" rune.
also the weapon you use to fight rykard is heavily inspired by the nameless king's swordspear. it does wind attacks and the weapon art is the same thrust he does in his fight
and the sword he uses is inspired by berserk, where the skull knight pull a sword made out of flesh from his mouth also that sword you fight rykard with isn't inspired from the nameless king, it's inspired by demon's souls and dark souls 3
there’s also the connection from Elemer of the briar to Kirk, knight of thorns they both invade you multiple times in different areas their armor sets are covered in thorns/briars that deal damage when you roll
Wanna know another one? The Crescent axe is in all Darksouls ,Demonsouls and Kingsfield. In Elden ring it's there with the description about Nostalgia, I believe it's a direct call to the axes From kingsfield which was Naotoshi Zin (Miyazaki's mentor and the old Fromsoft president) favorite weapon.
One you missed is that the boss Necromancer Garris in Elden Ring drops a weapon called ‘Family Heads’. Considering he is a necromancer and his weapon references the heads of his wife and child, I think its a pretty clear nod to Pinwheel from ds1 :)
Another one is Godfrey/Hourah Loux's cutscene After he kills Serosh, you see a shot of him taking a deep breath with vapor coming from his mouth Exactly as Father Gascoigne did
@@Chengus Not exactly similar. Nameless king finished off a dying old friend in order to gain more power and cut its suffering. Godfrey Killed Serosh because he was literally bound to his back to act as a mediator of Godfrey's rage and lust of war.
fun fact about the moonlight greatsword: it's been in nearly every fromsoft game, not just the souls/born series. it's even in the armored core franchise as the moonlight arm blade
He said in the video that Sekiro doesn't has a moon sword but I recall a giant white dragon wielding a blue emitting light katana. You can't equip it but it's there 🙃
The Basilisks are an important addition because if you look at their eyes and the rest of their model, you can see(most of them) they have been corrupted by Godwyn’s corpse. That’s also why they spray death mist.
But its not really. Its a reference to the Seven branched sword, which was a gift from a King in Baekje what is now Korea to the Yomato Dynasty Ruler in Japan somewhere between 396 and 409 CE. The "beam" is made of wind and not moonlight. Though, the beams do have some similarities in shape, and the blade in color, it feels more like a wink to the player. In the end the player doesn't have access to the weapon 🤷
@@themaskedhobo it… doesn’t have to be exclusive to just that. It’s a seven branched moonlight sword. As in its Sekiro’s equivalent. Several branched swords appear in many, many forms of media, it’s not all the same.
I think that ensha is maybe symbolizing the first dark lord that kaathe talks about because he does use lifedrain that actually drains life, and kaathe said that the original lord used lifedrain to its full extent, food for thought
Its like fromsoft has made the new "Zelda" series. Each game is basically a retelling of the same story, in a little bit of a different setting. They could continue making the same game till the end of time and I'd get each one lol
I felt that with Final Fantasies as well, mostly the pre-PS3 titles. Whenever I saw the name of a producer or director I knew I suspected I'd be playing a JRPG with elements and patterns I'm familiar with and I was proven right every time. And in general I feel like Japanase game producers keep making the same game and telling the same story seemingly until they perfect it.
One of my favorites is the Eclipse Soldiers; they worship an eclipse that bleeds downwards in 3 strands, exactly like the eclipse of Dark Souls 3, right down to the emblem being on their chest, and the same shape of shield.
The moonlight sword actually goes back to armored core 1 and is in all of those games. It's probably the oldest callback along with Patches, though Tenchu (and it's grappling hook that's more or less the same in Sekiro) came out a year later. Irina and Morne are likely a callback to Astrea and Garl Vinland from Demon Souls. Either way, From is really big on creating permutations of similar themes, and those recurrent elements are what people draw people back to their games.
Also the Sentinel Boss Loretta has the same name as Greyrats Wife from DS3. We only found her bones there and it might be coincidence, but Loretta is kind of an unusual name.
The dark souls chests in Elden Ring is actually a mistake from the devs (probably used the wrong assets), they patched some of the chests in the last patches to make them elden ring chests again.
Fun fact about the Moonlight Greatsword, it actually dates back way farther than just Dark Souls. It originally appeared in King's Field as a major plot point and has had some iteration in almost every FromSoft game since, (except Sekiro) including Armored Core
Another little fun fact about the red wolves of radagon: apparently they are reskins of the model used for the old wolf of farron in dark souls 3. I believe SekiroDubi mentioned it in one of their videos!
