I ride Pansh Genesis 6m, 8m, and 10m with a surfboard. My 8m is going on 4 years old and has not ripped or failed and cost around $200, I do however make two mods: 1. remove the 5th line and use a 4 line bar, 2. remove the blow out valve magnets and replace it with velcro, the magnets sometimes open in flight causing the kite to loose power. The Genesis is much easier to ride than the Aurora and more suitable for a surfboard with good drift. Compared to inflatables it is also quicker to setup and launch and I can land on my own using a stick in the sand. For the price it is excellent value.
@@OurKiteLife Be good if you could ask Pansh to send you a few of their latest kites for review. To be fair all my big brand kites fly way better but the price has still made me buy a couple of Pansh kites just to see.
As a broke newbie to the sport I went out and bought a bunch of used gear for 500$ total (used ocean rodeo flite from 2016, board, harness, bar, etc...) I do not regret my decision at all. After only a couple months of riding I'm now realizing that I need an additional larger kite so that I can get out on more light wind days. The Pansh will be my next kite. Why spend 2,000$ on the newest gear when you're going to suck anyways. And probably going to need to buy another kite anyways to maximize riding days. Get something functional and safe gear and go practice and have fun. People had fun kiteboarding in 2016 and so can you today! The gear doesn't have to be great for you to have a freaking epic time. Once I have skills and a quivver I'll slowly start adding in newer kites :) Just my thoughts as a broke, newbie, weekend warrior
I've been flying Pansh for well over a decade and it's really interesting to hear the mixed perspectives from those accustomed to premium brand foil kites. Regardless of which side of the fence you feel about the Aurora, you guys are no doubt boosting with it!
I have a 19m Pansh Aurora II. I bought it in 2017 I think. It does collapse on itself sometimes and I found out that after couple years of use, I have around 20 seconds to relaunch before the material gets all soaked and I get anchored. The lines didn't fail yet but it seems that they stretched. It flies strange now but can'tafford the fancy expensive ones :). Thanks for the video :)
Nice to see a pansh on the channel. I regret that you've chosen the Aurora III, a model with several design error reports. I think the ideal kite to compare with the Soul would be the A15. I have a 15m... it's very stable and pulls well. I also have a Genesis 9m which behaves more like an inflatable, has good power and weighs almost half of an inflatable of the same size, but doesn't behave very well in gusts. Anyway, congratulations on the test.
I Had some troubles with the sewing, my genesis 2021 it has broken few times because of sewing problems but, the problem got solved by sewing it again by my self. It is true that the pansh kites are probably slower than flysurfers but... as you said, it costs much less. In my opinion I would definitely not recoment this brand for a beginner but if you already know kiting and haven´t got a good budget like me, definitely go for a pash!
Ya it seems like they aren’t good for beginners, but if you know what you’re doing and don’t mind spending time to tinker or fix the kite, it can be a good choice!
I had a Soul 15m, and a friend bought a Pansh A15 15m, while i preferred the Soul any day of the week, i really was quite impressed with the quality and performance for the price, the price was around a tenth of the Soul price, but the performance was maybe 75% of the Soul. Now i have a small 4m Pansh, bought for 90USD and it is a perfect learning kite or kite to show friends what flying a kite feels like.
@@OurKiteLife as I've told Laurie not as powerful as the soul but more stable. Out of the bag it flies well but with the jackomixer mod with a hydrofoil its great fun to use. But jumping the soul still wins.
Beautifully put. 10% of the price for 75% of the enjoyment. That should have been the conclusion of this vlog based on the remarks and allowing for bias. I have two Souls and don’t need a P but I think more objectivity is needed in this vlog in general otherwise it all comes down to how can we promote Flysurfer.
@@normsbigwindow9379 tested the worst kite. The problem with pansh is that they have a base model for each model. Genesis was a 6m so that's the best size. A15 was the 15m everything else is computer calculated up or down so some adjustments could be needed. Not flying a expensive flysurfer soul is a relief plus it paid for a genesis 3/4/5/6/8/10/12m plus a ultralight 15m a15. 8 kites for under £1000 🤣😁. Got some boring videos on my channel.
Thanks for the in-depth vlog. I got a 3.5M Pansh Genesis with bar and lines to use as a practice kite before I took kitesurf lessons. it's a great kite and fun to fly. I think it really helped me prepare for lessons and get pretty good at kite control. In light winds you can hot launch and loop the kite, which I wouldn't do with full size gear. Build quality is pretty good. The lines and bridles are beefy. The kite has held up to a few crashes and still looks like new. Even came with a brake strap, which I have no idea how to attach (haven't really needed it). Considering a 2-line trainer kite costs about $100, I think this is a much better value. You get the experience of a real 5 line kite for not much more. (I bought a cheap used windsurf harness on ebay). You don't really need a real harness for this, you can just use a belt or piece of webbing as long as the wind isn't too strong. The fifth line is strangely too long and I don't really know how to shorten it, and it comes with a really long leash. I'm surprised they haven't just included a short leash, which would be cheaper for them. Who's doing unhooked tricks with these things? I think these would make terrific snow kites. Not sure about in the water, but I use LEI on the water, so not skilled enough for foil kiting yet.
Thanks for doing these kinds of videos. Even with critics, it's nice to have some options for non-eyewatering priced kites (students, normal people who maybe want an extra kite in their quiver). I like how you put everyone's opinion on their own. Right now I would'nt buy a paunch kite, but would probably try it if I started kiting as a student years ago.
A very informative video! Thank you for helping us understand the difference! It's pretty vital, especially for those who only enter the world of kiting :)
Thanks for your review. After seeing a Ocean Rodeo Aluula and a Duotone SLS kite in the background I very much hope for a comparison and review of Softkite vs. lightweight LEI kite. 🙃🙃 I’m looking forward for that.
@@OurKiteLife …and not to forget „Duotone DLAB“. Could mean: Light as a softkite but no swimming anymore if you catch a breeze after too long time drowning in the water… try them all 🙏🏼💪🏻
Nice range of opinions. I think a lot of people thinking about kiting look at the prices and think twice; but if they're dedicated try to get used or cheap equipment, not knowing where the difference can be critical. Did you guys all go to Cuba together? Nice to have such a group :-) I've only been on one group trip, and I was the oldest and least experienced. It was a nice trip / nice locations, though I wasn't quite in the same social niche (and with the pandemic pre-vaccine, different levels of concern for different age groups).
