Lila Tueller has guts to lay her life story out there like that for the whole world to see. I just watcher all four episodes transfixed by her courage and beauty. Raised in the faith in SLC attending Skyline High School and the UofU, I am stunned that the daughter of a General Authority has healed herself sufficiently to calmly tell us her heartbreaking story. God bless you Lila.
I just love her demeanor. She’s very respectful and talks about the positives even though her life had incredible hardships!! Thank you Lila for taking time to share your story, it’s helped me a lot
This needs to be broadcasted everywhere, shown to everyone. It's amazing, and raw and genuine. I've never heard an experience in the church spoken so openly and bluntly. People NEED to hear Lila's story
Not what is important here. Who gives a rip how she looks. Lila, wonderful story. Thxs for sharing. Brave, intelligent, and balanced. That is what should be discussed.
Apparently quite a few people give a rip. There are a ton of comments about her looks. Big deal. She's remarkably good looking for her age. Why do you care that people point that out?
@@OmahaAreaLoya We have someone spilling her guts out and folks (you included) choose to comment about her looks?? I can explain it to you why that is a problem, but I can't understand it for you. And something tells me you truly don't get it.
I binged all 4 parts. So many feels. In case y'all reading comments to 3 yr old videos: This has been very cathartic for me. I honestly have had a lot of resentment in my soul for Hartman Rector Jr... because even on my mission in the mid 70's, I hated the blacks being blocked. I used Elder Rector Junior's teachings to teach others the "less valiant" myth, on my mission and subsequently as a Gospel Doctrine teacher. This story has helped me see a different side to him, and to the GA's and their families. I've finally come to peace with Elder HRJ. Thank you, Lila. Your story and mine have some similarities. I appreciate your vulnerability so much.
after 30 years of being outcast, listening to another inner family member's journey is a weight lifted. thank you for sharing. this is as close as i will get to a conversations with my tbm sisters.
Anyone who lives for the church pays a huge price in time and emotional trial. There are so many in the church who are depressed and anxious because they feel like all they can do is still not enough and or done well enough. The church seems to give the impression that they have the market cornered on goodness and service. Not so. Never was so. There is a lot of happiness and joy to experience and share without feeling guilty for not doing enough. Without being judged by anyone but the the Lord.
I've said for a long time there is no positive reenforcement in 3 hours of church every sunday. It was just 3 hours of every thing you're not doing and everything you should be doing. EQ was an absolute beat down every sunday. Always came out feeling totally lost and frustrated. I'd spend 2 hours in traffic and 1 hour in EQ and feel more stressed after EQ than traffic.
I was a receptionist at BYU Idaho for a few years. John Rector was more reserved and kept to himself but he was one of the highly requested counselors. Many of the more complex cases for clients wanted to see him. Seems like he must have been enlightened for a long time
Lila, you're an incredible human being. Thank you so much for sharing your journe! You have not ideia how much you've helped me with your interview while I'm going through my faith crisis. You're are inteligente, gorgeous, humble and very charismatic lady. May your life always be blessed with all your heart desires. Thank you so much John and everyone working with you for helping us out during this delicate time. Let's support the show!
Thank you Lila for doing these interviews. I was so connected with Emma, I felt there was a big problem, and when I listened to the Year of Polygamy podcasts with Lindsay, I just ran right out of the church aged 70. That was in 2015. Thank God I'm out, I pity my grandchildren but I have to just believe they'll be OK. Then it was Rough Stone Rolling, the Gospel Topics Essays. I needed therapy. I am so grateful for the pioneers like John and Lindsay and Jeremy. Thank you so much. 💜 💜
John and Lila, it has been very interesting and good listening to both of You. Very eye opening for many people to realize and know what is going on in the Mormon Church. Thanks again.
Really great interview. Thanks. I listened to the whole thing over a period of 2 days and I wanted to hear the whole thing. There are some 1 hour interviews that I turn off after 20 minutes because there's no depth.This interview had a lot of depth and a lot of insight. Thank you Lila for sharing your story.
John, your podcasts are the most genuine and revealing and touching that I have come across. There's a lot to be said to let people tell their stories without abridging them. I have been a big fan now for 8 months (starting with #1110-1111 which I found after the NY Times article) and also loved the crossover podcasts with Chris Shelton. I am a never Mormon although I investigated in the 1980's. You are a saint and as resilient as this guest, Lila.
I'm a never Mormon just like you! I guess I'm not the only one who finds these stories fascinating even without having a Mormon background. Maybe it's because many people have had a Mormon experience due to the missionaries, even if they never embraced the Mormon Church.
I can't believe how much your story sounds like mine, minus the GA dad. I've been really stuck in the sad/mad stage and your advice to not stay stuck, but to push through and find the positive really hit me. There is a lot to be happy about. Thanks for your story.
Well, I've been afraid of changing 'Cause I've built my life around you But time makes you bolder Even children get older And I'm gettin' older, too (Fleetwood Mac - Landslide)
Lila this is an amazing story. Your bravery and vulnerability is astounding and so promising. It was great meeting you at Sunstone and seeing your fabrics too. You are so talented. I too started binging in 2019. I haven’t looked back. Never felt so relieved to be out of the anger stage. I only wish I lived closer to Utah to be able to participate in more thrive events. Hope to see you at Sunstone next year too. Just followed your insta today so I can continue to see your beautiful family, fabrics and story.
On a funny note my new critical thinking book didn’t come on Monday. I had set aside Monday for reading it even though I was delayed getting home a day by cancelled flights. I was secretly bummed but excited to read it today. Still no book. Silly first world problem.
This is such a great story! So many great elements of discovery, twists and turns, healing and looking ahead to a great future. I enjoyed the tidbits on finding support when you're introverted. Our energy is just different and can get exhausted with too much people time. Thank you for sharing!
