@@dimplick lol, but jokes aside, isn’t water going to block the 5g signals? Since 5g has a short wavelength, it has trouble travelling to a medium like water, in fact, rain can disrupt 5g signals immensely.
@@noname-codm4590 yes its completely unviable for submarines to communicate through water, they actually have a tethered buoy they release to the surface for outside communications. Even low frequency signals pass like shit through water.
We just watched an ad for microsoft promoting how it plans to get around the issue of data centers in international waters not having to worry about your country's laws.
@@a.b.c.d.e... except for undersea cables. The Mediterranean sea comes to mind. As well as places like Hawaii where they're connecting else where by undersea cable anyways.
Patent 060606, what a neat patent filed by Microsoft! They want to measure and control our internal body data with wearable & implantable devices and then monetize that data through a blockchain ledger system…definitely not nefarious! Not one bit
Just put the garden hose through the window, that’s what I do when the supermarket is sold out of toilet paper cause people are bulk buying during covid lock down
IT server support personnel have to be very highly skilled and experienced in deep sea diving. IT staff: "Where is the external connection port? The whole thing is full of corals" 😅
@@goodcat1982 yeah. that’s why they announced Microsoft is partnering with SpaceX Starlink to make a version in space. Also the storage has pretty complicated encryption that can’t be easily hacked if it’s even possible there’s probably a self destruct or something if someone tries to hack it. But sabotage they probably can figure out a way to put cameras on it which is pretty cheap nowadays.
Except that adopting this practice at scale is simply having disposable data centers deposited onto the seafloor with more being sunk as they each loose their function over time. Without global regulation that extended into international waters and required the removal of the data centers, this would just be littering the seas and indeed the video suggested that as a good thing in establishing artificial reefs so they are not intending to retrieve these data centers.
@@SuWoopSparrow You used the word "suggest" and in that they do as they were trying to rationalize leaving it as a reef was beneficial. I would agree it does not mean they would but it does "suggest" they would and there would be a significant monetary advantage in doing so. Even the current practice of reserving fuel for a controlled re-entry of a commercial satellite is continuing bypassed for extended useful life. If there's a monetary advantage, there is no doubt that violating even established environmental and safety practices will be considered. They most certainly suggested the data centres would be left as artificial reefs.
I don't think they intend to ever pull it out if they choose to do this. They would just sink another data center and let the failing data center become an artificial reef. Eventually the hull would corrode and the plastics would degrade into microplastics and the lead solder would dissipate into the sea. When they said the marine life lived it as an artificial reef, you knew the intent was to simply litter the sea with them.
@@eiolenimea but this isn't a reef or anywhere close to a reef. Very stupid comparison. Fish adapt quickly, they will hardly notice that the maintenance happened
It is good that the video also includes the issue related to artificial heat in the ocean. It would be interesting to compare the efficiency and impact of heat generated in the ocean vs heat in land.
They have not given any numbers on how warm the water is that is directly next to one of them. And they are ignoring the fact that it is not one capsule but thousands or tens of thousands.
What is it with you people who have to comment in *every single video* about the fact that TH-cam recommended you this video? How the fuck do you think you'd organically find new videos without searching if TH-cam didn't recommend them to you?
Even if they kill all of it, it wouldn't matter. The things that grew on it will have years to reproduce on the server. It'll still be more algae and sea life than they started with.
Yeah, and he's not addressing the scaling of the project. This container can store the equivalent of "100,000 Macbooks" according to the video. That's not a lot. but for simplicity's sake let's say these servers are only open to private use (non-commercial) and each person is limited to one Macbooks worth of storage. Let's use the city of Cape Town (shown at 2:05) as an example. The city alone has over 400,000 residents. So you would need at least 4 of these to provide storage, just for the city. The video states the effect is "a fraction of a degree". Assuming our goal is to keep the change at less than 1 degree, that fraction would have to be smaller than a quarter of a degree. That is just for the city of Cape Town. The population of the surrounding metro area is over 4 million. Which means to use this to provide storage for Cape Town and surrounds would require the thermal output of one of these to cause less than 0.025 of a degree warming within the affected area. And that's just to be able to say you're not the specific reason for that 1 degree heat increase. It's not good enough considering we need to be doing the opposite and reducing the heat in our oceans.
@@18booma Are you measuring the temperature 1cm from the output or 5cm away from the output. 5cm^3 = 125 times the heat energy required to heat it to the same temperature as 1cm^3
As a datacenter tech, I can tell you we have to do far more maintenance on servers than people realize. I doubt most companies want to risk loss of data due to the fact you can't perform maintenance right away.
I don't work in a datacentre and the same question came to me, What happens if you require rapid physical replacement of like idk a few hard drives or what ever. If this was a data centre on land it would probably be fixed on the spot no problem what so ever. But at sea you need to consider weather as well just to go out and actually try recover it.
