I love the way you ended here. Look for the helpers... be one of the helpers. Govt has abdicated their role of protecting the community and the environment. Time for every one of us to step uo to care for each other and make wiser, abundance filled decisions about what happens in our communities.
Now maybe check out the tale of Jenny screetch and violet. It's the 13 minute version. You need to watch them together. Another insane bit of story telling
Humanity, community and the natural environment…including conservatorship for the natural world. Throw in some critical thinking and you have a good foundation for school. You guys should check out Ren’s One Million Subscribers speech if you haven’t already. Thanks for the thought going into your reaction (in proportion to the seriousness of the content).
Ren is a multifaceted genius - Rapper, singer, songwriter, playwright, director, and modern-day Bard. Everything he does is in reference to something else, and he can be really subtle, not showing off some of his most creative ideas. "Jimmy" was 45 when he ended his life with a 45 calibre pistol, at the time of putting this out, Trump was the 45th president of the United States. Nothing Ren does is accidental. He's a gift.
Homeostasis is the answer, taking care of everyone and everything just like nature. Ren does a clip called “Eden" that explores this an interesting concept.
'Ren - Crucify Your Culture' is another of his songs that talks sbout some similar themes to the MG trilogy. Think you three would enjoy and spark some further conversation
Well, that does not make him a genius, that makes him a great observer and a great artist. Genius would have been if he did actually invented the whole story. What he showing us here is the amazing artist he is. As art is technically and literally taking things that already exist and present them in different or unexpected way. As an example Marcel Duchamps took a urinol turned it upside down and renamed it "The Fountain".
@@1individeothere is no inventing from nothing. Everything comes from somewhere else. Genius is just another word. Getting bent out of shape about a subjective term like that when it comes to art is rather self important.
@@1individeothere is no inventing from nothing. Everything comes from somewhere else. Genius is just another word. Getting bent out of shape about a subjective term like that when it comes to art is rather self important.
@@heartdragon2386 totally agree. But there is a diffence between creation and interpretation/contextualization. There is a difference between creating a new recipe for a cake and creating a variation of a famous cake. *in both cases the same ingredients could be used.
@@1individeo In Heretic he defines creativity as 'losing your mind and seeing patterns in the places where the patterns are defined.' For me that is also his greatest gift, the ability to see and then translate that so well for the rest of the world.
The rich drive the economy! The poor live with the consequences! Company's charge what they can and if it still sells then that's what the market can afford!!!! It's ruthless price gouging
There is no one out there like REN. I found his music, talent, 18 months ago, and I haven't stopped watching his stuff since. He has large catalog of music. I haven't been blown away by an artist in 30 years. Ren stands alone as the all around talent of a generation, those who haven't heard him yet, I predict will, soon enough. There is no stopping him now, he's a force of nature.
I've watched an infinite number of Ren Reactions to the money game trilogy, but eve though you missed the first one, you guys have given the most intelligent thorough discourse. Thank you. I have subbed for more ❤
What I love about this is Ren shows you the progression of corruption. Starting with pressure to succeed, then the manipulation of date, dealing arms, leading to dealing drugs because no one can stop him. The question is to what end. When is enough, enough. If acquisition and power are the goals you will never win. Even Ren acknowledges his part in the game. The question is how do we find balance. Ren is trying to get people to remove their hood and see reality.