I thought it was more a nod to the warriors of sunlight but I think you’re right in that, the sun was amplified by gwyndolin after gwynevere left so I think you’re right, man I want their sword though it looks so fun to hopefully use
That's because it is the same world repainted. "Into a cold and gentle one." The universe of Dark Souls is itself a Painted World, fiction given life, and in Dark Souls we end up meeting the nameless Painter who ends up literally rebooting the franchise as Elden Ring IN UNIVERSE. The entire thing was a meta commentary on being stuck in the past and how franchises literally wither and die the longer time goes on. The Painter is metaphorically From Software, and Elden Ring is literally Dark Souls.
Woah, woah, woah there. I believe there is one huge connection with ER and BB you have missed. The Messenger statues within Nokron and Nokstella. It makes me wonder if the Messengers have more lore to them than simply being a Hunters helper.
Nice work putting together these aesthetic/design connections. Most people are just looking for literal connections, like Patches and the Moonlight Sword. But these spiritual connections can be just as interesting.
”This simply isn’t like you” may not be breaking the 4th wall, it may be reffering to the tarnished in general. Ofcourse it hints at the player but lore wise is probably means that. The ”old story” he’s talking about, again, is hinting towards the player but lore wise probably means he’s quite arrogant
Elden ring kinda is just all the dark souls games into one, and I mean all the souls borne games, dark souls, Bloodborne, seiko, it has the feel of dark souls but also has that gothic and steampunk feel blood borne had and also has samurai too that's where the Seiko feel comes in, so basically all the games they made combined into one, that's how I think about it
@1:55 wait... great jar alexander ISN'T siggy/sigward?! lionel doesnt have any voice lines (if he has a quest i havent found it yet) but great jar's questline is nearly identical: early game intro/help out of a slight pickle; run into a few hours later and get a new piece of dialogue, mid game meeting with a slightly more serious pickle/ coop play, occasional hang outs in late-mid game/early-late game areas, new dialogues; end game ultimate pickle, NPC death/sacrifice, prepare to cry where the literal F word does lionel the lionfarted fit into all that?
Nice video! Patches in Armored Core was a neat surprise, been a long time since I played any of those games. The Moonlight Sword has been around even longer though and was in the King's Field series and Otogi too.
I think the trees connect dimensions, and patches soul is by nature (or not) somehow untethered and traveles through them on each death. Idk sounds far fetched
I dont know, dark souls is a straight story line, with patch inside, he wasnt in bloodborn, so elden ring might supposed to be in dark souls story line but dont know where, mayby before dark souls 1, because they are nothing about souls, only patche here
3:00 Actually I do think the moonlight greatsword appears in sekiro. Im talking about the seven-branched sword held by the divine dragon. It emits green/blue light and it also shoots these C-shaped projectiles. Given that this thing apparently was in almost all fromsoft's action games ever since kings field, also including armored core, I don't think this was just a coincidence.
The way elden ring is a combination of mechanics from all the previous games just makes it clear that it was meant to be the ultimate from software game, kinda like "we put in everything that we couldn't before and did it even better this time"
One thing i will mention is that the moonlight greatsword in Sekiro could be the one wielded by the Divine dragon. Its a stretch, sure, as it doesnt appear similair at all other than its glowing green hue, but its a likely candidate
Another thing with Patches, before he opens shop after forgiving him, he says he'll be "ready to wheel and deal come next time", referencing DS2's Gavlan. "Gavlan wheel, Gavlan deal"
We encouter him another time, behind a rock and hiding in a bush, it was really hard to see him, i thought it was an ennemy but ut was patche, i dont know if someone know it, ane he push you like in souks games
It’s never realy confirmed but I always viewed the big blue green sword of the dragon in sekiro as the moonlight greatsword, you just sadly can’t use it
0:51 There was also an enemy in DS3 who would teleport you to the Rotten Greatwood boss arena, and if you went there before fighting the boss you could also join a covenant.
