@@alifeoncechris It'd probably be better if he wasn't going to the map all the time to see what the other people are doing. Of course, that makes the video worse... maybe they need to record the session on all the player's computers and edit it together with a voiceover afterwards? I'd be willing if I had the time or knew what I was doing with video editing software (although, for the basic "cut between streams and add an audio channel" kind of stuff it'd require, I don't think learning the software would be the hard part).
@@OtherTheDave it doesn’t bother me I was making more of a joke than anything. I think the videos are fantastic with the cuts into the map so we have sit awareness. it’s just part of cap that makes him cap.
@@OtherTheDave he's doing daily videos. This level of multi source editing is not going to happen. And he's usually pretty good (in flying and video making) despite the camera work. But he must have a second camera angle. You can tell in from action shots in videos without anybody talking. Also the whole thing allowed that glorious little kick at 25:30
Unrelated to the battle, but do you guys have any intention on modeling either of the in development U.S. missiles the peregrine or the cuda, it'd be interesting to see f-35s stuffed to the gills with those tiny little buggers
That "thing" that happened on the third round to Cap's plane is how a sonic boom looks. You get condensation forming in the pressure wave as you hit Mach 1
I still think DCS overmodels the Russian SAM systems in the game. Especially when it comes down to them shooting down like 90%+ of missiles like HARMs and ground hugging cruise missiles. When the US has used these types on weapons in actual combat very, very few of them have ever been shot down.
Chinese anti-missile system can already intercept ballistic missiles, for subsonic harpoon, what do you think. Believe it or not, look at the performance of the s300/s400 on the Ukrainian battlefield.
Cap, in the first round when Simba fired on the AWACS, wouldn't the AWACS immediately detect the missile, approximate location from where it was fired and notifiy you guys? That way you would know Simba was out over the water. Or is the simulator not set up that way?
The primary purpose of the j20 is to shoot down high value military assets. Even if you can spot missiles, it is very difficult to detect the location of the j20. Dog fights rarely happen in reality.
Awww you listened! Thank you are the best! Please can we have a larger mission, with mostly AI.. India playing point defense and China's mission to destroy a base, land based cruise missiles, airstrike. S 400 , keep everyone in mountains and let the better pilots win.. India would rely upon optical sensors and long range fox 2s.. All of India's fighter have long range fox 2.. Sukhoi, mig29s run latest version of R 27(bought in 2020), IR derbies as well, suppose to be pretty good.. rafales, mirage have mica IR.. big advantage in mountain air battle.. We do have a few not so covert foxbats in our inventory as well, if u wanna R37 awacs.. India game plan has always been mid range optic IR based fights..
wont change much imo. the ability to hide behind the mountains negates most of the missile advantages of both sides and it will go down to pilot skill. even then, the pl 15 has more range so it will be able to punish a mistake more effectively.
Now wait for the Indian Fans They will Explaine it to you that how there Su30 MKI with large RCs and There Rafael Which they brought from France are Better and Superior then F35 and J20 and J10s and from the whole World Airforces 😆😆😆
One thing i wanted to tell you guys and i Hope you already knew , that in an actual battle the chinese jets have a major major disadvantage of not being able to carry their full weapons load due to tibetian airbases being at a higher altitude than Indian Airbases and airbases at lower altitudes being far far awaymaking it almost impossible . So that might also be as much of a gamechanger in the scenario as the J-20 was in this one.
That's true in a way, but China can do aerial refueling, so they can reduce the amount of fuel during take off. On the other hand, Chinese aircraft have the advantage in altitude while India needs extra fuel to climb
That is not entirely correct, “Hot and High” is a real condition as you say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation. Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne. BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine. And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load. This is done all over the world, including in India.
@@kevinchan3176 “Hot and High” is a real condition as he say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation. Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne. BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine. And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load. This is done all over the world, including in India. You can also use extra long airstrips, rocket assist take off and refuelling, so not an issue.
Growling sidewinder's videos are easy to understand. M new to ths channel n din understand who's using which fighter coz They r calling by thr user names n nt fighters. N can't understand who shoots when n which missile so over all its difficult for a new person to understand what's happening here.
I am really shocked by the fact that chinese jet j20 so called stealth fighter jet😆 or else we can say robbed technology fighter jet can fly😂. Chinese are well known robbers😂
I have only one point: in reality, Chinese J20 & PL 15 is really up to the standards shown in the game? Also, J20 production rate & availability to fight indian airforce leaving eastern China defenseless is also impractical. Although, India needs to invest in 5th generation Fast
With the most conservative estimate, there are already 154 units of J-20 in Nov 2022. By the end of 2023, there will be at least 200 J-20. Just a squardon of J-20 can take care of all Indian airforce. Plus all J-20 can be easily deployed within a day in China.
@@easonhuang7117 Are you out of your mind, 1 Squadron!! 😂, Learn about Himalayan terrain & thn talk, they cant fly with full Payload from tibbet & Mountain terrains prevent long range interception. India is at a disadvantage but terrain helps India a lot!!
@@rgupta74211 maximum payload of J-20 is full internal fuel + 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 in weapon bay + 4 external fuel tanks with sacrifices stealth. Normal payload = full internal fuel + 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10. Which is well below its maximum capacity and can be operated in high altitude airports. 🥴🤌🇮🇳
I was just wondering if either Chinese aircraft and missiles have seen any battles?? Any credibility..so it's just a figment of imagination ..I'm not being biased but Indian Equipment and tech is battle tested..
having skirmishes with pakistan does not make "battle tested". The last major war India participated(kargil war) was fought 25 years ago, when their entire military is less modernized.
@@RookieCR7SIU most of the new equipment is battle tested by US , Israel, France , Uk, Russia( as they are imported).... Even most of the indigenous systems are exported bar Tejas... moreover both in Middle East and Ukraine are ammunitions being used... Also we did have skirmishes on the border everyday and we are keeping both China and Pakistan in check..so yes they are battle tested most of them...
@@noobs_unlimited majority of indian equipments are russain (i.e. su30, which makes up the builk of the Indian Airforce), and guess how russian variants fared in the ukraine war. Even if European doctrines are more effective, it means nothing without indigenous production (guess arjun is the only one you got).The only reason you are keeping the china and pakistan in check is that do body seeks war.
@@RookieCR7SIU again why are you so ignorant or try to be last Russian platform for airforce was su 30 which was I think 30 years ago ..what to say abt rafale, c130s, Apache, Chinook moreover there's is floating tender for new mmrca 116 fighters to be made in india with likes of f18, 15ex, f21 some American platforms....u forget brahmos, pinaka, dhruva they are all battle tested....( Govt will spend 8bn usd on updating su 30)
As far Pakistan and china are concerned 90000+ Pakistani soldiers surrendered most in the last 60 years( they still had better American equipment)....and for chinese little emperors we needed only sticks..
