@@DukeSloth yup and when she's in her passive, she enters a different realm. She won't be able to see anyone including objectives I believe so she can't be used as a walking ward when she's dead
I like this change and the 1 and ult all seem to make sense but the others are just too dumbed down. I her plants now transition faster I believe to flower but Flowers are probably going to be a lot less useful since they are a Skillshot that can be dodged more easily.
Same. Pers is one of my 3 mains and one of my favorite gods. This has me so tilted because she was the most fun mage for me. It actually required me to use my brain.
@@TollmanVideoWorks I highly agree, it's just sucks others calls her the wrost because they think she's too hard to play or thinks her abilities Is OP and need her to get a rework
As a main (soon ex) Persephone I’m really sad and disappointed that she’s getting destroyed and making her dumber. She was one of the few gods that rewarded your time invested in learning how to play her. Honestly the only broken parts of her kit were the ultimate that rewarded you for missing it as well as the passive that few times made a real impact in the game. Hi Rez you are destroying the community.
I missed this initial change but for me they killed her. The death state is nearly useless and her flowers arent as deadly making it hard to 1v1 other gods
I really hope they do .... like I d give anything to get back the old two's mechanics instead of this copy of chronos one . The one d be grrwt if they revert it back but I highly doubt they d do it. Just crossing my fingers : ;
@@Jormyyy people complaining about persephone being unfun while Aphrodite sits in the background laughing. She is the most annoying goddess I have ever encountered by a longshot and I kinda want her to get a rework tbh.
@@oblivionj2323 Nox, Chang’e, and Aphro are my most hated gods in that order. I honestly didnt mind Perse, but I also can see how she was ridiculously obnoxious to deal with. Here’s to hoping the rework plays a bit better than it sounds on paper
I feel like they want all their gods to be easy to use. Personally pers has never been hard she’s just extremely skillful and they’re taking that out. CONGRATULATIONS HI REZ
Tbf they do suck a lot with reworks. Nu wa, rat (though his last one where they brought back the acorns was dope), freya, bastet. The only good ones were odin and loki. Out of all of them this is by far the worst
Persephone was so fun cause she felt so much different than any other god, I had a tough time playing and learning her all the way up to mastery ten. Now they just made her like any other god in the game , really bad changes guys .. really bad
I have a feeling persephone will be another Basket where she may have too much damage for a while then she will be "balanced" and unplayable. We will be seeing her in the cards for another rework in no time.
@@ans-dq9xh it's not the difficulty of getting diamond that's the issue. It's that they just got to really learn her and she changes. Getting a god to diamond means you've had a lot of time with them and probably finally know them really well. That does nothing though when they get reworked completely the next week.
@@VanitasVraz More or less this. I actively avoid double worshiper buffs and events. It's time invested that is essentially wasted. This isn't a full rework like Arachne and Nox were fortunately but it's still time invested on a god that no longer exists.
They got rid of the exploding part of the plant though, goes from skull to full plant after 4 seconds, so not really like AP. More like if AP had zombies get up and run at you instead of exploding.
What I find hilarious is they want to make her less complex and more accessible but from this rework they seem to be making her actually harder by taking away her main damage, and replacing it with more skill shots, also the passive is gonna take way more skill to utilize well.
They say its a rework but what it really is is a phantom nerf so they don't have to deal with backlash from the community. I feel like persephone is in a good spot right now after everything and now after this nerf she will be on the skill level of Zeus play where before she was in a league of her own. Disappointed they chose to rework her instead of some other gods with more boring kits.
I don't know why they reworked her so much, just rework the frustration factor from her, like they've completely taken away her identity, and what is wrong with having a hard to play character?
The part where you get to direct the flowers yourself seems pretty interesting. If the rework would just be the flowers being controlled and the revive removed (the revive was never any fun to deal with) she would probably be fine. Them reworking literally everything seems insane
I am frustrated that they are dumbing down persephone so much. Her 1 seems much easier to land now, but they reduced the range, so no snipes I guess. Also, likely makes her lane phase way less safe. The 2 being totally reworked is unfortunate, but expected. Part of what made Persephone rewarding to play before was the amount of value you could get from predicting where a fight was going to go to, and preemptively placing down seeds accordingly. This change seems to make that idea a non factor- it will probably be best to just use the 2 for damge. The 3 seems much less useful now that you can't use it to, "bomb" people with 3 or more sprout explosions- but I'll have to see how effective the flowers are before I make any kind of definitive statement on it. The ult and passive changes I'm fine with- they both needed to be nerfed.
No more lock on targets, no more insta growing with her three, and no more restrict movement in her ult. I guess my main character is receiving a pretty strong nerf. I felt as really good player playing her, because her kit was unique and difficult to learn. I guess my queen is no longer the strong character I once witnessed.
Without her flowers locking on I dont see how they will ever hit someone and do damage since you can now just walk to the side of it. It will be entirely to situational imo.
the only thing that i will miss on her is the lock down of her walkers chase it was so good against stealth gods it shows me where is loki or any stealth best AI pets in the game now its gone
I happen to see a lot of comments saying they dont like the rework, thta her new kit is boring and simple and so on. But I dont think that's the case anymore, the plants that now can be directed as well as the interactions with her 3, if anything, they make her kit have a higher sky ceiling. At the same time they are making the kit more aproachable to new players by having her doing more reliable damage easily. I haven't played her before. But with this rework I feel like trying her
I'll post my opinions on every ability as it seems I see them in a totally diferent sense to anyone. Passive: old passive was too good. New passive is bad or mediocre depending on the specifics of it in game. (Here almost anyone seems to agree) Imo doesn't matter much as her actual passive is to use the plants now that the 2 is a real ability. 1: before it was a generic line clear ability as everyone has but with bad aiming. With a lot of range because no reason. Now it is a proyectile that comes with a bit of cc to focus down 1 target, making the re-aiming part more important. 2: a lot of people liked the old planting seeds mechanic but it worked really bad imo. You could be godlike by being around your garden or useless if you try to gank someone and have no much flowers around. Now it feels like an actual ability and not a toggle to utilize her plant "passive". They are shifting the 1 as her main damage and clear ability for the 2, having the 1 take another identity (which i like a lot) Plants: flowers as it stands now feel really bad to play against, they autolock target and while manageable if you are careful, sometimes they just come out of nowhere while you are doing other things and take a third of your life just by basicattacking a plant. With the new change i think they will be more interesting, you can select the targets and facing of the plants, try to 'block' paths, self pill and you get some set up from the one slow. In fact, I think the complexity for the flower usage has been increased 3: not much to say about this. Now that the explosive plants do not exist, they make it do damage. Seems ok. Also to say it now combos better with the one by allowing to do somo quick burst and some sort of self pill by slowing them, jumping and doing damage in the procces. 4:good changes, nothing to say
@@jeaventin One thing I think about is what if originally they did it differently. What if the the first stage plant healed, the 2nd stage plant did the aoe damage/slow and the third stage did something different. Maybe it doesn't even do damage? I remember first seeing her kit I assumes each stage would be vastly different but it ended up both of them did different ways of dealing damage. It could instead maybe track and root gods (probably have to limit how many times this can effect the same god within a time span) Or mark enemies so they take more damage. Anything else you know?
@@jeaventin I agree with the fact that these changes makes Persephone harder to pull off effectively. If you ask me, the biggest flaw in this rework is that the 3 doesn’t germinate anymore. That part was crucial in her kit because it made sure that you deal some sort of damage when you jump from an area full of seeds. Now, you’ll do the small amount of damage from the 3, you’ll only get healed if you jump immediately after the seeds are placed, and if you want to activate the plants, you’ll have to wait for 4 seconds, without jumping from that area. I think the rework as a whole is fine, they just need to let the 3 germinate again because her plants will be basically useless otherwise.