Thanks! Agreed - trying less expensive used gear is a better way to go than buying cheap gear. Yeah we did go together. Mostly local crew so it was pretty easy to plan. Nice thing about certain resorts in Cuba is that there’s usually a decent amount of kiters there to socialize with even if you don’t go with a group :)
@@OurKiteLife just curious how many of your interviewees out of the 5 own a Flysurfer kite already? I own 8m and 12m and no P. I realise you guys are biased for the reason you explained but do all the people interviewed already own Flysurfer? Feels like you’re asking Mercedes drivers if they like driving a Foton or Great Wall car.
We definitely hear you on this point. Out of the 5 in this video, 1 doesn't own a Flysurfer (he owns and flies LEIs, not foils). We can tell you we did try to involve other non-FS owners in this video but none of them took us up on the offer. Not sure if it's just general hesitation of flying foil kites, or perhaps discomfort with speaking on camera outside of our regular crew. It's something we're aware of and we do try to diversify the 'types' of riders, but it's not as easy as one may expect.
I had a Pansh 5 metre that I tried to use for landboarding. I found it very jerky compared to my 5m Rush. It had twin handles though whereas my Rush had a control bar so maybe that had something to do with it. In the end, I kept the Rush, sold the other one.
I ordered a 3m Genesis for my daughters few years ago to use as a trainer kite. The problem I see with Panch is quality control. Not bad for the price but very irregular construction.Out of the box, it's was terrible. I spoke to many owners and everytime, the problem is different from a kite to another. It took me a moment playing with ABC, front, rear line's ratio to get the best performance of this kite. And, it's not perfect. I can't use all the power/depower trim range. As you mention, that's not a beginner kite compare to my plug n' play CONCEPTAIR high end foil kites(and it's a local product !).
Could you try the brand new Pansh Kestrel and tell us what you think ? Its designer says it is as good as a Soul or Sonic, haven't tried it myself yet. Avo
Hey Avo, thanks for the suggestion! We’ll look into the Kestrel - maybe film a review in the spring when more kiters/reviewers come out of hibernation :) cheers
Nice to see a Pansh on here, I’ve reviewed the genesis 6m on my channel and was fond of it for foiling. I think for the money you really can’t complain. Also had an aurora 2 and 3 and the higher aspect ratio means they are harder to fine tune for easy flying but once again they are super cheap. Ideal for foiling on a budget. I’ve flown plenty of Flysurfer gear, Peaks/Souls and Sonics. It’s obviously much better but you pay for that performance (Peak is good value though for foilers so I have one)
The Pansh Genisis 6m is my snowkite of choice... light, packs down well and easy to manage in big thick cold winds... have a 10m too with no complaints.
Test please Pansh Aurora, A15 and Genesis together in the size of 15m on water. I didn't find any infomative comparison between these 3 kites. I.e. Aurora - great low end, good lift but slow and have avarage/low stability especially in the corner of the wind window. Best for intermediate kitesurfing freeriders. A15 - stable, some faster than Aurora (like 20-30%) but generate less power for for m2. Also not stable in the wind window edges. Best for kitesurfing beginners and freestylers. Genesis - fast and stable, smooth in gusty winds, best of these 3 in the wind edges but it is also last of these 3 in power/m2 generation during the same movement speed. Best for foilers because delivering power smoothly. Some thing like that.
I just tried my 12m Pansh Aurora 3 foil kite here in South Padre TX and was really disappointed compared to my 9 m ozone hyperlite foil kite. The Aurora 3 had less power, was less stable deformed frequently in flight and It was a hard launch, I had to eject during one of the launches, which I so far have never done with my ozone hyperlite. I'm gonna agree with the people in your video who did not recommend this kite. I was just trying to get a cheaper kite but my opinioin is you get what you pay for.
I consider buying a foil kite, not necessarily PANSH, as an introduction to foil kiting (not foil board though) and I'm curious: is it the same criteria as it is when buying a normal LEI kite? I mean I'm about 68-72 kgs and I usually use a 10m LEI in my local conditions (14-22 kn most of the days). Should I also consider a 10m foil kite? Is it different for a foil kite? Are they less powerful than LEIs? Or are there more criteria to think about when choosing a foil kite? Thanks in advance. Awesome job. Keep it up guys!
12m a15 ultralight 7 to 9 knots.th-cam.com/video/jAqEMPcg034/w-d-xo.html Pansh kites can always definitely need adjustment. Plus on this model a quick bridle modification.
The aurora is not the best pansh kite in deed. The A15 need a modification to fly well ( jackomixer) but still is a Monster truck type kite and less power than a soul (12m soul=15m A15). The Genesis in small sizes (
The Aurora III looked like the newest kite - so we figured it would be the best one to try. Definitely seems like the A15 is worth trying based on the comments though!
@@OurKiteLife A3 is only a very slight update (added bridle lines in tipps, added internal bands, no real change in flight) to an older design. A15 is the latest design now available. Several new kites are ready, but not available, yet. I guess because of production issues.
@@OurKiteLife I’m looking to get a Pansh A15 15m (maybe 12m) or Genesis, if you will be doing an A15 UL review soon ? I will wait to buy after seeing your review. Sounds like the Ultra Light upgrade is the way to go with the A15. Thanks & great videos! Dave (Florida)
We are planning to but not sure exactly how soon we’ll be able to post the video. This time of year can also be harder for filming but we’ll do our best to get it done by spring :)
Sorry, but you tested the wrong kite... Aurora is higher AR and has different goals than Soul. You should have chosen the A15 for comparison to Soul or Sonic to Aurora. Clearly the Aurora is not better than Sonic, too, but characteristics are closer. Aurora needs speed to build up power. Soul is more for beginner with brute force like tractor when starting but not much speed/power when getting faster. Both can be "good", depends on what you want. But if you compare, you should compare kites with same goals. Still I think the video is good. You were lucky with the Aurora it seems, some need some work on trim when you get it, but yours seems to work fine.
