Best summary video I've seen about Atmos and the bonus of general tracking of big band. Steve is truly a leader and tip of the spear of Atmos. Paved the way for the rest of us working in Atmos right now. Great interview!
Thanks for watching! I learned so much from Steve when I coming up at Capitol. I'm glad to get to share a bit of that with other people here. How long have you been mixing Atmos?
@@progressionspod it was pretty insane. Definitely the Wild West. Such a fan of how vocal Steve has been about the ups and downs, especially when Covid hit, and there he was in his front room as a guest on some webinars with Avid and Dolby, describing how he was getting things to translate just fine with his hodgepodge set up at the time. Definitely not the Dolby certified room that Dolby was so concerned about. He helped clarify what was actually necessary to mix in Atmos versus what manufacturers insisted was the “right” way. 😊
Maybe the point is being missed. Phones do have binaural. Cars are getting Atmos. This thread is commented on by people that have Atmos studios, myself included. If you want to send your clients away because you want to convince them Atmos won’t be around, please let them know that I will take care of any bad mixes in a studio that has 9.1.6. Please don’t hold others back because you are not moving forward.
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So much binaural mixes people don’t like have been mixed on headphones and not speakers. All bad mixes sound bad. Atmos is not going away. There are people in the world that still don’t have a cell phone. There will always be people that don’t have Atmos.
IMO: Unless someone can figure out how to place 12+ speakers in a phone or car, ATMOS is going to be just 5.1 surround sound, it'll be popular for 5 to 8 years and then fade away because the majority of people listen to music on their phones or other very small devices. The idea that people will listen to music sitting still in the center of a large room probably will never happen.
Strange mentality to think that if you can't compare to the stereo mix, then you don't know that the stereo mix is better...I don't want to live in a world where I need a surround system to enjoy a mix at its best...
Yeah, the stereo is always better than the binaural Atmos in my opinion as well. Atmos in a room is a lot of fun, but without easy access for the consumer to hear a quality playback it'll be a tough sell for music in the long run.
Waste of time. People Don’t have time to sit around and actually give their undivided attention to listening to a song, let alone an album of high quality music. People will soon be into AI music sitting behind a short on Instagram.
I am skeptical of formats larger than stereo but I would argue that it isn't a waste of time. There are still people that listen and care. Don't lose hope.
I agree music playback needs one thing interaural crosstalk cancellation. binaural recording had the problem since it's conceptions in 1929 Alan Blumin invention
@@MariJu1ce Let explain Atmos is object placement basically in 3d square at the discretion of the person making the mix/engineer. That is what people don't have time for in Audiophile hobbies
@@MariJu1ce I was referring to listening to a full album to its entirety on something other than a cell phone. Question for you, when is the last time you sat down to listen to a full album without any distractions? No cell phone, no kids, no anything to distract your attention? Heading to your local drug store for some viiagra and standing in line listening to some Muzak doesn’t count! People’s attention span these days is that of a 4 year old with ADHD.
Definetly disagree about binural render sounding good, it sounds absolutely awful... I hope it isn't here to stay. Such a shame that apple music has spacial audio turned on by default when its available for the song. People who don't know what it is will probably think its something wrong with the song, or don't know how to turn it off because they don't even know its on. Atmos is ok in speakers in my opinion.
Atmos is a rehash!!! Yamaha added spacial environment que with the DSP-1 in the 80s this is just when Dolby was just noise reduction on tapes. I installed my first multi-channel system in the early 90s
The binaural is definitely a very sub par experience and doesn’t do the format justice, which I think really works against it working. Although I really don’t put it past Apple pushing it onto people until they just accept it. Lol. Also the fact that spatial defaults to on for every app (at least it did when I got my AirPod pros more than a year ago) is total nonsense.
Best summary video I've seen about Atmos and the bonus of general tracking of big band.
Steve is truly a leader and tip of the spear of Atmos. Paved the way for the rest of us working in Atmos right now. Great interview!
Thanks for watching! I learned so much from Steve when I coming up at Capitol. I'm glad to get to share a bit of that with other people here.
How long have you been mixing Atmos?