I don‘t really like the change to her 2 tbh. The explosion flowers were like the only reliable source of damage outside of her 1. The chasing flowers can be dodge way too easy and are thus pretty unreliable.
@@scalpingsnake I‘m talking about the second stage, the one that explodes in an AoE, does damage and slows. Those got removed which leaves her with only the third stage flower the one that chases you. But as I said in my first comment it is really not that hard to just dodge their damage. That is what I mean when I say that her damage from the 2 is less realiable after the rework.
Persephone became my favorite god since she was released, she has a unique and fun kit and I understand she's annoying to play against, but this is too much... Not like this.
I’ll be honest I think she went from being extremely good in the right hands to being mediocre at best in the best of hands. I don’t enjoy the fact that her 1 stops in the first god hit especially with how necessary early lane pressure is you best believe I’ll walk into the wave to stop her from clearing at level 1/2 so I can basically guarantee me (solo depending on the god) and/or my jungler the first set of mids and possibly the second set of mids for around 80ish health.
So Pers. gets a nerf while Scylla remains one of the strongest, right behind Eset for being the highest burst damage god in the game. Priorities, Hi-Rez??? 🤡🤡🤡
If you complaining about scylla and eset burst you need to play against them more and learn. While scyllas high dmg comes from her being a nuker (which is how shes supposed to be) eset needs aegis to avoid her kit or just play around the stun ball
All they had to do was stop her coming back after death and remove the unlimited range from her ult. Maybe tweak the distance of bone rush and make the cripple for her ult smaller but that would have been balanced and maintained the depth of her kit.
perse is op, in late game she makes so much either you know how to use her or not, she is banned almost in every game on plat/diamond (at least in my games)
@@grimeychaos53 it's not the struggle that is the issue. It's more of the double edge sword of the kit itself. While it rewards player who play smart with the plants, it also rewards bad plays. In which occurs more times than the positive. You should be never be rewarded for sucking, but her kit rewards you for it regardless of bad placement or missing shots.
@@mrwordwide100 Are you talking about joust? Because shes not picked or banned in rk conq. Shes only so strong in joust because of how small the lane is giving less room and time to potentially dodge a cluster of plants
@@yatoyaboku4296 in your opinion, tbh I love playing with her, she has a lot to do, different from others gods that u just make sure u hit 3 skills to kill your opponent...
If you were going to gut her this bad at that point design a new kit. You won't fix the low play rate with this because now noone will want to play her and you just drive the people who like her away. A shame to see one of the coolest kits in the game hit like this.
For the passive: i believe they said uts a set amount of seeds (6?) And your death timer goes as you are in the state. You can cancel it with right click when you are done and just wait till respawn too.
I actually played a couple of games with her yesterday and was able to figure out how to play her effectively in a few matches before hearing about the rework. The issue isn't that she was too hard, yes she was hard but that's because of unique mechanics. They oversimplified her because people weren't willing to spend a few matches to put in the work to learn her which is real sad
it's more on the issue of the kit being a double edged sword as it rewards bad plays. You should never be rewarded for sucking at her due to missing your shots or placing your seeds terribly. However Her kit compensates to make it up and it occurs more times than smart plays.
And people act like she's super broken no one really picks her cas and no one really picks her on pro league but somehow she's the most op god and super broken lol
@@kinggoon565 Persephone is an objectively top tier god that can literally hard carry a team to victory right at the moment she turns level 5, issue is that the 1% of the player base, heck, I'd say only pro players are able to use her at 100%, this rework is only good news, cause if you only nerf her then it's gonna impact pro play significantly, and while that's happening, casual play already doesn't play persephone, and when they do, they lose most of the time. So the only solution is a rework.
@@pietroportone6324 I get why they are reworking her and I like the rework but I think its all for the wrong reason her passive isn't that good her ones her best ability after that and her ult her kits completely worthless her movement ability jumps two feet its slow and very predictable her flowers ehhh if you use them right but all in all I think there's way better gods they could rework actually overpowered gods that are overpowered on all levels of play an not mess with gods like pers that are not even op (except I guess on pro league) which no one picked or even banned for pro league so I dont know how it would mess up there play but I got her to max rank and outta all the gods I mastered she definitely wasn't 10 top for being broken like you said hard to master takes alot for her to setup and one of the easiest gods to punish with high reward but requires almost triple the attention where as other gods I can smoke dabs not even be looking at the screen just shooting abilitys getting double kills
I don't play her and honestly think she is a well made god atm but even i can see this will make her terrible. No exploding plants for confirmed damage and now the flowers dont follow people. Even if the 3 damages people now you don't want your big damage to be on your escape. All they really had to do was get rid of her passive and rework her ult and reduce the damage of the 2 but lower the damage reduction for hitting it multiple times.
I'm diamond with perse idk if that would matter now since what I mastered was her old kit. The best thing about her kit is the pre-germinated skull, gonna miss my exploding garden :(
That was me with Bastet and her rework. I was a diamond and after rework I haven't been nearly as good. It's a diamond that means nothing. And boy do I miss backdooring Titans with her old ult.
I can see her play rate dropping even more after the rework... her flowers sound like their going to be a cake walk to side step and it seems they're just making it so even brand new players can pick her up and do well
My main gripe is the plants not chasing anymore, 99% of the time, the plants will be easily dodged or whiff, you're not really controlling the battleground anymore with making the enemy think where to dodge and get them out of position, now it's just dodge left or right. Not all simple gods are easy to learn (I still whiff Gil kick a lot) but it definitely feels better to play a control type character then just line and X AOE ability characters.
On topic: I think old pers wasn't that bad when you learned the counterplay, however I thought the stage 2 plants locking down an entire area of the lane you can't walk in to be frustrating and unfun, so I'm happy about the stage 2 bomb removal. Everything else is eh Off topic: Mr.Sloth I have a humble request for you, you're a voice in the community and my friends and I have come up with a name to call gilgamesh we think fits him pretty well, could you please help normalize giga sex? Thank you kind sir for your time.
Why tf would they change one of the most unique gods in the game and turn her into another generic mage, I think everyone would rather see her get nerfed until she is balanced in top tier, even if she is garbage in low ones than to see her get destroyed like this
@@absoluteradiance3254 her identity of being able to plant a garden of seeds and command plants is still intact though? There's only so much nerfing numbers can do when the character has a high frustration factor and low counterplay.
@@Jormyyy her identitu of being a hard and complex goddes with hard to connect damage but a lot of potential if you hit it is completely destroyed. I dont care about the passive, the one or the ult, but they just destroyed her 2, she is now your boring 1,2,3,4, mage, istead of the comboing abilities in the right order one. Not to mention that her new plants are weird, if they dint track and just go in a straight line they will be super easy to avoid, and since she doesnt have the t2 sprout, she doesnt have any way to confirm damage, so you rely basicly on your 1, your 2 explosion and the 3 that now deals damage. They basicly reduced all the complexity her kit had and turned her into a traditional mage
Terrible changes. Explained perfectly at the end by Dukesloth. Having a unique and skillful kit is OK in Smite. not every god is meant to be played by everyone. Janus has existed this way for years. Same with serqet, yemoja, King Arthur, etc. It is perfectly fine to have a god that is close to inaccessible if you are new to Smite but flourishes at the top end; it encourages players to play that God more and learn her. These changes are awful and I believe to be a bad indicator for the direction HiRez wants to take Smite in.