As mentioned in another comment the AR of these kites is almost exactly the same. And in the description of the Aurora III Pansh describes it as all “all round” performance good for kitesurfing, kiteboarding, land boarding and snowkiting. Not arguing that the A15 would’ve been the better choice to review (we hear the comments loud and clear lol), but for someone who is going off of what the manufacturer says and not forums, it’s fair to say that they may pick this kite for similar reasons that someone may pick a Soul.
@@OurKiteLife Yeah, I see. But I rode Soul, Sonic, Aurora and A15. And the Soul feels more similar to the A15 and the Aurora is more similar to Sonic. It seems it is not only AR. I always thought the Aurora has higher AR as it FEELS like that but never really compared. But you are right, they are close. I did not know or expect that. You need to ride Aurora more like the Sonic. Power is produced from Speed. Starting power is lesst than Soul.
I have the aurora III 8m and i'm very disappointed (it feel heavy in the bar) the deformation of the shape ... Compare to my PeterLynn Nova or Aero V2 there is a ditch ! I recommande you to try a peterlynn kite and compare to the soul :)
I miss seeing the big kiter dude in your videos ... used to see him all the time at the Humber College launch site with his 21-speed ... can't remember his name ... I think he was from Russia or Czechoslovakia
I still have the first 15m prototype aurora 1. It flew brilliantly from the bag. Confusingly the 8m was a bag of crap. Then I helped in a small capacity to develop the Cerberus and still have the 10m. Pansh can be massively hit n miss.
@@OurKiteLife they lack consistency in quality control and even communication with the customer service. If all kites flew as well as the ones I've had (bar 1) they would be a dominating brand just from the bargain they could represent. But they just dont.
It would be great! But very difficult to actually execute. Would love it if brands would send us blank kites to test/compare but don’t think that will happen anytime soon
You used a flysurfer bar, the back lines on the Pansh bar 8" shorter, it would hang at 12 and not much else. It did fly better on a Slingshot bar 23m, imo a waist of money.
I wouldn’t try it. As a beginner I’d go for a good used Soul to eliminate as many variables out of the equation. At least I’d know that it’s me and not the kite which is the problem.
Hi Aleksandr. Are you interested in a Pansh Aurora III 12m2 Ultra Light? Originally I bought it to be able to kite on land under 10 knots. But the kite flies best in stable winds from 11 knots (according my experience). And this size of kite I don't dare to loop on land. So I just flew it several times, never crashed as I always flew in light winds; so it's pretty new.
@@shaa197 Thanks for the reply. Just an experience question: In which wind range (in knots) and for what are you using your Aurora? Foil, twintip, land?
@@balooa7133 I use my kite Aurora 2 only in winter and in the wind range from 4-4,5 to 14 knots. I use skis or snowboarding. In the summer I use kite Core and twintip.
@@OurKiteLife pansh for now ,cause eventually I'll get the soul,budget right now ,i bought a cabrinha mantis wing and a spark,im getting addicted to this however ,im doing on land since i dont know how to swim,😭,i love your videos great info.thanks
Did I have right impression that all twintipers disliked the kite whereas the only guy that was foiling couldn't really complain? I mean it's a foiling kite after all... Most us will use LEI kite for twintip.
For this price tag, there is no R/D, must only be making some profit from materials... Surely must be a copy? Are the other kites in their range similar price? Furthermore, only one of the testers was riding a foil for a foil kite? The flysurfer has got a great reputation for being a great crossover kite, but maybe this more foil specific?🤷♂
Could be the case! The Pansh website describes this particular kite as good all round performance for kitesurfing, kiteboarding, snowkiting and landboarding. In reality though it could be better suited for hydrofoiling
So the Pansh wins! Is it as good? No. Does it work? Yes. Is it far more affordable and better value for money? Yes. So, Flysurfer if you are rich and don't mind wasting money. Pansh if you just want to go kite. Just remember to size up.
The best rider liked it and is doing awsome things with it… it proves the point that sharpening our skills goes a long way rather than trying to compensate with gear. Also he is foiling so if the power is much less than the shoul, than there you go. I think the Hawk is the Pansh kite that should be compared to the Soul, it might have helped the fellow who had issues launching it. In the summer I ride exclusively, Inflatables, I don’t care for how slow and non responsive the foil kites are. I think for the price, I might buy a pansh as a go to one size pull it out and go kite rather than dragging my tubes quiver. If less powerful, just take a bigger one…🤷🏻♂
Unfortunately, it seems Pansh do not phase out older models... and their marketing is very poor. From my reading their Genesis which had a refresh a few years ago is slow to turn but a good drifer so would be good in smaller sizes to compete with the FS Hybrid for hydrofoiling at a fraction of the price (or Peak but relaunchable as it has closed cells). Their newer models are designed by a Frenchman who is active on Kiteforum and Lezfoils forum. The Hawk he recommends in sizes up to 9m and the new Kestrel which is a higher aspect (6.4) 45 cell model for larger sizes. I suspect this is less powerful per m2 than the FS Soul but stable and quick to turn. I've ordered a 12m. The Aurora is an older design.
@@phildaintree2794 i bought the Hawk in 10m, cannot complain about the lowend, it was slow but pivotal turn around its axis so it dos not develop much if you steer it hard. No bad habits, tips remained well inflated and did not fold. I bought a different bar, 55cm low V instead of the Core bar, 50cm and à Y. I like it.
I am negatively impressed with the article. I find, a video published in a worldwide media, at least, disconcerting. You can't compare Soul's wing profile and in-flight behavior, performance and, handling and fine piloting, with an Aurora. They are for different programs. In addition the Soul, you fly it with your original bar and, to the Aurora , you adapt the flysurfer bar, at your discretion. It does not seem to me, that all riders are impartial, because they are not experts, in the handling and correct piloting of the foil kites. except: Nr. 1 You can not and should not create a current of opinion based on riders, also inexperienced in the handling and piloting of foil kites. In addition, the description and argumentation of this man, it is not at all instructive. Nr. 2 Well, it handles the foil kite like an LEI, that is, pull - pull of the bar, to "catch" wind, when, the foil kites, with more elongation, Aurora type, need to slide the kite, through the window of the wind and, at the exact moment, pull a little and, then, let it fly. I do not think that the opinion of this Rider with a VMG 1 or 2, and the twintip, gives him any positive feeling, except the realization that he does not know how to drive them. I have had and have pansh and, I have had and I have flysurfer. I am not moved by any commercial interest, but that people know more accurately, how much a kite of € 300 can offer. Health and luck Aloha 1) man with the prolimit impact vest 2)Man with black glasses and FCS hat.