This is interesting. I would love to see the drive failure rate vs the land based equivalent. Failing drives is an inevitability, and accessing these fully submerged data centres for repair seems highly unlikely. They are designed to be fully self-contained and untampered with until they are pulled up and opened.
They will never be pulled up for repairs or upgrades, new data centres would just be sunk as needed. One of the advantages is to avoid regulations on e-waste disposal.
Cooling would be a lot easier but they'll have to pay a bonus for people to go down there for administration and maintenance. We restricted our janitorial staff to only mopping the aisles and not even up to the servers. The server's themselves become obsolete and are replaced before dirt on the servers become an issue. Interesting that as they intended it to be sealed for it's operational life, they could've filled it with something more thermally conductive such as mineral oil rather than nitrogen, that would've allowed the computers to be operated at higher clock rates. Using a fluid would also make the structure impervious to hydraulic pressure from the sea so the container would not have to resist the pressures of the deep.
Mineral oil would not be a green choice - that would be a lot of petroleum needed to be refined and a big problem if it leaks into the ocean. But perhaps there is a substance that is (a) in liquid state at ocean temperatures, (b) made easily from renewable or abundant sources, (c) inert to electronics and other materials in the data center, (d) electrically non-conductive, and (e) not harmful to marine life even if leaked in large quantities. I don't know what substances check all those boxes, though. Nitrogen checks all the boxes except not being a liquid.
@@L4JP It only needs to be a dielectric liquid and there are plenty of organic ones such as vegetable oil. I only mentioned mineral oil as it's a common one used by overclockers. Needless to say, a liquid could not only transfer heat better but resist ocean pressures thereby only needing an adiabatic hull rather than a pressure hull. However, something relatively non-reactive which would simply leave the sea such as nitrogen might be a choice if you intended to never retrieve the data centre. Yes, some overclockers use vegetable oil but different types of vegetable oils have different acid levels so greater care must be taken with organic dielectric liquids.
They won't talk about that. This experimental setup may not have had measurable impact but a large data center would certainly have a profound impact on the local sea life.
They could easily place them in the Deeper Great lakes to provide centers in the midlands too. Their deep temperatures would surely work for cooling And there is plenty of 100' + deep water close to shore and big metro areas.
Microsoft employees were probably looking for a European vacation. Puget Sound would be fine too. In fact, you could sink one off Bill Gates dock on Lake Washington.
So regular land data centers are bad for the environment & are contributing to rising seawater temperatures, but heating that seawater directly is somehow much better for the environment and temps xD
Great to hear that we have a new way to trough away energy... The warmth could be used for house-heating or multiple other low-temperature demanding tasks as well. It would be nice to consider this temperature difference as a feature and not a bug
for you to get warmth from those servers would mean that they need to be warm tho. and warm servers break faster. so maybe the energy you would use for cooling the datacenters now can be uset to heat the houses
It won't work for heating homes, but you can imagine integrating them into desalination plants, in a storage tank that's thermally insulated from ocean water. This way the water is warmer before going into the actual plant where it's evaporated, making it evaporate faster. This would also provide easier access to the device, should anything go wrong. I don't know if it'll work, but it's interesting imagining possibilities that will have multiple uses and less negative impact on the ocean environment.
@Kelvin Getafix this is my logic not sure if its 100% correct. If u want to store it in a big pool then its literally the same as land but you need to change the water everytime, then if ts in the river then might block it idk, but big pool is a big nono a river is uhh maybe i cant find answer to this
@Kelvin Getafix That would undermine the power savings from the cooling system, and a pool will never be as deep or as consistant as the ocean floor, making the data centers vulnerable to the same natural effects as in air ones.
I think it’s a great idea, AS LONG AS Microsoft holds accountability and takes precaution in minimising the environmental impact of placing their data centres at the ocean floor, including when things go wrong.
As long as they use international waters they won’t have any problems. And with the added saving in power costs the stock could make us all a nice payday 😀
3:35 What do you mean with "combined output of 27.6 peta bytes"? 27.6 peta bytes of "storage capacity" or 27.6 peta bytes per [insert unknown time unit here] of throughput?
I don't get it either. But probably the storage on the drives on these particular 864 servers combined. So the tube has 27 peta bytes storage capability.
You've got Microsoft hosting data servers in the ocean to dissipate heat directly into the ocean and you're worried about the CO2 from my truck causing global warming...? Lmfao
Surely if the underwater data centre uses the surrounding seawater to provide cooling, there would be a transfer of energy into the water, therefore warming the sea?
We should ask a question, how those data centres will affect the oceans? Will they heat up the water? How severely? If so, how will it change the current balance?
At sea, the issue is that biology would dig through any protective layer including ceramics. There's a reason why ships used to have red bottoms, they used toxic metal impregnated paints to discourage marine life from attaching to them. Harbours are now starting to ban such painted hulls as the heavy metals dissipates into the waters and regulations are starting to hold harbours accountable for the pollution.