What a beautiful person Lila is!! Inside and out!! I can’t hardly believe she is as old as she says! I hung on every word for the four hours! Parts of her life sound like mine. I left the church 4 years ago and have not stepped foot in since. Yet, my husband has been ward clerk for 7 years! He says my parents and grandparents (all deceased) are ashamed of me and I’m following the devil and I’ll be sorry. It breaks my heart! Everything I try to tell him just infuriates him and he sends me mounds of church info. He says Joseph admits that he was not a perfect man. WHAT??? So that excuses everything???? And the kick in the arse is that I converted him 46 years ago before I would marry him! I learned so much from Lila. Please thank her for me. I know that I need to find others to talk to who have left but in this little town of 200 it’s kinda hard. I’m an apostate and they keep telling me they’ll sit with me if I’ll come back. No thanks. John, I’ve listened to so many of your interviews. I wish I could just sit with you and feel accepted for 5 minutes! But I’m 3 hours south of Salt Lake. Maybe some day. Until then I lean on you and your awesome guests. Thanks!
Hey, there are probably more folks in your town who feel like you do that you think. And with the internet, chatting with an exmo is easy! Look on social media, you will find something.
How many takers did she have from guys??? She's so beautiful and articulate I bet she was bombarded! This is my story to a large extent. I was the daughter of a cultist preacher. Our small church borrowed heavily from the same writers that the Mormon church did. We were considered part of "mainstream" Christianity so it was easier to some extent but I knew as a small child we didn't have the corner on the market on truth and we weren't the only Christians, not by a long shot. I've been out for years and have actually studied my way into the Catholic Church, mainly just reading Church history. Please no judgement on that as I've done my homework and have determined what to me is truth. I am surrounded by Mormons living in rural Wyoming and am always interested in their stories.
Mary Clifford I totally agree. It's really hard when you realise how much time you have given. 😞 So nice when you leave though and your time is your own! 🙆♀️
I feel like she’s telling my story. I was so unhappy in my marriage- severely depressed, suicidal ideation… after 17 years I decided I’d rather go to hell then stay in the marriage- I finally filed for divorce. My stake president told everyone I was “ just a bored housewife” and I was lucky to have the husband I had and that if I divorced I’d suffer heart ache and sorrow the rest of my life. I went through with divorce- was dis fellowshiped for a decade- Just like this sweet lady, my then x was diagnosed with stage 4 esophageal cancer. I took care of him till he took his last breath.
I agree that the church does lose a lot of bright people but this woman struck me as a typical air head gold digger who was once attractive. Listening to her interview, I wanted to like her but she did not sound that intelligent, she sounded like a 50 year old woman who still thinks she is 20. When she was describing who she is interested in dating she basically was implying she wants a man who is established in his career (read, money) and who is not an alpha male (read, she wants to wear the pants in the relationship) She is just looking for any random guy to finance HER lifestyle while she gives him nothing in return. Remember how in this interview she stopped having sex with her husband? She wanted zero expectations on her, but had plenty of expectations of her future man.
@@tyronebiggums1047 wow, talk about judging a book by its cover. You are demonstrably wrong, I'm going to call you a jerk, but feel free to change my mind.
@@acetrades1524 you are welcome to call me a jerk but I am only going by how she presented herself. I am sure if some man was being interviewed and he was like, "I want a woman who is sexually attractive and is submissive and doesn't talk back too much" I'm sure you would not think highly of that man. Based on this womans own words, she appears very selfish and very superficial.
@@acetrades1524 It was a multi part interview that lasted hours. Sorry, i'm not going back and sifting through the interview to prove to you she said those things (that she stopped having sex with her husband. That she wanted an "established" man. That she didn't want an alpha male (meaning she wants to wear the pants in the relationship) and so on) She did say those things, watch the interview like I did.
Chelsea Shattuck how long have you been going through this? I have left two years ago and it was very difficult. life is great now though! 🙆♀️ I hope you have all the support you need. ❤️❤️❤️
Chelsea I also left Jehovah’s Witnesses 12 yrs ago and after the shock of realizing I had been duped for 20 yrs and have worked through the stages of grief and now still find stories if others still very helpful. I encourage all to keep their dignity and trust their gut and put love for all above trusting in mere mortals. I do help others that come my way to do the same. It does get easier as time goes on and work through the stages of loss💕
To God, this lady is on a pedestal. 26:15. Her story enriches so many people's lives. I wish she does finally find peace and love, she deserves them fully.
The Church needs to print the historical truths…all the diaries, histories…people can choose to place importance where they are comfortable…total transparency in all things would strengthen the organization…realign their excuse and authority for being… it has a great family system… but the pressure/guilt needs to go
It was a lonely experience for me, being introverted and not having a friend network. I was the only one in my family to leave. I'm in the 6th generation since our ancestors Joseph & Polly Knight were in the first LDS ward in 1830. That was a lot of pressure to push back against in order to make my own way.
What an epic account of a family. All came from a zealous father and husband who built his life upon his religion and church. He was crushingly domineering and abusive to his family in its name. As a result, his children paid the price. They had some heady experiences through the church but ultimately the children suffered through failed marriages, mental illness and ultimately separation from their father’s faith. I found this a profoundly sad story.
Lila Tueller certainly glows as a beautiful person inside and out in this beautiful podcast. The honesty of her telling is riveting and so filled with uplifting moments and beauty, while grappling with life's imperfections. I'm of the same generation, and my parents were also tracked out and converted to the Church as a young couple. My parents also became utterly devout for the rest of their lives and brought a pure quality of love and commitment to their children due to their LDS practice that I'm pretty certain would not have been quite the same had they not chosen to live as members. Also, similarly, my parents were never remotely perfect; I'd dare to say from the story given that my parents were in certain respects much worse at parenting than Lila's. And that's kind of funny, isn't it, because Lila was at such cross-ends to explain why her parents were both terrific parents but also unfortunately lacking in some unpleasant ways that can be too easily pointed too. And while that's hard to explain I can certainly, from my own childhood, relate very well. But the outcome was seemingly different.. 5of5 of us children sealed in the Temple, with children and all still active and it's been a long and uneven road but all seemingly growing more happy by the year now that decades have passed. (for me not until the 2nd Temple marriage) But speaking of gut feelings, must say, there is something too dark here. I have read a good amount of LDS lit & history, favorable & not, and conclusions aren't I believe so easy. I noticed Rough Stone Rolling on the shelf behind Dehlin, and in ways I believe it's become a go-to book for "the facts" for those with dissenting feelings. But Bushman's own feelings have never been dissenting to my knowledge. So what does that tell you? He was my stake patriarch for many years. And I think if anything he held himself above the "embellishing" tendency in story telling with a total seriousness. After so many confirmations of faith from life's journey what is it to turn away from faith? But I get it, prayers are not always answered and sometimes it seems all pointless. If anything, I'd have to find evil faults among members to be completely unsurprising.. otherwise why Judas? It's sad, but it's just precisely predicted in the BoM.