This wasn’t a fair comparison, the aurora 3 is shit, was done after one from a friend. Wouldve been more objective if you did the a15 versus soul, it flies really well, comes close to a soul. However flysurfer soul is still king…
Thanks team for the review of the Pansh. I would not buy it. I have learned in my outdoor sports and activities to always go for quality over price. With quality the experience is better, 2ndly can be safer and 3rdly usually lasts longer which 1) better resell value and 2) cost difference narrows if quality product lasts longer. I am sure you can add to my points…
Those are all great points! We didn’t include it in the video, but I think if someone is on a budget it’s worth looking into high quality gently used kites
Ridiculous test. You compare a high AR vs. low AR. This test is not cheap vs. expensive. It just proofs how little you and the team seem to know about foilkites. You should compare apples to apples.
not sure what you are talking about, both Aurora and Soul have pretty similar AR (Aurora 5.6 vs Soul 5.5). Additionally, people compare sonics vs soul (low AR vs high AR) all the time. The issue is not kite specifics in this case, but the design and quality
@@OurKiteLife still the characteristics of the kites are very different. Aurora is not good for beginner, Soul is a beginner's kite. It's fine if you want to compare FreeRace to FreeRide to compare Sonic/Soul. But if you want to compare cheap to expensive both kites should be the same category. In this case most differences you saw are from different goals of the kite's design, not from quality. And on your choice to get thick lines and heavy cloth ;) But it's all well, some people on your group got it and some didn't. It's fine ;) I really liked how you let every opinion stand on it's own.
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I ride Pansh Genesis 6m, 8m, and 10m with a surfboard. My 8m is going on 4 years old and has not ripped or failed and cost around $200, I do however make two mods: 1. remove the 5th line and use a 4 line bar, 2. remove the blow out valve magnets and replace it with velcro, the magnets sometimes open in flight causing the kite to loose power. The Genesis is much easier to ride than the Aurora and more suitable for a surfboard with good drift. Compared to inflatables it is also quicker to setup and launch and I can land on my own using a stick in the sand. For the price it is excellent value.
Good to know, thanks for sharing your experience!
i would love to buy an 8m ,any store you recommend ,im in the states.thanks
@@OurKiteLife Be good if you could ask Pansh to send you a few of their latest kites for review. To be fair all my big brand kites fly way better but the price has still made me buy a couple of Pansh kites just to see.
As a broke newbie to the sport I went out and bought a bunch of used gear for 500$ total (used ocean rodeo flite from 2016, board, harness, bar, etc...) I do not regret my decision at all. After only a couple months of riding I'm now realizing that I need an additional larger kite so that I can get out on more light wind days. The Pansh will be my next kite. Why spend 2,000$ on the newest gear when you're going to suck anyways. And probably going to need to buy another kite anyways to maximize riding days. Get something functional and safe gear and go practice and have fun. People had fun kiteboarding in 2016 and so can you today! The gear doesn't have to be great for you to have a freaking epic time. Once I have skills and a quivver I'll slowly start adding in newer kites :) Just my thoughts as a broke, newbie, weekend warrior
Yeah, I'm going for used gear rather than cheap new gear.
I've been flying Pansh for well over a decade and it's really interesting to hear the mixed perspectives from those accustomed to premium brand foil kites. Regardless of which side of the fence you feel about the Aurora, you guys are no doubt boosting with it!
I have a 19m Pansh Aurora II. I bought it in 2017 I think. It does collapse on itself sometimes and I found out that after couple years of use, I have around 20 seconds to relaunch before the material gets all soaked and I get anchored. The lines didn't fail yet but it seems that they stretched. It flies strange now but can'tafford the fancy expensive ones :). Thanks for the video :)
Nice to see a pansh on the channel. I regret that you've chosen the Aurora III, a model with several design error reports. I think the ideal kite to compare with the Soul would be the A15. I have a 15m... it's very stable and pulls well. I also have a Genesis 9m which behaves more like an inflatable, has good power and weighs almost half of an inflatable of the same size, but doesn't behave very well in gusts. Anyway, congratulations on the test.
Good to know, thanks!
What sort of kiting are you into? Foil, twintip, Big air?
@@Chris_PerthWA only foiling.
Rodrigo, what year Genesis do you own that does not handle gust well? Maybe the 2021 updates help?
@@davep5039 I have a 9m 2021 Genesis with +- 4 sessions and some bad experiences with gusty winds. Also have a 6m not tested yet.
I Had some troubles with the sewing, my genesis 2021 it has broken few times because of sewing problems but, the problem got solved by sewing it again by my self.
It is true that the pansh kites are probably slower than flysurfers but... as you said, it costs much less. In my opinion I would definitely not recoment this brand for a beginner but if you already know kiting and haven´t got a good budget like me, definitely go for a pash!
Ya it seems like they aren’t good for beginners, but if you know what you’re doing and don’t mind spending time to tinker or fix the kite, it can be a good choice!
I agree with the review as I have Soul 15m and Aurora 2 in 15..The biggest issue is jerkiness or not smooth, but cheap and who cares if you crash it
I wish, for an upcoming video, a comparison between the punch and an old used kite witch you can buy in the same price level or even cheaper.
A very good idea
I've ordered 3 Pansh kites for kite foiling and am looking forward to them arriving soon
I had 3 panch kites, all sold with one idea: NEVER AGAIN. Now only FS.
Pansh is cheap, FS is expensive, selfesteem is priceless!
I had a Soul 15m, and a friend bought a Pansh A15 15m, while i preferred the Soul any day of the week, i really was quite impressed with the quality and performance for the price, the price was around a tenth of the Soul price, but the performance was maybe 75% of the Soul.