On paper I think this sounds good, and I will applaud thinking outside the box for solutions. However when taking into account the heat generated by "thousands" of these in a local area the temperature increase would be different from 1 single unit getting an uninterrupted flow for cooling. The point about marine life loving solid structures I think is good, again the cavate here being that once it is "established" over a series of years, you pull up the units for maintenance and thereby disturb the whole environment. Sorry to sound to pessimistic
as a person who supports data centers and knows how often hardware failures happen I have alot of worries about the ability to get in and replace parts as they fail
You do realize that intent will be to never retrieve the data centres but just to sink new ones. One of the advantages would be to avoid regulations with e-wastes.
These also provide protection from EMP and Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) i.e. solar storms from sun. Great idea - dude it's 8 million servers not 8 million data centers but great movie thank you.
@@GobiAtanari Microsoft : Let's be friends and work together.Lets make a data center in Heaven..... Google: okay wait for me to join in,Let's have party together in my present data centers
@@GobiAtanari Microsoft: Okay I see Google: Then we should plan to make it happen.... Apple :Why are you guys making my buissnes down without any invitation.Already windows 365 is going to make my life hell now if you make data centers so fast and reliable what will happen to my ARM Mac's 😭 Huawei : You planned to harm us and it our reply, you steal people's money with crap consumers items and we make computing a cost effective thing for people,also moreover we need people to do gaming with our hardware which you can't provide unfortunately as you hate gamers and also gamers hate you
Nice video... It's unfair on how things have turned up to be due to the recent world pandemic things has been so difficult, This isn't good in the sense that it ends up addicting the civilians financially in different angles of life. We see complains here and there on social media from different people in different parts all round the world The government has less or no time for there people anymore..I suggest that we all should engage in different things to make money and stop hoping on the government....I'd strongly advise any newbie in trading to seek help from not just any trader but an established trading expert.
Gives new meaning to the term phising for data. Seriously, wouldn't there be ecological considerations here?? Warming the waters, if they increase this, as well as noise, which could interfere with fish.just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
2:07 yo nice “accidental” plug for Tesla. Love to see them when only referencing the word “car” and not “electric car” or what not. Really shows the global mindset has matured :)
I can see one problem with an Underwater Data Center. The problem is what do you do when something inside the data center fails and needs to be repaired. If a serious problem occurs with the data center, the data center will need to be retrieved from the ocean in order to do repairs on it. With land based data centers technicians can always access the components of the data center.
thats the precise problem. i mean technicians reaching servers. it is more secure to keep them out of reach of humans. and if they break during deployment, no problem, just swap them like condoms
Microsoft has the perfect idea because of some company waste water. Have to put plastic as a whole cover away from main body & which should have holes so main body can filled & through this Microsoft can adjust temperature through holes shapes & cleaning will lot easier with this.
Ok lets think this through, and coming from someone in Data Center Engineering.... They want to put these Data Centers in the oceans, to help regulate their temperature, because they build incredible amounts of heat. This is why they want to do this.... Now lets think about what happens when our Ocean waters warm up.... They will say this is no way near enough to worry about right?... That's the same thing they said about the fossil fuel industries..... Lets warm our oceans but we're cooling our computers, yeah that's smart. AI needs to come on and take over because these Humans that hold positions of power are as dumb as a bag of bricks.
I'm laughing at this. Even "Breaking in on land seems easy" is ridiculous when you think about who's likely going to be the one breaking into a data center. The video makes the point it's the average Joe, when in reality it is probably foreign government's agents. Looking forwards to seeing one of these Microsoft containers fetched by a Russian or Chinese submarine. At least that's what I'd advise as my president in those countries to do, after watching this video.
But these data centers would be located within the 10 mile zone. And thus in territorial waters. A submarine from the military entering these waters would be nearly a war declaration. A submarine carring out operations like stealing/damaging infrastructure would not and could not be ignored by governments. Besides you can easily programm those datacenters to encrypt everything if stolen. So i dont really think that would happen. Much easier to just hack those.
Warming the sea. Just imagine the negative effects avoided that a land version must incur from the cooling process alone - chillers, fluid, power to chill - each must surely cause global warming or pollutants themselves.
Once you've finished with the underwater data centre you can just "forget" about it and move on. No costly disposal to worry about because so few people know it's there. Don't imagine this won't happen if this becomes a popular idea.
I think the heat generated is an issue. Also, given that servicing these modules would be fairly expensive in an emergency, then I am doubtful. I think most clients that have their data stored would want to have it be accessed manually in a pinch rather than whenever the weather clears up.
Meanwhile in some submarine:
Crew: How the HELL am I getting 5G network down here!?
🤣
You're a stand up comedian
You just cracked the military application of this tech.