Epic release date for this reaction; May the 31st will henceforth be known as the 34th of May... I'm sure I'll have more to say after I watch what you 3 have to say, lol. Edit - I have too much to say. What drives me is the phrase I heard about 14 years ago now. (Context: I'm a 2nd generation atheist on one side of the family, 3rd generation on the other side) Be a good ancestor. That just... covers it for me. All of it. It even, to me, takes the capital H out of the word hero; it takes the ego and drive to be remembered out of it. I live my life as best I can, to become a good ancestor. To the future of humanity, and to the future of the thin membrane of life on the planet. I don't need to be recognized for my contributions; I don't need anyone to follow *me,* specifically. My name doesn't need to be recorded anywhere as someone who tried to do good things. Just... *be* that good ancestor, in every moment that you can. It won't be all moments. But just keep adding good ancestor decisions to your life. ... and you *do* influence others slong the way, even though that wasn't your specific intent in undertaking the good ancestor rôle. I've also found the 7 generations idea to be profoundly impactful of course, and Ubuntu ("I am because you are" ... I also sometimes say "without you [universal you] I am nothing")
This was the reference from Hi Ren. She sells sea shells ..... this song had gone viral as a meme of Luigi and then added to a neme using Em and Em. But it was always Ren. He uses the United States because they are the cultural capitalism leaders so to speak, , but it really relates to the entire world.
1 the history of the money game . 2 how to play the game 3 what you win if your only criteria for success is money. They have old fashioned money bags on their heads distorting their vision . In money game 1 the guitarist who is us ,stops the game when Ren draws the eyes on the bag and we can see clearly .
Ren believes that utopia can be achieved. Sir Thomas More created the term utopia, in a book with the same title. More wanted to imply that the perfect conditions on his fictional island could never really exist, so he called it “Utopia,” a name he created by combining the Greek words ou (“not, no”) and topos (“place”). The earliest generic use of utopia was for an imaginary and indefinitely remote place.
I think it's important to notice that Ren doesn't say "we could build utopia". He says utopias...with an "s" on the end. It seems to me that he's not under the illusion that there can be a perfect world. As he says in his One Million Subscribers video, "some people's ideas of heaven will be another's image of hell". There can never be A utopia. There can, however, be multiple utopias, or at least something much closer than we are now.
So many is his songs and I use the term songs loosely because this is more like an art piece make you really think. It's depressing but it's all reality. This guy is like 33 years old and making the most truthful art and it makes me feel Ike we are doomed.
When Ren mentions sea-shells, he could be talking about the use of shells as an ancient form of currency, used in many early cultures, but he could also be referencing Royal Dutch Shell, the Anglo-Dutch oil corporation, that is the second biggest oil and gas company in the world...and one of the leading instigators of proxy resource wars globally. Not to mention their immense efforts to lobby for relaxing environmental protections and spread disinformation about the impending climate crisis.
Also the father of the 2 guys that started royal dutch shell was an antiques dealer in london who made his money importing ornamental shells from the far est - his sons then used his shipping network for transporting barrels of oil
Enjoying your reactions and analysis to Ren’s music. Many of REN’s songs are enhanced by the video. You didn’t watch the Money Game 1 video, but like Hi Ren and Money Game Part 3, it is a one take video, just another thing Ren is a master at. You also have not reacted to any of his singing videos (most of them are from him busking either alone or with his band The Big Push or with other relatively unknown indie artists like Chinchilla and Sam Tompkins). Anyway, please check out his trilogy set of The Tale of Jenny and Screech(Full). It’s broken into three separate videos (recorded at different times) that total 13+ minutes. I would really like to see you three watch them in one sitting and after the minute or so for you guys to raised your dropped jaws, see what your thoughts are.
Guys thank you so much for your open minded deep introspective discussion it’s really thought provoking I have. Never seen a musical artist spark such a reaction in us holding up mirrors fir us. In fact this is hardly ever achieved even by “high art” For me this is what makes Ren a transcendental talent. I don’t want to use the word genius but i think I must in his case
She sells sea shells is originally about Mary Anning a female palaeontologist in a time females weren't recognised for their work so she sold the fossils on the beach in South West Englad. Also the Shell company started out selling antique rare shells.
One of the things that infuriates me the most is that any solution that involves large changes has to be a perfect solution. It doesn't matter if it is far better than where we are. If it has any imperfection, it isn't even worthy of consideration. We just have to stay put.