Rafale's RCS shouldn't be lower than 1 and should be very similar to the J-10. They're both 4/4.5 gen medium sized canard delta plane flying with full payload of missiles. 0.5 RCS would be something from a Su-57 with only internal payload, how ridiculous. Dunno why you even try to skew the match in favor of the indians, but that's just the reality of it.
@@anirbandutta6913 lol suddenly canard isn't a problem for rafale but a dealbreaker for j-20's stealth, so much so that it's now "comparable" to the Su-57 that has conventional wing and storing its missiles in the internal bay? You're delusional, simply put. 😅
@@CLS1507 the problem with su 57 is with the coating they used for the initial builds, now idk if they have improved them now. Also, exposed aft section of the engines, exposed fan blades in frontal view(which are a huge contributer to radio wave reflections all stealth planes hide the fan blades as much as possible), no ir shielding in the exhaust nozzles, overall large size and the actual composites used and the canopy lacking a radar absorbing oxide coating(the golden yellowish coating you see on the canopy glass of jets like f22, f35, j20, rafale and so on). Admittedly these all can be improved once they get enough funds for these, also a new engine is being developed with reduced ir signature and better ability to sipercruise. But for now, it considerably lacks in stealth, even when compared to some 4.5 gen planes. You gotta understand, there is a reason why india chickened out of the su57 program and no other country is interested in buying them. Now regarding the j20, I am not sure how much of a contributing factor the canards are, but more distinct control surfaces do infact increase the radar cross section(why b2 does not have a vertical stabiliser), yet no one can argue the fact that it is way, way stealthier than the Rafale, with it's rcs lying somewhere between 0.01m2 and 0.001 m2
@@CLS1507 to increase maximum stealth, you can either have a vertical stabelizer, or canards, but having both is naturally going to be hugely disadvantageous for a stealth fighter, thus why the fc30 has a standard layout, and why the ngad planes don't have a vertical stabelizer, while having canards
Both countries avoid air fighting over Himalayas cause rescue would be just mindboggling and impossible. China especially avoids it because their planes can't carry the kind of payloads you are simulating with. No fuel tanks, almost 50% drop in payload. so less teeth and less stamina. Dangerous in Himalayas.
@@grimreapers NASA has a term for this: "the Normalization of Degradation." Basically, you get used to ignoring alarms/danger signs which USUALLY don't mean anything. As a result, exactly the time you need to pay attention to them you're so used to ignoring them that they might as well not exist.
an india vs china scenario would need special landscape where the minimum altitude is around 3km to model the himalayas. that might make manoeuvring difficult. For extra challenge. model it so the minimum altitude is 7km to reflect the highest points of the himalayas.
In REAL world however, the Russians just need to wait for the LGBTQ agenda destroy those nations. Far cheaper and easier option since culture is the root of all nations.
Actually you need to bring the geography into the fight as Chinese Air Force can not take off their planes with full load due to the altitude issue. So they will have only 65-70% of their weapon load while taking off.
Nice battle !😎 Really quick question. I just noticed that the mod for J10C is actually a J10A and based on the antenmna and inlet config , it might be some early to mid blocks(before 08'). So For 10C, I can see you change the new AESA with pl15 capability, but the 10C also redisgn its inlet for blocking the blade signature and the body shape and material, so compare with A which has a RCS about 2.5, the C models reduce it to less than 1(around .8 or .7 I believe? ).
It shouldn't be less than 1 as the plane still carries many missiles, and they also have radar signatures (yes the 0.5 RCS used for rafale is also way too low). Nevertheless the stated 2.5 RCS for the J-10 is indeed quite an overshoot, especially when we consider the 5 RCS of Su-30 and the 0.5 for rafale used in the simulation.
The effect you are seeing around the aircraft is the visualisation of the transonic shock waves created by the cold dense air being compressed as you reach Mach 1 Cap. There are some photos of it online to compare it to. It's good modelling.
a naval battle would be a massacre. there is no ship for India or France currently in game that can match a type 50 or 45. also while at sea, there is no hard cover like mountains for Indian fighters to hide behind (if there are carriers involved) meaning that the chinese will have a turkey shoot with their longer range missiles. france might do a bit better cos they have naval f 35 fighters but still its gonna be hard cos nothing can match the type 50 as of now edit: France does not have any f35s, i was thinking about the british when i said that. but still, they have the rafale m which would still be able to put up a better fight than nay indian aircraft
@SHASHWAT SINGH this is why the @trap called the comments a dumpster fire. for goodness sake its VIDEO GAME!!!! whether or not china is better than india remans to be seen and that will depend on a whole host of factors. its not as clear cut as one thinks. all i know and care about is the public road in front of my house has not been repaired in 7 years and is a mess, not whether we beat china or not.
Is there any reason why you made the J-20 a low observable and not a true stealth fighter because as far as I am aware that is its only purpose not dogfighting or anything and every military analyst if seen doesnt doubt its capabilities
No modern digital RADAR return processing system relies on doppler effect to see targets any more - in other words you cannot notch a modern system - this simplistic processing was the only way to reduce clutter in the old analogue world. Even as far back as 1993 you couldn't notch Sea Harrier's Blue Vixen with its then sophisticated digital signal processing.
Lol. This comments section is going to become a dumpsterfire real quick. Waiting on the ultranationalist Indians to get here and comment about how they have some super weapons and the Rafale is the best aircraft of all time ever etc. Every country has its fair share of loons, but India has something special in the water.
we have a billion people. even if the number of loons we have are less than the global average, it will still be a dumpster fire. best ignore them and enjoy the video. after all its in good fun :)
Funny how you're crying more than they are lmao. Most of the time they're not wrong. I'm not even Indian and I can see many reasons why Indians would complain. Forget just DCS, they're so misrepresented almost everywhere, I see why they get pressed sometimes. Chinese aircraft like the J-10 and J-16 are incapable of operating with a full combat load over the Himalayas. They simply cannot take off with that load, whereas Indian aircraft like the Rafale, are specifically modded for high altitude ops. PL-15 is easily overpowered in game. It has 40nm more range than an AIM-120D, which is EXTREMELY hard to believe. I'm sure its range is much closer to 90nm, which they claim is on their export variant. And the J-20s RCS is bugged. 0.05m2 is a joke, I've not seen even the Chinese claim that lol. 'Expert' analysts have placed it anywhere between 0.08 and 0.3m2 head on. Any other angle and it's much worse than the Rafale.
@@gauravdey4163 Sure but apparently the Rafael is actually a better stealth fighter than the J20 and can simply teleport away from danger using the power of Modi Ji
You know is interesting that seeing 2nd tier Indian millitary power always trying to compare with us. I mean please try to figure out make your own toys instead of buying them from other daddies first.