Ah, I just found out about this interview. Hi, Lila. My father was bishop of Fairfax ward when you guys lived there. I was one of your dad's seminary students. I (and everyone else) had a crush on Laura and most of us guys wanted to be Kirk. There's a photo from '68 or '69 of a party at our SLC house with a bunch of teens and BYU students from the old ward, including Kirk, Cathy and Laura. So many years and changed lives ago. Glad to learn you're happy. Sorry about Danny.
Interesting interview. But as a scientist, engineer, and published author, I would like to enlighten folks a bit on modern science in the Book of Abraham. The verses in Chapter 3 regarding Kolob and set time perfectly describe what’s called “time dilation” in the language of physics - specifically general relativity. Set time is called “proper time” in physics. Proper time (set time) varies with the strength of the gravitational field in which it is measured. Strong gravitational fields, such as exist in the vicinity of a “great star” (e.g., Kolob) warp space and slow the passing of time. I explain this in detail in my book “Faith and Physics,” in which I also identify Kolob. But only a prophet could have known these principles in Joseph’s day, 73 years before Einstein discovered general relativity.
I did the same with my transition from Mormonism to evangelical Christianity. But then listening and reading Bart Ehrman Finkelstein (The Bible Unearthed) and reading the gospels horizontally revealing contradictions.
Thinking is good! Learning the history of the Bible books is good. It kind of does away with the literalism which goes with fundamentalism. The more you widen the scope of your learning, the closer you will come to truth and reality, if that's what you want.
@@noelhausler2911 I understand completely! It's hard to be authentic when people judge you as being of the "saved" or "blind". When I tell people that I'm a Baha'i, they usually don't know which box to put me in, except they know that I'm not in their box. And when I tell them that I first learned of Baha'i in Salt Lake City, they're not sure what to make of it. I like to be honest with people and most people do respect honesty. And you never know what people really believe deep down. A lot of people have had doubts that they've pushed down and tried to forget. They know which words to say to please their family and friends, but they won't say what they really think.
John, We need an update....Did she find her soulmate? Happily ever after? It sounds like she deserves some upside to this life. Lets be honest its a tall order, The requirements were 50+... but not too old, energetic, Honest, Kind, Mature, Financially Secure, Has to Cry and be vulnerable, not macho, in touch with his emotions, has to be able to cry...No Alpha Males, preferably with Kids so he understands what parenthood is like and the dedications it takes. Not Mormon or Active Mormon..No mixed faith relationship. If so can we get them back on the podcast...It would be a great story..
It's interesting that she says she couldn't go to Relief Society because she didn't feel like she fit, yet as a single women, she treated me the same way for years. Her husband helped to mentor my son and when I would pick him up she ignored me. She wouldn't even speak to me. She was in the "clique" of women in the ward that acted like they were too good for me. I left the ward in 2010. I am very sorry she has had a difficult time though.
Goes to show you never know what anyone's going through! She seems quite humble and I think she would have enough awareness to regret that she treated you that way because she ended up having the exact same experience and now knows what it feels like. By the way I was born and raised Mormon temple married BYU student but I left the church in my mid-20s (many years ago) and it changed my path and set me free to create a life that resonates deeply with My soul ... I wish you all the very very best in your own authentic journey 💜
I wonder why no mention of Patti in this story. I don't mean to cause any contention with the Rector family. But it was obvious that in his last few years of his life that Hartman and Patti were quite in love. Patti recently passed on herself. She and Hartman were both widower and widow when they met.
In Utah, the 20th century started with an abundance of women that were available as a result of the dissolution of polygamy. In the early part of the 21st century there is an abundance of available women that have left their husbands as a result of the dissolution of their faith in the Church. Very interesting interview and unique insights.
Polygamy is not of God Joseph Smith, Jr. and also Emma (Hale) Smith both denied polygamy until the day that they died. One such example is found in the Doctrine & Covenants in both the 1835 and the 1844 editions. That doctrine is found in sections 101:4 and 109:4 respectively. It says, "Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again." Another example where God did not command that polygamy be practiced is found in the fact that God commanded His people with certain commandments concerning the kings in Israel. Those commandments are found in Deuteronomy chapter 17 verses 14-20 (especially verse 17). Here it is for your convenience: "14 When thou art come unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me; 15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose; one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother. 16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses; forasmuch as the Lord hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way. 17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away; neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold. 18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites; 19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life; that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them; 20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left; to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel." In 1 Kings 11:3-6, was evidence that the kings didn't follow the commands of God as found above in Deuteronomy. It says, "3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart. 4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, and it became as the heart of David his father. 5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, as David his father, and went not fully after the Lord." A second witness can be found in the Book of Mormon in Jacob chapter 1 verses 15-16, which says, "15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old, desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son: 16 Yea, and they also began to search much gold and silver, and began to be lifted up somewhat in pride;" This stands in the face of the LDS D&C 132 that says that David nor Solomon sinned against God by practicing polygamy (multiplying wives). Therefore, this revelation that was 'claimed' to be from Joseph Smith, Jr. is false doctrine. To access the 1835 and 1844 Doctrine and Covenants, here are the directions: 1. Go to www.josephsmithpapers.org/ and click on "The Papers" in the black banner at the top. 2. In the center column click on "published revelations (7)". 3. In the right column click on either "Doctrine and Covenants, 1835" or "Doctrine and Covenants, 1844". 4. Now click on the down arrow next to "Table of Contents" and scroll down to the bottom. 5. In the 1835 it is the 6th from the bottom, and in 1844 it is the 4th from the bottom. 6. Click on "Statement on Marriage" and scroll down to verse 4. (in the 1844, you need to go to the next page to the right). This article says what I have said, and much more: facebook.com/notes/manofgod1830org-defending-joseph-smith/thou-shalt-not-lie-he-that-lieth-and-will-not-repent-shall-be-cast-out/371441066656625/ If anyone can refute this and prove with primary sources that Joseph Smith was actually a polygamist, I would love to hear from you.