I like to imagine the Soulsborne games take place in some screwed up multiverse and Patches is like the Deadpool of this multiverse and is just aware of everything
While Lionnel’s set does bear resemblance to the the Catalina knights, I find that Seigmeyer is much more closely represented in a Alexander whose story and character seems to share similarities too
Honestly, not all similarities are references. Most of the time, it just comes down to Fromsoft being smart and reusing assets, such as the Fire Prelate resembling Smough, Asylum Demon skeleton across DS1, DS3, and Elden Ring. You didn't even mention the fact they retooled the large Lothric Foot Soldiers wielding halberds and great axes into skeleton enemies using the same weapons and movesets, and the Lothric Knight becoming the Banished Knight. If there is a similarity, you shouldn't think too much about it, because game devs need to be smart and not work from the ground up. They don't want you to go all Pixar theory, just because there are subtle overlaps. That's just their style of game and writing.
Hit it right on the head lol. If they were supposed to be “references” they don’t really even make sense, as for example why would a random enemy in the mountaintops be a reference to smough, a very important boss in ds1? But if every asset was made from the ground up the game probably would have taken another year or two, so while I don’t exactly like it, it’s understandable
Also, many of the references don't make sense, lore-wise. For instance, what is the Daughter of Chaos doing in DS3 in that location, if she died in Blighttown/Demon's Ruins?
The Arch Trees appearing in every game reminds me of the line from BioShock Infinite "There's always a lighthouse, there's always a city." In every Fromsoft universe there are constants thst always exist.
I always asked myself what was the connection between Blackflame Friede and the Godskin Apostles. What I know is that I stumbled upon a fanart of Friede wearing a godskin mantle, which is badass.
The Moonlight Greatsword kinda does appear in Sekiro, though the player can't use it, the Divine Dragon uses a jade-teal *glowing* sword that shoots out waves of attacks at the player. I mean it's glowy, somewhat greenish blue, is a greatsword. It might not necessarily be of lunar origin or inspired but it fits the best in terms of a Moonlight Greatsword's description
Patches is actually an outer god, able to interact with different universes
And always a deceitful but cowardly thing, unchanging yet always changing his place
Furtive pygmy
@@kthereturned2874 I mean, why not think about it? He is immortal, even if you kill him, he still comes back like nothing has ever happend. So yeah he might be the Furtive Pygmy
So sayeth the God emperor of mankind, slayer of Xenos and clapper of galactic cheeks
@@b-rosetheartist3761 praise be
Another cool connection between these games is the "you died" feature!
Where can I find this feature?
@@Conandus in caelid.
they say soulsgames are hard but ive been playing the elden ring and when youre cautious you can play with 0 rips, im in limgrave right now and just met a npc called Varre
@@olgagaming5544 good job. Any tips on avoiding soldier of godrick?
@@olgagaming5544 i hope to god your being ironic
when you ask patches about the demi humans he says "they're all foot soldiers. survivors of a defeated army. worked to the bone by their high-and-mighty lord, only to be thrown out with the rubbish... it's the same old story, everywhere i go"
i love the idea that we meet the exact same patches in every game and hes just used to how messed up everything is lmao
I think he's talking about the deserters in the cave, not the demi-humans
@@honouredknight-wanderer357 doesn't matter. It's that last line that references the plot from each game he is in.
at this point i believe every souls game is just the same universe which just take place alot of time apart, like you can see ds1 references and character in ds3 and they took it a step further to where every game is one universe or maybe multiple timelines with now elden rings different endings, kinda like the Zelda timeline. Maybe the character we play even is the same in every game or they thought it like we as a player are the character since we create it
Patches being in every game also suggests that or id even say confirms it
edit: confirms the part where all games are one universe not the last thing thats just an idea
@@erikn.9180
i mean the dark souls trilogy are obviously in the same universe. theres tons of good theories that connect all the other games together pretty well, but as far as canon goes i dont think theyre supposed to be connected
@@erikn.9180 no, I don't think Miyazaki's intention was ever to create a grand interconnected universe. Separate stories that play similarly, that's what it is.
When talking to miniature Ranni, she gives the line: "Or is it merely thy habit, to talk to dolls?" possibly referencing to doll from Bloodborne
Ohhhh that’s a good one would have never thought of that
Wooahh
I remember when she said this it definitely sent me for a spin lol
There's also the Serpent Slayer, maybe Sekiro reference? But I suppose you don't kill the serpent in that way and Rykard is literally a Serpent so maybe not so much haha
there is the talking doll in ds3 too. well the doll only spoke to Anri i think (told her to go to irithyll) so thats something too
3:51 - Someone (pretty sure it was Zullie) also found that the red wolf of radagon was supposed to be the old wolf of farron as a boss in DS3 before it got scrapped
And the ulcerated tree spirit as well, look like the pus of man worm boss in the ds3 concept art.