@@dimplick lol, but jokes aside, isn’t water going to block the 5g signals? Since 5g has a short wavelength, it has trouble travelling to a medium like water, in fact, rain can disrupt 5g signals immensely.
@@noname-codm4590 yes its completely unviable for submarines to communicate through water, they actually have a tethered buoy they release to the surface for outside communications. Even low frequency signals pass like shit through water.
"Half a decade" is a weird way to say "only 5 years"
Sounds better ;)
thats journalism for you... although i wouldnt be surprised if they lived much longer either
1/20th of a century
The age at which people should realise religion is bullshit.
Its half a decade before it needs to be CHECKED and undergo MAINTENANCE. It doesn't last 5 years only
Liquid cooling system
You don't say-
Epic, water cooled data centres by literally submerging it.
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But why , why ur everywhere?
Kiran Hello its all about money😩😩😩😩
Microsoft: moves data underwater for all the natural disasters. Threats, environmental damages.
Whale : gulps the data pill*
Lol
Boy, the whale will be the most whale-informed creature to ever live on earth then
@juanka galindo there is, its name is joemama
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We just watched an ad for microsoft promoting how it plans to get around the issue of data centers in international waters not having to worry about your country's laws.
It’s highly impractical for this project to be far away from the shore, for obvious reasons. Therefore, it would not be international waters at all.
lol well they would need more move a bit further out that 10 miles.
@@a.b.c.d.e... except for undersea cables.
The Mediterranean sea comes to mind. As well as places like Hawaii where they're connecting else where by undersea cable anyways.
They aren't doing it for practicality. They are doing it to avoid regulation. @@a.b.c.d.e...
"It's good for the fish" - Microsoft
on god they say its the fish home and shit haha
@@Rahdri And then they take the fishes' home away after 5 years.
*somethings real fishy about this...*
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A plot for a movie. "Waterworld 2: Data Retrieval."
a movie ? now they have new ideas to do movie themes lol
Mission impossible: under water data heist 😂😂
I would watch that.
Patent 060606, what a neat patent filed by Microsoft! They want to measure and control our internal body data with wearable & implantable devices and then monetize that data through a blockchain ledger system…definitely not nefarious! Not one bit
@@023c Mission impossible : underwater bitcoin heist.
It's time to take my gaming pc and shift into a river
No please
Just put the garden hose through the window, that’s what I do when the supermarket is sold out of toilet paper cause people are bulk buying during covid lock down
@@unnamedchannel1237 what? Why
IT server support personnel have to be very highly skilled and experienced in deep sea diving.
IT staff: "Where is the external connection port? The whole thing is full of corals" 😅
Skynet needs a way to protect itself.
Short and sweet summer of this video.
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what skynet?
@@AnotherPointOfView944 you didn't Watch Terminator Series ?
@@amanbayad17 yes i did, it was fiction.
It's very sensible move from Microsoft in my opinion.
dive deeper.
good luck !
@@goodcat1982 yeah. that’s why they announced Microsoft is partnering with SpaceX Starlink to make a version in space. Also the storage has pretty complicated encryption that can’t be easily hacked if it’s even possible there’s probably a self destruct or something if someone tries to hack it. But sabotage they probably can figure out a way to put cameras on it which is pretty cheap nowadays.
Except that adopting this practice at scale is simply having disposable data centers deposited onto the seafloor with more being sunk as they each loose their function over time. Without global regulation that extended into international waters and required the removal of the data centers, this would just be littering the seas and indeed the video suggested that as a good thing in establishing artificial reefs so they are not intending to retrieve these data centers.
@@johnwang9914 Saying that they can be "artificial reefs" does not suggest that they are intending to leave broken units on the floor indefinitely
@@SuWoopSparrow You used the word "suggest" and in that they do as they were trying to rationalize leaving it as a reef was beneficial. I would agree it does not mean they would but it does "suggest" they would and there would be a significant monetary advantage in doing so. Even the current practice of reserving fuel for a controlled re-entry of a commercial satellite is continuing bypassed for extended useful life. If there's a monetary advantage, there is no doubt that violating even established environmental and safety practices will be considered.
They most certainly suggested the data centres would be left as artificial reefs.
"Fish adore it."
Until your pull that shit out for maintenance, yeah.
I don't think they intend to ever pull it out if they choose to do this. They would just sink another data center and let the failing data center become an artificial reef. Eventually the hull would corrode and the plastics would degrade into microplastics and the lead solder would dissipate into the sea. When they said the marine life lived it as an artificial reef, you knew the intent was to simply litter the sea with them.
That's what I was thinking, as with John's statement.
I thought the same thing, but the video says that it is designed to only be removed once every five years so that impact is pretty minor
@@chrisbowpiloto that's not minor. reefs don't get removed and cleaned every 5 years...