Sophia Kaster do you mean to contribute to Mormon Stories? If you do then you can go onto MormonStories.org and you can donate on there. I hope this helps 😊
I could criticize for the next 12 hours or more on the moron cult , but to refer to the positive. It great to hear that early mormonism kept her from pregnancy , drugs , alcohol etc. For I have to be hat I am very greatful. Love your videos John. I need to figure out how I can give financilly. My computer knowledge is limited , but that will change over time. Best wishes & thank you so much.
@@davidfrey5654 “During our evening conversations [in his youth], Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them.” - Lucy Mack Smith He definitely had the talent to do so. Just because you or I don’t have that ability doesn’t mean it’s impossible for someone else to have the natural ability to tell stories and even include religious messages in those stories (religious topics being discussed all the time in his environment growing up.)
The GUT "feeling" is not the same thing as a bonfire in the BOOSOM! Surely the gut registration is "transcendent ," even tho language falls short. But, we do know that serotonin is 90% +- metabolized IN THE GUT, & it's the METABOLITE therefrom that is so vital to BRAIN function. When your guts start bleeding, LISTEN. TO. THAT. MESSAGE. Because it means they have been ignored to their last resort!!!!! And you won't understand this distinction unless/until you have experienced it. (Or unless you are intelligent enough to consider the physiology of depression, particularly Reactive Depression. BRAVA! beautiful sister!🌈 BRAVA! And You don't have to keep worrying about your paints & brushes; the truth of earth is ugly. But unpurrtty TRUTH cannot be compared to perky pretense. Crucifixion ain't pretty; isn't dignified; will never attract the "wholesome" crowd. 🌈
So, John's not going to say anything about the fact she looks 25 yrs younger? What is her diet and apparently stress does not age as previously reported.
Those things she mentioned about why she left and the top one was the exact same thing for me.. i have a new two words for it.. the church lies and Deceit.. Spiritual Adultery!
One of your followers is parroting your "evidence" back to you and you agree with her. Part of the basis for her disbelief is your words. This process is called knowledge incest. But the wheat and tares are being separated. The Church is being cleansed because of you, you're performing an important function in strengthening the Church. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth saith the Lord. First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house... And just because you decide not to believe something, doesn't mean you can pitch your integrity with impunity. I made promises in my fraternity that I will not violate, which is not even linked to my potential salvation. Because of integrity. Those promises you mock? Not honorable even if you decide it's false.
@@Utcalwr I'm not sure I understand; you're bound to conduct yourself according to beliefs even after they're discovered to be false? And is a fraternity akin to a religion for you?
No alpha males? It's too bad having the epiphany phase at 60's. There is still looong way to go to settle on a guy you actually want. The next beta male will be just another bus stop, poor guy..
Lila Tueller has guts to lay her life story out there like that for the whole world to see. I just watcher all four episodes transfixed by her courage and beauty. Raised in the faith in SLC attending Skyline High School and the UofU, I am stunned that the daughter of a General Authority has healed herself sufficiently to calmly tell us her heartbreaking story. God bless you Lila.
"No matter how good the church is now, the well is poisoned. I do not want to drink from it". Spot on.
Once again. Good work 👏
Oh my gosh, this story broke my heart - she is TRULY an Angel. . Tell her thank you so much for sharing her story.
I just love her demeanor. She’s very respectful and talks about the positives even though her life had incredible hardships!! Thank you Lila for taking time to share your story, it’s helped me a lot
This needs to be broadcasted everywhere, shown to everyone. It's amazing, and raw and genuine. I've never heard an experience in the church spoken so openly and bluntly. People NEED to hear Lila's story
Thank you!!!
@@lilatueller listen to Jessie Czebotar
Lila you look like you are 35! Thanks for being so authentic and real. Your story touched me very much.
Botox works wonders.
She looks older than 35 but not 60. More like 45.
Not what is important here. Who gives a rip how she looks.
Lila, wonderful story. Thxs for sharing. Brave, intelligent, and balanced. That is what should be discussed.
Apparently quite a few people give a rip. There are a ton of comments about her looks.
Big deal. She's remarkably good looking for her age. Why do you care that people point that out?
@@OmahaAreaLoya We have someone spilling her guts out and folks (you included) choose to comment about her looks?? I can explain it to you why that is a problem, but I can't understand it for you. And something tells me you truly don't get it.
I binged all 4 parts. So many feels. In case y'all reading comments to 3 yr old videos: This has been very cathartic for me. I honestly have had a lot of resentment in my soul for Hartman Rector Jr... because even on my mission in the mid 70's, I hated the blacks being blocked. I used Elder Rector Junior's teachings to teach others the "less valiant" myth, on my mission and subsequently as a Gospel Doctrine teacher.
This story has helped me see a different side to him, and to the GA's and their families. I've finally come to peace with Elder HRJ. Thank you, Lila. Your story and mine have some similarities. I appreciate your vulnerability so much.
after 30 years of being outcast, listening to another inner family member's journey is a weight lifted. thank you for sharing. this is as close as i will get to a conversations with my tbm sisters.
What a beautiful and wonderful lady ! Love this inspiring story 💗
Anyone who lives for the church pays a huge price in time and emotional trial. There are so many in the church who are depressed and anxious because they feel like all they can do is still not enough and or done well enough. The church seems to give the impression that they have the market cornered on goodness and service. Not so. Never was so. There is a lot of happiness and joy to experience and share without feeling guilty for not doing enough. Without being judged by anyone but the the Lord.
I've said for a long time there is no positive reenforcement in 3 hours of church every sunday. It was just 3 hours of every thing you're not doing and everything you should be doing. EQ was an absolute beat down every sunday. Always came out feeling totally lost and frustrated. I'd spend 2 hours in traffic and 1 hour in EQ and feel more stressed after EQ than traffic.
The truth is that God will not be your judge. You will be your own judge.