If you can build such an amazing economic engine by harnessing ambition and greed... think what you can do if you harness fear and anger ; ) Economists and Politicians rarely stop to think whether they 'should' ... just whether they 'can' - and we're seeing that they can. Whilst capitalism seems like it builds, it does so by extracting the maximum the market will sustain at every step. Think of how we could build if we didn't extract maximum value for every nut, bolt and washer. I'm not talking about communism, just less aggressive capitalism. But if we don't destroy ourselves first, we're headed for socialism... I'll tell you why... ... machines came for manufacturing and mining. So, we the labour force moved into the service industries. Now AI is poised to wipe out the service industries and replace callcentres and customer-facing positions with corporate servers running a tireless AI handling millions of queries an hour. Where does the worker go next? As jobs dry up, they're going to have to do one of two things... - Pay us to consume (cling to the old model), or; - Start great wars to keep us occupied and lower the population numbers. The way out of this, is to give us all a stake in the manufacturing capacity. That is, we all become shareholders in a system that no longer needs us. Perhaps the only sustainable economic system is where the value of a given item is pegged to the actual number of man hours used to produce it .... such that as automation steps in, goods get cheaper. I mean, that's the ideal... right? When the country runs itself we all get to pursue meaningful lives exploring the things that make us the most fulfilled. A good start would be to bring in a tax for worker displacement, so that social programmes increase as automation grows. Yes, the goods become cheaper to produce - but you have to offset your social cost of automation too. This will aim to keep consumer capacity high despite declining employment. I don;t have all the answers, but we sure don't have long to find a solution. Right now, the economy is built around planned scarcity and the fear of poverty i- n a system that will happily throw you overboard if you're not running on the hamster wheel. So, if we're headed for self-running hamster wheels, then we're going to have to offset that - else, hundreds of millions of people will become surplus to requirements ... and no civilisation can survive that : ) So, what we gonna do? Nothing... just keep running on that wheel and hoping we'll be one of the last ones standing. Maybe, just maybe, progress will leave us alone and go after someone elses job : /
Great reaction. But one thing. Elon musk is a bad example. Everything he does is to make the world a better place. But to the argument that he wants more! Elon lives off minimum wage salary, everything is paid for by his companies but all of his money is in his company but mostly all in his companies stocks. He has to sell stock to buy things. Anyways, I am sure this comment will get people rowdy with emotion because some people don't like his opinions. But if we want to make world a better place then not judging people who don't have the same beliefs has to be one of the issues we must fix..
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I am sure that Ren would be thrilled & gratified that his artistic creation sparked this great conversation.
Thank you!
@@PomadeJam Profit Profit...financial advantage, financial gain. Antithesis of Utopia. We live in a dystopian society
I love the way you ended here. Look for the helpers... be one of the helpers. Govt has abdicated their role of protecting the community and the environment. Time for every one of us to step uo to care for each other and make wiser, abundance filled decisions about what happens in our communities.
well said
Now maybe check out the tale of Jenny screetch and violet. It's the 13 minute version. You need to watch them together. Another insane bit of story telling
Very intelligent discussion on this thoughtful art. Thanks guys! (I feel that Ren would love this reaction. Really hope he sees it.)
Thank you!
Humanity, community and the natural environment…including conservatorship for the natural world. Throw in some critical thinking and you have a good foundation for school. You guys should check out Ren’s One Million Subscribers speech if you haven’t already. Thanks for the thought going into your reaction (in proportion to the seriousness of the content).
we will have to check that out, thanks.
Ren is a multifaceted genius - Rapper, singer, songwriter, playwright, director, and modern-day Bard. Everything he does is in reference to something else, and he can be really subtle, not showing off some of his most creative ideas.
"Jimmy" was 45 when he ended his life with a 45 calibre pistol, at the time of putting this out, Trump was the 45th president of the United States. Nothing Ren does is accidental.
He's a gift.
He really is.
Biden was president when MG3 came out. Agree with everything else you said tho. Everything Ren does is EPIC!❤❤❤❤
Thank you for reacting to Ren. He is the best musical artist of my lifetime and everyone needs to hear him.