Now i have a small 4m Pansh, bought for 90USD and it is a perfect learning kite or kite to show friends what flying a kite feels like.
Did it have the jackomixer quick bridle mod making it much quicker plus double the depower amazing difference made me sell the soul.
The A15 is getting a lot of love in the comments - we may have to give it a try soon!
@@OurKiteLife as I've told Laurie not as powerful as the soul but more stable.
Out of the bag it flies well but with the jackomixer mod with a hydrofoil its great fun to use.
But jumping the soul still wins.
Beautifully put. 10% of the price for 75% of the enjoyment. That should have been the conclusion of this vlog based on the remarks and allowing for bias. I have two Souls and don’t need a P but I think more objectivity is needed in this vlog in general otherwise it all comes down to how can we promote Flysurfer.
@@normsbigwindow9379 tested the worst kite. The problem with pansh is that they have a base model for each model.
Genesis was a 6m so that's the best size. A15 was the 15m everything else is computer calculated up or down so some adjustments could be needed.
Not flying a expensive flysurfer soul is a relief plus it paid for a genesis 3/4/5/6/8/10/12m plus a ultralight 15m a15. 8 kites for under £1000 🤣😁.
Got some boring videos on my channel.
Nice to see you again, Paul! We met each other on the cruise through the grenadines in 2017. Greetings from Switzerland!
Thanks for the in-depth vlog. I got a 3.5M Pansh Genesis with bar and lines to use as a practice kite before I took kitesurf lessons. it's a great kite and fun to fly. I think it really helped me prepare for lessons and get pretty good at kite control. In light winds you can hot launch and loop the kite, which I wouldn't do with full size gear. Build quality is pretty good. The lines and bridles are beefy. The kite has held up to a few crashes and still looks like new. Even came with a brake strap, which I have no idea how to attach (haven't really needed it). Considering a 2-line trainer kite costs about $100, I think this is a much better value. You get the experience of a real 5 line kite for not much more. (I bought a cheap used windsurf harness on ebay). You don't really need a real harness for this, you can just use a belt or piece of webbing as long as the wind isn't too strong. The fifth line is strangely too long and I don't really know how to shorten it, and it comes with a really long leash. I'm surprised they haven't just included a short leash, which would be cheaper for them. Who's doing unhooked tricks with these things? I think these would make terrific snow kites. Not sure about in the water, but I use LEI on the water, so not skilled enough for foil kiting yet.
Yuri used to have a Legend 3m for the same reason :)
Thanks for doing these kinds of videos. Even with critics, it's nice to have some options for non-eyewatering priced kites (students, normal people who maybe want an extra kite in their quiver). I like how you put everyone's opinion on their own. Right now I would'nt buy a paunch kite, but would probably try it if I started kiting as a student years ago.
Nice VLOG like always 👏🙂
The only Pansh kite that flies decent is the A15. And thats actually good value for the money 🙂
Thanks! We may have to make a review video on the A15 next :)
@@OurKiteLife please do. I think I want a new foil kite for snow kiting. As a newbie, I will stick to LEI for water so don't want to spend a lot.
@@OurKiteLife really looking forward for this review!!!
Hi! Could you take a new model Kestrel from Pansh for review? I have one and I'm happy :)
Thanks for the suggestion, we’ll look into it :)
Im getting the 4m one! High winds! Land jumping! 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Thanks! Looking forward to your snowkiting experience.
A very informative video! Thank you for helping us understand the difference! It's pretty vital, especially for those who only enter the world of kiting :)
Thanks for your review. After seeing a Ocean Rodeo Aluula and a Duotone SLS kite in the background I very much hope for a comparison and review of Softkite vs. lightweight LEI kite. 🙃🙃 I’m looking forward for that.
Not sure if we will have a video on it. We did talk to a few guys with OR Aluula kites on the beach but don’t know if it’s enough for a video.
@@OurKiteLife …and not to forget „Duotone DLAB“. Could mean: Light as a softkite but no swimming anymore if you catch a breeze after too long time drowning in the water… try them all 🙏🏼💪🏻
Nice range of opinions. I think a lot of people thinking about kiting look at the prices and think twice; but if they're dedicated try to get used or cheap equipment, not knowing where the difference can be critical. Did you guys all go to Cuba together? Nice to have such a group :-) I've only been on one group trip, and I was the oldest and least experienced. It was a nice trip / nice locations, though I wasn't quite in the same social niche (and with the pandemic pre-vaccine, different levels of concern for different age groups).
Thanks! Agreed - trying less expensive used gear is a better way to go than buying cheap gear.
Yeah we did go together. Mostly local crew so it was pretty easy to plan. Nice thing about certain resorts in Cuba is that there’s usually a decent amount of kiters there to socialize with even if you don’t go with a group :)
Interesting. Really good how you moderate the different experiences from your group.
Thanks! We try to keep it balanced and real with multiple opinions :)
@@OurKiteLife just curious how many of your interviewees out of the 5 own a Flysurfer kite already? I own 8m and 12m and no P. I realise you guys are biased for the reason you explained but do all the people interviewed already own Flysurfer? Feels like you’re asking Mercedes drivers if they like driving a Foton or Great Wall car.
We definitely hear you on this point. Out of the 5 in this video, 1 doesn't own a Flysurfer (he owns and flies LEIs, not foils). We can tell you we did try to involve other non-FS owners in this video but none of them took us up on the offer. Not sure if it's just general hesitation of flying foil kites, or perhaps discomfort with speaking on camera outside of our regular crew. It's something we're aware of and we do try to diversify the 'types' of riders, but it's not as easy as one may expect.
I had a Pansh 5 metre that I tried to use for landboarding. I found it very jerky compared to my 5m Rush. It had twin handles though whereas my Rush had a control bar so maybe that had something to do with it. In the end, I kept the Rush, sold the other one.
I ordered a 3m Genesis for my daughters few years ago to use as a trainer kite. The problem I see with Panch is quality control. Not bad for the price but very irregular construction.Out of the box, it's was terrible. I spoke to many owners and everytime, the problem is different from a kite to another. It took me a moment playing with ABC, front, rear line's ratio to get the best performance of this kite. And, it's not perfect. I can't use all the power/depower trim range. As you mention, that's not a beginner kite compare to my plug n' play CONCEPTAIR high end foil kites(and it's a local product !).
