Never do unweighted drops? I do them all the time. I love them. They are fun, make a small drop bigger, keeps my weight centered, gives me the push forward plan B if miscalculating speed. I don't jump straight up like you demonstrate unless I do it for height, I more absorb the weight, I will continue to do my drops like this because the are fun and safe. "Never" is a pretty negative and inflexible term for any maneuver. There is always more than one way to hit drops. Almost all my drops are to flat between 2-4 feet and half of them are to pavement.
Totally agree. When you wanna go big and get extra distance to send a big drop or clear a gap/double, popping off the bike and unweighting works great and is super fun.. Also, the risk of your back tire not clearing the edge of the drop is so low because you can easily judge whether you're going fast enough to clear it. In fact, you'd have to be going so slow in order for that to happen in the first place that you would still be going OTB even if you just used the standard push technique.
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I go by the maxim that keep your wheels on the ground as much as possible. Brining them off always introduces movements etc that can throw off balance, angles etc Of course its a matter of weighing risk vs reward and air time can absolutely reduce risk in some situations.
One thing you seem to not mention enough IMHO, on your first correct method, is that rolling the the front wheel has a risk of getting your pedals/front sprocket/emtb motor, stuck at the edge, also sending you over the bars. If the drop is known to you, no problem, but on an unknown trail, and taking into account your sag, it's not possible to judge how deep it is and if you could roll it. So my instructor said to always push the bars away to counter act on the gravity getting to your front wheel first. Especially on rocky terrain, I found it out the wrong way :D
Emma Long trail in Austin, Tx is a 5 mile loop motorcycle designed trail with steep drops including doubles and ledges and punchy climbs. A perfect place to dial in your drop technic.
These drop videos are great. I'm hoping you continue the series with natural drops that slope downward, slope downward to flat landing, slope upward, are off-camber, etc.
You missed another method (that I did one of my last videos on).. A BUMP. (As simple as that... and it can be done at any speed above jogging speed... and the landing may be the most comfortable one you have ever had). Look at the landing at 8:47 from the push... The landing is REAR wheel 1st which is NOT optimal. A Neutral or slightly FRONT wheel landing is safer as you are not loading up the front wheel as much on the exit. (My background was motorcross bikes on trail rides.. I wasn't a racer but liked jumpin things so I noted after breaking 1/4 of my front spokes on a day of jumping a 30ft to flat.. and my mate on the same day breaking his rear spokes from landing it on 45deg rear 1st, that I needed to check out where I was wrong.. and noted motorcross bikes doing 20ft high, 50ft tabletops.. were landing front wheel 1st.. which for me was scary.. until I started doing it on purpose... Roll forward to me taking up DH riding (ok I'm an old starter and fairly mediocre... but I found at speed and slower... instead of pushing out and landing rear wheel, only to have the front come down and load up the forks on what often was the exit where a turn may be needed, and loaded forks and a turn end in hilarity... I found the easy solution... do NOTHING on little drops... (In fact dropping your body into the drop then pushing the front DOWN over the lip so the front gets back on the ground as quick as possible) gave really great control for me (Obviously on drops smaller than your bottom bracket clearance. but for other jumps.. (on my video I show 1m flat to roll down and 1m flat to flat... all I do is load the front forks just before the lip, with a bump (sharp press down)... You natrualy tend to load the bottom crank sometimes, but with the bigger load on the forks, as you run off the lip the forks are rebounding, and bring the front back to level... and keep the front level as your rear approaches the lip, but the front then starts to drop to match the runoff, and the rear leaves and begins to drop... and the bike does a slow arc landing flat or slightly nose 1st... but the rear then lands taking the load off the front so your more neutral balanced for that turn (or object avoidance) that leapt out at you after the drop... Sounds complicated... but in practice.. it is SO EASY... Almost no thought... just pump before the lip so you hit the bottom of what ever load you gave the forks before the middle of the front tyre crosses the lip of the drop.... Man this was far easier to just show in my video. Just be wary.. TOO MUCH push on those push out drops, and you push the rear wheel down as you move back forward, land on that back wheel, and you load the front... fine if the drop is a beautiful sculpted smooth well maintained park... but after 20 noobs roll it with their brakes on that landing zone and exit is going to be anything but perfect. Again I'm not a racer... But at 50+ I need all the control on landing a drop I can get.
The drops I find tricky are those where there is a rooty turn into a narrow gully with a drop of say around 18 inches/ 2 foot, a short flatter section of say around 4 foot (just about the length of bike's wheelbase) and then another drop of 18 inches/2 foot.... all in a narrow gulley.... I just try and roll these but find them tricky.