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
Part 1 is History, Part 2 is Economics,
Part 3 is… Social Studies?
Sociology/Psychology 👍
Homeostasis is the answer, taking care of everyone and everything just like nature. Ren does a clip called “Eden" that explores this an interesting concept.
'Ren - Crucify Your Culture' is another of his songs that talks sbout some similar themes to the MG trilogy. Think you three would enjoy and spark some further conversation
Will check it out
Shell Oil Company started out selling sea shells, Ren is a genius!
Well, that does not make him a genius, that makes him a great observer and a great artist. Genius would have been if he did actually invented the whole story. What he showing us here is the amazing artist he is. As art is technically and literally taking things that already exist and present them in different or unexpected way.
As an example Marcel Duchamps took a urinol turned it upside down and renamed it "The Fountain".
@@1individeothere is no inventing from nothing. Everything comes from somewhere else. Genius is just another word. Getting bent out of shape about a subjective term like that when it comes to art is rather self important.
@@1individeothere is no inventing from nothing. Everything comes from somewhere else. Genius is just another word. Getting bent out of shape about a subjective term like that when it comes to art is rather self important.
@@heartdragon2386 totally agree. But there is a diffence between creation and interpretation/contextualization. There is a difference between creating a new recipe for a cake and creating a variation of a famous cake.
*in both cases the same ingredients could be used.
@@1individeo In Heretic he defines creativity as 'losing your mind and seeing patterns in the places where the patterns are defined.' For me that is also his greatest gift, the ability to see and then translate that so well for the rest of the world.
The rich drive the economy! The poor live with the consequences! Company's charge what they can and if it still sells then that's what the market can afford!!!!
It's ruthless price gouging
It’s all about greed, and the only way out of the money game is death.
There is no one out there like REN. I found his music, talent, 18 months ago, and I haven't stopped watching his stuff since. He has large catalog of music. I haven't been blown away by an artist in 30 years. Ren stands alone as the all around talent of a generation, those who haven't heard him yet, I predict will, soon enough. There is no stopping him now, he's a force of nature.
It's like Ren's line in Sick Boi "Science tells us that it's suicide, and still we commit"
I've watched an infinite number of Ren Reactions to the money game trilogy, but eve though you missed the first one, you guys have given the most intelligent thorough discourse. Thank you. I have subbed for more ❤
What I love about this is Ren shows you the progression of corruption. Starting with pressure to succeed, then the manipulation of date, dealing arms, leading to dealing drugs because no one can stop him. The question is to what end. When is enough, enough. If acquisition and power are the goals you will never win. Even Ren acknowledges his part in the game. The question is how do we find balance. Ren is trying to get people to remove their hood and see reality.
and he's doing it brilliantly.
Great to see a proper conversation about the meaning of Rens words! It looks like all three of you know what you have to do! 🙏♥️🙏
The Eggheads are the ones you need to listen to
THIS ⬆
Epic release date for this reaction; May the 31st will henceforth be known as the 34th of May...
I'm sure I'll have more to say after I watch what you 3 have to say, lol.
Edit -
I have too much to say.
What drives me is the phrase I heard about 14 years ago now.
(Context: I'm a 2nd generation atheist on one side of the family, 3rd generation on the other side)
Be a good ancestor.
That just... covers it for me.
All of it.
It even, to me, takes the capital H out of the word hero; it takes the ego and drive to be remembered out of it.
I live my life as best I can, to become a good ancestor.
To the future of humanity, and to the future of the thin membrane of life on the planet.
I don't need to be recognized for my contributions; I don't need anyone to follow *me,* specifically. My name doesn't need to be recorded anywhere as someone who tried to do good things.
Just... *be* that good ancestor, in every moment that you can.
It won't be all moments.
But just keep adding good ancestor decisions to your life.
... and you *do* influence others slong the way, even though that wasn't your specific intent in undertaking the good ancestor rôle.
