Do you know who : **Air Chief Marshal Sir Allan Grant "Angus" Houston, AK, AFC is a retired senior officer of the Royal Australian Air Force. He served as Chief of Air Force from 20 June 2001 and then as the Chief of the Defence Force from 4 July 2005. He retired from the military on 3 July 2011.**
If by armour you mean MBTs and IFVs, Ukraine needs it because it’s a country in the continent of Europe, it’s connected by large, almost uninterrupted land avenues to its potential and current adversaries I.e Russia. Australia is an island continent, we have no land connection to any other country let alone adversary. MBTs have a large logistics train to support and deploy especially by amphibious means. We would be far better served with amphibious IFVs and light tanks with similar capabilities. The Stryker MGS the US is phasing out would be ideal to replace our Abrams and ASLAVs.
ANZAC DAY is a line for all true blue Australians to draw in the sand. It should unlawful for any person to conduct a “Welcome to Country” ceremony on ANZAC DAY. Ex-service and current members of the Australian Defence Forces should not be publicly treated as if their just foreign soldiers standing upon the soil on which they were born. Welcome to Country messaging on ANZAC DAY is a public insult to these men and women who have served past and present and to those that have fallen for the sake of all Australians. The laws in Australia which restrict and prohibit certain activities on ANZAC DAY need to be updated in respect of due honour and observance from all Australians on ANZAC DAY. 🇦🇺💯%
Welcome to Country ! The Japanese who The ANZAC SOLDIERS fought to Keep Australia FREE, would not have allowed The First People the Luxury to walk amongst them.
Australia is the only Nation that has a “Welcome to Country” ceremony Even Woke Qantas is doing it to strangers welcoming them to the lands of our traditional owners as they fly into Australia Qantas is preaching race politics, no other Airline does it Imaging other Airlines trying it as they flew into Belfast with "We pay respects to the traditional owners the Gaels" there would be a riot It's racist and insulting to all those immigrants from different faraway Nations who migrated to Australia and made Australia the wonderful harmonious Mulitucutral Nation we are today All this preaching of victimhood and attempts to create tribalism by favouring one race over the majority It has to stop, we don't need these Ceremony's it's pure RACISM
I was an officer in the period when the Infantry was just light infantry. Turining into a mechanized force was ha huge step forward, reducing it will be a big backward step.
But.... You can learn how to roll towels, make beds with hospital corners and fold socks with smiling faces 😂 Been in over 13 years and looking to get out now. Us soldiers are the peasants of society. It is so much fun working beside contractors who get paid 2-3 times more when you are working 18 hour days with 5-6 hours sleep with no overtime or bonus to pay. The military is the only government job that does not get overtime to my knowledge. Even police get overtime now.
A report said that Australia has around 7 to 10 days worth of reserve fuel in Australia for the army and 3 days worth of ammunition in the event of a full scale war. Most of our reserve fuel is stored in the US (go figure). Well trained troops are useless without ammunition, or fuel for their vehicles.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 and I thought the conversation was about military transportation, so what pronoun do you go by, are you identifying as an English language teacher
@@infidel202 : I identify as the punctuation police. You may call me sir or officer. I see you managed to squeeze in 2 commas and a capital letter for English. Well done! I will give you a C-
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 and I will give you a unt to go with your C,I'm identifying as rebellious so no more commas for you. I'm not into your bondage fantasies so I will identify you as tricycle
James Brown's book "ANZAC's Long Shadow" (2014) highlighted the massive gap between Political and Military communications especially when it concerns the needs ADF require. "Although it is customary for politicians to speak of defence and national security as the first priority of any government, knowledge of defence policy and military matters within parliament is extremely low." (p.76) From my own experiences serving 18 years in the Army, we would be occasionally be subjected to "Dog and Pony shows" where equipment would be scrubbed to inspection standards, hand picked the best in condition. Soldiers would be "Dirked" to get dressed up like mannequins on display with their kit, while others rehearsed a scenario and showed a demonstration for the Pollies. You could see the doe eyed look on their faces and constant head nods as they were escorted around by a small group of officers explaining the tools and equipment knowing full well none of them had a clue of what was being told to them. There was never a critical word said during these events, probably because of exactly that; they wouldn't understand. The Military portfolio is one of the most complex one's parliament needs to manage, much like health however, it's the one that often gets pollictians with the least amount of familiarisation with basic concepts and language of war making the big decisions on it. This issue is not new and has plagued the ADF for many a decade. Political debate on defence has and continues to have a serious lack of critical analysis of soldiering and operations.
@markstanborough7084 The Israli Zionist Generals gave the order to Australian Zionist Generals to land the ANZACS at Gallipoli, Turkey is a strategic foothold to surround Arabia and increase Zionist grip on the northern hemisphere. The originally Zionist are rejects from 5 tribes in ancient Europe, hence why the Isralites wondered the desert for 40yrs before becoming slaves in Egypt
The Isralites are still using the Anglo-Saxons and Celtics to this day, they invented the term "white" so you would forget who you really are, just like the did to Africans outside of Africa they call them "Black" so they forget who they are and same with Native Americans they call the "Latino" But they keep their history intact, they know exactly who they are but we don't
ANDREW HASTIE is 100% correct. We should be doing exactly what Japan is doing and that is rapid rearmament. The Albanese government is placing Australia in a dangerous position every day it delay’s rearmament. Doubling the defence budget from a pathetic 2% to 4% is the minimum starting point and a very simple decision, yet they are incapable of making this decision. This will go down as one of the worst governments in Australia’s history.