Funny I was just at Mountain Creek. There is a drop that has a blind entrance left turn onto a skinny/platform for the drop. It’s an abnormally slow entrance. The first time I cased it. The second time I added a pop of the end and it was perfect. Never say never there is a feature out there that will prove your advice wrong
I thought the same, but thats the way they learn IT on bike instructor course and a speed drop(race technique ) when you push bike to the ground over the edge.
good demo. a very subtle j-hop or just a push is the way to go. no need to add more height when you're trying to drop down. also hundreds or reps on easy drops is a good idea.
I see kids at the bike park and elsewhere around here using that 2 wheel lift to drop. Definitely scary and much harder to execute. A really bad execution of this 2 wheel lift at height is frigging dangerous.
What if the drop is just like the last one, but there is a little bit of a lip right at the end? I’m always scared my back wheel is going to get hung up on that. Thx man, loving the videos.
Dude I just got out the hospital, i didnt break anything. I appreciate you making the video. Although I got hurt doing this, I was able to successfully do it the first few times, until I made an error and the rear wheel caught on the lip on this drop i was practicing on, and flung me over my bike. My ebike is heavy, especially in the front due to the 1kw battery and a heavy 160nm motor. Could this massive weight in the front of my bike contribute to making this riding technique more challenging?
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Sorry but I disagree with your techniques. I don’t like your straight armed, jerking back technique. I recommend staying forward, crouch down, then let the bike drop below you as you extend your legs and arms to get the wheels on the ground and effectively extend your suspension. I relate this technique to a person walking up to and dropping off of a loading dock. If you stand fully upright then walk forwards and off the dock, your body weight will be higher and fall further resulting in harder impact. By crouching as low as possible while you walk forwards then quickly extend your legs as you leave the edge you’ll lower your effective weight and also be extending your legs suspension. By having your butt back extremely far and your arms fully extended, you are hanging off the bike and not “leading the bike”. I would recommend a more centered position and the saddle dropped as low as possible of course. The worst is when guys pull the front end up aggressively off drops, which makes the drop effectively higher and typically results in poor body position and an extremely harsh slap down landing. Try drops with a rigid bike to best instill the most efficient techniques before moving on to bigger stuff.
@@timparker533 well in the video I cover 2 different correct methods in this video and and some not correct. Unless you’re purely relying in speed which I never would recommend to anyone that is not a seasoned skilled rider and you can’t rely on speed for every drop, you will have to unweight the front of the bike. Now if you’re not needing to clear any gap the “push or shove” is recommended. As it in weights the front of the bike as you leave the edge but not unweighting the bike completely, then as your rear wheel leaves yes the bike will fall under you. Buuuut if you need to clear any gap or distance to a “landing” then you will have to create some form of arc. In which case it’s recommended to rely on the form of the j-hop, the rider dictates the amount of pop. This is I assume what you mean by jerking and when don’t correctly it’s not abrupt. While I will agree that some riders take drops as jumps which is “wrong”. But there are times when you will need alittle pop or a lot of pop of a drop to clear a gap. Maybe watching a second time should be helpful as I think it’s clearly stated. But watching the whole video and listening is required. 😬👍
This was great. Probably the clearest explanation of the technique for drops, why and why not, that I have found. Thanks!
@@GMoneyLove you very welcome
Dude, you are a natural teacher! These videos are a breath of fresh air and really different from the standard youtube fare! Well done!
@@mauricep5116 thank you so much
Never do unweighted drops? I do them all the time. I love them. They are fun, make a small drop bigger, keeps my weight centered, gives me the push forward plan B if miscalculating speed. I don't jump straight up like you demonstrate unless I do it for height, I more absorb the weight, I will continue to do my drops like this because the are fun and safe. "Never" is a pretty negative and inflexible term for any maneuver. There is always more than one way to hit drops. Almost all my drops are to flat between 2-4 feet and half of them are to pavement.
Totally agree. When you wanna go big and get extra distance to send a big drop or clear a gap/double, popping off the bike and unweighting works great and is super fun.. Also, the risk of your back tire not clearing the edge of the drop is so low because you can easily judge whether you're going fast enough to clear it. In fact, you'd have to be going so slow in order for that to happen in the first place that you would still be going OTB even if you just used the standard push technique.
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Awesome video. I see what I am doing wrong now. I couldn't figure it out on watching multiple drop videos but yours did the trick!