Poorly informed scenario. Indian planes take off in the plains, with full load of fuel and armament, Chinese planes take off at 11,000 ft on the Tibetan Plateau, with no external fuel tanks, half the fuel and half the armament. Because of this, the Chinese avoid dogfight because they are already low on fuel and can barely reach the Indian border. All engagements will be either over Indian or Chinese territory. So whoever is fighting with AWACS support and ground based air defense cover wins. Likely to be the IAF. Because IAF can use about 30-35 airfields and the PLA has 5
As an Indian myself this is the most accurate representation of a fight between Indian and Chinese airforce will look like..And btw I know its not the plane its the pilot like Top gun Maverick but in reality the one with technologycal advantage always wins..Love your videos ❤
@@ALV694believe me there are a lot of viewers then commenters and most people don't care. We will see the reality rather than get hyped by simulation.
@@ALV694 why would he get hate? lol We dont have time for this bs hate, only the free time teenage kids will do this. And the Indian Patriots are not like they hate other countries just because they are patriotic towards their own. Stop projecting your insecurity on Indians
I am doing well thanks for asking.have you looked in to float plane for a place to upload your videos it’s owned by lmg and is supposed to be great I don’t really know how it works it’s just another place that you could upload
This was a very enjoyable battle. Had it just been the J-10Cs, Team India probably would've taken both rounds with a couple of losses but those J-20s were like total match breakers in this battle.
IRL ,India has only 36 rafales so it would have been like mostly Indian mig 21s vs 500 Chinese 🇨🇳 J10s India lacks in both quality and quantity vs plaaf
@@talhaabdullah285936 mig 21 are currently in service with 120 rafale purchase around the corner and indigenous tejas with 83+97 units ordered there would be significant improvement when the tejas mk2 and amca would join forces with the 2028 timeline also 500 j20 wont only be at india china has numerous enemies so at max 100 could be aimed at india while most would be toward south china sea
@@ALV694PLAAF has 100+J-20 "is the data from the beginning of mass production of J-20 in 2019. A spokesperson for the CN Ministry of National Defense claimed that 80+J-20 have been produced annually since 2019. The person in charge of Chengdu Aircraft Company stated that more than 450+J-20 have been produced so far. A person in charge of an air force base in Fujian Military Region revealed that there are currently more than 400 J-20 in service in the Chinese Air Force. CCTV revealed numbered photos indicating that the Chinese Air Force currently has 423 J-20 in service
@@talhaabdullah2859 India has 250 su30mki, 97 Tejas, also we'll order 120new jets, and ofcourse we have other like mig21, Miraj 2000 and jaguar why don't we talk about Pakistan? My Pakistani friend
@@stupidburp But given the shorter range of J-10s and shortage of airfields near the China-India border, the most likely opponent of IAF are flankers.
@@Kartik-ij2vy Use of composite materials and Ram along with diverterless intake could reduce rcs by some margin. J10 variants differ so much in their capabilities, j10c is 4+++ gen whereas j10a is just 4th gen.
@@Aamirmhmd99 cause if new engine and avionics ,but RCS hasn’t changed much ,even Super Sukhoi will be 4++ gen as compare to Sukhoi 30 Mki with new engine and radars but the RCS will be the same almost
@@Kartik-ij2vy I never said there's a huge difference, just much lower rcs than j10a. Diverterless intakes and radar absorbent materials could reduce RCS in j10b and j10c. Super Sukhoi will be 4++ gen, presently it's 4th gen. The whole project will be finished during the 2030s if everything goes well without delays but it mostly doesn't. By that time the tech will have moved on.
Cap had only Electro-optical lock so no radar guided will launch. Afaik hud says EORL or something when you have also a radarlock, atleast in the core game Flankers
One critique i have for you folks, and its not just this video, you guys always abandon your AWACS. Useful or not there are two dozen souls aboard that aircraft. There is absolutely no way any modern military would sacrafice HVAA for a 3 on 3 dog fight. Love the content yall keep it coming
Modern AWACS is overpowered. All China has to do is protect their AWACS with their stealth fighters and use their jets as missile trucks. India doesn’t have anything that can counter this strategy. India is pretty far outclassed here.
Su 30s are the backbone fighters of IAF which can Carry lot of payload and very agile in dogfights. Main point of this simulation was to show how a confrontation would have played out. And also Nobody has made mods of Tejas i guess.
Are you for real???? Su-30 MKI is more advanced than Tejas, particularly for BVR combat. Tejas is not very advanced, it's just late to the party and new. It has a weaker engine, so will have issues with high altitude and long range. Won't be any use in this scenario, and would be no match against J10 and J20. Rafale and Su30 are best options. Tejas is best suited for short range interception, and ground attack, and maybe dog fights against other 4th Gen fighters.
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The Rafale, Su-30MKI, J-10C and J-20 look pretty good but it's usually a combination of Numbers as well as Training and How Advanced the Equipment is. India: 36 Rafales (28 Single Seaters and 8 Twin Seaters) and 272 Su-30MKI's (with 12 more ordered). China: 180+ J-10C's and 208+ J-20's as of 2022. So China has the Advantage in Numbers and Technology for the Most Part so a War Between China and India would end up coming down to How much in terms of Military Aid India's Allies can Bring, the United States likely Shipping Further Supplies of Various Ordinance to India. This, however, can easily be Negated because of the Fact that PZMC (in China) is the World's Leading Manufacturer of the Ship-to-Shore Cranes that you see at the Harbours around the World. These Cranes arrive Ready to be Installed and have an Uplink which apparently can be used to Monitor What gets moved to Which part of the World and Because they're made in China, the Chinese Government can (and Almost Certainly will) punch in a Kill code and render every last Crane Inoperable or make them a Workplace Hazard. The FBI recently Boarded one of the Vessels used to Carry these Massive Cranes to the Harbor in the Chesapeake Bay while it was waiting for the Tide to come down far Enough that it could proceed under the Bay Bridge and made a Detailed Study of the Crane onboard. Thoughts on that anyone?
No thats not the case, you need to understand the geography of China first.. 80% of their assets are on Eastern side of China where 90% of Chinese population lives as the Tibet is uninhabitable cuz of its elevation nd weather nd leads to problems in transportation of logistics.. Also there main threats are 5000km away from Indian boarders like Taiwan, Japan, Usa, Korea, Philippines nd other south China sea countries..
There is also very limited no of Airports in Tibet cuz of elevation so that many aircraft can never be deployed.. They also face a bigger issue due to flying from higher altitude as aircraft can't carry optimul payload which also decrease the range cuz the performance of engines drop significantly.. While for India the Himalayas end there so there are less elevation nd flat plains starts nd there are 100s of airports, Delhi itself is like 600km from the border itself.. Nd all of India assets are on north cuz its surrounded by ocean on other 3 sides...