And Tomoe, who is a lightning themed, beautiful woman, (potentially using katana too since it’s sekiro), who almost kill Isshin. Likely moved to ER instead of the canceled Sekiro DLC, even the waterfowl dance is likely a modified spiral cloud passage, which is also a combat art related to tomoe.
Mortal draw -> bloody slash
Floating passage ~> corpse piler
Tree avatar ~> Asylum demon (+spell)
Sif is best dog
@@ShadowProject01 dark souls fan “try not to bring up sif when you hear anything dog like” challenge
@@innecessary3911 The old wolf iant Sif you dingus, its the Watchdogs of Faron covenant Master that is Just a Dead wolf
@@DronesOverTheMoon I never said it was. You’re arguing against someone that isn’t there dumbass 💀💀💀
I feel like Alexander is our new Seigmeyer. Both are jolly in the face of danger, we follow them on their quest and their end is tragic.
...maybe alexander inherited his jolly behaviour by consuming him...
Sound alike too
Makes sense but almost everyone's quest end tragically.
Who would be our Solaire then 🤔?
His ending is not tragic, he dies a hero on the battlefield
Only thing I will say is that Alexander is Elden Rings Siegmeyer, not the Lionel guy
One got the personality, the other the armor set.
More like solaire/lucatiel a guy you enconter thru the game and helps you (with a tragic ending)
@@zaxmaxlax I'm not saying you're incorrect, but it's worth noting "helpful guy you encounter throughout the game with a tragic ending" easily describes well over half the NPCs in Soulsborne games. It's their motif at this point; all the nice people have questlines that end worse than they start, including Siegmeyer.
@@thepearled0120 siegmeyer is always in a pickle and alexander is always in a pickle
@@zaxmaxlax wait... can you meet him alive ? does he have a questline ? or is he just doomed to be Fia's simp ?
I feel like a reference that a lot of people miss is when Patches tells you to come back later to his shop, he says "I'll be ready to wheel and deal next time!" which is possibly a reference to Gavlan from DS2 and his famous catchphrase "Gavlan wheel, Gavlan deal."
Lionel may have the armor and look but I think Alexander is the one who inherits the warrior spirit of a Catarinian
...the dreams of warriors live forth inside the pot boys...
Yeah Lionel gave us the armor and Alexander gave us the vibes
👌🔥
For the Basilisks, it’s really cool how they designed them in Elden Ring, or rather, how they created the lore behind their design. In one of Zullie’s video about Godwyn, she mentioned how Godwyn’s likeness is appearing all over Lands Between. We can see it by looking for creepy eyes and face in things. The giant octopus-like face beneath Godrick’s Castle is actually one of them. The basilisks’ eyes are believed to be Godwyn’s likeness appearing in them, hence the big eyes resembling the giant face beneath Godrick’s Castle.
everything related to death blight is related to godwyn, since death blight comes from his corpse. the basilisks have scale like things growing across their bodies, and their "eyes" look exactly the same as the eyes that grow on the deathroot all across the world
I wanna fight godwyn somehow so bad
@@colorgreen8728 DLC perhaps if they cover the Dream World.
1:04 Just wanna point out that Patches isn't in DS2, that's Pate, they share alot of similarities and share the same purpose in the game but they're different characters.
They do both have spears and big shields so it’s definitely pretty much the exact same person, pates voice was nice and buttery though
@@colorgreen8728 As I said, many similarities but not the same guy.
Yeah that got me a little a peeved too. Makes no sense since they have different names and voice actors. Also, considering how ds 1 2 3 are canonically linked, it makes no sense as to how he could be an entirely different person, so its just wrong to say pate is patches.
Pate (and by extension creighton)was more like a spiritual homage to patches with the twist being that patches was split into two separate characters and they wanna kill each other. Both of these characters embody some aspects of patches and both have lead you to traps or dangerous places in promise of treasure.
Yeahhhhh... But we all know that pate is patches.
My favorite theory is that Elden Ring is just a living painting in one of the Dark Souls games.
Ohhhhhh like in the dark souls 3 dlc where at the end you fight sister Freide and make a new painting world
Like bloodborne.