@@eiolenimea but this isn't a reef or anywhere close to a reef. Very stupid comparison. Fish adapt quickly, they will hardly notice that the maintenance happened
rogue AI: that looks like a nice place to live in
Wow, great update 2 years from now, heard of this 2 years ago and forgot that it even happen! Good thing I was subscribed
Microsoft in 2030: WE NOW HAVE FLOATING AIR CENTERS IN THE SKY
Cloud data?
😂
iCloud in the clouds it’s perfect
Me: Get the SAM site fired up boys.
well technically space is cold, so... but yeah, it's maybe not the best idea to put cs:go server in space. 500 constant ping, no thanks
And if Richard Hendricks' Pied Piper compression platform gets on board, they could shrink the under water data center by two thirds. :-)
Great idea, but what if Microsoft decides to do a hostile takeover during a project meeting??? They only need Bachmans' vote 😂
@@Ivan2Jura lmfao
2:50 I can see the digital ocean maps now
It is good that the video also includes the issue related to artificial heat in the ocean. It would be interesting to compare the efficiency and impact of heat generated in the ocean vs heat in land.
@Tech Vision You're a scam
I would love to see these results as well ^^ Not only the sea itself, but also what impact it has for his creatures...
yes
They have not given any numbers on how warm the water is that is directly next to one of them. And they are ignoring the fact that it is not one capsule but thousands or tens of thousands.
@@michaelbitzer7295 they don’t mention that on purpose, they have to look as good as possible
I don't think the marine life would appreciate these data centers being pulled out of the sea floor and cleaned every 5 years...
It's so small area
@@SuperChooser123 it's quite big surface area for marine life. lot's of food for fish etc would be living on the surface of those things
@@eiolenimea are you dumb it a smooth surface tho
@@francisstclare5799 over time gets covered as u saw in the footage
@@eiolenimea bruh
It became a haven for sea life until it was brought and everything was killed with a pressure washer. Practically a Disney story.
Lol
TH-cam at midnight: *recommends this video*
Me: yeah, I'd love to know why they have underwater servers
me reading this comment at midnight
Waiting for the recommendation template joke to die :
What is it with you people who have to comment in *every single video* about the fact that TH-cam recommended you this video? How the fuck do you think you'd organically find new videos without searching if TH-cam didn't recommend them to you?
"why the hell am I lagging guys? are any of you lagging?"
*a fucking shark is chomping on the servers*
Or the power cable.
"Fish and sea life adore solid objects"
Until jetwashed off! .... save " the compassion for the environment" line!
Even if they kill all of it, it wouldn't matter. The things that grew on it will have years to reproduce on the server. It'll still be more algae and sea life than they started with.
"Where is cloud data stored?"
Dumb guy: "In da cloud ☝️"
"No, stupid. It is under the sea."
Dumb guy: 😵
It would have been funnier if smart guy said in the cloud
But isn't he dumb, how can he speak...
It would have been funnier if you had written WhiteHat junior in the place of dumb guy...😞😞😞
this comment radiates insane comical energy you got the whole squad laughing
@@TheFalseShepphard lmao
"A full degree is devastating to the ocean, but the heat is barely noticeable from our meter." - Scripted Marketing Bull Puff Piece.
Yeah, and he's not addressing the scaling of the project. This container can store the equivalent of "100,000 Macbooks" according to the video. That's not a lot. but for simplicity's sake let's say these servers are only open to private use (non-commercial) and each person is limited to one Macbooks worth of storage. Let's use the city of Cape Town (shown at 2:05) as an example. The city alone has over 400,000 residents. So you would need at least 4 of these to provide storage, just for the city. The video states the effect is "a fraction of a degree". Assuming our goal is to keep the change at less than 1 degree, that fraction would have to be smaller than a quarter of a degree. That is just for the city of Cape Town. The population of the surrounding metro area is over 4 million. Which means to use this to provide storage for Cape Town and surrounds would require the thermal output of one of these to cause less than 0.025 of a degree warming within the affected area. And that's just to be able to say you're not the specific reason for that 1 degree heat increase. It's not good enough considering we need to be doing the opposite and reducing the heat in our oceans.
@@18booma Are you measuring the temperature 1cm from the output or 5cm away from the output.
5cm^3 = 125 times the heat energy required to heat it to the same temperature as 1cm^3
As a datacenter tech, I can tell you we have to do far more maintenance on servers than people realize. I doubt most companies want to risk loss of data due to the fact you can't perform maintenance right away.
I don't work in a datacentre and the same question came to me, What happens if you require rapid physical replacement of like idk a few hard drives or what ever. If this was a data centre on land it would probably be fixed on the spot no problem what so ever. But at sea you need to consider weather as well just to go out and actually try recover it.
Yeah you wont have work if everything's underwater 🤣
This is interesting. I would love to see the drive failure rate vs the land based equivalent. Failing drives is an inevitability, and accessing these fully submerged data centres for repair seems highly unlikely. They are designed to be fully self-contained and untampered with until they are pulled up and opened.