I've also found the 7 generations idea to be profoundly impactful of course, and Ubuntu ("I am because you are" ... I also sometimes say "without you [universal you] I am nothing")
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I love the way you guys bulshit
This was the reference from Hi Ren. She sells sea shells ..... this song had gone viral as a meme of Luigi and then added to a neme using Em and Em. But it was always Ren.
He uses the United States because they are the cultural capitalism leaders so to speak, , but it really relates to the entire world.
1 the history of the money game . 2 how to play the game 3 what you win if your only criteria for success is money.
They have old fashioned money bags on their heads distorting their vision . In money game 1 the guitarist who is us ,stops the game when Ren draws the eyes on the bag and we can see clearly .
the greatest threat to the capitalist system is monopolies, not socialism
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Greed & power are addictions but glorified not rehabilitated. Sad we are here and now. Ren is our canary, much like Rage was.
Hey Guys! Popped in because of Ren, stayed and subbed because of you and the great discourse. Peace Friends.
Thank you so much!
Ren believes that utopia can be achieved. Sir Thomas More created the term utopia, in a book with the same title. More wanted to imply that the perfect conditions on his fictional island could never really exist, so he called it “Utopia,” a name he created by combining the Greek words ou (“not, no”) and topos (“place”). The earliest generic use of utopia was for an imaginary and indefinitely remote place.
Thanks!
I think it's important to notice that Ren doesn't say "we could build utopia". He says utopias...with an "s" on the end. It seems to me that he's not under the illusion that there can be a perfect world. As he says in his One Million Subscribers video, "some people's ideas of heaven will be another's image of hell". There can never be A utopia. There can, however, be multiple utopias, or at least something much closer than we are now.
@@RenegadeRockChik Nah, I don’t go for that explanation. If you can’t have a single utopia, you certainly can’t have multiple ones.
So many is his songs and I use the term songs loosely because this is more like an art piece make you really think. It's depressing but it's all reality. This guy is like 33 years old and making the most truthful art and it makes me feel Ike we are doomed.
Art piece is a great way to refer to it.
Really Elon Musk is your go to example of this wow, way to go on that great example.😂😂😂😂
Great reaction fellas, doesn't he spit the truth ❤
Yes he does
When Ren mentions sea-shells, he could be talking about the use of shells as an ancient form of currency, used in many early cultures, but he could also be referencing Royal Dutch Shell, the Anglo-Dutch oil corporation, that is the second biggest oil and gas company in the world...and one of the leading instigators of proxy resource wars globally. Not to mention their immense efforts to lobby for relaxing environmental protections and spread disinformation about the impending climate crisis.
Also the father of the 2 guys that started royal dutch shell was an antiques dealer in london who made his money importing ornamental shells from the far est - his sons then used his shipping network for transporting barrels of oil
Do your bit and be the pebble in the pond rippling out the message. We tried hard in the 70s but no one listened.
I think the head coverings are money bags.
Have any of you read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn? Good read.
So often, the best conversations start out in awkward silence. Well done, guys!
Powerful art can do that to you. Thanks!
I loved the brilliant discussion that MG3 inspired from you all. Intelligent analysis of an amazing trilogy created by Ren. ❤❤❤
Thank you!
really appreciated your analysis!
Thank you!
And we can’t leave earth until we master gravity in space
Enjoying your reactions and analysis to Ren’s music. Many of REN’s songs are enhanced by the video. You didn’t watch the Money Game 1 video, but like Hi Ren and Money Game Part 3, it is a one take video, just another thing Ren is a master at. You also have not reacted to any of his singing videos (most of them are from him busking either alone or with his band The Big Push or with other relatively unknown indie artists like Chinchilla and Sam Tompkins). Anyway, please check out his trilogy set of The Tale of Jenny and Screech(Full). It’s broken into three separate videos (recorded at different times) that total 13+ minutes. I would really like to see you three watch them in one sitting and after the minute or so for you guys to raised your dropped jaws, see what your thoughts are.
Thanks for the suggestions! I’ll add those to the list.