@@danyaljamil1677 Where did you get that from ? I mean Bloodborne is kind of "more in the future" if compared to ds III, like there is guns and some cars even lamps, so how could someone who has no idea what those things are, (someone from the ds III universe) paint it ?
@@emilioleao4861 The theory is that after you return the blood of the dark soul to the painter girl she paints Yharnam. There's actually a bit of evidence for it, unlike this Elden Ring painting theory.
My favorite theory about Elden Ring is it's that the game is a prequel to Demon's Souls, Dark Souls and Bloodborne
As iconic as the moonlight blade we also have the chaos blade: DS1 “chaos blade” DS2 “chaos blade” DS3 “chaos blade” Bloodborne “chikage” Sekiro “mortal blade” Elden ring “rivers of blood”
Man this weapon is close to be on every game and no one talks about it when it comes to references?
Rivers of Blood felt more like the bestowal ninjutsu, godslayer great sword tho….
river of blood is very much not the same as other ones
@@malware9668 Rivers of blood shares the same animations of mortal blade in sekiro, and it came from Okina, the lands of reeds (like the japan translation for the kanji ashina: "reed name"), a land destroyed by an eternal civil war
@@untipo. no it doesn't bloody slash looks more similar to mortal draw
@@kwamemwangs2173 idk, I'm sure it's an animation from sekiro but maybe it's an ability instead of weapon
There's also an outer god associated with blood known as the Formless Mother, much like how Oedon in Bloodborne is associated with blood and seeks it out, according to the description of the "Formless Oedon" rune.
And Oedon itself is formless, being described as something that exists everywhere and sees everything.
also the weapon you use to fight rykard is heavily inspired by the nameless king's swordspear. it does wind attacks and the weapon art is the same thrust he does in his fight
and the sword he uses is inspired by berserk, where the skull knight pull a sword made out of flesh from his mouth
also that sword you fight rykard with isn't inspired from the nameless king, it's inspired by demon's souls and dark souls 3
@@j4zzboy734 the nameless king is from dark souls 3
@@themafiaman7554 I know but the weapon is used in yhorm fight, it's called storm ruler
@@j4zzboy734 oh ok
@@j4zzboy734 but the storm ruler is a sword not a spear even though both of them have wind attacks
Regarding Irina and Morne: The Morne-set wearer is later called "The Moaning Knight", and the boss arena in Castle Morne is called The Moangrave
there’s also the connection from Elemer of the briar to Kirk, knight of thorns
they both invade you multiple times in different areas
their armor sets are covered in thorns/briars that deal damage when you roll
Wanna know another one? The Crescent axe is in all Darksouls ,Demonsouls and Kingsfield.
In Elden ring it's there with the description about Nostalgia, I believe it's a direct call to the axes From kingsfield which was Naotoshi Zin (Miyazaki's mentor and the old Fromsoft president) favorite weapon.
I choose to believe that the magic sword wielded by the Divine Dragon boss is Sekiro's version of the Moonlight Sword
it's green and it shoots wave projectiles, mlgs in sekiro confirmed
One you missed is that the boss Necromancer Garris in Elden Ring drops a weapon called ‘Family Heads’. Considering he is a necromancer and his weapon references the heads of his wife and child, I think its a pretty clear nod to Pinwheel from ds1 :)
I thought of pinwheel too!
Another one is Godfrey/Hourah Loux's cutscene
After he kills Serosh, you see a shot of him taking a deep breath with vapor coming from his mouth
Exactly as Father Gascoigne did
@@Chengus In Hourah Loux's case it's the idea of freeing from the shackles of lordship than to absorb power
@@Chengus Not exactly similar. Nameless king finished off a dying old friend in order to gain more power and cut its suffering. Godfrey Killed Serosh because he was literally bound to his back to act as a mediator of Godfrey's rage and lust of war.
fun fact about the moonlight greatsword: it's been in nearly every fromsoft game, not just the souls/born series. it's even in the armored core franchise as the moonlight arm blade
He said in the video that Sekiro doesn't has a moon sword but I recall a giant white dragon wielding a blue emitting light katana. You can't equip it but it's there 🙃
@@DivisionOfTheLightyeah,and it's based from seveb-branche sword,which is believed to be ceremonial tool
Not sure which game came out first, but the moonlight sword is in the very first King's Field.
I like to think that we’re not meeting a new version of Patches in each game but rather the same Patches who is just wandering through time and space.