@@randyjordan5521 and that is why Moronism is a cult
That's the eye of the beholder
Another riveting, well told, heartfelt story. Thank you all so much. Best wishes.
Lila is a beautiful lady inside and out. She is a Godly example to others. God bless her and stay strong. What a great podcast with Lila.
Lila is a gorgeous person inside and out and I bet she will find love and a beautiful new chapter at the perfect moment in time ❤
I was a receptionist at BYU Idaho for a few years. John Rector was more reserved and kept to himself but he was one of the highly requested counselors. Many of the more complex cases for clients wanted to see him. Seems like he must have been enlightened for a long time
Lila, you're an incredible human being. Thank you so much for sharing your journe! You have not ideia how much you've helped me with your interview while I'm going through my faith crisis. You're are inteligente, gorgeous, humble and very charismatic lady. May your life always be blessed with all your heart desires. Thank you so much John and everyone working with you for helping us out during this delicate time. Let's support the show!
She is just a brave and beautiful lady. Wish her have a abosultely happy life without the mormon influence.
Lila! What a beautiful, down-to-Earth, dynamic lady! Thank you for your testimony! Great interview & new set! Just fantastic! 👍🏽❤️👍🏽❤️
ExJW Born-in I totally agree. She was very genuine and very interesting to listen too. 😊❤️
Thank you!
Create Paradise thank you!
Thank you so much for this interview! 🤗
Thank you Lila for doing these interviews. I was so connected with Emma, I felt there was a big problem, and when I listened to the Year of Polygamy podcasts with Lindsay, I just ran right out of the church aged 70. That was in 2015. Thank God I'm out, I pity my grandchildren but I have to just believe they'll be OK. Then it was Rough Stone Rolling, the Gospel Topics Essays. I needed therapy. I am so grateful for the pioneers like John and Lindsay and Jeremy. Thank you so much. 💜 💜
John and Lila, it has been very interesting and good listening to both of You. Very eye opening for many people to realize and know what is going on in the Mormon Church. Thanks again.
Thank you for sharing. I needed to hear this. I've been out of the church for two years. Each story empowers me, especially this one.
Lisa Peterson I have been out two years too! Congratulations! 🥳🙆♀️ I know is what you mean, it's is very empowering to hear other people stories. 😊
Really great interview. Thanks. I listened to the whole thing over a period of 2 days and I wanted to hear the whole thing.
There are some 1 hour interviews that I turn off after 20 minutes because there's no depth.This interview had a lot of depth and a lot of insight. Thank you Lila for sharing your story.
John, your podcasts are the most genuine and revealing and touching that I have come across. There's a lot to be said to let people tell their stories without abridging them. I have been a big fan now for 8 months (starting with #1110-1111 which I found after the NY Times article) and also loved the crossover podcasts with Chris Shelton. I am a never Mormon although I investigated in the 1980's. You are a saint and as resilient as this guest, Lila.
I'm a never Mormon just like you! I guess I'm not the only one who finds these stories fascinating even without having a Mormon background. Maybe it's because many people have had a Mormon experience due to the missionaries, even if they never embraced the Mormon Church.
All of a sudden you are free and have more free time amen to that
I can't believe how much your story sounds like mine, minus the GA dad. I've been really stuck in the sad/mad stage and your advice to not stay stuck, but to push through and find the positive really hit me. There is a lot to be happy about. Thanks for your story.
Well, I've been afraid of changing
'Cause I've built my life around you
But time makes you bolder
Even children get older
And I'm gettin' older, too
(Fleetwood Mac - Landslide)
Lila this is an amazing story. Your bravery and vulnerability is astounding and so promising. It was great meeting you at Sunstone and seeing your fabrics too. You are so talented. I too started binging in 2019. I haven’t looked back. Never felt so relieved to be out of the anger stage. I only wish I lived closer to Utah to be able to participate in more thrive events. Hope to see you at Sunstone next year too. Just followed your insta today so I can continue to see your beautiful family, fabrics and story.
On a funny note my new critical thinking book didn’t come on Monday. I had set aside Monday for reading it even though I was delayed getting home a day by cancelled flights. I was secretly bummed but excited to read it today. Still no book. Silly first world problem.
This is such a great story! So many great elements of discovery, twists and turns, healing and looking ahead to a great future. I enjoyed the tidbits on finding support when you're introverted. Our energy is just different and can get exhausted with too much people time. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for being real and sharing your story.
What a beautiful person Lila is!! Inside and out!! I can’t hardly believe she is as old as she says! I hung on every word for the four hours! Parts of her life sound like mine. I left the church 4 years ago and have not stepped foot in since. Yet, my husband has been ward clerk for 7 years! He says my parents and grandparents (all deceased) are ashamed of me and I’m following the devil and I’ll be sorry. It breaks my heart! Everything I try to tell him just infuriates him and he sends me mounds of church info. He says Joseph admits that he was not a perfect man. WHAT??? So that excuses everything???? And the kick in the arse is that I converted him 46 years ago before I would marry him! I learned so much from Lila. Please thank her for me. I know that I need to find others to talk to who have left but in this little town of 200 it’s kinda hard. I’m an apostate and they keep telling me they’ll sit with me if I’ll come back. No thanks. John, I’ve listened to so many of your interviews. I wish I could just sit with you and feel accepted for 5 minutes! But I’m 3 hours south of Salt Lake. Maybe some day. Until then I lean on you and your awesome guests. Thanks!
Hey, there are probably more folks in your town who feel like you do that you think. And with the internet, chatting with an exmo is easy! Look on social media, you will find something.
Ace Trades Thanks Ace
I have learned so much from Lila She is a Beautiful Brave woman. Thank you
How many takers did she have from guys??? She's so beautiful and articulate I bet she was bombarded! This is my story to a large extent. I was the daughter of a cultist preacher. Our small church borrowed heavily from the same writers that the Mormon church did. We were considered part of "mainstream" Christianity so it was easier to some extent but I knew as a small child we didn't have the corner on the market on truth and we weren't the only Christians, not by a long shot. I've been out for years and have actually studied my way into the Catholic Church, mainly just reading Church history. Please no judgement on that as I've done my homework and have determined what to me is truth. I am surrounded by Mormons living in rural Wyoming and am always interested in their stories.