Still waiting for the comparison of the Kitech FRS vs SOUL.
Hopefully we can make it happen soon!
Yes, the Kitech FRS is great for foiling. (havent used it on my TT)
Would be nice to have my soul 2 this year, soo stoked! Shame mines on back order
Ahh, hope you get it soon!
You tried the Kestrel?
Not yet!
Could you try the brand new Pansh Kestrel and tell us what you think ? Its designer says it is as good as a Soul or Sonic, haven't tried it myself yet.
Avo
Hey Avo, thanks for the suggestion! We’ll look into the Kestrel - maybe film a review in the spring when more kiters/reviewers come out of hibernation :) cheers
@@OurKiteLife I'll be waiting for it!
A15 ultralight is such a better kite I prefer flying compared to the soul but definitely less power.
We’ll have to review the A15 next!
@@OurKiteLife with and without the easy jackomixer mod on my channel. Also in 15m size the best imo it was the base model.
Please do. Longtime Pansh fan and gery happy with my A15 15m for $300 Aud ! 🤣
Just bought the new North Orbits. Beautiful make and performance...big air
Nice, enjoy!!
Nice to see a Pansh on here, I’ve reviewed the genesis 6m on my channel and was fond of it for foiling. I think for the money you really can’t complain.
Also had an aurora 2 and 3 and the higher aspect ratio means they are harder to fine tune for easy flying but once again they are super cheap. Ideal for foiling on a budget.
I’ve flown plenty of Flysurfer gear, Peaks/Souls and Sonics. It’s obviously much better but you pay for that performance (Peak is good value though for foilers so I have one)
I was thinking for snow kiting it might be great. You might have to mess with it, but I bet you would have fun!
We’ll find out this winter - our friend bought it specifically for snowkiting so we’ll see how it goes!
The Pansh Genisis 6m is my snowkite of choice... light, packs down well and easy to manage in big thick cold winds... have a 10m too with no complaints.
Test please Pansh Aurora, A15 and Genesis together in the size of 15m on water. I didn't find any infomative comparison between these 3 kites.
I.e. Aurora - great low end, good lift but slow and have avarage/low stability especially in the corner of the wind window. Best for intermediate kitesurfing freeriders.
A15 - stable, some faster than Aurora (like 20-30%) but generate less power for for m2. Also not stable in the wind window edges. Best for kitesurfing beginners and freestylers.
Genesis - fast and stable, smooth in gusty winds, best of these 3 in the wind edges but it is also last of these 3 in power/m2 generation during the same movement speed. Best for foilers because delivering power smoothly.
Some thing like that.
Thanks for the suggestion. We are hoping to review more Pansh kites this year
I have never tried pansh but would say a new $300 pansh is a better kite than $300 used flysurfer or ozone.
Could be! Depends on how used the FS or Ozone kite is though
I just tried my 12m Pansh Aurora 3 foil kite here in South Padre TX and was really disappointed compared to my 9 m ozone hyperlite foil kite. The Aurora 3 had less power, was less stable deformed frequently in flight and It was a hard launch, I had to eject during one of the launches, which I so far have never done with my ozone hyperlite. I'm gonna agree with the people in your video who did not recommend this kite. I was just trying to get a cheaper kite but my opinioin is you get what you pay for.
Agreed - you get what you pay for. That being said a lot of kiters rave about the Pansh Kestrel… we may review it this spring to see for ourselves :)
I consider buying a foil kite, not necessarily PANSH, as an introduction to foil kiting (not foil board though) and I'm curious: is it the same criteria as it is when buying a normal LEI kite? I mean I'm about 68-72 kgs and I usually use a 10m LEI in my local conditions (14-22 kn most of the days). Should I also consider a 10m foil kite? Is it different for a foil kite? Are they less powerful than LEIs? Or are there more criteria to think about when choosing a foil kite? Thanks in advance. Awesome job. Keep it up guys!
Hey, check out our video “5 things to know before buying your first foil kite” - this should hopefully help answer most of your questions :)
12m a15 ultralight 7 to 9 knots.th-cam.com/video/jAqEMPcg034/w-d-xo.html
Pansh kites can always definitely need adjustment.
Plus on this model a quick bridle modification.
Nice review! Thank you, guys!!!
Glad you liked it 😊
The aurora is not the best pansh kite in deed. The A15 need a modification to fly well ( jackomixer) but still is a Monster truck type kite and less power than a soul (12m soul=15m A15). The Genesis in small sizes (
Of the Pansh models, why did you choose the Aurora III? It seems a lot of Pansh-people prefer the A-15.
The Aurora III looked like the newest kite - so we figured it would be the best one to try. Definitely seems like the A15 is worth trying based on the comments though!
@@OurKiteLife When you do I will interested to see how you think they compare. Thanks for the great channel from Colorado!
@@OurKiteLife A3 is only a very slight update (added bridle lines in tipps, added internal bands, no real change in flight) to an older design. A15 is the latest design now available. Several new kites are ready, but not available, yet. I guess because of production issues.
Thank you for this review. Does anyone want to share his experience about the Genesis model? Thank you in advance.
Sorry, Rodrigo has already talked about his Genesis with 9m. Thank you Rodrigo.
Did anyone water relaunch it?
I would be interested in the A15 and Genesis reviews as well!
Thanks
will try to get A15 next. Yes we did water relaunch it without any issues, just didn't had footage to include it.
@@OurKiteLife I’m looking to get a Pansh A15 15m (maybe 12m) or Genesis, if you will be doing an A15 UL review soon ? I will wait to buy after seeing your review. Sounds like the Ultra Light upgrade is the way to go with the A15.
Thanks & great videos!
Dave (Florida)
We are planning to but not sure exactly how soon we’ll be able to post the video. This time of year can also be harder for filming but we’ll do our best to get it done by spring :)
Sorry, but you tested the wrong kite... Aurora is higher AR and has different goals than Soul. You should have chosen the A15 for comparison to Soul or Sonic to Aurora. Clearly the Aurora is not better than Sonic, too, but characteristics are closer. Aurora needs speed to build up power. Soul is more for beginner with brute force like tractor when starting but not much speed/power when getting faster. Both can be "good", depends on what you want. But if you compare, you should compare kites with same goals. Still I think the video is good. You were lucky with the Aurora it seems, some need some work on trim when you get it, but yours seems to work fine.