The Basilisks are an important addition because if you look at their eyes and the rest of their model, you can see(most of them) they have been corrupted by Godwyn’s corpse. That’s also why they spray death mist.
In Sekiro I think the divine dragon wields the moonlight great sword equivalent. Good vid.
But its not really. Its a reference to the Seven branched sword, which was a gift from a King in Baekje what is now Korea to the Yomato Dynasty Ruler in Japan somewhere between 396 and 409 CE. The "beam" is made of wind and not moonlight. Though, the beams do have some similarities in shape, and the blade in color, it feels more like a wink to the player. In the end the player doesn't have access to the weapon 🤷
@@themaskedhobo it… doesn’t have to be exclusive to just that. It’s a seven branched moonlight sword. As in its Sekiro’s equivalent. Several branched swords appear in many, many forms of media, it’s not all the same.
I think that ensha is maybe symbolizing the first dark lord that kaathe talks about because he does use lifedrain that actually drains life, and kaathe said that the original lord used lifedrain to its full extent, food for thought
I can’t believe you mentioned the Erdtree Gaurdians and Asylum Demon without mentioning Vanguard, the True predecessor of both from Demon’s Souls
Its like fromsoft has made the new "Zelda" series.
Each game is basically a retelling of the same story, in a little bit of a different setting. They could continue making the same game till the end of time and I'd get each one lol
I felt that with Final Fantasies as well, mostly the pre-PS3 titles. Whenever I saw the name of a producer or director I knew I suspected I'd be playing a JRPG with elements and patterns I'm familiar with and I was proven right every time. And in general I feel like Japanase game producers keep making the same game and telling the same story seemingly until they perfect it.
I always thought Souls was very Zelda-inspired
One of my favorites is the Eclipse Soldiers; they worship an eclipse that bleeds downwards in 3 strands, exactly like the eclipse of Dark Souls 3, right down to the emblem being on their chest, and the same shape of shield.
The moonlight sword actually goes back to armored core 1 and is in all of those games. It's probably the oldest callback along with Patches, though Tenchu (and it's grappling hook that's more or less the same in Sekiro) came out a year later.
Irina and Morne are likely a callback to Astrea and Garl Vinland from Demon Souls. Either way, From is really big on creating permutations of similar themes, and those recurrent elements are what people draw people back to their games.
The Moonlight greatsword goes back to king's field 1
Was gona mention kings field but was beat to the punch
Sekiro actually started as a Tenchu remake before they changed it to its own original IP.
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Also the Sentinel Boss Loretta has the same name as Greyrats Wife from DS3. We only found her bones there and it might be coincidence, but Loretta is kind of an unusual name.
In terms of actual Seigmier/Seigward successor, it’s actually Great Jar Alexander. Lionel is just the armor. He’s not an actual character.
The dark souls chests in Elden Ring is actually a mistake from the devs (probably used the wrong assets), they patched some of the chests in the last patches to make them elden ring chests again.
Ngl when i found It i hoped to be eaten
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Nah there’s one in perfumer ruins that stayed
Fun fact about the Moonlight Greatsword, it actually dates back way farther than just Dark Souls. It originally appeared in King's Field as a major plot point and has had some iteration in almost every FromSoft game since, (except Sekiro) including Armored Core
"It's like poetry. It rhymes" - Hidetaka Miyazaki
Another little fun fact about the red wolves of radagon: apparently they are reskins of the model used for the old wolf of farron in dark souls 3. I believe SekiroDubi mentioned it in one of their videos!
After that dialogue from Patches I feel like the protagonist is loosely based on the Eternal Champion from Michael Moorcock's comic books.
Their is actually a shield dropped by grave skeletons that references Anor Lando.
I thought it was more a nod to the warriors of sunlight but I think you’re right in that, the sun was amplified by gwyndolin after gwynevere left so I think you’re right, man I want their sword though it looks so fun to hopefully use
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That's because it is the same world repainted. "Into a cold and gentle one." The universe of Dark Souls is itself a Painted World, fiction given life, and in Dark Souls we end up meeting the nameless Painter who ends up literally rebooting the franchise as Elden Ring IN UNIVERSE. The entire thing was a meta commentary on being stuck in the past and how franchises literally wither and die the longer time goes on. The Painter is metaphorically From Software, and Elden Ring is literally Dark Souls.