I go by the maxim that keep your wheels on the ground as much as possible.
Brining them off always introduces movements etc that can throw off balance, angles etc
Of course its a matter of weighing risk vs reward and air time can absolutely reduce risk in some situations.
Thanks!
Thanks!
One thing you seem to not mention enough IMHO, on your first correct method, is that rolling the the front wheel has a risk of getting your pedals/front sprocket/emtb motor, stuck at the edge, also sending you over the bars. If the drop is known to you, no problem, but on an unknown trail, and taking into account your sag, it's not possible to judge how deep it is and if you could roll it. So my instructor said to always push the bars away to counter act on the gravity getting to your front wheel first. Especially on rocky terrain, I found it out the wrong way :D
Another solid video dude!
🤘🏼😎
Emma Long trail in Austin, Tx is a 5 mile loop motorcycle designed trail with steep drops including doubles and ledges and punchy climbs. A perfect place to dial in your drop technic.
These drop videos are great. I'm hoping you continue the series with natural drops that slope downward, slope downward to flat landing, slope upward, are off-camber, etc.
I'm 62 and naturally have always done the push , seems to get me back on the ground quickly 😅 where I need to be
Hey, thumbs up. drops are scary for this guy
You missed another method (that I did one of my last videos on)..
A BUMP. (As simple as that... and it can be done at any speed above jogging speed... and the landing may be the most comfortable one you have ever had).
Look at the landing at 8:47 from the push... The landing is REAR wheel 1st which is NOT optimal. A Neutral or slightly FRONT wheel landing is safer as you are not loading up the front wheel as much on the exit.
(My background was motorcross bikes on trail rides.. I wasn't a racer but liked jumpin things so I noted after breaking 1/4 of my front spokes on a day of jumping a 30ft to flat.. and my mate on the same day breaking his rear spokes from landing it on 45deg rear 1st, that I needed to check out where I was wrong.. and noted motorcross bikes doing 20ft high, 50ft tabletops.. were landing front wheel 1st.. which for me was scary.. until I started doing it on purpose...
Roll forward to me taking up DH riding (ok I'm an old starter and fairly mediocre... but I found at speed and slower... instead of pushing out and landing rear wheel, only to have the front come down and load up the forks on what often was the exit where a turn may be needed, and loaded forks and a turn end in hilarity...
I found the easy solution... do NOTHING on little drops... (In fact dropping your body into the drop then pushing the front DOWN over the lip so the front gets back on the ground as quick as possible) gave really great control for me (Obviously on drops smaller than your bottom bracket clearance.
but for other jumps.. (on my video I show 1m flat to roll down and 1m flat to flat... all I do is load the front forks just before the lip, with a bump (sharp press down)...
You natrualy tend to load the bottom crank sometimes, but with the bigger load on the forks, as you run off the lip the forks are rebounding, and bring the front back to level... and keep the front level as your rear approaches the lip, but the front then starts to drop to match the runoff, and the rear leaves and begins to drop... and the bike does a slow arc landing flat or slightly nose 1st...
but the rear then lands taking the load off the front so your more neutral balanced for that turn (or object avoidance) that leapt out at you after the drop...
Sounds complicated... but in practice.. it is SO EASY... Almost no thought... just pump before the lip so you hit the bottom of what ever load you gave the forks before the middle of the front tyre crosses the lip of the drop....
Man this was far easier to just show in my video. Just be wary.. TOO MUCH push on those push out drops, and you push the rear wheel down as you move back forward, land on that back wheel, and you load the front... fine if the drop is a beautiful sculpted smooth well maintained park... but after 20 noobs roll it with their brakes on that landing zone and exit is going to be anything but perfect.
Again I'm not a racer... But at 50+ I need all the control on landing a drop I can get.
The drops I find tricky are those where there is a rooty turn into a narrow gully with a drop of say around 18 inches/ 2 foot, a short flatter section of say around 4 foot (just about the length of bike's wheelbase) and then another drop of 18 inches/2 foot.... all in a narrow gulley.... I just try and roll these but find them tricky.
Good stuff, great channel!
Excellent
Wow this video is amazing !!!
Wow you have some beautiful hops well executed and explained! new subscriber here thanks!
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Funny I was just at Mountain Creek. There is a drop that has a blind entrance left turn onto a skinny/platform for the drop. It’s an abnormally slow entrance. The first time I cased it. The second time I added a pop of the end and it was perfect. Never say never there is a feature out there that will prove your advice wrong
Great one, thanks!