They will never be pulled up for repairs or upgrades, new data centres would just be sunk as needed. One of the advantages is to avoid regulations on e-waste disposal.
hire spongbob
drive failure rates just aren't much of an issue anymore - SSD's have longer and more importantly, consistent lifespans.
Failures simply reduce capacity. No big deal.
Thats why u use RAID
Cooling would be a lot easier but they'll have to pay a bonus for people to go down there for administration and maintenance. We restricted our janitorial staff to only mopping the aisles and not even up to the servers. The server's themselves become obsolete and are replaced before dirt on the servers become an issue.
Interesting that as they intended it to be sealed for it's operational life, they could've filled it with something more thermally conductive such as mineral oil rather than nitrogen, that would've allowed the computers to be operated at higher clock rates. Using a fluid would also make the structure impervious to hydraulic pressure from the sea so the container would not have to resist the pressures of the deep.
Mineral oil would not be a green choice - that would be a lot of petroleum needed to be refined and a big problem if it leaks into the ocean. But perhaps there is a substance that is (a) in liquid state at ocean temperatures, (b) made easily from renewable or abundant sources, (c) inert to electronics and other materials in the data center, (d) electrically non-conductive, and (e) not harmful to marine life even if leaked in large quantities. I don't know what substances check all those boxes, though. Nitrogen checks all the boxes except not being a liquid.
@@L4JP It only needs to be a dielectric liquid and there are plenty of organic ones such as vegetable oil. I only mentioned mineral oil as it's a common one used by overclockers. Needless to say, a liquid could not only transfer heat better but resist ocean pressures thereby only needing an adiabatic hull rather than a pressure hull. However, something relatively non-reactive which would simply leave the sea such as nitrogen might be a choice if you intended to never retrieve the data centre.
Yes, some overclockers use vegetable oil but different types of vegetable oils have different acid levels so greater care must be taken with organic dielectric liquids.
You should work for Microsoft and tell them
So basically Microsoft is boiling the oceans.
Coral reefs- Brought to you by Microsoft!
On a side note, all this effort for creating storage for cat video is admirable.
What about the rise in temperature in the ocean if major companies starts practicing these?
They won't talk about that. This experimental setup may not have had measurable impact but a large data center would certainly have a profound impact on the local sea life.
@@karthick86c so what
They could easily place them in the Deeper Great lakes to provide centers in the midlands too. Their deep temperatures would surely work for cooling And there is plenty of 100' + deep water close to shore and big metro areas.
How about high altitude mountain?
Imagine "Himalaya-Data Center"
Microsoft employees were probably looking for a European vacation. Puget Sound would be fine too. In fact, you could sink one off Bill Gates dock on Lake Washington.
@@sn5301679 that's too high and transportation costs make it impossible
Because tnt does not inflict damage underwater, so it's hard for griefers to grief it with tnt.
why would we use TNT when we have all the plasma cutters in the world.........
@@michaellebert8907 It is minecraft reference. It's a Easter egg.
If that's the case, I was referencing Barotrauma, then
@@michaellebert8907 I googled barotrauma it means 'injury to your body' I don't understand how it's related.
Barotrauma the video game lol it's fun, play it and you'll understand
So regular land data centers are bad for the environment & are contributing to rising seawater temperatures, but heating that seawater directly is somehow much better for the environment and temps xD
exactly the kind of out-of-the-box thinking that we need - well done!
Great to hear that we have a new way to trough away energy... The warmth could be used for house-heating or multiple other low-temperature demanding tasks as well. It would be nice to consider this temperature difference as a feature and not a bug
for you to get warmth from those servers would mean that they need to be warm tho. and warm servers break faster. so maybe the energy you would use for cooling the datacenters now can be uset to heat the houses
It won't work for heating homes, but you can imagine integrating them into desalination plants, in a storage tank that's thermally insulated from ocean water. This way the water is warmer before going into the actual plant where it's evaporated, making it evaporate faster. This would also provide easier access to the device, should anything go wrong.
I don't know if it'll work, but it's interesting imagining possibilities that will have multiple uses and less negative impact on the ocean environment.
@@18booma A lot of desalination does not use evaporation. They go through a membrane under high pressure.
temperature control seems a cover up, they probably want to test something remote that is not under any country's jurisdiction.
It's off the coast of Scotland so I think it would still be monitored but not too confident, to be honest.
If they install this in international waters, anyone can steal the data physically. So...
@@MGZetta 10p feet under harsh water
@Kelvin Getafix this is my logic not sure if its 100% correct. If u want to store it in a big pool then its literally the same as land but you need to change the water everytime, then if ts in the river then might block it idk, but big pool is a big nono a river is uhh maybe i cant find answer to this
@Kelvin Getafix That would undermine the power savings from the cooling system, and a pool will never be as deep or as consistant as the ocean floor, making the data centers vulnerable to the same natural effects as in air ones.