@@ajju2666 80% of their assets are in East because there is no war in the west, if war would start 80% would be in west… And Chinas logistic are by faar larger and better then India’s, they have better infrastructure in all aspects and way more assets dedicated to logistic. And in a war with India, India is the threat, not USA or Japan because non of them would start a war with China over a war with India, India is nOT an Allie of them and they do not starts war with nation like China for that sake. And an military airport are built in a few days, China are extremely good in that area, even a nation like India will build an airport in a week, China are experts, they are even faster. And I believe I answered you earlier over the altitude issue, if not, here is another answer. “Hot and High” is a real condition as you say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation. Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne. BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine. And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load. This is done all over the world, including in India. As an example, during the gulf war USA did this from Saudi Arabia, thousands of sorties in a week, in this conditions, with max load.
I wonder if there would be a remote GCI at a central base that would have AWACS data and data-link. You could have almost personalized SA coordinators for each aircraft in a theater, could yall try to simulate something like that?
"I didn't know how fast I was going"
*plane keeps screaming maximum speed*
cap needs better situational awareness
@@alifeoncechris It'd probably be better if he wasn't going to the map all the time to see what the other people are doing. Of course, that makes the video worse... maybe they need to record the session on all the player's computers and edit it together with a voiceover afterwards? I'd be willing if I had the time or knew what I was doing with video editing software (although, for the basic "cut between streams and add an audio channel" kind of stuff it'd require, I don't think learning the software would be the hard part).
@@OtherTheDave it doesn’t bother me I was making more of a joke than anything. I think the videos are fantastic with the cuts into the map so we have sit awareness. it’s just part of cap that makes him cap.
@@OtherTheDave he's doing daily videos. This level of multi source editing is not going to happen. And he's usually pretty good (in flying and video making) despite the camera work. But he must have a second camera angle. You can tell in from action shots in videos without anybody talking.
Also the whole thing allowed that glorious little kick at 25:30
The plane always says either max speed or over g when cap is flying it’s nothing new
Caucasus is a poor substitute for Himalayas which are a series of ranges separated by deep valleys
Unrelated to the battle, but do you guys have any intention on modeling either of the in development U.S. missiles the peregrine or the cuda, it'd be interesting to see f-35s stuffed to the gills with those tiny little buggers
Considering it.
“Fly the German just crashed because he’s a bloody idiot”😂😂😂😂
That "thing" that happened on the third round to Cap's plane is how a sonic boom looks. You get condensation forming in the pressure wave as you hit Mach 1
i’m pretty that the people who make videos about airplanes (although digital) for a living would know what a vapor cone is
Yeh but it looks weird though didn;t it?
To me it did.
@@grimreapers yup, very weird imo 🤔
I still think DCS overmodels the Russian SAM systems in the game. Especially when it comes down to them shooting down like 90%+ of missiles like HARMs and ground hugging cruise missiles. When the US has used these types on weapons in actual combat very, very few of them have ever been shot down.
Chinese anti-missile system can already intercept ballistic missiles, for subsonic harpoon, what do you think. Believe it or not, look at the performance of the s300/s400 on the Ukrainian battlefield.
And when did USA used them against modern Russian, or Chinese SAM systems? Answer is never.
@@MrCastodianyes
Love the after game commentary too :)
Bro these guys could join the Air Force no problem 😂
ON the Rafale HUD, what's the purple clock dial thing? Great job as always Cap!
Not sure.
@@grimreapers ..it changes the color of missile smoke 😂
That's death timer!
"not just a bunch of polygons flying around for entertainment...
Microprose: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED???
* enters comments, puts on helmet... *
Simba dodged a missile now? Dang.
This is j-10A, not j-10c
We've modded them up to J-10C standard with AESA radar and missiles.
j10A can't fire PL15
I am quite entertained, thank you ☺
Edit: ALL of you 😉
Cap, in the first round when Simba fired on the AWACS, wouldn't the AWACS immediately detect the missile, approximate location from where it was fired and notifiy you guys? That way you would know Simba was out over the water. Or is the simulator not set up that way?
yes BUT AWACS in game has basically zero intelligence. WOn;t even defend itself.
..think of the AWACS defense as the same as a Chinese Balloon
The primary purpose of the j20 is to shoot down high value military assets. Even if you can spot missiles, it is very difficult to detect the location of the j20. Dog fights rarely happen in reality.
My God
Was waiting for this for so long
It’s a great DAY!
Awww you listened! Thank you are the best!
Please can we have a larger mission, with mostly AI.. India playing point defense and China's mission to destroy a base, land based cruise missiles, airstrike. S 400 , keep everyone in mountains and let the better pilots win..
India would rely upon optical sensors and long range fox 2s.. All of India's fighter have long range fox 2.. Sukhoi, mig29s run latest version of R 27(bought in 2020), IR derbies as well, suppose to be pretty good.. rafales, mirage have mica IR.. big advantage in mountain air battle.. We do have a few not so covert foxbats in our inventory as well, if u wanna R37 awacs..
India game plan has always been mid range optic IR based fights..
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Look at you ‘doing a thing’ great job!
No no. Its more of j16 and j10 vs su mki and raphael
wont change much imo. the ability to hide behind the mountains negates most of the missile advantages of both sides and it will go down to pilot skill. even then, the pl 15 has more range so it will be able to punish a mistake more effectively.
thought pl15 was only for awacs because its not manueverable
Everyone get Simba or you dead lol.
Why Su30mki didn't have Astra?
Because astra mk1 is obsolete when compared with iderby er, aim120d
@@aurodeeproy997 I derby was giving only 55 miles range here which is less than Astra
@@direwolf7491 thats probably just derby. Iderby is dual pulse, its out of the astra, r77, sd10 league.
@@aurodeeproy997 yeah so astra would have been a better option here
@@direwolf7491 astra is a single pulse missile. Its obsolete in front of iderby er, aim120ds. Its like comparing 80s tech with 2000s tech.
We are not using Su30mki there , it would be our MiG29UPG s instead 😁
Rafale and MiG29s on Indian side.
I never add a comment but this time. I think it's time I've been asking. If germany can protect the fulda gap from Russia today
thx
So what you are saying is that ”we’re fucked”. Good to know, ggs.
Don't worry we got s400 and s500
Now wait for the Indian Fans They will Explaine it to you that how there Su30 MKI with large RCs and There Rafael Which they brought from France are Better and Superior then F35 and J20 and J10s and from the whole World Airforces 😆😆😆
Not su 30 but raffle has proved its combat lol😂😂 ur baap China technology isn’t battle proven at all
Where is your 10th generation cum spacecraft jf 17😅
Now look who😂 is saying a papistani😂😂😂
So which are the Indian fighters?
India uses Rafale and Su-30MKI.
@@grimreapers they use them but that doesn’t mean they are Indian planes.
@@MarkMiller304 I don’t believe India makes any planes themselves
@@MarkMiller304 you can still own something even if you didnt build
Great fight 👍
I want to See J10c In the DCS vs Rafael Match lols
I think mki have r77
Roger, in terms of performance legacy R-77 and DerbyER are pretty much even.
Tejas not invited to the party.. Sob.sob.😂
Where is the Astra Missile ?