@@Anirudhji2001 I mean I understand that but like the flowers are the easiest thing to dodge. I honestly hate when my flowers level up to that rank because usually they don’t do anything.
@@Anirudhji2001 I mean not really tbh. You just have to be conscious of your surroundings and it’s easy to dodge. Just literally walk towards them and you dodge them every time. From what I’ve seen, her plants seem a lot stronger than they were. And they actually take skill to use correctly
@@jarrettgillmore467 well moving in a direction avoid the plants means that you’re moving in a predictable direction, which means that some other enemy god gets free damage onto you. Forcing you to move in a particular direction is just as strong as a root.
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Im playing devils advocate here reading through the comments I feel that as a community we think though this rework strips persephone from the cool headed calculated play-style that made me feel like a cold bad bitch, but we as a community embrace change with a negative lens, so let me run through what could be fun about this new kit. Her new passive makes her a walking ward... it weakens her in general and is a bad change. I cant defend this change. Her one I saved towards the end because it is a boring ability rework. however, by removing her extra length on her one hi-rez simplifies her new kit into a medium range active strategist. I think there was a better way to do this, but a more complex ability might be a detriment with how her new flowers work. Her two has potential. Before y'all get on me for my opinion, I know, this ability is what made the character special. The combination of micromanaging these plants with plotting the demise of my opponents was very fun. taking this ability away from her is the most impactful change. For one, it always gave her her something to do, even with her irresponsive play style. Instead we get a damaging AOE. Thats where a-lot of us dont like the change, but the new way the plants works will be interesting. the new plants that at their core becomes a swarm of line abilities with redirection. Instead of micromanaging a semi-static garden the player will micromanage an oppressive sweeping wave of plant powered destruction. This may end up being more fun than before. For lower-end players they have an ability that is responsive and has a potential for bonus damage, On the other end of the spectrum, intermediate to high end players now are presented with a new gameplay puzzle. They have to worry about their own positioning to maximize plants and track their plants bite rates. There is totally going to be a clip where a pro player or whatever, leads Persephone's army into a triple kill or whatever. Everybody will pop off and we get thumbnails, like "NEw PErSePhOnE BuSTeD". The only problem I see is the distance in which the new two spawns the skulls apart from each-other, if they are two far apart then persephone will have to use flourish. Speaking of which, I think we can all agree that the rework to flourish is a wonderful cherry on top. I like this change. In complete biased honesty they could've had this be the only change and it would accomplish the goal of adding responsiveness to her kit. Her ult change is healthy and removes frustration in a good way. it is still a strong and fun ability. So we all know what persephone was, we'll miss her, but new persephone might have an interesting gameplay loop that isn't just, "ah puch 2 electric boogaloo". you have a responsive medium range kit. which allows you to accomplish things in lane easier than before. However, with the ability to lay down skulls. when you want to engage, you activate the built up swarm of skulls and murder somebody with a legion of minions. when you hit level five, you have an ult to set up the sweeping undead army. Is it persephone? No, but the new kit sounds pretty cool to me. excuse any grammatical issues monke brain decided to write this with the fury and imagination of a child.
They took the complexity of her kit entirely and made her generic. The relationship between her plants, autos and jump was a big part of why she was fun to play. I don't know why I didn't see this one coming, so far every rework has been getting worse and worse (Odin being the only exception).
I think it seems like a decent change. I have only played Persephone when she was released and she seemed too much of a micro-managing type of god for my tastes. I do understand that some people like her design as is but a little less complexity will open her up to new players not just top-tier competitive players. I will say that her Death Passive was very interesting and will kind of miss her being able to stay on the offense while downed, to me it wasn't too bad and in fact in some games the person actually forgot they could do stuff while downed.
this the dumbest bunch of changes i could have imagined she gonna be clunkier die more and do less damage overall she isn't gonna be worth anything without athena or kumba
This rework is such a yikes I feel like they are Aatroxing her But seeing how everyone is sad is kinda weird. A decent chunk of Loki mains felt the same but everyone was just laughing at them.
She sounds worse. Harder to confirm damage on the 2 because the up front damage has a windup where it didn’t before because you could auto and then place the seed at maximum range to detonate it immediately if you had jumped. It appears they made her easier to play, but I think she’ll be worse at all levels of play unless her damage numbers are bloated
If you dash on your ult cage the ult should grow flowers on the cage visually be all pretty pretty, and then after 0.5 seconds Venus fly trap any cage traped enemy and execute them.
I understand what they wanted to do with her passive, but it's really bad. Just being able to place plants doesn't really provide her benefits, because you want to avoid dying in the first place. So basically she just gets extra gold spooling, but from the sound of things, she probably won't be placing and detonating nearly as many plants as she used to. They should make it something like after detonating so many plants, you get a bonus on your abilities. Lower cooldown, reduced mana cost, extra damage, slow, all easy to implement ideas.
The want to stick to the lord as much as possible and that includes the revival after death. IMO if they want to do that, they should basically make it that her passive allows her to only deal damage to minions, so then she can still get xp and gold from a wave after dying.
I'm glad she's getting reworked but for the unpopular reason of "I often don't feel like I'm doing much more than player farm simulator". Maybe it's just me but she requires so much set up to truly get the damage you want to see whereas other mages just throw out their abilities. Her flowers are also pretty easy to avoid most of the time. The ult is legitimately fry's at times but a Hunter with decent attack speed can help. Like, I feel she's overestimated personally and feels too convoluted to REALLY play her.
She’s overestimated a little bit but she’s still a strong god when played by a competent player. Also stage 3 plants are irrelevant, it’s her stage 2 plants that are one of her main sources of damage. Especially with the instant stage 2 plant proc from her 3 which lets you poke someone at range with very little time to react to.
The flowers need buffs if they are to fully replace the landmine bulbs. I think they should have a weak circular AOE attack for enemies that get to close (or proceed upon changing from skull to flower). Then they can chase. My reasoning is that the flowers are easy to dodge for experienced players in the right situations.
Yeah, you need to be really careful on when to use a flower against a good juker, now that they are removing the bulb, she lost her best form of damage confirmantion, her leap is probably going to do baby damage.
I wonder how it'll end up, I've never been a fan of reworks but we'll see if it goes well. Wish they made an adventure with all old god kits that got reworked.
her passive: fine with it, I would like it so that people can't see persephone and her plants while she is in her death timer, persephone could use some planting time to spy on people for example (hey team they are gathering up for fg or something like that) her 1: I liked the cache aim, so I don't like this change however, with her 2 getting aoe damage and her 3 having some aoe I can see why they do it. But yes, I will miss unique aim here :( her 2: GUTTED!!! Seriously, I don't like this. The ability to save plants and micromanage them around your needs was the core for her. Oh you want sustain, I got you, but now you barely have anything to plant. Oh you want to have a mega chase scene with your plants, fine, but you might want that explosion because nem is about to ram her sword up your rear. You had to choose and make sacrifices on how to deploy your plants. Now...its a nox 2 or a cherno 1 with a twist on it. Worse, if you want sustain now not only are you losing a plant you are also losing damage and using a cooldown now for that sustain. I do like the way the plants chase sure as the poke before felt odd to place a plant on the opposite of lane and have them chase a person no matter what here. her 3: fine, but with her 2 going down the toilet it suffers her 4: the change I am most fine with, I thought they were going to rip this a new one honestly
It sounds like you'll be better off spreading the plants out and when you activate them they will all run straight which will arguably be more annoying imo depending on how much damage they can do because I feel like before they were easy to avoid but if they just cover the entire lane that's annoying lol I know you think this will be a nerf in a lot of ways but honestly I preferred her before as I think this kit is going to be more frustrating. Imagine 6 flowers spread out running down lane and the only way to avoid them would be run directly away because juking will just put you into another flowers path. However it says they bite at intervals so I imagine as they run its just munch munch munch so maybe easier to time pushing forward but idk. I think she is going to be really strong when this releases and the passive I'm sure will still have death timer going cause it would make 0 sense not to do so
I honestly think this rework will fail to make Persephone feel less frustrating but will greatly improve her balance. The frustrating part of Persephone still remains which is the lack of counter play. Persephone still can great a massive amount of latent damage on the board without any way of stopping it. Other gods that can place down setup damage such as aupuch or vulcan's turret can be destroyed allowing people to prevent the damage with proper play.