Wow at 32:00-33:00 minutes that so resonates with me. I had given sooooo incredibly much to this organization. No more...so sad...
Mary Clifford I totally agree. It's really hard when you realise how much time you have given. 😞 So nice when you leave though and your time is your own! 🙆♀️
One amazing story! Thank you for sharing and may you continue with your new found happiness.
Thank you for saying things that many of us don’t have the courage to say!
I feel like she’s telling my story. I was so unhappy in my marriage- severely depressed, suicidal ideation… after 17 years I decided I’d rather go to hell then stay in the marriage- I finally filed for divorce. My stake president told everyone I was “ just a bored housewife” and I was lucky to have the husband I had and that if I divorced I’d suffer heart ache and sorrow the rest of my life. I went through with divorce- was dis fellowshiped for a decade- Just like this sweet lady, my then x was diagnosed with stage 4 esophageal cancer. I took care of him till he took his last breath.
You talked about Lila coming back. I'd love to see that!
Yet one more great example of the church losing its best and brightest.
I agree that the church does lose a lot of bright people but this woman struck me as a typical air head gold digger who was once attractive. Listening to her interview, I wanted to like her but she did not sound that intelligent, she sounded like a 50 year old woman who still thinks she is 20. When she was describing who she is interested in dating she basically was implying she wants a man who is established in his career (read, money) and who is not an alpha male (read, she wants to wear the pants in the relationship) She is just looking for any random guy to finance HER lifestyle while she gives him nothing in return. Remember how in this interview she stopped having sex with her husband? She wanted zero expectations on her, but had plenty of expectations of her future man.
@@tyronebiggums1047 wow, talk about judging a book by its cover. You are demonstrably wrong, I'm going to call you a jerk, but feel free to change my mind.
@@acetrades1524 you are welcome to call me a jerk but I am only going by how she presented herself. I am sure if some man was being interviewed and he was like, "I want a woman who is sexually attractive and is submissive and doesn't talk back too much" I'm sure you would not think highly of that man. Based on this womans own words, she appears very selfish and very superficial.
@@tyronebiggums1047 and just when did she say those words?
@@acetrades1524 It was a multi part interview that lasted hours. Sorry, i'm not going back and sifting through the interview to prove to you she said those things (that she stopped having sex with her husband. That she wanted an "established" man. That she didn't want an alpha male (meaning she wants to wear the pants in the relationship) and so on)
She did say those things, watch the interview like I did.
Really grateful for these stories. Sadly going through a similar situation as Lila.
Chelsea Shattuck how long have you been going through this? I have left two years ago and it was very difficult. life is great now though! 🙆♀️ I hope you have all the support you need. ❤️❤️❤️
Chelsea I also left Jehovah’s Witnesses 12 yrs ago and after the shock of realizing I had been duped for 20 yrs and have worked through the stages of grief and now still find stories if others still very helpful. I encourage all to keep their dignity and trust their gut and put love for all above trusting in mere mortals. I do help others that come my way to do the same. It does get easier as time goes on and work through the stages of loss💕
Loved Lila’s story
Great interview!!!
To God, this lady is on a pedestal. 26:15. Her story enriches so many people's lives. I wish she does finally find peace and love, she deserves them fully.
wonderful episode
John, thank you for your channel!
The Church needs to print the historical truths…all the diaries, histories…people can choose to place importance where they are comfortable…total transparency in all things would strengthen the organization…realign their excuse and authority for being… it has a great family system… but the pressure/guilt needs to go
Appreciate the discussion, items I've long thought about.
Leaving the church is the loneliest journey, and devastating reality check.
Heathenwon it is but in the end it's worth it. 😊
martin crespo not at all.
Sal Brothman so true. I’m so glad I don’t drink that kook aid anymore.
It was a lonely experience for me, being introverted and not having a friend network. I was the only one in my family to leave. I'm in the 6th generation since our ancestors Joseph & Polly Knight were in the first LDS ward in 1830. That was a lot of pressure to push back against in order to make my own way.
My grandma saw angels coming to get her before she actually passed. I believe in near death experiences for sure.
Sorry about your grandmother. I would add that a dying brain probably isn't the most reliable one...
Scientists have proven that the dying brain can NOT replicate the NDE experience.
What an epic account of a family. All came from a zealous father and husband who built his life upon his religion and church. He was crushingly domineering and abusive to his family in its name. As a result, his children paid the price. They had some heady experiences through the church but ultimately the children suffered through failed marriages, mental illness and ultimately separation from their father’s faith. I found this a profoundly sad story.
This is an incredible brave story of reality …
Lila Tueller certainly glows as a beautiful person inside and out in this beautiful podcast.
The honesty of her telling is riveting and so filled with uplifting moments and beauty, while grappling with life's imperfections.
I'm of the same generation, and my parents were also tracked out and converted to the Church as a young couple. My parents also became utterly devout for the rest of their lives and brought a pure quality of love and commitment to their children due to their LDS practice that I'm pretty certain would not have been quite the same had they not chosen to live as members. Also, similarly, my parents were never remotely perfect; I'd dare to say from the story given that my parents were in certain respects much worse at parenting than Lila's. And that's kind of funny, isn't it, because Lila was at such cross-ends to explain why her parents were both terrific parents but also unfortunately lacking in some unpleasant ways that can be too easily pointed too. And while that's hard to explain I can certainly, from my own childhood, relate very well.
But the outcome was seemingly different.. 5of5 of us children sealed in the Temple, with children and all still active and it's been a long and uneven road but all seemingly growing more happy by the year now that decades have passed. (for me not until the 2nd Temple marriage)
But speaking of gut feelings, must say, there is something too dark here.
I have read a good amount of LDS lit & history, favorable & not, and conclusions aren't I believe so easy.
I noticed Rough Stone Rolling on the shelf behind Dehlin, and in ways I believe it's become a go-to book for "the facts" for those with dissenting feelings. But Bushman's own feelings have never been dissenting to my knowledge. So what does that tell you? He was my stake patriarch for many years. And I think if anything he held himself above the "embellishing" tendency in story telling with a total seriousness.