He told that they had problems modeling it
Wow you guys barely above tree tops.
go fox 2 cap
One thing i wanted to tell you guys and i Hope you already knew , that in an actual battle the chinese jets have a major major disadvantage of not being able to carry their full weapons load due to tibetian airbases being at a higher altitude than Indian Airbases and airbases at lower altitudes being far far awaymaking it almost impossible . So that might also be as much of a gamechanger in the scenario as the J-20 was in this one.
That's true in a way, but China can do aerial refueling, so they can reduce the amount of fuel during take off. On the other hand, Chinese aircraft have the advantage in altitude while India needs extra fuel to climb
Crynese dont have anything just toys
That is not entirely correct, “Hot and High” is a real condition as you say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation.
Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne.
BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine.
And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load.
This is done all over the world, including in India.
@@kevinchan3176 “Hot and High” is a real condition as he say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation.
Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne.
BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine.
And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load.
This is done all over the world, including in India.
You can also use extra long airstrips, rocket assist take off and refuelling, so not an issue.
@@mrtrampoline3735 Indian planes are just toys too😅😅😅
How many working jets does India have? 🤡
Enough to deter a foreign invasion with limited counter offensive capabilities. Why do you ask?
@@aurodeeproy997 - "enough" hahha. Ok. 36 Rafales - lets hope any conflict with China is a very very short one. Russia already lost over 300
@@meihe9108 300 sukhoi 30 mki + 100 (mirage and mig 29)+ 100 Jaguar (obsolete but yes)+ 100 tejas
@@rishabhrai7552 - but half are grounded due to lack of spare parts and engine problems 🤡
@@KJ-tq3sm who said 😐
“Thank you come again” Apu 😂
Growling sidewinder's videos are easy to understand. M new to ths channel n din understand who's using which fighter coz They r calling by thr user names n nt fighters. N can't understand who shoots when n which missile so over all its difficult for a new person to understand what's happening here.
The Indians in the comments section seem to not believe this fact and are trying to find more successful disciplines.😂
I am really shocked by the fact that chinese jet j20 so called stealth fighter jet😆 or else we can say robbed technology fighter jet can fly😂. Chinese are well known robbers😂
I have only one point: in reality, Chinese J20 & PL 15 is really up to the standards shown in the game? Also, J20 production rate & availability to fight indian airforce leaving eastern China defenseless is also impractical. Although, India needs to invest in 5th generation Fast
Nah China can make the dam thing in numbers. If China can do anything well it’s that 😭.
With the most conservative estimate, there are already 154 units of J-20 in Nov 2022. By the end of 2023, there will be at least 200 J-20. Just a squardon of J-20 can take care of all Indian airforce. Plus all J-20 can be easily deployed within a day in China.
@@easonhuang7117 Are you out of your mind, 1 Squadron!! 😂, Learn about Himalayan terrain & thn talk, they cant fly with full Payload from tibbet & Mountain terrains prevent long range interception. India is at a disadvantage but terrain helps India a lot!!
@@jacobbrassard2776 Thats True!!
@@rgupta74211 maximum payload of J-20 is full internal fuel + 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 in weapon bay + 4 external fuel tanks with sacrifices stealth.
Normal payload = full internal fuel + 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10. Which is well below its maximum capacity and can be operated in high altitude airports. 🥴🤌🇮🇳
Please do a video on U. S. hypersonic missiles. Thanks a lot. B. T. W. big fan of your content. It’s a pleasure to watch these.
US doesn’t have those yet 😞
@@dexlab7539 contract has been given to Lockheed. Expected to be deployed this year. Made by both Lockheed Martin and D. A. R. P. A.
They keep failing in testing apparently
I was just wondering if either Chinese aircraft and missiles have seen any battles?? Any credibility..so it's just a figment of imagination ..I'm not being biased but Indian Equipment and tech is battle tested..
having skirmishes with pakistan does not make "battle tested". The last major war India participated(kargil war) was fought 25 years ago, when their entire military is less modernized.
@@RookieCR7SIU most of the new equipment is battle tested by US , Israel, France , Uk, Russia( as they are imported).... Even most of the indigenous systems are exported bar Tejas... moreover both in Middle East and Ukraine are ammunitions being used... Also we did have skirmishes on the border everyday and we are keeping both China and Pakistan in check..so yes they are battle tested most of them...
@@noobs_unlimited majority of indian equipments are russain (i.e. su30, which makes up the builk of the Indian Airforce), and guess how russian variants fared in the ukraine war. Even if European doctrines are more effective, it means nothing without indigenous production (guess arjun is the only one you got).The only reason you are keeping the china and pakistan in check is that do body seeks war.
@@RookieCR7SIU again why are you so ignorant or try to be last Russian platform for airforce was su 30 which was I think 30 years ago ..what to say abt rafale, c130s, Apache, Chinook moreover there's is floating tender for new mmrca 116 fighters to be made in india with likes of f18, 15ex, f21 some American platforms....u forget brahmos, pinaka, dhruva they are all battle tested....( Govt will spend 8bn usd on updating su 30)
As far Pakistan and china are concerned 90000+ Pakistani soldiers surrendered most in the last 60 years( they still had better American equipment)....and for chinese little emperors we needed only sticks..
for anyone wondering i was actually first to comment just go to newest and scroll all the way down 🤓
no one cares bruv
bro was flabbergasted that he couldn’t tell it was a joke
@@Ishawn.Ramaaj it isn't funny
@@samham2843 maybe not to you but then again you probably have a terrible sense of humor.
@@Ishawn.Ramaaj says you,bro thinks that he is funny with these crappy jokes,lmao
J-20 Flacid Dragon
Flaccid Dragon Killed everyone
Rafale's RCS shouldn't be lower than 1 and should be very similar to the J-10. They're both 4/4.5 gen medium sized canard delta plane flying with full payload of missiles. 0.5 RCS would be something from a Su-57 with only internal payload, how ridiculous.
Dunno why you even try to skew the match in favor of the indians, but that's just the reality of it.
Rafale was actually designed with some considerable stealth in mind, and believe it or not it has rcs very very comparable to the su 57
@@anirbandutta6913 lol suddenly canard isn't a problem for rafale but a dealbreaker for j-20's stealth, so much so that it's now "comparable" to the Su-57 that has conventional wing and storing its missiles in the internal bay?