Lets be real with ah puch no one usually ever destroys his minions because hes not a setup character he instantly explodes them for the most part. So I really don't think hes a good comparison for persephone but just my opinion
This is my opinion. Their goals were to make Persephone more easier to play for lower level players and is someone who is a lower level pay who definitely struggles with Persephone these changes are going to make it harder for me to play her not easier. Especially considering that I preferred the bomb plants over the fully grown plants as for some reason even though they locked on the enemies always seem to be able to dodge those plans at least with the explosions I could guarantee damage.
Passive rework - super good change. Why didn’t they change that ult. It ruined her playability with how powerful it was. Full rework to that would have been amazing. Something like Zyra from league or even fey from paragon they could’ve kept the artwork with that one.
As disappointing as it is that they are removing her deepness and mechanics. Shes actually probably going to be alot easier to balance for hirez. But persephone was already being played a lot less this season. Scylla and other or simple mages just do what she does while also being alot easier. Persephone had a role in being a deep God with mechanics as well as very rewarding to play. But now that's gone and shes just gonna become another cookie cutter mage which sucks.
Yes the way to dodge the flowers before was just walking towards them and they would miss. Now u can just side step them. And they said you could utilize them to cut ppls paths off but like I said before walking into them makes them miss so it wont stop anyone from coming after you regardless
Why not just have a blast if the plants going to be so linear? Shes going to suck. Her ult is alot like Nox, where its not easy to hit the ult but its a huge payoff if you do. Time to main a new mage.
ponpon said on his twitter that the passive lasts for the entire death timer but can be cancelled early
Ohh that's good to know. Definitely makes it more useful!
@@DukeSloth yup and when she's in her passive, she enters a different realm. She won't be able to see anyone including objectives I believe so she can't be used as a walking ward when she's dead
I like this change and the 1 and ult all seem to make sense but the others are just too dumbed down. I her plants now transition faster I believe to flower but Flowers are probably going to be a lot less useful since they are a Skillshot that can be dodged more easily.
At least she gets to play during the 1Min late game death time. Not as strong as before, but he, she gets the fun while we don't
@@bloons719 awwwww man, that does suck, I would love that
As a Persephone main, I'm disappointed to hear that they going to rework her Harvest ability, Spout was her high damage next to her Flowers
Ten stars with her..this is a horrible rework. Guess I'm moving on
Same. Pers is one of my 3 mains and one of my favorite gods. This has me so tilted because she was the most fun mage for me. It actually required me to use my brain.
@@ozyllozyl1584 every loki main when his was announced
@@TollmanVideoWorks I highly agree, it's just sucks others calls her the wrost because they think she's too hard to play or thinks her abilities Is OP and need her to get a rework
@@ozyllozyl1584 LOL now you know how I felt haha when Loki was ruined
Persephone: (needs to be balanced a little bit) Smite: LETS RUIN HER
"Balanced a little bit"
Yea, nah, her balance was all over the place.
Hirez: “we cant balance her or fix ger bugs so we’re going to make her basic as hell so we have an easier time with that”
As a main (soon ex) Persephone I’m really sad and disappointed that she’s getting destroyed and making her dumber. She was one of the few gods that rewarded your time invested in learning how to play her. Honestly the only broken parts of her kit were the ultimate that rewarded you for missing it as well as the passive that few times made a real impact in the game. Hi Rez you are destroying the community.
I missed this initial change but for me they killed her. The death state is nearly useless and her flowers arent as deadly making it hard to 1v1 other gods
Now i can main Ah Puch and Ah Puch2.0femaleskinwithescape
She’ll have to be reworked again like immediately let’s be honest
Yep
I really hope they do .... like I d give anything to get back the old two's mechanics instead of this copy of chronos one .
The one d be grrwt if they revert it back but I highly doubt they d do it.
Just crossing my fingers : ;
@@aymenlemdani1410 the flowers were so much more fun before and they don’t proc anything anymore they’re just lazier versions of the old ones
She's getting a new rework :)
Lazy hirez, her rework is probably happening next season. Too much time for an easy fix...
Ouch. The perseph mains are gutted and so is her kit.
I felt like I took an arrow to the knee because they are doing this
my heart is broken and beyond healing
@@persephone9084 I feel for you
Its good , even if its fun to play perse its just to annoying to fight,the slow spamming or the ult that is a 100% kill if no beads
Even hera who have a very strong level 5 cant deal like perse .
To all my fellow pers mains please join me in the mourning of our character so few understood her
Her complexity was what made her special.
Came back to the game recently and I was really disappointed that I can no longer 1v1
The more unique a god is, the sooner hi-rez will remove their more unique aspects. Sad
So true
Sometimes the uniqueness is unfun though. Perse is the perfect example.
@@Jormyyy people complaining about persephone being unfun while Aphrodite sits in the background laughing. She is the most annoying goddess I have ever encountered by a longshot and I kinda want her to get a rework tbh.
@@oblivionj2323 bruh preaching tp choir, hating on Aphro is story of my life.
@@oblivionj2323 Nox, Chang’e, and Aphro are my most hated gods in that order. I honestly didnt mind Perse, but I also can see how she was ridiculously obnoxious to deal with. Here’s to hoping the rework plays a bit better than it sounds on paper
I feel like they want all their gods to be easy to use. Personally pers has never been hard she’s just extremely skillful and they’re taking that out. CONGRATULATIONS HI REZ
Honestly they might just gut her complete kit and reimagine her while keeping her plant/death theme.
I can’t remember a rework that made me happy but I can remember a lot of reworks that made me sad...
The Odin rework was the only kinda good one, but he was broken and then useless again
I don't remember any rework making me sad, except maybe Nox's, but I still liked her new kit. The old one was just more fun.
@@TheHornedKing I think they're talking about Nu Wa? She had a fun and unique but broken, Backdoor-heavy concept
Tbf they do suck a lot with reworks. Nu wa, rat (though his last one where they brought back the acorns was dope), freya, bastet. The only good ones were odin and loki. Out of all of them this is by far the worst
@@BunnyOnASnuman exactly that is how all their reworks go except maybe loki who was basically just subjugated into the Solo lane as a bruiser.
Persephone was so fun cause she felt so much different than any other god, I had a tough time playing and learning her all the way up to mastery ten. Now they just made her like any other god in the game , really bad changes guys .. really bad
I have a feeling persephone will be another Basket where she may have too much damage for a while then she will be "balanced" and unplayable. We will be seeing her in the cards for another rework in no time.
im unsure if shes going to be good, they didnt really explain how the flowers work too well now.