We do have agencies which are better equipped for dealing with natural disasters. They are called EMERGENCY SERVICES. Fire, Rescue, Aeromedical, Storms, Fires, and Floods - they do it all. They are far better equipped and trained than the ADF for such contingencies. They do however need to be adequately staffed and supported - by state governments. Emergency response, in all but the most dire circumstances, is not a mission for the ADF. Agree with this element of the DSR 100%
If this is true why in hell did we just sign up for subs? Drop all the go green bullshit and spend more on our ADF. No point having green power if the enemy can walk in the front door unopposed. We're kidding ourselves if we think we're ok.
What has going green got to do with Nuclear subs ? The biggest pull nuclear subs over diesel electric is the endurance. Diesel electric like the collins class have around a 30 day endurance during which they’ll need to regularly surface, Nuclear subs like the Los Angeles class have 90+ days submerged. This sub deal has nothing to do with going green, the biggest stick in the mud for the whole thing is how much and where each of the subs is going to be built in Australia.
@michellesgarden5695 Yep, we should embrace our geographical position and trade with South America and South East Asia. We have the biggest uranium deposits on the planet, we don't need USA and their war industry
@@KingofKings-tx6cm you are aware of treaty restrictions when in comes to uranium? Which country could you sell it to with breaking those restrictions? Australia's defense is secured by the Anglo sphere with the US and 5eyes. Would be foolish to mess that up
What can you expect from Labor, another destruction of capability, not an integrated defence, how about reducing the number of public servants by 30,000 or so to pay for what we need?
Public servants are getting a 10.5% pay increase. Whilst soldiers still work at times 24 hours a day 7 days straight weeks on end in the field for peanuts lol.
A tricky situation. Sparklers or Skyrockets. Being part of the 5 or so generations that doesn't know how to shoot a gun I would go with the skyrockets. Australia is a pretty big place to defend on Land
Errrrm maybe when force projecting, but given we are an Island Continent with no terrestrial connection to any other nation, denying the enemies ability to have air/sea supremacy is first and foremost our priority. If they can’t lodge troops on our shore in the first place, they can’t even start to conquer us. Same goes our way should we want to project to deter or conquer an adversary.
They better not send one more armoured vehicle to Ukraine, whilst they cut our own by more than 50%. This new strategy revolves around the concept of complete denial of the adversary, and this miopic strategy leaves us with nothing to defend the homeland God forbid.
@@selwyn500 "Abo" is simply a typical Australian abbreviation of "Aboriginal". We call ourselves "Aussies". "Black" can only refer to the colour of their skin and "Mob" was always a derogatory term years ago and I don't feel comfortable referring to indigenous people as "That mob".
Australia has never had conscription before. For either of the world wars and Vietnam. We did have national service though, which is something that we should seriously look at. Unfortunately, our society today is built up around a politically correct, woke, feminist and the left wing. I’m confident in saying though that if the shit hit the fan, there would be plenty of people signing up. Just look at what happened when we went into East Timor, there was the potential for that to go side ways very quickly with Indonesia. Defence force recruiting were swamped with people calling in and wanting to join up.
so some form of Mandatory ADF service for those 18 and above could be possible so do you fight .. Or do you act like the Vichy French and collaborate. so here's something to think about Israel's Population approx 10 Million Mandatory 18 year old citizens serve in the IDF .. Defence IDF active personnel 173,000 reserves 465,000 now compare that to Australia population 25 Million 60,500 Active and 30,000 reserves Question is where do you Stand ? also remember Israels land Mass is a fraction of Australia ..
@Blacksky59 What BS? Conscription? Just google has Australia ever had conscription, it’s very easy. And our society being very weak? How many millennials do you think could actually pull a trigger to cause harm to someone? There would still be plenty of younger and older Aussies that would more than likely sign up. And as for conflict with Indonesia, well the Australian Government at the time under King John Howard, told the Indonesian Government we would be sending a single F111 over East Timor (Unarmed) to take real time photo reconnaissances for the Australian forces. The Indonesia Government said they would shoot it down if we sent it. We sent it anyway and just as a precaution, the RAAF had 2 F18’S on the ground, bombed up ready to deploy if the Indo’s fired, of which they didn’t. Conflict with Indonesia was a real possibility back then, the only reason it didn’t happen was because we had US and other UN forces as part of INTERFET. Once again, you can google all that to see if I’m talking BS or not or that I actually know what I’m talking about as I’m educated, unlike you.
@@apothecarymaybe3402 : National service was conscription. You did not have a choice if they chose you. You can play semantics as much as you want but it was conscription.