2% of the entire worlds carbon... I feel that hasn't gotten enough attention. Data Centers produce that much, that has to be regulated or taxed.
it probably is and that's why they are trying to find other solutions
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Is “it’s got what fish crave” our universes version of “it’s got what plants crave”?
i see what you did there.
water? like from the toilet? what for?
ngl, when I saw the thumbnail, I thought we were talking about underwater sushi
I think it’s a great idea, AS LONG AS Microsoft holds accountability and takes precaution in minimising the environmental impact of placing their data centres at the ocean floor, including when things go wrong.
As long as they use international waters they won’t have any problems. And with the added saving in power costs the stock could make us all a nice payday 😀
I love your gorgeous narration by the way❤❤❤
Me: "I want to delete my data"
My Data: "Sorry I'm on the sea floor"
3:35 What do you mean with "combined output of 27.6 peta bytes"?
27.6 peta bytes of "storage capacity" or 27.6 peta bytes per [insert unknown time unit here] of throughput?
in mac books.
im assuming storage seeing as he goes on right after to talk about how many movies youd be able to store on 27PB
I don't get it either. But probably the storage on the drives on these particular 864 servers combined. So the tube has 27 peta bytes storage capability.
Journalism at its finest, no fucking idea what they are talking about, let’s quote a number that sounds big in a incoherent context.
i came to the comments to ask about that 🤣
Sooo we are putting heaters in the ocean now!!! We are so smart. Hope this really takes off.
"Yea it was a success, now give us more tax dollars"
You've got Microsoft hosting data servers in the ocean to dissipate heat directly into the ocean and you're worried about the CO2 from my truck causing global warming...? Lmfao
No one gonna talk about the French Ship Builder being called "Naval"?
As a French guy I don't see the problem ^^'
@@RenjiSann
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relating to a navy or navies.
"a naval base"
Plot twist : the heat make sea warm, make north pole ice melt.
Fish: man it's kinda comfy here with warm water after human decided to put whatever the hell is this
Surely if the underwater data centre uses the surrounding seawater to provide cooling, there would be a transfer of energy into the water, therefore warming the sea?
2050 we talk about how microsoft warms our oceans ^.^
Lol that’s the first thing I thought
Linus: dont build a fishtank PC
Microsoft:
so the clouds will be underwater?
And outside individual government jurisdictions as will the eventual e-waste the servers will become.
At which point they will be called the bubbles 😅
That one Scottish engineer collecting my porn history data:
''Oi, ya scabby dobber, yer aff yer heid young laddie...''
I can see the determined trolls, finding these data centers, and drilling through the hull.
We do a little trolling
Step 1: Cover the data center in oil
Hmm yes let me just go scuba diving with a cordless power drill
*Hacker in a movie after 4 seconds:* “I’m In.”
We should ask a question, how those data centres will affect the oceans? Will they heat up the water? How severely? If so, how will it change the current balance?
For anti corrosion,can add ceramic coating
At sea, the issue is that biology would dig through any protective layer including ceramics. There's a reason why ships used to have red bottoms, they used toxic metal impregnated paints to discourage marine life from attaching to them. Harbours are now starting to ban such painted hulls as the heavy metals dissipates into the waters and regulations are starting to hold harbours accountable for the pollution.
next day on the beach: sea of computer parts
Microsoft is taking water cooling to a whole another level...
On paper I think this sounds good, and I will applaud thinking outside the box for solutions. However when taking into account the heat generated by "thousands" of these in a local area the temperature increase would be different from 1 single unit getting an uninterrupted flow for cooling. The point about marine life loving solid structures I think is good, again the cavate here being that once it is "established" over a series of years, you pull up the units for maintenance and thereby disturb the whole environment.
Sorry to sound to pessimistic
as a person who supports data centers and knows how often hardware failures happen I have alot of worries about the ability to get in and replace parts as they fail
this whole thing is so stupid beyond belief. The scalability is another concern
Love ❤️ it from Australia 🇦🇺.
You do realize that intent will be to never retrieve the data centres but just to sink new ones. One of the advantages would be to avoid regulations with e-wastes.
Scotland be like, I was fishing and all the fish got electrocuted
Microsoft: i can explain
It's not out of compassion for the environment, it is saving a lot of money and making more profit. Don't give them any credit lmao
Still it's better for the environment than air-cooled data centers on land. Also, what's wrong with making profit?
The first thing that came to my mind is how is this affecting the local wildlife??
For when the government comes to take control of there servers.
They already do
negative aspect is when the sea floor is covered in data centers heating the earth's ocean up. Even if it is one percent (or less) of the sea floor.
8 million data centers you say, hmmm?
you're not into IT it seams.