"But still want to give Persephone to actively affect the map upon her revival" so anyways they failed 🤠👍
i just mastered perse and now she’s gonna get a total rework🧍🏻
It's so sick and twisted
You hate to see it.
As a Loki main i laugh at your pain and say good i welcome others getting what they liked getting changed :)
@@Darren_92 loki is way better now without beinh toxic toward the game. PVE a game should never be possible in any mode.
@@ans-dq9xh hi rez should change every character to make it fair to all haha
Seriously... This is the third time I've gotten a goddess to diamond only for HiRez to rework them... Arachne, Nox ,and now Persephone...
Bad choices but i still respect you XD. maybey try terra
@@ChronosCat691 *Hi rez reworks Terra*
Its not like diamond is hard to get lmao
@@ans-dq9xh it's not the difficulty of getting diamond that's the issue. It's that they just got to really learn her and she changes. Getting a god to diamond means you've had a lot of time with them and probably finally know them really well. That does nothing though when they get reworked completely the next week.
@@VanitasVraz More or less this. I actively avoid double worshiper buffs and events. It's time invested that is essentially wasted. This isn't a full rework like Arachne and Nox were fortunately but it's still time invested on a god that no longer exists.
She just sounds like a slightly better version of Ah puch.
What a shame.
I was thinking the same thing with the 1. Sounds super similar to Ah Puch
@@ventus7410 Zeus chibi
I’d argue the opposite
They got rid of the exploding part of the plant though, goes from skull to full plant after 4 seconds, so not really like AP. More like if AP had zombies get up and run at you instead of exploding.
What I find hilarious is they want to make her less complex and more accessible but from this rework they seem to be making her actually harder by taking away her main damage, and replacing it with more skill shots, also the passive is gonna take way more skill to utilize well.
They say its a rework but what it really is is a phantom nerf so they don't have to deal with backlash from the community. I feel like persephone is in a good spot right now after everything and now after this nerf she will be on the skill level of Zeus play where before she was in a league of her own. Disappointed they chose to rework her instead of some other gods with more boring kits.
I’m gonna say, as you were reading this, all I could think was.... wtf bro???
I’m scared about what they have planned for Bastet.
Literally anything would be better to make her fun cause she's pretty plain right now
Haven't had a bastet in my game s8, she's still pretty good though
As a bastet main, i am not scared anymore, already suffered enough with the first rework xD
They are just giving Bastet a new ult.
@@Duck_Praise the first rework isn’t even bad . I do really well with new Bastet
I can always put my trust in Duke to explain things that happening in smite in a better depth then anyone thanks for making explaining her rework
And we can alwayse put our trust in HiRez to make bad reworks :)
@@Logidrake13 can't blame you for that thought
I don't know why they reworked her so much, just rework the frustration factor from her, like they've completely taken away her identity, and what is wrong with having a hard to play character?
And welcome to how Loki mains felt but no one had sympathy for them..
Almost her entire kit was frustration factor though.
Her identity of being able to plant a garden and position around it is still clearly there.
@@ViraLCyclopes you can actually fight persephone tho. Loki was literally running around instantly 1 shotting squishes with no consequences.
The part where you get to direct the flowers yourself seems pretty interesting. If the rework would just be the flowers being controlled and the revive removed (the revive was never any fun to deal with) she would probably be fine. Them reworking literally everything seems insane
I played her a little before. I don’t think I’m gonna touch her now.
Same, I really like her and I play her a ton, I'm really sad tbh
I am frustrated that they are dumbing down persephone so much. Her 1 seems much easier to land now, but they reduced the range, so no snipes I guess. Also, likely makes her lane phase way less safe.
The 2 being totally reworked is unfortunate, but expected. Part of what made Persephone rewarding to play before was the amount of value you could get from predicting where a fight was going to go to, and preemptively placing down seeds accordingly. This change seems to make that idea a non factor- it will probably be best to just use the 2 for damge.
The 3 seems much less useful now that you can't use it to, "bomb" people with 3 or more sprout explosions- but I'll have to see how effective the flowers are before I make any kind of definitive statement on it.
The ult and passive changes I'm fine with- they both needed to be nerfed.
After sleeping on this im very pissed lmao
No more lock on targets, no more insta growing with her three, and no more restrict movement in her ult. I guess my main character is receiving a pretty strong nerf. I felt as really good player playing her, because her kit was unique and difficult to learn. I guess my queen is no longer the strong character I once witnessed.
I mean to be fair the lock on wasnt ever reliable unless you ulted them since they could just side step
Yikes no more lock on flowers and the changes to her 4 are pretty harsh changes. This rework is looking rough.
Without her flowers locking on I dont see how they will ever hit someone and do damage since you can now just walk to the side of it. It will be entirely to situational imo.
the only thing that i will miss on her is the lock down of her walkers chase it was so good against stealth gods it shows me where is loki or any stealth best AI pets in the game now its gone
Dang, full rework? I liked Persephone, she's kinda similar to my main (Ah Puch) except she's, you know, actually PLAYABLE
this rework seems to kill my fave god
I happen to see a lot of comments saying they dont like the rework, thta her new kit is boring and simple and so on.
But I dont think that's the case anymore, the plants that now can be directed as well as the interactions with her 3, if anything, they make her kit have a higher sky ceiling.
At the same time they are making the kit more aproachable to new players by having her doing more reliable damage easily.
I haven't played her before. But with this rework I feel like trying her
People don't like change. I wasn't too interested in playing her after the rework but now I think about it, she could still be fun.
I'll post my opinions on every ability as it seems I see them in a totally diferent sense to anyone.
Passive: old passive was too good. New passive is bad or mediocre depending on the specifics of it in game. (Here almost anyone seems to agree) Imo doesn't matter much as her actual passive is to use the plants now that the 2 is a real ability.
1: before it was a generic line clear ability as everyone has but with bad aiming. With a lot of range because no reason. Now it is a proyectile that comes with a bit of cc to focus down 1 target, making the re-aiming part more important.
2: a lot of people liked the old planting seeds mechanic but it worked really bad imo. You could be godlike by being around your garden or useless if you try to gank someone and have no much flowers around.
Now it feels like an actual ability and not a toggle to utilize her plant "passive".
They are shifting the 1 as her main damage and clear ability for the 2, having the 1 take another identity (which i like a lot)
Plants: flowers as it stands now feel really bad to play against, they autolock target and while manageable if you are careful, sometimes they just come out of nowhere while you are doing other things and take a third of your life just by basicattacking a plant.
With the new change i think they will be more interesting, you can select the targets and facing of the plants, try to 'block' paths, self pill and you get some set up from the one slow.
In fact, I think the complexity for the flower usage has been increased
3: not much to say about this. Now that the explosive plants do not exist, they make it do damage. Seems ok.
Also to say it now combos better with the one by allowing to do somo quick burst and some sort of self pill by slowing them, jumping and doing damage in the procces.
4:good changes, nothing to say
@@jeaventin One thing I think about is what if originally they did it differently. What if the the first stage plant healed, the 2nd stage plant did the aoe damage/slow and the third stage did something different. Maybe it doesn't even do damage? I remember first seeing her kit I assumes each stage would be vastly different but it ended up both of them did different ways of dealing damage.
It could instead maybe track and root gods (probably have to limit how many times this can effect the same god within a time span)
Or mark enemies so they take more damage.
Anything else you know?