When J hopping the drop, do you also slightly shift you weigt backwards to lift the Front wheel as demonstrated in step 1 in the J Hop lesson?
Yea sir
Awesome
I thought the same, but thats the way they learn IT on bike instructor course and a speed drop(race technique ) when you push bike to the ground over the edge.
Is this the same technique for riding flats? I am fairly new to mountain biking and have been afraid to hit any drops with flat pedals.
@@EverythingOutdoorsAndJeeps all my videos are filmed on flats. I races Dh clipped in but everything else flats for fun
@@Theshredacademy Thats great to know. Thanks man. I love your channel.
good demo. a very subtle j-hop or just a push is the way to go. no need to add more height when you're trying to drop down. also hundreds or reps on easy drops is a good idea.
Spot on!!!
I see kids at the bike park and elsewhere around here using that 2 wheel lift to drop. Definitely scary and much harder to execute. A really bad execution of this 2 wheel lift at height is frigging dangerous.
Thanks!
Thank you so much I’m glad you liked it
What if the drop is just like the last one, but there is a little bit of a lip right at the end? I’m always scared my back wheel is going to get hung up on that. Thx man, loving the videos.
Pop it and do a back flip
Two options j-hop it like a bump jump or do the push but make sure you keep good pressure on your back wheel so the lip/root/rock doesnt buck you.
That’s why your not unweighting the bike, your shifting your weight to the rear 1/3rd and then dropping off.
Well said sir!!!
Dude I just got out the hospital, i didnt break anything. I appreciate you making the video. Although I got hurt doing this, I was able to successfully do it the first few times, until I made an error and the rear wheel caught on the lip on this drop i was practicing on, and flung me over my bike. My ebike is heavy, especially in the front due to the 1kw battery and a heavy 160nm motor. Could this massive weight in the front of my bike contribute to making this riding technique more challenging?
It absolutely can make it more difficult
Congratulations on #1! Was that at rock creek? 🎉
Yea sir thanks 🙏
never heard of J hop....isn't this just a manual?
You only pocket half of the “super thanks”? What’s a better way to “tip” for all of this free gold you’re giving away?
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@@Theshredacademy I’m jumping so well I’ve scared myself a few times. I was stuck on my J hop progression until TSA.
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Making the easy difficult.
You are not dropping. You are jumping. Completely different skills.
@@0815-j3s if you watch the video I discuss multiple methods of taking drops. And the wrong way on any drop.
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Sorry but I disagree with your techniques. I don’t like your straight armed, jerking back technique.
I recommend staying forward, crouch down, then let the bike drop below you as you extend your legs and arms to get the wheels on the ground and effectively extend your suspension.
I relate this technique to a person walking up to and dropping off of a loading dock. If you stand fully upright then walk forwards and off the dock, your body weight will be higher and fall further resulting in harder impact.
By crouching as low as possible while you walk forwards then quickly extend your legs as you leave the edge you’ll lower your effective weight and also be extending your legs suspension.
By having your butt back extremely far and your arms fully extended, you are hanging off the bike and not “leading the bike”. I would recommend a more centered position and the saddle dropped as low as possible of course.
The worst is when guys pull the front end up aggressively off drops, which makes the drop effectively higher and typically results in poor body position and an extremely harsh slap down landing.
Try drops with a rigid bike to best instill the most efficient techniques before moving on to bigger stuff.
@@timparker533 well in the video I cover 2 different correct methods in this video and and some not correct. Unless you’re purely relying in speed which I never would recommend to anyone that is not a seasoned skilled rider and you can’t rely on speed for every drop, you will have to unweight the front of the bike. Now if you’re not needing to clear any gap the “push or shove” is recommended. As it in weights the front of the bike as you leave the edge but not unweighting the bike completely, then as your rear wheel leaves yes the bike will fall under you.
Buuuut if you need to clear any gap or distance to a “landing” then you will have to create some form of arc. In which case it’s recommended to rely on the form of the j-hop, the rider dictates the amount of pop. This is I assume what you mean by jerking and when don’t correctly it’s not abrupt. While I will agree that some riders take drops as jumps which is “wrong”. But there are times when you will need alittle pop or a lot of pop of a drop to clear a gap.
Maybe watching a second time should be helpful as I think it’s clearly stated. But watching the whole video and listening is required. 😬👍
Too much yap looks good but get to the point we aint watching for 25 minute's
@@GoveeCalgary surprising enough people did watch. So don’t watch. Thanks for telling us all how you feel.
@@Theshredacademy I enjoyed it and learned something new. Thanks for the tips.