These also provide protection from EMP and Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) i.e. solar storms from sun. Great idea - dude it's 8 million servers not 8 million data centers but great movie thank you.
dont joke like that bro, u almost scared me there.
luckily the power to these badboys will still have to come from the surface LOL
SOMA players would approve
Apple - I need profit
Microsoft - I want cloud computing to be more reliable and cheaper
Huawei : I'll build data center in space
@@GobiAtanari Microsoft : Let's be friends and work together.Lets make a data center in Heaven.....
Google: okay wait for me to join in,Let's have party together in my present data centers
@@ayaanbari6711
Huawei : I don't want to go "Heaven" too fast, let all go first.
@@GobiAtanari Microsoft: Okay I see
Google: Then we should plan to make it happen....
Apple :Why are you guys making my buissnes down without any invitation.Already windows 365 is going to make my life hell now if you make data centers so fast and reliable what will happen to my ARM Mac's 😭
Huawei : You planned to harm us and it our reply, you steal people's money with crap consumers items and we make computing a cost effective thing for people,also moreover we need people to do gaming with our hardware which you can't provide unfortunately as you hate gamers and also gamers hate you
I am sure the real reason is to be offshore away from any government control
The other way around, they already control the government. 💲🔒November 2022🇺🇸🇵🇷⛵
strange person
@@pedrorodriguez2914 What's happening in November?
@@xero2715 ooops'2022👍😁
Meanwhile in an office around the world :
- I need those x files right now!
- Ok, I will download them to the "seabed".
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Gives new meaning to the term phising for data. Seriously, wouldn't there be ecological considerations here?? Warming the waters, if they increase this, as well as noise, which could interfere with fish.just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
2:07 yo nice “accidental” plug for Tesla. Love to see them when only referencing the word “car” and not “electric car” or what not. Really shows the global mindset has matured :)
That's the only type of datacenter where workers can be attacked by sharks :P
Microsoft made an experiment and this guy pretends he discovered life on Mars.
Everybody should watch this video as a early lecture of history because p2p technology will decrease the use of data centres like hell.
Did yone else just randomly find this video and say oh ok
Imagine the the data of the video is actually storaged on the Underwater Data Center.
Me literal just playing Xbox
A shark: 😏 I’m bouta end this mans whole career
I can see one problem with an Underwater Data Center. The problem is what do you do when something inside the data center fails and needs to be repaired. If a serious problem occurs with the data center, the data center will need to be retrieved from the ocean in order to do repairs on it. With land based data centers technicians can always access the components of the data center.
thats the precise problem. i mean technicians reaching servers. it is more secure to keep them out of reach of humans.
and if they break during deployment, no problem, just swap them like condoms
The engineer at 04:07 is wearing an apple watch
Microsoft has the perfect idea because of some company waste water. Have to put plastic as a whole cover away from main body & which should have holes so main body can filled & through this Microsoft can adjust temperature through holes shapes & cleaning will lot easier with this.
We’ve occupied the land animals’ land, and now we’re occupying the sea’s.
I would like to see the temperature difference of compute systems and not just storage systems
Ok lets think this through, and coming from someone in Data Center Engineering.... They want to put these Data Centers in the oceans, to help regulate their temperature, because they build incredible amounts of heat. This is why they want to do this.... Now lets think about what happens when our Ocean waters warm up.... They will say this is no way near enough to worry about right?... That's the same thing they said about the fossil fuel industries..... Lets warm our oceans but we're cooling our computers, yeah that's smart. AI needs to come on and take over because these Humans that hold positions of power are as dumb as a bag of bricks.
fish need to stay Connected 😂😂
I'm laughing at this. Even "Breaking in on land seems easy" is ridiculous when you think about who's likely going to be the one breaking into a data center. The video makes the point it's the average Joe, when in reality it is probably foreign government's agents.
Looking forwards to seeing one of these Microsoft containers fetched by a Russian or Chinese submarine. At least that's what I'd advise as my president in those countries to do, after watching this video.
But these data centers would be located within the 10 mile zone. And thus in territorial waters. A submarine from the military entering these waters would be nearly a war declaration. A submarine carring out operations like stealing/damaging infrastructure would not and could not be ignored by governments. Besides you can easily programm those datacenters to encrypt everything if stolen. So i dont really think that would happen. Much easier to just hack those.
Warming the sea. Just imagine the negative effects avoided that a land version must incur from the cooling process alone - chillers, fluid, power to chill - each must surely cause global warming or pollutants themselves.
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Once you've finished with the underwater data centre you can just "forget" about it and move on. No costly disposal to worry about because so few people know it's there. Don't imagine this won't happen if this becomes a popular idea.
The fact that y'all measured the data capacity of a Microsoft server in macbooks amazes me =)))))))))))
so all you need is highly trained frogman mercenaries to steal those data?
me:how much stock footage do you use
Vision:yes
I think the heat generated is an issue. Also, given that servicing these modules would be fairly expensive in an emergency, then I am doubtful. I think most clients that have their data stored would want to have it be accessed manually in a pinch rather than whenever the weather clears up.