I thought the cold and gentle place was more bloodborne, as it’s always cold and night
Woah, woah, woah there. I believe there is one huge connection with ER and BB you have missed. The Messenger statues within Nokron and Nokstella. It makes me wonder if the Messengers have more lore to them than simply being a Hunters helper.
in Sekiro , The dragon you fight has the moonlight greatsword, meaning it is every soulsborne game
The Moonlight Greatsword goes back to King's Field 1, so what?...
This is pretty wild, but it’s actually confirmed !
Another albeit small reference is the sun realm shield, which could be a nod at dark souls' Astora
You could argue that the moonlight great sword was in sekiro, wielded by the divine dragon.
Nice work putting together these aesthetic/design connections. Most people are just looking for literal connections, like Patches and the Moonlight Sword. But these spiritual connections can be just as interesting.
”This simply isn’t like you” may not be breaking the 4th wall, it may be reffering to the tarnished in general. Ofcourse it hints at the player but lore wise is probably means that. The ”old story” he’s talking about, again, is hinting towards the player but lore wise probably means he’s quite arrogant
bro is actually winning
Don't forget the "old man letting out a breath" frame, in the fight with Gehrman and with Godfrey
Elden ring kinda is just all the dark souls games into one, and I mean all the souls borne games, dark souls, Bloodborne, seiko, it has the feel of dark souls but also has that gothic and steampunk feel blood borne had and also has samurai too that's where the Seiko feel comes in, so basically all the games they made combined into one, that's how I think about it
@1:55 wait... great jar alexander ISN'T siggy/sigward?!
lionel doesnt have any voice lines (if he has a quest i havent found it yet) but great jar's questline is nearly identical: early game intro/help out of a slight pickle; run into a few hours later and get a new piece of dialogue, mid game meeting with a slightly more serious pickle/ coop play, occasional hang outs in late-mid game/early-late game areas, new dialogues; end game ultimate pickle, NPC death/sacrifice, prepare to cry
where the literal F word does lionel the lionfarted fit into all that?
That Patches the Untethered now wanders fromsoft's multiverse of canons is my new headcanon.
Another cool connection is that they have health
Nice video! Patches in Armored Core was a neat surprise, been a long time since I played any of those games. The Moonlight Sword has been around even longer though and was in the King's Field series and Otogi too.
Patches is night lord
I think the trees connect dimensions, and patches soul is by nature (or not) somehow untethered and traveles through them on each death. Idk sounds far fetched
I dont know, dark souls is a straight story line, with patch inside, he wasnt in bloodborn, so elden ring might supposed to be in dark souls story line but dont know where, mayby before dark souls 1, because they are nothing about souls, only patche here
@@orangecobraEU he was in bloodborn though? Patches the spider?
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The night and flame sword is basically an op version of the twin princes fused great sword from ds3.
Lionel got the physic, but alexander the great pot got the spirit of the onion guy.
"Why is it always me" - Patches getting mentioned in the continuous timeline soulsborne theory
3:00 Actually I do think the moonlight greatsword appears in sekiro. Im talking about the seven-branched sword held by the divine dragon. It emits green/blue light and it also shoots these C-shaped projectiles. Given that this thing apparently was in almost all fromsoft's action games ever since kings field, also including armored core, I don't think this was just a coincidence.
I love that all the reused assets are written into lore to make them feel new
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The origin of the butcher lady was the unnamed meat cleaver phantom in 5-2, not miralda.
The way elden ring is a combination of mechanics from all the previous games just makes it clear that it was meant to be the ultimate from software game, kinda like "we put in everything that we couldn't before and did it even better this time"
Plus an open world
they didn't, I ironically had more fun with ds2 than I did with the horse running simulator that er is
3:33 isnt there a healing shield thats similair in the original ds2?
One thing i will mention is that the moonlight greatsword in Sekiro could be the one wielded by the Divine dragon. Its a stretch, sure, as it doesnt appear similair at all other than its glowing green hue, but its a likely candidate
The “mad eater Mildred archetype actually comes from the mysterious cannibal black phantom in the valley of defilement
the gargoyle duo feels more like a refference to the demon prince, both are a duo who switch agressivity and have the same poisonous ranged attacks
and the name of the developer, fromsoftware, is a reference to the developer of darksouls, fromsoftware
I would argue that great jar Alexander is the new onion night.