@@jeaventin I agree with the fact that these changes makes Persephone harder to pull off effectively. If you ask me, the biggest flaw in this rework is that the 3 doesn’t germinate anymore. That part was crucial in her kit because it made sure that you deal some sort of damage when you jump from an area full of seeds. Now, you’ll do the small amount of damage from the 3, you’ll only get healed if you jump immediately after the seeds are placed, and if you want to activate the plants, you’ll have to wait for 4 seconds, without jumping from that area. I think the rework as a whole is fine, they just need to let the 3 germinate again because her plants will be basically useless otherwise.
@@scalpingsnake "people don't like change" sums up the smite player base quite well
I don‘t really like the change to her 2 tbh. The explosion flowers were like the only reliable source of damage outside of her 1. The chasing flowers can be dodge way too easy and are thus pretty unreliable.
The 2 always explodes now so I don't see what your issue is.
@@scalpingsnake You could already get an instant 2nd stage 2 proc stacking your 3 wtf are you talking about.
@@scalpingsnake they just fucked up her dmg potential for her 2
loner Good, because her stage 2 plant was the most cancer thing in her kit.
@@scalpingsnake I‘m talking about the second stage, the one that explodes in an AoE, does damage and slows. Those got removed which leaves her with only the third stage flower the one that chases you. But as I said in my first comment it is really not that hard to just dodge their damage. That is what I mean when I say that her damage from the 2 is less realiable after the rework.
Persephone became my favorite god since she was released, she has a unique and fun kit and I understand she's annoying to play against, but this is too much... Not like this.
So if that’s how they rework her, imagine how they might tackle Yemoja
Oh god I main them both.
please tell me they’re not reworking Yemoja🙁
@@jaelenartsacademy6697 oh they’re not, my comment was worded weirdly. But I’m just saying if they do rework her, imagine the outcome.
she needs a change tbh, they kept nerfing her cause the way she uses mana
@@ron8162 ngl I had found myself outlasting enemy mages as Yemo mid since I don't have to worry about mana
I’ll be honest I think she went from being extremely good in the right hands to being mediocre at best in the best of hands. I don’t enjoy the fact that her 1 stops in the first god hit especially with how necessary early lane pressure is you best believe I’ll walk into the wave to stop her from clearing at level 1/2 so I can basically guarantee me (solo depending on the god) and/or my jungler the first set of mids and possibly the second set of mids for around 80ish health.
genuinely angry about the complete removal of sprout.
So Pers. gets a nerf while Scylla remains one of the strongest, right behind Eset for being the highest burst damage god in the game. Priorities, Hi-Rez??? 🤡🤡🤡
Everyone says it's a nerf but we dont know her new damage numbers yet. Pon said they were gonna change her damage numbers to match the new kit
@@aggil661 true, this rework could very well make her stronger in other aspects
If you complaining about scylla and eset burst you need to play against them more and learn. While scyllas high dmg comes from her being a nuker (which is how shes supposed to be) eset needs aegis to avoid her kit or just play around the stun ball
I hate her, and still I think this was a bad call. It was a unique god that seems to be toned down a lot and maybe not even simplified for beginners
All they had to do was stop her coming back after death and remove the unlimited range from her ult. Maybe tweak the distance of bone rush and make the cripple for her ult smaller but that would have been balanced and maintained the depth of her kit.
This is B.S. Tiamat, Izanami, Gilgamesh exist, but Persophone was too strong.
Izanami is shit lmao why is she in the list with two broken gods
perse is op, in late game she makes so much either you know how to use her or not, she is banned almost in every game on plat/diamond (at least in my games)
Theve been wanting to rework her since last season im pretty sure because her most players struggle to play her.
@@grimeychaos53 it's not the struggle that is the issue. It's more of the double edge sword of the kit itself. While it rewards player who play smart with the plants, it also rewards bad plays. In which occurs more times than the positive. You should be never be rewarded for sucking, but her kit rewards you for it regardless of bad placement or missing shots.
@@mrwordwide100 Are you talking about joust? Because shes not picked or banned in rk conq. Shes only so strong in joust because of how small the lane is giving less room and time to potentially dodge a cluster of plants
it was so fun to learn her kit 🥲 great
I do not like this news, I liked how unique her playstyle was
Yup, i hate the mentality of "every god should be easy and simple for everyone". Makes the game boring
@@sirseedott4436 true
@@sirseedott4436 Unfortunately it's that people hate going up against her to.
Playing against Persephone is boring tho
@@yatoyaboku4296 in your opinion, tbh I love playing with her, she has a lot to do, different from others gods that u just make sure u hit 3 skills to kill your opponent...
If you were going to gut her this bad at that point design a new kit. You won't fix the low play rate with this because now noone will want to play her and you just drive the people who like her away. A shame to see one of the coolest kits in the game hit like this.
Sound like you just trashed the whole character ='(
Just figured her out too...
I feel like this is gonna backfire like the basket rework and it's ether gonna make her op then she gets the hammer then morechanges
For the passive: i believe they said uts a set amount of seeds (6?) And your death timer goes as you are in the state. You can cancel it with right click when you are done and just wait till respawn too.
I actually played a couple of games with her yesterday and was able to figure out how to play her effectively in a few matches before hearing about the rework. The issue isn't that she was too hard, yes she was hard but that's because of unique mechanics. They oversimplified her because people weren't willing to spend a few matches to put in the work to learn her which is real sad
it's more on the issue of the kit being a double edged sword as it rewards bad plays. You should never be rewarded for sucking at her due to missing your shots or placing your seeds terribly. However Her kit compensates to make it up and it occurs more times than smart plays.
How to completely trash a character so that she's never played ever again 😀
And people act like she's super broken no one really picks her cas and no one really picks her on pro league but somehow she's the most op god and super broken lol
Good tbh
@@kinggoon565 Persephone is an objectively top tier god that can literally hard carry a team to victory right at the moment she turns level 5, issue is that the 1% of the player base, heck, I'd say only pro players are able to use her at 100%, this rework is only good news, cause if you only nerf her then it's gonna impact pro play significantly, and while that's happening, casual play already doesn't play persephone, and when they do, they lose most of the time. So the only solution is a rework.
@@pietroportone6324 I get why they are reworking her and I like the rework but I think its all for the wrong reason her passive isn't that good her ones her best ability after that and her ult her kits completely worthless her movement ability jumps two feet its slow and very predictable her flowers ehhh if you use them right but all in all I think there's way better gods they could rework actually overpowered gods that are overpowered on all levels of play an not mess with gods like pers that are not even op (except I guess on pro league) which no one picked or even banned for pro league so I dont know how it would mess up there play but I got her to max rank and outta all the gods I mastered she definitely wasn't 10 top for being broken like you said hard to master takes alot for her to setup and one of the easiest gods to punish with high reward but requires almost triple the attention where as other gods I can smoke dabs not even be looking at the screen just shooting abilitys getting double kills
Hey remember Freya's rework? It was so bad they had to completely change it back? Ye.... Good times
So she basically has no passive. It would have been viable if she could at least see players to communicate to her team.
I don't play her and honestly think she is a well made god atm but even i can see this will make her terrible. No exploding plants for confirmed damage and now the flowers dont follow people. Even if the 3 damages people now you don't want your big damage to be on your escape. All they really had to do was get rid of her passive and rework her ult and reduce the damage of the 2 but lower the damage reduction for hitting it multiple times.
I'm diamond with perse idk if that would matter now since what I mastered was her old kit. The best thing about her kit is the pre-germinated skull, gonna miss my exploding garden :(
That was me with Bastet and her rework. I was a diamond and after rework I haven't been nearly as good. It's a diamond that means nothing. And boy do I miss backdooring Titans with her old ult.