As mentioned in another comment the AR of these kites is almost exactly the same. And in the description of the Aurora III Pansh describes it as all “all round” performance good for kitesurfing, kiteboarding, land boarding and snowkiting. Not arguing that the A15 would’ve been the better choice to review (we hear the comments loud and clear lol), but for someone who is going off of what the manufacturer says and not forums, it’s fair to say that they may pick this kite for similar reasons that someone may pick a Soul.
@@OurKiteLife Yeah, I see. But I rode Soul, Sonic, Aurora and A15. And the Soul feels more similar to the A15 and the Aurora is more similar to Sonic. It seems it is not only AR. I always thought the Aurora has higher AR as it FEELS like that but never really compared. But you are right, they are close. I did not know or expect that.
You need to ride Aurora more like the Sonic. Power is produced from Speed. Starting power is lesst than Soul.
@@OurKiteLife you can't trust Chinese sellers to know their products ;)
Great video! Love the beach!! where you guys where at ?
Pullman resort in Cayo Coco, Cuba :) and the hydrofoil footage is the home spot in Toronto
I have the aurora III 8m and i'm very disappointed (it feel heavy in the bar) the deformation of the shape ...
Compare to my PeterLynn Nova or Aero V2 there is a ditch !
I recommande you to try a peterlynn kite and compare to the soul :)
Which Peter Lynn kite would you recommend? How do you find the Nova?
Can you buy the Peter Lynn? I want a fast winter kite for speed with my snow skis.
Time for a review of the new generation of Pansh kites. The Kestrel is reported to be a bog improvement over the Aurora
Agreed - we’ve heard good things about the Kestrel
Please, make a Paraavis Smile and Octane 2 review :)
If we can get our hands on it, we will :)
You should try the fly suffer vmg
It really doesn’t suit the style of riding we do!
Link for the 200 dollars kite please
Panshkite.com
I miss seeing the big kiter dude in your videos ... used to see him all the time at the Humber College launch site with his 21-speed ... can't remember his name ... I think he was from Russia or Czechoslovakia
Yeah a couple of the regulars moved away :(
I still have the first 15m prototype aurora 1. It flew brilliantly from the bag.
Confusingly the 8m was a bag of crap.
Then I helped in a small capacity to develop the Cerberus and still have the 10m.
Pansh can be massively hit n miss.
That’s what we have heard as well - that even within the same model and size there can be a lot of variation!
@@OurKiteLife they lack consistency in quality control and even communication with the customer service. If all kites flew as well as the ones I've had (bar 1) they would be a dominating brand just from the bargain they could represent. But they just dont.
How does it compare to the Sonic? It feels more HR, so more similar to the Sonic than the Soul.
We love the Sonic3. I don’t think the Pansh comes even remotely close to the performance of the Sonic3.
It would be nice to have blind experiment
It would be great! But very difficult to actually execute. Would love it if brands would send us blank kites to test/compare but don’t think that will happen anytime soon
Check out the Airwave Koala, very nice kite.
Will do, thanks!
Interesting video, thanks. My curiosity, where is this spot? It looks nice.
Most of the video was filmed in Cayo Coco, Cuba. We were staying at the Pullman Cayo Coco resort.
You used a flysurfer bar, the back lines on the Pansh bar 8" shorter, it would hang at 12 and not much else.
It did fly better on a Slingshot bar 23m, imo a waist of money.
I wouldn’t try it. As a beginner I’d go for a good used Soul to eliminate as many variables out of the equation. At least I’d know that it’s me and not the kite which is the problem.
Guess which lines get a over hand knot. And guess what stops overflying
The aurora 2 was much much better.
Nothing beats the soul. Capa comes close .. but ?!?
Hello. I have Aurora 2, 12 m2. I'ts good kite. 👍
Hi Aleksandr. Are you interested in a Pansh Aurora III 12m2 Ultra Light? Originally I bought it to be able to kite on land under 10 knots. But the kite flies best in stable winds from 11 knots (according my experience). And this size of kite I don't dare to loop on land. So I just flew it several times, never crashed as I always flew in light winds; so it's pretty new.
@@balooa7133 Hello Baloo A! Thank you for your offer. My Kite Aurora 2 suits me and in the near future I do not plan to change it.
@@shaa197 Thanks for the reply. Just an experience question: In which wind range (in knots) and for what are you using your Aurora? Foil, twintip, land?
@@balooa7133 I use my kite Aurora 2 only in winter and in the wind range from 4-4,5 to 14 knots. I use skis or snowboarding. In the summer I use kite Core and twintip.
i would love to buy one ,any stores you recommend?
Which one - Pansh or Soul?
@@OurKiteLife pansh for now ,cause eventually I'll get the soul,budget right now ,i bought a cabrinha mantis wing and a spark,im getting addicted to this however ,im doing on land since i dont know how to swim,😭,i love your videos great info.thanks
That’s awesome :) it’s very addictive sport! Pansh kites can be bought directly though their website - I think that’s the only way actually.
@@OurKiteLife in new york City are kitesurfers a lot ,with nice kites ,thank you.
Did I have right impression that all twintipers disliked the kite whereas the only guy that was foiling couldn't really complain? I mean it's a foiling kite after all... Most us will use LEI kite for twintip.
correct with the only caveat that the foil rider did not do back to back comparison with soul 10m
This strong accent speaking snob is absolutely unadequate in every vid. Zero objectiveness.
For this price tag, there is no R/D, must only be making some profit from materials... Surely must be a copy? Are the other kites in their range similar price?
Furthermore, only one of the testers was riding a foil for a foil kite? The flysurfer has got a great reputation for being a great crossover kite, but maybe this more foil specific?🤷♂
Could be the case! The Pansh website describes this particular kite as good all round performance for kitesurfing, kiteboarding, snowkiting and landboarding. In reality though it could be better suited for hydrofoiling
where is this?