Cool vid hope to see more of this!
feels more like reused assets rather than references for most things
Another thing with Patches, before he opens shop after forgiving him, he says he'll be "ready to wheel and deal come next time", referencing DS2's Gavlan. "Gavlan wheel, Gavlan deal"
We encouter him another time, behind a rock and hiding in a bush, it was really hard to see him, i thought it was an ennemy but ut was patche, i dont know if someone know it, ane he push you like in souks games
It’s never realy confirmed but I always viewed the big blue green sword of the dragon in sekiro as the moonlight greatsword, you just sadly can’t use it
These were awesome!! Awkward tho because I thought the big things on top were the basilisks eyes 😂
0:51 There was also an enemy in DS3 who would teleport you to the Rotten Greatwood boss arena, and if you went there before fighting the boss you could also join a covenant.
The huge spiral stairs/tower in shunning grounds look exactly like the one in ringed city I almost forgot what game I was playing.
You missed the rare skeleton that drops an item that suggests it might be the Ashen One from DS3
the man is just our boyfriend villain who torments us
I’m sad the grass crest shield isn’t in Elden ring that was one of my favourite shields
Turtle Shield has the stamina regen of grass crest shield
Turtle shield, tree sentinel set, erdtree's favour, great jar's arsenal, glintstone sorcerer mask and a fire art zweihander.
*the legend never dies*
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Fleenstones?!
I didn’t even know the turtle shield existed but still I would of preferred the grass crest shield
I like to imagine the Soulsborne games take place in some screwed up multiverse and Patches is like the Deadpool of this multiverse and is just aware of everything
New Londo water draining and shadow keep water draining are basically the same cutscene so cool
The IRINA AND MORNE reference made me say: "WOW" out loud ;)
While Lionnel’s set does bear resemblance to the the Catalina knights, I find that Seigmeyer is much more closely represented in a Alexander whose story and character seems to share similarities too
you mean demons souls right?
because Patches is from Demon's Souls not Dark Souls
Patches in every universe and timeline: THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!
Honestly, not all similarities are references. Most of the time, it just comes down to Fromsoft being smart and reusing assets, such as the Fire Prelate resembling Smough, Asylum Demon skeleton across DS1, DS3, and Elden Ring. You didn't even mention the fact they retooled the large Lothric Foot Soldiers wielding halberds and great axes into skeleton enemies using the same weapons and movesets, and the Lothric Knight becoming the Banished Knight. If there is a similarity, you shouldn't think too much about it, because game devs need to be smart and not work from the ground up. They don't want you to go all Pixar theory, just because there are subtle overlaps. That's just their style of game and writing.
The community does this same thing with seeing almost every aspect of the games as some sort of reference to Berserk lol
Hit it right on the head lol. If they were supposed to be “references” they don’t really even make sense, as for example why would a random enemy in the mountaintops be a reference to smough, a very important boss in ds1? But if every asset was made from the ground up the game probably would have taken another year or two, so while I don’t exactly like it, it’s understandable
Also, many of the references don't make sense, lore-wise. For instance, what is the Daughter of Chaos doing in DS3 in that location, if she died in Blighttown/Demon's Ruins?
The Arch Trees appearing in every game reminds me of the line from BioShock Infinite "There's always a lighthouse, there's always a city." In every Fromsoft universe there are constants thst always exist.
In DS3, Vordt is basically maliketh just without the phase 2 stuff and does frostbite
I always asked myself what was the connection between Blackflame Friede and the Godskin Apostles. What I know is that I stumbled upon a fanart of Friede wearing a godskin mantle, which is badass.
There was also that enemy with the cage on its back in Dark Souls 2 I think?
3:39 These aren't a reference since these are just historical shields that got included in several games. They're called pavise shields
The crab! You forgot the crab! And the swamp level too
The Moonlight Greatsword kinda does appear in Sekiro, though the player can't use it, the Divine Dragon uses a jade-teal *glowing* sword that shoots out waves of attacks at the player.
I mean it's glowy, somewhat greenish blue, is a greatsword. It might not necessarily be of lunar origin or inspired but it fits the best in terms of a Moonlight Greatsword's description
I believe the dragons sword in Sekiro is meant to be a subtle reference to the moonlight great sword
Real question: which is a reference and which is From just reusing assets from previous games?
thanks! alof of things i missed on my playthroughs
Wait… how did I never realize the putrid avatar was the asylum demon.