I wish they had kept the 1 the same, except make the skull plant at the first god hit.
I liked the unique firing mode of the 1.
Is @dukesloth staring at his hands?
I can see her play rate dropping even more after the rework... her flowers sound like their going to be a cake walk to side step and it seems they're just making it so even brand new players can pick her up and do well
Calling this a rework is a bit generous. I don't play her but this seems like a hard nerf to me
My main gripe is the plants not chasing anymore, 99% of the time, the plants will be easily dodged or whiff, you're not really controlling the battleground anymore with making the enemy think where to dodge and get them out of position, now it's just dodge left or right. Not all simple gods are easy to learn (I still whiff Gil kick a lot) but it definitely feels better to play a control type character then just line and X AOE ability characters.
On topic: I think old pers wasn't that bad when you learned the counterplay, however I thought the stage 2 plants locking down an entire area of the lane you can't walk in to be frustrating and unfun, so I'm happy about the stage 2 bomb removal.
Everything else is eh
Off topic: Mr.Sloth I have a humble request for you, you're a voice in the community and my friends and I have come up with a name to call gilgamesh we think fits him pretty well, could you please help normalize giga sex? Thank you kind sir for your time.
He is now gigasex and will forever be gigasex
I need to see it in game I'm confused about a lot of it. Sounds cool tho.
Why tf would they change one of the most unique gods in the game and turn her into another generic mage, I think everyone would rather see her get nerfed until she is balanced in top tier, even if she is garbage in low ones than to see her get destroyed like this
Because she was dummy unfun to play against, was never picked in casuals and banned regularly in high ranks
@@Jormyyy then nerf her, not just freaking kill her concept and the only reason she is even picked outside of high ranks
@@absoluteradiance3254 her identity of being able to plant a garden of seeds and command plants is still intact though?
There's only so much nerfing numbers can do when the character has a high frustration factor and low counterplay.
@@Jormyyy her identitu of being a hard and complex goddes with hard to connect damage but a lot of potential if you hit it is completely destroyed. I dont care about the passive, the one or the ult, but they just destroyed her 2, she is now your boring 1,2,3,4, mage, istead of the comboing abilities in the right order one. Not to mention that her new plants are weird, if they dint track and just go in a straight line they will be super easy to avoid, and since she doesnt have the t2 sprout, she doesnt have any way to confirm damage, so you rely basicly on your 1, your 2 explosion and the 3 that now deals damage. They basicly reduced all the complexity her kit had and turned her into a traditional mage
Terrible changes. Explained perfectly at the end by Dukesloth. Having a unique and skillful kit is OK in Smite. not every god is meant to be played by everyone. Janus has existed this way for years. Same with serqet, yemoja, King Arthur, etc. It is perfectly fine to have a god that is close to inaccessible if you are new to Smite but flourishes at the top end; it encourages players to play that God more and learn her. These changes are awful and I believe to be a bad indicator for the direction HiRez wants to take Smite in.
maybe a passive where, when she dies she can revive and bloom from a seed she leaves on the map?
She has some potental to be really good at titan defense. Get a lot of seeds at titan ult then send all plants at enemies.
The plants don’t lock on anymore, that’s why I don’t know if she’ll be good anymore.
@@Anirudhji2001 I mean I understand that but like the flowers are the easiest thing to dodge. I honestly hate when my flowers level up to that rank because usually they don’t do anything.
@@jarrettgillmore467 in team fights, you will DEFINITELY land the damage of the flowers because people won’t be focusing on them.
@@Anirudhji2001 I mean not really tbh. You just have to be conscious of your surroundings and it’s easy to dodge. Just literally walk towards them and you dodge them every time. From what I’ve seen, her plants seem a lot stronger than they were. And they actually take skill to use correctly
@@jarrettgillmore467 well moving in a direction avoid the plants means that you’re moving in a predictable direction, which means that some other enemy god gets free damage onto you. Forcing you to move in a particular direction is just as strong as a root.
So she's an a Ah Puch with a leap
Pretty much zzzz
That's still makes her better than Ah Puch 😂
@@jas3946 true true xD
@@jas3946 its very hard now to trade with ah puch
Still have the same problems as zeus but he is really good against some particular meta godb now
This rework sounds incredibly unfun. Hope it plays better than it sounds
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It sounds like hi rez tryna do as much as possible to grow it’s casual player base
Im playing devils advocate here reading through the comments I feel that as a community we think though this rework strips persephone from the cool headed calculated play-style that made me feel like a cold bad bitch, but we as a community embrace change with a negative lens, so let me run through what could be fun about this new kit.
Her new passive makes her a walking ward... it weakens her in general and is a bad change. I cant defend this change.
Her one I saved towards the end because it is a boring ability rework. however, by removing her extra length on her one hi-rez simplifies her new kit into a medium range active strategist. I think there was a better way to do this, but a more complex ability might be a detriment with how her new flowers work.
Her two has potential. Before y'all get on me for my opinion, I know, this ability is what made the character special. The combination of micromanaging these plants with plotting the demise of my opponents was very fun. taking this ability away from her is the most impactful change. For one, it always gave her her something to do, even with her irresponsive play style. Instead we get a damaging AOE. Thats where a-lot of us dont like the change, but the new way the plants works will be interesting. the new plants that at their core becomes a swarm of line abilities with redirection. Instead of micromanaging a semi-static garden the player will micromanage an oppressive sweeping wave of plant powered destruction. This may end up being more fun than before. For lower-end players they have an ability that is responsive and has a potential for bonus damage, On the other end of the spectrum, intermediate to high end players now are presented with a new gameplay puzzle. They have to worry about their own positioning to maximize plants and track their plants bite rates. There is totally going to be a clip where a pro player or whatever, leads Persephone's army into a triple kill or whatever. Everybody will pop off and we get thumbnails, like "NEw PErSePhOnE BuSTeD". The only problem I see is the distance in which the new two spawns the skulls apart from each-other, if they are two far apart then persephone will have to use flourish.
Speaking of which, I think we can all agree that the rework to flourish is a wonderful cherry on top. I like this change. In complete biased honesty they could've had this be the only change and it would accomplish the goal of adding responsiveness to her kit.
Her ult change is healthy and removes frustration in a good way. it is still a strong and fun ability.
So we all know what persephone was, we'll miss her, but new persephone might have an interesting gameplay loop that isn't just, "ah puch 2 electric boogaloo". you have a responsive medium range kit. which allows you to accomplish things in lane easier than before. However, with the ability to lay down skulls. when you want to engage, you activate the built up swarm of skulls and murder somebody with a legion of minions. when you hit level five, you have an ult to set up the sweeping undead army. Is it persephone? No, but the new kit sounds pretty cool to me.
excuse any grammatical issues monke brain decided to write this with the fury and imagination of a child.
They took the complexity of her kit entirely and made her generic. The relationship between her plants, autos and jump was a big part of why she was fun to play. I don't know why I didn't see this one coming, so far every rework has been getting worse and worse (Odin being the only exception).
Cancer to play against is the main reason
@@dakodaarmstrong5 only if you are a silver scrub lmao
@@elgordonmexicano8096 Diamond and still cancer to play against
@@elgordonmexicano8096 ???? She's has one of the lowest win rates in silver, it's the upper levels that hate her.