@@apothecarymaybe3402 First and Second world wars were made up mainly of Regular Army Personnel and Young Male Volunteers yes Aboriginal Australians also served Conscription came into being around 1964 there were conscripts young males 18 yrs selection conditions were under a Birthday Ballot and after basic training most went to Vietnam and fought along side regular ADF service men. I suggest look up the battle of Long Tan 1966 most of Us will Honor those Guys Tomorrow ANZAC Day
Forward installation defenses need cover against attack airborne and land based attacks .. defensive strategy .. Israels Dome against missile strikes, then anti aircraft and shipping cruise missiles .. for surface vessels and finally land based military vehicle forces against ground forces which judging by this report will leave ADF ground forces short of vital equipment .. a Government Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.. Short changing Australia Defense a known specialty of Stephen Smith.. I'd say is being Welcomed in Beijing .. thanks to Socialist / Communist Labor
The Iraq and Afghanistan experiences are irrelevant in this instance, especially in the case of Australia, because we in the main, deployed special forces with some light armor support, not a full sized, integrated task force as in Vietnam. I am a veteran (infantry) of that shambles of a war and at that time the M113 APC’s were handy, but the Centurions couldn’t get to where they could have helped all the time. If we are required to deploy our new missile units into various parts of South East Asia some time in the future, infantry fighting vehicles will not be a much use for the following reasons: (1) Asia still has massive amounts of jungle cover and all the major roads are carved out of that jungle, so they are easily blocked. The use of precision weapons, including man portable anti tank weapons (as shown in Ukraine) would lead to the decimation of any type of vehicle trying to move along those roads. (2) Most of the flat and rolling landscape where infantry fighting vehicles would have room to maneuver is covered with rice paddy, so that again channels them into kill zones. (3) I think we can reasonably confidently say that there will be no more Iraqs or Afghanistans, because no American politician would have the courage to get involved in something like that again, because they would have a revolt on their hands. The American people have had enough of these “forever wars” and that means we would not be galloping off to support these misadventures. (4) If we end up fighting in South East Asia, we will be fighting a peer enemy and we will not have unrestricted air superiority, as has been the case in all of our wars since the second would war and that alone changes all aspects of any conflict we are involved in there. I understand Mr Hastie’s angst at the downgrading of the infantry corp, because as a proud ex infantrymen myself, it is not easy to swallow, but times change and we have to prepare for future wars, not to prepare to fight the last one again. BTW, the American Marine Corp is getting rid of its tanks and preparing to deploy long range precision missile units in the Pacific that will operate on a “shoot and scoot” scenario. The reality being that any missiles we buy/build will be long range, so hopefully that will be well back from where enemy ground forces can interfere with them.
Implement national service, be on the doll for 6-12 months boom guess what you get enlisted to either service or helping build stuff or make stuff for the services, our military should be self sufficient
Hahaha Hawke and his side kick billy bunter did the same in the 80’s…. I still do not think it has changed anything since…it is what it is labor wants to have open arms for whom they a serve!!!
Should the sh.. hit the fan Australia has 5 million 4WD's to requisition, and 600k trucks. Many 4WD's are Hilux's. Spare parts everywhere. Other armies refit them. What we need is missiles and fuel, as our army is good but small.
HASTIE SAS Soldier who shoots people... Vs his Boss Angus Huston. **Air Chief Marshal Sir Allan Grant "Angus" Houston, AK, AFC is a retired senior officer of the Royal Australian Air Force. He served as Chief of Air Force from 20 June 2001 and then as the Chief of the Defence Force from 4 July 2005. He retired from the military on 3 July 2011**
The single biggest priority for the Australian military should be the means to disrupt China's ability to operate its fleet near our shores. That's why missiles and submarines are taking precedence over land-based fighting capabilities (armor and infantry, etc). I think the trade-off makes sense if viewed through that lense.
Im not a labour voter. Labour is right in Australias defence. That many tanks isnt needed. Liberals lost money on subs and didnt make a decision about appaches and lost money. Signed aukus without getting a nuclear sub contract. We need more misiles, attack helicopters, drones and light infantry vehicals. Abram tanks cost a lot and cost to run and are hard to get over to enother country. We need hypersonic missiles. With a small population we need force multipliers. We have bae systems loyal wing man for helicopters. We need upgraded tanks but im all for cutting cost on tanks when we can have a detterent from offence. Tanks are great if you have a neighbouring country and not huge land. One drone is cheaper and could destroy a tank. What ive seen in the white papers the defense procurements is way more logical under the labour party. To have a tank infantry to guard himars is silly to. Weirdly the liberals were all over the place with defense procurements. I prefer this way a lot more. Liberals did well for the royal air force, communications and radars but by the looks of what labour will have by 2025 looks good.
Diminished or Restructuring or Repositioning of Priorities are just other words for cost cutting or we got no money….a-lot-o- people seem to forget the loan we got out to pay for Covid😂 a debt we got for the next 60yrs
Yep but can give them to Ukrainian Dearing us for his China mates to take over If anything should be training the young unemployed to give them skills So they can apply for jobs in their future when done a term in military
build 4 cruisers 4 destroyers with 96 vls and an aircraft carrier by the end of this year. boom you will be in a lot better position. you can man them later.