You're delusional, simply put. 😅
@@CLS1507 the problem with su 57 is with the coating they used for the initial builds, now idk if they have improved them now. Also, exposed aft section of the engines, exposed fan blades in frontal view(which are a huge contributer to radio wave reflections all stealth planes hide the fan blades as much as possible), no ir shielding in the exhaust nozzles, overall large size and the actual composites used and the canopy lacking a radar absorbing oxide coating(the golden yellowish coating you see on the canopy glass of jets like f22, f35, j20, rafale and so on). Admittedly these all can be improved once they get enough funds for these, also a new engine is being developed with reduced ir signature and better ability to sipercruise. But for now, it considerably lacks in stealth, even when compared to some 4.5 gen planes. You gotta understand, there is a reason why india chickened out of the su57 program and no other country is interested in buying them. Now regarding the j20, I am not sure how much of a contributing factor the canards are, but more distinct control surfaces do infact increase the radar cross section(why b2 does not have a vertical stabiliser), yet no one can argue the fact that it is way, way stealthier than the Rafale, with it's rcs lying somewhere between 0.01m2 and 0.001 m2
@@CLS1507 to increase maximum stealth, you can either have a vertical stabelizer, or canards, but having both is naturally going to be hugely disadvantageous for a stealth fighter, thus why the fc30 has a standard layout, and why the ngad planes don't have a vertical stabelizer, while having canards
@@CLS1507have you seen the size of j-20 canards. The rafale has an rcs between 0.5-1 sqm. The j-10 has an rcs of 1-3sqm rcs.
Both countries avoid air fighting over Himalayas cause rescue would be just mindboggling and impossible. China especially avoids it because their planes can't carry the kind of payloads you are simulating with. No fuel tanks, almost 50% drop in payload. so less teeth and less stamina. Dangerous in Himalayas.
Watching Cap's maneuvering issue, though you couldn't hear the wind, the plane was screaming "Maximum speed" the whole time.
Yea but most jets in dcs can lose airspeed fast from 1200 to 300 in sub 30 seconds
Roger, over the last few years I've learned to judge everything by cockpit noise and ignore that shouty cockpit woman :(
@@grimreapers …Cap you need to mod it to Male Voice 😂
@@grimreapers NASA has a term for this: "the Normalization of Degradation."
Basically, you get used to ignoring alarms/danger signs which USUALLY don't mean anything. As a result, exactly the time you need to pay attention to them you're so used to ignoring them that they might as well not exist.
@@grimreapersif that women voice was my alarm clock. I'll always late for work.
an india vs china scenario would need special landscape where the minimum altitude is around 3km to model the himalayas. that might make manoeuvring difficult.
For extra challenge. model it so the minimum altitude is 7km to reflect the highest points of the himalayas.
No it won't
the Indians in the comments have been summoned!
😄
Absolutely rabid and absolutely everywhere. It's insane.
@@humpfree999 what you expect us to do when there are 1.4 billion people
@@harshyadav3644 go to comments of military videos and post an angry comment (or a supportive comment, depending on the video)
Corner store ⛳
First fight, short range didn’t lock because you were still set to Meteor. Not the short range IR.
I've just spent £ 2000 to play dcs in vr because of you guys , and the wife is doing a thing with my golf clubs.
What did you get?
Well, it better be worth it then 🤏
😂😂
She is smashing up your new PC with clubs???!
@@grimreapers the chocolatey biscuits?
Could you do a defense of gotland video where sweden and possibly finland tries to defend against russian navy and airforce?
I second this
In REAL world however, the Russians just need to wait for the LGBTQ agenda destroy those nations. Far cheaper and easier option since culture is the root of all nations.
Actually you need to bring the geography into the fight as Chinese Air Force can not take off their planes with full load due to the altitude issue. So they will have only 65-70% of their weapon load while taking off.
The cows go nuts.....!!!!!!!
@@lengthao8424 get some dog food for your hungry ass . and dog is not the food
Nice battle !😎
Really quick question. I just noticed that the mod for J10C is actually a J10A and based on the antenmna and inlet config , it might be some early to mid blocks(before 08').
So For 10C, I can see you change the new AESA with pl15 capability, but the 10C also redisgn its inlet for blocking the blade signature and the body shape and material, so compare with A which has a RCS about 2.5, the C models reduce it to less than 1(around .8 or .7 I believe? ).
Also the J10C has thrust vectoring, so it turns quicker as well in theory
It shouldn't be less than 1 as the plane still carries many missiles, and they also have radar signatures (yes the 0.5 RCS used for rafale is also way too low). Nevertheless the stated 2.5 RCS for the J-10 is indeed quite an overshoot, especially when we consider the 5 RCS of Su-30 and the 0.5 for rafale used in the simulation.
@@stefano9493 It is present on a technological demonstrator for the J-10B, but the PLAAF decided against having Thrust-Vectoring for the J-10C
The effect you are seeing around the aircraft is the visualisation of the transonic shock waves created by the cold dense air being compressed as you reach Mach 1 Cap. There are some photos of it online to compare it to. It's good modelling.
A navel battle between France and India or China vs India would be a cool video I think.
a naval battle would be a massacre. there is no ship for India or France currently in game that can match a type 50 or 45. also while at sea, there is no hard cover like mountains for Indian fighters to hide behind (if there are carriers involved) meaning that the chinese will have a turkey shoot with their longer range missiles.
france might do a bit better cos they have naval f 35 fighters but still its gonna be hard cos nothing can match the type 50 as of now
edit: France does not have any f35s, i was thinking about the british when i said that. but still, they have the rafale m which would still be able to put up a better fight than nay indian aircraft
@SHASHWAT SINGH this is why the @trap called the comments a dumpster fire. for goodness sake its VIDEO GAME!!!! whether or not china is better than india remans to be seen and that will depend on a whole host of factors. its not as clear cut as one thinks.
all i know and care about is the public road in front of my house has not been repaired in 7 years and is a mess, not whether we beat china or not.
@SHASHWAT SINGH dude he meant massacre for India. 🤦🏻♂️
@@johnbenoy7532 I don’t think French have the F-35…
@SHASHWAT SINGH B. J. P.
I. T. Cell. How much do they pay you man, Rs. 1000/day or are you with the super150. 🤡
Is there any reason why you made the J-20 a low observable and not a true stealth fighter because as far as I am aware that is its only purpose not dogfighting or anything and every military analyst if seen doesnt doubt its capabilities
the rcs of J20 is about 3.5 times bigger than F35A in X band radar
@@minitaco3367 how do you know?
@@linusrunge2678 search up aircraft 101, they simulated and compared the RCS of each 5th gen jets. i somehow cant paste the link in the comment.
@@linusrunge2678 there is also another Australian guy wrote an article about the RCS of J20, i believe hes name is Cooper
They don't. There's no way to accurately model stealth characteristics without some classified info from PLAAF
Flashing LA was launch authorised had you fired it earlier u wouldn’t had to merger
No modern digital RADAR return processing system relies on doppler effect to see targets any more - in other words you cannot notch a modern system - this simplistic processing was the only way to reduce clutter in the old analogue world. Even as far back as 1993 you couldn't notch Sea Harrier's Blue Vixen with its then sophisticated digital signal processing.
The j20 capabilities are way inaccurate 0.5 detection my foot
Enjoying the cockpit views Rafale not bad!