Cayo Coco, Cuba
Definately for that money
7:10 I spy a GVX-3
Good eye
Polish dude is harsh!! Dose he work for sol!?!? Haha
Found one more video comparing Pansh Kestrel with Flysurfer Soul th-cam.com/video/NXhCyAA25to/w-d-xo.html
You probably find the outside steering lines needed to be tightened.
This is what you get for that money 🤣
2 different lengths of lines back & front ? No control, not a happy buyer.
@@ianbardon8581 it's very easy to put right not rocket science 🤣
@@s2oooo I can put on pig tails no problem, but why has it come from the manufacturer with that line set up ?
@@ianbardon8581 it's a cheap Chinese kite only one size is a base model. The other sizes are computer generated so not being tested or tuned 🙈🤣
@@s2oooo so really you don't know what to do, I do , it will make a good dust sheet for my boat. 😁😎
The cheapest is not always the best.
The Genesis broken in the air for the first time i jump
That’s not good! Were you able to fix it?
So the Pansh wins!
Is it as good? No.
Does it work? Yes.
Is it far more affordable and better value for money? Yes.
So, Flysurfer if you are rich and don't mind wasting money. Pansh if you just want to go kite. Just remember to size up.
The best rider liked it and is doing awsome things with it… it proves the point that sharpening our skills goes a long way rather than trying to compensate with gear. Also he is foiling so if the power is much less than the shoul, than there you go. I think the Hawk is the Pansh kite that should be compared to the Soul, it might have helped the fellow who had issues launching it. In the summer I ride exclusively, Inflatables, I don’t care for how slow and non responsive the foil kites are. I think for the price, I might buy a pansh as a go to one size pull it out and go kite rather than dragging my tubes quiver. If less powerful, just take a bigger one…🤷🏻♂
Unfortunately, it seems Pansh do not phase out older models... and their marketing is very poor. From my reading their Genesis which had a refresh a few years ago is slow to turn but a good drifer so would be good in smaller sizes to compete with the FS Hybrid for hydrofoiling at a fraction of the price (or Peak but relaunchable as it has closed cells). Their newer models are designed by a Frenchman who is active on Kiteforum and Lezfoils forum. The Hawk he recommends in sizes up to 9m and the new Kestrel which is a higher aspect (6.4) 45 cell model for larger sizes. I suspect this is less powerful per m2 than the FS Soul but stable and quick to turn. I've ordered a 12m. The Aurora is an older design.
@@phildaintree2794 i bought the Hawk in 10m, cannot complain about the lowend, it was slow but pivotal turn around its axis so it dos not develop much if you steer it hard. No bad habits, tips remained well inflated and did not fold. I bought a different bar, 55cm low V instead of the Core bar, 50cm and à Y. I like it.
You get what you pay for. Who would have known?
I am negatively impressed with the article.
I find, a video published in a worldwide media, at least, disconcerting.
You can't compare Soul's wing profile and in-flight behavior, performance and, handling and fine piloting, with an Aurora.
They are for different programs.
In addition the Soul, you fly it with your original bar and, to the Aurora , you adapt the flysurfer bar, at your discretion.
It does not seem to me, that all riders are impartial, because they are not experts, in the handling and correct piloting of the foil kites. except:
Nr. 1
You can not and should not create a current of opinion based on riders, also inexperienced in the handling and piloting of foil kites.
In addition, the description and argumentation of this man,
it is not at all instructive.
Nr. 2
Well, it handles the foil kite like an LEI, that is, pull - pull of the bar, to "catch" wind, when, the foil kites, with more elongation, Aurora type, need to slide the kite, through the window of the wind and, at the exact moment, pull a little and, then, let it fly.
I do not think that the opinion of this Rider with a VMG 1 or 2, and the twintip, gives him any positive feeling, except the realization that he does not know how to drive them.
I have had and have pansh and, I have had and I have flysurfer.
I am not moved by any commercial interest, but that people know more accurately, how much a kite of € 300 can offer.
Health and luck
Aloha
1) man with the prolimit impact vest
2)Man with black glasses and FCS hat.
This wasn’t a fair comparison, the aurora 3 is shit, was done after one from a friend. Wouldve been more objective if you did the a15 versus soul, it flies really well, comes close to a soul. However flysurfer soul is still king…
sure, that's what comments said - A15 is better, but Aurora 3 is promoted as newest kite developed by pansh, so?
@@OurKiteLife i can't tell you why its shit, it just does fly shit. if you do test the a15, make sure you use the jack-mixer modification (youtube it)
@@OurKiteLife th-cam.com/video/SF4BprFqtNU/w-d-xo.html
Thanks team for the review of the Pansh. I would not buy it. I have learned in my outdoor sports and activities to always go for quality over price. With quality the experience is better, 2ndly can be safer and 3rdly usually lasts longer which 1) better resell value and 2) cost difference narrows if quality product lasts longer. I am sure you can add to my points…
Those are all great points! We didn’t include it in the video, but I think if someone is on a budget it’s worth looking into high quality gently used kites
@@OurKiteLife Great recommendation!
Ridiculous test. You compare a high AR vs. low AR. This test is not cheap vs. expensive. It just proofs how little you and the team seem to know about foilkites. You should compare apples to apples.
not sure what you are talking about, both Aurora and Soul have pretty similar AR (Aurora 5.6 vs Soul 5.5). Additionally, people compare sonics vs soul (low AR vs high AR) all the time. The issue is not kite specifics in this case, but the design and quality
@@OurKiteLife still the characteristics of the kites are very different. Aurora is not good for beginner, Soul is a beginner's kite.
It's fine if you want to compare FreeRace to FreeRide to compare Sonic/Soul. But if you want to compare cheap to expensive both kites should be the same category. In this case most differences you saw are from different goals of the kite's design, not from quality. And on your choice to get thick lines and heavy cloth ;)
But it's all well, some people on your group got it and some didn't. It's fine ;) I really liked how you let every opinion stand on it's own.
Bunch of kooks
Stupidity in Motion.
All hail Wavesailing.
I think this is Flysurfer funboys hive. Not the best place to get unbiased review
Obviously it is a stay steady kite.