Recruitment won't be helped when the only deployments soldiers get is COVID, fire and flood assist taskings.... Just saying. Better to get an actual job in the SES.
Given the OH&S risks of being in the military and the fact you could get severely injured or even killed it should be shut down till the government makes it safe for anyone that wants to join. Just like any other workplace the employer needs to ensure its a zero harm workplace. If someone gets hurt does this leave the military open to law suits for failure of duty of care ?
No. The risks of joining any arm of the military are well known to any who choose to join, that being said the supplying of correct PPE and other equipment to attempt to minimise harm to soldiers is needed. I do, however sincerely hope your comment is said in jest, but am all in favour of letting OH&S officials loose on any country even thinking of engaging in war, the paperwork required would offset the entire thing by decades 😂.
Perhaps use Armoured Corp with infantry, like 3/4 cav and 2 cav...Infintry wreck their vehicles. 5/7 used to have their vehicles leaking oil. Perhaps this bloke needs to know what he is on about.
Proving yet again the amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics.
Hastie is a professional.
I expected nothing less from Labor. They have never cared about our soldiers safety, etc.
Army is eating more tax payers money in Australia
I trust Hastie more than I trust Marles or Albo
Do you know who : **Air Chief Marshal Sir Allan Grant "Angus" Houston, AK, AFC is a retired senior officer of the Royal Australian Air Force. He served as Chief of Air Force from 20 June 2001 and then as the Chief of the Defence Force from 4 July 2005. He retired from the military on 3 July 2011.**
Really? Why didn't they do anything while in power?
@@peterremkes9376 Albo is in power now. What has he done Pete old chap?
Hastie isnt exactly welcome in some country...its interesting🤔
I hear he's very "handy"
If armour is so unnecessary, why does the Ukraine want it so much? A question no reporter had the wit to ask.
If by armour you mean MBTs and IFVs, Ukraine needs it because it’s a country in the continent of Europe, it’s connected by large, almost uninterrupted land avenues to its potential and current adversaries I.e Russia.
Australia is an island continent, we have no land connection to any other country let alone adversary. MBTs have a large logistics train to support and deploy especially by amphibious means. We would be far better served with amphibious IFVs and light tanks with similar capabilities.
The Stryker MGS the US is phasing out would be ideal to replace our Abrams and ASLAVs.
@@5RndsFFE and how would the army travel, on foot, helicopter, Qantas
@@infidel202 Travel where ? To aggressor nations ?
By sea or air obviously.
@@5RndsFFE Stryker is an armoured vehicle though. The very things Labor and defence now say are not necessary!
@@gavwilson3413 I’m saying Tanks aren’t overly necessary for an island nation, not armoured vehicles per say
Well Albo needs more money for the voice and their woke policies 😂😂
Once the voice is enshrined in our constitution the Aboriginal advisors will recommend spears and boomerangs be given to all of our troops.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 not going to happen
Not to worry, Penny Wong will double talk us out of any hostile threat. Just like Neville Chamberlian.
😂😂
Wong. You mean China's Manchurian candidate
Don't trust her loyalty.
ANZAC DAY is a line for all true blue Australians to draw in the sand.
It should unlawful for any person to conduct a “Welcome to Country” ceremony on ANZAC DAY.
Ex-service and current members of the Australian Defence Forces should not be publicly treated as if their just foreign soldiers standing upon the soil on which they were born.
Welcome to Country messaging on ANZAC DAY is a public insult to these men and women who have served past and present and to those that have fallen for the sake of all Australians.
The laws in Australia which restrict and prohibit certain activities on ANZAC DAY need to be updated in respect of due honour and observance from all Australians on ANZAC DAY.
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Nutjob city limits.
Nonsense.
Welcome to Country ! The Japanese who The ANZAC SOLDIERS fought to Keep Australia FREE, would not have allowed The First People the Luxury to walk amongst them.
I wonder if they'll do a Welcome to Country if an invasion starts ??
Australia is the only Nation that has a “Welcome to Country” ceremony
Even Woke Qantas is doing it to strangers welcoming them to the lands of our traditional owners as they fly into Australia
Qantas is preaching race politics, no other Airline does it
Imaging other Airlines trying it as they flew into Belfast with "We pay respects to the traditional owners the Gaels" there would be a riot
It's racist and insulting to all those immigrants from different faraway Nations who migrated to Australia and made Australia the wonderful harmonious Mulitucutral Nation we are today
All this preaching of victimhood and attempts to create tribalism by favouring one race over the majority
It has to stop, we don't need these Ceremony's it's pure RACISM
I was an officer in the period when the Infantry was just light infantry. Turining into a mechanized force was ha huge step forward, reducing it will be a big backward step.
I agree mate 💯💯
Hastie, Dutton & Price seem to be the only ones in the Coalition who give a straight answer and communicate clearly with these interviews.