After so many confirmations of faith from life's journey what is it to turn away from faith? But I get it, prayers are not always answered and sometimes it seems all pointless. If anything, I'd have to find evil faults among members to be completely unsurprising.. otherwise why Judas? It's sad, but it's just precisely predicted in the BoM.
Awesome Interview John!
I love this woman. Gorgeous from the inside out.
Ah, I just found out about this interview. Hi, Lila. My father was bishop of Fairfax ward when you guys lived there. I was one of your dad's seminary students. I (and everyone else) had a crush on Laura and most of us guys wanted to be Kirk. There's a photo from '68 or '69 of a party at our SLC house with a bunch of teens and BYU students from the old ward, including Kirk, Cathy and Laura. So many years and changed lives ago. Glad to learn you're happy. Sorry about Danny.
Dying is easy, it's living that's hard.........
Interesting interview. But as a scientist, engineer, and published author, I would like to enlighten folks a bit on modern science in the Book of Abraham. The verses in Chapter 3 regarding Kolob and set time perfectly describe what’s called “time dilation” in the language of physics - specifically general relativity. Set time is called “proper time” in physics. Proper time (set time) varies with the strength of the gravitational field in which it is measured. Strong gravitational fields, such as exist in the vicinity of a “great star” (e.g., Kolob) warp space and slow the passing of time. I explain this in detail in my book “Faith and Physics,” in which I also identify Kolob. But only a prophet could have known these principles in Joseph’s day, 73 years before Einstein discovered general relativity.
An intelligent and beautiful woman. Thank you for sharing.
I had to wind it back when she said she’s 58. Wasn’t sure I heard that right.
I did the same with my transition from Mormonism to evangelical Christianity. But then listening and reading Bart Ehrman Finkelstein (The Bible Unearthed) and reading the gospels horizontally revealing contradictions.
Thinking is good! Learning the history of the Bible books is good. It kind of does away with the literalism which goes with fundamentalism. The more you widen the scope of your learning, the closer you will come to truth and reality, if that's what you want.
@@harlanlang6556 I find it hard especially around fundamentalist Christians who are my wife's friends. The road to truth can be a lonely journey.
@@noelhausler2911 I understand completely! It's hard to be authentic when people judge you as being of the "saved" or "blind". When I tell people that I'm a Baha'i, they usually don't know which box to put me in, except they know that I'm not in their box. And when I tell them that I first learned of Baha'i in Salt Lake City, they're not sure what to make of it. I like to be honest with people and most people do respect honesty. And you never know what people really believe deep down. A lot of people have had doubts that they've pushed down and tried to forget. They know which words to say to please their family and friends, but they won't say what they really think.
Awesome!!!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
John, We need an update....Did she find her soulmate? Happily ever after? It sounds like she deserves some upside to this life. Lets be honest its a tall order, The requirements were 50+... but not too old, energetic, Honest, Kind, Mature, Financially Secure, Has to Cry and be vulnerable, not macho, in touch with his emotions, has to be able to cry...No Alpha Males, preferably with Kids so he understands what parenthood is like and the dedications it takes. Not Mormon or Active Mormon..No mixed faith relationship. If so can we get them back on the podcast...It would be a great story..
It's interesting that she says she couldn't go to Relief Society because she didn't feel like she fit, yet as a single women, she treated me the same way for years. Her husband helped to mentor my son and when I would pick him up she ignored me. She wouldn't even speak to me. She was in the "clique" of women in the ward that acted like they were too good for me. I left the ward in 2010. I am very sorry she has had a difficult time though.
Goes to show you never know what anyone's going through! She seems quite humble and I think she would have enough awareness to regret that she treated you that way because she ended up having the exact same experience and now knows what it feels like.
By the way I was born and raised Mormon temple married BYU student but I left the church in my mid-20s (many years ago) and it changed my path and set me free to create a life that resonates deeply with My soul ... I wish you all the very very best in your own authentic journey 💜
I now have an inappropriate but manageable crush on Lila, Sandra Tanner and Kween Fawn Brodie. Thanks, John. 😂
If you Google Lila, you will find that she is a well known fabric designer.
I wonder why no mention of Patti in this story. I don't mean to cause any contention with the Rector family. But it was obvious that in his last few years of his life that Hartman and Patti were quite in love. Patti recently passed on herself. She and Hartman were both widower and widow when they met.
In Utah, the 20th century started with an abundance of women that were available as a result of the dissolution of polygamy. In the early part of the 21st century there is an abundance of available women that have left their husbands as a result of the dissolution of their faith in the Church. Very interesting interview and unique insights.
Polygamy is not of God
Joseph Smith, Jr. and also Emma (Hale) Smith both denied polygamy until the day that they died. One such example is found in the Doctrine & Covenants in both the 1835 and the 1844 editions. That doctrine is found in sections 101:4 and 109:4 respectively. It says, "Inasmuch as this Church of Christ has been reproached with the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe that one man should have one wife; and one woman but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at liberty to marry again."
Another example where God did not command that polygamy be practiced is found in the fact that God commanded His people with certain commandments concerning the kings in Israel. Those commandments are found in Deuteronomy chapter 17 verses 14-20 (especially verse 17). Here it is for your convenience:
"14 When thou art come unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose; one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee; thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses; forasmuch as the Lord hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away; neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites;
19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life; that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them;
20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left; to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel."
In 1 Kings 11:3-6, was evidence that the kings didn't follow the commands of God as found above in Deuteronomy. It says,
"3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines; and his wives turned away his heart.
4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, his wives turned away his heart after other gods; and his heart was not perfect with the Lord his God, and it became as the heart of David his father.
5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the Lord, as David his father, and went not fully after the Lord."
A second witness can be found in the Book of Mormon in Jacob chapter 1 verses 15-16, which says,
"15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in wicked practices, such as like unto David of old, desiring many wives and concubines, and also Solomon, his son:
16 Yea, and they also began to search much gold and silver, and began to be lifted up somewhat in pride;"
This stands in the face of the LDS D&C 132 that says that David nor Solomon sinned against God by practicing polygamy (multiplying wives). Therefore, this revelation that was 'claimed' to be from Joseph Smith, Jr. is false doctrine.