@@progressionspod I built my room about five years ago
@@ProAudioIQ Nice! You got in early!
@@progressionspod it was pretty insane. Definitely the Wild West.
Such a fan of how vocal Steve has been about the ups and downs, especially when Covid hit, and there he was in his front room as a guest on some webinars with Avid and Dolby, describing how he was getting things to translate just fine with his hodgepodge set up at the time. Definitely not the Dolby certified room that Dolby was so concerned about.
He helped clarify what was actually necessary to mix in Atmos versus what manufacturers insisted was the “right” way. 😊
Maybe the point is being missed. Phones do have binaural. Cars are getting Atmos. This thread is commented on by people that have Atmos studios, myself included. If you want to send your clients away because you want to convince them Atmos won’t be around, please let them know that I will take care of any bad mixes in a studio that has 9.1.6. Please don’t hold others back because you are not moving forward.
here from tiktok, great convo!
Wow! I’ve never confirmed that posting clips on TikTok actually brings anybody to the full show. Haha. Thanks! Hope you enjoy the channel!
If you ever have a guest request drop a comment on any episode or hit me on TikTok!
So much binaural mixes people don’t like have been mixed on headphones and not speakers. All bad mixes sound bad. Atmos is not going away. There are people in the world that still don’t have a cell phone. There will always be people that don’t have Atmos.
IMO: Unless someone can figure out how to place 12+ speakers in a phone or car, ATMOS is going to be just 5.1 surround sound, it'll be popular for 5 to 8 years and then fade away because the majority of people listen to music on their phones or other very small devices. The idea that people will listen to music sitting still in the center of a large room probably will never happen.
Strange mentality to think that if you can't compare to the stereo mix, then you don't know that the stereo mix is better...I don't want to live in a world where I need a surround system to enjoy a mix at its best...
Yeah, the stereo is always better than the binaural Atmos in my opinion as well. Atmos in a room is a lot of fun, but without easy access for the consumer to hear a quality playback it'll be a tough sell for music in the long run.
As a speaker maximalist I approve this message.
You know somewhere somebody is scheming an Atmos system with main and alt speakers. 😂
@@progressionspod haha
good luck with that
Thank you! You too!
Super interesting that he has almost no treatment in that room (that we can see)
Bullshit
Waste of time. People
Don’t have time to sit around and actually give their undivided attention to listening to a song, let alone an album of high quality music. People will soon be into AI music sitting behind a short on Instagram.
I am skeptical of formats larger than stereo but I would argue that it isn't a waste of time. There are still people that listen and care. Don't lose hope.
I agree music playback needs one thing interaural crosstalk cancellation. binaural recording had the problem since it's conceptions in 1929 Alan Blumin invention
People dont have time to sit and listen to music? really?? what planet are you living on? Sounds a bit pessimistic dude.
@@MariJu1ce Let explain Atmos is object placement basically in 3d square at the discretion of the person making the mix/engineer.
That is what people don't have time for in Audiophile hobbies
@@MariJu1ce I was referring to listening to a full album to its entirety on something other than a cell phone. Question for you, when is the last time you sat down to listen to a full album without any distractions? No cell phone, no kids, no anything to distract your attention? Heading to your local drug store for some viiagra and standing in line listening to some Muzak doesn’t count! People’s attention span these days is that of a 4 year old with ADHD.
Definetly disagree about binural render sounding good, it sounds absolutely awful... I hope it isn't here to stay. Such a shame that apple music has spacial audio turned on by default when its available for the song. People who don't know what it is will probably think its something wrong with the song, or don't know how to turn it off because they don't even know its on. Atmos is ok in speakers in my opinion.
Atmos is a rehash!!! Yamaha added spacial environment que with the DSP-1 in the 80s this is just when Dolby was just noise reduction on tapes.
I installed my first multi-channel system in the early 90s
The binaural is definitely a very sub par experience and doesn’t do the format justice, which I think really works against it working. Although I really don’t put it past Apple pushing it onto people until they just accept it. Lol.
Also the fact that spatial defaults to on for every app (at least it did when I got my AirPod pros more than a year ago) is total nonsense.
Dolby Atmos is a dead parrot. Get over it.