Dutton straight lies
@@KingofKings-tx6cm rubbish
@@fastbackseventyseven3553 albanese and bowen
@@fastbackseventyseven3553 Ya mum 🥲
@fastbackseventyseven3553 There's 50 d!cks on the wall how many are you choking on?
You can never replace boots on the ground with just missiles. An overall use of both are important.
Why would anybody join The Australian military, I’m an ex member and I’d tell anybody who would listen, DON’T JOIN.
But.... You can learn how to roll towels, make beds with hospital corners and fold socks with smiling faces 😂
Been in over 13 years and looking to get out now. Us soldiers are the peasants of society. It is so much fun working beside contractors who get paid 2-3 times more when you are working 18 hour days with 5-6 hours sleep with no overtime or bonus to pay.
The military is the only government job that does not get overtime to my knowledge. Even police get overtime now.
I agree with Andrew 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
I have listened to inexperienced politicians, I believe in Andrew Hastie , cannot argue with first hand experience and knowledge.
The NDIS needs to be cut right back, and that money allocated to defence.
Well, that isn't going to happen! NDIS is where the biggest opportunity to run scams is, and Labor knows it.
A report said that Australia has around 7 to 10 days worth of reserve fuel in Australia for the army and 3 days worth of ammunition in the event of a full scale war. Most of our reserve fuel is stored in the US (go figure). Well trained troops are useless without ammunition, or fuel for their vehicles.
Didn't you just say 3 and 2
@@infidel202 : Hey Mark. There is a great recent invention. It is called punctuation. You should try it.
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 and I thought the conversation was about military transportation, so what pronoun do you go by, are you identifying as an English language teacher
@@infidel202 : I identify as the punctuation police. You may call me sir or officer.
I see you managed to squeeze in 2 commas and a capital letter for English.
Well done! I will give you a C-
@@sidecarmisanthrope5927 and I will give you a unt to go with your C,I'm identifying as rebellious so no more commas for you.
I'm not into your bondage fantasies so I will identify you as tricycle
Agreed, no trade offs
James Brown's book "ANZAC's Long Shadow" (2014) highlighted the massive gap between Political and Military communications especially when it concerns the needs ADF require. "Although it is customary for politicians to speak of defence and national security as the first priority of any government, knowledge of defence policy and military matters within parliament is extremely low." (p.76) From my own experiences serving 18 years in the Army, we would be occasionally be subjected to "Dog and Pony shows" where equipment would be scrubbed to inspection standards, hand picked the best in condition. Soldiers would be "Dirked" to get dressed up like mannequins on display with their kit, while others rehearsed a scenario and showed a demonstration for the Pollies. You could see the doe eyed look on their faces and constant head nods as they were escorted around by a small group of officers explaining the tools and equipment knowing full well none of them had a clue of what was being told to them. There was never a critical word said during these events, probably because of exactly that; they wouldn't understand. The Military portfolio is one of the most complex one's parliament needs to manage, much like health however, it's the one that often gets pollictians with the least amount of familiarisation with basic concepts and language of war making the big decisions on it. This issue is not new and has plagued the ADF for many a decade. Political debate on defence has and continues to have a serious lack of critical analysis of soldiering and operations.
The Isralites stitched us up in WW2 Gallipoli
@@KingofKings-tx6cm in what way
We need more Veterans in Parliament 🤙
@markstanborough7084 The Israli Zionist Generals gave the order to Australian Zionist Generals to land the ANZACS at Gallipoli, Turkey is a strategic foothold to surround Arabia and increase Zionist grip on the northern hemisphere.
The originally Zionist are rejects from 5 tribes in ancient Europe, hence why the Isralites wondered the desert for 40yrs before becoming slaves in Egypt
The Isralites are still using the Anglo-Saxons and Celtics to this day, they invented the term "white" so you would forget who you really are, just like the did to Africans outside of Africa they call them "Black" so they forget who they are and same with Native Americans they call the "Latino"
But they keep their history intact, they know exactly who they are but we don't
ANDREW HASTIE is 100% correct. We should be doing exactly what Japan is doing and that is rapid rearmament. The Albanese government is placing Australia in a dangerous position every day it delay’s rearmament. Doubling the defence budget from a pathetic 2% to 4% is the minimum starting point and a very simple decision, yet they are incapable of making this decision. This will go down as one of the worst governments in Australia’s history.
The LNP cut defence spending by billions
We do have agencies which are better equipped for dealing with natural disasters. They are called EMERGENCY SERVICES. Fire, Rescue, Aeromedical, Storms, Fires, and Floods - they do it all. They are far better equipped and trained than the ADF for such contingencies. They do however need to be adequately staffed and supported - by state governments.
Emergency response, in all but the most dire circumstances, is not a mission for the ADF. Agree with this element of the DSR 100%
Sounds like a good time give back the right to own arms to the citizenry.
If this is true why in hell did we just sign up for subs? Drop all the go green bullshit and spend more on our ADF. No point having green power if the enemy can walk in the front door unopposed. We're kidding ourselves if we think we're ok.