Lol. This comments section is going to become a dumpsterfire real quick. Waiting on the ultranationalist Indians to get here and comment about how they have some super weapons and the Rafale is the best aircraft of all time ever etc.
Every country has its fair share of loons, but India has something special in the water.
we have a billion people. even if the number of loons we have are less than the global average, it will still be a dumpster fire. best ignore them and enjoy the video. after all its in good fun :)
Funny how you're crying more than they are lmao. Most of the time they're not wrong. I'm not even Indian and I can see many reasons why Indians would complain. Forget just DCS, they're so misrepresented almost everywhere, I see why they get pressed sometimes.
Chinese aircraft like the J-10 and J-16 are incapable of operating with a full combat load over the Himalayas. They simply cannot take off with that load, whereas Indian aircraft like the Rafale, are specifically modded for high altitude ops.
PL-15 is easily overpowered in game. It has 40nm more range than an AIM-120D, which is EXTREMELY hard to believe. I'm sure its range is much closer to 90nm, which they claim is on their export variant.
And the J-20s RCS is bugged. 0.05m2 is a joke, I've not seen even the Chinese claim that lol. 'Expert' analysts have placed it anywhere between 0.08 and 0.3m2 head on. Any other angle and it's much worse than the Rafale.
We never said we have the best weapons
@@gauravdey4163 Sure but apparently the Rafael is actually a better stealth fighter than the J20 and can simply teleport away from danger using the power of Modi Ji
@@timmyhoward6638 bruh you seems real mad!
You know is interesting that seeing 2nd tier Indian millitary power always trying to compare with us. I mean please try to figure out make your own toys instead of buying them from other daddies first.
India mostly uses modernized mig 29, rafale and Mirage in Himalayas against china
That solid fueled ducted ramjet on the meteor will sustain energy until the kill, unlike the PL-15.
Poorly informed scenario. Indian planes take off in the plains, with full load of fuel and armament, Chinese planes take off at 11,000 ft on the Tibetan Plateau, with no external fuel tanks, half the fuel and half the armament.
Because of this, the Chinese avoid dogfight because they are already low on fuel and can barely reach the Indian border. All engagements will be either over Indian or Chinese territory. So whoever is fighting with AWACS support and ground based air defense cover wins. Likely to be the IAF. Because IAF can use about 30-35 airfields and the PLA has 5
J20 was detected by su30mki around 30-35 nmiles away in 2018
If yiu have used Astra MK II for SU 30MKI then it might have been the different case.
As an Indian myself this is the most accurate representation of a fight between Indian and Chinese airforce will look like..And btw I know its not the plane its the pilot like Top gun Maverick but in reality the one with technologycal advantage always wins..Love your videos ❤
I am surprised you are not getting hate from your fellow compatriots
Because we no he/she is a Chinese stooge
@@ALV694believe me there are a lot of viewers then commenters and most people don't care. We will see the reality rather than get hyped by simulation.
@@ALV694 why would he get hate? lol We dont have time for this bs hate, only the free time teenage kids will do this. And the Indian Patriots are not like they hate other countries just because they are patriotic towards their own. Stop projecting your insecurity on Indians
I am doing well thanks for asking.have you looked in to float plane for a place to upload your videos it’s owned by lmg and is supposed to be great I don’t really know how it works it’s just another place that you could upload
Just resubscribed to you because youtube decided i shouldn't be.
Yes it does that doesn't it...
I think you guys are biased because of politics. How about playing against Chinese players? Are you scared? You talk too much.
You FORGOT an essential factor in favor of Bharat >>>>>>> S - 4 !!!
What bullshit.
This is a computer game, and thats all it is.
Wasted my time watching this.
This was a very enjoyable battle.
Had it just been the J-10Cs, Team India probably would've taken both rounds with a couple of losses but those J-20s were like total match breakers in this battle.
IRL ,India has only 36 rafales so it would have been like mostly Indian mig 21s vs 500 Chinese 🇨🇳 J10s India lacks in both quality and quantity vs plaaf
@@talhaabdullah285936 mig 21 are currently in service with 120 rafale purchase around the corner and indigenous tejas with 83+97 units ordered there would be significant improvement when the tejas mk2 and amca would join forces with the 2028 timeline also 500 j20 wont only be at india china has numerous enemies so at max 100 could be aimed at india while most would be toward south china sea
@@talhaabdullah2859 plus plaaf now has 100+ j20s
@@ALV694PLAAF has 100+J-20 "is the data from the beginning of mass production of J-20 in 2019. A spokesperson for the CN Ministry of National Defense claimed that 80+J-20 have been produced annually since 2019. The person in charge of Chengdu Aircraft Company stated that more than 450+J-20 have been produced so far. A person in charge of an air force base in Fujian Military Region revealed that there are currently more than 400 J-20 in service in the Chinese Air Force. CCTV revealed numbered photos indicating that the Chinese Air Force currently has 423 J-20 in service
@@talhaabdullah2859 India has 250 su30mki, 97 Tejas, also we'll order 120new jets, and ofcourse we have other like mig21, Miraj 2000 and jaguar
why don't we talk about Pakistan? My Pakistani friend
For the sake of fairness, or lack there of, I think China should had J-16 instead of J-10C.
Should have large numbers of both. Flanker variants and J-10 variants are their most numerous fighters in service.
@@stupidburp you are right, although IRL, there is more J16 and J11B deployed near india than J10 variants.
@@stupidburp But given the shorter range of J-10s and shortage of airfields near the China-India border, the most likely opponent of IAF are flankers.
J10c shown here is probably j10a. J10c must have much lower rcs and much more capable than j10a.
lol both j10a and j10c have Same RCS ,they have the same airframe with upgrades in engines
@@Kartik-ij2vy Use of composite materials and Ram along with diverterless intake could reduce rcs by some margin. J10 variants differ so much in their capabilities, j10c is 4+++ gen whereas j10a is just 4th gen.
@@Aamirmhmd99 that’s why I said There’s not much difference in RCS
@@Aamirmhmd99 cause if new engine and avionics ,but RCS hasn’t changed much ,even Super Sukhoi will be 4++ gen as compare to Sukhoi 30 Mki with new engine and radars but the RCS will be the same almost
@@Kartik-ij2vy I never said there's a huge difference, just much lower rcs than j10a. Diverterless intakes and radar absorbent materials could reduce RCS in j10b and j10c.
Super Sukhoi will be 4++ gen, presently it's 4th gen. The whole project will be finished during the 2030s if everything goes well without delays but it mostly doesn't. By that time the tech will have moved on.
J 10c best
Cap had only Electro-optical lock so no radar guided will launch. Afaik hud says EORL or something when you have also a radarlock, atleast in the core game Flankers
Yeh looks like that what happened.
Su 30 & 34 my favorite jets/bomber 🎉
India vs China => time to buy a lot of chips and beer.
Yes, but does India have any full stealth planes in service?