I think it seems like a decent change. I have only played Persephone when she was released and she seemed too much of a micro-managing type of god for my tastes. I do understand that some people like her design as is but a little less complexity will open her up to new players not just top-tier competitive players. I will say that her Death Passive was very interesting and will kind of miss her being able to stay on the offense while downed, to me it wasn't too bad and in fact in some games the person actually forgot they could do stuff while downed.
this the dumbest bunch of changes i could have imagined she gonna be clunkier die more and do less damage overall she isn't gonna be worth anything without athena or kumba
This rework is such a yikes
I feel like they are Aatroxing her
But seeing how everyone is sad is kinda weird. A decent chunk of Loki mains felt the same but everyone was just laughing at them.
Loki is infamous for having a kit you have no time to react and making solo boring and unfair to fight against.
She sounds worse. Harder to confirm damage on the 2 because the up front damage has a windup where it didn’t before because you could auto and then place the seed at maximum range to detonate it immediately if you had jumped. It appears they made her easier to play, but I think she’ll be worse at all levels of play unless her damage numbers are bloated
Rip Persephone rework kit looks so boring
If you dash on your ult cage the ult should grow flowers on the cage visually be all pretty pretty, and then after 0.5 seconds Venus fly trap any cage traped enemy and execute them.
I literally just picked her up too :')
man they made her so ez its crazy she was sik cuz not everyone understood how she worked now shes gonna be good but and ez counter
Easier to counter is the whole point, her current kit has almost no counterplay
She now has a passive similar to some one from heros of the storm
I understand what they wanted to do with her passive, but it's really bad. Just being able to place plants doesn't really provide her benefits, because you want to avoid dying in the first place. So basically she just gets extra gold spooling, but from the sound of things, she probably won't be placing and detonating nearly as many plants as she used to.
They should make it something like after detonating so many plants, you get a bonus on your abilities. Lower cooldown, reduced mana cost, extra damage, slow, all easy to implement ideas.
The want to stick to the lord as much as possible and that includes the revival after death. IMO if they want to do that, they should basically make it that her passive allows her to only deal damage to minions, so then she can still get xp and gold from a wave after dying.
I like her the way she is
they made her budget ah push or however u spell it
I'm glad she's getting reworked but for the unpopular reason of "I often don't feel like I'm doing much more than player farm simulator". Maybe it's just me but she requires so much set up to truly get the damage you want to see whereas other mages just throw out their abilities. Her flowers are also pretty easy to avoid most of the time. The ult is legitimately fry's at times but a Hunter with decent attack speed can help. Like, I feel she's overestimated personally and feels too convoluted to REALLY play her.
She's not convoluted, you need to know when to use your flowers to avoid juking.
She's not convoluted, she's just not a character for everyone. Needed a bit more practice and strategy than other characters to be played effectively
She’s overestimated a little bit but she’s still a strong god when played by a competent player. Also stage 3 plants are irrelevant, it’s her stage 2 plants that are one of her main sources of damage. Especially with the instant stage 2 plant proc from her 3 which lets you poke someone at range with very little time to react to.
I was wondering, will she be able to ward while in her death state. And can she see enemies that are on wards while she is dead.
The flowers need buffs if they are to fully replace the landmine bulbs. I think they should have a weak circular AOE attack for enemies that get to close (or proceed upon changing from skull to flower). Then they can chase. My reasoning is that the flowers are easy to dodge for experienced players in the right situations.
Yeah, you need to be really careful on when to use a flower against a good juker, now that they are removing the bulb, she lost her best form of damage confirmantion, her leap is probably going to do baby damage.
Yeah they should combine the two into one plant.
Her 2 is an aoe explosion now anyway. We have to see what the moving plants are like before we request changes like yours.
I wonder how it'll end up, I've never been a fan of reworks but we'll see if it goes well. Wish they made an adventure with all old god kits that got reworked.
her passive: fine with it, I would like it so that people can't see persephone and her plants while she is in her death timer, persephone could use some planting time to spy on people for example (hey team they are gathering up for fg or something like that)
her 1: I liked the cache aim, so I don't like this change however, with her 2 getting aoe damage and her 3 having some aoe I can see why they do it. But yes, I will miss unique aim here :(
her 2: GUTTED!!! Seriously, I don't like this. The ability to save plants and micromanage them around your needs was the core for her. Oh you want sustain, I got you, but now you barely have anything to plant. Oh you want to have a mega chase scene with your plants, fine, but you might want that explosion because nem is about to ram her sword up your rear. You had to choose and make sacrifices on how to deploy your plants. Now...its a nox 2 or a cherno 1 with a twist on it. Worse, if you want sustain now not only are you losing a plant you are also losing damage and using a cooldown now for that sustain. I do like the way the plants chase sure as the poke before felt odd to place a plant on the opposite of lane and have them chase a person no matter what here.
her 3: fine, but with her 2 going down the toilet it suffers
her 4: the change I am most fine with, I thought they were going to rip this a new one honestly
It sounds like you'll be better off spreading the plants out and when you activate them they will all run straight which will arguably be more annoying imo depending on how much damage they can do because I feel like before they were easy to avoid but if they just cover the entire lane that's annoying lol I know you think this will be a nerf in a lot of ways but honestly I preferred her before as I think this kit is going to be more frustrating. Imagine 6 flowers spread out running down lane and the only way to avoid them would be run directly away because juking will just put you into another flowers path. However it says they bite at intervals so I imagine as they run its just munch munch munch so maybe easier to time pushing forward but idk. I think she is going to be really strong when this releases and the passive I'm sure will still have death timer going cause it would make 0 sense not to do so
Guys did you know that the towers are immune?
I honestly think this rework will fail to make Persephone feel less frustrating but will greatly improve her balance. The frustrating part of Persephone still remains which is the lack of counter play. Persephone still can great a massive amount of latent damage on the board without any way of stopping it. Other gods that can place down setup damage such as aupuch or vulcan's turret can be destroyed allowing people to prevent the damage with proper play.
Lets be real with ah puch no one usually ever destroys his minions because hes not a setup character he instantly explodes them for the most part. So I really don't think hes a good comparison for persephone but just my opinion
This is my opinion. Their goals were to make Persephone more easier to play for lower level players and is someone who is a lower level pay who definitely struggles with Persephone these changes are going to make it harder for me to play her not easier. Especially considering that I preferred the bomb plants over the fully grown plants as for some reason even though they locked on the enemies always seem to be able to dodge those plans at least with the explosions I could guarantee damage.
I literally just started playing her two days ago😭🤚🏻
Passive rework - super good change.
Why didn’t they change that ult. It ruined her playability with how powerful it was. Full rework to that would have been amazing. Something like Zyra from league or even fey from paragon they could’ve kept the artwork with that one.
As disappointing as it is that they are removing her deepness and mechanics. Shes actually probably going to be alot easier to balance for hirez. But persephone was already being played a lot less this season. Scylla and other or simple mages just do what she does while also being alot easier. Persephone had a role in being a deep God with mechanics as well as very rewarding to play. But now that's gone and shes just gonna become another cookie cutter mage which sucks.
Goodbye Diamond Persephone.
the flowers were so easy to dodge.... and they just dont even have to dodge anymore. im sad :(
good persephone players utilize the stage 2
Yes the way to dodge the flowers before was just walking towards them and they would miss. Now u can just side step them. And they said you could utilize them to cut ppls paths off but like I said before walking into them makes them miss so it wont stop anyone from coming after you regardless
Oof this is rought. I main Pers, and I honestly think she's perfectly fine :(
I feel like they gonna sum wit her plants like set sand minions
Why not just have a blast if the plants going to be so linear? Shes going to suck. Her ult is alot like Nox, where its not easy to hit the ult but its a huge payoff if you do. Time to main a new mage.