What has going green got to do with Nuclear subs ?
The biggest pull nuclear subs over diesel electric is the endurance. Diesel electric like the collins class have around a 30 day endurance during which they’ll need to regularly surface, Nuclear subs like the Los Angeles class have 90+ days submerged.
This sub deal has nothing to do with going green, the biggest stick in the mud for the whole thing is how much and where each of the subs is going to be built in Australia.
@@5RndsFFE subs are not the problem, it's the way AUSTRALIA is being led like a lamb to slaughter with the whole gotta go green bullshit.
Hastie what a weapon 👍
Mr Hastie the voice of common sense sense, experience and reality, labor/greens the voice of rainbows and unicorns
Before thinking about a defence policy, Oz must get a foreign policy of our own.😊
With the US looking at blockading the Suez canal to get their own way we might have to make a decision soon
Australia did that pre-1980 and caused a recession and everyone was starving.
So we let the POC immigrants in and they saved Australia
@michellesgarden5695 Yep, we should embrace our geographical position and trade with South America and South East Asia.
We have the biggest uranium deposits on the planet, we don't need USA and their war industry
@@KingofKings-tx6cm you are aware of treaty restrictions when in comes to uranium? Which country could you sell it to with breaking those restrictions?
Australia's defense is secured by the Anglo sphere with the US and 5eyes. Would be foolish to mess that up
@AndrewFosterEsquire POC be foolish to take anything an Anglo or Celtic as truth.
Yous don't know the meaning of the word.
We need our army.
Not really, we need good relationships with Asia
@@KingofKings-tx6cm another Chardonnay socialist
@@KingofKings-tx6cm, wumao
@AussieNess008 You neglected one key factor in the description of wumao, we're not in China!
@@KingofKings-tx6cm you don't have to be in china to be a han troll
Spot on!
See what Australian politicians do is before they lie down in front of a steamroller they always put the people first then👍😑
Hastie has done the real hard yards, unlike Marles, Albo and the rest of the alp front bench.
@@Design_no too right
Are we about to see the next wave of National Service? I wish they would be more transparent on serious issues like this
The B2 Spirit Bombers would be very valuable for Australia.
We don’t have infrastructure to maintain them.
Labor disagrees with you and they are not interested in them.
That have ruled them out.
What can you expect from Labor, another destruction of capability, not an integrated defence, how about reducing the number of public servants by 30,000 or so to pay for what we need?
Public servants are getting a 10.5% pay increase. Whilst soldiers still work at times 24 hours a day 7 days straight weeks on end in the field for peanuts lol.
Our young soldiers are getting out...they realise the lack of leadership, spending and value the governments and community place on them.
A tricky situation. Sparklers or Skyrockets.
Being part of the 5 or so generations that doesn't know how to shoot a gun I would go with the skyrockets. Australia is a pretty big place to defend on Land
Fancy missiles, warships, submarines and aircraft are great, however........ its boots on the ground that actually win battles and wars....... END OF.
Errrrm maybe when force projecting, but given we are an Island Continent with no terrestrial connection to any other nation, denying the enemies ability to have air/sea supremacy is first and foremost our priority.
If they can’t lodge troops on our shore in the first place, they can’t even start to conquer us.
Same goes our way should we want to project to deter or conquer an adversary.
It is a combination of both. As both are integral to each other.
They better not send one more armoured vehicle to Ukraine, whilst they cut our own by more than 50%. This new strategy revolves around the concept of complete denial of the adversary, and this miopic strategy leaves us with nothing to defend the homeland God forbid.
They are cutting our capability by 66% actually.
You'd think we would of learnt from ww2 when japan attacked and we didn't have an airforce
Giving new capability is good for the defence. But down grading other isn't good idea.
This government should take advice from the likes of Andrew Hastie who has had plenty of experience in the defence
Future prime minister, hopefully.
Finally some sense...
Slash spending on the abo's. Five nuclear subs, right there.
Hey watch your language mate. Abo is a very derogatory term and is highly offensive to us. Why you got to go there?
@@selwyn500 It's normal up north.
@@selwyn500 "Abo" is simply a typical Australian abbreviation of "Aboriginal". We call ourselves "Aussies". "Black" can only refer to the colour of their skin and "Mob" was always a derogatory term years ago and I don't feel comfortable referring to indigenous people as "That mob".
Get ready for conscription, I wonder if they will do a televised birthday draw like last time... lotto with your life
Australia has never had conscription before. For either of the world wars and Vietnam. We did have national service though, which is something that we should seriously look at. Unfortunately, our society today is built up around a politically correct, woke, feminist and the left wing. I’m confident in saying though that if the shit hit the fan, there would be plenty of people signing up. Just look at what happened when we went into East Timor, there was the potential for that to go side ways very quickly with Indonesia. Defence force recruiting were swamped with people calling in and wanting to join up.
so some form of Mandatory ADF service for those 18 and above could be possible so do you fight .. Or do you act like the Vichy French and collaborate. so here's something to think about Israel's Population approx 10 Million Mandatory 18 year old citizens serve in the IDF .. Defence IDF active personnel 173,000 reserves 465,000 now compare that to Australia population 25 Million 60,500 Active and 30,000 reserves Question is where do you Stand ? also remember Israels land Mass is a fraction of Australia ..