To access the 1835 and 1844 Doctrine and Covenants, here are the directions: 1. Go to www.josephsmithpapers.org/ and click on "The Papers" in the black banner at the top. 2. In the center column click on "published revelations (7)". 3. In the right column click on either "Doctrine and Covenants, 1835" or "Doctrine and Covenants, 1844". 4. Now click on the down arrow next to "Table of Contents" and scroll down to the bottom. 5. In the 1835 it is the 6th from the bottom, and in 1844 it is the 4th from the bottom. 6. Click on "Statement on Marriage" and scroll down to verse 4. (in the 1844, you need to go to the next page to the right).
This article says what I have said, and much more: facebook.com/notes/manofgod1830org-defending-joseph-smith/thou-shalt-not-lie-he-that-lieth-and-will-not-repent-shall-be-cast-out/371441066656625/
If anyone can refute this and prove with primary sources that Joseph Smith was actually a polygamist, I would love to hear from you.
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Sophia Kaster do you mean to contribute to Mormon Stories? If you do then you can go onto MormonStories.org and you can donate on there. I hope this helps 😊
I have no one. I even tried to tell y'all my story. There has been zero response. I am alone
I'm in Rexburg idaho. We're can I find my "peeps" ?? Are you here ? Help?
You can find them on reddit for sure!
I could criticize for the next 12 hours or more on the moron cult , but to refer to the positive. It great to hear that early mormonism kept her from pregnancy , drugs , alcohol etc.
For I have to be hat I am very greatful.
Love your videos John.
I need to
figure out how I can give financilly.
My computer knowledge is limited ,
but that will change over time.
Best wishes & thank you so much.
E,all me! mormonstories@gmail.com
I have a great marriage. My husband and I are so happy. I was hoping that was a good thing for our 5 kids to see. Now I'm kind of worried 😬
Don’t be too worried... just let them see conflict and resolution:)
How does sealing work past one generation...if you are sealed to your parents and your spouse is sealed how do you rule your planet...etc.
So in these two months has she gone on any dates through Mormon stories? 🙂
As if that's your business. Inappropriate.
She didn't say how she left..... resignation or excommunication? Also, what are her beliefs now.... believe in Jesus, God?
I’m sure you said, but how many of your siblings left the Church?
Four
We used to call him Hartman Rectum Jr.
I had high hopes. But I've never had children so I guess that counts me out
Did she find someone after this?
How could Joseph write such a profound book. Did he have the talent to do so ?
@@davidfrey5654 “During our evening conversations [in his youth], Joseph would occasionally give us some of the most amusing recitals that could be imagined. He would describe the ancient inhabitants of this continent, their dress, mode of traveling, and the animals upon which they rode; their cities, their buildings, with every particular; their mode of warfare; and also their religious worship. This he would do with as much ease, seemingly, as if he had spent his whole life among them.” - Lucy Mack Smith
He definitely had the talent to do so. Just because you or I don’t have that ability doesn’t mean it’s impossible for someone else to have the natural ability to tell stories and even include religious messages in those stories (religious topics being discussed all the time in his environment growing up.)
There are multiple books he copied from. “View of the Hebrews” is one. “The First Book of Napoleon” the second.
Curious if she found someone!
This lady is very nice, but, let's admit it, she has a very normal life.
✌😎👍
The GUT "feeling" is not the same thing as a bonfire in the BOOSOM! Surely the gut registration is "transcendent ," even tho language falls short. But, we do know that serotonin is 90% +- metabolized IN THE GUT, & it's the METABOLITE therefrom that is so vital to BRAIN function. When your guts start bleeding, LISTEN. TO. THAT. MESSAGE. Because it means they have been ignored to their last resort!!!!! And you won't understand this distinction unless/until you have experienced it. (Or unless you are intelligent enough to consider the physiology of depression, particularly Reactive Depression. BRAVA! beautiful sister!🌈 BRAVA! And You don't have to keep worrying about your paints & brushes; the truth of earth is ugly. But unpurrtty TRUTH cannot be compared to perky pretense. Crucifixion ain't pretty; isn't dignified; will never attract the "wholesome" crowd. 🌈
So, John's not going to say anything about the fact she looks 25 yrs younger? What is her diet and apparently stress does not age as previously reported.
Those things she mentioned about why she left and the top one was the exact same thing for me.. i have a new two words for it.. the church lies and Deceit.. Spiritual Adultery!
I couldn't stand the hypocrisy of it from the time I was fourteen on up so I left
She's an ex Mormon hottie..... she'll marry a rich guy and be ok.🔥🔥
Hi I like you Chanel but call my attention you have behind you Jose smith picture and for me don’t have a sense
It's a book
I wonder if she found her woke man...
This is so sad. Look up Bruce Porter on the Book of Abraham. Look up Book of Mormon evidence with Rod Meldrum. Sad
Sad...
One of your followers is parroting your "evidence" back to you and you agree with her. Part of the basis for her disbelief is your words. This process is called knowledge incest. But the wheat and tares are being separated. The Church is being cleansed because of you, you're performing an important function in strengthening the Church. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth saith the Lord. First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house... And just because you decide not to believe something, doesn't mean you can pitch your integrity with impunity. I made promises in my fraternity that I will not violate, which is not even linked to my potential salvation. Because of integrity. Those promises you mock? Not honorable even if you decide it's false.
Your religion makes you scary.
@@mormonstories No, Dr. You are the one who has started a religion, I have not, and therefore your religion makes you scary.
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Yes, I would definitely be shaking in my boots if I were in your position.
@@Utcalwr I'm not sure I understand; you're bound to conduct yourself according to beliefs even after they're discovered to be false? And is a fraternity akin to a religion for you?
No alpha males? It's too bad having the epiphany phase at 60's. There is still looong way to go to settle on a guy you actually want. The next beta male will be just another bus stop, poor guy..
Sir, is that your only takeaway from the interview? 🤣 #triggered
@@loliwelch9151 dont be triggered
@@timohaikarainen3957 let's both promise, ok?
Our dads were practically the same person.