@@dexlab7539amca & amca mkii
One critique i have for you folks, and its not just this video, you guys always abandon your AWACS. Useful or not there are two dozen souls aboard that aircraft. There is absolutely no way any modern military would sacrafice HVAA for a 3 on 3 dog fight. Love the content yall keep it coming
That’s because protecting the AWACS is VERY BORING to watch for us viewers
Meteor range 110 km😂. Now we know conclusion
Shouldn't force feedback help with judging speed when turning, or don't you use a stick with ffb?
Most sticks don’t have it
@@Utubesuperstar witch is a bs market, since that was a good feature at just above the monetary entry point. Unlike the 200 $+ ones of today.
很遺憾沒有考慮到中國目前在喜馬拉雅地區大量裝備的KJ500預警機，實際情況是J10c只需要發射導彈，之後就可以撤離交戰空域，由預警機負責引導導彈攻擊目標，今年KJ3000也將裝備在此地區。
放P，KJ3000是什么鬼？
Modern AWACS is overpowered. All China has to do is protect their AWACS with their stealth fighters and use their jets as missile trucks. India doesn’t have anything that can counter this strategy. India is pretty far outclassed here.
@@hamstermomoco 空警3000，原型機已經在飛了，可以自行尋找試飛照，運20機身，共形天綫。
@@damainhe9653 如果你停止泄露信息给印度人的话,我考虑给你点个赞.
@@damainhe9653 删了
It should have been Tejas instead of Su-30s. Then it would have properly been fight between the deltas. Instead it was fight between the canards.😋
Su 30s are the backbone fighters of IAF which can Carry lot of payload and very agile in dogfights. Main point of this simulation was to show how a confrontation would have played out. And also Nobody has made mods of Tejas i guess.
Are you for real???? Su-30 MKI is more advanced than Tejas, particularly for BVR combat. Tejas is not very advanced, it's just late to the party and new. It has a weaker engine, so will have issues with high altitude and long range. Won't be any use in this scenario, and would be no match against J10 and J20. Rafale and Su30 are best options. Tejas is best suited for short range interception, and ground attack, and maybe dog fights against other 4th Gen fighters.
@@daakudaddy5453 Did you even read my comment???
"Fly" sounds like a young Dr. Strangelove
I love Fly’s voice - German accent are awesome - plus he’s critical of German planes too 😂
Loved the video @Grim Reapers! Can't wait for the next video man! The Rafale, Su-30MKI, J-10C and J-20 look pretty good but it's usually a combination of Numbers as well as Training and How Advanced the Equipment is.
India: 36 Rafales (28 Single Seaters and 8 Twin Seaters) and 272 Su-30MKI's (with 12 more ordered).
China: 180+ J-10C's and 208+ J-20's as of 2022.
So China has the Advantage in Numbers and Technology for the Most Part so a War Between China and India would end up coming down to How much in terms of Military Aid India's Allies can Bring, the United States likely Shipping Further Supplies of Various Ordinance to India. This, however, can easily be Negated because of the Fact that PZMC (in China) is the World's Leading Manufacturer of the Ship-to-Shore Cranes that you see at the Harbours around the World. These Cranes arrive Ready to be Installed and have an Uplink which apparently can be used to Monitor What gets moved to Which part of the World and Because they're made in China, the Chinese Government can (and Almost Certainly will) punch in a Kill code and render every last Crane Inoperable or make them a Workplace Hazard. The FBI recently Boarded one of the Vessels used to Carry these Massive Cranes to the Harbor in the Chesapeake Bay while it was waiting for the Tide to come down far Enough that it could proceed under the Bay Bridge and made a Detailed Study of the Crane onboard.
Thoughts on that anyone?
No thats not the case, you need to understand the geography of China first..
80% of their assets are on Eastern side of China where 90% of Chinese population lives as the Tibet is uninhabitable cuz of its elevation nd weather nd leads to problems in transportation of logistics..
Also there main threats are 5000km away from Indian boarders like Taiwan, Japan, Usa, Korea, Philippines nd other south China sea countries..
There is also very limited no of Airports in Tibet cuz of elevation so that many aircraft can never be deployed..
They also face a bigger issue due to flying from higher altitude as aircraft can't carry optimul payload which also decrease the range cuz the performance of engines drop significantly..
While for India the Himalayas end there so there are less elevation nd flat plains starts nd there are 100s of airports, Delhi itself is like 600km from the border itself..
Nd all of India assets are on north cuz its surrounded by ocean on other 3 sides...
@@ajju2666 Yup you are about right.
Forget ballistic missiles, if there is a real war, China's 500 km range rockets are cheap and useful, the air force is just clearing the battlefield.
@@ajju2666 80% of their assets are in East because there is no war in the west, if war would start 80% would be in west…
And Chinas logistic are by faar larger and better then India’s, they have better infrastructure in all aspects and way more assets dedicated to logistic.
And in a war with India, India is the threat, not USA or Japan because non of them would start a war with China over a war with India, India is nOT an Allie of them and they do not starts war with nation like China for that sake.
And an military airport are built in a few days, China are extremely good in that area, even a nation like India will build an airport in a week, China are experts, they are even faster.
And I believe I answered you earlier over the altitude issue, if not, here is another answer.
“Hot and High” is a real condition as you say, It’s a condition of low air density due to high ambient temperature and high airport elevation.
Air density decreases with increasing temperature and altitude. The lower air density reduces the power output from the aircraft's engine and also requires a higher true airspeed before the aircraft can become airborne.
BUT, it’s not an issue for military fighters, in order to neglect this condition you Inject distilled water into the engine compressor or combustor. The primary purpose of water injection into jet engines is to increase the mass being accelerated, thereby increasing the force created by the engine.
And by doing that you can take off with full weapon and fuel load.
This is done all over the world, including in India.
As an example, during the gulf war USA did this from Saudi Arabia, thousands of sorties in a week, in this conditions, with max load.
J-10C's RCS should be better than Rafale
J20 & J10 unknown Chinese guy. Wow. 😂😂😂
Himalayas 💔 himallyaa❤️🩹
How do i get that scoreboard in the top right of your screen?
It's a private GR mod, sorry.
Great fight. I would like to see how other jet fighters would do in this region
Interesting concept
Indian can not stand against mighty Chinese Pla army
Too many chief. Not enough Indians.
Not enough live Indians in the end
I wonder if there would be a remote GCI at a central base that would have AWACS data and data-link. You could have almost personalized SA coordinators for each aircraft in a theater, could yall try to simulate something like that?
Let's see Israel support India and Pakistan support China for a more diverse and kick ass future battles!👍
In this Battle Israel is already supporting you guys!
@@arslanarshadali2878 lol you guys, I just want to see more diverse battles👌👍
Great video (as always) 😊
What came to my mind .. is Chaff / Window / Confetti not used anymore to distract / fool radar?
Matrix always assuming the calling out of enemy movement is strangely assuring.
If not a bit overkill imo…a bit too much chatter