@Blacksky59 What BS? Conscription? Just google has Australia ever had conscription, it’s very easy. And our society being very weak? How many millennials do you think could actually pull a trigger to cause harm to someone? There would still be plenty of younger and older Aussies that would more than likely sign up. And as for conflict with Indonesia, well the Australian Government at the time under King John Howard, told the Indonesian Government we would be sending a single F111 over East Timor (Unarmed) to take real time photo reconnaissances for the Australian forces. The Indonesia Government said they would shoot it down if we sent it. We sent it anyway and just as a precaution, the RAAF had 2 F18’S on the ground, bombed up ready to deploy if the Indo’s fired, of which they didn’t. Conflict with Indonesia was a real possibility back then, the only reason it didn’t happen was because we had US and other UN forces as part of INTERFET. Once again, you can google all that to see if I’m talking BS or not or that I actually know what I’m talking about as I’m educated, unlike you.
@@apothecarymaybe3402 : National service was conscription. You did not have a choice if they chose you. You can play semantics as much as you want but it was conscription.
@@apothecarymaybe3402 First and Second world wars were made up mainly of Regular Army Personnel and Young Male Volunteers yes Aboriginal Australians also served
Conscription came into being around 1964 there were conscripts young males 18 yrs selection conditions were under a Birthday Ballot and after basic training most went to Vietnam and fought along side regular ADF service men.
I suggest look up the battle of Long Tan 1966 most of Us will Honor those Guys Tomorrow ANZAC Day
So what is going to the 2 battle groups that are not needed ? And which battle groups get the chop ?
Forward installation defenses need cover against attack airborne and land based attacks .. defensive strategy .. Israels Dome against missile strikes, then anti aircraft and shipping cruise missiles .. for surface vessels and finally land based military vehicle forces against ground forces which judging by this report will leave ADF ground forces short of vital equipment .. a Government Robbing Peter to Pay Paul.. Short changing Australia Defense a known specialty of Stephen Smith.. I'd say is being Welcomed in Beijing .. thanks to Socialist / Communist Labor
The best thing we as a country could do is raise taskforce groups that incorporate all corps.
The Iraq and Afghanistan experiences are irrelevant in this instance, especially in the case of Australia, because we in the main, deployed special forces with some light armor support, not a full sized, integrated task force as in Vietnam. I am a veteran (infantry) of that shambles of a war and at that time the M113 APC’s were handy, but the Centurions couldn’t get to where they could have helped all the time. If we are required to deploy our new missile units into various parts of South East Asia some time in the future, infantry fighting vehicles will not be a much use for the following reasons: (1) Asia still has massive amounts of jungle cover and all the major roads are carved out of that jungle, so they are easily blocked. The use of precision weapons, including man portable anti tank weapons (as shown in Ukraine) would lead to the decimation of any type of vehicle trying to move along those roads. (2) Most of the flat and rolling landscape where infantry fighting vehicles would have room to maneuver is covered with rice paddy, so that again channels them into kill zones. (3) I think we can reasonably confidently say that there will be no more Iraqs or Afghanistans, because no American politician would have the courage to get involved in something like that again, because they would have a revolt on their hands. The American people have had enough of these “forever wars” and that means we would not be galloping off to support these misadventures. (4) If we end up fighting in South East Asia, we will be fighting a peer enemy and we will not have unrestricted air superiority, as has been the case in all of our wars since the second would war and that alone changes all aspects of any conflict we are involved in there. I understand Mr Hastie’s angst at the downgrading of the infantry corp, because as a proud ex infantrymen myself, it is not easy to swallow, but times change and we have to prepare for future wars, not to prepare to fight the last one again. BTW, the American Marine Corp is getting rid of its tanks and preparing to deploy long range precision missile units in the Pacific that will operate on a “shoot and scoot” scenario. The reality being that any missiles we buy/build will be long range, so hopefully that will be well back from where enemy ground forces can interfere with them.
The AK-47's are always hidden under the rice.
Implement national service, be on the doll for 6-12 months boom guess what you get enlisted to either service or helping build stuff or make stuff for the services, our military should be self sufficient
See you at 0900 at Defence recruiting.
As long as it applies to women too.
Hahaha Hawke and his side kick billy bunter did the same in the 80’s…. I still do not think it has changed anything since…it is what it is labor wants to have open arms for whom they a serve!!!
Should the sh.. hit the fan Australia has 5 million 4WD's to requisition, and 600k trucks. Many 4WD's are Hilux's. Spare parts everywhere. Other armies refit them. What we need is missiles and fuel, as our army is good but small.
HASTIE SAS Soldier who shoots people... Vs his Boss Angus Huston. **Air Chief Marshal Sir Allan Grant "Angus" Houston, AK, AFC is a retired senior officer of the Royal Australian Air Force. He served as Chief of Air Force from 20 June 2001 and then as the Chief of the Defence Force from 4 July 2005. He retired from the military on 3 July 2011**
you know, your absurd commentary makes you look a total fool.