Guys thank you so much for your open minded deep introspective discussion it’s really thought provoking
I have. Never seen a musical artist spark such a reaction in us holding up mirrors fir us. In fact this is hardly ever achieved even by “high art” For me this is what makes Ren a transcendental talent. I don’t want to use the word genius but i think I must in his case
She sells sea shells is originally about Mary Anning a female palaeontologist in a time females weren't recognised for their work so she sold the fossils on the beach in South West Englad.
Also the Shell company started out selling antique rare shells.
Love your reaction guys. ♥️
Great reaction . Very thought provoking. Thanks 😊
Ren always gets you thinking and talking❤❤❤
a sub for REN !
One of the things that infuriates me the most is that any solution that involves large changes has to be a perfect solution. It doesn't matter if it is far better than where we are. If it has any imperfection, it isn't even worthy of consideration. We just have to stay put.
Good point
Don’t let perfect block the way to better.
Ambition is winning and failing at the same time.
If you can build such an amazing economic engine by harnessing ambition and greed... think what you can do if you harness fear and anger ; ) Economists and Politicians rarely stop to think whether they 'should' ... just whether they 'can' - and we're seeing that they can.
Whilst capitalism seems like it builds, it does so by extracting the maximum the market will sustain at every step. Think of how we could build if we didn't extract maximum value for every nut, bolt and washer. I'm not talking about communism, just less aggressive capitalism. But if we don't destroy ourselves first, we're headed for socialism... I'll tell you why...
... machines came for manufacturing and mining. So, we the labour force moved into the service industries. Now AI is poised to wipe out the service industries and replace callcentres and customer-facing positions with corporate servers running a tireless AI handling millions of queries an hour. Where does the worker go next?
As jobs dry up, they're going to have to do one of two things...
- Pay us to consume (cling to the old model), or;
- Start great wars to keep us occupied and lower the population numbers.
The way out of this, is to give us all a stake in the manufacturing capacity. That is, we all become shareholders in a system that no longer needs us. Perhaps the only sustainable economic system is where the value of a given item is pegged to the actual number of man hours used to produce it .... such that as automation steps in, goods get cheaper. I mean, that's the ideal... right? When the country runs itself we all get to pursue meaningful lives exploring the things that make us the most fulfilled.
A good start would be to bring in a tax for worker displacement, so that social programmes increase as automation grows. Yes, the goods become cheaper to produce - but you have to offset your social cost of automation too. This will aim to keep consumer capacity high despite declining employment.
I don;t have all the answers, but we sure don't have long to find a solution.
Right now, the economy is built around planned scarcity and the fear of poverty i- n a system that will happily throw you overboard if you're not running on the hamster wheel. So, if we're headed for self-running hamster wheels, then we're going to have to offset that - else, hundreds of millions of people will become surplus to requirements ... and no civilisation can survive that : )
So, what we gonna do? Nothing... just keep running on that wheel and hoping we'll be one of the last ones standing. Maybe, just maybe, progress will leave us alone and go after someone elses job : /
very interesting thoughts. and yep, just keep running on that wheel. Until AI runs on it for you.
wow great reaction and discussion! new sub here
Thanks for the sub!
Great channel thank you 🙏
A great analysis.
Thank you!
Hunter maybe, and many more 🙄 Love your reactions
Thank you!
Here for Ren
Beardy guy number 1 looks terrified 😅😅😅
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Thumb up for this great reflected reaction and subbed for the nice and chilled dog in the middle. Greatings from Germany 👍.
It would have made more sense to you if you had viewed the first video.
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Great reaction. But one thing. Elon musk is a bad example. Everything he does is to make the world a better place. But to the argument that he wants more! Elon lives off minimum wage salary, everything is paid for by his companies but all of his money is in his company but mostly all in his companies stocks. He has to sell stock to buy things. Anyways, I am sure this comment will get people rowdy with emotion because some people don't like his opinions. But if we want to make world a better place then not judging people who don't have the same beliefs has to be one of the issues we must fix..