And you sleep safely at night due to such service.
@Blacksky59 , I was responding to "Dominic Pelle".
So someone already gave our country up...without a fight🤨
This is clearly a defence strategy to appease the yanks and support their arms industry even more than we do already, oh hail the warmongers!😢
Arm up because the CCP has no limits
The single biggest priority for the Australian military should be the means to disrupt China's ability to operate its fleet near our shores. That's why missiles and submarines are taking precedence over land-based fighting capabilities (armor and infantry, etc). I think the trade-off makes sense if viewed through that lense.
If they increase defense funding they could do both. All that wasted money and equipment going to Ukraine...
No mention of Peace and diplomacy.
Free Julian Assange
Totally agree andrew . Labour is so disappointing
Naturally. Labor want Chinese control.
The HIMAR is expensive and Contractors needs money.
And the soldiers working alongside the contractors will get out and become contractors because the Army pay is bad.
typical, Labor is cutting defence spending
Im not a labour voter. Labour is right in Australias defence. That many tanks isnt needed. Liberals lost money on subs and didnt make a decision about appaches and lost money. Signed aukus without getting a nuclear sub contract. We need more misiles, attack helicopters, drones and light infantry vehicals. Abram tanks cost a lot and cost to run and are hard to get over to enother country. We need hypersonic missiles. With a small population we need force multipliers. We have bae systems loyal wing man for helicopters. We need upgraded tanks but im all for cutting cost on tanks when we can have a detterent from offence. Tanks are great if you have a neighbouring country and not huge land. One drone is cheaper and could destroy a tank. What ive seen in the white papers the defense procurements is way more logical under the labour party. To have a tank infantry to guard himars is silly to. Weirdly the liberals were all over the place with defense procurements. I prefer this way a lot more. Liberals did well for the royal air force, communications and radars but by the looks of what labour will have by 2025 looks good.
Diminished or Restructuring or Repositioning of Priorities are just other words for cost cutting or we got no money….a-lot-o- people seem to forget the loan we got out to pay for Covid😂 a debt we got for the next 60yrs
Typical Labor
Yep but can give them to Ukrainian
Dearing us for his China mates to take over
If anything should be training the young unemployed to give them skills
So they can apply for jobs in their future when done a term in military
We must buy missiles Ukraine needs them.
build 4 cruisers 4 destroyers with 96 vls and an aircraft carrier by the end of this year. boom you will be in a lot better position. you can man them later.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
There are no threats which would not need American intervention. So pray that Trump is not elected again.
Covid proved who Australia are
Recruitment won't be helped when the only deployments soldiers get is COVID, fire and flood assist taskings.... Just saying. Better to get an actual job in the SES.
You have lost your mind
What hope have We got when the CCP invade ?
Given the OH&S risks of being in the military and the fact you could get severely injured or even killed it should be shut down till the government makes it safe for anyone that wants to join. Just like any other workplace the employer needs to ensure its a zero harm workplace. If someone gets hurt does this leave the military open to law suits for failure of duty of care ?
😂😂😂
Wumao
No. The risks of joining any arm of the military are well known to any who choose to join, that being said the supplying of correct PPE and other equipment to attempt to minimise harm to soldiers is needed.
I do, however sincerely hope your comment is said in jest, but am all in favour of letting OH&S officials loose on any country even thinking of engaging in war, the paperwork required would offset the entire thing by decades 😂.
Rivalitas in economic,militery difend is usual problem.
Let's get use to the Chinese flag flying in Canberra
Perhaps use Armoured Corp with infantry, like 3/4 cav and 2 cav...Infintry wreck their vehicles. 5/7 used to have their vehicles leaking oil. Perhaps this bloke needs to know what he is on about.
Why Australia needs army capability to serve uncle Sam invasion plan 😂😂😂
Wumao
@@4thought___ 😉
New immigrants over 18 could do National service, around a MILLION, on there way soon to Australia!
Place the soldiers in the nuclear submarines, safest place for them.
War mongers, god will sort you lot out personally. Mark his words.
Which god ?
@@5RndsFFE : Odin obviously. Odin promised to rid the world of Ice Giants and today there are none. It has got to be Odin.
Wumao
@@5RndsFFE Loki
trucks???wtf lol...just get a few utes and its sorted lol
How about deter by denying china iron ore coaletc
Labour do this every time Thier in power
Says the regiment rat,he got 2sasr regiments ,1rar commando regiment disbanded an swore allegiance to the monarchy,bit rich coming from a traitor
If hes from Perth i wouldnt listen to him.
yep were getting invaded nice job
Who is Australia afraid of?
Wumao
@@4thought___ Zionist
The lnp
Hastie is a lightweight.
Nice bait 👍
Yeah. I'm sure you could take him.
I am sure Shaun could take him on with his dress on and in his safe space. Maybe get his Greens mates to help him
At best.